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Dye, Golburgh & Rosenberg | Operation Epic Fury: Iran’s tipping point & what’s really happening #62

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In this candid roundtable, host Daniel Rosenberg is joined by Attorney Michael Dye and Attorney Lloyd Golburgh to unpack the unfolding U.S.-Israel operation against Iran's leadership and IRGC infrastructure. From precision strikes on key figures to the Strait of Hormuz oil realities, ideological entrenchment, potential IRGC fractures, and why isolationism isn't viable, they explore the human cost, geopolitical chess moves, domestic threats, media hypocrisy, and what true regime change might require.

⏰ Timestamps ⏰  
00:00 🎬 Teaser 
1:36 🎤 Guest Intros
2:15 🛡️ Operation Update: Taking Out the Ayatollah and IRGC Targets
3:23 🤔 Is the New Leadership Already Compromised? Cardboard Cutouts & Body Doubles
4:41 ⚖️ Michael's Take: No Cheers for Death, But a Better World Without the Ayatollah?
5:46 🧠 Exit Strategy Realities – Political Suicide or Calculated Chess?
6:48 🚫 Why the People Aren't Rising Up: IRGC Control & Lack of Armed Opposition
8:55 🔀 Path Forward: Splitting the IRGC or Boots on the Ground?
10:24 🇺🇸 U.S. Oil Independence vs. Cheap Imports – Do We Really Need the Middle East?
12:37 ⏳ Realistic Timelines: Quick Win or Prolonged Conflict?
14:51 💥 Ideology & Infrastructure
16:39 🌍 Cutting Off the Head – Could This End Funding for Hezbollah, Hamas & Beyond?
17:40 🗺️ Mapping Iran's Reach: Attacks on Neighbors & Nuclear Ambitions
20:10 🚫 Isolationism Myth: Why Geography & Allies Pull the U.S. In
21:50 ⛽ U.S. Reserves vs. Global Economics – Cheaper Oil or Self-Sufficiency?
27:27 🇺🇸 Media Hypocrisy: Civilian Casualties & Selective Outrage
29:50 ⚠️ Domestic Threats: Synagogue Attack, ROTC Shooting & Sleeper Cells
33:44 🛡️ Defending Jewish Communities – Time to Smash the Passive Stereotype?
37:13 🤝 Abraham Accords Momentum: Uniting Against a Common Threat?
40:19 📰 CNN's Framing of Terror Attacks – Why Facts Get Lost
44:15 📜 War Powers & Constitution: Does the President Need Congress for Strikes?
51:44 🧑‍⚖️ Legal Analyst Arguments 
57:17 🇺🇸 Division in America
01:00:19 🙏 Closing Thoughts

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SPEAKER_01

People fear it's the beginning of World War Three. You have the number one and number two Air Force in the world bombarding you. You have aircraft carriers from every seat. Listen, don't fuck with the U.S. If anything comes out of this, don't fuck with the U.S. It is a secondary note, don't fuck with Israel.

SPEAKER_04

We've seen on a couple news stations the women throwing their hijabs and the into the flames and stuff. Well, actually, that was from those videos that they're showing us are from protests from like four or five years ago. All those ladies already got executed.

SPEAKER_01

There's a unit of the IRGC that are on the ground. These are the guys that go and attack the protesters. So now we are just now attacking them. People are saying US don't have an interest in this, but that's complete bullshit. If you just do digging, right? That's literally the the 80% of the oil in the world comes through there. Do you think that they literally would just say, fuck it, we're going in. Let's blow the leadership up and quesa raster. You don't think they have some sort of exit strategy? That would be political suicide for Trump. First off, welcome back, attorney Michael Dye.

SPEAKER_04

Hey Danny.

SPEAKER_01

Welcome back, attorney Lloyd Goldberg. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04

Welcome to Two Taps and Friends. Grab your favorite drink. Let's dive into another episode of Two Taps and Friends.

SPEAKER_01

Welcome back to Two Taps and Friends. I'm the host of your show, Danny Rosenberg. Today I brought my panel back, or my co-host on the show pretty much for most things modern or anything going on in the world. I always bring my favorite panel that I bring on, other than my kids. First off, welcome back, Attorney Michael Dye. Hey Danny. Welcome back, Attorney Lloyd Goldberg. Thank you. So we're back to talk what's hot in the news right now, and everybody's talking about you can't help but not talk about it. People fear it's the beginning of World War III. I'm not quite there. But the operation in Iran, Epic Fury. So we want to bring, we we did an emergency broadcast. Well, we talked, what we did last a couple weeks ago or a couple episodes ago, is we were covering the coverage of the protests that were going on. We didn't release it immediately, and then this popped off. So we did an emergency zoom where we had Brian Silber and Lloyd and I, and we we covered the you know up to the minute stuff as soon as it came out, and we combined it with the with the protests and the that's the how we got to where it was, you know, and all those people that the civilians that the Iranian government slaughtered, you know, pretty much. They have a history of doing this, they've done it many times before. But um want to turn to you guys. First of all, you know, the Iraq operation where it is right now, you know, uh, there's a lot of confusion uh as to not confusion, but a lot of um, you know, people don't really know what people's complaints are we don't even know what the plan is, what is the exit strategy, a lot of the stuff that you talked about in a prior episode. But first, as far as operation goes, within the first, I think, 30 seconds of the operation, put up that photo of the Kumaini uh complex, if you don't mind, Dan. Uh, they took the leadership out immediately. I mean, that's the hole that's created. They literally took it, they had Intel, which is incredible, that you know, told them that who was there, when was there, I mean, Israelis have assets there, United States has assets there, so they knew and they took them all out. Apparently, since then, the sun has been promoted. Yeah, but now I'm seeing reports that he, if not taken out, is severely mauled and hurt in another attack. I saw a funny mean like like you're dead before you even start. That's a terrible gig. You know, they're just gonna go and take these people out one by one.

SPEAKER_02

But um Well, he had he had his his uh inauguration ceremony, and it was uh a cardboard cutout of a of a of a torso, you know, with limbs and a picture of his face. Was that real? I thought that was a joke going around. I believe that was real. Oh my goodness. But I who knows what's real.

SPEAKER_01

Listen, if I was him, I wouldn't go out there like sending body doubles, like, yeah, I need a stunt, man.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, he hasn't shown himself publicly, that doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_01

But right now, kind of makes sense, you know.

SPEAKER_02

You think so? I think he would come out publicly at least to to feign support for his.

