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Dye & Golburgh | Countries Divided: Talking America’s Interests, Castro, & El Salvador’s Bukele #72

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In this candid and unfiltered panel discussion, host Daniel Rosenberg is joined by attorneys Michael Dye and Lloyd Golburgh to unpack the growing divisions within conservative circles. They explore U.S. foreign policy toward Israel, the Thomas Massie race, rising antisemitism, and the tension between isolationist principles and strategic alliances. The conversation extends to timely reflections on Cuba — including the decades-old Brothers to the Rescue case and the recent indictment of Raul Castro — as well as parallels in political polarization drawn from El Salvador under Bukele, highlighting how trauma, media narratives, and public loyalty tests shape discourse. With warmth, intellectual honesty, and lived perspective, they navigate complex history, emotional undercurrents, and the challenge of maintaining nuance amid polarization.

⏰ Timestamps ⏰
00:00:00 👋 Intro 
1:10 🏛️ What’s really splitting conservatives over Thomas Massie and Israel?
15:00 ⚖️ Is criticizing Israeli policy automatically antisemitic?
32:00 🌍 Why the intense focus on Israel when other global crises are ignored?
42:00 🗳️ How is antisemitism influencing today’s elections and candidates?
48:00 🕊️ What did the recent mosque shooting and its antisemitic manifesto reveal?
52:00  📜 Was indicting Raul Castro principled justice or a political stunt?

How should we approach cases like Cuba or El Salvador?

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SPEAKER_03

The biggest thing recently is this Thomas Massey race. The Conservative Party is very split right now, right? And it's gotten and what's sad is the split is on Israel and Jews. And that's something that like is a scary thing for Jewish people. As Jews, the first people that get blamed are Jews in anything, right?

SPEAKER_02

But the Massey thing, no, that's part of the current trend, which is to vilify Jews in order to get elected. Right. And that he would like to reduce Israel's dependency on the United States down to the number of zero. And when the reporter asked him, you know, what's your timetable? And he said, I'd like to start that right now.

SPEAKER_03

The guy shows you that he is American first in everything he does. Except for Israel. He motherfucks everyone he can, to their face, world leaders, does whatever he wants. Just picks this little country. There's an interest there for them. There's an interest for us. But I found that the division on him, it just reminds me so of Trump.

SPEAKER_00

Trump's poll numbers were falling in Miami, so he went ahead and had to do something. The United States government went ahead 30 years later and indicted Raul Castro.

SPEAKER_03

Attorney Michael Dye, welcome back. Attorney Lloyd Goldberg for the viewers and listeners.

SPEAKER_00

Welcome to Two Taps and Friends. Grab your favorite drink. Get comfy and let's dive into another episode of Two Taps and Friends.

SPEAKER_03

Welcome back to Two Taps and Friends. I'm the host of the show, Danny Rosenberg. We are here coming at you in our temporary studio as we are in construction and building a bigger and better studio thanks to our production team and our recording team. But this is where we are for the next couple sessions. We love it. Cozy little set, and we're gonna uh we're gonna bring you a couple episodes from here. So today, my panel, I have one of my favorite panels on. We're gonna talk all things current topics right now. Uh I want to welcome back to the show pretty much my co-host, but attorney Michael Dye, welcome back. Hey Danny, how's it going? Attorney Lloyd Boldberg, welcome back. Hey Danny. I just called Boldberg. That's all right. It's Lloyd Goldberg for the viewers and listeners. But it's been a while since uh we've we've gotten together on a panel. A lot of different stuff's happening. I figured we kind of just touched, you know, touch topics, kind of weave in and out. Um the biggest thing recently is this Thomas Massey race. I think we should start there because this guy, he's a popular guy with uh this this the conservative party is very split right now, right? And it's gotten and what's sad is the split is on uh Israel and Jews. And that's something that like is a scary thing for Jewish people, right? And I'm like, you can't you you you don't care. I'm joking now. But like it is when you know, at first you you sense that one party's attacking, and then the other party you think is on your side, but you know you can't really trust them because you look at history, you can't. As as Jews, the first people that get blamed are Jews and anything, right? Space lasers, you name it, you know, we're there.

SPEAKER_00

You guys don't do that?

SPEAKER_03

No, stop. So this Thomas Massey, his thing was again, he's making these arguments that Michael tends to make, right? This, like, we should be isolationalist. And I I genuinely think that Michael, I think you believe that. I do, I do, you I do. I think as irrational as me and Lloyd make you sound, I don't even know, maybe you a lot of viewers think you sound more rational. But I I don't think it's just realistic, right? But I his thing more was he was really focused on Israel. Really focused on Israel. What is your take on that?

SPEAKER_02

No, I I agree, and I agree with you about Michael. I think he believes in isolationism. I don't think he's a racist. Right. Right? Or an anti-Semite. Could be Israel, could be Egypt, could be Tim Buck too. Um but the Massey thing, no, that's part of the current trend, which is to vilify Jews in order to get elected. Right. And you know, Massey decided that that was the you know the card he was gonna hook his trailer to, and that's what he did. Right. And it didn't work for him.

SPEAKER_03

Well, I don't know that I don't know if he's anti-Semite, but it's convenient when you make that argument nowadays, you're gonna get this push and this following, and you know, you you're gonna ride that wave. What do you think of him? I got a lot of thoughts.

