Drake’s Iceman First Listen

We break down Drake’s three-project drop and argue about what makes Iceman hit or miss, from nonstop visuals to feature choices and replay value. The talk widens into fame, identity, and why credibility still matters when advice goes viral online. 
• first reactions to Iceman and the livestream rollout format 
• confusion for listeners who missed the teaser and found other projects first 
• debate over the Future track and what “club-ready” really means 
• Drake’s beef-era shots and why relationships in rap stay complicated 
• how splitting styles across three projects changes how we digest music 
• opinions on Drake’s genre experiments and where they rank for us 
• celebrity run-ins and the real cost of being ultra-famous 
• introversion, work personas, and how we manage social energy 
• creative dreams, school pivots, and building a career without the perfect plan 
• lyrical Easter eggs and why breakdown channels thrive 
• passion for building businesses and detachment from material stuff 
• Cheyenne Bryant controversy and the line between helpful and fraudulent 
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Transcript

Quick Welcome And Housekeeping

SPEAKER_02 0:00

And we are back with another episode of Two for the Culture. I'm Justin Devante. Stephen Ray. And we are back. Always don't forget to like, subscribe, share. Yeah, you don't got to do too much. Hype. What is the new one? Is that the new thing? Hype and something? Hype? Yeah, yeah. Like there's like a hype thing. I saw, I heard about. But yeah. All right. You want to get straight into it? Yeah, let's get into it. The

Iceman Drops And First Impressions

SPEAKER_02 0:29

long awaited. Long awaited. The most anticipated Iceman finally released. Yes, it did. Alright. On your first listens or listen? How many times have we been? Once. Once.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Yeah, once all the way through. It's 41 tracks.

SPEAKER_02 0:46

Oh, so you're talking about all three albums. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. And I was just speaking specifically for Iceman.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

Right, right, right. So I don't, you know, um, uh of course I'm a huge Drake fan. So I I was there as soon as he dropped the uh the episode, you know, the Iceman um uh quote live stream or whatever. Uh he dropped the other two or three, three last year or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

Oh, oh, dropped the other Iceman episodes last year. Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

Correct. So I I was uh in tune with those, and those were cool. They were like uh what did you check out yesterday's? Uh a little bit. Okay, so the other two, the other three, um, they were they were cool, but there was like a whole lot of dead space. And in this one, that shit was literally an hour and 15 minutes, an hour and 20 minutes of straight music videos. Like there's no no dead space at all. It's just music video, music video, music video, music. It's just like that, that was kind of cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

Um I did get to the point where I'm like, I think you should stop it. Like, yeah, it got to the point like, God damn. You know, uh, I was just overwhelmed. Like it was it's just like over stimulation. Um, but I loved it the the the the whole way through though. Okay. Uh yeah, that was

No Dead Space In The Livestream

SPEAKER_00 2:15

dope. Okay, so let me call him.

SPEAKER_02 2:18

Yeah, yeah, it's good. Yeah, so when I first heard uh well, let's back up. Like last night, I was 11 o'clock on the dot. You know, because you know it's it's released 11 our time because our central eastern drops 12. Right. Um, so I was like, There ain't no Iceman. Or at least, you know, so I'm thinking I had to download Spotify because I have YouTube music. And like maybe they get it quicker, you know, or something. And then so I was like, dang, no Iceman. So now I had to download Instagram again to see if he's like, you know, like, hey, Iceman on the way, you know, trying to get more information on where the album is. And then so um while that was downloading, I see like what is it called? Habidi or Habibi? Habibti, Habibi. I'm like And uh Maid of Honor. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, for the Habidi, that was the first album that dropped. Right. I was like, this don't look like Iceman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was like, maybe that's the Arabic meaning. So I Googled the meeting meaning and said, yours truly. Really? Or you yours truly, or it's some like dearly, or something like that. Okay. Um, so I was like, okay. So let me play. Maybe, you know, he changed the name last minute. I was like, okay, this definitely don't sound like Iceman.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, so now Yeah, that is a different perspective, actually, when I think about it. The difference between the people who watched that episode and the people who didn't. That is a total different um introduction to what he dropped. Because I would be fucking confused too. I'd be like, uh what's the yeah, so I I I get that. I get that.

SPEAKER_02 4:00

Yeah, so I'm like, this ain't really what I'm asking for right now. But you know, I'm going to now I'm gonna go on his Instagram and see. And then that's when he had all three of dropping this, dropping was the maid of honor, yeah, and then dropping Iceman. I was like, okay, now that makes more sense. So then shortly after, once I found that on Instagram, Iceman came. Yeah. I was like, okay, this is what I wanted.

Confusion Over The Surprise Albums

SPEAKER_02 4:27

Press play one, hard, yeah. All the way through. I the the one I really didn't really care for it, uh, is uh the worst one was the one with um uh what's the guy's name, Future. The worst one? Yeah, that was I think that was the worst track. Really?

SPEAKER_00 4:44

Yeah. I I'm I I wasn't uh the biggest I'm not usually nowadays anyway. I'm not usually the um biggest fan of when there are ways around what I'm about to say, but just bear with me. But like I'm not like usually sometimes the biggest fan of when a person bigs up themselves in the music, even though that's kind of like Drake does this a lot. But what I mean by that is in that song, it's like he's like, uh yeah, Iceman about to get wild or something or some shit like that. And he kept saying it over and over. And for a club record, I was just thinking, like, I don't see myself being in a club like saying, like, yeah, Iceman believe me. You know what I'm saying? That's like a you thing, like in your crib that you play for yourself.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

I got you. You get what I'm saying? I thought you said you do that.

SPEAKER_03 5:47

Okay, all right. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 5:50

Walks out and yeah, yeah. Yo lay mad be doing that. I'm like, okay, baby.

SPEAKER_00 5:55

No, no, no, no. But uh, but again, I'm I'm the biggest Drake fan ever. But like, um, that's the only part that I was thinking about about that that specific song. But but continue what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 6:06

Um, yeah, so when I when I first the first tracks leading up to the future one, uh we probably shouldn't know these names or look it up, but uh when I was looking when I was listening to it, I was like, bruh, this shit is hard non-stop. Yeah. Until I got to that joint. Really? That's crazy. Yeah, and then I like skip, then everything else was still hard.

