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Kosha Dillz | Beats, Bars, And Scars... Rap Artist & Activist Kosha Dillz Unfiltered #71

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Host Daniel Rosenberg sits down with rapper, activist, and filmmaker Kosha Dillz — known to the world as Rami Matan Even-Esh. From releasing his first record in 2005 and collaborating with artists like Mos Def and Matisyahu, to creating the documentary Bring the Family Home.  Rami shares how his Jewish identity, personal experiences, and creative drive have shaped his path.

They explore life on college campuses, the realities of street activism (including a recent assault at a vigil), the challenges of media narratives, and why documenting your own journey matters more than chasing virality. A grounded, honest conversation about resilience, community reputation, artistic integrity, and staying true to your story amid cultural tension.


Whether you’re drawn to hip-hop, Jewish identity, filmmaking, or thoughtful conversations about our times, this episode offers perspective, humanity, and quiet strength.

⏰ Timestamps ⏰
00:00:00 👋 Intro 
1:03 🎤 Who is Kosha Dillz?
1:43 📽️ October 7th and the Birth of “Bring the Family Home”
3:53 🏛️ College Campuses & Facing Hostility
7:33 ⚠️ The Recent Assault at the Vigil
12:33 🗣️ Jewish Reputation, Strength & Community
16:03 🌆 New York Reality vs. Media Narrative
21:48 🎵 The Evolution of Music & Virality
27:33 📸 Documenting the Journey
33:03 🔄 Closing Reflections & Future Projects

If you were documenting your own journey right now, what story would you most want the next generation to see?

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SPEAKER_00

And mind you, I got assaulted by like seven. I got hit from the side. I did not even see it coming. I got up and then I got arrested. A lot of people were like, you're a hero, you know. And I'm like, I'm not a hero. I'm also not a victim. The new film is called Bring the Family Home. It's based on a song I made on October 7th after hearing a bunch of people yell free ballast dying at a show. The main question is, why is it worse after everyone has come home? I don't want to just make short form one minute and then it dies, you know. I want to tell my story, and I don't want other people to tell my story. Film is like a great way to, you know, get to another level of like artistic integrity and respect where people could review your film for being a good film and not just being Jewish or Israel and attaching that.

SPEAKER_01

Rami Evanesh, he is known by uh he's a he's a big rapper, is known as Kosha Dills. Welcome to Two Taps and Friends. Grab your favorite drink, get comfy, and let's dive into another episode of Two Taps and Friends. Welcome back to Two Taps and Friends. I'm the host of the show, Danny Rosenberg. Today I have a very special guest on. I've been trying to get him on this show for a while. He is Rami Evanesh. He is known by uh he's a he's a big rapper, is known as Kosha Dills. He is all over social media. He has done collabs with some of the biggest artists. He's a very, very talented artist. He's worked with the likes of most deaf, Matisiahu, MF Doom. He is currently involved in the production of a big documentary movie that's just come out that is uh that is uh just was at the Sun Art Festival. It's called Bring the Family Home. It's an incredible uh documentary regarding the October 7th uh atrocities. Rami, welcome on the show. It's a pleasure to have you, my friend. I'm a big fan. All right, what's going on?

SPEAKER_00

All right, dude. I don't think I worked at MF Doom, sadly, but I've rapped over his beats. But Okay. Well then I was listening, because I've I've rapped with so many people that at a certain point I was like, oh yeah, I did a show with him. I did a da-da-da. Right, right. Right. Because uh I was in I was in Holland, and of course, most deaf is sort of infamous for showing up really late. So I think I ended up performing for like 6,000 people in Tolberg, Holland. Thanks, Most Deaf. I mean, it's really fun.

SPEAKER_01

Well, he kept you, he kept you on your feet. But uh uh Rami, tell me tell me a little bit about your uh tell me give an intro to the viewers and listeners about you and how and how you got to where you are and and how you got to this uh amazing place that you are right now, if you could.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, um my name is Rami Evanesh, Kosha Dills. Uh the rap name been released in a rap I released my first record in 2005, first tour really in 2008. Um, a lot of the music I made has uh, you know, Jewish heritage identity in it. And uh it really comes from a place of not wanting to embrace that. And uh the new film is called Bring the Family Home. It's based on a song I made on October 7th after hearing a bunch of people yell Free Palestine at a show on October 7th, you know, um, as per usual. And I thought, you know, I started making music of the times, you know, as an artist makes music reflecting the times. And I started doing interviews on college campuses that really pretty much doubled my following of working hard for about 15 years in in about um you know 15 weeks. And it was just sort of a break that uh, you know, now I I I changed it into a film. It's an 83-minute film about being hostage to the hostage crisis. And uh I think you know, the main question is why is it worse after everyone has come home? And you know, and other than that, I'm on, you know, I've got Super Bowl commercials, the Billboard Charting album, I'm on Wildin' Out and uh yeah, ma'am. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01

