Dye & Golburgh | The Epstein Files: What Is Real What Is Not & Should They Release All The Files?#66

In this candid roundtable on Two Taps and Friends, host Daniel Rosenberg welcomes back criminal defense attorneys Michael Dye and Lloyd Golburgh to revisit the Jeffrey Epstein files after the Department of Justice’s historic early-2026 release of over 3.5 million pages of material.

They examine what the documents actually reveal — horrific details alongside voluminous “trash” emails, protective redactions, and unverified anonymous tips — while wrestling with a core question: When does mere contact, an email, or a photo imply wrongdoing, and when does it not?

With warmth, legal insight, and a steady refusal to chase conspiracy, the conversation explores high-profile names, flight logs versus island visits, the Bill Gates antibiotics email, cross-party accusations, the Ehud Barak winky-face exchange, recent UK arrests, and the importance of evidence over assumption. A grounded reminder that real accountability requires more than headlines or guilt by association.

⏰ Timestamps ⏰  
00:00 🎬 Teaser 
01:32  📧 Why are so many documents just “trash”?
05:18  ⚖️ Does an email or photo equal guilt?
12:05 🗳️ When politics colors the conversation
16:55 📜 Anonymous tips and the Trump example
23:27 🌐 High-profile names and what the files actually show
30:14 🇬🇧 Recent UK developments: Arrests and misconduct probes
35:06 🏛️ Mossad theories, Jewish angles, and broader conspiracies
42:39  🔄 Where do we go from here?

When you see a familiar name appear in a massive document release like the Epstein files, what level of evidence would convince you of wrongdoing versus simple association?

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

There's been they say three and a half million pages of material put out. He's obviously a scumbag who is doing disgusting things. But if this guy's a financial advisor for 25 years to big, big money people, because you're in his emails, that doesn't mean you did all this stuff. Am I wrong?

SPEAKER_00 0:19

Bill Gates got an STD from a Russian hooker and then had to go ahead and get antibiotics from Jeffrey Epstein to surreptitiously dose his wife with antibiotics. They're releasing so many documents that a lot of them are just they're just trash.

SPEAKER_02 0:40

Well, wait a second. What about the Lloyd Goldberg files? You know what I mean? Like I have a cell phone that has 25 years of contact with emails from everybody all over the world.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

Like meet with some people and he said, and make sure that you tell them that I most definitely do not work for the Mossad. And then he sent the winky face emoji. I deal with crazy people. I can get a feel for whether somebody's crazy three sentences in.

SPEAKER_03 1:06

Right. All right.

SPEAKER_00 1:07

If that. And I'm just like, that is the ramblings of a an lunatic.

SPEAKER_04 1:13

I have attorney Michael Dye, welcome back. Hey Danny. Attorney Lloyd Goldberg, welcome back. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

Welcome to Two Taps and Friends. Grab your favorite drink. Get comfy and let's dive into another episode of Two Taps and Friends.

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SPEAKER_04 1:36

Welcome back to Two Taps and Friends. I'm Danny Rosenberg, host of the show. Today I have my panel back on. I have attorney Michael Dye. Welcome back. Hey Danny. Attorney Lloyd Goldberg, welcome back. Thank you. Thank you guys for coming on. Today we wanted to cover, uh, continue covering a topic that's in the front of all news. Um, Michael and I covered the Epstein files uh not long ago, and uh we we tried to break down uh as much information as we had available at the time as to who uh Jeffrey Epstein was, how he made his money, you know, some of the ties, what was going on, and all the stuff that's out there. But since but recently there's been new, a lot of new information that's come out. I I say a lot of new information, but I'm not really sure how sure how much new information, but there's been a lot of released documents, right? Um that um and I'm gonna turn to my panel in a moment. There's been they say three and a half million pages of material put out. I saw a link to uh there's a whole link to all of Epstein's emails that has literally all of his emails in it. So uh and so there's new information. Some of the celebrities, some you know, the thing with Prince Andrew has been a name that's come up, and he's gotten, you know, pretty much disowned by his family. Uh I know uh former UK ambassador Peter Mendelssohn got arrested recently um regarding some misconduct tied to the emails. We're not sure exactly what it's about, but I'll turn to my panel. I want to bring you guys in on the conversation. Look, my thing here is there's a lot of information. First off, what I talked about with Michael is my big issue is people say, oh, he's in the Epstein files, or he's tied to the Epstein files. And as a defense attorney, something like, okay, well, this guy, and I'm not defending any of this, right? He's obviously a scumbag who is doing disgusting things, and I don't we're hearing about more horrible things, and some of these people were with him, were obviously involved in this. But if this guy was a financial advisor for 25 years to big, big money people, because you're in his emails, that doesn't mean you did all this stuff. Am I wrong? I mean, does that tie you? I mean, just because you're in there, does that mean that you've you're you're you're you have to show me evidence that this has actually happened, i.e., victim's testimony, some uh, I don't know, more than just a photo of a person with somebody. You know, there's some more incriminating photos than not. Depends on the photo, correct. Yeah, if you're in a photo with one of the victims and she's underage or whatever, even if they're not, it's that's a sexual assault. Clearly. That's that's that's something bad. But yeah, talk to me. First of all, let's turn to Michael first. Tell me about some of the new information, tell the viewers, listeners what's coming out here and uh what's new that's come out.