SPEAKER_01

Right, but where, Lloyd? Now they're bombard- you have the number one and number two Air Force in the world bombarding you. You have aircraft carriers from every seat. Listen, don't fuck with the U.S. If anything comes out of this, don't fuck with the U.S. And as a secondary note, don't fuck with Israel. Okay, and then you fucked with both, right? Um, Mike, I'm gonna turn to you because I can see you about to burst, right? Because I know your position. I look, I know you don't like Iran, but I know you you take this whole, but I think uh not reasonable isolationalist position, but tell me what your thoughts are on this as this unfolds. Because I had a real chance to Lloyd, I haven't had a chance to really spat with you on this.

SPEAKER_04

Okay, uh much like when uh Saddam Hussein got executed, I don't really cheer for the death of any individual human, so I'm not gonna be waving pom-poms in the air over it. But at the same time, um I'm not losing sleep over the fact that the Ayatollah is gone. Um so probably a better world for it. Um, so I mean that that's my position. I I don't really take much of a position on that. He's gone, okay. Um right.

SPEAKER_01

What about us being in there and this whole operation? What's your thought? Because I know you're I know you have reservations about this. Tell me why.

SPEAKER_04

And here you brought it up exactly what's going on. Is there is no exit strategy. Now, a lot of people know there exit strategy. Yeah, there is no exit strategy.

SPEAKER_01

Well, but you really think, and I'm sorry, I think it's a debate worth having. Do you think that they literally would just say, fuck it, we're going in, let's blow the leadership up and quesaras-rah? You don't think they have some sort of exit strategy? That would be political suicide for Trump, and that guy is going to preserve his fucking self.

SPEAKER_04

He will preserve his legacy, but I think he is a we'll cross that bridge when we get to it type of guy. Now, the the problem you have, and I've heard people saying this, is once once the political leadership is eradicated, the people are going to be dancing in the streets. That's not so simple. Now we we we've seen on a couple news stations the women throwing their hijabs and the into the flames and stuff. Well, actually, that was from those videos that they're showing us are from protests from like four or five years ago. All those ladies already got executed. All right. That's lovely. So right now, the the problem that you have is that you've got the IRGC who is like posted up in bed, right? 50 years embedded. About uh think it's what are they, 110,000 or something like that.

SPEAKER_01

And not only that, but yeah, and the big issue is that that's the I was saying yesterday they are now attacking. What is the name of that unit? The besiegers. There's a unit of the IRGC that are on the ground. These are the guys that go and attack the protesters. So now we are just now attacking them. And they think that once they take this specific, because there's different units within IRGC. There's a Suleimani guy that they took out, he was in charge of one, and they have the military, they have the Air Force, they have the Navy. These are the on-the-ground guys that are like preventing people from uprising. So they're thinking they take that out, but I don't know. But go ahead.

SPEAKER_04

Well, the the problem is you have the IRGC and the pop that are in the populated areas, which is what we're not attacking. And they're telling the people in Iran to if you come outside of your house, you're going to be executed. All right. So who is telling it? Us? The IRGC. Now, the problem that you have in Iran is you do not have a armed uh counter-militia for lack of a better word. Now you're talking about the Kurds. The Kurds in the north, but they're they're more of a nuisance than they are a serious threat. And they're a regional nuisance in the north of Iran. Okay. But at the same time, throughout the rest of Iran, you don't have an armed uh group that can step up and take on the IRGC. So what we have to right now, you know, there's not going to be anybody dancing in the street, and the people aren't going to rise up and take back their country. What we have to, and what I think they're probably looking for right now, is a split in the IRGC. All right, where you you can divide the IRGC into people who are willing to cooperate with us and people who aren't willing to cooperate with us. Um and that is what we have to be looking for a way to divide the military as it is right now. Um, because they're, I mean, at the end of the day, there's gonna have to, for the Iranian people to take their government back, there's gonna have to be some fighting. And uh right now, the only people with the weapons are the uh regime loyalists.

SPEAKER_01

And they're offering that. They're offering, they're saying to them, clemency. You know, if you put your arms down, weapons down, clemency. And there's actually, I I I was I was seeing that there's a no-kill list uh of specific IRGC officials that Israel has to go by. United States is given specific names. Because from what I hear, the U.S. isn't so sold on this other the Shah's kid. What's his name? You know his name? Reza. Reza or Reza? Reza Pavlave. So yes. You know, that's he's out there and he's talking and yeah, he wants to be a new. I don't know like the populist uh what their thought was on the Shah either, but obviously he's better than the RGC. But it doesn't look like the U.S. is so interested in him taking over. So they have like a no-kill list for these IRGC, you know, because I think the mindset is is your mindset. It's like, hey, they're very embedded. If we can get these guys to turn and work with the U.S., that's the best and safest enemy we know.

SPEAKER_04

The problem is that the Iranian army isn't just the IRGC, you have the Iranian army, and then you have the IRGC. The IRGC are like the true believers in the Islamic revolution, so it's going to be very difficult to cause a split in that group because of their ideology. Um but again, you know, you heard before in the beginning of this, people were saying that the uh the Iranian people were gonna take their take their country back, people are gonna be dancing in the streets. Not true. Because that they have no weapons, and the people who do have the weapons are still there and they're still patrolling the areas, and they will kill anybody who even comes out of their house, let alone tries to take a political step. So what we've what again, the only alternative we have, we have a couple alternatives. We put our soldiers in there to go in and root them out, or we cause a split and uh, you know, a power split to where we can get them fighting each other.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_04

Um, and then we that I have a big problem with that too, because once we cause a power split and we pick our side, then what ends up happening is we always end up giving those people weapons and training and all sorts of things, and those weapons inevitably end up in the wrong hands and pointed back at us in the not too distant future. Right.

SPEAKER_02

There's no thought of putting boots on the ground, American troops. Give us your thought on this, Lloyd. I don't think we're putting American troops on the ground in it, right? I'd hope not. I don't think we would have to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01

That would be that's a it would be political disaster, suicide.

SPEAKER_02

And Trump is not about political suicide.

SPEAKER_01

But um Mike makes a good but go ahead. Mike makes a good point in that these alternatives, these two alternatives seem like strong alternatives. What is your thought? I mean, they seem like the most feasible alternative.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I mean, obviously you you're you're hoping that you have defectors. And I I've heard that there are rumors that there are plenty of soldiers that are afraid for their lives and have come out publicly, you know, faces blurred, but saying, you know, we're all but done. Um I think that a political split would be would be uh unless you unless you're talking about uh Israeli troops on the ground. I don't know that that would necessarily be ruled out. But Israel would do it. Israel would do it in their heartbeat. Right. I mean, but there's no stopping the United States because Trump's not gonna quit. He's in other words, he's not gonna, he's not gonna fail. Right. However you determine fail failure.

SPEAKER_01

It's a perception of his failure right up to him.