SPEAKER_00 6:26

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 6:27

Yeah, so um I I love the album so far uh Iceman so far. I've I maybe haven't really dived into the last few tracks just because you you'll have it playing but not really focus in. But what I've truly heard is is really good. Yeah, yeah,

The Future Track Debate

SPEAKER_02 6:44

yeah. Of course he's taking shots at literally everybody. Yeah, as it's as shit.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

Um yeah, he don't fuck with nobody for real. Right. Yeah, like it's very apparent, like that shit is probably dead forever. Well, maybe, you know.

SPEAKER_02 6:58

Well, people get older and I think he he's cool with hit having his circle small at this point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, and he he don't need any of them. Goaded.

SPEAKER_00 7:07

He's already proved his point. It's over with. Yeah, yeah. He's officially like legendary.

SPEAKER_02 7:14

Because in in the in the beginning, since he he had such a stigma attached to him because he was Canadian, it had a soft, you know, and he song as well. And you know, then he was also, you know, was a mix. So he had a lot of stereotypes he had to get through. So a lot of like Wayne, Ross, they all certified him. You know what I mean? And then he reciprocated that with good music, and they always did well, good business, good music together. Yeah. But at this point, he don't need any of those guys.

SPEAKER_00 7:46

Uh no.

SPEAKER_02 7:47

Yeah, yeah. So I was like, what is the point of making amends when I don't Yeah, he doesn't need to. Yeah, yeah. Is it's like you already crossed, you already uh you already did me dirty, essentially. Uh-huh. And for literally no reason, most of these guys. Yeah. So there's no point of me trying to fix anything with you.

SPEAKER_00 8:06

Yeah. Um, I I yeah, after

Beef Fallout And Industry Relationships

SPEAKER_00 8:10

somebody just doing, you know, but he did, he hit up future though.

SPEAKER_02 8:16

Yeah, but those are those are relationship-based. Like he had a relationship with uh Savage, a relationship with Thug. All those have relationships with like an actual relationship. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, people that he really messes with that messes with future. So that they want, they wanna do, of course, they don't want to be like Switzerland, like, hey, I gotta play both sides. They would rather us come together because we're stronger together.

SPEAKER_00 8:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:44

Who Rick Ross, they then there's no other middleman. Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 8:49

Sometimes you gotta spank him.

SPEAKER_02 8:53

Uh Rick Rick Ross?

SPEAKER_00 8:55

Yeah, he keeps saying that. Like, sometimes you gotta spank him and get him in line or some shit like that.

SPEAKER_02 9:00

Uh no, I mean Rick Ross is hilarious. Oh, hilarious. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, yeah. But I mean, but it's still true. I mean, yeah, he doesn't need any of those guys. So I think the making amends was more so to satisfy a relationship. And he may have, of course, he I'm sure he liked a lot of them. Uh-huh. But um, yeah, I don't think what future he didn't feel like what whatever Future did would well nah, because Future had the song with Kendrick, which uh Future made a whole two albums.

SPEAKER_00 9:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's like I don't know. I don't know. But I feel like the streets need the streets need Drake and Future to fuck with each other, though.

SPEAKER_02 9:42

I I agree. And also to add on, there may have been something that Drake did to Future to where it warranted an attack. That that's a possibility too. Cause if if so if say if I stole your car, I'm just just saying something. You you dissed me or was mad at me or whatever, you punched me, you know what I mean? All those for me to come back to you, I was like, all right, that was my bad that I did that. Yeah. Your reaction was warranted. Uh-huh. And I'm going to come, even though you may beat my ass, I may still come to apologize because I was the person who was wrong, I was wrong. Uh-huh. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 10:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

You can see how that's possible though, right? Maybe. I'm just saying my example. Like it oh, so if I can even though you attacked me, but I wronged you first, nobody knew that I stole your car, but you knew it. You know what I mean? Yeah. So me, us coming together and working with each other, being friends, yada yada, that makes sense. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 10:48

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:49

I think I think that I mean, uh there are too many possibilities of how this thing could have went for sure. Uh from the public's eye, it just seems like it was just some some back and forth between him and uh uh uh what's the name? Future Drake? No. Uh Metro Boomin. Metro. Okay. Yeah. And then, you know, the future he was basically um the future is the the the baby of Atlanta Metro, DJ Esco. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, so to to not fuck with him, it's kind of like I'm gonna choose his side. But what I'm saying is I don't think anyone besides Kendrick, clearly, I don't think anyone went as far as Future did. Like Future and Metro. Like they had what was the name of the albums? We don't trust you. We don't yeah, we don't trust like the whole the whole marketing scheme, well the whole theme of it was it started off with uh the the the like that is it like that essentially like like that verse yeah or that that rollout which was from the we don't trust you which came from everybody dissing him at that specific time they they like stirred the shit out that pot. So and they and they featured everybody who didn't fuck with him like so. If I don't know, I just think the streets just needed uh Drake and Future together. It wasn't it could have I I feel like that song could have been a little better, but um yeah, they they need to make more music because Future is damn near like in the hood, they're similar, like they're they're melodic uh ways of their music and shit. Yeah, it's very uh they need to work together, right? Yeah, so I I'd be an advocate for that.

SPEAKER_02 12:47

Yeah, I also think that Drake compliments a lot of rappers. Drake compliments everybody, yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like Rick Ross, when they made they've never missed on anything when they made music together, right? They they pair well with each other. I'd rather see them make amends because they make great music. Yeah, it's anybody, yeah. Exactly. That's what has he not made great music with?

SPEAKER_00 13:13

I mean, I'm sure there's something out there. Right. Maybe you're going from Rick Ross to Yeet. Yeet, he just made a song not too long ago. It's like uh Molly make her dance with her ass out. Classic. I don't know about classic, but I'm just saying, like it doesn't matter who works with Drake. Like, yeah, it could be the the most uh uh uh uh uh uh I I don't know stoic type of um I don't know not not much wiggle room like content and then like I said somebody like Yeet who is just for the the the young culture with party and drugs and this day like he could go anywhere he can make anybody sound the I would I wouldn't say he could make them sound better but like it's just them the music is just better with Drake there yeah yeah with any and everybody from what I've seen.