I'm doing a lot. That's awesome. Rami, tell me so. My parents are are Israeli. I I think your parents are Israeli too, is that right? What do you do? Tell me about your family. Both Israeli, right? Proud Israelis, um, Israeli Americans, you and I. Um But I I I I see that what you're doing on the college campuses and talk to me about, you know, you said that you first you started, you know, rapping when you started hearing Free Palestine, but talk to me about October 7th, where you were, the effect it had on you, and kind of before that. Right, I know. I know what I'm saying is like, but that like was a it immediately shook all of our lives and put us probably on different paths as well. I mean, I I talk about it on the podcast. I I debate Israel where I was never I was always a fierce advocate for Israel and the Jewish people, but like it's it's gotten to a whole nother level as you see. You are on the front lines, literally on the front lines. And uh we'll talk more about that. But talk to me about October 7th, where you were and how that affected your work and and if it's become the focus.

SPEAKER_00

I was doing a festival um called the um is it the it's like the pursuit of happiness stop festival. I feel like that's the acronym's messed up, but there's a dope rapper out there named 60 East. Um he's just a good guy. I've known him. I mean, you know, hip hop stuff. I lived in LA for a long time. I knew a lot of the people. And um, you know, Joel Santana was playing, uh Moral Technique was playing, and you know, Moral Technique sort of always been like revolutionary, you know, pro-Palestine, pro-revolution. I mean, you know, so it wasn't like anything out of the norm, but it kind of actually really inspired me that I was like, you know what, I'm gonna just go do my thing right now and book this session. And I, you know, I booked this session and I came up with uh Bring the Family Home on October 7th, and then I went and I, you know, I think we shot a little bit of the music video that night, and we were like, let's put it out tomorrow, you know, and people were and I had posting something online and I think it got more views in my IG story than I'd ever had before. Wow, and it was just like text, and I was like, wow, something really dramatic happened because you could tell the dramatic shift via media, right? And um that really, really, really uh made me notice that like by the time I put the music video out in the the week the next week, you know, things would drastically shift, and it did. And then and then I was just like, all right, the next song, next song, next song. And then the war went on for so long that you know the songs became more relevant at different times and this. And so, you know, that it got to the point where I was like, I don't even want to make short form video because this short form videos I don't think it's where I want to be creatively and I want to make film and and I want to have higher level discussions on a more, I don't know, um respectable level, right? Not just in I don't want to just make short form one minute and then it dies, you know. I want to tell my story and I don't want other people to tell my story, and I think that is happening like throughout, you know, media. So um, you know, film is like a great way to, you know, get to another level of like artistic integrity and respect where people could review your film for being a good film and not just being Jewish or Israel and attaching that.

SPEAKER_01

So right, that's awesome. And how did you get to so the college campuses? You you've been on the college campuses for for for years now, right? How and that was like the literally uh became like I don't even want the word is infested with these like uh these pro-Palestinian activists and these these just bad, bad actors. How did you start with that and and talk to me about how did that start and and and talk to me about that experience a little bit? What your experience has been there? Is it as hostile as what we see in these clips? Because you know, we're seeing snippets, right? But I can imagine you're sitting there all day.

SPEAKER_00

It's not. Um there's and this is the thing, you know, in the beginning you would say that there is a lot of um you know hostility. And the the majority of it is not, especially on college campuses, in my experience when I was there. Now, mind you, I'm not a college student, so it would be alive for me. You know what I'm saying? I'm a grown man, so when you go into a college campus, you you have to take a look at that. And a lot of people that are obsessing about the college campuses um or might even be causing more problems for the college students because they're not college students dealing with it. Now, I'm speaking as someone who went to college and I was selling drugs in college, and I went as an NCAA Division I art uh athlete and then left with multiple convictions.

SPEAKER_01

What did you play? Sorry to interrupt. What was your sport? Uh wrestled, I wrestled nice. My son's going to play lacrosse, division one. He's going up to Tamaris to play lacrosse.

SPEAKER_00

So, so you know when, and congratulations, that's awesome. But go ahead. It's just like I went to college campuses, and that is that had come up like maybe twice out of the 14 times of the college campuses that I went to. Um, once in like Chicago and then once in like Binghamton. And I was like, you know, I'm just gonna start performing in the middle of their encampment and like control this entire. And mind you, people were like, what the hell is going on? And this guy, what is he doing? And you're just kind of like, I don't know, this is what I'm gonna do. Um, and so and some of the kids really loved it. Some of the people really loved it, and the people online really love it. But does that actually help? Or does that help less like what does that do to bring down things? You know, I don't know. Right. Um, another time, Hassan Piker at the University of Chicago, which is in my film, um, you know, he had made a video about me. So I went and he's like speaking like this, like in a pod, in a very controlled environment. Yeah, Israel has nothing to do with Judaism. And I'm like, dude, what the fuck? You know, right, right, right. Oh, I got security, and it became like a whole thing, and I got kicked out, and then I'm like performing outside, and every and and the kid goes, What do you think this really does to help us? Like to help our cause or you know, and um some people it builds them confidence to do something, and other people they say, bro, this isn't a good look. And mind you, I was just in like something the other week, which was really, you know, I really had not been going because I finished this film and I really find that I have endless and endless and endless um content at protests that I don't need to do anymore. Right. Um I it's literally like uh Dungeons and Dragons meet. It's just like you could put no one would even know the difference. You're like, here's another protest, you know, and you're just like I mean, how many years were you doing it? You were doing it for two straight years, weren't you? Like really a year, year and a half, um for sure. And then I have stopped for like the past year. And then I went and I got you know um assaulted.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, talk to me about this latest incident. Yeah, what what what was that about I mean I follow you and I saw it. I was trying to get a fix on it. If you could tell the viewers, this is what you just went through.