SPEAKER_02

Trump is never gonna just say, okay, you know, we we underestimated, we made a mistake, and let's stop. That's not gonna happen. Um I just think that the expectation that was initially presented as to how quick this would be, I don't know how realistic that was. You know, for all I know it it was realistic. For all I know it wasn't realistic, it's a political hot potato, right? Because he can't say it's gonna take this long because he's gonna get blowback if it's too long. So he has to say, you know, it's gonna be pretty quick in order to, you know, have that that you know political buttress. Um, but then you you know you play that fine line where wait a second, this is getting to, you know, taking too long and and what are we gonna do? And it doesn't seem to be working. Um so it's hard to say. You know, I think that I think that I disagree with m you know Mike's theory that we don't necessarily have a a plan. I I from everything I see from the way these people work, like them or not, you know, this Trump administration, um, you know, guys like Marco Rubio and Heg Seth and these people, I don't think it's uh let's just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. I I think that again, as you know, whether you like or hate Trump, I I do think that the man is playing chess and everybody else is playing checkers. I I think they do have a plan. I think that they they've probably been working on it for a long time and they have you know specific specific objectives. Right. Um, and I think that they're gonna carry out those objectives.

SPEAKER_01

Right. I think that it brings up an institution of warfare now because especially in the Middle East, you know, we have this superior firepower and and and wars changing that you don't send tanks in so much anymore. You're you're attacking infrastructure, you have these amazing smart bombs, and you have these aircraft carries and all these things. But in these communities, it's in it's very hard to get the roots, yeah, right? Like you're just you're flaming the top of it, right? But these guys go run and hide in bunkers, and then slowly those roots grow and they're back at it. And it's a similar thing you see with Israel and the Gazans and Hamas, and and also it's an ideology, too. You know, you have like where he was saying the RGC, these diehards, they're you know, you literally have to go and yank them by their collars out and throw them in. And it makes it challenging to completely do that without the help of ground troops, not that you want ground troops or someone on the ground rooting out the roots, right?

SPEAKER_02

You know, and I and I, you know, I agree with that. I I agree with what Michael said about the people rising up because I I I just don't see it, you know. If you think about it from an emotional perspective, it, you know, oh, it would be wonderful if they came out into the streets and took over their country. But that's a a fantasy, it seems like to me, because when you break it down to a practical reality, who's gonna be the person that's gonna walk outside and and and you know be canon fodder for everybody else? Nobody, right? So I think that that's a pipe dream to think that they're gonna rise up with you know without weapons and and take back their country. So the objectives that that I believe that the United States and Israel have are going uh are gonna have to you know continue. I think that this is a righteous cause. I think that's what I was gonna get. This is an answer to your your point about the ideology and how you know they just burrow in caves and they wait and come back and multiply and strengthen. But I think that if you cut off the head of the snake, I think that if you take out this cancer, okay, which is the Islamic uh caliphate in in Iran, right? If you remove the head of the snake, you remove the money, you remove the funding, you remove, you know, you then you Hezbollah dies, right? Hamas dies, Boko Haram dies, haramutis die. Right. And I think that we have a real opportunity right now where we are to change the entire world forever by doing this. I think it has to be done.

SPEAKER_01

Right. And so the question, it bears a question, and we'll get to you in a minute. I don't think we had a choice. That's the thing, is and I want to turn to how the Democrats and how the public and how the Republicans are responding, the woke right and these people, and you see even Michael's against it, right? The conservative Michael, but like I wouldn't, I don't want to label you. I got it. You're talking about the the the mnemonic war of choice. Yeah, we'll get we'll get to that. But my point is, is I I just don't I when you're saying playing chess, I don't think Trump would do something unless he had no choice, right? I don't think that there was a choice. Can you pull up, can we pull up the map? First of all, let's pull up the map, uh the the close map of Iran, if we could, Dan. So obviously people are saying US don't have an interest in this, but that's complete bullshit. If you just do digging, right? You have the Strait of Hermuz for the listers of viewers, if you see that down there over Abu Dhabi, Oman is on the border there. That straight that goes between Qatar and Oman. That's literally the the 80% of the oil in the world comes through there. Yes. This is where China, Russia, all of these guys are trying, they use Tehran to have control over these areas as much as possible. Like right now, Iran is attacking oil ships and they're trying and they're sending drones to attack to disrupt the oil. You disrupt the oil significantly. If a country like China and Russia and Iran get stranglehold on our oil, everything gets affected. The U.S. can't play isolationalists anymore, like you say, Mike, to this point. You can't ignore this. So you add this, and then you add in the fact that they're working on nuclear capabilities. Now, what I hear about that was, because you hear all that they you bombed them, they didn't have the immediate capability to do something, and they came to the table and they were willing to talk. They were, from what I heard in public, saying we're gonna make concessions, but then behind closed doors saying, fuck off. And not only that, bragging about how they were rebuilding already. So if you have to have conversations and and you have to have leverage on this these people for multiple reasons. They're their ideology, uh, geographically, they're a loose cannon. Look, could we pull up the other map of what's around them just to show what they attacked? Guys, pull up the other. So if we can see Iran's the huge thing on the right, the orange, they literally launched, they launched at Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, Jordan, uh, Israel. Did they hit Saudi Arabia? They lay at Saudi Arabia too. Didn't they launch at Saudi Arabia? I mean, these guys are literally, it's like a Tasmanian devil that you catch and it's just lashing everywhere that you can. So you tell me these guys, if they got their hands on a nuclear weapon, and I know this seems like a played out thing for people, like, oh, well, they couldn't do it, they would launch it. These guys were desperate. They launched missiles at all their Muslim neighbors. What happened to the Muslim? We don't attack Muslim countries. What happened to that? That's how is that a rule? Well, they say it, they're quick to say it. They've been killing each other at record paces. I agree. I agree, but my point is, and I'll turn to you first on this, Mike. Do you still think we have no that we we should we could be isolationalists and ignore all this? And that it we're just pushed into Israel's war? Clear Israel has a a fucking immediate interest in this, right? More than ours. But of course, but do you think Trump's the kind of guy that's gonna do something because somebody's pushing him, pressuring him?

SPEAKER_02

I I find that laughable.

SPEAKER_01

Hell no. That guy'll do whatever he wants to do. He doesn't give a shit. He's he doesn't care. He posted a crazy picture of like Obama with the monkey. I couldn't even understand what the fuck that was. That was crazy, but he just does what he wants to do.

SPEAKER_02

Who in their right mind hate or love Trump? Or love or hate Trump. Exactly. Would think that someone else can, anyone else could lead him anywhere.

SPEAKER_01

Well, if you exactly, but if you push back on any hate against him, then you automatically love him. That's just the way the society is right now. What is your thought on the isolation of this issue? Because I'm interested in.

