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Dye & Rosenberg | Digging into Epstein & the Cheerleader Master Mind Murder of Trey Wright #63

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Two Taps and Friends breaks down the shocking Florence County, South Carolina case where a 16-year-old was shot during a confrontation allegedly fueled by his cheerleader girlfriend. Attorney Michael Di explains South Carolina’s “Hand of One, Hand of All” principle, felony-murder liability, and why nine teens—including minors—now face murder charges. From foreseeability and accomplice rules to the realities of house arrest and proffer agreements, this conversation reveals how quickly teenage drama can escalate into life-altering legal consequences. A sobering look at group accountability, parental warnings, and the justice system’s leverage tactics.

⏰ Timestamps ⏰  
00:00 🎬 Teaser 
1:30 📰 The Cheerleader Mastermind Murder – What Really Happened?
2:10 👥 Who Are the Key Players?
5:30 ⚖️ Hand of One, Hand of All: South Carolina’s Felony Murder Rule Explained
9:10 🔄 From Accessory Before the Fact to Full Murder Charges
11:45 ⚠️ A Wake-Up Call for Parents and Teens
13:20 📲 House Arrest & Social Media Requests: The Cheerleader’s Bond Conditions
16:40 💬 Instigating vs. Planning: How Far Does “Mastermind” Liability Go?
20:30 🧑‍⚖️ Charging Minors as Adults – South Carolina vs. Florida
24:30 📍 Quick Updates on Other Cases
30:00 🧩 Epstein Files: Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, and the Limits of Guilt by Association
40:00 🔍 Why So Many Redactions and How Do We Know What’s True?

If you were in a car with friends heading to a fight and knew someone had a gun, would you speak up, get out, or stay silent—and do you think the law should hold the whole group accountable for what happens?

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SPEAKER_00

I wanted to start off by covering a uh murder that's been in the headlines recently. Um they're calling it the cheerleader mastermind murder. This kid, Trey Wright, is a sixteen-year-old in Florence County, South Carolina. Um, and he's dating a girl, Gianna Christenbacher. 17-year-old girl. She's a cheerleader. Devin Raper was driven there with a bunch of teens in the car with an armed firearm. Trey Wright walks up to this car that Devin Raper's in, tries to open the door, and gets shot in the chest. What got even more interesting about it is the amount of people that were charged. All of you will be charged with murder individually because you were acting as accomplices and someone died in the end. So there's nine people charged with murder right now over this.

SPEAKER_01

Well, the issue with uh felony and murder, uh the one other thing is that it has to be foreseeable. All right. So if you're committing a crime where a foreseeable consequence is that somebody might get murdered, then if a person gets murdered, then everybody who was committing the original crime's liable for it.

SPEAKER_00

But you know, in your mindset is I'm not the one fighting. Like if, you know, he's in the car with me, he gets out and he gets a fight, that's it. Yeah. But you know, these guys, it is different than the fact that they knew he had a gun. He was saying he was gonna shoot him. Attorney Michael Dye, welcome back.

SPEAKER_01

Welcome to Two Taps and Friends. Grab your favorite drink, get comfy, and let's dive into another episode of Two Taps and Friends.

SPEAKER_00

Welcome back to Two Taps and Friends. I'm the host of the show, Danny Rosenberg, and I have my co-host on the show, Michael Dye. Attorney Michael Dye, welcome back.

SPEAKER_01

What's up, Danny?