SPEAKER_00

Right. I picked up a sign of the Ayatollah, who's you know, murdered 40,000, you know, protesters and and uh people, you know, standing up against the regime in Iran. And not that I'm Mr. Free Iran, and not that I'm not Mr. Free Iran, I'm just like, yeah, I stand with the people here that that want that, you know, right. Um, to change the regime. And also the people that are funding terrorism all around. I don't even think that's being an activist or anything. I think it's just kind of like bare minimum. Being a human, right? Yeah, bare minimum. For me, it's like bare minimum. I'm like, I'm gonna just take this off, and we're just gonna shut this down real quick and go on the rest of our day, buy coffee, like whatever. Right, right, right. And mind you, I got assaulted by like seven, I got hit from the side, I did not even see it coming. And in my mind, I was like, there's no way I'm gonna get assaulted by anybody because this is obviously ridiculous. Like, you know what I mean? This is just whatever. Maybe I'll shout with somebody. And I got hit, and then I just got ganged up on, and then I'm like, dude, and I woke up and then not wake up, I didn't get knocked out, but I got up and then I got arrested. You got arrested. That's the crazy part, right? And then the police said, You don't need stitches. And I'm like, why do I say I don't need stitches? And then my main goal was I didn't fight back because one, I was going to Canada in like a couple, you know, so I I, you know, just to go into Canada, like if you get an assault or something, like it'll totally can your entire Canada experience. Right. Um, and so, and I have a show in like an hour and a half, like a Purim. I was like narrating a play, my first play. And I'm like, dude, I cannot fuck this up for everyone. I literally came back from the UK to do this play, like it's a big thing. And I was considering like ditching it, and I was like, I don't know if I can do it. And I was so happy I did it. And I got and I got to do the play, and I and I knew that my actions, it's a lose-lose once you're in that situation. You're like, first I took debate of doing it, and then I'm like, oh, this is not like a regular protest, this was like a setup of uh a bunch of people, and it was a bunch of news cameras, and it was like almost like I felt like it was fashion week, and I was walking down a runway, and it was just like, oh man, like I'm the idiot that took debate to do this, and these guys are waiting to like everyone was waiting for this little media thing, right? And and that was it. And I and I thought to myself, man, like this is this is really dumb, right? This is like, you know, what everyone's like gonna say, What do you expect? I didn't go to a protest in a year, so mind you, I'm not I'm not even thinking. I was going to sound check in my mind. I was like stopping by, I'm on the phone with a guy talking about a show. Hey, I'm gonna go, you know. So that happened, and then I had to end up getting 10 stitches, you know, because I needed stitches, you know. My my my nose and my by my eye was kind of gashed out. Um and uh yeah, it was pretty, pretty scary, I would say, but also, you know, thank God I would say it was me versus somebody else that was would have been like, you know, F you, da da da, you know, whatever, and started freaking out on camera. I was sort of media trained to be in handcuffs and talk to 20 cameras that were filming me. So I was not really a bad representation, I think. Um, but like a lot of people were angry because of, you know, and like I said, people like, and this is what I talked about at the college campuses. Some people are like, well, what does this do to help the Jewish like people? And you're like, this actually makes us look bad. And some people it builds their confidence, and who knows what people are going through. And people, a lot of people were like, You're a hero, you know, and I'm like, I'm not a hero, I'm also not a victim, but uh, I have been victimized, but I'm not gonna like play. And it was kind of an emotional experience because it's been the first time I've actually like been injured on camera, and it's kind of it's kind of bugged out for people to see, you know. Uh it's also yeah, it's just bugged out to see your boy, and you're like, yo, I rock with that guy, and then he's in that situation. And you're you know, certain people avoid you. It kind of violence really pushes people away.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it well, it's scary to a lot of people. It's scary to people, but it is. I just had this panel on. I always have a panel. We talk about you know, the anti-Semitism and this Iran thing, and and and and we had uh, you know, we had a non-Jewish panel member, he's not Jewish, and he was like, Look, you know, the the community itself has to develop more of a tougher reputation. He was saying, and I'm like, what is that? I'm like, well, Israel's pretty tough, right? And so when you're saying I think it hurts the cause, but I I obviously you don't want to see violence, you don't want to see anything like that, but you're standing up, you know, from the one standpoint, you're standing up to this hostile bigotry, and and that has its thing too. I'm not condoning it, but you know what I'm saying? Like, there is a part of the community that I guess in a way that it it shows that we're gonna stand up. And and I think that the Jews do need to stand up for ourselves.

