Two for the Culture

Team Christy or Team Desmond and Relationships on Camera

• Season 1 • Episode 43

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We unpack Christy and Desmond’s split and what happens when love becomes content. We weigh infidelity, public pressure, legal optics, and whether peace is worth more than a thriving brand.

• star-power imbalance in a shared brand
• Desmond’s statement reframed as wanting out
• the toll of performing a relationship on camera
• algorithm-fueled backlash and shifting sympathy
• why “get back” culture harms more than it heals
• legal and custody optics of public missteps
• vows, peace, and the divorce-or-misery dilemma
• the couple-creator cycle of climb, peak, breakup
• whether time apart can reset tolerance
• boundaries, discernment, and protecting the private self

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Welcome Back And Setup;

SPEAKER_00

And we are back with another episode of Two for the Culture. I'm Justin Devante.

SPEAKER_04

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SPEAKER_00

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The Christy And Desmond Split;

SPEAKER_00

All right. You want to dive straight into it? Yeah, let's go. All right. Are you Team Christy or are you Team Desmond? Do I need to give you a quick breakdown?

SPEAKER_04

Well, you can get in one.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. I got you. Like, yeah, I'm familiar. Oh, yeah. Um, so Christy and Desmond Scott are social media influencers. She's been very strong. I didn't know they had this strong of a fan base until the divorce. Yeah, I was familiar with their game, but also, you know, I, you know, I follow social media. Yeah, yeah. So I've seen some of their stuff, but never attributed to their, you know, their growth. So I would have seen the face. I wouldn't have known their name, but I was like, okay, they look familiar.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I've seen them for years. She's always like playing around, and um, you know, it it just seems online, you know, like first of all, I think they were together for like 14, not 14, but since they were 14 years. Since they were 14. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And so then they've been married uh 11 years. So yeah, so since 2014, so 11 plus. Yeah. And um Christy apparently filed for divorce, uh, citing, you know, infidelity and stated that the marriage had become insupportable with no reasonable chance of reconciliation. Um, so, you know, given that statement um in the divorce, I'm sure there's probably, you know, I don't want to, you know, put things on him. Right. But, you know, cheating once typically doesn't lead to divorce immediately. Uh yeah. So, and if if that's the case, then do you think it was multiple times? Or what is your thought on it?

SPEAKER_04

I think after I read the statement that he released, did you read that?

SPEAKER_00

Um, is that the one to where he's kind of like apologizing to his fans? Like he's like apologize for the pain I caused, acknowledging challenges in their marriage, and expressing regret over choices I'm not proud of. He emphasized his commitment to co-parenting their children and asked for privacy. Is that the one you're referring to?

SPEAKER_04

So in it, this is one of the main things I read as soon as I read this, I was like, hmm, you know, it was just like a little now. I he definitely cheated. So let's yeah, he definitely cheated. Yeah, let's just call it what it is, spade a spade. He definitely cheated. In addition to that, though, when I read this, I was like, hmm. So one of the paragraphs starts off, Christy, Christy and I faced challenges and made sincere efforts to work through them. Toward the end of 2025, I wanted to separate, and I had conversations with Christy regarding this. During this period, I made choices that I am not proud of. I took responsibility for those actions. I shared with her directly and personally, and ultimately we decided to divorce. We decided to divorce. What I just read was just from my perspective, just you know, as a consumer, I just read, I just read a statement from a man saying he did not want to be in the marriage anymore.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_04

And so in this time frame of straight up telling you I don't want to be here, then I started doing stuff, and then after, all right, you got me.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_04

It just seems like it doesn't seem like this was a happy home, and this man was just out. It sounds like he wanted to leave a a while ago. And the big story versus that is he cheated. So I don't know. Like I I get that he cheated, but I just read a man who wanted out.

Who Was The Star Of The Brand;

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I so that's the statement that I got, given that you read that. Okay, can we rewind just a little bit? And um because uh you're familiar more familiar with them, yeah. Do you would you say that she was the reason why he's popping right now? Like did he Yeah, you could say that. Um, in terms of how I saw their um their family, it looked like Oh yeah, she's the star. Okay.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, she's a star.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and so they're clearly in a business together because it's a social media and they grew their brand. Um so so I I attribu well, I as we just explained, I attribute, you know, the influence and their fame and their wealth contributed mostly because of what she's been doing, and he's just kind of reacting to it. Rather, he does the the laugh, the fake laugh that everybody's doing, like yeah, cooking for Christy or something on the internet to where everybody's just kind of like laughing out out loud at anything that she does. Um the business side of things, do you think that's what carried them mostly into like he he could have probably wanted to leave for years, but the business was doing well and the brand was strong.

SPEAKER_04

So that I don't think they keep niggas around. You don't think so? I think that would keep I think that would keep a woman around more than a man. Just just because I I don't know. It's just like peace is like crazy. That's like too important. You said what? Peace. Peace. Yeah. Well, I mean, peace for both. I I don't wanna I don't wanna just just act like I'm just 100% on anybody's side, but I you know, it just I I don't I don't see I don't see them staying together because they got popping views.

Business, Peace, And Leaving;

SPEAKER_00

Well, I mean that it's a business. So a business when you're working one, it's it could when you're collaborating with your spouse. I imagine I'm never of course I've never been married, so I've definitely never had a business with somebody. But when you're working together, that's time with each other, y'all love this thing, it's pretty much your baby in a sense. You have your own children, but that's your baby that you're growing, and so you have goals that you want to achieve with each other. Um you and so some that success brings you joy, the income brings you joy, and y'all doing that together can you know seem that it could be you know, outside looking in, happiness in a way.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I I could kind of see that. So I mean though he was a uh a really good chef too.

SPEAKER_00

I mean Okay. That's success for sure.