SPEAKER_00

Go. All right. First off, uh you you gotta look at where there's a lot of things that disturb me about what happened. Um you gotta look at where Massey's from. He's from the 4th district of Kentucky. When I I did just a quick little look to see what is the Jewish population for the 4th district of Kentucky. You have like 500 Jews in the statistically But there's Jews there. No. Okay, all right. Statistically, it's one of the least Jewish districts in the entire country. Okay, like if you took a percentage, it was negligible. They didn't even put up a percent. Okay. All right, so you've got less.

SPEAKER_03

You should move there. I'm just joking. I'm just playing.

SPEAKER_00

My family's on the other side of the river.

SPEAKER_03

But go ahead.

SPEAKER_00

So, at any rate, um, you know, he doesn't really have to concern himself as much with Jewish issues. Remember, the the house is supposed to be the people's house, the house of the people who are supposed to be closest to their constituents. All right, so he he really doesn't have to concern himself that much. Thomas Massey's big objection, now it goes off into lots of little tangents, but and uh I have the same objection, which is why are we borrowing money from China to give to Israel? Why can't Israel just borrow its own money from China? Okay, well, all right. That that's a huge problem. What is it? What's our deficit now? It just hit another all-time high, and uh we we aren't even making the revenue sufficient to go ahead and pay the interest on our loans. And we're having to monetize the debt. Think Weimar Republic. All right, so you're having to monetize the debt in order to just pay the interest on our loans. And yet we are going ahead and borrowing money from a nation that's not exactly friendly to us, doesn't have our economic best interest in mind, to give to another nation that is perfectly capable of borrowing the money themselves. It's not right.

SPEAKER_02

Well, let me ask you a question. Nothing wrong with that argument. What does that have to do with Massey's motive for the campaign that he ran? I I I don't uh if Massey came out and was talking like that, then he might have had a better chance of getting elected. Uh notwithstanding the whole mAGA movement and Trump's involvement in that. But I still think that he hitched his wagon to the anti-Semitic aspect because everybody knows now that's what wins elections. It winning them for the Democrats in in their primaries.

SPEAKER_00

I haven't heard anything out of his mouth that I would have considered anti-Semitic. Um, you know, again, one of the things that Well, hold on.

SPEAKER_03

Let me let me one second before you go on. When you keep saying, but you speak as if like you understand the intricate reason why they're borrowing money, is if Israel just really needs to borrow third parties. There's got to be some arrangement on why that happens. And you say that Israel doesn't want to develop its own weapons, but there's you could research it. They tried to develop their own F their own planes. United States stopped it and wanted them to buy from them. There's an interest, there's interconnections that we can't understand that you clearly can't, and I can't, because we don't have access to this information.

SPEAKER_02

Benjamin Netanyahu agrees with him. Benjamin Netanyahu on 60 minutes a week and a half ago. Did you see that? And he said exactly he said exactly that why not? He said exactly the same thing. He said that he would like to reduce Israel's dependency on the United States uh down to the number of zero. And when the reporter asked him, you know, what's your timetable? And he said, I'd like to start that right now.

SPEAKER_00

I'd like to see it down to zero immediately.

SPEAKER_02

Well, he agrees with you, though.

SPEAKER_00

Well, that's great. Let's do it. Because here's the thing.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, but there's a reason why they're not doing it. And it's not like to hear him say the words I agree with Benjamin Netanyahu.

SPEAKER_00

I agree with Benjamin Netanyahu. Boom. Let's go.

SPEAKER_03

We're gonna clip that. Mercedes clip that up, and I want to put that everywhere.

SPEAKER_00

Cut all aid to Israel to zero tonight.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, understood.

SPEAKER_00

But listen And every other country. I don't give a fuck about anything.

SPEAKER_03

But when they're telling you that that country wants that to happen, and and our country's not letting it happen, doesn't that lend you to think that there's something that you don't know?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it lends me to think that somebody's lying. Okay, so so of course the Jews are lying.

SPEAKER_03

And again, Massey's whole argument. And why do you think Trump's coming down on Massey and he he pretty put him out of business, right? He literally just put him out of business, right? Why do you think he did that? Because he's so beholden to the Jews in Israel?

SPEAKER_00

Well, it's obvious that there's something going on there with between Trump and Netanyahu.

SPEAKER_03

Right. Because Right, but you think it's it's it's pushed by Israel or the United States?

SPEAKER_00

I think it's pushed by Israel.

SPEAKER_03

Why? All right.

SPEAKER_00

Israel's got a long history. Oh, here we go.

SPEAKER_03

We're going to Shatiya and Sabret, and we're going to Ariel Sharon, and we're going all the way there.

SPEAKER_00

Let's go back. Okay, well, let's let's go back to Ronald Reagan.

SPEAKER_03

No, let's not go back to Red Speaker.

SPEAKER_00

Let's go back. Now, uh I said long history. Let's go back. I can go back to Ronald Reagan.

SPEAKER_03

That's a long history. I don't know how old you're pretty long history.

SPEAKER_00

Let's start. Ronald Reagan.

SPEAKER_02

I'm sorry to interrupt, but I'm going to do it anyway. Is this anti-Semitic? Massey. I had to call my opponent and concede. And it took a while to find Ed Gallarin in Tel Aviv.

SPEAKER_00

No, that's funny. All right, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01

That is pretty funny, actually.

SPEAKER_00

All Massey is trying to point out is who people's loyalty is to. Are we America first or Israel?