SPEAKER_00

Well, we come from we come from a community that if you ask the majority of Jewish kids, I'm not just say your kid or other kids, lacrosse kids are pretty, I would say tough because they're you know they're a little bit tougher. Right. But like, how many Jewish kids are getting into fist fights?

SPEAKER_01

Right. And I said that. I said we come from a di our homes are more focused on you know, Judeo-Christian principles, you know, like education, love, family. That's what the Jews are raised on, more as you know, beating people up. You know, it's a pretty animalistic.

SPEAKER_00

Not to say that other people are raised on beating people up. Right, right. I don't even know anyone who's raised on beating people up. Right, right, right. That if my parents, when I told them that, they were like, Did you punch them back? You know? Well, there's really um yeah, and but I was when I was 19, I was in a I was in an assault. I bet I've been to jail, this is my fifth time. So like so for me, not to say that it's good or bad, but from an era of thir 30s to 40s, if you look at the majority of Jewish kids in Jewish sort of life, um young Jewish professionals, whatever, um like things like that, people that have normal jobs, normal meaning, accountant, lawyer, maybe um, you know, nurses, uh, you know, legal, I don't know. Any anything of the sort where you're making $80,000 to $170,000 a year and you went to college and you did the whole shenanigans, right? Right. Most of those people have not been into fist fights in schools and elementaries and fights. I was getting into fights since I was like 13 years old. I was kidding, you know, and I wasn't even a bad kid. I just come from I just feel like that was an era where people just fought.

SPEAKER_01

Right. How old are you? You're about the same age as me. How old are you?

SPEAKER_00

44.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. I'm uh I'm older than you, 49. But yeah, you're right. Because it didn't used to be uh as much guns. It used to be people fought, you know, and that's that's that's the era we came up in.

SPEAKER_00

So like when I see your experience, and I saw it's it's a it's a video camera, right? So there is a fight, it's it's an iPhone, right?

SPEAKER_01

Right. And it didn't we never had that, it didn't exist, so we just things would just happen. It got talked about, and then everybody moved on, right? And that was it. But now it's plastered all over the place, especially you. You have a following now. So anything you do is gonna be under the microscope, my friend.

SPEAKER_00

It's a lose, it's a like I said, it's a lose-lose situation for me. Um I shouldn't be getting into if I want to do fighting, it's like I go to train and I pay for boxing lessons and you know, Kramaga or you know, wrestling, and then and then you in a controlled environment, or not every and and you're filming, you know, moves or wrestling, you know, and and that's it. Like, you know, I did I think the last thing I did on camera was like beach wrestling match in Israel or something like that, and you like throwing somebody, and you know, it's like it still gets the same reaction though from people online that while I mean I watch fighting stuff all the time. But in general, what that guy was speaking of is that our reputation is that we don't fight, we learn, you know, we don't fight, we work. We you know.

SPEAKER_01

Well, my question to you is like we see, you know, you're you're going to these protests on the ground, and I've seen them here and there, but I don't really go in the middle of all those like you do. How many of those do you because you know you hear stories about the you know, people being plugged in there and these organizations that go in there? Do they did a lot of them feel manufactured or they feel organic? What was your experience in all these? Because I there's a lot of players that are you're hearing story about like, I don't know if it's Iran or all these people planting groups there to kind of instigate. What is your experience? You're you're you're there face to face with the people. What was your experience with that?

SPEAKER_00

Well, I think you take like uh something that's, you know, it's not like they never were gonna protest. These are people that are like super down to do protest. Right. And then, you know, but the the the visual for the Ayatollah was sort of like definitely so provocative that it's gonna draw its um, you know, counter-protest. And then people are like, okay, we're gonna sit there, we're gonna film it, something's gonna happen, then we're gonna get the content that's chaotic, we're gonna take any blood or you know, this, and people attacking, we're gonna take some police attacking protesters, we're gonna put that in a newspaper, and then we're gonna move on. And then the next day they had the Jake Lang thing, the white supremacist guy that brought like a goat to the mansion, and he dropped off a pig at the Israeli restaurant, and and then they had the bomb, the guy yelled Al-Wakbar, and and that's like, all right, you know, the this protest on and I asked someone to do something, um, and the guy didn't even, you know, they were like, Oh, sorry, on to the next, and you're like, all right, man, this is kind of like this is just what this is. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01

And this and and you live right now, you're in the city, New York? Uh Brooklyn. You're in Brooklyn, right? So um and this was going on where? And man, where was that? Where was that vigil? This is man, this is in Washington Square Park. Washington Square Park, right? And um, so talk to me about the environment now in New York. I mean, obviously, Mandami's in play now, and you know, you hear from the outside in. You're a New Yorker, right? You live in New York. Uh, we're the outside looking in. They they make it seem like New York is just like it's just completely gone uh haywire. What's the environment? Have you noticed a shift since Mandami's come in? Or what are your thoughts on this whole thing? Being an Israeli American and Out and and with a high profile Israeli American like you, you know, what what what are you noticing? What's your thoughts on all this?