SPEAKER_04

Talking about happiness. Like he could have just been happy, like saying, I really don't care about these videos. I really just like what I do.

SPEAKER_00

Maybe. But I I think what they're doing now has I don't want to make it all about money because peace that's a hundred percent important, and I lean towards that side always. Yeah. Um but I um one to one, you you you're leaving your kids, that's one thing. I wonder what was the tipping point for him because when she's filed for a divorce.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So he didn't file.

SPEAKER_04

Right. But I mean, what dude is gonna do that?

SPEAKER_00

I mean, unless he's he but you but the way the statement was read that hey, I wanted out of this a while ago.

SPEAKER_04

I still don't see the man doing it unless she just terrible.

SPEAKER_00

And and I really wanted guidance from you, given that you've been in a public relationship and that you had a a public page with somebody. Yeah. Do you agree with some of those statements of hey, as the growth, the the the brand y'all y'all built together, did when you saw some success from it, did that help with happiness? Was that collaborating and did y'all have goals together?

Performing Your Relationship Online;

SPEAKER_04

Um, you know, it was it was it never went as far as it could because of me. Yeah, like I just so by the time I made that page with her and that whole or that whole ordeal, it was cool, it had a catchy name and like all that type of stuff, but I just became race so silly, sort of, at that point, right? Before then, like you knew me, it was like Steve, Stephen Lloyd production, whatever. I had a YouTube phase, right? So in that phase, I was kind of like yelling at the top of my lung. I I was basically like over-exaggerating who I was on the camera all the time. So like my real personality was this chill guy, but I'm like, hey guys, I've been like that stuff. And I would annoy myself. It got to the point that I was annoying myself to where now I make content the way I do now. I say that to say, when I made this page, I felt like that dude again. I felt like I'm doing this for views, like this ain't even like we we're vlogging, going to pick some food up or something, but now I gotta like put a little bit more effort into my personality or exaggerated a little bit on the ride there. I just felt like my life started to become like a reality show versus like you know, the where we're doing it for views and stuff. So I personally didn't care about like how many views we was getting and stuff, because I I just wanted to feel like I was me.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, and I think that was very relatable to probably what Desmond was going through.

SPEAKER_04

Uh maybe. I know what that feels like. Yeah, it's it's very performative, you know, like everything's gotta be uh, but it's naturally, it naturally has to be. Like if y'all got this page, yeah, like you you want to show your personality and stuff, but mine comes in and out. Like I'm way more chill.

SPEAKER_00

So um and he could be that too. It didn't seem like he was, you know, he wasn't the face of the channel. She he was reacting to whatever she was doing, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And he had to perform based off of that. Maybe he's like, bruh, this this shit whack. You know what I mean? He can't say that. So he has to still just laugh, even though he doesn't find it funny.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I'm sure. Um I mean, maybe there were definitely some moments like that. Um, yeah, I I do remember a lot of videos of him being like awaken and all that, but at the same time, they've been together for so long. She's been like that, like since the beginning. So I think this is really just a case of two people outgrowing each other. Like in or growing apart.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

Growing Apart And Public Backlash;

SPEAKER_04

You know, yeah. They were together that long. Like they know the core of each other. They've been through the ups and downs, left and right. So I don't know. It don't seem like a tragic thing to me from the outside. It just seemed kind of like and then like now. I do love how at first he was just straight up the villain. Like, straight, like the first couple days. He was just straight up like, how could you? And all of a sudden, they making it in the algorithm from videos of uh videos of them that they dropped like last year. It's just Instagram pushing all that shit now. And everybody's going back to these videos of him or her individually, and he was he was just saying something like this is what I'm making today. This shit was like last July. And then all the comments, we don't want to hear what you're making, Desmond. We don't care. And then you just read the we know why we here, like they flooding this man's comments, and then now it's kind of a different feel. It's kind of like he's kind of getting some love, so it's kind of like I don't know. I think people are kind of seeing through this whole Desmond is a villain thing.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and I I really agree, and and that's why I really wanted your perspective because I know, hey, you of course you haven't been married before and um didn't share cares with somebody your brand, but you have a similar perspective. Um, and I can see both sides of the argument. Um I understand that people are growing apart. I mean, if you're getting being married for four uh since you or not for since you was 14, but y'all have been together since you was 14 years old, then being married for over a decade, that there's an element to that, but there's also an element of she's the only person I know. I can't imagine myself being with another woman. Me, you know, she seeing me naked taking a shit. You know, you know what I mean. We we have kids together that we love. You know what I mean? We built this beautiful home together, you know what I mean? And for somebody to start over, yeah. You know how a mind twist that is, you know that that's what I'm saying. This had to been going on in his brain for a while.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And for y'all been together so long, and I'm sure therapy was on the table if didn't happen. Uh-huh. So you gotta, you're talking about a year or two. Because men ain't gonna rationally just make a decision to ask for a divorce or yeah, just and just completely rebuild their brand. Though that business decision takes uh, you know, a while to develop and how what direction we're gonna go, how are we gonna make this work? So for me, I know just getting out of a relationship for a year and getting back out there, it can is tough. Yeah. Let alone like I don't even know how to flirt. Yeah, facts, facts, facts. It seemed like he wasn't struggling, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah. This man was for real deal outside. Yeah, and then you gotta and said she chose to keep the house, he chose to go outside. But um, yeah, yeah, but I mean, you know, it it's I I don't I don't even know uh what to think about um that whole thing. But I mean, just him getting caught that quick and being out, like it just makes me wonder like what was really going on for real. Yeah, and for it to even get to that point.