SPEAKER_03

Right now the government's acting is. But what I'm arguing to you is it seems to be that being Isra doing being in line with Israel is America first. Right. I don't I don't see it. Everything this man has done, whether you like him or not, Trump, and people hate him. I have guests on here that can't even that don't even want to come on because we they they perceive us as talking nicely about him, okay? I voted for him three times. Because he is. The guy shows you that he is America first in everything he does. Except for Israel. He motherfucks everyone he can, to their face, world leaders, does whatever he wants, just picks this little kind. There's an interest there for them.

SPEAKER_00

There's an interest for us. Let's go, let's go back in time here. Okay, here we go. Bill Clinton. Our episode went sideways. I'll go ahead. I'll I'll advance a little bit. I can't go back to Reagan. All right, so let's go back to Bill Clinton. All right. What about him getting blackmailed by Israel about the tapes on Monica Lewinsky?

SPEAKER_03

Israel did that? Oh my God. Of course. From where? Where do you have? What's your source?

SPEAKER_00

Uh what's the guy? What's that guy? Okay, if you have to start. I don't remember.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, the ex-CIA. It's always convenient that these are ex-CIA agents, right? Prepare for this story. Do me a favor. Do me a favor. Do me a favor. Don't do this to yourself.

SPEAKER_00

That's why he came out. We gave the we offered the Palestinians absolutely everything. Bullshit. He did. No, he didn't. He did. And yes, sir, Arabic. You know what everything is. I accept the deal I get killed when I go back.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, so what? All right. That's not true. That's not true. What does that say?

SPEAKER_00

That's everything.

SPEAKER_03

Because you know what everything is to them? You don't get this because you've never been there. You don't understand. You know what everything is to me.

SPEAKER_00

You're going to say it's kill all the Jews and throw them out of the way.

SPEAKER_03

It's all of Israel. Well, that's what from the river to the sea means. It's on a mild interpretation of it, it's all of Israel. Okay. So let's not get two sides.

SPEAKER_00

Did an offer everything. Bill Clinton got blackmailed. We got Jonathan. So here we go.

SPEAKER_03

To the listeners and viewers, there's a clear bias here that we're there's some trauma going on here if we have to resort back to some childhood thing. Bottom line is, bottom line is, is there is America. We're not getting this gonna stem into the Iran thing and all that. America clearly has an interest to be doing what they're doing. Thomas Massey is rolling and taking advantage of guys that seem to have your trauma. And look, the Jews, the Jews, they blame the Jew. It all goes down to blaming the Jews, though. I've never had any trauma with Jews. Oh, stop it. Stop. I'm not saying I got beat up by a Jew. Okay, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is Actually, I think I did. Anyway, I wasn't and here's what's crazy. Here's what's crazy is I wasn't sure that he could beat him out. I didn't know that he could take who took him down. Who was the guy's name? Galawa's name? Galindo. Galindo? No. But I I didn't know if even Trump had, and that shows you how powerful Trump is right now.

SPEAKER_02

Gallarin. Ed Gallarin. Ed Gallarin is a, you know, uh a decorated war veteran, soldier, you know, longtime public servant, uh, and but backed by Trump. So the thinking is, or at least people are, you know, saying that the reason why he lost was because uh his opponent, uh that Massey's opponent was backed by Trump. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00

Well, Trump's still very powerful. I mean, especially Especially when you're in the fourth district at Kentucky, that's a very MAGA-tight place. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Well, but to me, I wasn't even sure that MAGA wouldn't back this guy at this point. I don't know where MAGA, I mean, I know where I think Trump and MAGA stand, right? But I don't know where everyone in the Conservative Party stands, because now all these misfits and cr and and crevice disgusting people that are commenting on the show and saying all these anticipations. The woke right now. They seem to be the work right. They call it the walk right. They seem to be the conservatives. And well, you gotta think about, and then they start going back to all these old stories about Judas. That's what Massey did.

SPEAKER_02

That that's the that's what I meant. That's the card he hooked his trail to was the the quote unquote woke right now that's emerged.

SPEAKER_03

They're the most dangerous, they're the most dangerous. You got Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, this new guy that segue is good into this this Dan Blazarian. Yeah, Dan Blazarian's. Can you guys put did he put Dan up, Dan? Dan, can you put Dan up? No, but he's still farting the wind. This is the ingrate here. This is the ingrate that is running now. What is he running for? Florida Senate? He's running against Randy Fine.

SPEAKER_00

I mean Well, Randy Fine's a piece of shit, too.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, but this guy's just a disgusting. He's up here too, if you don't have to break your neck. He's a disgusting, just an idiot. The guy, and by the way, if you want to trace, like I'm sorry, I don't want to do this, but like when there's a real hatred of Jews, yeah. I tend to look, no, but I tend to look at roots, yeah, see what part of the world you come from. Yeah, he's Armenian. He's Armenian, okay? And I'm not saying to all Armenian viewers, just to all of you, right? But there tends to be a correlation, right? Whenever there's some kind of connection to that world, they're send me that. Because hay for Jews over there is just uh is a trendy thing. It's never gone away.