SPEAKER_04

80% of the world's oil goes through there. Guess what? The United States doesn't need any of it. He's right. All right, we have enough here. Well, you okay. Wait, first off, like back when uh sitco was Venezuela, I would not buy gas from Sitco because they stole American uh they stole the American oil industry out of Venezuela by nationalizing it. I would not buy gas in Sitco. Who do I buy gas from? I buy gas from BP. What's BP stand for? British petroleum. They pump all of their oil out of the North Atlantic in the Gulf of Mexico. We also have enough oil in Texas and Alaska to last this country another 3,000, 4,000 years. We don't need a drop of Arab oil. All right. There's no reason for us to purchase it. All right. You sure about that? I'm absolutely positive. There's no reason for us to purchase.

SPEAKER_01

That in the context of we have the oil, we don't need to purchase it. But what about if there's secondary deals with allies or secondary deals with them and they're purchasing something from us? Do you really think give me an example of what? Do you think if we didn't need anything from the Arab world, all this terrorism shit would be tolerated? Wait, you think we wouldn't have fucking flatlined Afghanistan after 9-11 if we didn't have some kind of economic interest with all of these fucking countries?

SPEAKER_04

We have an economic interest because it's convenient, whereas they already have the infrastructure set up and it's cheaper for us right now to import the oil in from the Middle East.

SPEAKER_02

So that was that uh sorry to interrupt, but that's what I was gonna say that just because we have the oil and we have the reserves doesn't mean that it's less expensive for us to pump it out of the ground. That's why we get oil from Saudi Arabia. So there's an interest.

SPEAKER_04

So go the interest is cheaper oil for the time being, but the time it might take us five or so years to get set up to be 100% self-sufficient, which Trump was actually working on in his first administration until uh when Biden got elected and he shut down the pipeline on day one.

SPEAKER_01

Uh and couch it as it were protecting the Native American lands.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and well, first, I mean, it's like Biden No offense to Native Americans.

SPEAKER_01

I agree we should protect your lands, but they're full of shit.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, but go ahead. Biden didn't do shit. We know that uh somebody uh made the decision to shut down uh the the the pipeline, sure shit wasn't Joe Biden. All right. Uh but at the same time, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01

I there was I saw Babylon the B, the B, they're hilarious. They put up a meme that said the Kumane is contacted Biden's government to learn how to run a country with a dead man.

SPEAKER_04

They're funny. The onions good too.

SPEAKER_01

Ted and Zack are fucking fuming in the studio right now. Go ahead. I don't like that.

SPEAKER_02

I don't like the dead Biden.

SPEAKER_01

I know, I know, but it's fucking funny.

SPEAKER_02

I know, I don't know. I don't think it's funny. That I don't think the dead. I think a lot are funny. Okay, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04

Right now, the only interest that we have in the oil from the Middle East is it's cheap. We don't need it. We have a first off, our geography is better for logistics. When you look at the the country, one of the things that made us grow so rapidly was is the Mississippi River and all of the tributaries that come off of it, which provides for shipping throughout most of the country. All right. So we can move things much cheaper than other countries that rely on rail systems and things like that. Uh the Mississippi River, uh geographically, we're just superior. All right. That's just dumb luck. Right. All right. However, once we get the uh the logistics for oil set up and running, and a government in a government that doesn't want to, or a government that's not being paid off by people in the Middle East to keep the cheap oil from the Middle East flowing, we don't need a drop of Middle Eastern oil. I can tell you right now, we could go, we could open up the oil reserves, tell OPEC to fuck itself, and start setting up, and we wouldn't have any disruption to our life until we get in. But that would mean that we have to go ahead and drill in the what's the wildlife preserve of the Arctic Preserve Anwar. All right, that would mean that you know we have to drill in the Anwar Arctic Preserve, and yes, the the caribou dung beetle might go extinct, all right?

SPEAKER_01

But do you think you know who gives two shits? Do you think that the populace would could agree and Congress would pass that and we could start drilling? No. So what the fuck are we talking about?

SPEAKER_04

Okay, well, you know, uh you've got you've got jackasses in there like Alexandria Cassio Cortez.

SPEAKER_01

We can't get it to pass, so we can't fucking do it.

SPEAKER_04

Okay. Here's the thing. So no, but that's the problem. The Republicans have control of the House and the Senate and the presidency.

SPEAKER_01

So you Okay, I say for now, for now.

SPEAKER_04

Yes. Jam it down their throat to the point that our entire economy depends on it, so that it can't be undone.

SPEAKER_01

So your solution is pull out of Iran right now. Fuck them. Fuck them, fuck the region. They're just gonna leave us alone. They're not gonna build any nuclear. Never never said that. Well, so just fortify at home. Fortify at home, get our own iron dome and hope to fucking God they don't get a nuclear weapon.

SPEAKER_04

Never said that we have aircraft carriers if they even come close to building a nuclear weapon, target it, take it out. But go on ahead. Here we are. Here we are, dude. Well, we're we're bombing like ball bearing plants and shit like that.

SPEAKER_01

Well, we're taking out they won't be able to fucking build a fucking weapon.

SPEAKER_04

So here's the thing if we if we were limiting our strikes to their nuclear capabilities, all right, and things that uh but we're not limiting our strikes to their nuclear capabilities. No, not now. All right, exactly.

SPEAKER_02

Trying to take out their entire infrastructure now.

SPEAKER_04

That ship sailed. Now we're destroying their entire infrastructure.

SPEAKER_01

And that that brings me to a point that's this is what I I love. This is one thing that like when you love your country, right now you don't care. You want to see the military succeed, right? Yeah, you want to see us win. My problem now with the Democratic Party, or not even I don't want to say Democratic Party, anyone that hates Trump is that these motherfuckers, they're literally justifying Iran, they're minimizing any potential win, maximizing and like the school, the Iranian school. Like they are running with this thing. Like it's like, are you proud because you can say that we've killed civilians to what just to just to make your argument against Trump better and bigger?

SPEAKER_02

Exactly. But that's the whole hypocrisy of the left, where they're all up in arms because uh th 132 children were killed, which is horrible and tragic. Terrible, right?

SPEAKER_01

But they on an IRGC base, by the way, not minimizing it, but that was on a base at school, correct?

SPEAKER_02

Well, you won't find that out in liberal media that that school was doesn't drown by that's not the point. The point I'm trying to make is that they couldn't care less about the 40,000 Iranian citizens that were slaughtered in two weeks. Don't care. Not a word, right? But all but 130 children were killed, and it's the biggest deal that there is. This is the hypocrisy that bothers me, but I think it goes back to the same thing. It goes back to the education and the total uh American ignorance with respect to the Islamic caliphate and what it is.

SPEAKER_04

Well, you know, you've got jackasses like that on one side, but then you've also got, and I always confuse the two these two jackass Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell. Um sure. Well, Mitch McConnell's uh I remember him like glitch McConnell, where he just you know uh so but Lindsey Graham sitting up there and he's like, and we're killing people, and you're like, dude, shut the fuck up and go away. Right now, I mean you you just I mean Yeah, but he's one senator, yeah. Well he he just needs the where's he from? Uh South Carolina. Oh, that's fucking figures.