SPEAKER_00

I don't think um it's it's like that, to be honest, because I think you can pick and choose what to go to. I think some people know what's happening, other people just do not care, and it's not in their wheelhouse. And it's definitely like you choose to look at, you know, um, you choose to look at um the protests and the fights and the you know, mom donnie this, mom donny that, which is on a hundred percent valid, right? If that's if that's the thing you're you're right. Um but like I could just tell you my personal experience, you know. And that's why I try to my own personal experiences like um, you know, after I was assaulted, right? Not by one guy, like, you know what I'm saying? Like people ganged up on me, and there's video of me getting kicked while I'm like on the ground, you know? Right. And that's like um like you know, like I've been into fights in jail and stuff, and like that didn't happen, you know what I'm saying? So this kind of like a gang mentality of like multiple people jumping up on you. That's how it sort of metaphysically feels being isolated just by being like in the Israel's Israel space or anything to do with Israel now, that people just don't want to touch it. Like it's not anything personal against you, it's just that there's so much dramatic energy around it. Right, right. Better off to stay away from you until it cools down and you do something fun like St. Patrick's Day or like Passover, even though Passover is such a representation, like I'm gonna do the Seder on the subway, and it's gonna be like a positive news. And to be honest, let's say even somebody attacks you on the subway, which happened to me two years ago, or someone started berating it. We were shooting a music video, so I was like, Free Palestine, going to Columbia University. And it's really funny because it the woman is like just kind of it's like a New York City train person that you would expect to be screaming. She could say anything, she could be like muscle milk, like, right, right. She could have said anything, you know? Like, how did that, you know? And um, then it went smooth, but the news took that and then ran with the old video because the new video went viral. It got like a million views. Right. Like, come have Seder on the subway. And um, you know, we were inspired by Thanksgiving on the train. I got the homies that do Thanksgiving on the train, and I I rap on the train. So I'm like, I'll do Passover on the train. I've done Hanukkah on the train, I do these things. So even if something bad happened to me right now, due to all the negative energy, I probably wouldn't want it to go out. I probably wouldn't put it up. Just because the quick hit, and this is what people want, is that like, oh, I want to, they don't really want to spread good news. They want more views. Right, right, right. 500,000 views. Like, I have footage from the protest that I got assaulted at that got over half, like just of um the, you know, Khomeini, Khomeini, rest in piss instead of rest in peace. And I, you know, I made a little funny video and I put it up on a trial reel, and I thought, wow, this bad news spreads so quick. So, of course, everything is spreading quick, but like just per example, the day after I was assaulted, Khomeini, uh, that whole thing got buried, and the guy, Jake Lang, who's, you know, supposedly his mother's Jewish, and he's like in this whole right-wing white supremacist kind of world. So they like counter-protested him, and he brought something to um, you know, Gracie Mansion, and then there's these kids that threw a bomb, and now they're gonna go to jail for who knows how many years. Right, right. Um and they made it like they were joyriding.

SPEAKER_01

Did you see that CNN tweet? We covered that. Did you see what CNN wrote about that? It was literally the most like boys' trip to the city or something. Two boys. I think it was two boys that uh that uh were on a lovely, should have been a lovely Sunday, and otherwise would have been a peaceful day, and then through uh are now lives have changed forever since they've been charged with it. I was like, oh my god, like what the hell? Like the the headline should have been two idiots terrorists threw bombs into a uh into a protest of U.S. citizens. It's just wild to see what's happening right now.