Get Back Culture And Consequences;

SPEAKER_00

Right. I think one I can't so a part of me doesn't get it uh feel bad for him to get killed like that. Like for any man, you know, you're like, dang, you know, you cheated, now they're murdering you, but a part of it, you're doing it to yourself. Okay you in a I are, you know, public uh displays of affection, PDA. Yeah, you know, I have a problem with kissing my own girlfriend, you know, in a bar, let alone making out with somebody, and I'm famous. Yeah, come on now. We gotta make wiser decisions. Yeah, no, facts. And and you just had this divorce happen. Granted, this they could have been did that. Well, it's still even then the the the divorce wasn't announced. So even if they been had that video, yeah. No, it was announced, by the way. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04

Well, I didn't think that's because it should happen like that day.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, but some people, you know, may have had the video on the phone and then the algorithm rhythms get thrown in. I don't know how I saw I I heard the girl talk.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, the girl, she spoke about it, and it was just like I was not the girl that he cheated on her with. We met and it kind of like one thing led to another very quickly.

SPEAKER_00

So I'm a thought okay, yeah. That's what I heard. Yeah, I'm a thought.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, so um, yeah, I just I mean it if if you want to look at it, you it does kind of speak a little bit on the character as well, though, if you do want to look at that situation. Because that is kind of wild, that ain't low-key at all.

SPEAKER_01

So the back of the clip.

SPEAKER_00

Like, what? Yeah, so do you think that um would you be surprised if she's like, I'm gonna get my get back for that?

SPEAKER_04

First of all, the women always will have the best get back. Yeah, you can't get no better than a woman's get back, right? Period. Yeah. His favorite basketball player or rapper is probably in her DMs as we speak. Yeah. She could just, oh, oh, everybody's in her DMs. You know, she's a pretty woman. All she gotta do is just hit that scroll. Really just look away and just just hit, which is on somebody. So nah, I I I know for a fact that there's no way to outbeat a woman.

SPEAKER_00

Are you gonna be are you gonna see, and that's that's the the the scary game that you're playing. Uh-huh. It's like, I used to be in that bed. Now you got the uh that six seven, what six seven nigga? You know what? She picture takes a picture with him. It's over in y'all bed.

SPEAKER_04

She don't even got that's what I'm saying. She don't even have to show you nothing. Yeah. She could just have a little smirk when she sees you. In her head, she knows like this nigga just slutted me out. Yeah. I mean, respectfully to you guys. But like, right, bruh. What? No, there's no way possible to to to to to do worse than a woman. I don't I don't think it's possible. Unless she just has zero confidence in herself.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, but then I mean, that and that's the that's the battle, is because also they've been together since they was 14 years old. Right. How she may have never taken a dick from another man. She is. She may have never. I know. So she may never so she may not even ever get to that. Or I'm get comfortable with it like that with somebody. Absolutely. That's go that's extremely tough. You don't think?

SPEAKER_04

Uh she's a grown woman with hormones.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. Well, I'm not I didn't mean to say ever. I think, but it's that's gonna take time, I think. You don't think so? What's her?

SPEAKER_04

I think that she could just have a little smirk and nobody ever has to know.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Nobody ever has to find out.

SPEAKER_00

I don't except a homegirl. Because yeah, that and they have to see, you know, she may be uncomfortable with them see the guy seeing her naked. You know what I mean? There's steps to this. This this ain't to no housewife to to to slut. You know what I mean? Like there's there's levels to this. You get there's insecurities I'm sure she's having. I'm I'm saying, even I don't believe it.

Legal Optics And Custody Risks;

SPEAKER_04

I don't believe that. I mean, I'm not saying it just jumped out the gate, but I do feel like with the drop of the video of him in the back of the club and him cheating on her and all that, she got some inspiration, is all I'm saying. She got a little motivation to just get over this nigga. Like, you know, people do crazy, people do things. Shit, I I I uh I had a breakup with a girl, and it was just like she was doing shit. She was doing shit, and I wasn't even on that type of shit for real, but I didn't know what else to do to get over this girl. So I just became super promiscuous at one point. And I've heard that story more than once from other men when they go through something and then they like, nah, I'm finna go out here and da-da-da. And it's really just distracting yourself. But uh I'm I'm not saying that's right, but I'm just saying people do things when they don't know what else to do, like to get over this situation. Like sitting in the situation is the worst thing you could do. You have to move around. You have to get out. You have to uh not necessarily smash everybody, but like, you know, you you gotta you gotta you gotta you gotta have more energy and all that. You just sitting in that shit, that's the worst thing ever.

SPEAKER_00

But she, I mean, she got a household she gotta take care of. I'm sure she's gonna be primary custody. So she has and everything in her home is gonna remind her of her husband.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. So I got kicked out before. I'm sure that girl got smashed on.

The Couple-Influencer Cycle;

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah. But with the same fucking counters we painted and all of that. But you gotta look at, I'm just saying, this is their home they had together, that they built together. They have kids together, that their kids look like him. You know what I mean? So she ain't got no really choice to sit in a lot of it, and I'm sure she's did that. I'm I'm sure there's a you know, and and this is where discernment comes in. It's because, you know, of course, we're only looking at it through our own lens, but I I don't like this get back era that we sit in.

SPEAKER_04

Why you say that?

SPEAKER_00

Because get back, you're not doing it because you want to, you're doing it to hurt me. And I can I think that's that's like I don't want to use evil, but it's malicious intent. And it's like you're not even yourself. Yeah. Yeah, I never I didn't cheat on you because I wanted you to be hurt. Yeah, I cheated on for me. If you're going to have sex with somebody and and you know enjoy somebody's company, I want it to be for you. Not because I want I want to see you have pain. And that's why I don't like get back area. Because it or the uh get back of things, because there's such a great area when it comes to it. Because what else I can I can accidentally do something to you, and then you'll be like, I'm gonna get you back for that. Yeah, but mine was never malicious, yeah. And I only did it out of accident, whatever that situation is. But then when you do it, you're like, oh, now you know how it feels. I was like, yeah, I didn't need to know how it feels to be sorry for what I did.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Now you're intentionally causing me pain, and those two aren't the same.