SPEAKER_00 4:16

Okay. First off, I wanted to address the one of the issues, and it touches what you were, it's kind of tangential to what you were saying, right? Is they're releasing so many documents that a lot of them are just they're just trash. All right. They they don't show anything one way or another. It's like when you when you're doing an investigation and you cast the net too wide, right, all right, then you're gonna swoop up a lot of stuff that you don't intend to and isn't going to help your investigation. All it's gonna do is go ahead and give people more stuff to read through. Right. Um, so I think a lot of people are getting distracted by little sideshows in in the the uh the files. Um that being said, there I mean, there's some really horrific stuff that has come out. Um some stuff that I is kind of just repulsive, but uh like some of it I found relatively humorous. Um for example, um Bill Gates got an STD from a Russian hooker and then had to go ahead and get antibiotics from Jeffrey Epstein to surreptitiously dose his wife with antibiotics.

SPEAKER_04 5:33

What so that's in an email? What is that really?

SPEAKER_00 5:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:37

So why is he getting that from Epstein? Uh yeah. Access to antibiotics, apparently, too?

SPEAKER_00 5:41

I guess Epstein had access to everything.

SPEAKER_04 5:44

Now, see now here's the question.

SPEAKER_02 5:45

Is that a Yeah? Because who else would Bill Gates call for that? So there's smoke, there's fire, right? I mean I mean, listen, where are you getting that from?

SPEAKER_00 5:52

That was directly from some of the emails. What emails? The email to Jeffrey Epstein. And you read the email.

SPEAKER_04 5:59

Yes. And he's asking him for antibiotics.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

Antibiotics.

SPEAKER_04 6:02

Why would he ask Epstein for the antibiotics? I have no idea.

SPEAKER_02 6:05

Do we know that those are official emails? Because he wouldn't be able to ask anybody else. Like, holy shit, I got this STD from one of Epstein's girls. Let me call Jeff. That's what you're saying.

SPEAKER_04 6:17

You know, I what do I do? Right, right. So clearly he's got something to do. He's been participating in some shady shit.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

Yeah, apparently. So no, well, Bill Gates denies that all ever happened. All right, he's that these are all made up, they're fictitious. Right. That's what we present them.

SPEAKER_04 6:33

And what's his position on email? They're just made-up email? Yeah, just made-up emails. No, they're not made-up emails. And again, people are gonna listen to this and say, why are you defending it? I'm not defending it. I'm asking questions.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

I don't know that they're not made-up emails. I can't tell you.

SPEAKER_04 6:45

Who released these emails?

SPEAKER_00 6:46

Uh, the Department of Justice.

SPEAKER_04 6:48

The Department of Justice. I saw somewhere where someone released, someone else besides released, somehow cloned his emails and released it. Or was it the Department of Justice? I don't know. I don't know. I heard someone else did it too. And like it's literally a clone of all of his emails.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

It's kind of like the Hunter Biden laptop. You know, Hunter Biden can sit there and say, No, that's not me. That's deep fake AIs of me smoking crack with a Russian.

SPEAKER_04 7:12

No, I'm not saying that's the case.

SPEAKER_02 7:14

You know, but well, uh, you know, your original question um actually had an interesting experience this morning. Uh my daughter, who's 23, who doesn't care at all about politics and doesn't understand any of it, is starting to get involved. She actually said to me this morning, hey daddy, you know, this Epstein thing, it's like really weird. Like Trump is in all the Epstein files. Now, she doesn't, you know, God bless her. She, you know, no offense to her, she doesn't know anything. But what struck me was I was like, in that moment when she said it, my gut was, well, wait a second, what about the Lloyd Goldberg files? You know what I mean? Like I have a a cell phone that has 25 years of contacts with emails from everybody all over the world. And how hard would it be for me to be sitting around going, hey die, that Rosenberg, you know, did he ever tell you the story about him and the hookers? And it could be that's that's a well, you know what I mean. Definitely not an email. So and again, definitely not a let me preface by saying I'm not defending Trump being in the files or anything like that. I'm just simply saying we have to be careful here, right? You know, and and uh about uh you know, someone being in my context and me having a relationship with that someone who may be a pedophile. Right.

SPEAKER_04 8:29

That's you know that's that's my big issue is uh how many people are in your emails? Like I can't even imagine. I guess I literally get 400 emails a day, right? And and and some of them have nothing to do with me.

SPEAKER_02 8:41

I I get emails from weird Right. And a lot of what I saw in those emails that were dumped were, like you said, conversations between other people about other people. Right. Um, not the Bill Gates one, not the Deepak Chopra ones where he said, you know, bring your girls, in quotes, right? Those are the emails I'm interested in, the ones that are first person, right? You know, those are the ones I want to see. And there's a lot of heavily redacted material. And of course, you know, some people jump to the gun, oh, there's oh well, they're hiding something. But you again, you have to understand that a lot of that is protecting victims as well. You know, a lot of things that are redacted that are protecting confidential information.

SPEAKER_04 9:21

Well, let me talk to that for a second. So the big thing is they accidentally redacted, they did redact the victims and they released the victims' names. Interesting. And redacted some of the people that didn't want to have their names out there. That's what caused a big hoopla. And they actually came out, the Bondi came out and apologized and said they screwed up and went really bad. It was bad.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

They issued the Trump administration issued an apology for something it was an accident, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:45

In a roundabout.

SPEAKER_02 9:47

And then the most apologetic thing is. Oh, wow. But listen. Still waiting for her to apologize for saying she was gonna release them six months ago.

SPEAKER_04 9:55

But listen, listen, here's what I'll say about redactions. If you're and I talked about this with Michael in our last segment, like if you're in the government and you know that the media is the way it is right now, and that society is the way it is right now, and you see an email in there from someone who's eye up in the government that has nothing to do with hookers. That could be about, yes, confirmation, I'll see you at lunch tomorrow, right? That could be the email. Do you release that email when the guy has no evidence of any wrongdoing in there, and you know that that name gets out, the public are gonna say he's a pedophile, and that's gonna hamper the government.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

I don't know. That's a good question. That's a very excellent question.