SPEAKER_02

So like And they and by the way, guys like Bill Zarian, they don't they don't hide it like the Massies of the world. Right. I wouldn't put Massey on the level of belief. No, no, I I wouldn't necessarily do that either, but still the there they you know the Massies of the world are still hiding behind the it's anti-Zionism, not anti-Semitism bullshit. But guys like Bill Zarian and the young Turks with whom he's associated, you know, Sank Unger and Hassan. They're all part of the same family, um uh he is an associate with them. And they don't hide their anti-Semitism. They're proud of their Jew hate. I mean, they they'll tell you the Jews are the you know the enemy of the of the world, and you know, of course, most of your viewers are gonna agree with that and type the little thing. Right, right. Let me ask you a question. It's not wrong, is it? I mean, it's the truth. But that's who the Dan Blazarians are, and he's running for Congress in Florida.

SPEAKER_03

And what's made what makes me nervous is I don't know if the guy gets traction. You know what I mean? What what do you think of Dan? Hold on, what do you think of Dan Blazarian? He's dumb.

SPEAKER_00

He's a fucking waste of space.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, so go ahead. What are you gonna say?

SPEAKER_00

All right. When did when did and this is this is the problem that I always run into whenever I say something that questions Israeli government, the second you question the Israeli government's policies or actions, it's automatically conflated with anti-Semitism. No, it's not.

SPEAKER_03

It's well he'll tell you the difference in a minute.

SPEAKER_00

No, it's not, and I'll uh maybe by some people, but if I if I go ahead and I say By the people that say what you just said, not us.

SPEAKER_02

Because you said that anytime we make a criticism of Israel or their policies, it's automatically conflated with anti-Semitism. Because you people the you, meaning the people that say that, are the ones that don't and can't distinguish between the two. So wait, so when we try to push back on things that are legitimate criticism of the Israeli government versus what we believe to be anti-Semitism, and there are reasons for that, I've never heard one person who has that attitude say, okay, I see the difference.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, but there's no here's the thing, here's why, I'll tell you why. Because it you it always ties to some Jewish trope, too. It's like, well, the Israeli government blackmailed, they they held this person over. All these, oh well, they have the money or they control this, and it's and you're saying the government, the government, there's no proof, meanwhile, really the proof, and the fact that you rely on the proof of your proof is always an ex CIA agent who said this in an article I read, it doesn't make it so you're a a conscious anti-Semitic person, but it makes it that you tend to believe the narrative a little bit, and it's hard when you're picking the one country that's a Jewish country, right? And there's plenty of other countries are doing way worse things, but this hyper focus on the Israeli government all of a sudden is what makes it just makes you think, okay, well, this bothers you this much. You're willing, and you research almost better than anyone I know, but you're willing to take the argument of somebody that you can't even send, you can't even repeat the source.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, let me let me go ahead and give you a perfect example. All right. All right. 1984. We're back to 84. We're back to 84. We're back to here.

SPEAKER_03

Why don't we just go to 42 and call it a date?

SPEAKER_00

So here you know Ronald Reagan Israel wins the war in Lebanon. Uh the PLO's evacuating from Lebanon.

SPEAKER_03

You're still mad about this. I'm very mad about this. This is a problem. Dude, they killed my dad's friend. Okay, all right. So you got the trauma. There's the trauma.

SPEAKER_00

They killed my dad's friend. Okay, that way. Well, Ronald Reagan goes ahead and says we, the United States, will be responsible for the safety of the Palestinian refugees, the women and the children who are left behind. Okay. All right. And he trusts Israel. All right, who was in the northern part in uh Lebanon. Who was in charge of the Israeli army right then? Arishron. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

So we're Ariel Sharon's dead.

SPEAKER_00

Ariel Sharone orders the Christian militia, the Lebanese, oh, the philangists, or whatever, the Christian militias to surround the villages of Saber and Shatila. The Israeli army launches flares over the village at night so the Lebanese can go in and kill every man, woman, and child. All right. All right. Ariel Sharone refers to it as one of his greatest military successes of all time. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

That's not that's a misquote. I know this quote. Hold on.

SPEAKER_00

Let's say all of this is true. Israel goes ahead. Let's assume it all is. Israel's government goes ahead and finds him responsible, removes him from his cabinet position. They're responsible for wrongdoings, not that. They found him indirectly responsible for the massacre. Indirectly. All right, meaning that he didn't actually pull the grid. Let's assume it's all true. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03

All right, let's go.

SPEAKER_00

Now Israel 10% of the Israeli population showed up to in Tel Aviv to protest what was done. They're like, dude, don't do that shit in our name. I have no problem with the Israeli people. Okay. Because they're like, don't do that shit in our name. Right. All right, that's disgusting. All right. And then Ariel Sharone gets thrown out of his cabinet position, stripped of his portfolio, and uh then later on, what is it, 15 years, comes back and he gets elected prime minister? The guy's a fucking war criminal. He is a terrorist.

SPEAKER_03

The guy's also a war hero in many things as well.

SPEAKER_00

And then on top of that, what was the retaliation for Reagan letting down the Palestinian refugees? That was the burn that was the Beirut bombings, the bombings of the marine barracks in Beirut. That was the retaliation. We trusted Israel to do the right thing. Okay. Ariel Sharon fucked us and stabbed us in the back. Okay. Right. And the people, our people, died. Got it. All right. Fuck everybody. How about the other thing? Wait, he's dead.

SPEAKER_02

But the point of the question was about whether or not it's anti-Semitic to criticize that. That's the No. Absolutely. In other words, let's assume that all of the bullshit that you just said was true. Let's assume it is. Some is true, but not true. There's always context, and especially when it comes to these. But go ahead. The point's taken, but go ahead. The point is that assuming it's all true, it is perfectly legitimate to criticize that. Absolutely. It's not like Errol Sharon.