SPEAKER_01

No, they're not the same.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. So if so I would want my ex-wife to have discernment. It's like, hey, if this is what you want to do, cool, but don't do it because you saw a video of me because this is the chick I like. I didn't, I didn't set up old girl to take a video of me. But now you set you got the the nigga in the uh the emoji over his head and shit. You know what I mean? Now I'm like, okay, this is just clear pettiness. Yeah. And that this is you're not even yourself.

Image, Pressure, And Peak-To-Breakup;

SPEAKER_04

I don't see how it just it's just I just feel like all rules are kind of out the the window. And this is a situation like where I read. I wanted to separate. It's like whatever she does, it doesn't matter. Like he didn't want to be with her anyway. Like, I I there has to be so many thoughts that has, at least by this point, I'm pretty sure it's kind of like um died down because we're just hearing this information. They probably been through this shit. But there had to be so many thoughts that went through um that woman's mind, you know, both of their minds. Uh, I don't even know how long. So at this point, I don't I don't even know if it would necessarily be a get back. Because I know what you're talking about, but like I think it'd just be more of not knowing how to um I think it's just the adjustment after something major happens. And they've been together, like you said, like since basically kid 14. That's crazy. So I I feel like just humans in general, eventually you're gonna have to, like I said, go outside. Shit, maybe that's what he was thinking. Or I clearly he had to be fucked up or something, because that was not a good idea, you know. Um, especially with the fame, and bro, you're everywhere on the blogs, bruh. Like, yeah, I know your social media blowing up. His phone damn near is on fire in his pocket. So um, but who knows what he was thinking in that moment. Maybe he was just like, the world hates me, fuck it. Maybe he was going through his own little thing and then woke up, like, ah, damn. And then, like you said, maybe if hurt, I would assume that would cause some type of pain. Like some type of pain, whether it was intentional or not.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, y'all just announced your divorce and you see uh him making out and probably smashed. Yeah. I mean, he cheated before, so and she's giving up like that, you know what I mean, at the bar. Yeah, she probably wants to have sex with him. Uh facts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and then, you know, I'm sure that it's because it takes I can only imagine, you know, I'm still helding out of my relationship, you know what I mean? And I'm not truly over it. So I can only imagine being in a relationship since I'm 14 and I'm seeing that. Oh my god. I would be livid. Yeah, if yeah, yeah. If I'm seeing my ex-wife make out with another man at a bar, I just and we just announced our divorce, I'm gonna be pissed. And I'm like, bruh, there's you should care more about my feelings to to to do that in the back of an Uber. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, like like where's the wisdom? You know what I mean? And that's I'm starting to really preach discernment now.

SPEAKER_01

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00

Hey, yeah. And that's and that's partly why, you know, uh it takes time because I thought it would be easier to pick in the right one.

SPEAKER_01

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00

But a lot of these hoes be stupid for real. Yeah. I mean like you you truly didn't think about the the consequences of your action? How could you have that that was gonna go well? That's why when we talk about get back, there there isn't a strategy behind it. It's just to hurt me, and now you actually just piss me off for real.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So, yeah, yeah. So as like that's trifling behavior, and I can't respect it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So if if you did this to me here, what do you think our relationship is gonna look like in years from now when there's something worse that comes up?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, if there is a relationship.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. It's like these these short-term strategies that you think and that makes you think you're gonna feel is gonna feel good doesn't work for real.

Oath, Fatherhood, And Failure;

SPEAKER_04

I don't see a lot of um, I don't know. I I I don't think people just think through things like when when it's in the heat of the moment. You know, I I've seen that multiple times. I've seen it's like a broken record for me. Like if I have if I'm in a relationship for the for the I wouldn't say the most part, but but if I'm in a relationship and it ends, however it ends, nine times out of ten, there's a void that needs to be filled, and all of a sudden she's with some other nigga. And like I've seen I've seen it multiple times. And I wasn't the only time I ever was really like that is like when I said, like when it was like some malicious shit going on, and then now my feeling is hurt. I'm looking at you like, why would you ever? And then I'm looking at myself in the mirror, like, hold up, why am I sad? Like, I need to get out of this, and then I start doing stupid shit. That's the only time I ever did that, but I have seen it more times than not that a void needed to be filled, and then the the other person does go out and just get somebody that never lasts. I I I don't even have a story in my head of somebody cutting something off with someone and then going to get somebody else, and then that shit lasts. I don't even I I haven't heard that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, and and um and try to add to that how unwise of a decision that is, because it seems like you know, he did the unpacking and it looks like an apartment or whatever, you know. Yeah, but um you're this is divorce proceedings. I don't know if they finalize it, just looks like they just started everything. Uh-huh. So you're not putting yourself in the best light, definitely when it comes to a judge, definitely when you talk about custody of your kids, that you know what I mean? That that what you're doing now, even though it's maybe short-term satisfaction, but you can be raked through the cleaners. You know what I mean? Yeah. Just for it, because now it it may not be the reason y'all may be divorced at that point, but it is evidence of something, and it's not painting you in the best light.

SPEAKER_04

I didn't, you know, I didn't even think about that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so it it just kind of wasn't unwise.

SPEAKER_04

So cause but you're you're just talking about that one moment of him doing the uh Well, I'm yeah, it's evidence of something.

SPEAKER_00

It's just the pictures is it doesn't uh it doesn't help the situation. It's only going to hurt. This doesn't help him in the least bit of way.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Um as I'm reading it. I mean, it is very intentional what he put in this this note.

