Two for the Culture
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Two for the Culture
Flights, Paying for Sex, and Being Self-Righteous
We race through a Dallas weekend into a candid talk on nightlife, money, and what makes a place feel like home, then pivot hard into intimacy, authenticity, and faith. We check our own blind spots, debate what “paying for it” really means, and sit with a family health scare that reframes it all.
• Dallas as a mature vibe vs Atlanta’s energy
• Andretti’s go-karts, brunch culture, and big Texas scale
• Travel ease, DC diversity, and planning future trips
• Family update on an 11-year-old nephew’s sudden paralysis
• Paying for sex vs courting: authenticity, risk, and intent
• Strip clubs, performance, and the cost vs price debate
• “You’re paying for it anyway” tested and challenged
• Self-righteousness, standards, and being honest about motives
• Spiritual vs religious frames and commitment to community
• Holding convictions without policing other people
And we are back with another episode of Two for the Culture.
SPEAKER_01:Uh Stephen Ray, uh, I can't really hear. Can you hear me? Uh oh yeah, I can hear you. Yeah, I can hear you. Okay, all right. Whatever.
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SPEAKER_01:Uh, it was good. Uh, I went to Dallas. Um, you know, it was dope. Have you ever been to Andretti's? I don't even know what that is. Bruh, it's like this this um this go-kart thing, but it's like I I I had a subscription for K1. Not a subscription, but you know what K1 is? Uh I know it's a racing thing. Uh I think. Yeah, it's also a really talented music artist, too. She's got a great thing.
SPEAKER_05:But I know that's not what you were saying.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. But um, yeah, no, it's kind of like it's kind of like Mario Kart. Yeah. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's really fun. That shit was fun as hell.
SPEAKER_05:So you can rant run into people.
SPEAKER_01:You're not supposed to. Oh, okay. But like you're going so fast that you you can, and people were spinning out. I spun out once. I made like two people spin out. Okay. Yeah. And then at the end, I know I man, I know I passed up so many people, because it I'm thinking like like like uh uh uh uh uh the person that was in front of me. As soon as I passed them, I was like, all right, when I passed them again, I know I won the race.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, so this was Andretti's, but you were just referring to K1 as a reference. Reference. Okay, good. Right.
SPEAKER_01:So Andretti's, I believe, is the uh the actual um name of the franchise.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_05:So how how big is it? Is it like it's like um like a quarter mile lap, or is it like very like it's probably levels? Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. It's like two levels. Okay. So you kind of like go up and then go down a bunch of swirls and shit.
SPEAKER_05:How many minutes do you think it takes you to get to the first lap? Oh if you were guessing. Maybe two. Two two minutes? Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, one to two minutes. Which is like how many people are racing at one time? Maybe like one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, seven. Maybe twelve.
SPEAKER_05:Twelve people at one time? Oh, that's a good amount. How much were the tickets? It was fifty. That's a lot. Oh god.
SPEAKER_01:No, no, no, fifty for two people. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, so that's that's cool then. Yeah, that's cool. Okay, yeah. I was thinking that too. I'm like, 50 for was it really worth it? Yeah. Nah, nah, nah, nah. It was definitely, it was definitely worth it. That shit was cool as hell. So I definitely recommend. If I I don't know if Dallas is the only place that they have this, but um Andretti's is definitely fun for sure. No, I'm spinning niggas out for real.
SPEAKER_05:But you never checked out the night scene in Dallas. I didn't check out the night scene. Were you curious about it or not really?
SPEAKER_01:Not really. Okay. I don't know. I think like Atlanta played me out. What you mean? Just like I feel like for the most part, black people do one thing. And it's like like in terms of like a main, like a staple. A staple for going out on the weekend. I could be wrong, but from what I've seen, is like the staple for going out for black people usually is place you pay to get in, hookah, the the um, I don't know, this shit loud as fuck. We all in here, it's crowded. It's like the same thing everywhere. So like I don't usually chase that, and I feel like that goes into the nightlife scene. So I'd rather do other things, like go-karts.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, no, I understand. That's like, you know, in Nashville, you like, you know, Broadway super commercial. And it's still you like, hey, I did it just to do it that day, but you know, I know it's not for me. It's just checking the scene, the vibe. Yeah, and it's a good indicator of I like to see how the local people look in a sense.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you know, um, like I said, being out there in Dallas, uh, or when we talk like off podcast, but um I love seeing the people there. Even though like I wasn't like too much in the city, you could tell who's here. Okay. And I could see myself there. That shit got me written all over it. Yeah, I love that. I love that. Like Atlanta was cool. Um Atlanta radio is top tier, first of all. But um Dallas just seems like an older cousin who got the stuff together.
SPEAKER_05:You don't feel that? I would I feel like um Atlanta is a Mecca for black people.
SPEAKER_01:No, absolutely. So that's the truth, yeah. It's Wakanda. So yeah. But I'm saying, like, it's a whole bunch of like I mean it's it's it's it's a balance there, but Dallas just seems like I don't know. I I feel like Dallas seems like it's more so my vibe than Atlanta is.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, and um, I haven't been to Dallas, so I can't really disagree. Um, I would love to go next time if you go again. Um definitely going back. Yeah, yeah. So we gotta plan something out. Okay. Yeah, to make sense. Um, but uh, where is I going with this? But uh yeah, Atlanta and places like Memphis to where it's like when I step outside, it's majority black. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So I I don't know if Dallas fits that same mold.