SPEAKER_00

But every time I say that, not to you, not to you. Every time I'll say that, like when I was in law school, I said with friends like that, you don't need enemies. What every member of the who was every person who was on the USS Liberty said we were flying the American flag. Every survivor said we were flying the American flag. All of them are anti-Semitic Jew haters? No. All right. So it's obvious that somebody's lying. Is it everybody who was on the USS Liberty or the Israeli government?

SPEAKER_02

But the point is the same. Okay. Without being called an anti Semite. Unfortunately, every time I

SPEAKER_00

Do criticize that. I am called an anti-Semite. You don't call me anti-Semite. Right. You don't. Right. Well, that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_02

Which is pretty accurate. Look, there's idiots on every side. So if you're going to be calling what I see. I call them like I see. It's the same argument. That's the problem. In other words, if if you have like you said, if every Jew says, oh my God, you just criticized the uh uh Ariel Sharon for the you know the Lebanese situation, you're an anti-Semite. Well that yeah, of course, that's gonna weaken the argument when you're actually making it about an anti-Semite. I agree with you.

SPEAKER_03

And by the way, by the way, that's the point that I was trying to make. Israeli culture, he's he's one of the most hardline leaders Israel's ever had. Yeah. All right. I understand very good, very, very right. Very right. All right. And if you notice the trend in those countries that after the right, it goes to the left. After the right, but the but what I will tell you the trends in the country are is whenever there's war, terrorist attacks, October 7th, the country always goes more to the right again. Because the right's philosophy is we can't keep trusting this community that's telling us they want peace and then they fucking do crazy shit.

SPEAKER_00

Well, that's why you have those two convicted terrorists in the Knesset.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, right. They're in the let's not even but listen, the whole the point is is you can criticize the Israeli government, but when it's always that is so when you're always criticizing that instead of so many other things, you're hyper-focused, you can't hear any of the other side's arguments, you can't concede that they do anything right, that there's any interest in being aligned with Israel, then you start to venture off into the anticipation.

SPEAKER_02

Or that there's any kind of division of opinion with inside the nation of Israel. In other words, it's like the idea about Israel from the perspective of everybody outside of Israel or even outside of the region is the typical, you know, that's anti-Semitism. They're all the same. All the Jews are the same, all the Israelis are the same. You have a left wing and a right wing in Israel, you have a center, just like here in the United States. So, you know, you have people that are pro-Palestinian, Israelis, Jews in Israel that protest the right wing government of Israel, just like you have left wingers.

SPEAKER_03

How it's that paper that every fucking scumbag wants to quote. Exactly. You have literally just is there to light up the Israeli government and the people, by the way.

SPEAKER_02

That's a nuance that people don't seem to.

SPEAKER_00

I criticize the Israeli government, I criticize the leaders, their politicians. I don't criticize their people. I don't criticize Jews in general.

SPEAKER_03

Right. I don't have an issue with Jews. Well, yeah, but that's why that's why we we still talk to you. No, but the point is back to the point that we've ventured off on to. It is anti-Semitic, by the way.

SPEAKER_02

If you accuse the Israelis of genocide without any facts and without context. 100%. When the definitions don't mean match. And when you simultaneously ignore the genocides that are happening on the African continent.

SPEAKER_00

Well, yeah, I mean that's one of the most ridiculous things. Right, it is the Rwanda fiasco. Nobody gave a shit. Where yeah, nobody gave a shit. And if you it was under Bill Clinton.

SPEAKER_02

Well, it doesn't matter about politics. What matters is that if you are aware of that it's going on and you don't give a shit, but you criticize Israel because you believe Israel is committing genocide, right, and you don't know anything but what you've seen on TikTok, you're an anti-Semite. If you accuse Israel of an occupation, okay, of stealing land, none of which is true, all right, if you want if you actually know the history of the world. Yeah, but you've got trauma against Israel, dude. The point the point is that if you're of the same mindset that you believe open borders for everybody else, come to the United States. We should have open borders, immigrate fuck ice, let's get rid of ice. Everyone should have the right to immigrate for a better life. But when Jews emigrate from Russia or from Europe and go to Palestine, first legally under the Ottoman Empire, who welcomed uh Israeli or Jewish emigration, there was no Israel yet, right? Um, and then for 30 years under British Mandate Palestine, where Jews were emigrating to the land and trying to escape pogroms and genocide in Russia and Europe. No, no, they are met with expulsion and violence. So if you believe that that that you know, from the river to the sea, that the Jews have no right to emigrate to Palestine, right, and live there peacefully, but you believe that immigrants from everywhere else should be able to come to the United States and just live here free to escape a worse life elsewhere, you're an anti-Semitic.

SPEAKER_03

And do you agree? Will you agree with this statement? You have a clear bias against the Israeli government. Let me rephrase that. You mistrust, your instinct is going to be to mistrust anything the Israeli government says. Is that a fair statement? No, it's not. Bullshit. Hold on, wait.

SPEAKER_00

Let me let me know.

SPEAKER_03

Bullshit. You can't just say no, it's not. There's a caveat. You have a trauma. There's a caveat. I'm not saying that it might not be identified.

SPEAKER_00

All governments.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, okay. But it's especially the Israeli government.

SPEAKER_00

No, not especially. All governments. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

All right, well, that's fair. Then I can't really come back. I can't come back at you with that.