SPEAKER_00

Today we want to cover, uh, I wanted to start off by covering a uh murder that's been in the headlines recently. Um, they're calling it the Cheerleader Mastermind Murder. It is the murder of Trey Wright out of uh South Carolina. It's got some interesting legal facets to it, so we wanted to talk about it and kind of uh kind of flush the case out a little bit. It's it's a crazy case. And in this case, this this kid, Trey Wright, is a 16-year-old in Florence County, South Carolina. Um, and he's dating a girl, Gianna Christenbacher, 17-year-old girl. She's a cheerleader. If we could put that three shot up, Dan, so we can kind of see who these people are. This is Trey Wright on the left with the python on his neck, and then Gianna Christenbacher's on the bottom. Uh, and apparently there was a uh they're saying that Gianna Christenbacher instigated a fight between this other individual that's up there and Trey Wright. This other individual's name is Devin Raper. He is a 19-year-old kid who apparently got into an argument with this Trey Wright over what they're saying over this girl, or was instigated by this girl, was driven uh to a fight to confront him after saying this was gonna happen, had a bunch of miners in the car um that knew what was going to happen. And at some point, Devin Raper shoots uh Trey Wright. There's multiple gunshot wounds to his chest. Law enforcement's called. When law enforcement arrived, they find these teens and they find this kid on the ground. I think he was already deceased by the time they got there. Um, but what got even more interesting about is the amount of people that were charged. So a number of teens, I guess, drove in this vehicle. Apparently, there was a fight or a snapchat argument between the two. Uh, it was hyped up by all the friends. Everybody knew this confrontation was going to happen. He was driven. This Devin Raper was driven there with a bunch of teens in the car with an armed firearm, knowing this was going to take place, this confrontation. There was even conversation amongst the kids about turning their phones off. So law enforcement doesn't track it. So they kind of knew what they knew it was going to happen. Apparently, they got there. There's conjecture now. The defense attorney for Devin Raper is saying that there was some sort of a fist fight that almost occurred before they got out to initially have a fist fight. But the reports say that this raper, uh, that Trey Wright walks up to this car that Devin Raper's in, tries to open the door, and gets shot in the chest. That's kind of what we know. We're hearing arguments from the defense attorney on the other side. Um, but we want to fill, I just want to fill in or just give some background on on where we are with that. So just some of the notes I have here. He was lying on the road. Um that when they came was pretty brutal. I guess he wasn't deceased. It was gurgling and it was terrible. It was gunshot wounds to his chest. There are multiple teens that got charged. If you could pull up that photo of the um, not the wide shot, the uh six, the bigger shot. What's the next one, Dan? Well, this is the wide shot. These are a couple of the teens. This is another girl that was kind of egging it on. I believe her name was uh Karina Belaizo. This girl here, the blonde on the bottom is Cindy Kerr, Cindy Kurz. A bunch of them are minors. Can we pull up the next shot? These on the bottom here, there's another. We have Kearns, we have Rittenbacher, that's the Belaizo girl. This guy over here, I believe his name is Hunter Kendall, another kid. But there are most of them were minors, and and to make a long story short, on that front, uh they were all charged with Mike. Talk about how they were charged and tell me about more. Take it from here.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Um, one of the things is, I mean, these are state criminal charges. I don't know how South Carolina goes ahead and defines somebody as an adult. Um Right.

SPEAKER_00

That's that's something to talk about.

SPEAKER_01

You know, in Florida, if you're under the age of 18, the it's in the state attorney's discretion whether or not to charge you as an adult. Uh and it it's it's the state attorney's sole discretion. In North Carolina, um, anybody who's 16 years old can be charged as is charged as an adult. All right. So once you hit 16, you're an adult as far as criminal proceedings go. And South Carolina was listening to some things on it. I believe it was optional as to whether to charge them as adults, but I believe that the uh district attorney or the whatever the prosecutor's title is there, chose to charge all of them as adults for the simple fact that the crime is so serious. All right.

SPEAKER_00

Well, first of all, South Carolina has a law called hand of one hand of all. That's just co-felon liability to the rest of the world. Is it similar to felony murder or just accomplice? It's more towards the accomplice part.

SPEAKER_01

Uh I think it's similar to felony murder.

SPEAKER_00

The principle is that if you're acting in felony murder in Florida, if if you're acting in in cohesion with a group, if you're going with people to go commit a felony, right? You're going to rob someone and you're all with that like-minded goal. And when you get there, if person dies, whether it's a person that your group kills or someone in your group gets killed during the the robbery, you're it's there's a principle called felony murder where all of you will be charged with murder individually because you were acting as accomplices and someone died in the end, even if it's someone on your side and it just imputes the elements, meaning it gives them the state or the government the elements immediately. They can skip the whole intent and all this stuff. As long as you had the intent, it didn't have to be to commit murder, it had to be the intent to commit a felony and someone committed the murder, then all of you are charged with murder across the board. So it looks to me that South Carolina is using a similar principle in this hand of one hand of all, and they've charged all these minors. Now, that's what's so drastic about this case is first of all, to charge nine people. I think it's seven, seven are first formally charged, but nine at one point.

SPEAKER_01

I think it's seven are adults and two are being charged as juveniles.

SPEAKER_00

So there's nine people charged with murder right now over this. So it makes it a very interesting type case. But uh go ahead, finish with your thought. I just want to.

SPEAKER_01

Well, with the with the issue with uh felony murder, uh the one other thing is that it has to be foreseeable. All right. So if you're committing a crime where a foreseeable consequence is that somebody might get murdered, then if a person gets murdered, then everybody who is committing the original crime is liable for it. So if, for example, if me and uh three people decide to grab a gun and go rob your house, uh, we break into your house, you you resist, and one of the people with me shoots you, even though that wasn't our intent to kill you, it's still a reasonably foreseeable consequence that somebody's gonna get killed. So it's uh everybody gets charged with murder. So uh, you know, when whenever you're talking about a uh a robbery or when somebody's carrying a deadly weapon like a knife or a gun to get involved in a confrontation, well, that's it's reasonably foreseeable that the gun is going to be used, and it's reasonably foreseeable that somebody will die. So based on that, they can charge everybody who was involved. Now that's the that's the part here that's a little confusing. At first, they charged, I believe it was five or six people with uh accessory before the fact, meaning that they provided uh Dylan, what was his name? Dylan Raper. Yeah, they provided Dylan with some uh assistance before the murder took place. So whether it be giving them a ride, providing them with a weapon, uh you know, any type of assistance beforehand, even if it's just logistical, all right, is going to be sufficient to charge them with uh accessory before the fact. Now, then what they decided to do after all the facts flushed out and they realized that everybody knew that uh this Dylan kid was carrying a gun. Everybody, uh there were apparently videos of him saying that he was gonna use it, and everybody heard it, everybody saw it. So at that point in time, they changed, they upfiled them all from accessory before the fact to murder.