SPEAKER_01:I'm sure that it does in certain areas. Um, but you know, Dallas is like known for like the sports, the football, and all this. So you're gonna get a different uh uh um the a crowd of people who's not just black. Okay, I got you. But there, I mean, Dallas does seem to me like it's depending on where you go, it's very black as well. Like when I went out, I was on the outskirts and they had these brunch spots. I guess brunch is like a super big thing. Um, you know, like here um uh if you go to somewhere, it's usually like the same menu all the time. Um it's kind of like New York out here. It's like it doesn't really sleep in some areas, but in Dallas it seems like things are structured for certain days. So like Sundays or I mean Saturdays are like this is the menu for Saturdays, and everybody comes on Saturday mornings. It's very like you know, like um every day is is probably something different. I don't know, they have a different type of uh cadence to how they uh enjoy themselves. I got you. But uh no, I I I I really liked it out there. Like I went out there, I could tell. Like I was just at a coffee shop and I was like, I could live here.
SPEAKER_05:But coffee shops is your thing. Yeah, but it's just like the people. But I'm just saying, what about the coffee shop that you loved?
SPEAKER_01:Um well again, like coffee shop. I love coffee shops in general, but it it's just like the people, the people there. It just seemed like it's very aligned with me, like who I am. You know what I'm saying? Atlanta seemed like a younger type of vibe, even if there were older people there, it just seemed like the vibe is just younger. But like Dallas seems like a little bit more like mature? A little bit, a little bit more.
SPEAKER_05:Okay. Uh yeah, I I'm just trying to get more specific on what you mean by that. Yeah, I don't think I'm quite asking the right question. No, I think that that's like what do you say?
SPEAKER_01:What do I meant by like older cousin, like who got their stuff together? Yeah, but it's more mature.
SPEAKER_05:I'm just saying, what did you see to make you come to that realization?
SPEAKER_00:Uh, just the people.
SPEAKER_05:Like, uh, did you see like damn everybody 40? You know what I mean? Like, no, no, no, no, no. Even if they're my age, it's just like a certain type of dress. Cause I mean, like, I feel like Atlanta is like update to where they're really dressed nice.
SPEAKER_00:They do.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, so I that's what I'm saying. I don't but you lived in Atlanta and not in Dallas, so you have a different view of how things go. Because the times I go to Atlanta, it's very, you know, like it could be classist in a way. Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah. So I I the way that you're describing gives me that same type of feeling.
SPEAKER_01:Honestly, it's just like it's just like a little bit less Y N energy.
SPEAKER_05:Okay. Okay, so that's just that's just because you lived in Atlanta. And yeah, because if you was visiting Atlanta, I don't I don't get Y N energy. Uh yeah. But I've never lived there. I've visited a million times. So yeah, yeah. I can see that. I can see that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it gives a little bit again, you know, it's that's everywhere. And I'm from Memphis, so like that was like overdoing it. Yeah, right. But um, yeah, it's just like a little bit less. It's a little bit less. Okay. I feel like it's still black. Again, I only went once. But I could tell it's like a black city. Uh again, it's it's it's it's it's a pool of people uh because of how big the and again like a football scene is just really big. Like, you know, you go everywhere you see um it's the things that have to do with football because you know the Dallas Cowboys, and it's Texas too. And it's everything's bigger. Oh my god. The the um I don't know if I went to the mall, but I just went to some places and like the buildings are mass, like it's just too much. This is like I don't know, like wherever you would go, just picture just times three. Like, why is this Starbucks? Why y'all got five bathrooms? You don't need five bathrooms.
SPEAKER_05:Oh wow.
SPEAKER_01:Well, that was over exaggerated. Okay, but I'm just saying, like, that's what it feels like. The buildings are just massive of things that here it would be like maybe three times smaller. It was just very like compact, I guess.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, and Dallas is very much oil money. Yeah, it looked like it. Yeah, yeah. So it's it's very it could be like how I imagine it is how Dubai there, you know, now they've I don't know if they have much oil at all, but like that's how it was built. And and so Texas is very rich in oil, and actually California is too, but um, there's just a lot of money that comes through that. And um, there's people that's probably billionaires that you wouldn't even know. And yeah, um, and because even the high schools, they have like they have like Chick-fil-A's in them. What? Like something crazy, like they got like fast food in Dallas? In high in Texas high school. It's it's ridiculous. Wow, I wow, okay. Yeah, it's absolutely different brands. Yeah, it's like going to college, like it's community colleges for and probably more more funding. It's it's ridiculous. Um, yeah, because they have like athletic directors at high schools. And like who overprogram, you don't have an athletic. I'm sure you didn't have an athletic director in Memphis City, Shepley kind of schools. Uh I know we didn't director. That's like uh a person appointed to over the sports, over sports for that high school. So it's yeah, I don't think. No, you just had a basketball, yeah, yeah. That's what the yeah, yeah, the the principal hired, the basketball coach. You know what I mean? That's what it sounded like to me. Yeah, yeah, but no, the athletic director is specifically over all sports. And but nonetheless, that's not a thing here in Tennessee. Uh or unless it's a private, you know, a private school or something like maybe in Wilson County, but I've never heard of an athletic director in um Tennessee public schools. But no, it sounded like a really great time. Yeah, because how how long was you there for? Uh two days. Okay, so that wasn't long at all. No, not at all.