SPEAKER_01

So all my South Carolina peeps and my people I went to high school with, Mike's an asshole.

SPEAKER_04

No, but well, idiocracy got that right in the State of the Union address. Yeah, yeah. You're a jackass dick.

SPEAKER_01

Listen, I I I think that the China go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, real quick.

SPEAKER_02

But go ahead, tell your point. Nah, the first one, the China thing, I think is it's above my pay grade because I think a lot of this probably has to do with the China thing, the you know, the geopolitical strategy. Talk about it. I don't know enough about it. Right. Um, you know, that's I guess something left for him or for Brian.

SPEAKER_01

Uh because of the strangleholding China and most of their oil, and if they they get other oil too. Well, I I think the condition it's putting pressure on them. Yes.

SPEAKER_02

They're feeling it. So I think there might be some motivation there, and it for all I know, it is demotivation. I don't know. Right, right. The the point, though, is the message isn't getting out. I think that's a big problem for the Trump administration is the message about the threat from China is is not getting out.

SPEAKER_01

Of course, they can't think about that. Because if they are putting out they have to have these indiscreet jabs at Russia and China, right? Because any proclamation of us going after China would scare the shit out of the world and would trigger the World War III talk, right?

SPEAKER_02

Well, so I think that's part of it. But what I really, you know, the uh the other thing is look, those negotiations where people are like, well, the Iranians came to the table. This is my second point, and then I'll shut up because this is the really one that was most important is when, you know, I believe Steve Whitkoff, when he got on TV and he said, Hey, listen, the very first thing out of their mouths when we sat down at the negotiating table was we have an inalienable right to enrich our uranium, and that's what we're going to do. That was their opening salvo at those negotiations. So to me, you know, that has to be also a huge motivation here because if they're basically saying we're not going to stop enriching uranium, then we are facing an imminent threat. And I think that's why this happened.

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Right.

SPEAKER_02

Short of you know what I don't know about China.

SPEAKER_04

The geopolitical thing with China, it's China gets the vast majority of its oil from Russia and Iran. So by going ahead and shutting off the oil supply from Iran to China, it it weakens China. Now, I personally I think China the threat China poses to the United States is severely overstated. For every once in a while, it seems like we need, you know, you need an enemy to focus on. And right now it's going to be Russia and China as the big bad boogeyman. Um, by China's China's own population, it it's imploding on itself right now because they had that one one-child policy for a while, and so parents who had girls were like killing their daughters and keeping pregnancy secret. So you have an overabundance of men and a very small amount of women. Well, guess what happens when you you don't have biological women is you don't have babies. And when you don't have babies, your population shrinks. So this the one one child policy is having is gonna have long-term consequences. I was reading uh somewhere that the estimate uh uh some some former CIA guy said that the days of China being a uh economic superpower be over in about 10 to 15 years.

SPEAKER_01

Another issue um that we have to worry about here, I think, is the security threats here domestically, right? We just had an attack in the synagogue. You know about that last uh uh Lloyd? Talk about about can you give the viewers a little? Just give us a quick brief on what happened there. Michigan?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Um I don't know everything. Right, because we know again, we never know what's going on, but yesterday some uh uh I believe a naturalized American uh citizen from Lebanon, um, an Arab drove his car into the largest synagogue in Enron, uh, or Enron to the side of Dearborn, Michigan. Um and from my understanding is he actually exited the vehicle and opened fire, uh, but was taken down by security personnel at the synagogue. And then the car caught fire inside the synagogue and he was burned to death. So I don't know if he was still in the car or if he was outside the car, but uh word is that his two brothers were uh members of Hezbollah and were killed a couple of weeks ago by Israeli airstrikes. Right.

SPEAKER_01

And that's and that's another thing. So Hezbollah has now entered the Hezbollah, who's the people don't understand Hezbollah's threat. Hezbollah is the biggest uh armed group that's not technically an army of a country, right? They're a real serious threat, right? And Israel really took a lot of took most of their leadership and really scared the shit out of them with that beeper operation, which was incredible. But they're still there, they still have a lot of missiles, and they're launching with Israel now. People aren't talking like the Israelis. I have family in Israel, they're in bunkers every day, all day, right now, because Iran is shooting cluster bombs, right? Cluster bombs is like uh when a bomb comes out, it comes out as a missile, but then when it gets over civilian populations, it spreads kind of like a hollow point bullet, like a shotgun, like a shotgun, right? So then the fragments are hitting, it's just meant to maximize damage. Civilian casualties. Civilian casualties, right?

SPEAKER_04

Can I go into a little bit better? Go for subscriptions. A cluster bomb basically, bomb gets dropped from a plane and opens up, and hundreds of little bombs on the inside of it disperse out. Uh so instead of it moving one big bang, it tosses them over a wide area, and there's lots of smaller explosions. Uh, one of the problems that you run into with them is uh not all of the smaller bombs detonate. So uh when you know people will be walking along and you know, step on one and it'll go off. Uh planting landmines essentially. Well, I mean, they they have different ones that do that. Um, but the these are actually they're meant to uh cause like multiple explosions across a wider area, and uh but the problem is is that not 100% of those little ones go off.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_04

It's not intentional, they're all supposed to go off, but they don't.

SPEAKER_01

They've created a bigger problem for themselves because even let's say we use this option of the Israeli ground, because Israel is not gonna stop, unless United States says stop, right? Because now you're their civilian population threat is just not you can't turn away from us don't think Israel has the logistical case. This is what I was gonna say. So, logistically speaking, what would happen now, and I think will happen, is Israel would have to utilize some American bases in Muslim countries. And if that starts to happen, that's not they're already cooperating. They're already listening the government, Bahrain, UAE, all of these guys are signed on to the Abraham Accords.

SPEAKER_04

The governments, it's not the people.

SPEAKER_01

It doesn't matter. I'm talking about the governments and the bases, okay? Jordan's firing, shooting down missiles. Iran is just bringing everybody closer together in the Middle East. That's why when when Lloyd and I say this could be monumental, it is monumental, right? And this is why October 7th didn't happen by accident. It happened because Saudi Arabia was talking about normalizing relations with Israel. So, and when you start to see this happen, it's gonna change the face of a lot of things. And and it'll keep peace at home, too, for the U.S. We're forever entangled in these things because you can't not be entangled because it's a direct threat to us. You don't think they're trying to plot right now to blow fucking buildings up in our country?

SPEAKER_04

No, I'm sure they are. Is that not a problem for you? It's a big problem, but we're entangled in it because we chose to get entangled in it. I disagree. I disagree. Well, you can't.