SPEAKER_00

What's crazy to me in these situations? These kids are kids. I mean, they're kids. Think of the stuff that we were doing at 16 or 17 or with you later ages, but you know what I mean. But think about how many times you were in these situations, not necessarily to go kill somebody, but you know, in Myrtle Beach specifically, like so these kids, this kid was actually arrested in Myrtle Beach. He was in Florence County, he was arrested in Myrtle Beach in a comfort inn. That town is relevant because I went to high school there, I went to elementary school there and uh middle school. So these towns, like you know, it's just any town, these fights between people are going to happen. And and I can't count how many times we knew someone was gonna get in a fight, and we all went to go watch it and even traveled with them. But you know, in your mindset is I'm not the one fighting. Like, if you know, he's in the car with me, he gets out and he gets a fight, that's it. Yeah, but you know, these guys, it is different than the fact that they knew he had a gun. He was saying he was gonna shoot him. At one point, I think he mentioned the drive-by shooting. That even if we have to do a drive-by, we will. Now, I don't even know what the back and forth on the Snapchat is. I haven't done deep research on this. You know, do you know about what that conversation is? I know it had something to do with a girl and she was instigating because they really went heavy on her, you know. But the fact that it should be a scary thing for parents and and teenagers alike to know that if you're if your kid is even in the vicinity of some of these things or just going to watch or or there, they literally could get charged with murder. And and and look, the idea that I think that they're charging everyone murder is because they want more information. So the idea is we charge nine kids, seven of them are gonna flip, we're gonna have a solid case on the one kid and we close the case. You agree with that?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I mean that I think they're being a little heavy-handed, right?

SPEAKER_00

Clearly. Not taken away from the murder, it's terrible. The kids got murdered.

SPEAKER_01

The girl, the the cheerleader girl. When you you look at her bond, her bond was only$20,000 or$25,000. And for for a murder case, that's a little ridiculous. But you know, she she's out on house arrest. Um, her attorney just filed a motion uh to permit her to go to work.

SPEAKER_00

And she's got a proffer agreement already?

SPEAKER_01

So yeah, she does. She's she's already cooperating.

SPEAKER_00

For the listeners and viewers, a proffer is basically when you're doing any negotiation with the state or the federal government, a proffer is where you agree to be questioned and you have to answer honestly about everything that they might be missing on their case. Like, did you drive the car here? Yes. Did you and and you have to say it on the record? It's recorded. So you're agreeing to just spill the beans on everything that you know, and then there's no really guarantee of what they're gonna give you, right? They just might be give you we're gonna give you grace, or they don't always tell you what they're gonna give you, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_01

Well, most of the time they don't tell you because the last thing that a prosecutor wants is for a witness to get up on the stand and say, They promised me X for my testimony. All right. So what most of the time they don't promise you anything, it's kind of like a wink and a nod. And so you you get up on the stand and you say, They haven't promised me anything, but I hope they'll take it easy on me. Right, right. You know, so but with regard to this girl, she just filed a motion uh for to be able to go to work, and uh her attorney also filed a motion for her to be able to use social media again. Um, I thought that was a little stupid.

SPEAKER_00

Um it just looks like uh I saw that the guys on Law and Order were covering it, and great, great uh panel was on there. It's worth going to watch. Um, but no, he he was saying like what a bad look that was. You're charged with murder, you're coming in front of the the judge that's going to be sentencing you and saying, Look, I need to be able to get on social media. I gotta have my Facebook. Well, the pushback is social media now to these kids is you know, that's your connection to your entire world, essentially, which is sad, but that's what it is. And if you're on house arrest, right? I mean, your only connection to the world, and social media covers a lot. Snapchat, like these kids, Snapchat. I remember I had one of my my teenage my daughters, she's young, and we we we resisted giving her social media as long as we can. We did it with Jacob. But she was making some compelling arguments. She's like, Well, you know, like I can't even have Snapchat, and that's where all my friends plan everything. That's where we know. I'm I'm left out of everything. I'm having a tough time with my, you know, whatever it is. So it's a little bit, I get that part of it, but as of now, at least from our generation, hearing something like that, it sounds like a bit of a ridiculous request, don't you?