SPEAKER_01:Did it feel really quick? Yeah, it did. Like when I left, I felt like I just got on off the plane. Okay. So, but I did love is is oh my god, I'm so used to doing like four and five hour flights. Anything that deals with a plane is just like a whole thing for me. And this time it was just like an hour. I was on the plane. And you know, like an hour on a plane is not really, it doesn't feel like an hour. If well, it was an hour like 25 minutes. Right. But on a plane, it's the going up, which is like what good 20 minutes or whatever. And then it's the going down, which is like good 20, 30 minutes. So like, you know, they we're descending to Dallas. And which means like the mid the middle of it is what like 30, 30 minutes, 30, 40 minutes. So it just went by very quickly. I got you. And that was so fire. Like, I oh my god, like you have to really figure out what you're gonna do this whole flight every time that I um came from Los Angeles to Nashville to to see Kaya. So that shit was just too much. You know, I kind of I kind of associated uh uh uh flights with that. So just being on a flight in that ho is just an hour and it's it's right there. I'm definitely going back. Like that shit is but it's probably like it's probably like that everywhere on this side of the US, you know, damn near. Just like I how how long was it to get to DC when you went?
SPEAKER_05:Probably a little maybe an hour or so. That's that's crazy. Yeah, yeah. I'm I'm wanting to go to DC again because DC was very diverse. Um I like that diversity, diverse of people that was there. Um it was yeah, so I really want to see it for real. Um so it was fine. And I and the brunch, the brunch I had, I have to find where that brunch spot was. But like when I it was like an all-you-can-eat brunch, and everything on the menu was fire. So good. Yeah. Okay. Like like yeah, like salmon, eggs, you know, pancakes, bacon, like everything. It was just like one set, and it was all you can drink memosas, too. So it was it was lit, it was a good time. Um, so I really want to see the city again. Yeah. Um, so I'm I'm want to take one of those ships. And then I want to see my nephew uh more importantly, and I think that's a good way to um because I don't know if you know that my my nephew's kind of wheelchair bound. Oh, yeah, yeah. So it's just one of those things that like just you know, they I don't I have to talk to my sister or my mom about it more, but um to my understanding, they don't know the reason why it's causing, but he's unable to walk, and he has been there for a while. Nobody knows why. There's not even a reason.
SPEAKER_01:I'll be mad. Uh if you were my nephew. Yeah, there's not even a reason. Yeah. I'm just not walking.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Damn. Yeah, I know, right? Like it wasn't just like you wake up one, it was essentially like, you know, he was uh like there's lesions on his brains. So there's yeah, so he and then he was kind of like just put in the hospital because he wasn't feeling well, kind of slurring his words. What age? He is 11. So he's he is 11 now. Yes. So what oh he was 11, 11. I mean, this was like a couple of months ago, type of thing. He just got wheelchair bound. I mean, a couple of months ago, yeah. What the fuck?
SPEAKER_01:So he just woke up, words were slurring. I mean, he he was walking, but he needed help. Like But he was walking before then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He ran track.
SPEAKER_05:So he ran track and he just woke up one day, slurred his words, and now he's he wasn't feeling well, and then then it became more progressive until he got to the hospital. That's man, we're and then he woke he woke up out of the hospital not being able to walk.
SPEAKER_01:That's crazy. Crazy. We're so blessed. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Like, but anything could just be gone, bro. Exactly.
SPEAKER_05:I appreciate you, God. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. And so now that the doctors have no idea, so it's like this may be where he's at. Yeah, yeah. I'm I pray for him every day, pray for a miracle, ask the church for a prayer for him. Yeah, a audience out there, pray for him, Carlos. Yeah, uh be careful with the hands. Oh, thank you. Yeah, it's wobbling the thing. Yep, yeah, I appreciate that. So um, so that's the thing, but no, I I haven't seen him since it's happened, so I do want to do that. So that's probably uh DC one. And you're more than welcome to come too if you want. But yeah, DC would be fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But um, so I'm gonna probably get a hotel there or Airbnb and then Dallas. That's been on my list too. So, how you want to start off? You want to start off a little fun, or do you want to start off with like this the relationship? Like they're both kind of relationship-ish, but one is like more silly than the other ones. So let's let's go um all the way. Yeah, whatever. Okay, I choose, yeah, just 100%. Okay, would you ever pay for cooch? No. Okay, why not? I don't think so. Why not?
SPEAKER_01:Um it just seems like if I were if if I were to pay for um if I were to pay for sex, basically, it seems whack. I don't know. It seems like I have no game. It feels like and I told you before, like, you know, um, where I stay, they have a bar downstairs, right? So and then I was sitting there one day and a girl came up and then she said, um, hey, um, it was like a movie. It was it was just like a movie. I'm gonna try to sum this up real quick for the podcast anyway. But um the bar, it was it was damn near like two or three people at this bar, and it was very vacant on my side. And I sat down, and that day I chose to like dress up a little bit. Because you know, like you're you're in if the bar is downstairs, you have a choice to just like go down with shirt and shorts or just dress up, and that day I chose to dress up, sat down. Girl walks up right next to me, sits down right next to me. I'm like, hey, hey, blah say blah.