SPEAKER_00

If you look at those kids online, you you would be like, oh man, like this is not anywhere close to like the masterminds of 9-11. No, right. You look at them and you're like, this is a prime example of how viral internet videos affect children in Pennsylvania. Right. Right? And then and being influenced, and like this is a prime example. So they put together a homemade bomb and he threw it and it didn't go off. And you're like, and these, and and you know what, they're really lucky because now they're gonna be able to have some of their adult life out, and that's gonna be what, you know, you know, the the the CNN article is gonna be used in court and being like, listen, guys, like if you were there, and you know, and I know the guy that was um I know the guy, you know, Walter Masterson, he's a content creator, and you know, they jumped over this dude. He was like saying New York is for everybody, and they jumped over him, and I'm like, damn, and I'm like, now Walter makes content about this happening. It's kind of dramatic, like these things that we we live in a world, this this political content, and this is why it's so important to be an artist first, is because take away every single protest for me, take every protest away, take every political Jewish thing. I'll still be rapping, I'll still be making film, I'll still be performing in the street, and I might not get popping just as quick, but I will be on TV, I will have my own TV shows, I will make my own films, I will do shows, I will sell tickets. Right. And a lot of other people that are popping up in this space, they need a war to happen to make money. Right. They need a protest to happen to make anyone that was there with a camera that day, they need blood, they need attacks, they need drama to make it. So they're literally like a political world star. Now, obviously, if you know World Star, World Star is the original world star, drunk punch, right? Right, right. That dramatic bar stool, you know, drunk white dude punch. Now you notice all those places are posting about Mamdani, Israel, Iran, Palestine, because they're like, yo, this is great news. And we're gonna get all the views from this, and then we're gonna sandwich it into our other content, right? Right, right. Um, so you know, for me, like I'm just what I just do, I'm I'm doing it like Afro Man did it, you know. You fuck with me, I release a song. You know, I wrote the SpongeBob guy attacked me, I got a song. To the point where SpongeBob I might get sued by Spongebob. Like, and SpongeBob might sue that kid for wearing a jacket for attacking me.

SPEAKER_01

Uh I'll defend you. I'm a litigator, don't worry. You get sued by SpongeBob, you got a brother in arms, dude. I'm here, you know?

unknown

Brother. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly, dude.

SPEAKER_00

I've always wanted to take him on, you know. But no, you're right. Um, you know, and I I I want to say that like it's so sick because, and this is why I stopped going to protest, because the same people that were at this protest were at the protest when I started in 2023, 2020, early 2023.

SPEAKER_01

So it's a culture.

SPEAKER_00

It's a culture, it's a social scene. It's literally like fat, like I was saying, it's fashion. I try to explain it to my buddy, he's a huge fashion photographer. And he goes, you know, like what can you tell me like really what's happening there? Do you mind? And I'm like, listen, bro, it's literally a photo shoot. Like I was at Paris Fashion Week and I start rapping, and everyone's every camera's coming out. It's amazing. It's like a whole thing. And um, they're looking for something amazing to happen on the street, but it's mostly 5'11, 6'2 models, um, women, um, you know, men, like people just wearing this most wild, beautiful stuff outside with street photographers. And politics has its own street photography. Now, mind you, I took photos during like Black Lives Matter and stuff, and I was never like centering myself in it. I was always like, I just realized it was extremely like a beautiful aesthetic for people to like look at it and swipe through and swipe through, and you're like, wow, this is you know, and then you do some other stuff, and and street stuff, it is an exciting protest thing, but the police officers are like, this is dumb. And this is dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb. And what happened is to a point where they don't want to even do an effort to help someone who was assaulted. So, like what happened to me.

SPEAKER_01

Well, they get blasted. They get blasted all over social media. All of a sudden, their face is everywhere, they make a mistake, or they don't they don't do it, they don't do their job.

SPEAKER_00

They don't really do because they don't want to do this job because that's not what they really signed up to do. Right.

unknown

Right.

SPEAKER_00

I get it. Yeah, I get it 100%. Right. It's a waste of time. So it's like no one and and when like I go into the police office and say, hey man, we need to report assault. You literally arrested the guys that were there that assaulted me, but no charges were pressed on them, and you let them go, and then they make you feel like you're an asshole. Like, then you have to say, hey, NYPD suck. And then people that know us that are fans of us are like senators or congressmen, and and they have to make calls to be like, yeah, and and it's similar to what happened to us. It's like something happened to me, and what happened? Ten lawyers were like, I want to help you. Right. You only need one lawyer, like we only need one lawyer to do the job. I don't need 10 people to fix a tire. Same thing, NYPD. We don't, I just got contacted by like six a handful of NYPD officers that contact me, right? To handle one thing. And I'm like, bro, why is everyone keep passing that? Like, it's just it's mad simple. Right. Like, right? Like, if you did the job in the beginning, you won't have to do the job at the center. And then this goes back to um, you know, the Jewish conversation of what the brand is of Jews, um, is that we're thinkers, we're this, we're that. If Jewish people are like, boom, boom, anytime someone comes out, they go bam, clack, and and that was a situation, things would not happen. Agreed. People, our own people that the our own people that go to protests, why don't why let me ask you, why don't you go to protests? Where are you when all this is happening? You're at work, probably.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, yeah. I'm too busy.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, but it's for for you, but for you, it's like go to protests have nothing to do, right? Right, right. Right, 100%. There are specific people that go, they ain't got shit to do. So that's the best representation of us. Right. All the Jews are working, right? Like they're a center of attention. You know why people go to protest? You know, all those cameras? No one's no one's calling those people up and saying, let's take photos, let's shoot. These are people that you watch from afar, but you never get close to. And I have by default become one of those people by attending. So I don't want to attend those things. You see what I'm saying? So, what happened to me was like a proof to putting that I was like, I don't, this is not what I want to do. Does this promote my film? Sadly, maybe maybe people want to see the film now. Maybe, you know, but like my film, Bring Your Family Home, yeah. Let's talk about that.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Because my film got canceled in the film. When my film gets canceled in the film, um, Hollywood Reporter? It got canceled in the film. That's amazing. Because it was showing in the film. It's like a film and then a film. So now Hollywood Reporter, MPR, IMDB, you know, um, Toronto, like uh it kind of speaks about it. We need to get canceled to get press. We need to see a punch for there to be press. Right. You just the days of like, oh, I like your song. Let's write about your song. What that's not gonna get any views.