SPEAKER_04 10:37

What is the standard? Is is is is it is it probable enough? Is it evidence? Is it proof evident? Is it that big? And who makes that decision? Right. So, like when you're saying redaction, it's not all automatically I'm trying to hide a criminal from you. It's we don't want to ruin some guy's lives because he's in an email.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

I don't know, because I'm not a federal prosecutor and I don't know the law there. Right. What my what I can tell you based on my experience in in the state is that you know, confidential information is is something that is you know already statutorily legally protected. Right. Not what someone sitting behind the desk says, you know, I don't think we should release this because it's you know ancillary and not relevant.

SPEAKER_04 11:20

I don't think that's well, but you're talking another level here. You're talking about what confidential information could be at the tip top of the government, right?

SPEAKER_02 11:28

Well, national security, right? National security and and the protection of children and victims and potential treason and oh, who knows what the international relations?

SPEAKER_04 11:39

Yeah, like if you have some Russian diplomat that he emailed, I'll give you an example, or we're not someone that's not even an ally, sends it you know, sends an email about a financial issue. I don't even know the government has to release that now because it's in there. Like, I don't think they should release some of that stuff. Yeah, that's a good I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 11:57

I I really don't know what the federal standard is.

SPEAKER_00 11:59

The problem is I don't think we really do know the standard as to what things are being redacted and what's not being redacted. Um, on top of that, who gets to make the judgment call of what is redacted? Um, one of the things that kind of just annoys me with the whole situation, and why I haven't really been paying too much attention to it recently, is because you have everybody has their political position, and everybody is just pointing fingers at everybody else. Like, for example, um it's either I think it was Corey Booker or Hakeem Jeffries, uh, one of the Democrat uh politicians, and uh somebody said that he was he was in there and he said that's a goddamn bold-faced lie. I mean, he was really emphatic. And then they've got an email from him, you know, asking for money from Jeffrey Epstein after. And we're not talking about the uh what's her name, uh Crash Out Crockett. Uh we're not talking about that Jeffrey Epstein, who's like a doctor. Right, right. A different this was him specifically asking for money from the Jeffrey Epstein after he'd been convicted of the sex offenses.

SPEAKER_04 13:10

Who is this?

SPEAKER_00 13:11

Uh it's either Cory Booker or Hake Hakeem Jeffries, one of the two.

SPEAKER_04 13:15

So Yeah, but convenient you you bring up the Democrat side.

SPEAKER_00 13:19

Oh, yeah, but uh, because you clearly are a conservative, you know. I I am a libertarian, I need both of them. So, you know, everybody's pointing at each other and say, Trump's in this, Trump's in that, Trump's, and and then he's like, oh, how could you Hakeem Jeffries, Nancy Pelosi? Everybody's pointing at each other, and we're getting confused as to actually what it is we're seeing. Now, when you look at like Lloyd was talking about, there are emails in there where there are emails to and from Jeffrey Epstein. There are emails in there where they're to and from Jeffrey Epstein where they're talking about other people. And then the FBI apparently set up an anonymous tip email, you know, if Jeffrey Epstein molested you, email us here. All right.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

It's fine, it's not funny. It's not funny.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

It's in the way he delivered it, it was right.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

And they get like 500,000 emails, and uh, you know, and so when people say, well, Trump's in the Epstein files, look at where you find him, right? All right, in the context. When it comes to the victims, all right, all of the victims said he had nothing to do with it. Brad Edwards, all right, who works right up the street from here and went to law school with me, he's he said Trump had nothing to do with it.

SPEAKER_02 14:42

And he doesn't like Trump, he sued Trump, right?

SPEAKER_00 14:44

Yeah, I think so. But he said Trump was the only one that helped and gave a deposition, all right, without a subpoena and gave useful information.

SPEAKER_04 14:54

So and if he listen again, if if he had any kind of criminal tie to this man, you don't think that would have come out under the Biden administration? I hate that people dodge that argument.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

And then but here's the thing. Then what happens is people turn to that third section of documents where it's the anonymous tips. Oh, yeah. Where it's like you know, Trump uh, you know, raped my three-month-old child and sacrificed it to ball and on and on and on. And that has that is how crazy some of these emails are. Now, you all of us deal with crazy people. I was trying to explain this to my son the other day, who's just like, well, dad, you know, some of those, you know, there are crazy things that go on in the world. I'm like, no, I deal with crazy people. I can get a feel for whether somebody's crazy three sentences in.

SPEAKER_03 15:47

Right. All right, if that.

SPEAKER_00 15:48

And I'm just like, that is the ramblings of a lunatic, you know. And that is the majority of, if not all, of the horrible things that were said about Donald Trump, and the majority of things that were said about most politicians, all right, no, both sides, are all in the anonymous tip emails. Now, just this is hypothetically, if I didn't like you and I thought it would be funny, I could have gone ahead and written. There's a lawyer in Fort Lauderdale named Danny Rosenberg who's said.

SPEAKER_04 16:26

What do you mean all your searches?

SPEAKER_00 16:29

I could have done that, and your name would have been in the Jeffrey Epstein files.