SPEAKER_01

Why do you think the shores of Tripoli, the shores of Tripoli? Why, you know, in the halls of Huntes, are we singing to the shores of Tripoli? What do you think that was about? I know it was the bird. They're attacking the fucking shipping fucking routes. And and and John Adams and those guys are like, what the fuck are these guys' problems? Why are they blowing our ships up? You remember what they told them? You guys are kafirs, right? It's our duty to kill you.

SPEAKER_02

They were the Muslims, the Somali pirates, basically. You think they chose to fucking start fighting the Libyans?

SPEAKER_04

What did we do? We went in there, we kicked their ass. Libyans fucked with Doc Brown. And we left. All right. So we went in there at different times. We left. Right. All right. The the big problem, you know. Oh, by the way, there was another terrorist attack uh you didn't bring up yesterday. You were born yesterday. Uh no, it was uh old Old Dominion University of Virginia. That's the one. Did you hear about that one? There is uh where was he from?

SPEAKER_02

I don't remember where he was from.

SPEAKER_04

Um I'm not gonna just make up a random Muslim name, but insert random Muslim name here. Yeah, and uh he was a naturalized citizen of the United States who'd actually served served in the Army National Guard and got convicted like 13 or so years ago for attempting to provide material support for ISIS. Right, and it was back on the street, and was released, and he walked into an ROTC class at Old Dominion and started popping. Oh, geez. And uh I think he got beat to death.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, the the students in the class, the ROTC.

SPEAKER_01

Don't fuck with an ROTC class, you know, like beat him to death. That's like we're attacking the wrestling team. Like, good luck. That's not a thing. Yeah, yeah. Maybe go after the polo team, you know, like the soccer team.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, just the polo team, they're tough.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, actually, never mind. Yeah, I don't even know. Yeah, yeah. Go after the Luge team, you know.

SPEAKER_04

So he I think he killed two people and wounded one. That's terrible. Yeah, and um again, you know, so that that that is a problem.

SPEAKER_02

And was screaming Al-Akbar, of course, as he was doing it.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Fair enough. So, I mean, there's definitely, you know, I know the the intercepted communication, which they said was to activate Iranian sleeper cells.

SPEAKER_02

I don't know how uh how accurate that is, or if you know well, you don't need a communication, all you have to do is watch the videos of the live feeds from the mosques all around the country, you know, in California and in Michigan, and you hear the rhetoric that comes out of their mouths. It's amazing that there aren't more of these attacks. It's scary.

SPEAKER_04

Well, I mean, the one thing, and you guys can answer this. I don't understand it. This is gonna be a Jewish question. It is a Jewish question.

SPEAKER_02

The Jewish question.

SPEAKER_04

It's a Jewish question. Number one, how come you guys don't have somebody with a gun in the front of your school? They do. They do. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

That's why the that's why that guy's dead.

SPEAKER_01

No, dude, go to Chabad in front of in front of what are they called? Like fucking armed fully tactical people now.

SPEAKER_04

I'm not talking about like a nine millimeter.

SPEAKER_01

Tactical, I'm talking about the guy who looks like he fucking walked out of the Golani Brigade.

SPEAKER_04

Okay. No, number two. All right, you know, I hear I've heard you guys talk about it before where you know younger Jewish kids get get picked on or bullied when they're I agree with this, what you're about to say.

SPEAKER_01

Krav Magat. No, fuck Krav Maga. We'll get him going.

SPEAKER_04

Don't get me started on that trash. All right. You need to start raising young Jewish kids to punch a motherfucker in the face.

SPEAKER_01

Well, it's called the IDF. They are. You're talking about American Jewish kids. I agree. Me too. And um, there's actually this big MMA fighter who went out there, and that damn Blazerian fuck putts. You know that guy? This comeback? He said, I'd like to kill Israelis, and this guy came out, he's an MMA guy. He's like, I'll meet you anywhere right now. I want you to come kill me, right? I think I know who it is. Yeah, but he says this, and they also we need to, and and the MMA fighter fights in UFC is also this really tough guy. He was like, Listen, we need to get our culture able to defend themselves. I think that you're absolutely right, you know. It's just that the Jew, it's not that the Jews can't be tough or aren't tough. They're just the focus has been education, and the focus has been different things in the Jewish homes and morals and principles and marriage and love and all the stuff, the Judeo-Christian principles, not so much beat people up, you know, because it's also a fucking very animalistic way to think, but it's necessary in these times. I agree with you.

SPEAKER_04

If you know, okay, there's some things like where my family's from, my family's from West Virginia, and if you say certain things to uh you know people from West Virginia, there's going to be a fight.

SPEAKER_01

Well, there's certain Jews, you say certain things to certain Jews, there's gonna be a fight too.

SPEAKER_04

But it needs to be across the board. You as you tell each and every one of your kids, if somebody starts calling you like Christ killer or something like that, you there's like nothing. It's just walk up to them, just pop them right in the mouth right now. Because what you what needs to happen is uh the the stereotype of Jewish people is passive, nonviolent. Like it just go along to get along. All right, easily that that needs to be smashed. I agree with you.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I definitely, I think we're all in agreement for the first time.

SPEAKER_04

Absolutely needs to be smashed. Teach your kids if somebody messes with them, punch them in the face, take the suspension, it's okay. You're Jewish, you're still gonna get into a good college.

SPEAKER_01

But look, we have the IDF now. That's the idea, is we're tired of being on our knees, right? Fuck you. We're not Jews with trembling knees, right? Yeah. But no the IDF for Nazis, they're killers. They just because they don't like a Jew that defends himself. They're gonna say it. They hate it. It doesn't matter. They hate it. The idea for committing war crimes, all of a sudden it's war crime. Motherfucker, we're taking out the look at this. I mean, we're taking out everything. I'm just not even a real picture, but like. You know, we're taking out the weapons that we have that we drop when the U.S. drops weapons, Mike. Let's say that looks like Seattle. No, it's not Seattle for the viewers and listeners. Um, but you know, the weapons that we use as the United States military are just uh they look come from outer fucking space at this point, you know what I mean? So, like, but the IDF gets shit on when they use it. These guys are using cluster bombs, nobody's talking about it. And let me move to the liberal media because this is crazy what's been happening. Because we're in war. You know what? Back in the day, when we were in war, it didn't matter. Everybody united, and that's the problem with that's our weakness in this country right now. I think it's our weakness in any other country in the world. I venture to say that when you're at war, they unify. Okay, maybe not in Iran right now, but you know what I mean? When you're in Israel, is divide, Israel is just as divided as the United States. That's what people understand. Likud Maroc Party are like here and here, right? And back to real quick, the other point where you said there's some fanatics in our government, like Lindsey Graham. They're senators, they're loose people here and there. This is an entire government of people in Iran. This is the ruling party, right? So that's the biggest problem. All the people in the Iranian government are fanatics, right? But back to the other point, back to my other divine thought now. They're so divided in Israel, but when shit goes down, nothing unifies you than like running to a fucking bomb shelter together with your neighbors. And it doesn't matter what political fucking party they are. We don't have that here. We have the luxury of not having that. But now, we also have this media that is so swayed to the liberal side, it's insane. Did you see the CNN tweet? Have you guys seen I saw the video of what uh what's her name?