Divorce Or Misery Dilemma;

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely. He yeah, he was just saying, hey, this it wasn't a um, yeah, I did wrong, but this wasn't just a a quick decision that we made together. Um it's it's you know, it's it's very unfortunate, unfortunate, um, but I feel like that is going to be a lot of reality for a lot of these couple influencers because when they're they're famous, they uh they garner a lot of viewership, they get give a lot of their personalities, a lot of people see them a certain way, and they're gonna garner a lot of attraction, and they're they don't got the finest why you know the finest women, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know what you mean. Like in terms of like some of the I'm not speaking towards every Chrissy's beautiful, yada yada, but hey, you know what I mean? She, you know, you got the uh the OnlyFans models, I don't know what the other girl was that will suck the soul out your dick. You know what I mean? Yeah, so yeah, yeah. And so you get that, you getting pictures, is it's easy to slip away. It's easy in your job is to be on social media. And now, and I've already talked to you about like, hey, comparing, like when I'm driving, you're like, dang, you know, hey, she bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so your mind can wander there. I can only imagine somebody's reaching out to your DMs, that's a 10 out of 10.

SPEAKER_04

Uh, from you blowing up in the relationship.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you're you're you're social media famous now. Oh you're influenced.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, more with younger, younger people though. I've seen that happen. But I that one thing I did learn in this whole thing, usually, if it looks perfect, it's not. That's one of the main things that I learned. Yeah. The shit look if it's if it's um that shit is picture perfect, some usually it it it don't end up working out for some reason.

SPEAKER_00

I got you. I mean, it's just a lot of and that's one of the toughest one I I think that people I mean it's like when you're younger and you're like, I want to be famous, but you don't know what it all comes with. Yeah. And that's uh more so definitely true for these social media influencers. It's like, hey, you're getting killed because of your looks, you know what I mean? People are constantly, you know, talking about your relationship. Now you got um that the insecurities going there. Y'all have the you have ideas, they have ideas, then y'all frustrated at you know each other. Hey, you didn't react this the way I told you it was gonna react. Let's record again, and that's your your fifth time recording this dumb. You know what I mean? Do the dance right, Steven. Yeah, and then it's not clicking. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I done had them. Yeah, yeah. Now it's just from Kaya. I could deal with that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, right, right. Dad, I could deal with that.

SPEAKER_04

Steven, a grown ass woman. That's too funny. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah. There were some funny moments, though, for sure.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. I didn't know that was going to trigger you.

Can They Rebuild Or Revisit;

SPEAKER_04

You know what I mean? Nah, nah. It's fun, it's literally funny. Like when I when I draw myself back and I'm thinking about it, and just like being in some of those type of things. Again, I had a lot of fun with it, so I don't want to say like it was the worst. But I'm saying it's hilarious when I think about like grown people just like really annoyed with each other because you can't hit this fucking dance right. You know, we gotta make the TikTok, man. We just we gotta post this.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly. And then this ain't you know what I mean. Social media influencing isn't stable, there's gonna be uh roller coasters, so there're gonna be times to where you y'all down for real. Yeah, and then yeah, yeah. So you have that side of things, yeah, and then you gotta make your relationship work even to it.

SPEAKER_04

Yep, that's too funny. Yep.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so I'm just looking at these these couples together, like how much you gotta go through, and then you're getting checked on top of your relationship, like by other people, like make fun of. Oh, uh yeah, yeah. And then you got this girl is like, hey, I appreciate you. You know what I mean? Yeah, keep your head up, King. You don't know how much you do for me if I was to meet you in my life. I would do this, yada, yada. Yeah, and and and they're selling you a dream. And so and you're unappreciated here.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I've seen that. I've seen it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so I mean it it's a couple people. Yeah, yeah. I'm surprised I haven't seen more of this. And I I usually, I usually I don't want to say, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04

It happens a lot though. There's a there's a climb, there's a peak, and then there's a breakup. I say at least half of the times that I've seen in the past, let's say, over 10 years, there's usually a climb, peak, and then somewhere down that line, breakup, something fucks up somewhere. Or the videos stop. Those type of videos stop, and then they stay together. But uh, I've seen that more times than well, no, I'll say half. I I'll give it about half. So, yeah, like I said, man, when some shit just looks perfect, yeah, eventually.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and you know, um, I wonder how much Will Smith had right in terms I know the crazy segue, but not really. Um, in terms of like y'all having a relationship outside of y'all's own because of y'all's brand that y'all have together. It's like, okay, they could have did this, but kind of separated behind the scenes and did their own thing without anybody knowing.

SPEAKER_04

Which is what they did.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I mean, they divorced. So, I mean Will Smith J got divorced? No, no, I I do apologize. I'm I'm speaking on Will's relationship, but comparing it to what if Desmond and Christy was to do that same thing. Sorry, I didn't really clarify that. Thank you for asking the question. Yeah, I don't think Christy going for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah. Yeah, but it's a conversation that hey, I'm at least going if this is I might as well ask for the Hail Mary if we if we hear it. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's fourth and 20, and there's only 10 seconds on the clock. I might as well go for the Hail Mary because this is the only thing that can win us the game, slash, you know, make the relationship work because we're on the we're on the brink of divorce here.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Final Reflections And Sign-Off

SPEAKER_00

So everything, there's no point of just keeping it to myself. Like, hey, this is my this is my um when we talk to work. Hey, you may not like the my offer that I gave, but here's my way to go. At least I gave you one.

SPEAKER_04

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, it's like I can't have my girl being smutted out. Oh no.

SPEAKER_00

But also, so you'll rather be divorced and so you'll be rather be divorced and the brand crashes, and you don't know you you know it's stable here. We know that we get an income together, and we don't know what what is next for us and what the brand looks like if we do separate. We know what we have here, we can just be behind the scenes. Okay. That's that's fine. You know how many times I started over with. While you're not making money.