SPEAKER_04 16:33

Exactly. So here's what the thing is I think that this story strings on a lot of strings for people, right? Yeah. One, rich people. This assumption that all look, first of all, let me put this out there. Clearly, there is atrocious behavior going on here with a group of people that are high profile, that have access to money, and I don't know what the hell the story there is, but it's bad shit happening. The extent of it is definitely something that needs to be investigated. Who literally was doing this stuff should be investigated, but properly, okay? But I think what it does is it touches on a few things that are already like emotional for people. Class, right? Rich people. People that aren't rich hate rich people. And now there's these movies that make it seem like rich people are eating people and all this stuff, and like it's some common thing. And I don't know, maybe it is, but I don't, I would like to think that's not a common thing, but I don't know. That's one, right? Then you also now have uh Jews. You got the Jewish angle. Let's talk about that, right? Because now they got an Epstein. Yeah. And if they got an Epstein, there must be a there must be a Jewish connection. And if there's a Rothschild, there's a Rusteen. And if there's a Rusteen, there's a Cohen, and then boom, boom, you got that angle in there.

SPEAKER_00 17:50

That's because that's all true.

SPEAKER_02 17:51

Right. Then you ask Well, Tucker Carlson, didn't he come out and say that President Herzog was in the files? And then just and just yesterday he admitted he lied about that. Ehud Barak was on there. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 18:02

Again, let's talk about that now. All right. Okay. We already broke down this whole Mossad tie with you last time to the point where you're like, yeah, it's bullshit, right? Like, yeah. I don't know. There's no evidence. Yeah, here's the thing I love about you as a friend, as a brother. You'll say whatever, you'll stroke whatever thing there is, but your fucking intelligence does not abandon you at any point. Your emotional intelligence does a lot, but your intelligence never goes away. So if I break down things to you, you your your mind will be like, Yeah, it's bullshit. Because you can't, you can't, right? So when somebody said Gisbel Maxeline, her father had known, what was it, ties, known ties to Mossad.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

Yeah, apparently six Mossad agents.

SPEAKER_04 18:42

Okay, let's first what if we break this down again? Because you know, Mossad puts out a roster of all the people. I know they do. Right now I can go look up, and I said I have to have access to the database. Oh shut I'm in the Jewish conspiracy call, and we go over the whole roster. I've been in a couple of years. We do a fantasy football draft on Mossad agents.

SPEAKER_00 19:02

I just want to be on the call. That's it. So just want to hear.

SPEAKER_04 19:04

I mean, I broke that down, right? So I technically have a tie to Mossad because my family is in the military, and someone in the military must know someone in the Mossad, and they're Jewish, and they're Israeli. So Danny's got ties to the Mossad, right? That's that's as simple as that. So that got broken down. Jislay Maxwell's father, and it wasn't even a Mossad agent, it was an intelligence operative. I don't know what the hell that means.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

I don't know what that means either.

SPEAKER_04 19:26

Exactly. So it's all these bland things, right? And then you add in the sexual innuendo and islands, and and then you throw names around, right? You throw names like what we do have though, if we're looking at names, I'm looking, I I asked, like, what are the high-profile names, right? Bill Clinton, he keeps coming up. He keeps coming up, but that's not a shock to all of us. No, I don't know that he's doing all this crazy stuff, but he's clearly if anybody would do that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

I'm more concerned about the hairstyle.

SPEAKER_02 19:57

What's going on with the hairstyle? He looks like an old lady. Have you seen him lately? Are you talking about Bill and Clinton?

SPEAKER_04 20:04

No, Clinton. No, so what it says here is that he was frequently referenced in flight logs and contacts. If you're flying to the private island and you're on the logs, maybe I'm not sure. Well, hold on.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

Let's Trump on that log? Wait a second. You just said something very important. Right. Flying to that island. So there's a distinction. There are people that were in the flight logs that were flying from New York to Florida, but not necessarily to the island. So that's so this is a distinction.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

It wasn't just a it just wasn't a ferry back and forth. Right. So explain it then. That was his private. In other words, that's what people are saying.

SPEAKER_04 20:44

It doesn't mean that he was going to the island. Correct. I flew on his plane, but I didn't go to the island. That's what I'm talking about. But the general public doesn't know that he was on the flight lines, going to the island. They're picturing him going to the island with underage girls on the plane on top of them. Like, I mean, that's what the that's the picture that's being portrayed. Yeah, that's it. Because now am I a dick when I start to question it? People start attacking me. Last time we did a segment, people were attacking me in the comments, like, why are you defending this behavior? I'm like, who the hell is defending the behavior?

SPEAKER_02 21:10

I saw a comment on one of our last podcasts where we were simply talking about the the pretty shooting by ice. And somebody actually made a comment that all we all we care about is having more people killed by ice. And I'm like, how did that person get that from our podcast? Unbelievable. Where we were simply talking about, you know, whether it was smart to do it, whether it was smart to carry a gun, whether, you know, and and whether or not law and order should be followed, and and if and you know, we emphasize the tragedy of it all and and empathetic to the cause and all those things. And that's what that person got. Well, you just want all ice to kill everybody. So they're gonna attack you if you start digging into any kind of narrative. In other words, if you don't accept it, hook, line, and sinker, you're gonna get attacked. You signed up for that.

SPEAKER_04 21:55

I mean, it literally, this one is a search on all conspiracy topics. Like it's People looking almost like a word search. Like oh Israel, Israel, Russia, China, right?

SPEAKER_02 22:06

Like it's like literally By the way. Did you see this allegation about the Trump one? What is it? About the measuring of the vulvas. Oh my God. How the fuck do you even do that? Oh my God. Well, according to this again, an anonymous tip with no contact information. This is from the FBI summary. This is an anonymous tip. This is an anonymous tip. Donald Trump, the president, had parties at Mar-a-Lago called calendar girls, quote unquote. Jeffrey Epstein would bring the children in and Trump would auction them off. He measured the children's vulva and vaginas by entering a finger and rated the children on tightness. The guests were elder men and included Elon Musk, Don Jr., Ivanka. I mean, come on. I mean, so this is the allegation. I did it on purpose. I know.