SPEAKER_02 14:12

Yeah I got you he's like the the syrup to everybody the the syrup to everybody's waffle yeah yeah he makes it better yeah yeah I don't know why that just don't sound good or it just sounds crazy yeah it sounds like gay right yeah yeah yeah right it's like picture like a president it's just like they're the to the vice president like you know it's the syrup to my waffle just like yeah yeah yeah saying it to yourself yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that sounds crazy but yeah yeah yeah yeah um but that was the only analogy I could think of at that time that's but it but it makes it works it works I I caught I caught the the uh the the understanding of what I was trying to say yeah okay I caught

Three Drake Moods In Capsules

SPEAKER_02 15:00

that but um so you so you listen to all three projects yeah I listen to all three of them uh is there one you like better than the other so I'm really happy how I did it how I listened to it well first of all I'm gonna like it anyway just be honest um but my realistic point of view is I'm really glad how I listened to it because first I saw the the uh whatch the um the live stream and at the end of it right at it was an hour before uh 11 so at 10 at 10 um or at 11 yeah if you're on the east uh uh yeah the east coast uh he had three like hard drives or some shit and then he said he put all three of them down and it had a uh caption uh on top of the screen and then on the first one he said I made this and then he got the second one to make this and then and this and it said three albums drop tonight da da da so he announced it like an hour and something before oh okay right so we knew he we was getting three albums and um so this morning you know just like waking up and just just just just all the the the the downtime of where I can play music or whatever then I I played it through and I listened to I think Maid of Honor first.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

I was gonna listen to Iceman last regardless so because it wouldn't make sense for me to listen to Iceman first and then like the other one because then they're just the other ones now. You get what I'm saying? So I listened to the the other ones first them hoes got the the dance the the the Drake records the the the the the R and B the all that shit on it so out the gate all these hoes bumping and it's like some some stuff you could like vibe to dance to and shit like that so I'm like damn like that's the type of shit that I really wanted to hear in the first place um because sometimes you know with with people rapping it's like I I like a couple rap tracks and shit like that but if it's if it's a lot then it's kind of like I don't even know how to digest that shit all at once. You know what I'm saying? Well it's it's hard to digest anything all at once. But anyway so I listen to Made of Honor and then I listen to the Habibi or Habipdy thing and then uh one of them is a full Habibti I think that's a full RB album and the Maid of Honor is like a dance hall album um so and then the third one is Iceman which I didn't even know was like damn near full rap the whole thing is rap. So you got all three sides of Drake like in in three different capsules. So I really like the shit like you know you don't have to it's it's structured in a way to where you know for a fact nothing is too much because you could just go to the other album. You know what I'm saying? As soon as you like RB'd out like all right let me go over here and just take my choose another rap joints. Go over here take my choose another dance joints I want to get the vibe up. So I I like how it's split I like how it's split there is a lot of a rap on the on Iceman though. Oh yeah I it's gonna take me a long time to to to to go through that. Like I can't wait till Apple Music lets me able to click the lyrics thing so I could go through that shit.

SPEAKER_02 18:51

Because it's it's too fucking much yeah oh it's it's a lot but I I guess because I listened to RB so much that you know I I I was looking for some rap for yeah yeah yeah and this is where I really wanted from Jake I really wanted him to really go out with some some hype music somebody listen to some lyrical flows coming at some folks so that all that I was I was waiting for. I was uh so me getting it it was over my expectation for it oh for real yeah like I thought I was like ah there's gonna be some missus on here they're gonna come at him you know I mean like I like for for after the Kendrick I guess I'm an under underdog guy because you know I was you know enjoy Drake's music um but I'm for more a Kanye West fan but after that like I felt like the the system was coming at Drake I was like that made me root for him a lot more and and want him to win. Uh-huh yeah um so so I really really want him to win so I was like this may be like some hit or miss joints you know and then when I was hearing it when I from from first listen I was like I've I haven't heard an album in a minute to where the first listen was like oh dah this is this is it.

SPEAKER_00 20:13

Yeah yeah for sure and I I listen to all three albums I feel the same on all three of them. Wow yeah so it's you know again I am like a big Drake fan I like different type of music and stuff like that. So um but all three of them even if there was skips or this and that you know there's always like something like on the hour you might skip something. But um or after you find your favorites and shit you settled in to like I'm listening to one four seven nine ten. Yep. I just know for a fact I'll listen to all that shit one time like I'm gonna be listening to this shit for a while. And it's three of these motherfuckers. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:56

So yeah I just think the to think that you know the rappers like the ASAP Rockies the Rick Ross you know the Kendricks all the guys who came after at one moment how they have to like damn I gotta listen to this nigga you know for a little everybody know they that's that was coming. Like I'm just saying you know it's true and it's like you can hear it like I was I think it was Boosie he's like bruh you know I'm going to my barber and they playing the music I'm going to my mechanic he's like bruh they ain't nowhere around missing this so they gotta listen to this for a Debner all of May for the rest of May.

SPEAKER_00 21:35

I wonder what tracks though because like when I think about radio hits I don't know which one's a radio hit. Yeah but that who cares that's what the whole he always has like for all the dogs what was on for all the dogs I'm saying the people choose the hit at this point. Yeah but I'm saying you know like in terms of like radio and shit. Like I don't know What would be on the radio?

SPEAKER_02 22:01

They gon' they're gonna play what the people want to play. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 22:05

I'm saying what would you think from just listening to Iceman Alone?

SPEAKER_02 22:08

I don't I don't really I mean my my favorite shack show right is Janice STFU. Yeah, that yeah. I mean there's a lot of joints that they're gonna play it because the people gonna want to hear it. So whatever's popular.

SPEAKER_00 22:25

I mean it's only been out a day, so like yeah, I I can't even fully wrap my head around all of that shit. It's a lot, it's a lot on there, and it's concise, it's cool, it's cool. I I really fuck with it. And and yeah, Iceman.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

Do you have a

Drake Experiments And Album Preferences

SPEAKER_02 22:40

favorite project?

SPEAKER_00 22:42

On all three?

SPEAKER_02 22:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:45

That's hard because it's three different vibes. And they're all good for what it for what they're for.

SPEAKER_02 22:52

How did you feel about that one? Um, the one uh like it wasn't dance hall, it was uh bounce music that he tried to do. Or all the girls in front of the city. No, no, no, no, no. I'm talking it was a project that he did. Oh, honestly never mind? Yeah, yeah. How did you feel about that? I fucked with it. Yeah, okay. I was just trying to gauge where you would. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_00 23:13

Yeah, that's why I keep saying, hey guys, I'm a Drake fan. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:17

I really fucked with the shit. I didn't care for Honestly, Nevermind. A lot of people did. Oh, and I didn't care for more life.