SPEAKER_04

Why would you wait? What? What you mean?

SPEAKER_00

Because y'all are divorced, and she's gonna have sex with another man anyway.

SPEAKER_04

So you're saying just stay with her and just keep the money flowing?

SPEAKER_00

I didn't say that. I'm saying giving the option. That's a possible like I said, it's a hell married. Whatever's on the table, we might as might as well at least give um, you know, throw the solution out there and strategize around it to see if that even is a possibility. Hey, let's make a plan and if and let's at least try to see not even execute, but plan it through to where it makes sense, to where you be like, yeah, that may be a good idea, but I can see where this is not gonna work because of all the conju names. So just go over it.

SPEAKER_04

Uh-huh. Um maybe you can uh slowly transition out of the thing. Right. I mean, whatever that looks like this cooking show and transition to her, whatever it looks like.

SPEAKER_00

And maybe that was on the table, but I'm at least giving the hell Mary because we don't know what the X factor is. We know what's here and what works for us and what has been for years. Yeah. But we are but if we go over here, and definitely for Desmond. I mean, because he wasn't the star of the show.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So hit I'm sh I don't know if they had different managers or whatever, or the different teams at the time, but now he has to go, he has to build his trust with another group of people, possibly. Yeah, so there's a lot of things that he's doing, a lot of expenses, because he lost the house, most likely. So, you know, so that's things that you expenses that you have to accrue there, accrue a team that y'all maybe have separately. There's a lot of things that, and it may not go well for him, because a lot of his viewership now is going to be, you know, there's gonna be some of support, some of hate, but eventually all that's gonna teeter down.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And so you can't just cook. I mean, you may be that phenomenal of a cook, and that may be your thing.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But that's not what worked for the brand, and you know what did.

SPEAKER_04

I mean, yeah. No, it's just just a decision that has to be made. I just can't see myself doing that. There's no way I could first of all, like I said, like the whole couple's pay, I'll probably never do that again. But um that just peace in general is just so important to me that I just cannot see me not being a hundred percent authentic with myself, not even my person yet, but just a hundred percent authentic with me. I can't see myself living in an environment and like kind of like. Faking it in a way to keep the money roll. I'd rather start over, man.

SPEAKER_00

But you was all you you was already faking it in the views.

SPEAKER_04

What you mean?

SPEAKER_00

I mean, cause the videos you you know I mean the video I mean it it but I'm sure there's times where the videos like bruh, this ain't hitting. You're already not being yourself because you already said that in your videos, you're a more hyped version of you. Yeah, right. So you you're doing it kind of anyway.

SPEAKER_04

In a way. Yeah. But that that's yeah, not not reality though. Reality is different for me, anyway. Yeah, like the a script or some shit in um in a movie or a scene or whatever, cool, but like just sitting there or just like eating my food or driving to get some subway or something, yeah. No, that that's gonna make my mind go crazy. So I I can't see, I can't see. I I can see some people faking relationships and stuff. I've seen that, and that shit worked for real. But I think that's only when I think that's only when I think there's two things. I think it's only when y'all really ain't together for real, like y'all never was, or two, there's a person in a relationship that's like, yeah, we gotta keep doing this a kid, but like that person is like really tearing the relationship down. It's the relationship is gonna fail. You know, the the the the business relationship as well as the the uh relationship in general. I've seen that fall too from some families that, like I said, grew, boom, peaked, and then you could tell who was who for real behind the scenes. It's like, no, we're gonna keep doing it regardless. And um, I just don't see it. I don't I don't see. I think he made um well, I think both of them, you know, had a uh just just did a the the best decision for them, except making out in the back of the club. Right, you kind of yeah, I mean it's it's funny like to see him get not necessarily praise, but kind of like you fucked up, but we still fuck with you, bro. Yeah like that type of right.

SPEAKER_00

I mean you're gonna yeah, I mean, nobody wants to see nobody get bullied on the internet, yeah. Like no, they was going in on his ass. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm yeah, I'm just saying at some point they're gonna start feeling bad. The only person I think that maybe didn't get that was Derek Jackson. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He got destroyed on the internet, but rightfully so because his job was destroying other men.

SPEAKER_04

It was destroying other men? Essentially. Or was he just the one saying, like, this is what you need to do in your marriage?

SPEAKER_00

I mean, uh the way you point out was as nice as he's ever been. Oh. Yeah, yeah. But he used to like men need to do this, men need to step up. And then when he did wrong, it's like, all right, you had no mercy for no other man. All right. He gave it, so we're having no mercy for you. Did he ever come back from that for real? Maybe he's I mean, he always, I mean, you're gonna have a following. Yeah, yeah. Everybody's gonna see the crash and burn, your viewership going go up, and then you go, he's gonna promote his book on yeah, yeah. So resilience. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, promote his book through the fire. Yeah, but then you're gonna have you're gonna have your cult fan base. There's I'm sure there's some people that hey, without you, I would have delete self-deleted myself. You know what I mean? So you're gonna have your little cult group for sure, and they're gonna look at it as what it is, is you know, like, hey, this was infidelity, people cheat. It happens, mistakes are are you know what I mean? So, so, but nonetheless, that was one I saw like, hey, he got like no mercy, no lifeline. Yeah, even when his you know uh his woman was online. I you know, I throw the blood of Jesus on you.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I do remember that they sat together. Yeah, yeah. And he Oh, there was plenty of memes that came out after that. Oh, yeah, right. And she was, yeah, that that yeah, that that looked sad.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. Everybody felt bad for her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, cause she was Are they still together? Uh, who knows? Yeah, yeah. But you know, she was like maybe six-ish. And then, but he was known as to be a good-looking muscular guy, football player. So it looked out of the league in a sense, to where she it looked like, you know, she probably loved, I mean, I mean, he did well on social media. I'm sure he did well financially. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he was carrying it. You know what I mean? So she was probably in denial in a in a sense. Like, hey, I ain't gonna get much better than this.