SPEAKER_05:One out of ten, what is she?
SPEAKER_00:You know, she was like she was like a 7.5.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, did she give uh prostitute vibes?
SPEAKER_01:No, okay, no, cute girl, um dressed nice, yep, sat down, and then um uh eventually she just said, Hey, so do you want to have fun? I was like, Yeah. You think you play Monopoly Upstairs? I got Jenga.
SPEAKER_05:Did she pull out a tic-tac-toe uh sheet of papers? Just my speed.
SPEAKER_01:Um, I'm sorry. She said, You know, did you want to have fun? And I was like, Yeah, but to me, I I I thought she was talking, because again, like what you're saying, would you would you ever pay for cooch? This is nowhere near something I would ever think about ever. So I'm not even I'm not even there. She said, Do you want to have fun? I'm thinking, like, oh, you want to go out, you want to see Nashville. You know, like, all right, you want to have fun, but you want me to pay for it. All right, and then I had gone out. You that's when I just moved here. So, like when I was at your career, I was going everywhere, right? Then I had to pay that rent, and I'm like, I'm gonna just stay in the house. And um uh uh uh uh yeah, and I thought that that's what she was saying, but she was actually talking about the other thing. And I was just like, Yeah, we can have fun, whatever. She said, Yeah, as long as you take care of me. And then I'm like, all right, cool. So I guess you want to go somewhere and me pay for it. Did you ask more questions like that? I no, I was just like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. After a second, she said it again. She said, Yeah, as long as you take care of me. I'm like, you don't gotta say it twice in my head. I'm like, you don't gotta say that twice. So I'm like, Yeah, what you mean? Like you want to go to I think she's about to name places she wants to go to let me know the price or something, you know, in her own way. Like, I want to go to the steakhouse and da da da. But she said, Yeah, you know, as long as you take care of me, and she did the little money sign. I'm like, what do you mean by that? And then she said, um, you know, just like, and then I realized everything in that moment. It was like, oh, you want me to pay for the for the oh I got you. I was like, oh, literally, like, this is in front of the girl. I'm like, I ain't never had this before. I'm like, oh right on her face. I'm like, oh, um, I was like, nah, I don't do that. She was like, you don't want to try it with me? She was really trying. I was like, nah, nah, that ain't my thing, or whatever. She was like, oh, okay. And I followed her, she followed me, and it was nothing but OnlyFans on her whole like page. And then right after that, dude, you could you you you could say we was friends for real. Because people that walked up, she was like, he's a trick. I was like, don't get the trick in there. Let's see, let's see if he is. And she did. And she was like, Hey, what are you guys doing today? There's a dude and a girl. They were like, no, we just seeing the town. She was like, Oh, that's I wanted to as well. Like, uh, you mind if I come with? It was like, sure, she left. She left right then and there. But um I just say that to say, you know, I I I don't I don't see myself paying for that. Yeah, I don't, I don't see it. Now I I I don't know. I don't know what I've done random things before in my life, so I don't want to just say like never, I'll never do it, and da da da. But it takes the fun out of everything, it takes the excitement. It's like, it's like if we go play basketball and right before we play, you pay to win, and then you won the game. Like, what's the point of playing? I got you. You you see what I'm saying? Yeah, it just takes it takes everything out of it.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, yeah. I think that's a a different analogy for it. Uh, but you did hear about the new Yeah, yeah, I yeah, I don't think that quite fit. I don't know if yeah. Yeah, but did you hear the news about Sweetie? Mm-mm. Okay, to where like a pretty much a madam, which was like a pretty much uh uh it's like a female pimp in a way, but it's like more um upscale. Uh but nonetheless, uh she's kind of out in Sweetie for being an escort, pretty much. Yeah, so that's how she now is that true? I have no idea, but that's essentially what's happened. Like, hey, you didn't pay me, you ran off with your um your client because you fell in love and he didn't and you told him not to pay me. I don't know how she would have known that that sweetie was the one, you know what I mean? Yeah, so you know, so I don't even know if that's true or not. But does things change at all if a a sweetie was on the table?
SPEAKER_01:Uh is the if I'm kind of confused about what you just said. Okay. She who paid for what? Who uh so a madam was outing sweetie. A madam was outing sweetie so sweetie is not the madam. So a madam was outing sweetie.
SPEAKER_05:Exactly. For not paying, paying um she owed money to uh to the madam. Sweetie did. And madam is the pimp. Exactly for one of her people under her. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. So sweetie's under her, um, and she's booking out clients for her to go on dates on slash have sex with. I don't know the details of that. But um, but uh from how the story is being told. Why would Sweetie pay for it? She's not paying for it. She's the escort.
SPEAKER_01:Sweetie is the escort. Exactly. Oh, oh, the okay, so the madam is the pimp of sweetie. Exactly. Oh. Okay, yeah. And she didn't pay her her percentage.