SPEAKER_00 23:24

I think you should go back. Okay, okay, okay. I think you should go back. There's a couple on there. You know what I'm talking about? Nope.

unknown 23:33

Damn.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

Yeah, you should go back. There are the I I understand why people say that about more life. Uh, I've heard that before. Those are the main two that I hear. More life and uh Honesty Nevermind. Honesty Nevermind is probably at the top of uh a lot of people's lists that they don't they don't they wouldn't put that in their their catalog of Drake.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

And yeah, and not only he he dropped it after Beyonce dropped hers and she killed it. Oh no, that was one of the best albums. Renaissance I've ever heard. Yeah, exactly. So then you do your own, you do your own version of that, and I don't know, who cares? No, I'm just saying, but I'm saying you dropped it the following month. It's not and so we're gonna compare it based off of the the the music genre itself.

SPEAKER_00 24:25

Oh, I didn't.

SPEAKER_02 24:27

I didn't do that. Yeah, I didn't do that. This is what you dropped, and this is you know what I mean? This is better sounding music of the same genre that you're doing. I'm listening to this.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

Yeah, I can well I don't know. I I I didn't even look at it like that. I just looked at it as um when I heard it, I just knew for a fact he was trying to expand. Like uh it's kind of like um Chris Brown when he did uh I think it was royalty.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

It was some album where it was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

Yeah, it's he had a bunch of like I know the song you're talking about, but that's that was hard. Huh?

SPEAKER_02 25:06

That was a hard song. Yeah, that song, the Yeah, three times. Yeah, what three X? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:11

Um yeah, and he started doing all that, which uh you could just tell, like they're they're trying to break barriers or the barrier of of where they are right now.

SPEAKER_02 25:21

So um what? Oh no, I was just trying to open my laptop back up, but oh okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:29

But um yeah, other than that, no, that's that's that that shit was that shit was really that shit was really cool, and the rollout itself was crazy.

SPEAKER_02 25:38

Okay. Um so more so you there's no project that you don't like from Drake.

SPEAKER_00 25:44

I don't like yeah. That's I can't say that. Oh, okay. Yeah, I can list maybe the order or whatever, but like yeah, yeah. Something that I don't fuck with, nah. I I can't

Meeting Stars And The Cost Of Fame

SPEAKER_00 26:00

I can't fully say that. Oh, okay. Yeah, the uh but my least Would you pass out if you met this man? Not just out. I don't know. I don't know. Rob said he met him. Oh, Rob was actually in his uh music video. Oh yeah. Uh what no, Rob was in sexy red music video. Oh yeah, and he was in that video.

SPEAKER_02 26:20

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:20

Yeah, so he met him. He was like, bruh, this nigga ain't real, bro. He was like, this man's just AI. I don't know how uh how else to digest what's going on right now. He's just AI and that's just it. Yeah, so for me, I uh yeah, it would be crazy to meet this nigga. That shit is fucking wild. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I I thought about that one time when I was talking when I was um thinking if I would have well, I never even think about these things, but it was one time I was at um an event and then Chris Brown just like walked past me and it just like it's like preezy. I didn't even try to say this. But you said it randomly. Oh God. That nigga didn't look at me another, he just like he kept going. Yeah, that's right. But it was Chris Brown walking into a flooded event, like niggas is looking at you like he gotta get to where he gotta go. Yeah, right, exactly. Yeah, but this shit was random as fuck.

SPEAKER_02 27:24

I'm just I'm just standing here, he's like, let me get a napkin from my nose real quick.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

Oh, that's fine. But um, nah, he just yeah, he just he just like dipped real fast. So I'm like, I just said that shit out of nowhere. And I look at myself like, wait a minute. Yeah, yeah, right. I'm a I am a fan, huh? Yeah, and I was like, where'd I get that from? I was like, oh shit, I've been listening to this nigga since you know, like fucking I'm middle school and shit like that. So like it just came out in that one moment, yeah, yeah. So I don't know, I don't know. I'm I might it depends on the mood, the vibe, what what I got going on. Yeah, yeah. Hopefully it ain't just like that though. Hopefully it's like uh Drake might be here, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:09

Hey, let me know he's coming so I can get it settled. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

Right. You know, just picture you just walk in the elevator and there's Beyonce, like I don't belong with this elevator, I'm gonna take the stairs.

SPEAKER_02 28:25

This is too much. What the fuck? Yeah, yeah. Uh nah, that is hilarious. That is actually somewhat scary to have that level of fame, too. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, yeah. To where people want to come up and to that has to be somewhat annoying too. People just want to come up to you, speak to you, shake your hand, take your picture. It's a once-in-a-lifetime. Yeah, for them for everybody. And you gotta, yeah, that you gotta be on your A game all the time. That has to be like the worst. I can, I couldn't, I could not imagine that shit. Yeah, yeah. Nah, I'll be having uh little the uh the ski mask joint, uh Hawaiian ski mask. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And just be walking around with that.

SPEAKER_00 29:08

I'm sure people do crazy shit just to feel normal. Like um Michael Jackson would like have his different disguises that he would go out with. Yeah, yeah. Some of them hoes was hard. That shit was cool. Yeah, some of them look like an actual person and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 29:25

Yeah, no, that's crazy. Like he got lazy after a while. It's like that's Michael's. Right, right. Yeah. Picture he had to uh go to go to a grocery store. He had to pay actors to go to the grocery store. Oh. Huh? That's crazy, right? He had to pay actors? Yeah, to go to to to assimilate a a normal grocery shopping experience. What do you mean? He had to pay actors. Uh people were paid to just be in the store acting like they're shopping. While he went to the grocery store.

SPEAKER_00 29:59

Crazy. You saying like an empty grocery store.

SPEAKER_02 30:04

Yeah, no, it uh a grocery store with food, actual grocery store, picture it's shut down for Michael Jackson. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 30:13

So it's uh yeah, so from 8 to 845.

SPEAKER_02 30:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

I'm gonna hire some niggas in there just to act normal.