SPEAKER_01

Well, I mean, she she's got bigger things to worry about.

SPEAKER_00

Oh shit, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, than whether she's allowed on social media.

SPEAKER_00

Um, but uh, you know, I do think the the But even then, sorry, instigating what does that mean? Does that mean like if she's saying we should go go kill him, go shoot him? I get it, but instigating a fight, then one guy goes and kills the other guy, you get charged with murder, that sounds a bit ridiculous, don't you think?

SPEAKER_01

Possibly, if but if you're instigate, if you're telling the person hey, if you're to fight them, go shoot them.

SPEAKER_00

No, no, that yes, yeah, that's you're literally part of a murder at that point. But uh when she's saying in I I find it interesting that they're using the word instigating as opposed to in compliance or planned or orchestrated. Well, I mean, you you remember they did call her a mastermind, so maybe there's I don't I don't think uh this is uh that girl doesn't look like a mastermind.

SPEAKER_01

This isn't a mastermind.

SPEAKER_00

Mastermind wasn't the first thing that we thought of.

SPEAKER_01

No, no, no, all right. So you remember high school, and there was always the one girl who would, you know, uh starting. My kids call it homie hopping now, where it's like one one uh girl hooks up with one guy and then goes to his friend and then goes to his friend. This is where they offend everybody. There's always this one girl in high school, sometimes two or three, depending on your high school, but who goes ahead and gets with one friend and then another, and then turns the two against each other, and then just sits back and oh yay, this guy's fighting over. Is that murder? Yeah. And well, I mean, it kind of appears that's what happened here. Right. All right. She was with one guy, she's with another guy, and you know, she's all excited that two guys are fighting over her and paying attention to her, and you know, it got out of control. Uh, whether that makes her guilty of murder depends on really what she did as to how she instigated it. But it it just seems like you know, the fight was over her. We all know why. All right. They don't have to they don't have to really spell it out for us. We've all been in high school. Um and you know, uh that's I don't I would have a hard time believing the a murder charge on this what is stick, um, unless she was specifically saying you should go kill this guy. That just doesn't seem logical to me, having seen situations like this before in my personal life, and having seen situations like this before professionally, uh it's usually it's just there's that one type of girl who likes to stir up trouble and have guys fighting over her. And i I've never seen somebody take that to the point of killing.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Well, legally though, um legally, I I I think it's it's um I'm trying to figure out how the state would prove this, right? To get to a level of say felony murder, because that's clearly what their their principle they're using. So if you're in a vehicle and someone is so so I guess you would have to jump out of the car, you'd have to call law enforcement, how do you stop this, right? So you're in a car full of people, a guy has a gun, he's talking shit. How do you know he's gonna do it? How do you know it's planned? You know what I mean? Like, so I guess they prove they just have to put up the elements for listening viewers, they just have to put up the elements that you plan to go there for a confrontation. And because of the kind, it doesn't even have to be I'm gonna murder him, but you also there's a gun in the car, so you uh it's not unreasonable for you to understand that it could get to that point. And if they prove that, then everybody goes down for for murder. Do you think that they're really seeking to get murder on all these kids?

SPEAKER_01

No, I I think they're trying to flip everybody uh so that they have a stronger case against the Dylan raper guy. Right. Right. Well, I mean they might they might give it, they might break it all down to uh to where it probably should be, which is accessory before the fact. Um so if they, you know, if everybody cooperates and everybody testifies, they'll get a first-degree murder on the uh Dylan guy, and then you know, they'll break everybody else down to an accessory before the fact, and that'll be that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. South Carolina has got its own interesting uh court system. You practice in North Carolina, right? Yeah, completely different worlds.

SPEAKER_01

I've been to court in South Carolina, though.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah. I don't want to hear about that.

SPEAKER_00

We're not not as a lawyer, as a defendant, you know? Okay, right. It's quite quite the difference, you know. No, but that's so we'll we'll continue to follow that. We'll continue to follow it. I thought that that was um we I it's an interesting thing. You're just not used to seeing many minors charging this way. So in Florida, in Florida, the way it works is at 17, halfway through your birthday, they can charge you, right? What is the rule on it?

SPEAKER_01

No, it's anytime.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, but it's but usually they're they but as a matter of as a course of conduct, if you're halfway through your 17-year-old, I know that they generally will charge you as an adult.

SPEAKER_01

This is the the problem I have with the Florida statute, is that each individual elected state attorney has has their own policy as to when to charge it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, because I remember Broward at one point would say stuff like, well, halfway through the 17, we usually do it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So com if you commit a crime as a juvenile in Miami, you might, you know, their system's so overloaded, if it's like a third degree or second-degree felony, you might still get charged as a juvenile in Miami. But if you do the same thing in uh Hendry County, all right, you're probably gonna get charged as an adult.