SPEAKER_01

Right, right. That's sad. It's sad. I just I just had um, I just had uh Rosterroot, DJ Roster Root. I don't know if you know DJ Roster with Tribe, you work with Fife. I just had him on the pod, uh, I think I had him a couple weeks ago, and he was talking to me when he works with new artists now. Like, you know, we used to listen to like Fife and Tribe, and and they would come out on their second and third verse, it'd be storytelling, right? And he's saying now that the audience and the view ship and everything's so different, you have to have on the front end of the song, you have to have your hook. On the front end of your video, you have to have something to grabs. It's just changed, it's just changed the dynamic of art. And do you find that? And are you able to work around that when you're when you're recording or creating?

SPEAKER_00

Uh um sorry for a second. I have to recharge my uh my stuff. It's all good.

SPEAKER_01

But do you why while you're doing that, do you find that you have that as well? Like you have to like constantly be while you're creating music, constantly be aware of the fact that you have to like get your hook in quick. You have to draw the audience in quick, or you'll lose them. Is that something that you keep in mind when you're creating music?

SPEAKER_00

Um, yeah, um right now music is such a transactional piece. Um music is sort of uh about the switch. I didn't want to have the thing dying yet. All good, all good. The the music is like a byproduct of like what I'm going through. So for instance, I wrote Bring the Family Home because we have hostages. I wrote Ceasefire because um you want to ceasefire P's problems are working on it, solutions think I got it. Weapon's down in no hostage, you know. So I make music music distance and sort of for virality in the past two years. I have it's very hard that I'm making a song that has nothing to do with what I'm going through. Um I wrote a song called Protest. I wrote a song called Mayor of New York that was originally like dissing um mom Donnie a little bit. It was dissing everybody. It was like I'm the mayor of New York. Right. You know, I'm fucking, you know, I'm I'm outside, people know me, da da da da. I'm mayor of New York. Right. Um Curtis, Curtis Lee would jump in in the music video. Curtis Lee was like a character, dude. He was like, what is like, yo, Curtis is like, you know, Curtis is like a vigilante, like protector, you know, Curtis was there, like none of this, and that's that's kind of what the vibe is with Curtis, and um not to say Republican, Democrat, etc., but like he's an OG, seven he's you know what I mean? Right, and then all those some of the stuff he said on camera that went viral to promote the song. So now it's like a combination of street interviews and this and that, and being outside and having the randomness of New York touch you. But um, this is all you know, staying in the studio yourself and releasing it and seeing if people are willing to grow with you on a journey. So I'm coming from rapping outside MSG with Fat Joe and the Migos and Gary Vaynerchuk to making Hanukkah songs to hey, will you like to um will you like to um, you know, do will you like to just join me on this journey? And people are like, oh, I like this, I like this. I wrote a song about Hannah Shah woman paratrooper back to you know, Nazis and rescue Jews from Europe, and I was living in British, like I'm blessed to uh make a career off rap and pathos and and um everything I do is just like I don't know, sort of just Jewish themed and fun. And uh pass over every holiday. I stay pretty busy, but you know, I just I just made like a uh a fun song that's coming out called Love Me, Hate Me. That's uh um about basically about the attack, you know, sort of kind of like honestly, the thing happened to Afric African was sort of amazing because African man just been at it forever, and Afro Man was going through what he was going through, and all this stuff happens, dude. People try to sue you, people try to, you know, um discredit you, and there's all this like little dramatic things that happen. Um, but like for the grace of the goddare go out mentality of like there's nothing that's gonna stop me from making stuff. Um if you don't accept me into your film festival, I'll make my own film festival. I don't need to be part of your thing because of my own film my own place. Uh if you don't want to stand at a rap show, we'll do a seated rap show. Um don't, you know, don't want me on. But then when you get the big thing that's publicly, and that's what the Jewish community at least needs, is like we don't need more people working at Jewish nonprofits. We need people that are publicly successful outside the Jewish world that make Jewish people look cool. David Gruppman is a fine example of a very successful guy outside the Jewish world that's like very proud to be Jewish and and loves the uh you know the intermingling of it all, right? Right, right. And um, you know, he like sent me a t-shirt, and then I was like wearing his t-shirt at like protests, and man, he loved it, and other people loved it. And you know, it's kind of like sort of like pitching in from afar. And if if I could like give anyone advice or something like that, it's like do outside Jewish life. Like your son playing lacrosse for Maris, if he's if he's a proud kid, you know, that's great for Jewish kids on campus. That's probably the most important thing, right? On campus.