SPEAKER_02 30:21

Right. I mean, I don't know what in detail Michael Jackson knew, but that was set up for him to have he had to know because nobody's nobody's coming in and screaming at him. So he had to know that this is like set up for you. So he's talking to the people next to him and they're trying to like not engage because it's Michael Jackson.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

What the fuck? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wonder, I wonder if they said like you're gonna be in a music video, just don't never came out.

SPEAKER_02 30:51

Picture you want to pay actors, he's like, hey, how are the grapes? He like you trying not to scream, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 30:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're fucking too Michael Dress. Get him out of here.

SPEAKER_02 31:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No. Exactly. So that's just a level of fame that you know I couldn't, I don't want to have. You know, for a day, it's it'll make me feel cool to get that, but yeah, after that, I'd be like, I'm so exhausted. Okay.

Introvert At Home Extrovert At Work

SPEAKER_02 31:20

Because I was talking to one of my co-workers, and I'm like, I'm a uh I'm an introvert masquer around, masquerading like an extrovert. Oh uh. Yeah, yeah. It's like I'm really be keeping to myself for real. But but the way I work and act here, you couldn't, you wouldn't know. Uh-uh. Uh-huh. Yeah, because I I I bring some energy to it. I I don't want to say a lot, but I bring some energy to where I try to make it enjoyable and fun, to where it's like, hey, they look forward to having me the next day. Yeah, yeah. So but in doing that, and also I enjoy I I love the people I work with, but um outside uh of that I'll probably do it anyway. But yeah, so that's but that's not that's an element of who I am, but you couldn't tell that if you were there, you would think that you know I'm very charismatic wherever I go.

SPEAKER_00 32:15

Yeah, yeah. I can see I can I I can kind of see that in a way. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I'm like that when I'm working. Yeah, okay. I don't think so. Like what do you what do you think? I'm for uh every job I've had there there will always eventually be somebody that I will eventually have a friendship with or somebody who I like click with or whatever that eventually I'll come to work and then you know crack jokes here and there or some shit like that. But for the most part, I feel like I look like the I my aura is like don't talk to me. Yeah, not that I try to, but yeah, maybe I just don't want to be there that bad that it just shows.

SPEAKER_02 33:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause and I think at my work I'm more self-deprecating, like, oh, I don't know what I'm doing sometimes, you know, and uh like to make it funny to humble, be more humble. I don't do that outside of work at all, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't yeah, I don't think I do. I I think I come off more like smart like a smart ass more than anything and I uh outside of work. Oh uh but while I'm working, it's more self-deprecating and like you know, I'm one one of you guys and type shit. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. But in reality, I'm better. I never think that way, and I never feel that way. But I could see how like how me being a smart ass outside of here could somebody can perceive that.

SPEAKER_00 33:57

Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. Just because it's a difference. You can see the difference.

SPEAKER_02 34:02

Yeah, I can feel that and how I move. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Cause I have no need to self-depre self-deprecate to somebody who's randomly walking down the street. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 34:14

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why I'm like that. Nah, I think I I thought, I thought, quickly thinking, I thought like Race of City had something to do. It had it has something to do with it nowadays. But back when I was working in McDonald's and all that, I was the same. I was the same. Until I I think, no, I've always been like that, actually. Now just think about it. Yeah, I've always been like that. Uh yeah, like in school and all that, I would be just to myself until it's somebody who I really know and then now I can like be myself.

SPEAKER_02 34:49

So when people

SCAD Dreams And The College Pivot

SPEAKER_02 34:50

from high school uh but they knew you were making videos in high school because you made them then.

SPEAKER_00 34:55

Uh uh. Well you mean it wasn't a grand scale.

SPEAKER_02 34:58

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 34:59

Yeah. Okay. It was it was uh uh me and Lloyd. It's like it's weird. It's like people knew of us, but we weren't popular. We weren't like the popular kids. Okay. I was I was a little bit more um I was a little bit more in the mix with uh like the the basketball players and stuff like that. Um but yeah, people people knew of us, but not not necessarily like we were just popular kids.

SPEAKER_02 35:32

Okay, I got you. So they at least from my experience, it could be different.

SPEAKER_00 35:36

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 35:36

Okay. Well, and and also you went elementary to middle school all pretty much with the same group of people from motherfuckers?

SPEAKER_00 35:46

From middle.

SPEAKER_02 35:47

Okay, yeah, yeah. So everybody knew who you were, you know what I mean? Essentially in high school. Man, so I mean, not like I'm I'm saying, yeah, exactly. I'm not saying literally everybody, but like your class is the same class you pretty much grew up with for the most part. In a way, yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, so that's yeah, which I'm sure that was comforting to a certain lady.

SPEAKER_00 36:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's why I went to MT. Oh, okay. Yeah, I I I went to U of M for two years. And it was summertime. Had to be 20, it had to be like 2012, some shit like that. But it was summertime. And Tate was in the car. Blake Moore, he didn't do it though. It was Tate, Blake Moore, I think I was the only one. It was a couple of us in the car. And Tate went to MT at the time, and I was at U of M. And uh somebody just had ideas like, yeah, I wouldn't mind going to MT. Yeah, me either, yeah, me either. And I was like, damn shit. It would be nice to be around, you know, the people that I grew up with, and you know, all this shit. Cause by then I was checked out mentally. At U of M? Or was this? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, I was I was all I was checked out.

SPEAKER_02 37:04

Because you was pretty much a U of M by yourself, essentially with your core friend groups.

SPEAKER_00 37:09

Nobody was core there. Maybe, maybe PJ, maybe no, Blake More. I think Blake More went. Yeah, but like it wasn't to UT. That that sounds familiar. Yeah, I think he went to UT. Yeah. Well, somebody went there, and it wasn't like we we didn't really cross paths like that.

SPEAKER_01 37:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 37:30

Um, but yeah, I didn't have I didn't have uh a super close friendship with people there. Uh some people went to school, went to went to uh Craig Mont that that went there. Oh, okay. But this is U of M. So like a lot of some people, you're gonna find out somebody. Exactly, for sure. Right. But um, yeah, I was checked out mentally. I I was fucked mentally honestly going into college. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, I I was fucked because I was supposed to go to SCAD. I don't even know what that is. SCAD Savannah College of Art and Design. So me and Lloyd was doing videos in in uh uh uh uh uh in high school and they started to get like a couple views or whatever. This is before yeah, right at the end of high school is when we started to do like the the us stuff, like the world star videos, and then we actually started getting traffic and shit like that. And we had something going, and both of us got accepted into Savannah College of Art and Design. And and I didn't know it until a little later um that the tuition wouldn't be covered, so and everything would have to be out of pocket. I got in, which is not like um like everybody can't get in there, right? You know, so you gotta be like creative mind and like this and that. So I got in, so that was an accomplishment. I'm like, okay, cool bet. I thought I was gonna be making um effects and shit for movies like Avatar. Avatar just came out, shit like the Transformers. I don't know if you remember, but like we was doing Transformer shit.