SPEAKER_04 22:56

But the point is gonna make people go, oh, that's complete. Right. There's no But who's the fact that an anonymous tip comes out and that goes all over the internet is insane. Right. Right? For listeners and viewers, that is literally an anonymous tip. There's no evidence whatsoever that that happened. Right. That Lloyd just named all these people here. You know what I mean? And he and he did it on purpose to show you how quick that can go. Yes. Now, if someone watches this, doesn't watch the full clip, or watches a short clip of what was just said and says, Oh, there's evidence that this and this.

SPEAKER_02 23:28

That's exactly my point. So if you read that on the internet, you automatically be like, that's disgusting. Right. That's filth. Right. It should be impeached immediately. Right. And that's the comments we get. Like all these people should burn and of course. And then you find out it's an anonymous tip with no sources. Right. Right? With with no contact information, no corroboration. Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:47

And by the way, it's very dangerous. All of the tips that uh implicated President Trump were investigated and found to be without any merit.

SPEAKER_04 23:56

Well, how about how about Clinton? Well, he's not arrested. I have a question. No, no, I want to hear you defend Clinton for a second, too. I'm just messing with you. You have a clear bias.

SPEAKER_00 24:05

I like Bill Clinton. If I had to do that, you're exonerating Trump. Why are you only exonerating Trump? Exonerating too. Exonerate Clinton? He has some evidence. He's been not arrested. Hillary would have killed him.

SPEAKER_01 24:19

He has more of a reputation, you know, for that kind of thing. Oh, he does.

SPEAKER_02 24:23

He definitely does. That's the problem with him, you know. What about the Department of Justice being the investigators here? I mean, that's a partisan organization. Or am I wrong about that?

SPEAKER_04 24:33

Yeah, but it but it was for the other side too.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

Well, but let's. I'd never think we're getting an equal balance. Yes, of course. But but but what about that? I mean, if your own Justice Department is the one investigating you, right? And you're and and and you're Donald Trump, you know, you're you're somebody who you may, you know, it may be difficult to investigate, like, you know, objective. I'm not going to say this and I'm not defending him.

SPEAKER_04 24:57

But he's probably the only one that can say both Department of Justice has investigated me on this, right? Yeah. Yeah. Because he had how many years? Because the Republicans were screaming release the Epstein files while the Democrats were in office, right? Yeah. And now the Democrats are screaming, release the Epstein files when the Republicans are in the office.

SPEAKER_02 25:15

Yeah, and they all they each blame each other for all that. I don't get involved in that tit for tat, but I I think that the general idea makes perfect sense to me, you know, which is if there was something on Trump, it would have been released long ago. Somebody would have released somebody. There's enough people that hate him, right? Yeah, I mean, look, if you if you've been a way.

SPEAKER_00 25:33

Yeah, I mean, they've been investigating him since like 2015, and the worst they found on him was, you know, uh bad QuickBooks entry. Shit. I mean, they I mean, any of us, if they looked at that hard since 2015, we'd have a lot worse than a worst than a QuickBooks entry.

SPEAKER_02 25:50

Right. The one thing, the one thing they found on him in 11 years of all of these investigations and prosecutions is that he paid off Stormy Daniels. I know. Right. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 26:00

That's it. I think the most intriguing thing though, we talked about this on the episode. This isn't new. The most intriguing thing was that case that got closed. That started out federal and got closed as a state. You know about that, Lloyd? He explained that. Break that down to Lloyd again in a bit.

SPEAKER_00 26:17

Basically, uh he was with a costa. Basically, got a target letter from the feds that he was being investigated. And then uh he was, I don't think he was ever indicted federally for it. Who is this? Uh Jeffrey Epstein. Oh. And but then uh the feds went ahead and took the step of working with the Palm Beach County State Attorney's Office and giving him a uh instead of charging him federally, he got one count of uh soliciting prostitution from a minor, one year in prison, but it was like he could check out.

SPEAKER_02 26:55

Oh, I remember this. Yes, this was the state case in 08.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

Yeah, and Alex Acosta, who was part of the first Trump administration, was when he was like, Why am I going to like give up the federal case to give this to the state court? And the pro the um plea, the plea deal was nobody who was related to this even tangentially could ever be prosecuted, state or federal. And uh, Alex Acosta was told uh he's an intelligence asset back off. And so that's when the you know he just walked into court one day, pled guilty, right, and left.

SPEAKER_02 27:33

I remember.

SPEAKER_00 27:34

And uh so I mean that's a hell of a plea deal.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

That's suspicious. I remember when that happened. It was suspicious then.

SPEAKER_04 27:40

Right. So let me ask you this Prince Andrew, what's his tie to all this?

SPEAKER_00 27:45

Uh he's in pictures.

SPEAKER_04 27:48

There's a photo I know, but you're photographs. Asking for the evidence. What's the evidence against him?

SPEAKER_00 27:52

Oh, he's in pictures with uh little girls. Minor. Uh what was her name? Virginia or something. Guthrie? No, no. Uh Guffrey. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:02

She's a minor in the picture with him at the time. And uh he been, but they can't really do anything.

SPEAKER_02 28:08

She killed herself a couple last year or the year. Oh, she did?

SPEAKER_04 28:10

Yeah. I didn't know that. So so they can't charge him.