SPEAKER_00

Every single government. But here's the problem is just the city council and the homeowners association.

SPEAKER_03

But here's also the problem. You have a very traumatized, sensitive people in the Jewish people because anti-Semitism has been around for a long time and it pops up and pops up. What we're seeing now is not just the anti-Israel shit. Now this is spilled into, and the and the woke right is very clearly just bringing up Jewish tropes now. It's about Jews and Hollywood again. It's about Jews and the money again. It's the same shit we're hearing: the Raw Childs, the this, the Epstein, the pedophiles. This is the Jews. It's the Jews. And how you cover now, how they take cover? Well, it's a Mossad or Israel. I don't want to spend too much more time on this.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, less point. This doesn't help the Israeli position in it. But with the Fourth District of Kentucky being the one of the least Jewish areas in the United States, right? Why did APAC dump over $20 million into it?

SPEAKER_03

They have no interest. There's no we literally broke down your APAC argument a couple apps ago. Okay, so you there you've got Jewish people So AIPEC is just donating to they just give money to Kentucky now? They're just funding Kentucky?

SPEAKER_00

No, they fund everybody, but I'm saying why would why would why would a why do we look up how much Qatar?

SPEAKER_03

How much does Qatar give in Kentucky?

SPEAKER_00

I have no idea how much you know APEC, don't you? You know APEC. That's because they just bought a Congress seat.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, oh, so this is the Jews doing.

SPEAKER_00

No, you don't conflate APEC and the Jews. There are a bunch of Jews. There are a bunch of Jews on it. I'm sure that there's non-Jews too. But remember, dude, how many supporters that the Arabs bought in the last two years? Give me a chance. Dearborn Michigan?

SPEAKER_03

Well, see, Dearborn Michigan. How about MIT, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, you name it?

SPEAKER_00

That's not a congressional seat. Pretty much. It's worse.

SPEAKER_03

It's worse. That's the next leaders of America.

SPEAKER_00

But the issue is the world that Jewish people had no interest in the 4th district of Kentucky. There's no Jewish people there. Why are you blaming the Jewish people for this race?

SPEAKER_03

You know why?

SPEAKER_00

APAC is the people APAC.

SPEAKER_03

You think AIPAC beat him or not Donald Trump that went and shat on him all over anyone that will be? You don't think he can get him money? He can get the other guy money. He can raise money quicker than anybody in the world. He did.

SPEAKER_02

He told APA to give it to him. I have a question. What is wrong with a bunch of Jewish fooling their money to help defeat a candidate they don't like?

SPEAKER_00

Do they have any interest in that district?

SPEAKER_03

I'm It's only bad because we run Hollywood pedophiles.

SPEAKER_00

I don't think you should be able to give to an election that's not in your district.

SPEAKER_03

I hear someone told me the Jews started transgender. That's a Jewish thing, too. Yeah, you did, though.

SPEAKER_00

Oh God.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_03

Speaking of bad Jews, let's talk about this Brad Lander guy. What's the story with him? Tell me about him a little bit.

SPEAKER_02

And I saw him in a mosque giving a speech yesterday.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, talk about just this guy. Here's the problem is like you're just taking this position.

SPEAKER_02

You take a position that you think is profitable, right? This is what's happening. And and uh that guy, uh is his name Rab, Chris Rab. Who is he? Another one in Pennsylvania who ran in a primary um and won his primary, and I think he's gonna be unopposed. Does that make sense? Can you be unopposed? Yeah, I think so. Uh, you know, and he he's uh a you know, fuck ice, free Palestine, you know, oh yeah, democratic national state.

SPEAKER_03

It's amazing they were elections. Everybody gives so much power to the Jews and then say the Jews have the power. Like you give so much credence to every Jewish issue, is a big issue. Everything's a hot topic. Listen, if we had And the Jews just want to be left alone. I promise you. The Jews try to be, they don't they don't solicit people, they don't want more people. They're not like the the Muslims are going out and like bringing in the Mormons, the Scientologists. Everybody's bringing in people, the Jews. You tell them you want to be in, they tell you no. They have to tell you no three times. You know?

SPEAKER_02

And walk into the bad, they don't even look at you.

SPEAKER_03

We don't look at you, right? They barely look at me. I know. Yeah, so what's the story with this?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, we have all the power. That's why we, you know, that's why we're under attack all over the world. We need security in our the synagogues, and we you know, we're being attacked like crazy on the internet, you know, being snuffed out of almost every you know social scene, and yeah, but we have all the power.

SPEAKER_01

So so what's the story with this guy?

SPEAKER_02

Brad Lander's in a mosque. You know, and and with all due respect to the Muslims that were in that mosque, I'm sure they are probably thinking the same thing I am, which is what a fucking tool. This Nebi Jew, for lack of a better word, is giving uh uh the most groveling, pathetic speech I've ever heard out of the mouth of a Jewish man, basically reciting every Jewish trope, every Hamas point, wow, trying to you know get the the very you know conservative Muslims that are in that mosque listening to this trying to get their votes. And it's it's a it's amazing. I've never seen anything this this this disgusted pathetic.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, listen, it's trendy now. This was scary.

SPEAKER_02

Well, this is the point, right? In other words, that's the point, isn't it? That it's trendy, that's what gets you elections. How do I get elected? Well, I'll I'll I'll vilify Jews, and right away, you know, the votes will come, and that's what they're doing. Even you know, these Jewish candidates are doing it.