SPEAKER_02 39:12

He was making the video, and and y'all y'all love that. That was like your proudest moment for back then, and I'm looking at it like this shit sucks. Yeah, but but y'all love it, I'm sure it's difficult, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's too fucking funny, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:30

That's hilarious, but um, yeah, it wasn't like funny or anything, but the the the we yeah, we put tape in an Iron Man suit. I made that shit clicking buttons shit took days, weeks. Yeah, that made that shit, made them fly. Yeah, and the man, that shit was just it was just we were just on some different shit than everybody. Um, and it it was showing anyway. So, you know, we got accepted into there, found out that I had to pay all the tuition or whatever, and I'm like, fuck, don't got that. Um, and I didn't know it till the last minute that I was gonna go to U of M. I didn't I had no intention of going to U of M. I mean, shout out U of M. But like I had no intention, I had no, I, you know, that was like the last one on the list. And it was like, hey, we we still got room for you. Right, right. I was like, all right, and then I went there and mentally I'm I'm I'm starting to be checked out because like the the views are going up. Like me and Lloyd, we keep linking up or whatever, and I'll drive to Vandy, Vanderbilt, where he went to. Views going up. Now we on World Star. Now we get more and more views, and it's just like my my my my um mind was not attached to that. I I went from about to go to work on movies and effects and all this to social studies. Like, I'm not I my mind is not here like at all. And um, yeah. So then Tay was like, Hey, you know, we're gonna I'm I'm at MT, and they had just did find an emo, or some shit at MT, uh MTSU did the effects and all that stuff there. I didn't know that. Yeah, so I was like, damn, they got that there, whatever. I'll just go there. Maybe I'll get a spark. But I kept climbing, and then I think I met you at that time frame or whatever, and then you saw, like I I kind of had some shit going.

SPEAKER_02 41:23

Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of stuff that you had going.

SPEAKER_00 41:25

The the bad girls club thing. I was in the music, Josie came around and like all this other shit, and it was like I was even more checked out, yeah, but I was at least inspired and happy when I was there though. Yeah, right. So that shit didn't. I don't know how we got there.

SPEAKER_02 41:41

No, no, we just we just talking, you know, it's a podcast. We I was

Lyrical Easter Eggs And Breakdown Culture

SPEAKER_02 41:45

like, we ain't a music podcast, so we go and get hey, did you like Drake's? Uh you liked it what one out of ten or nine out of ten or one to ten. How do you feel? So fun. That's hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't do it.

SPEAKER_00 41:57

How about we I'm one of those Drake fans. It's the same way for me every single time. Usually he drops, and I'm like, yeah, it was cool. You know, I kind of thought like some of these could have been better, but three weeks later, I know every word to this moment.

SPEAKER_02 42:09

Okay, so uh as that was an amazing first listen.

SPEAKER_00 42:12

I'll say that.

SPEAKER_02 42:13

Okay, so oversatisfied, satisfied, mid trash. Satisfied. Okay, so you're not oversatisfied.

SPEAKER_00 42:19

That's the three weeks from now.

SPEAKER_02 42:20

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 42:22

Yeah, I I'm here, and then it just started swaying in the man. I this track was way more buffer than I thought. It was damn this other damn, he said this. He said that. He took a lot of shots at uh hove, didn't he?

SPEAKER_02 42:36

I heard those I heard a couple of them hoes in there. I didn't I didn't I didn't listen to it to to keep it in mind, and it didn't sit out with you know it's so the the man, he's so fucking smart and it's so natural, like it don't even sound like he's saying nothing.

SPEAKER_00 42:56

The man said he said, we see how you boys rock him, the jig is up.

SPEAKER_03 43:02

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:04

And I don't even know how I caught it. I was like, there's no way I'm gonna know everything he's saying on this album. There's no way. He said that shit just like it was nothing. And that and there are way more blatant things that he's saying. And I'm like, if he's saying some shit like that, how the fuck are we gonna get everything? Like Right, yeah. Yeah, we see how you boys rocking the jiggers up, man.

SPEAKER_02 43:30

Yeah, I I gave that to the the people who do this for a living. Oh god. Yeah, yeah. The people they'll they're they're gonna have something next week that has full breakdown of Easter egg. Thank you for even saying that.

SPEAKER_00 43:42

I'm looking that shit up. Yeah, I used to do that. Yeah, when the Kendrick and Drake beef was going on, that was one of the favorite things to do. I'm definitely looking people up. Yeah, yeah. So Yeah, hopefully, hopefully they they actually go on.

SPEAKER_02 43:56

What is it called? What the beat? Is it what the what's the dirt? Does a lot of um like breakdowns like that. He did a really good Kendrick breakdown on each song when they did their beef. And he did before that he had good breakdowns of things you probably missed. And he's really dives deep deep into it. You can tell he he loves it. And you know, of course, he made that his career. So, you know, he also gets paid to do it as well. So he's, you know, I'm sure he's putting 50 hour work weeks. The work, you know, the business with the love when that meets. Oh, facts. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's it's a different level. So so he he does a great job, and that's kind of who my go-to is for uh the break the lyrical reviews and the uh Easter eggs and you know so that's the and that that is a bar as well.

Loving The Grind More Than Stuff

SPEAKER_00 44:45

It's like the business and doing what you love. That's that's very important to me for sure. I can't even like there there are so many ways to like get money and and to evolve and shit, but like I cannot put myself into something that I don't love doing. Cause I I can't I can't like for instance the Racosilly shit, like I I'm running that shit till the gas go out, to the bike tires stop, to the scooter wheels fall off, and my legs hurt, and then the ankles don't even you know it's like I love it so much, I cannot stop doing this thing. So it's like in terms of um I read something one time, it was like um, you know, you choose what you uh struggle with in a way. Like if you don't wanna like if you want to get this there are good and bad days with everything. Like, what are you good with having a good day and a bad day?