SPEAKER_02 28:14

Not with that. I don't know. He got arrested yesterday or something. Yeah, but I don't believe it was. Was it but did he get arrested? Was it him that got arrested? No, he was arrested. He was arrested in a couple days, like uh four or five days ago. Okay, what the British government arrested him. Well, do we know what the arrest was? No, we don't know what it we don't know.

SPEAKER_04 28:27

They don't they're not announcing the charges? No. And then the Mendelssohn guy I saw, he just got arrested. Right? And he got arrested for having contact with him post-conviction. What the hell does that mean? Do we know? We don't know.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

Was Mendelssohn a convicted felon? Because you know how you they can say you're not allowed to associate with a convicted felon.

SPEAKER_02 28:46

If you're on parole or is he? I don't know anything about that guy.

SPEAKER_04 28:49

Yeah. I mean, that's the thing, is it's just all this like conjecture going around, but nobody knows anything really. You know, and they we're never gonna find out either. Sorry, the emails. The Justice Department confirmed because I don't know what I saw. I saw something where you can go on a website and you literally can see every email the guy put out for like five years.

SPEAKER_02 29:07

That's what the Justice Department released. Yeah, on US uhjustice.gov, I think their own website. You can see the whole dump if you have the time. There's thousands and thousands of documents. Yeah, but if they release it, they must think. Well, but this is my point. Like they can charge anybody besides Epstein. No.

SPEAKER_00 29:27

Well, Glenn Maxwell's opposite.

SPEAKER_02 29:29

And said she would only answer questions if she was granted clemency. So what does she know?

SPEAKER_04 29:37

I don't I've heard people say it's a nonsense story, to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_02 29:40

And I don't know if that's true. I don't think it's a nonsense story. I think I think there's a lot of truth to it.

SPEAKER_04 29:46

Maybe to the ties to as many people as they're trying to tie it to.

SPEAKER_02 29:48

Yeah, I mean, look, come on, let's be real. You know, people with lots of money that you know are connected and like to have fun and play, of course, drugs and women are going to be part of that. Children, uh, that's that's where you draw the line. But you know, just on a general level, you know, if you have a lot of money and you have that kind of personality, you know, those are the things that are that it's easy to have that, you know, to be involved in your recreational life. Right.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

What are most of our cases involved? Most of our cases involve drugs, alcohol, sex. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:24

But the underage thing, that's that's that's not that's not acceptable.

SPEAKER_00 30:27

Yeah, that's not a common one for us, even that, you know.

SPEAKER_02 30:30

Right. But um no, children I've I haven't seen maybe two or three child molestation cases in my entire career. Yeah, no, it's just those aren't they're not fun cases.

SPEAKER_04 30:42

No. Now Ahud Barak, you named Ahud Barak. Ahud Barak, first of all, is one of the most least liked prime minister in Israeli history, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

Maybe by Israelis. Okay, but right?

SPEAKER_04 30:52

No, but by okay, first of all, you're gonna start bringing that argument into it. I don't know. Don't start bringing the pro Pally shit on here, all right?

SPEAKER_00 31:00

The Palestinians like him?

SPEAKER_04 31:01

Okay, if they should be weary of him. Okay, you should they should like him, but uh gave them Gaza. What's the allegation with him? That he's in the emails?

SPEAKER_00 31:10

Yeah, well, he's emailing back and forth with Jeffrey Epstein directly. And Jeffrey Epstein sends something.

SPEAKER_04 31:15

Was he a prime minister, acting prime minister? I don't think he was at the time. Okay. What were they talking about?

SPEAKER_00 31:19

And uh he said, well, there is one email.

SPEAKER_04 31:22

Double crossed right there. He said double-crossed examine, not double crossed.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

He said, make sure that you tell them they were gonna like meet with some people, and he said, and make sure that you tell them that I most definitely do not work for the Mossad. And he sent the winky face emoji.

SPEAKER_02 31:40

Yeah, sarcasm.

SPEAKER_00 31:41

Yeah, exactly. So, I mean, I you who knows, you know, who knows? But you know, he's emailing with Ehud Barak, just about meeting meeting people and talking to people. There's nothing in there which says Ehud Barak eats children or anything like that.

SPEAKER_04 31:58

Right. That's assumed. Yeah, I'm just saying, but like but it just him being in there is enough juice, right? So no pun intended.

SPEAKER_00 32:08

It doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't do anything for me. Uh it doesn't? No. Well, yeah, I'm doing that to troll you, Danny.

SPEAKER_04 32:19

No, but it's funny, you know what's annoying to me? And I'll be honest with you, I walk in whenever I walk in to any room right now, right? And like, and I'm the only Jewish guy in the room. I swear to God, it's always right now, it's the white guy, right? Is the white guy that turns and looks at me and goes, Hey Danny, what do you think of all this Epstein shit? I don't know. I don't, I don't know. Like, am I the only I'm the Jewish representative, apparently, for the fores.

SPEAKER_00 32:45

But it's start speaking to him in Hebrew and say it's confidential.

SPEAKER_04 32:48

Oh like, is that that Talmudic stuff? You know, that's the stupid shit we're hearing out there. And you have one bad person. We talk about this all the time. You got a bad person who happens to be Jewish, and then people run loose with that, and it's annoying. If this guy's name was Jeffrey Smith, I guarantee this story wouldn't be that goddamn big.

SPEAKER_00 33:09

There are no Smiths that are Jewish?

SPEAKER_04 33:10

Yeah, I'm telling you, shut up. Maybe. No, it's not a Jewish name. It's not a Jewish name. But what I will say is that it would. Do you agree with that? You think it would be nearly the story?

SPEAKER_02 33:19

Yeah, I think if his name was Hassan Mohammed. Sean Adams. If we wouldn't have heard about it at all.