SPEAKER_00

Right. And for listeners and viewers to understand the difference between juvenile court and adult court, it's a huge difference, okay? So in the juvenile court system for for you for kids, they're charged, they're the way that they're punished is in these detention centers, okay? They're like juvenile jails, I guess, but there's different levels to them. They have, you know, level one, level two, level seven. What's the highest one? Seven?

SPEAKER_01

Uh I I think they go even numbers only. So it was two, four, six.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So level eight is the most strict, like a maximum security for children. Um but generally on most of the charges, you know, you do your detention, you're doing home stuff. It's different, different game. There's no real prison there. Okay. You're not going to prison. And then most of these charges, when you turn 18, get expunged. So in, but like when you're applying for jobs, juvenile records don't come up. The only people have access to it or are the US or the federal prosecutors, the state prosecutors. If you get charged as an adult later, they can go look at some of your juvenile stuff, right? So way different thing. You want to be charged as a juvenile, right? If you're if you're 17, you want to be charged. Once you're charged as an adult, this 16, 17, facing the death penalty. I don't know. Does South Carolina have a death penalty? Yes, firing squad. Firing squad. So literally the kid is facing a firing squad.

SPEAKER_01

But they can't execute people for uh homicides committed below the age of 18 anymore.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so there's caveats, but still, you're facing life in prison. I mean, you're a convicted felon the rest of your life. So a mistake that could have been made at 15 or 16 will haunt you for the rest of your life. So it's a very, very, very big difference. So it's interesting, and I don't think that they're I think they're using it as leverage. What happens is if they do this, and then these kids are gonna come forth and do whatever they can to not be charged as adults, and that would entail a full story, and they're gonna get the full loaddown, and then they you know likely will go after aggressively this Rittenbacher girl, uh, and most definitely the raper kid. He's 19 and uh as his last name. I'm not just calling him a rap, so he's not charging you. Did he pull that one the sixth shot up again, Dan?

SPEAKER_01

Thank you. You know, the whole no snitching thing, the out the door. Yeah, that doesn't apply.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, but for most people, the snitching thing's out the door. That's it. And they're all like, and people are like, oh, he's not gonna snitch. Let me tell you something. When people are facing the rest of their life and they're facing significant prison, even a lot of people, minor prison, no, they're giving everyone up. And what I tell people we're defending, listen, it's your family you have to worry about, right? It's not those people and your friendships and all that. Unfortunately, when when those kind of decisions have to be made, different, it's a different thing. But I want to move on from this. I want to go into updates on some of the cases that are going on right now. All right, so Guthrie. We covered Guthrie, and that is uh, we put that out a little while ago. Do we have any real updates on that? I see an update came out today, sheriff saying that uh that the sheriff that likes to fucking have loose tongue that gave away the fact that she got taken from her bed, which was ridiculous, right? This is a guy that the feds the listeners and views didn't watch at first. The feds are accusing him of withholding information. They are accusing him of uh of giving out too much information to the public. He came out and said that she was taken from her bed when that was not released, and that is a highly sensitive detail that only the kidnapper would know, right? Or or or someone close to the investigation. So that could have been information that could have been used in an interrogation to see, because in a lot of these cases, you got false people trying to give leads and they and they have to decipher with those little pieces of information. So he's loose in the mouth, not very smart, sheriff. And he came out today saying that he thinks not much of an update, that he thinks that she was targeted. They have information now that she was targeted, but they they don't give out for why.

SPEAKER_01

He's a rocket scientist there. Yeah, so basically, there is no update. All right, he wanted to get in front of the camera. You've got the uh Arizona version of Grady Judd.

SPEAKER_00

Right. So let me ask you this like, do you have any other do you know anything else that came out?

SPEAKER_01

No, I I was actually thinking that I'm gonna pull it up right now. The news has kind of moved on from that a little bit because nothing new has happened.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and those suspects, they have nothing. What we know here, believe they've been inducted at this. I'm reading for listening reviews. I'm trying to catch up on the suspect. Describe the suspect as a male five foot nine, uh, incident, uh nothing wearing two masks and gloves. They think he's wearing two masks, right? They're not even sure about that. And yeah, that that's it. They have no new leads. And listen, I hate to say this, but the chance of this woman uh what are the chances this woman's alive? Um, I'd put it between none and zero. That's terrible. That's terrible. The fact that they have no leads is insane to me, you know, and the fact that it's just so much just star power behind this, there's money behind this, and well, uh we we don't know that they have no leads, but it it doesn't seem like this is going anywhere. Agreed, agreed. Um, all right, moving on to the next big uh topic. Um, obviously, we talked about Iran in another segment. We know that it's going on. Epstein. Epstein, do we have anything new on that? Uh let me see. But you know, you know what bothers me about Epstein? First of all, the whole thing is troubling, right? The guy's a pedophile, and some of the shit that I'm hearing or reading is just insane. And the levels that that it that that this could infiltrate, and and these leaders that were involved in it, you know, but you know, and the conspiracy that it takes people down is troublesome too. But the anti-Semitism thing bothers me more than anything because I'm a Jewish guy that every time I go somewhere, people, the first thing they say to me is, What do you think about the new Epstein thing? What do you think about the new Epstein thing? And I'm like, Yeah, well, he's a piece of shit. What do you want from me?