SPEAKER_02 45:48

You know, so that's that's very real. And I've come to find out about myself is that in terms of I like when you talk about you love, you know, special effects and all that, that creativity size of making videos and things like that. There's nothing besides football that I truly love like that. Like I love the You sound like you just said it. So what I said besides football. Like, like I like I go out of my way to watch football. There's not outside of people, of course, but um outside of that, there's not much I go out my way for. Um and I've realized that I more so love business as a whole. Like I love building things, learning how to create and make more and build it up and things like that, then it could be literally anything. Like I I've I've real like even like my job, like trying to just learning the aspect of build uh of the business, you know, to do my job better, I enjoy that. Yeah, it's like uh because I was like, why do I care? You know, like like there's a there's a difference between like, you know, you want to make sure you take your work seriously, yeah, but I'm over caring.

SPEAKER_03 47:05

Oh right.

SPEAKER_02 47:06

Yeah, yeah. I'm caring as the business as a whole, and like I'm looking at the huge scope of things, and I can't help it. Like I can't, you know, not like hey, just do your job and go home. I I can't do that for some weird reason. Yeah, and I never could when it's something I cared about.

SPEAKER_00 47:23

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:24

Yeah, when I work. So, and I'm looking like, dang, I actually I'm I I'm asking more questions than necessary, like, bruh, just you know, just uh manage the people. I'm like, bruh, what about, you know, did you, you know, are we uh how can we grow from here? You know, can we do this even though it didn't make me more money, but I wanted to see it grow. It it was it will make you more money, yeah, for sure. And I just realized that I'm just I just passionate about it. But and I could literally, but then if you when I talk about my mentor when the man helped my manager, like his his his uh business is his baby. He would hate to sell it to somebody else. For me, it's business. All right, I'll build something else. Oh god, you can have it.

SPEAKER_00 48:08

I I'm not at least if I'm yeah yeah, I I agree with well you can you can keep going.

SPEAKER_02 48:12

I I'll I'll like even when I gave Tate the Lambo, uh we call it this the focus, the old white joint. Uh-huh. I I didn't have any sentimental value to it.

SPEAKER_03 48:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:23

Yeah. All right, you can recognize week. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 48:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:28

It didn't hold any sentimental, even though I had it for years. Right. You know, yeah. So it's it's weird how I just don't have attachment to things.

SPEAKER_00 48:37

I don't either. Yeah. I don't think I do. Yeah. Yeah. I've started over like three times as well. So it'll it'll do it to you.

SPEAKER_03 48:46

Right, right, right, right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:48

Yeah, no, I've done that shit a few times. And that everything is just material. I do love nice things. I do love nice things. And watching that fucking thing yesterday, that live stream, there are there there are more levels that uh there is to hit for sure. Like the type of cars he was showing off and uh this and that, like it's just the the access. You know, like I I I see that. I feel that. You know, I need that I I need that.

SPEAKER_02 49:24

Yeah, that's that's that's cool. That's not what inspires me. No, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:30

I mean, that's you can take inspiration from that.

SPEAKER_02 49:31

No, yeah, yeah. I'm just saying for me, yeah, yeah. Like those those are you know, seeing the nice things, you know.

SPEAKER_00 49:37

Oh, well, that's not what I meant. Oh, okay. Oh, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I agree with what you're saying, like fullheartedly. Like, if I have my uh dream car tomorrow, to me, like the accomplishment isn't necessarily the having the dream car for years to come or whatever. Like for me, it's an internal thing of getting it. Does that make sense? Right. Accomplishing this task and then shit, like like you said, like if that sh if I wreck that motherfucker tomorrow and it's gone, like it, you know what I'm saying? That I can get whatever else. Like, I'm not I'm not attached to these material things in this world. Like, I'm so happy, it's so crazy. Like, I've I've I've it's been a long ass time to get to the point where I'm at today, but I know for a fact I'm genuinely a happy person, and I do so much to make sure that I'm a happy person. Right. Uh yeah and it's it's like yeah, the cars that the this or the the nice high rise with the like it ain't gonna do it for me. Like all that shit is inside. I would like to experience these things though. But at the end of the day, yeah, that's one thing I I learned um just to further my point. It ain't about the car or the the the play. That's just like uh a nice toy for Christmas, you know, that you're gonna play with and then eventually it's gonna get old. Everything always gets old. Right, right, right. So yeah, I don't have attachments to things, but it'd be nice to accomplish a certain amount of things.

SPEAKER_02 51:14

I did want to touch on one subject, um, and we don't have too much time.

Cheyenne Bryant Credentials And Accountability

SPEAKER_02 51:19

Um Cheyenne Bryant. Are you familiar with her?

SPEAKER_00 51:21

Uh yeah, yeah, yeah. I just I literally just saw some meme in yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 51:30

Okay, so so uh Dr. Cheyenne Bryant, um, she's been known a lot because she was known to be a self-coach. How people thought who she was, it was a therapist. That's how essentially she was kind of presented, and then you know, saying, Hey, I'm a doctor. She's coming on these, you know, different videos. Nick Cannon's podcast is the first time I think I've seen her Cam Newton's podcast, you know, just kind of giving advice, getting interviewed, or you know, so she's digging into Nick Cannon's like, she's like, hey, you cannot, you you're doing wrong by having these babies out of wet, like yada yada, you know, and just kind of on own them for real, and gave really good advice. Um, and I think was somebody like the guidance that you would give is something that you should take. But now, you know, people are coming on the internet and saying she's pretty much a fraud, um, and saying that her she's not a true doctor and she's not a therapist. That's what I saw today, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:35

And so going in, like posting and like publicly expressing their opinion, people people with with the emotion.

SPEAKER_02 52:44

Right. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. So the thing is, so she says she's not a therapist. So with the licensing and things, she's not a therapist. But she has said whether it was uh an interview, she said she was like as a therapist, she would say in some of her interviews. Whether you're just saying that just kind of colloquially and not really meaning like a true doctor or therapist, um, or how you be you can be an atheist and say, Oh my god. You know what I mean? Or something along those lines. Like I'm really giving her grace, trying to. But uh, but nonetheless, she's used those terms. So she has definitely essentially lied about being a therapist. And so she clarified like, um, I never said I was a therapist, which you did. And then she was like, Um, you know, I'm like a help coach, life coach, yada yada, yada. Um, and because they couldn't find her like her degree, her doctorate degree. And the the place to where she uh got the degree from is closed. And she said, I can't, since it's closed, essentially I can't get I can't get it.