SPEAKER_02

Abby, what's her name? Uh the the anchor. The the black girl? Yeah, the pretty I forgot her name.

SPEAKER_01

Black girls. Yeah, she she then she came out and apologize afterwards. She did? Yeah. Oh, okay. I was listening to that was actually my question. I'm gonna read the tweet. So two kids they go to an anti-Muslim protest and they start, they threw bombs into him. It was an al-Qaeda terrorist attack, okay? Yeah. This is the tweet from CNN, okay? This is real. I'm not making this up.

SPEAKER_04

This is the kids in New York City? Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

No, uh, yes. Two Pennsylvania teenagers crossed into New York City Saturday morning for what could have been a normal day enjoying the city during abnormally warm weather. Why the fuck are you putting that in a tweet, first of all, okay? But in less than an hour, their lives would drastically change as the pair would be arrested for throwing homemade bombs during an anti-Muslim protest outside of Mayor Zoran Mandami's house. Had nothing to do with Mandami. They threw him at anti-Muslim protests. Otherwise beautiful. The headline should have been two fucking Al-Qaeda operatives commit a terrorist attack against U.S. citizens in a protest. How in the world is this happening to where CNN could put a tweet out like that and take it? What were could have been a normal day enjoying the city during Abno? Why would anyone take this agency serious anymore? Nobody does. No, that's not true. I guarantee anyone that's a that's anti-Trump watches CNN all day.

SPEAKER_04

Anybody who watches Rachel Maddow, CNN, I don't have any respect for it.

SPEAKER_01

She's MSNBC, right? They're complete lunatics, though. But like, and Fox has their fucking thing too. They go crazy on the other end, but still.

SPEAKER_04

You know who's good? Uh what is it? Sky News, is Sky News Australian? Yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_01

Sky Australia, yeah, because they're conservative. Go to go watch Sky News in Britain, you'll be like, they're fucking crazy. You know, it just depends on where they're leaning, right? BBC. But like CNN, I don't see how we can take that agency seriously anymore. Like these headlines, instead of like, there's no unity at all. It's we shouldn't be there. This is a stupid war. We're gonna commit it's all like just let's make the political party look bad so we could use it for fucking fodder next time. You know, what's your thing?

SPEAKER_02

Phillips is her name. And that that that I just looked it up, and that's what that really got under my skin because so much of what I believe you know the left understands is because of the media that they watch. So is it any wonder why they have some of the opinions that they have? Right, you know, um, when you watch Fox News, you know the difference between, you know, Laura Ingram, who gives you her shelter or Sean Hannity or the personalities from the news. Right. Right? You're smart enough to go, that's bullshit. Yeah, that's his opinion or her. Right. And and you know, okay, that's an opinion, but that's news. And you're you're a you know, smart people are able to extract, you know, what is news. Now, now whether it's accurate is another story, okay. But you know the difference between the shtick, you know, of a Sean Hannity and news. Well, Abby Phillips, right? Sh this is her. She's a she's a you know popular, pretty anchor. She comes out and says that that those bombings were were directed at Mandami. I mean, this is you know, it's on video. You you you the video came out before anything where you see the young men throw the bombs into the crowd. And she comes on TV and says that basically framed the whole thing that it was that the bombs were directed at Mandami and that they were thrown by the anti-Muslim protesters. So if I'm watching CNN, why would I not believe that that's what happened? That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01

And meanwhile, there are Muslims that threw at the anti-Muslim protesters, and the protesters were there protesting Mandami. Right.

SPEAKER_02

So they were conducting a uh permitted peaceful protest outside of Gracie Mansion, right? Right, not bothering anybody, and these two guys came and threw those bombs. Right, right. Begs the question.

SPEAKER_01

But listen, yeah, but it's on video. But like how it's almost sinister. Like, what is your interest here? This is what I mean when you're looking at this headline, right? Your your interest is what? It just to make so is it? I'm just gonna say that the Muslims are getting attacked to make Trump look bad, or is it we need to say the Muslims look bad because we're trying to protect Muslims? And why are we trying to protect Muslims?

SPEAKER_02

Like, there's just so many sinists because it's like because it's all ideology based. Nobody cares about facts anymore. It's all how can we because they hate Trump so much. Yeah, CNN doubled down on that. I believe the TDS is real, that they can't get out of their own way and and really understand the difference between, you know, his personality, the things he says, and the what it does that he does. Right. You know, and they've lost their their ability to think critically. Yesterday, um, a lawyer who I will not name put something on Facebook about how 17,000 civilians have been killed by the Americans in Iran and cites NPR. And I'm like, how does NPR how does NPR know this? There are no Western journalists on the ground. And a lawyer goes and posts it without any critical thinking, right, asking that question. Well, wait a second, let me let me look into this. How how could NPR possibly know that? Because the uh Iranian government said so, right? It's the same idea because the Hamas Ministry of Health said something, they put it on TV as though it's real, right? And this is what frustrates me because people are being manipulated on both sides, right?

SPEAKER_01

So another I just want to talk about some real quick because I don't want to keep uh viewers and listeners too long, but let's talk about his legal analyst quickly. Because this is the arguments that I'm hearing, like I talked, we talked about with Ryan a little bit, like you know, lawyers. And Brian, he he downplays it doesn't matter what they think, but it does because their their voices are out there, right? I don't agree with Brian. Legality of U.S. structs, war powers versus Congress. Can we, Mike, if you want to break it down, because Lloyd gave a little bit explain how absolutely the president of the United States can initiate strikes and what the war powers are and when Congress has to get involved.

SPEAKER_04

Okay. First off, my opinion is the War Powers Act is unconstitutional as a whole.

SPEAKER_01

And it came into play when?

SPEAKER_04

Uh gosh, 79, 73. So is that after Vietnam?

SPEAKER_01

Right. It's not from our founding fucking forefathers. So let's put that out there.