SPEAKER_05:I I don't know the exact details of the funding. Yeah, yeah, but that's what um alleged. So the madam's saying, Sweetie, you owe me money. And I tried to run that through you, you said no, so now I'm out on you.
SPEAKER_01:It's it's gonna be water under the bridge. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:But but yeah, I mean, yeah, whatever, however that worked. But what I'm saying is, now O'Girl wasn't uh as beautiful as Sweetie was. Yeah, facts. Okay, because you did Sweetie is top tier. Fine, yeah. Okay. She definitely so now if O'Girl had um was Sweetie fine and had the prices of what her price was, because she's not sweetie, so but she looked like her, had you know, regular, you know, average pricing, would that have changed anything for you? No, even if she still had her personality, like, hey, we're becoming friends.
SPEAKER_01:I got you. It takes a lot out of it. It's like, I don't know, it's like I'm chilling with this person that I paid time for. So you feel like a little bit of you laughing at this joke for real. Okay. Or is it because I just paid you?
SPEAKER_05:Have you been to the strip club before? Yes. It's not your thing.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. No, I went with um I went two, three times. It was in the same time frame and then once, not in that same time frame. But um yeah, you know, you walk in, it's just it's I don't know. It's like if I had an abundance of money to where it wouldn't matter, and like these girls could be my friends, versus like I'm going in here looking for ass and titties, basically. Yeah, if these were just like my friends and you know, they work in or whatever, I could see myself maybe being in environments like that because of that more than I want to go and see some girls and because when you walk everything, everything is fake to me. Like, hey daddy, um the you know, what you doing at the like rubbing on me and you just trying to get some money, you know.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, but what if you come into that knowing that? That's what I'm saying. I mean that I mean that's so I feel you keep in mind, I I we pretty much align very closely. I feel like you're on a different tier I am, but like if you're on S tier, I'm on A. Like Yeah, I'm uh in terms of like paying for cooch. But I mean, yeah, that's like if you go to a steakhouse, they ain't always they ain't nice because you know that's who they are in nature. They there's a customer service thing, so they're gonna be nice and polite most of the time. Yeah. So I get it. The explanation you're giving is like, yeah, what are they supposed to be like assholes?
SPEAKER_01:I get uh yeah, that's facts. That's that's a nice way to say that. But I I just don't like I don't like paying for something that's supposed to be natural. To me, it's supposed to be natural. Like if a girl likes me, it's supposed to be natural for me. I don't want you, I don't want to pay for like you to blink your eyes at me, you know what I mean? Or make me feel like you want me or whatever.
SPEAKER_05:So you think it's BS to where like how men used to say, and they probably still say this, you're paying it for it in some type of manner or something. Oh god.
SPEAKER_01:No, that's not BS. That's true. Okay, so you were talking about sweetie. I was like, I mean, we do pay for it in some types of.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, so I feel like now you're kind of um going against your point when you say that. Because I disagree with that when people say that.
SPEAKER_01:How?
SPEAKER_05:Um, okay.
SPEAKER_01:Um I don't okay, so I have it's more, it's more of a moral thing. Just like I don't want to pay, like if I had to pay for which is I'm over-exaggerating, but if I had to pay for this podcast for you to act like my friend, it's just not natural. It's not, it's weird to me. You know what I'm saying? So that's the same thing with a woman. You know, if I pay for this and then now we like vibe, and or if I go to a strip club and then I give you a couple ones or whatever, or hundreds, then you know, now you all on me and you saying these things that I like to hear, but it's fake because I just paid for it. But uh, but it but it's it's it's blatant, is what I'm saying. It's just outright transactional. It that, yeah, it's a hundred percent transactional. I do believe though, though, even though I feel like that, that we do pay for it in other ways. If I buy a girl a flight to come out here, she better give me some. Not better, but you know what I'm saying? Like, am I gonna inspect it? Yeah, yeah. I'm definitely gonna inspect it. If I see a pretty girl or whatever, and we hit it off, not even hit it off, this is before that stage. If I'm taking her out to these fancy dinners and you know, uh let's stop at fancy dinners. If if we go to like three or four fancy dinners and we get to know each other, we could have done it over the phone, but just because if if I'm thinking about what you're saying, those three or four fancy dinners, I did pay to like kind of get to know you in a way. I did, I did pay. For that. So like if we do move move to the next step, she could be like, Yeah, he's nice. He took me here, here, here, here, here. In a way, if you want to on paper, you can say as a devil's advocate, you can say I did pay for that in some type of form or manner. So that's what I'm saying. Like the the my difference is when it's so blatant, it's just like, all right, one, two, three, four, five, all right, cool. So we fucking like that. It's just like two, it's too blatant. So I need um I don't know, there there, there's this version of courting and all that, and it's a it's a very blurred line, but we do pay. We do pay for that. Okay, so some type of way.