SPEAKER_01

You know, it's not just you, people ask me that as a lawyer. So you do? That's good.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I mean, so it's but I'm not getting it asked as a lawyer. I'm getting it asked because I'm a Jewish guy, and apparently they think that all, I mean, right now the anti-this is just stroking the ant, shut up. This is stroking the anti-Semitism in such a way that it's bothersome. Like if like when we covered, I've seen another episode. I've seen comments on there, like, oh, you're covering for him. Like, why would I cover for a guy that's a fucking he's a scumbag, he's a pedophile. Like when you're questioning evidence, it's not that I'm questioning evidence, I'm questioning who's connected, right? Because you're making very loose connections about a lot of people about very damning things, right? These are these are life-changing things, you know. What is your thought on that?

SPEAKER_01

Well, uh, I think the update was I think uh Hillary Clinton got called in for uh deposition. And Bill. And Bill. Um nothing. I've seen nothing that Hillary Clinton was involved in anything having to do with him. Bill, on the other hand, you know.

SPEAKER_00

It's not funny, but I saw the questions about a massage. Yeah, I may have gotten a massage. Like there's a photo of like, is that one of the girls that's the accuser massaging him?

SPEAKER_01

In the airport.

SPEAKER_00

In the airport. Yeah. And how how old was she? Is she a man?

SPEAKER_01

I think she was 19 at the time of the picture.

SPEAKER_00

Well, that he's relying, he's he's holding on to that, probably, right?

SPEAKER_01

And then well, I think there were pictures of Clinton swimming around in a hot tub with topless chicks.

SPEAKER_00

Is there? See, you say again.

SPEAKER_01

I I think there was.

SPEAKER_00

This is the problem, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, look that up. Uh I'm gonna pull it up. There were there were pictures of Clinton swimming around in a hot tub, hot tub with women.

SPEAKER_00

Uh, but when you say that, like again, that's the problem, is everybody throws that innuendo around. We can't really. I don't have it, could be true. I don't know. Here, the last thing we have is the mass document document dump. The redaction. That was a problem. They redacted, so apparently, you know, that they redacted the um, they redacted the uh the the people they were protecting names, but not the victims. Oh, yeah. That was a big fuck up, right? What is your thought on that?

SPEAKER_01

Um look when you're doing like there's a whole document review process, and uh it depending on how many levels of quality control you have, uh things are gonna slip through. So, but at the end of the day, that that's just unacceptable. I mean that that's all there is to it.

SPEAKER_00

Right. And so apparently they searched the Zorro Ranch in New Mexico. Do you know about this ranch?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's where it was out in the middle of nowhere where uh you had to take a helicopter to get there.

SPEAKER_00

Tell me about this ranch a little bit. Oh, it's the listeners and viewers don't know it.

SPEAKER_01

Amazing. And when you see the pictures of it, uh, but it's a ranch, I think you have to take a helicopter to get there. It's out in the middle of New Mexico. Yeah, I mean, you can't get in or out except via air. So, and it's a great place to uh it'd be a great place to take people and hold them. Jesus.

SPEAKER_00

Now, is there allegations? Do any of these victims come forward saying anything about this rant?

SPEAKER_01

There uh there were uh at least from what I heard, there are at least one or two girls who said that uh he had them there.

SPEAKER_00

Wow, okay. And so they're looking for evidence in that. Um, let's see what else is there. The file shed associates involved, shed further light on Epstein's ties to figures such as Bill Gates, Elon Musk, and former Trump advisor Steve Bannon. What was the thing about Bill Gates you were telling me that was like really bad?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah, he he caught uh some STD from a Russian hooker.

SPEAKER_00

Wait, wait, wait. What did that have to do with Epstein?

SPEAKER_01

Did he provide the hooker? I don't know. But then he he sent an email to Epstein saying, hey, I caught this this funk from a Russian hooker, and I need you to get me antibiotics so I can grind it up and put it in Melinda's food so she'll never find out that I got it.

SPEAKER_00

Is that real? Yeah. This is out of what, his emails?

SPEAKER_01

Uh yeah, it was uh Jeffrey Epstein. So real scumbag. Apparently, yeah. Bill Clinton grilled over nude hot tub photos.

SPEAKER_00

So wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh, he was grilled. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and the deposition. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00

The girls were nude, and he was nude.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, uh, don't know if he was nude. He didn't have a shirt on. I didn't see anything below his witch.