SPEAKER_04

Damn. Yeah. No, that I remember that shit. That shit was crazy. Yeah, a lot of people, it just seems like the the more that the more that you I will not force, but the more that you allow social media to be in your that's not even really where I'm going. I feel like the more that you try to look like the best couple you can look like, it's not usually in your favor in the end. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah. Right, right. Because you're you're never really yourself. And if you keep on portraying somebody else, that's who they're gonna think you are.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. And then I think it, yeah, then you might fall into the responsibility, which is which is all a facade. But all of a sudden, somehow responsibility is made somehow out of all that to keep this image up.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah. But we and it's successful. It's not like you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah. They a strong following. Yeah, when I saw the following, like, dang, I didn't know they had like nine million followers or whatever. Yeah, yeah. So that's so uh, and that's just across Instagram, let alone you know what TikTok is doing. I'm I'm sure it's probably bigger than that. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, yeah. YouTube, all those things. Facebook, yeah. They had to be making some money. Yeah, right, right. So, so I mean, hey, there was some viral shit she was doing.

SPEAKER_04

It's bajillions of videos.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04

That shit funny.

SPEAKER_02

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and and I can see where a man where that can be annoying. Yeah, like all that, yeah. You're like, hey, I gotta go with the flow again. Uh, you know, and I mean, and the longer you're with somebody, the less fine they get, in a sense. Uh yeah, because you you start to kind of see them more of their personality than than their looks. Of course, you can still see the beauty in them, but you know, and so it I'm sure to to to kind of be more lenient on on Desmond part is like, do you know there could be some you know not being appreciated for what he's being offering, somebody else is doing it, you know. So I can I can see that definitely happening. Yeah. Um because I mean it's just it's not easy to leave your wife and kids. Hell no. That's because you fail. In a way, yeah. Yeah, you you you there's no in a way you fail. You you gave an oath to God and you did not fulfill it.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, right, right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00

And then you gotta talk to your kids on why you chose to leave and why you left them. That is that is point blank failure.

SPEAKER_04

I mean, that was that was really aggressive.

SPEAKER_00

But it's the truth. You left them, he didn't leave the kids. You left the household.

SPEAKER_04

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

What I mean, I could spin it nicer. Yeah, yeah, I can spend it.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, the way you said it, it just sounded like, man, I'm doing my own thing.

SPEAKER_00

He definitely chose him.

SPEAKER_04

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And I'm not saying that it I do uh disagree, but you know, I'm not him. And that's also there, I mean, you've been together with four since you're 14. Right. You're gonna be naive to a lot of things, but you gave an oath to God. So regardless of the situation and when you thought they was new, it it is what it is, you know. So um, yeah, because now you're in a you're a single parent household at this point, at least. Yeah. Uh yeah. And the children need their father. And he said, I don't love it here. Yeah. So yeah, yeah. And then and so there's no way to really spin it for real. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. I mean, it may have truly seen. You would stay forever. Well, yeah, I think you already answered that. You would stay forever, even if you weren't happy.

SPEAKER_00

For forever, forever is is, I didn't say stay forever. You know, I didn't, um, I don't know what he went through. And I I would hope.

SPEAKER_04

I'm just saying you're simply just not happy. If I'm not there's no way to get happy.

SPEAKER_00

How many times how many times you heard, hey, we we stuck together until they went to college.

SPEAKER_04

I got that. But I'm saying you gotta um wait. No, but that still is on the point of them breaking up.

SPEAKER_00

Well, uh what I'm there, I'm saying the children need their father at definitely at the stage that they're in.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I'm still going on your point of oath to God.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, oath to God. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I'm saying if you ain't happy, there's nothing you've tried, there's nothing you could do to get happy.

SPEAKER_00

And and what I'm saying- Are you gonna divorce? And if I if I don't, if I if I don't, I fail, is what I'm saying. There's I'm not gonna sugarcoat myself. You're like, no, I did a good job for what I had at the moment. No, I failed. And I didn't forbid.

SPEAKER_04

But you're going to fail, is what you're saying. So you're going to divorce.

SPEAKER_00

If I divorce, I Are you gonna get the divorce if you're not happy?

SPEAKER_04

If if I'm not happy, so there's nothing that can make you happy.

SPEAKER_00

So I'm saying a miserable?

SPEAKER_04

Yes, you have a choice. That's you fail or you're miserable. Which one are you taking with this one life that you have?

SPEAKER_00

See, see, if that's like so such an unfair way to frame it. Nigga, this is your point. Your point. This is why I'm saying why it's unfair. Okay, is because I can't. Why why can't things get better? This is a person I chose to spend my life with. You were wrong.

SPEAKER_04

It is very clear.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I and I'm just miserable, I'm not gonna be miserable. You know what I mean? But hey, that hey, I do have the option to date other people while we in my she says no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, all right.

SPEAKER_01

All right, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You just gonna be miserable. If if if I'm miserable, then she's miserable and I don't want to be with nobody if we're both miserable together and we can't make it work. Then then divorce is on the table. Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You that that took a lot to get out of me, huh? That oath, man. I get it.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I know. But I made an oath to God and and I didn't I didn't fulfill it.

SPEAKER_04

It would take, yeah, no, it would take me a lot to um divorce somebody after marrying them. Because, you know, that that's the thing. It's just like, duh, this shit gonna be hard. Duh. Like, not necessarily, it's gotta be uh hard with no work, but um, yeah, yeah. I don't see my it would take me a lot. Like I would have to get broken up with for real. Yeah. Like if I, you know, yeah, if I um I don't know. Nowadays, I don't know. Yeah, being miserable ain't like fun. That shit ain't that shit ain't fun. And I haven't been miserable as a fucking 40 year old.