SPEAKER_04

Well, what basically the the issue is is that the premier the president is the commander-in-chief in the military, meaning he can say he goes ahead and makes the orders, the military follows them. Right. All right. However, Congress has is the only uh governmental uh body, one of the governmental branch, all right, that has the power to declare war. Now, what what the War Powers Act says is that you need to get Congress's permission before you basically start uh a war like Vietnam or Korea, something of that nature. All right, so it's like if there's a prolonged commitment of U.S. troops and resources, then there's uh the president's supposed to go to Congress to ask permission. Well, the Constitution doesn't say that he has to ask permission. And by the way, when you declare war, a whole new set of rules under international law kick in. When you have a uh limited military conflict, like going into Venezuela or dropping bombs in Iran, that is not a war. There's different, there's now different rules. All right. So what the conflict, it's a it's a power struggle between Congress and the executive, where you have somebody like Alexandria Casio-Cortez, who says that all military action needs to be approved through Congress.

SPEAKER_01

Just on its face, what a joke is that. Seriously?

SPEAKER_04

Exactly. All right, well, all military action by President Trump needs to be approved through Congress.

SPEAKER_01

So tip your hand to the Congress about any strike that you're gonna do strategically.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and now if there's a if the president gets word that there's going to be an imminent attack on the United States, all right, then what, he has to convene Congress uh before he acts.

SPEAKER_01

Makes absolute no sense.

SPEAKER_04

All right. It's it's stupid. And you know, Bill Bill Maher, not a big fan, but he had Adam Schiff on the other night, where uh, you know, he said was talking about this, and uh he said something to the effect of you can go online and watch it. He said, the administration said there was an imminent threat against the United States, which gives the president the authorization to act with military force, something to that effect. And he said, Okay, so uh Senator Schiff, is that too vague for you? He's like, but that's way too vague. It doesn't say, and then Bill Maher's like, well, that's what Obama used to, that's what Obama said to attack Libya, all right? Which you know, and then Right, it was Obama's quote. Yeah, it was Obama's set him up.

SPEAKER_02

Bill Marl set him up, set up Adam Schiff, and he gave him the quote, and Schiff was like, Oh, that's vague, thinking that it was Trump's quote, and it turned out to be Obama's quote.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and then you saw Adam Schiff going like, like, well, you know, and later Obama, we told him we he wasn't gonna go into Syria, and he didn't act without congressional authority then. So, you know, Obama good, Trump bad. Um, but it basically what it is is you have people in Congress like Cortez, Schiff, Pelosi, um who it's just they're just trying to start a fight. They're trying to start something. And the problem is that there's a lot of dumb people in this world who don't know how the constitution is set up.

SPEAKER_01

Not even dumb people, just people that just don't know how the constitution is set up, right?

SPEAKER_04

Okay, you uninformed people and dumb. When you when you when you go ahead and you combine the amount of people in this country that are uninformed with the amount of people who are uninformed and dumb, that's a large chunk of the country. I agree. Lloyd, your thought.

SPEAKER_02

I agree with everything he said.

SPEAKER_01

That's a first. It's not a first, actually. It's great. No, but I agree. Like it's but what I see is when I see the people that like, like I said this on a prior episode, lawyers that went to law school, that like not saying that all lawyers, there's a lot of schmuck lawyers. Let's put that out there right now.

SPEAKER_04

Their standards are pretty low. Right. I mean, they're getting lower.

SPEAKER_01

No, but like, you know, I've had I had a guy that I sat in class with in constitutional learning. We know the I know what the executive branch can do. You know what they can do. We've read case after case after case after case. And for you to come out and put this blurb on Facebook explaining how Congress needs to be this, and Congress. So I never commented, I commented, and he he he responds back, oh, well, I think there were exigent circumstances here that he should have gone. I'm like, you're just talking in circles. And and the problem is it's we're weak as a country because we're this divided. And I don't think we've ever been this divided short of the Civil War.

SPEAKER_02

Well, we didn't grow up during the Vietnam era, so I don't know. Well, remember you hear those people talk and everybody says the same thing, you know. Well, in our, you know, in our in our consciousness, you know, we were that divided. And then the next generation, well, in our consciousness, we were that divided.

SPEAKER_01

You think there's ever been a hated president? There probably has, but like Trump right now?

SPEAKER_02

No, I mean he's this is yeah, he's an anomaly. I mean, he's unique, you know. He is the most polarizing figure on the planet, right?

SPEAKER_04

There's something it's in the New Testament, so he missed it. All right. Where I didn't know I didn't read it. You might have. Jesus said something of don't cast your pearls before swine. All right. And what he was trying to say is don't, you know, if you know a lot about a topic and you know, you're, you know, don't don't go ahead and just put all this knowledge out in front of a pig who is too stupid and too dumb to understand it. So pointing at me. Are you? So I'm just saying, arguing with people on Facebook. Uh yeah, arguing.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I know I I agree. I normally don't, all right, but this is not a dumb guy, right? That's what I'm trying to tell you. He's not, he's a smart, learned guy. Right. He's just so deranged about like Trump that he's willing to put aside what he knows or to skew it in the way that he needs to justify because that's a trump. He triggers this trauma in people that you know, this it's a bully. People don't like bullies, right? And and and I think he triggers it so hard in people that it overcomes your brain. Your emotion can overcome your brain. You know that.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I understand it's really hard to get over and grab them by the pussy.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, there's a lot of shitty sex.

SPEAKER_04

It shouldn't have been said college wrestling locker room and Southern Baptist comparison. President of the United States. I have dirt on preachers. Guys who are preachers now who said worse than that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

This is it wasn't presidential. We agree on that.

SPEAKER_02

That's just a man running for the president of the United States. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01

You shouldn't have is listen, there's you can't defend everything the guy does. You can't defend a lot of what he does. But you should be able to analyze it.

SPEAKER_02

But isn't that the point, Danny, that we're trying to make that an objective, intelligent person can say, that's fucking bullshit, but that's okay. Right? Or I don't like him, but I like what he did there. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01

And there is none of that. Right, exactly. Like right now, you he's too he's taking out a horrible regime. And he and he did what he did in Venezuela with Maduro, and now Cuba's at the table, I hear.

SPEAKER_02

So I mean these people in Iran are begging. They're begging, they're desperate. They're right. It's it's heartbreaking to hear them on their Instagram, you know, on their feeds coming on and saying, please help us, right? And to have the American left be like, nah, they don't care.

SPEAKER_01

Well, let's see how it unfolds. I'm hoping uh that this thing gets over quicker than uh than for as few casualties as possible. Right, exactly. And and um, all right, anybody last top last parting words on this? We'll be talking about it. I'm sure it's gonna be in the hopefully next time we come on, it's over, but I don't know. We'll see, you know. But thank you guys for coming on as usual. Thank you for discussing this with me to all my listeners and viewers. Thank you for watching. Two taps and friends. Like we say, please like, subscribe to the channel. If you like, subscribe to the channel, give us more outreach. We're able to bring more guests, more panels, talk about more stuff, come on more often. Uh, we're on everything Instagram, we're on YouTube. Go check us out on all these uh platforms. Uh, thank you all for listening and watching. We love you all. Goodbye. Cut