SPEAKER_05:So if I'm going by your logic, then it makes more sense for me to pay for it. Because now it's it's not it's very you know exactly what you're getting. I don't have to skew by like, hey, maybe I'll get and have the fun, you know. Maybe because what if you pay for the flight and she doesn't like you this person y'all meet for the first time and she doesn't like you? So now you feel like hey, I paid for this whole thing and I didn't get what I wanted out of this. I wouldn't be like that though. Yeah, but I'm just saying, you you you even though you didn't you uh even though you didn't mean like you I bet her or whatever, that's the expectation. She's fine. Hopefully, I have sex with her. Obviously, like if I didn't pay for a flight to get to to uh see her, not just in person, I wanted some out, I want some cooch. Yeah, and that's essentially kind of what you just said. Like, hey, not this is not a guarantee, but it's damn near. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, that the the probability is high. Probability is high, yeah. So I mean, if I'm going by that logic, then I w might as well know that my probability is the highest. Like, there's no there's no fun and games. Definitely if that's what I want. So that's but that's why I disagree with like you're paying for it to a certain degree, is like yeah, but um if I actually I like you, like is the reason why I'm paying for it. I'm not paying for it because I just want this thing. I like you, and I want to, and we want I want to have fun with you, is the reason why I pay for the date or whatever. Yeah, it's not just to get cooch. Now that comes with it, you know.
SPEAKER_00:That's a say that's another way of saying it.
SPEAKER_05:But at the end of the day, not really because I'm gonna spend money to further a the relationship. Yeah, yeah, and having a good time together and getting to know one another. That don't mean I'm out having sex with them. And that that's not always my goal. And that's majority of the time, that's not really my goal. Right. It's not I'm not paying for the date because I want some cooch. I'm not saying that.
SPEAKER_01:I'm just saying on paper, on paper, Justin paid for this, this, this, this, and this, and at the end of the night, this happened in some form of way of you looking at that entire situation, you did pay for it. In some form. I'm just saying, like, I'm not saying in every every aspect, every instance, I'm not a guy who just like goes out on dinners with women just to, you know, do that with them. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying there are different ways to look at every single situation. So if I if you were to fly a girl out just to know her and she happens to give you some, you could say that, like, no, I didn't do that for that. I just wanted to get to know her, and da-da-da. But on paper, somebody could say, you just pay for this and this and this, and then you got that. Results are here.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, but I'm not on the internet enough. So the my mentality is like the whole flight thing. It's like I'm not on the internet enough to meet somebody online like that, like from a different state. That got nothing to do with what I'm saying. Well, it it does because how else I'm gonna meet somebody from a different state and to fly that. I'm saying, like, I'm saying I probab I'm trying to say I'm not wanting to make a guarantee and say that I'm paying for somebody's flight, but odds are I that's probably not happening. Yeah, yeah, it's just not I'm not in places to where that makes sense. I don't I can barely hold a conversation long enough to to text and call somebody I've never met before. That's just like not, I mean, I'm not saying that's impossible, but my my attention span doesn't last that long. I'm very disinterested. Like, that's what why like so you would much rather just just pay for it. Uh no, I'm not I I told you I'm on the same plane as you in terms of that. Like, to whereas, like, hey, me exchanging that energy with you, it's like I gotta really like you, and I don't like to be kind of like, hey, you doing this for money, that doesn't make me feel good at all. Yeah, yeah, because there's like a risk that I want to have, like, hey, you did the, you know, you allowed me to enter in a sense. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. But for you, it's like very hoe ish in a manner, and a lot of men in in that. Now I'm running the risk of you know what I mean, disease. This you're probably withholding some things from me. Yeah, you know, it I mean, it's sinning in nature, and now I'm paying for the sin. You know what I mean? Like innocent, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like it's a lot of too many factors to where it's like I don't want to always guarantee it because there's I mean, I I ain't the wisest, you know what I mean? So somebody can run game and be like, bruh, you know what I mean? Like, dang, I don't know how she convinced me to give it up, and I did. So I always want to be like, don't want to make sure I'm like that naive to think that I'm like not gullible in a sense, but and I've never have, and that's not a thing that interests interests me. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. I am on if you're S tier to where you're like, bruh, I've it's absolute not happening, I'm probably in the A. Yeah, yeah. So to where I don't believe that if you're spending money um on a date, that means that you're paying for an interstate degree. I just that's how I just disagree.
SPEAKER_01:I I'm just saying I I don't go into things looking like that or looking for that. Yeah, like I'm I'm a very like I say, I I I love love. So like I like the conversations, I like the taking a girl out. I I I love all that. So I don't necessarily look at it like I'm gonna get some at the end of the night, da-da-da-da. But I could see though, if somebody was to tell me, bro, you know you just pay for this, this, and this, you did kind of like pay for it in a way. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. Like, I'm not like that, but I can see how somebody can say that. And because I'm not like that, the other way of being so blatant, just like sitting down, is so transactional. Yeah, I don't see myself.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, because yeah, like, and even um, because there's times to where like I met somebody online and she didn't care to go out at all, you know. Yeah, yeah. So I was like, I didn't pay anything. Like, like, is that yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I wouldn't even say that. That's like, well, I mean, yeah, she did, but um that's not the reason why she didn't go out, she just didn't care to. She'd rather stay at home and yeah, and whatever. So, so I'm saying that is like, okay, so I got it for the free. Like, is that by your logic? You're like, yeah, dang. You know what I mean? Like, that's why I said it's so I I just don't like that the idea of like, hey, you're paying for a certain degree.