SPEAKER_00

Is that how old they are?

SPEAKER_04

Not them. I'm just saying, like when you're like really set in who you are, I don't see myself settling trying to like be miserable in those ages. Right. Or like I think I'd be way more if I knew for a fact this shit ain't working, or like it's not gonna work. I've tried over and over and all that. I could see myself probably divorcing then, but like in my younger years, I don't see me straight up like just saying, all right, I want to divorce from this woman, unless something crazy happen. Yeah, if I put a ring on somebody, I I it's a lot that goes into that. Right, absolutely. Yeah, like it the whatever we gotta go through. To me, I I'm not even thinking about an exit to this thing. So whatever happens, whatever, the the girl could be a crackhead tomorrow. I'm like, we're gonna have to figure this shit out. You know? But um, yeah, it would take a lot for me to divorce.

SPEAKER_00

Do you think that I think um so uh if you put yourself in Desmond's shoes, do you think there'll be any point? Okay, let me rephrase. Say if you want your family back, you realize, hey, you know, these streets ain't for me. I actually, you know, Christy was really the only person I really known like that, and that's a really I truly want to get back with her. Do you think you could announce publicly that you made a mistake? You yourself. Yeah, and just like, hey, I wish I had my wife back. This was actually a terrible decision. Yeah, I would do that.

SPEAKER_04

Okay, yeah, yeah. Um that that would suck for a while. Yeah, after you went through that whole thing, then you gotta deal with the aftermath, and uh there's a lot of shit you gotta deal with. But yeah, if I felt like that and I really fucked up and I made that mistake, because it's a public mistake. Then I got caught kissing a girl. You know what I'm saying? Now it's just we the talk of the town. Like I said, Instagram, this just Instagram that I'm talking about. Social media is boosting the shit out of them. Like everybody knows about their ass. So it is a very public thing. So yeah, if if I felt like, damn, I I fucked this up. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah. What y'all gonna do? Like tell me I'm a cheater. The worst is already kind of well, I would say the worst has been done. I think it would be even worse to want to get back something that you lost versus wanting to leave it. Yeah, that would probably be worse.

SPEAKER_00

But yeah, I would do that. Would you do it? Um I I'm stubborn. I think I'm probably more stubborn than you. I yeah, yeah. I'm trying to think of all the years, you're not really as stubborn as me. Uh-huh. I'm trying to think. How do you feel?

SPEAKER_04

Like if I am, it'd be like for one night, then I wake up and I'm like, I don't think I should do that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like a part of me would eat in it for a while. Yeah, yeah. But then I I would come to my senses and be like, you know what? This is me being stubborn. I need to I need to make this plea. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But but that but at that point it may be too late. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04

It definitely, yeah, things would definitely be different. Yeah, I would have to but I do believe it would be extremely strong if uh uh uh people in those situations were to revisit. I don't think it would be anything for real that could break that shit.

SPEAKER_00

Cause and that's what and like for for their relationship, and you know, you can look at it as cucking, you can look at it as whatever, but that's why I said like hey, separating and then coming back to later and to like revisit it is sometimes just a great thing. Because that one thing I was, you know, I was talking to our friend about, our close friend, and I was like, bruh, I know you love her. Hey, let her go, let her show see how the dating scene is, and she as like you're a phenomenal guy, she's going to come back because there's not a lot of guys like you. And so that's and I can attribute that with a lot. It's like, hey, see how cruel the dating market is, and you'll realize very quick if that person was you or it wasn't. So hey, y'all need to go separately. I know it's gonna hurt. Is it gonna feel bad that you see on social media with another guy and vice versa? But this, if it's truly, you know, if it's truly meant for y'all, then y'all come back together. Yeah, yeah. So I I think this could be something that happens. I mean, if he realized, like, hey, because even even for me, it's like, okay, I I I'm gonna be somebody who self is self-reflects on some of my decision making. And then when I do dating, I'm talking to other women, I was like, you know what? Her personality wasn't as bad as I thought it was, because there's a lot of women that do the similar things. And now I I if we was to get back there together, I would be more tolerant of that behavior. Uh-huh. Yeah, and and sometimes he Desmond may see the same thing, and it'd be like, all right, yeah. It seems like a lot of people are nagging about that similar thing, that one thing that just was pissing me off. You know, I've ran into three girls that are doing the same thing. So now I I can be a little bit more patient in that area. Oh, yeah. And since they've been together for so long, it's just, you know, some of that stuff builds up, and now when you're ready to leave, everything she does is times five. Facts annoying. Facts, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I it's really it just takes time to separate. Um who knows if they'll get back together. I wish they would, because for the kids' sake and for their parents' sake, and I, you know, given, you know, I don't know them, but I would imagine that, you know, of course, I haven't seen the evidence. So, you know, she could like, bruh, this is your 20th time. You don't care about me, hits you with a frying pan. You know what I mean? Yeah, it could be worse. But you know, from the evidence right now, this can be, you know, y'all can mend this for real. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it wouldn't be now.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I got you. Not not with the, like I said, uh what he wrote in there. Cause now y'all he meant that shit.

SPEAKER_00

Well, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You you see we all say things we don't mean. And I I wouldn't be surprised if they were sneaky linked together for uh, you know, um see out, hey, they're out with each other, or that drink drunk call one night, he come through. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, it'll be it may be a little bit of that too. Yeah, I I couldn't even imagine. I can't, I literally can't imagine it. Like um knowing somebody or being with someone since I was 14. Yeah. That's that's that's a long time ago. That's a long time ago. Even if they were married for what'd you say, 11 years, had to feel like that for more than that. Yeah. Had to. Maybe so. But what? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

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