SPEAKER_03

I've never felt more I never felt, just personally speaking, more isolated in my own country than I do right now. Well, look at that. What does that tell you? No, what does that tell you? Me and you and you are on the front lines of of of the Constitution. We're in there in the in the fucking trenches fighting for our government. Nobody stands up. We're literally the John Adams were trial lawyers. All these guys, Abe Lincoln, these guys were trial lawyers, right?

SPEAKER_00

Maybe you're a wrestler too.

SPEAKER_03

Well, I'm in there, you're in there. I've never there couldn't be, I don't, I don't, I don't think I can love my country more than I love my country. But what does that tell you when I feel fucking so isolated right now from both sides? Well, you should hang out with me more. Well, you fucking at least I know what I'm getting with you. I know where you stand, I know your loyalty, I know your friendship and brotherhood. I know you're gonna say what you're gonna say and you have your traumas. But when a people come up to me and randomly, even these young kids, these young kids now, they're like, I think so. We were talking about like Drake came up and someone's like, you know, his mom, but it doesn't even matter, right? But he's talking about a rapper. I don't know why I was there. And they're like, his mom was Jewish. And I think the story was like, because he dr, you know, Drake built himself up, but they're like, his mom was Jewish, he had money. Immediately the guy says that. I'm like, what kind of shit?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah, he who says that?

SPEAKER_03

Well, even if it's true, from a well-ted. But it doesn't matter. The point is, is like that's where it goes with the young generation now. They're bringing up these tropes, and it's sad to see. It's sad to see.

SPEAKER_01

Remember, I'm glad you think it's funny. I had a friend a long time. What were you gonna say? I was Jewish, he had money. Yeah. I had a long time friend.

SPEAKER_00

I really haven't met a poor Jew ever.

SPEAKER_01

Really? Seriously. I'll introduce you to a couple. Yeah, I'll introduce you to a couple. Ever heard of the ghetto?

SPEAKER_03

You ever heard of the ghetto?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, well, back in uh while we're going to Israel.

SPEAKER_03

We're going to Israel. Lloyd and I will be there in three weeks.

SPEAKER_00

Actually, you know what, dude? I heard that you're allowed to buy cot there.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, Jesus. So you're gonna come?

SPEAKER_00

I might continue. All right, good. I'll drop you off.

SPEAKER_03

I'll show I'll drop you off a couple ghettos in Israel. You tell them I never met a poor Jew.

SPEAKER_00

Put me where the African migrants are because they're allowed to buy cot and they can do extra.

SPEAKER_03

Jesus Christ. I gotta cut. All right, we can take Dan Blazerian down, Dan. Oh, he's already down. Never mind. Okay. Um, all right, let's talk about this Muslim attack this next 10 minutes. What's been going on? Tell me what happened here at this mosque. Okay, so the Muslim attack. Not the Muslim attack. The Muslims were attacked.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. So you have these two kids, these these uh same thing. What seemed to be well-to-do uh uh high school kids, you know. Just white boys? Were they Jews? Non-Jews kids? A couple of white boys who had uh apparently were in a trans uh relationship. This is Is that confirmed? Uh no. Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Well, one of them looked a little suspicious.

SPEAKER_02

It's not confirmed. These are this is you know, this is the rumor mill. Okay. Uh that they were a trans couple, but they did write they did write a manifesto and they were ready to die. Um it's interesting that they're take? This was like the most taking over take? Was that their manifesto? Because they went into a mosque and opened fire mosque. Right. But their manifesto was just riddled with Jew hate. It was really interesting.

SPEAKER_00

That is messed up. What? They just missed it.

SPEAKER_02

We ready to go in the next door synagogue? How nuts we are in our world now where there's all this, you know, you want to talk about the horseshoe effect, about the conflation of the of the anti-Semitism and the and the woke right and the woke left. These kids, you know, had a real problem with Jews, you know, same thing, running the world, controlling everything, responsible for every problem that everybody has, you know, personally and in the world. And instead of shooting up a synagogue, they went in and shot up a mosque.

SPEAKER_00

Maybe they're trying to.

SPEAKER_02

So were they have was there any anti-Muslim or Islamary? What was what was the commentary? They hated everybody. Yeah, they hated, they hated everybody, but it was how many people died focused on the Jews. Three people were killed. Two terrible two parishioners, um, uh a man, a father of eight was killed, an older man. And this is where it gets more interesting. The a security guard uh who is being hailed as a hero for saving lives. Uh, he took on the shooters and took fire and continued to, you know, help get people to safety. And uh uh what's interesting about his background is he's a complete jihadi. He, you know, is a right-wing extremist Muslim who praised the slaughter of innocent people in Israel on October 7th.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, yeah. I know, but it's like so ironic. It's like the universe is like you're pushing I don't know if it's I can't confirm it, but if you're saying it's true and he's pushing that, right? Then to be the to be the the subject of the of a same kind of attack.