SPEAKER_00

This Bill Clinton guy, man.

SPEAKER_01

Seems like it'd be fun to party with, but um, you know.

SPEAKER_00

But I mean, this is some deviant shit you were telling me about, right?

SPEAKER_01

Like so, yeah. Bill Gates uh uh apparently contracted an STD from a Russian hooker and contacted Jeffrey Epstein to get antibiotics so that he could grind them up and put them in Melinda's food so she would never have any symptoms of the STD. And um Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_00

I'm seeing here that's terrible.

SPEAKER_01

Uh that's some degenerate shit.

SPEAKER_00

So the UK political scanner release led to the resignation of Lord Mandelson from the UK Labor Party after documents reveal his continued contact with Epstein following a conviction. Does that mean that he's a pedophile? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

No, it's just bad. You know, here's the thing there were a lot of people that maintained connections with Epstein after his conviction that probably aren't pedophiles, but it shows a severe lack of judgment to clear, you know, uh for politicians to maintain contact with the convicted pedophile. Sure. I mean, so you know, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're somehow implicated in what Epstein was doing, but it does mean that they have piss poor judgment.

SPEAKER_00

I agree with that. Um, let me see what else there is I'm seeing here. University ties. New documents reveal deeper financial and personal ties between Epstein and scientists at institutions like MIT and Princeton. That's a fucking shock. Yeah. Bunch of scumbags over there now. Prompting scrutiny. Well, no, here's the problem. How he continued to fund research after his first conviction.

SPEAKER_01

Here's the problem with that, too. Jeffrey Epstein apparently always wanted to be tied in with uh the latest research and trends and technology. So what he would do, he had these hare-brained ideas. And the so, in order to get grant money, they these scientists from Princeton, Harvard, MIT, would fly down there and listen to Jeffrey Epstein's PowerPoints about you know his theories on the universe, and then you know, they'd get money from them. So a lot of the people who took the money from Epstein, again, it wasn't because they were pedophiles, it was because Jeffrey Epstein had a lot of money and was willing to give it to them as long as they went ahead and, you know, kind of look at it like a timeshare salesperson. You know, if you went down there and you listened to Epstein's crap about his theories on life, the universe, and everything, then he would give you money for whatever you were studying. Got it.

SPEAKER_00

Well, so that doesn't mean, I mean, again, but here you are, you're defending the the colleges. Are you gonna defend all these other names coming out of it?

SPEAKER_01

Okay, go throw me a Jewish name, I'll defend it. Oh, stop.

SPEAKER_00

Well, they all they do is they throw Epstein around, and that's it. All the Jews are bad, and it's just so stupid. It's just it's it's just hard to deal with. How do we know that Epstein was really Jewish? Well, come on, dude, shut up. You know? So um what's the genealogy? I I have no idea. Okay. The documents reveal that a foreign hacker incident, documents reveal that a foreign hacker breached FBI server in 2023 containing Epstein five. Uh bullshit. I mean, look, they just have a lot of shit, and it's just a it's a juicy story that they're covering.

SPEAKER_01

And they're they're never gonna let it go.

SPEAKER_00

Um let me ask you this what do they have tying him to Trump other than photos? Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Here's the thing there there's basically what you would say is two sections of the Epstein files that were released. Number one is the information that was given by the accusers and the information that was uncovered in the investigation. Then and emails from Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Gates and direct contacts with uh Jeffrey Epstein. Most of those, if not all of them, are Jeffrey Epstein and other people just talking shit about Trump. They they did not like each other. Then on the other side of it, you have the FBI's basically tip line, all right, where they receive communications from people who claim to be a victim. And so that's where you get this wide array of allegations involving, you know, not just Jeffrey Epstein, but also Donald Trump. Um when you when you look at, and you and I have been in this business for a long time, we know when something doesn't pass the sniff test. Right. All right. When you read the allegations that were made against first off, all of the or all of the damning, quote unquote, damning information about Donald Trump came from the allegations section. All right. What they don't bother to tell you is that all of those allegations were investigated and found to be without merit. Now they keep going back to this one who's an alleged 13-year-old girl who said that she was uh uh uh abused by Trump. Uh I don't know how old she would be now. All right. It was investigated. All right. And it, you know, it's investigated by Biden's people, right? Yeah, um yeah, and if there were anything, let's put it this way, if there were anything that Joe Biden's people could have levied against the United States.

SPEAKER_00

Joe Biden's FBI specifically.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, with Merrick Garland, right? All right, who was still pissed off at Trump about not getting that Supreme Court spot. Right, all right, they would have brought the charges. All right. There's I mean, they Well they brought 93 other charges for fuck's sake. For QuickBook entries. I know, I know. And you know, it's like they've been up this guy's ass with a microscope for over 10 years, and that's all you can find. Right and he might actually be saintly. All right, because if you look, if you did the same thing to me, good God. Right, you know, I mean I I don't know when I'd be getting out of prison.