SPEAKER_01:It's like, nah, that's that's how I like that more though. Like not doing anything and something happens.
SPEAKER_05:No, I think that I feel you, and I it's not like I'm just don't understand how that that idea comes about, but also look like it's like you want me to be on your level in terms of paying for things, you know, like you you because you pay for cooch, you want to try to justify my head on why it's okay in a sense. Yeah, like no, we we we it's different planes here, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so don't try to stoop me to your level by trying to justify what I do versus what you do. And it's it's like you remember when we talked about like you know, like the spiritual, like it even though we're going uh completely left, but when we talk about like spiritual versus religious, it's like bro, just say you you just say you don't want to go to church, you know, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, and that's what it is. Like, just say you pay for cooch and you enjoy it because you want it's easy, it makes sense. Yeah, it's what for whatever reason, you're like, Yeah, I'm I'm different. Now you can disagree or agree, but I'm just saying that's how I feel. Yeah um yeah, was that fun? Yeah, that was cool. Uh so when as I was even saying it, um talking about this, it uh my brother brought up a point, and I felt like I was doing it even at this moment. Um he was just we was on a phone call with me, my mom, and my sister. And I feel like we should do a lot more of those because it's very interesting and fun. But he was like, um, he's he dates a lady now, and um uh like he's dating. Like I when I say a lady now, like it's like he's dating something other than that. But yeah, so uh he was like, you know, she was asking or her her friends that the lady she's dating, her friends said, Um, do you have any do you have any siblings or any brothers? My bad. I help feel like I'm hitting the table. You are yeah, she's like, Do you have you know, do you have any uh siblings? And he's like, Yeah, I have a little brother, but he's a little bit self-righteous, you know. And then I thought about it, and I was like, Okay, you know, so before I fit how I go on to feel about myself, do you agree that I'm a bit self-righteous? I got you. I'm already here. Yeah, yeah. So self-righteous is an attitude and belief of moral superiority derived from a person deeming their own beliefs, actions, or fit affiliations to be of greater virtue than those of the average person. Yes, okay, so you believe I'm self-righteous. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I agree with that, you know, like and as I'm licking in it and I'm trying to, you know, trying to understand it biblically, it's definitely a negative in it to a certain degree. And I was like, okay, I need to kind of straddle away from that because then I feel like I'm putting myself at a higher pedestal than everybody else, and I do that to a certain degree, but that's probably not the best attitude. Because it's like that's even as I discuss it, it's like I try to remain humble and I think I do somewhat of a good job, but I do have this element of self-righteousness in me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, so I was just really kind of getting wanting your take on it. You're like, yeah, yeah. But also I try to derive my stance biblically. Like I want to have it biblical realism in a sense. It's like, all right, so my standards are biblical, but also I'm real to everybody's nature. Yeah, yeah. Like when I talk about even the spiritual versus religious, it's like I get I get it, but I I disagree. Because I know it, I I can see what's going on for real. Um, you know what I mean? Like, I'm real in that way, and I'm get getting to the point. And I feel like we do what happens is we try to justify our behavior and to make ourselves feel good. But I know myself, I'm not perfect, obviously, and we're all not. So just be real about who we are, dear.
SPEAKER_01:So I think I think um uh I think you come into it thinking like that, but it doesn't play out like that. Okay. So like even the the the religion versus the the spiritual thing, I feel like it doesn't it doesn't really matter what anybody says. It's kind of like you have a certain specific way of looking at this, and if you step outside this box, then that's the go-to like, well, you just might as well say that you don't like church. That's not it though. It's like we we could be looking at the same thing, but just have two different viewpoints, and it could be like the same answer in two different ways. But I I feel like sometimes it'll be like that. It'll be like if I don't say like one, two, or three, then all right, well, you over here then versus like well, me in a sense where I'm like I can kind of understand like what's just more of an open mind basically, than like a strict closed box, I guess. So I I don't know. I think that's where the whole self-righteousness comes from in a way, because like if you ain't inside this box, then you over there. And I think that's that's where people can kind of say about that whole self-righteous shit.
SPEAKER_05:I I yeah, and I feel like it definitely comes off that way. And I I agree, it definitely does. Um the reason the place where I land on it is it's like we like I just mentioned, we like to lie to ourselves and make ourselves feel good. Because when when I like dive deeper on the point of why they're not going to church or why they do this thing, it it gets a little bit interesting, like, okay, if that's the case if if you if it's not because you don't want to go to church or exchange energy with a lot of people and want to spend the time, it's like okay, then why won't you make the hour commitment? Yeah, and and then you start, you know, and then you when you keep on diving a little bit deeper, it's it's bigger than I'm just spiritual. Yeah, yeah, it's bigger than that. You know, it's like, hey, I believe, because spiritual is like I believe there's a being, but you also don't want because I can feel like in that in that if you want to dive a little bit deeper on that, that can be self-righteous because I feel like there's a being in hey, I know I'm a good person, so I'm gonna live by what I feel is good. It's like you yeah, but we have there's a biblical when I talk about biblical standards to where it's like I feel the self-righteousness a little bit in my for myself, but also there's a standard to where I live in. But if you're going by your own standards, then that's self-righteous. Yeah, yeah, because you can say what's good or bad, you know, like hey, hey, they talk about homosexuality in the church. It's like, hey, I don't, you know, I don't dislike anybody who's gay and I wish everybody well and I love everybody, but if they're saying, hey, this is wrong, then that's the standard I gotta live by. Rather, I feel like, you know what I mean, how that looks or anything like that. So I feel like that's self-righteous when you talk about spirituality in that way. Yeah, because of sense of and and and not you want to make sure that you're on the right track. So if you're saying, hey, I don't believe in uh Jesus Christ, all right. Well, is do you but you believe there's an ultimate being, so why don't you try to look for that? So so there's a standard, whether that's Hindu, Muslim, or Islam, or you know Jewish you know culture, whatever. You know what I mean? So I feel like it's just an easy way to say, hey, I believe in God, but I I want to do my own thing.