SPEAKER_01

I agree. I agree, but listen.

SPEAKER_00

It's not going to protest.

SPEAKER_01

I I agree. But listen, you know, I will say that you doing what you did put you out there more, right? And and and and you and the Jewish community now, you're a huge advocate for for us. And um you're a lot, you have a lot of fans, you and you're doing a lot of good. And even those encounters that you feel are negative or not, we're all watching, you know what I mean? We all see that you're on the front lines and putting out this great work and these movies and all that. And we're running out of time. I gotta kind of wrap up here, man. But I've had a lot of fun rapping with you here and just going over and and and and getting to know you a little bit better. I'd love to have you back on as you have your journey and have you have more and more interesting stuff. I'd love to have you back on if you would be if you would come on. It's tough to tie you down. You're all over the place. You're like you were in uh were you in France, you're in you're doing the Sundance, you were doing everything. You're just all over the place right now, man.

SPEAKER_00

I wanna yeah, I want to share. So I was um I started shooting a um a f uh a film called Rejected, which is basically sort of it's about me, but I'm I'm I'm acting in it. And we went to Utah, we went to Park City, we shot there, we shot in uh Cortina, Italy during the Olympics, we shot in Milan during the Olympics, and then we shot in Berlin during Berlinale. And um I mean I don't really like a lot of Jewish films, and and I really kind of wanted to tell my story about being a kid named Rami, which is also a Palestinian name as well, and sort of how that, you know, dramatically just and I'm like, you know what? If I pay for it and I make it, then it'll exist, whether it's good or bad, and then it could become something even better. Um and I I'm sort of like I want to be the example of a guy that does that and instead of like complains, you know. So I didn't really like online protest videos, so I decided to make a film about protest videos. And you know, we just want to get bigger and better as we bec uh as life goes on, you know. Right. Um so sorry that you couldn't get me down, but now I'm here.

SPEAKER_01

No, I appreciate it, man. I appreciate it. Yeah, I when the film comes out, I'd love for you to see it, and I'd love to have you out. That'd be great. That'd be great. I'd love to have you on and talk about it, man. And listen, we're gonna put we're gonna plug all the film stuff in there, and uh uh if you could stay on for a minute after I sign off, I just want to chat with you for two seconds. And uh listen, if you have a last message for anybody, you have a last thought that you want to you know relate to anybody out there or the young Jews or young artists, or whatever you want to say, drop it now.

SPEAKER_00

Sure, sure. You know, I think if you're um young, um, whether you're Jewish or not, to be honest, and you're thinking about doing anything creative, um document your journey um from the beginning to when no one's listening, because eventually people will listen. And you do want to remember what it's like to perform for five people, because then one day you'll perform for 5,000, and then you might perform for five again, you know, at a dinner table or something. And and uh the world is addicted to the journey. I think that's what we're all addicted to. We want to see it, and like you said, people are always gonna be watching and they just have their own opinions. Uh sometimes good, sometimes bad. And like Gary V says, you know, document it. And I think that is uh the biggest gift we have now. Um, I wish we could document all our streetlights when we were in middle school. Right, right, right. And if you want to check out um some film stuff, it's bring the family home.film. You can see the sizzle reel there. Um, you could check out all the music videos, kosher deals on YouTube, K O S H A D I L L Z. And if For any booking and stuff, koshadillsworld.com. You know, check me out. And uh just thanks for having me on.

SPEAKER_01

Rami, it's been a pleasure, my friend. And uh, I look forward to you. Thank you for coming on. Keep staying doing what you're doing, man. You're you're you're you're you're a trailblazer out there. You're doing some great stuff, and we love you. Hold on one second, I'm gonna sign off, and then I'm gonna come chat with you for two seconds. But thank you to all the listeners and viewers. Thank you for watching two taps and friend. We're gonna tag all of uh Kosha Dills, Rami's stuff at the bottom. All he's got so much stuff going on. I mean, you gotta go check out all of his work and go follow him and do all that. He's amazing. But um, and we thank him for coming on. But thank you for all of our listeners and viewers, thank you for watching. Please like, subscribe to the channel. I'm being told I have to tell you that. The more you do that, the more outreach we have, the more we're able to get amazing guys like Kosha Dills on. Uh and our marketing team has us everywhere. We're on Instagram, YouTube, Bioheart Radio, Apple Podcasts. We're literally everywhere. They do a great job. Our recording team does a great job. We have a great family over here. Thank you guys for watching. Thank you for listening. We love you all. See you soon. Goodbye. Cut