SPEAKER_00 54:01

Or showproof. Oh, right.

SPEAKER_02 54:03

Yeah, yeah. So now that's been a whole spill about, oh, she's lying, she's fake, get there, the epithet.

SPEAKER_00 54:09

She's not a doctor.

SPEAKER_02 54:10

Huh?

SPEAKER_00 54:11

So she's not a doctor?

SPEAKER_02 54:13

She says she's a doctor, but not a therapist. So what is she a doctor? She's how does that I mean you can be a I mean you can be a doctor in literature. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can be you they also give honorary doctorates to people as well. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. So you uh whatever you accomplish, you can actually really accomplish nothing to actually get one. Uh right. Yeah, yeah. Because Erica Kirk was an honorary doctorate, but her husband just passed away. So why did you give her a doctorate? Oh. Doctorate for what? Exactly. Nothing. It I mean, you're because your husband died. You know what I'm saying? It's the honorary doctorate. I don't know. I don't know what honorary doctorate say. I don't know if it says bachelor in science. You know, like yeah, I have no idea. You know what I mean? I don't know what it yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just honor a doctor, essentially. Right. Yeah, so you can get it for, you know what I mean, literally nothing.

SPEAKER_00 55:11

I hear a lot, uh, what a lot. I I've tall I s I've seen two posts. One of her talking and wondering why she popped up. And then two was uh somebody, somebody uh who I follow, and then she was just like kind of going in on her because her mother was a doctor and was like, damn, all these people that have done all this work or something like that to to get this um to go through what they had to go through to make sure that they confidently say that they're a doctor and all that. Um basically saying like that's a slap in their faces or whatever. And I literally just saw that that clip like an hour ago. I wonder how she feels about Dr. Dre.

SPEAKER_02 56:01

Yeah, yeah, or Dr. Seuss. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. She must hate them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:08

That's a nice, that's a nice flip to that.

SPEAKER_02 56:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:11

Oh, yeah. Uh definitely not seeing a new Marvel movie for sure.

SPEAKER_02 56:15

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Doctor Strange, yeah, yeah. He's lying about me. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. So it's too many, yeah, too many doctors. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Just fraudulent. I had lied out, yeah. You know, so I um there's I wish we had more time, but I would have uh I I think well, of course, lying is not the way that you move because now you're gonna destroy your credibility one way or another, and there should be proper punishment for that. You don't want even though I think she is great at what she does, and I there is a place for her because I think she's actually making society better, but we can't reward, you know, fraudulent behavior if that's the case. You know what I mean? Like I I want to give grace, I wanna give the exception, but that's not fair. That's only encouraging the same thing and the misuse.

SPEAKER_00 57:12

But it seems that there it has not been proven. Right?

SPEAKER_02 57:17

Uh she's not a therapist. She said that and has said she was a therapist in the past. Like she's literally as a therapist, yada yada. So, yeah, she may be a uh maybe actually doctor in something, uh-huh, but it's not in whatever, you know what I mean, therap psychotherapy. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 57:38

So what if, what if, I mean, she's just still good at it. Like, what if a nigga didn't go to basketball tryouts and shit, but he could still get up with everybody in the game?

SPEAKER_02 57:48

Do you remember Dr. Love?

SPEAKER_00 57:49

Dr. Love?

SPEAKER_02 57:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:51

Sounds familiar.

SPEAKER_02 57:52

Dr. Love was a kid. Yes. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did he look like the fish off SpongeBob? A little bit. Yeah, yeah. But he was an OBGYN with his own practice as well. That's fucking crazy. His own building given actual medical advice. All right, now he's wild. Bruh, I was like, who too bad he's acting like, right? Young, young black dude. Yeah, yeah. It's like, bruh.

SPEAKER_01 58:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:21

First of all, I don't know how to do that now. How do you secure funding for a building, for a place, and started your own practice? That man got that premium YouTube account. Right. On everything. I like, yeah, yeah. This is this is before AI and no chat GPT, all you got is Google. Very good. Yeah, yeah. How to be rich. You know what I mean? Yeah. I need to manifest like this man. And yeah, yeah. And then I don't know what really got. He would had custom clients. Oh god, yeah, that shit blew up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:52

So didn't didn't something happen? And then he went back to line again like years later? Bruh, somehow he convinced an old lady.

SPEAKER_02 59:05

This man cold as fuck, first of all. To co-sign his car. Random lady out the street. Yes. So the the dealer, the dealer was like, bruh, essentially to the lady, like, what's going on here? And she's like, I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so he got arrested for that. Yeah, like if he put his mind in the right place and actually legitimize himself. Bruh, he'll be president, bruh. Yeah, CIA, something. Yeah, exactly. So that's that's kind of like, hey, yeah, he may have been serving the community well, Lazala. We don't know. But he and he may be doing his job, but it's important to legitimize yourself, though. Facts. Yeah, you gotta go through the steps. You can't just bypass and cheat your way through.

SPEAKER_00 59:57

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 59:58

Yeah, so it because that's encouraging poor behavior.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:02

No, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:03

Yeah, yeah. So that's that's where I'm at with it. It's like even though you are contributing, you lied how you get how you got it, essentially. So there is some some retribution. I want to be soft with that because it is a uh they are a contributing member. It's not like she like, bruh. Yeah, it's not like bruh, hey, bruh, he should if I was him, I would have killed him. You know what I mean? Like, bruh, what are we what behavior re-encouraging? So I want to be somewhat soft. So I think the attack is enough.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:36

On the credibility. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:38

And this is happening in real time today. Exactly. Oh, okay. Correct, correct. This yeah. Okay. So this shit just happened for real.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:44

Yeah, yeah. Well, so it's helped that she's beautiful and she's getting pretty privileged and all that. And she acknowledges that too. Facts. Yeah. That I saw that clip. Yeah.

Final Thoughts And Goodbye

SPEAKER_02 1:00:56

Right. Uh well, I think we did it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Well, this is two for the culture. We love y'all. We'll be back. We'll be back.