SPEAKER_01:And people I can I can sort of understand that.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, so so that's why, yeah. So I was like, yeah, at least I have a standard, whether I I follow that to a hundred percent degree or I fall short or whatever, there's a standard or code to where I align with. So when I when I see that you're but you're kind of on my you're on the train then you kind of like along the train or believe the train I'm in, but you're not willing to commit 100%. It's like bro, you lying to yourself. Just say you don't want to go to you know what I mean? I it's not always just because what and I'm gonna use an example, and we're it's gonna be fall probably um uh all the way left, but I'm gonna use it because it's what's coming to my head. Is like when they talk about when Charlie Charlie Kirk when he when he was assassinated, and you have all the yeah, yeah, all the conspiracy theories on why it's because of this, it's because of that. And we're like, if this is if this is true and he was assassinated for a specific reason and it just wasn't some random guy that planned it, um, then it's probably more than just one reason on why you do six. So when when you talk about like a box, it's like I feel I feel that and I kind of agree, but there's probab there's gonna be more than just one reason on why somebody does one thing. Like there's yeah, so like for Charlie Kirk, it's like it wasn't just because you know uh they believed that he was gonna be president, so they wanted to get him out early or whatever. It's probably multiple reasons on why you know um on why they did this thing. And so that's where I land with certain things is why you do what you do. It's not because hey, you don't want to go to church, it's also because you got things that you think is um that's that you feel like is more important whether you would say that or not. Yeah. It it could probably be several reasons why you don't go. So I was like, just be real with yourself in a way.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no, that that that is a fact as well, um with all that, especially the spirituality versus like the religion thing. Um I hate that we landed there because that's not where I get you. Um but yeah, I I I can see what you mean. Both both sides can have a certain sense of the righteousness in a way. Yeah, both both sides can definitely have that, or um different reasons of standing their ground on that. So I I I I get what you're saying in a way.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, so but yeah, in terms of um but I also don't want to come off that I'm better than somebody else. Even though I like I use the um I've used uh like the lion mindset, like lions don't compare their to a sheep or whatever. That was more so like a mindset that is like, hey, don't let these little things bother you because at the end of the day, it's not gonna really matter. These opinions. So that's the mindset you have, but that don't mean that I think that they're little sheep and they're beneath me. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no, I feel like you're more so um still like sort of with like with the box thing, but you can still hang out and talk to everybody. It's really just if somebody asks you your opinion or not. And then that's when I think those other things come up of people saying, or like your brother saying, like self-righteousness did it. You don't like just come off like that. It's literally just when I ask you a question, yeah, yeah, right. And then you open up and be like, well, actually don't fuck with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and that's um, I think that's where all that comes from. But still you're like you're you're you're having conversations with these people. It's not like uh it's not like this is.
SPEAKER_05:Like I'm trying to tell somebody how they should live.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And this is probably gonna sound way left, but like having a grandma like in the 90s, like 90s or super early 2000s, like that shit is like it's we talking about boxes, like you cannot tell. Uh I mean she she passed now, so rest in peace is my my grandmother. But like you can't tell no grandmama but nothing. Like outside of the Bible and outside of the religion, outside of what it's over with. Like, no, you sinning. What the fuck are you doing? You know what I'm saying? It's very strict, very, very, very strict. And you're not like that, you know what I'm saying? Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. A grandmother's not finna have a conversation with you about anything other than Jesus. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:And I guess what since we have, you know, this is obviously a public podcast, and if this gets bigger, I don't want to be like people are Dr. Umar in me. You know what I mean? To where it's like how Dr. Umar doesn't believe it, you know, um a black people should be with black people, you know what I mean? Yeah, so yeah, but he's not gonna come up to a uh a mixed couple and be like, bruh, you doing wrong. You know, he's probably gonna just let it be. Unless they ask him. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:Can't can you hear me on here?
SPEAKER_05:Uh I feel like something's kicked off, but uh but I mean we're we're pretty much wrapping up anyway. So we're good to go. We're good. All right, yeah. I think that I think we did it anyway.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, all right.
SPEAKER_05:That's there we go. Nice working. What's what happened? I don't know. But we're good.
SPEAKER_01:Uh oh, I just can't hear me.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, all right. Well, this is two for the culture. We'll be back with another episode. We'll be back. Yes, sir.