SPEAKER_00

Right? Right, right. I just yeah, that's what I find it, I find it fascinating to me as well. Like you, you know, it's gonna, it's just a it's an it's a big scandal that's gonna take the headlines and go all these different places. But to me, with the way that they skew, and look, people think I I'm defending Trump, and that kind of that pisses me off. There's times where I'm defending Trump, and there's times where I'm telling you that he sounds like a fucking idiot, right? And that's just the reality of of human nature, right? There's no people aren't, you know. I I tend to look at what some of the things he does, and I might agree with what he does sometimes, and there's a lot of things that I don't agree with what he does, but I will say that this guy has been so investigated, indicted, shot at. I mean, literally, the guy's been through the gambit, right? And I have a hard time believing that if they really had some incriminating shit like this, you know, because people think, oh, you could just seal it or hold it. You know how hard that is to do with all the echelons and the government and the access that people have and the media.

SPEAKER_01

I have a saying my dad told me once is that two people can keep a secret when one is dead, right?

SPEAKER_00

All right, it's it's it's so they're like, what are all these redactions or what are these missing files? And there's so many reasons why there could be missing files because of this uh this lynching that's going on about Epstein. Any name that gets tied, the person is just it doesn't matter what they can prove or not, you lose in the media. You lose in the in the court of public opinion, there is no winning. So if you have anybody who's in the government that even exchanged looks with this guy and has an email with a guy, like if he emailed a senator or someone that's high up now about anything, he's gonna be a pedophile. So, I mean, there's gonna be things where they're protecting people because of that, because of the because of the the witch hunt that's going on right now.

SPEAKER_01

Did you I don't know if you saw this article that was out there? You know that attorney, um Lisa Bloom, she's the the women's rights attorney. Oh, you know, Gloria Allred? Yeah, all right, it's her daughter. Okay and you know, Gloria Allred's the one who gets out there, and it's like when like that fat chick said that Usher gave her herpes, and you know, she has the press conference standing next to this, you know, we're seeking to hold Usher accountable.

SPEAKER_00

What?

SPEAKER_01

Well, and it's true. You can look that up. I love your coverage of it. I was like, did you say Hershey's or herpes? Oh, stop.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01

So, at any rate, Lisa Bloom finally admitted that in her pro bono representation of these women who make accusations against Trump, she gets she gets them financially compensated. And not only that, they take, I think it's either 25 or 33 percent of, you know, they're saying they're representing these women pro bono, but they take 25% or 33% of their the fees that they arranged for them. So there was a woman who later said, hey, uh Lisa Bloom and her law firm arranged, I was gonna report Trump for X, Y, and Z. And uh Lisa Bloom arranged for me to get paid$750,000 to tell this story about Trump. Wow. But I ultimately ended up not doing it. All right. And so this this whole, you know, the whole Lisa all Louisa Bloom, Gloria Allred, you know, the the charade that they're putting on of, you know, representing women's interests pro bono, and all these women are, you know, they're just bravely coming forward for no reward at all. The whole time she's been getting them paid. Some uh there was one woman who had her house paid off. Uh, and who's she getting the money from? Right. All right. It's, you know, we we know who it is, or at least we know what side of the political aisle they're on. So they're out there actively getting women paid to make accusations against Donald Trump. And it doesn't matter if the allegations are true or false. You get paid to make the allegation.

SPEAKER_00

Right, right. Well, that's the thing, and that's why it's hard. It's you know, you f I find myself like taking everything with a grain of salt, just not disbelieving, but like waiting to hear and asking that follow up question that people watch me on here ask you all the time like, how do you know that? Right? Oh, is a photo. How do you know that? Everything's how do you know that? Know that like in this day and age, you I can create a photo so easy, so realistic. And I'm not saying that it's not a real photo, but like who's verifying? It's just so hard to get a decipher to decipher anything these days, and I think that's a challenge for all of us. But thanks, but I just wanted to bring you on. We're gonna get some updates on some of the big criminal headlines that are out there right now. But thank you again for coming on, my friend. And we'll be back on very soon, I'm sure. And all my listeners and viewers, thank you for watching. Uh, thank you for watching uh two taps and friends. We appreciate it. Um, please like and subscribe to the channel. Like I say, if you like and subscribe to the channel, it gives us more outreach, gives us the opportunity to cover more topics, bring on more guests like Mike. Um, you can find us everywhere. We're on Instagram, we're on YouTube, we're on Spotify, Apple Podcasts. We're literally across the game, but the marketing team is fantastic, our recording team is fantastic. We have a great family here. Um, like I said, thanks to all the viewers and listeners for watching. Like and subscribe. We love you all. We'll see you next time. Goodbye. Cut