SPEAKER_04 33:24

Yeah. Well, if it was that name, it might have been like, I don't even want to go into that.

SPEAKER_00 33:28

I think you would something on this scale. I don't think the fact that he's Jewish has anything to do with it.

SPEAKER_04 33:33

Oh, God. Do me a favor. Do me a favor. It wouldn't be this scale if it wasn't him being Jewish.

SPEAKER_00 33:40

So you're saying that he's better at it because he's a Jewish? Oh shit. He's able to do that. I would love to do it. Let's have a whole show on stereotypes.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

On Jewish stereotypes.

SPEAKER_04 33:51

I said that it's only this.

SPEAKER_02 33:52

Are we almost done? I have babies to harvest.

SPEAKER_04 33:54

Oh, God. You should take this shit down immediately, dude. Like, this isn't going anywhere. We might as well talk about whatever we want to talk about.

SPEAKER_00 34:03

So here's the thing.

SPEAKER_04 34:05

I'm saying it wouldn't get the publicity if it wasn't an Epstein name involved.

SPEAKER_00 34:09

I think it would.

SPEAKER_04 34:10

Oh, stop. You know how many ignorant anti-Semites are throwing this in my face right now?

SPEAKER_02 34:16

Probably a few. Oh, um. I'm having a good time watching the hockey comments about the Hughes brothers.

SPEAKER_04 34:21

Oh, yeah, exactly. People that like just won a gold medal for the game.

SPEAKER_02 34:24

The Jews are like the Jews are all happy and celebrating, like, oh, he's he's Jewish, and now all the anti-Semites are like, nah, he's American. What does him being Jewish have to do with it?

SPEAKER_01 34:33

Yeah, there's a differentiation. It's like every day is another mind blow. If he was doing something wrong, it would be the Jew. Yeah, like, oh, but since they won the American, no, he's Jewish. Right. But since they won the gold medal, it's what does his Jewishness have to do with it? He's American. Repaired his Jewishness. Oh my God. Every day is another shut up. What were you guys saying?

SPEAKER_00 34:53

I mean, there was like in the Summer Olympics, they had, you know, congratulations to this female soccer player who is the first out-of-the-closet lesbian, this, that, and the other to win an Olympic gold medal. And I'm like, so fucking what? Good game. All right. It's like I don't, I don't give a shit. You know, and you you like to go down on chicks? That's your business.

SPEAKER_01 35:14

Like, but yeah, so let me Is YouTube taking us off for that comment?

SPEAKER_04 35:18

Honestly, if they ever catch wind of him, all of it's coming up. Let me ask you this Olympics. What do you think of that person? We're switching topics here for the last 10 minutes. What do you think of that Olympic athlete that came out? Did you hear that? No. Came out shitting on the United States, basically saying, Well, you know, in these tough times, it's kind of I'm conflicted wearing the stripes. Then go fucking home. Yeah, that pissed me off so bad. Basically saying because of Trump and politics.

SPEAKER_02 35:48

Well, this is but this is part of the bigger issue. Okay. In the old days, it was about patriotism, right? You wanted to stand for the flag. You wanted to, you know, say I'm an American. Right. And now it's all about me. You're not in the Olympics for the Americans. You're in the Olympics for you. Right.

SPEAKER_00 36:04

And that's what that person And let's take a look at something comparing this to the last Summer Olympics, where the International Olympic Committee banned Russia from competing. All right. But their athletes were allowed to compete for other nations as long as they didn't publicly support the war in the Ukraine. So there's a guy, Abdul Rashad Sajalaev, all right, the Russian tank, two-time Olympic gold medalist, like six-time world champion in wrestling. And he just said no. You know, he's just like, I support the war in Ukraine and I'm not going to compete for another country. Go F yourself. And, you know, because he he's proud to be Russian. All right. He he was not going to back off of that. But I mean, when you look at, I mean, we have in this country what we could call first world problems. All right. When you're on, you look at the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, all right, and you've got the very basic, which is, you know, food, shelter, water, all right, and you then you start moving up. And when you get to the top, you have what is uh like self-enlightenment or whatever, self-actualization. That's it. All right. And that's enlightenment, whatever. When you get to the top, that's good. When you can sit there once everything is so comfortable for you, then you start saying, Maybe I was born in the wrong body and I'm really a girl. That was a long way to get to that. Because because you have nothing to worry about. Because you because I mean I guarantee you that if you were still foraging for food, all right, or trying to hunt wild animals, you would embrace your masculinity quite a little bit more. But since we have people out there who are killing the animals for you, you can do all this self-introspection. And you know, it's so it's such bull.

SPEAKER_04 37:59

How did you get to that from the athlete not being pro-America? But it's fine. I the point's well taken.

SPEAKER_00 38:04

Yeah. I don't know. I just flow with it.

SPEAKER_04 38:07

It's is it is that what it's called the flow? Yeah, just no, but you know, that that it really pissed me off. Because my view is this, dude. Listen, if you're not proud to be American, don't go represent the American union. Who cares about the politics right now and who's the president right now? And it used to be deeper than that. Yeah. There used to be a camaraderie, like, we're Americans, it doesn't matter. Like, yeah, maybe you don't like the guy in office now, he's a scumbag or he talks like.

SPEAKER_02 38:32

Well, that's why I love the video of the hockey team in the in the locker room after the game. Right. You know, and it was just pride and patriotism.

SPEAKER_04 38:39

Yeah, before they were screaming the like the the chant. Like that's what that's to me what the Olympics are about. And I think to most countries, that's what it's about. And and when you see like, you know, people shaming countries because of what's going on geopolitically, I think that's terrible too. You know what I mean? I think, you know, like if uh if Iran is competing in in the Olympics, those athletes shouldn't be blamed for what's going on with the regime. Yeah. If Israelis are competing and you want to shame an Israeli athlete because you're a scumbag with your bobs that pissed me off too. Go fuck yourself. He made that about himself. Shut the fuck up. Don't get on a mic. This is what it's about. This is about competition in sports. Right. This is about the finest athletes from all the all the lands and all the world coming together and competing. You can't shut up about a you can't shut up about politics for a second. Get off the mic.

SPEAKER_02 39:27

I just feel like shitting on your own country, uh, on the public space. That's the worst. It's like it's it's a terrible thing to do. And it's like, you know, you it's like your family, right? You can fight with your family and you could talk shit about your family all day long. But if somebody else does it, they better be careful, right? It's the same thing. You you you know, you put on a united front and you support your country, and then you, you know, behind closed doors, you go try to do what you can to fix what's broken.

SPEAKER_04 39:52

Right, right. You don't speak out. What do they say to Corleones? Don't ever speak out on the family.

SPEAKER_00 39:57

Yeah, the don't ever take sides against the family. That's right.

SPEAKER_04 40:00

That's right. It's a true quote. It is. Who the hell are you? You don't want to compete, you don't want to wear a there's the worst part is there are droves of people that would take your spot. You know how many people would die to be able to compete for their country once and say that they compete for a country? Here you are, you pompous ass. Yeah. You're sitting on the country. Well, we'll get earlier. What is it? You're like a millisecond better than the guy behind you, even if that go fuck yourself. We'll take the next guy in line. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 40:25

What's what it's winter Olympics. So I said, what sport was it?

SPEAKER_04 40:32

Mike's got to offend every single person. Hockey's a sport.

SPEAKER_00 40:35

Hockey's a sport. I'll give you that.

SPEAKER_02 40:37

Hockey's their sport. Skiing, those that that downhill, that that snowboard jump, whatever raw. What's the the one with the the jump where they fly? That thing. That that you gotta badass. You gotta call that anybody with it. Curling, I agree, is ridiculous. With the with the balls that big, I don't even know how they stay in the air that long. How did curling become a sport?

SPEAKER_04 40:57

I have no idea, but it was like a water. Did the one guy cheated? Did you see the whole guy was cheating? There's a whole yeah, he's got his little finger. It's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_00 41:04

Yeah, and it originated in the kitchen. It's like sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet. Oh, stop. Here we go.

SPEAKER_04 41:11

Any sport that can be affected that much by a finger, yeah, is not a sport too. Yeah. All right. If you can win based on that, it's not. I mean, I I would I could call it a competition, not a sport.

SPEAKER_02 41:22

Yeah. Well, you gotta have to have some core strength and some, you know, they're on the ice, they're on the ski. So it's a pissing, so it's a piston contest. It's not the Olympics.

SPEAKER_00 41:30

It's like bowling. All right. Oh, God.

SPEAKER_04 41:33

Yeah, bowling is a little bit more of a skill. It's a skill, it's a skill, a competition, not a sport.

SPEAKER_00 41:38

Bowling is a physical, it involves physical activity and it's a competition. It's not a sport. A sport kind of like involves an offense and a defense. All right. Like people who call hunting a sport. Hunting's not a sport. If the deer had gun, then it would be a sport.

SPEAKER_04 41:54

I agree with that. I agree with that. It's not, you know, sitting it's just basically you shooting animals. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:59

Sitting up in a deer stand waiting for Bambi to eat food that you planted out in the field for it. So you can shoot. So you can shoot it from a distance.

SPEAKER_04 42:08

Yeah. When I thought of hunting, I used to think of like Bayobilly walking around like chopping like the fucking way through the path and like hand fighting tigers. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 42:17

Well, I like, I mean, I'm actually think that the guys who go out and hunt wild boars with swords. I I think that's that's fair.

SPEAKER_04 42:25

I call that a sport. That's a sport. I'd rather watch that than curling. Yeah. But on that thing, I think we'll end it here because this is spiraling to know where nowhere good, I don't think. But thank you guys for coming on. Obviously, hope this Epstein thing will keep going on. We'll cover it again. If there's something substantial to cover, again, we just did this whole episode, and did we find anything new out? No, no. No, there's absolutely nothing.

SPEAKER_02 42:48

And everybody's like, oh, just see all this new shit. And with all those documents that have been dumped, again, an AI search would have found some red meat. Right. And so far, nothing. I'd like to see somebody get arrested based on probable cause, of course. Based on probable cause. Based on the allegations that are being made.

SPEAKER_04 43:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 43:05

Not just ties, and I I need to see everybody's just pointing the finger at everybody, and everybody has a vested interest in lying about their own involvement and trying to show the other person's involvement. So we're never going to get a real answer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:19

These are the kind of things where no one talks.

SPEAKER_04 43:21

Yeah. And this is why some people say it's a non-story, even though it's not a non-story. I agree. But all right, thank you boys for coming on. We'll have you guys on again soon. Thank you. To all my listening viewers, thank you for watching. Two taps and friends. Please like, subscribe to the channel. Like you say, if you like and subscribe to the channel, give us more outreach. We bring more guests on, more panel on. We can bring up more topics. Thank you guys for listening and watching. We're everywhere. We're on YouTube, we're on iHeartRadio, Instagram, Facebook. I can keep naming things. Any platform you can think of, we're on because our marketing team's amazing. Thank you all for watching. Thank you all for listening. We love you all. See you next time. Goodbye. Cut