SPEAKER_02

I mean it's all you know, and then and then you know the the fallout is always the same, right? It is an outpouring of sympathy and empathy, and you know, people rededicating themselves to fighting Islamophobia and how sad it is for all of them, and you know, you hear any of them. When Dami put a tweet out, is that what he did? Right. And that's you know, of course. But when you know the the Jews are attacked and harassed on a daily basis where they're killed or beaten uh or firebombed, it's always, well, they deserved it. You know, they must have done something to deserve it. There's no outpouring of empathy or sympathy or the community rallying around. Um so of course Mandani Mandani was silent just just you know a week before, a bunch of the pro-Palestinian crowd careened through a Jewish neighborhood and assaulted children. It's on video, you can see it. I don't know if people on the Democratic side or on the left side are getting it from their media, but it's all over, you know, on the conservative side. You see the videos, they're horrible. He hasn't said a word. Why don't you guys, if they come through your neighborhood, but here, this is I was just about to make fun of you for saying this.

SPEAKER_03

Feel careful. So it's up to the so the Jews should fight back. Fuck yes. But if any other group gets attacked, like, oh, it's terrible.

SPEAKER_00

If you get attacked, fight back. I don't get it. Yeah, but Jews do fight back.

SPEAKER_03

You know where they're fighting back? There's a goddamn country called Israel.

SPEAKER_00

I thought you were gonna be like, and you can't stand that you can't fly it. Right, right, give me a fucking break.

SPEAKER_02

You know, we we saw what happened the last time the world said the Jews should fight back. Right. They didn't. Yeah, but not that much.

SPEAKER_03

Fight back, but not like that. Yeah, right, right. Not here. Yeah, yeah. Do this, like that. Yeah, and don't pretend to me, by the way.

SPEAKER_02

When you do fight back, make sure you feed them, make sure that you send them off to safe zones, make sure that you know there's internet.

SPEAKER_03

Even October 7th, there were American hostages. There were American hostages. Where were all of our fucking red, white, and blue? Right, that's what I'm talking about. You take an American, we're coming after you.

SPEAKER_02

Nobody gave a shit because they were Jews. Right. On October before they even had a chance to fight back. On October 8th, the world was going, hold on now. Back off. Don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_03

Shatiya, 1986, Ariel Sharon, that's what happens. You know why?

SPEAKER_02

You know why the Jews don't fight back?

SPEAKER_03

What's that? Well, they do.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I would love to fight back. Because we're not because we're not an aggressive, violent race. That's why. Okay. Because the Torah, which is the rules by which we live.

SPEAKER_03

Actually, the rules by which you live too.

SPEAKER_02

We all have the same God, including the Muslims. Allah Allah is just an Arabic word for you know God interpretation of Hashem. God. Okay. Um I don't even know where I was going with this, but you're saying they're not a violent face. The rules by which we live, the Torah, we are a peaceful people. Okay. You know, the whole idea of the Jews being the chosen people, that has been, of course, bastardized from what it really means, which is that we are supposed to bring light to the world. That's what the chosen people means. We don't we're not aggressive. This is why people I laugh when people talk about, you know, the evil Jews, you know, take the Israel uh uh out of the out of the out of the conversation because of the the environment within which they live and are surrounded. Where else in the world are Jews aggressive?

SPEAKER_01

Where else?

SPEAKER_03

Let me think. Yeah, they don't fight back, but they commit genocide, right? Well, here's tougher.

SPEAKER_02

That's why they don't fight back. You guys stop short of Jesus. All right.

SPEAKER_03

So you mean you mean what our guy? Yeah, you guys. You mean our guy, Jesus? You mean our guy who's probably my fucking uncle? Yeah, you guys. Probably my uncle. I think we're if came back today, I'd be the only one that can speak to the motherfucker because I speak Hebrew and he speaks Aramaic.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my god. If he does, if he does come back, I think it would be better to appeal to him on a higher.

SPEAKER_03

If he came back, Jesus would walk up to me in Hebrew and be like, what is going on? I'd be like, hey, dude, he's like, why are there crosses everywhere? Are they making fun of me? I'm like, no, no, they love you. They love you. Where's what your home base is in in Italy? The people, the ones that killed you and crucified you, they franchised you. They franchised you, and then they blamed, then they blamed your people. That's true. But don't worry, they love you.

SPEAKER_00

That story falls apart when the Jews lost a franchise opportunity to the Italians. It does not make any sense.

SPEAKER_03

When's the last time the Jews lost a franchise opportunity? Right. At all, Teddy. Your story doesn't jive, dude.

SPEAKER_02

By the way, I think you know what? I never actually thought of that. But if Jesus came back today, right, he he would actually say, Where the fuck is Paul? What the hell did you do to Judaism? Right, right, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Who are these people? Yeah. Never be like, no, they love you. You're their guy. Yeah. You know?

SPEAKER_00

No, he'd show up in Salt Lake City.

SPEAKER_03

I'd have to be, I would have to be, I would have to be his interpreter. You know? I was like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I think if he shows up, he's really God, and then he doesn't need an interpreter.

SPEAKER_03

I'm down with that. I like Jesus. I'm down with Jesus. I'm down with a lot of Jesus. I don't think I've never seen a teaching of Jesus that I don't agree with, to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_00

But he didn't teach you guys to turn the other cheek. All right, because you stopped.

SPEAKER_03

We were his guys. Matt Maccabees. You're getting your you're getting your Jewish tropes confused.

SPEAKER_00

No, no, no, no. Is it Space Lasers?

SPEAKER_03

It's the Space Lasers book, you know?

SPEAKER_00

No, I'm trying to think of the Malachi. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

I'll ask on the conspiracy.

SPEAKER_00

Is that the last book of the Old Testament?

SPEAKER_03

No. I don't know. But I'll ask on the conspiracy theory.

SPEAKER_00

So after after I think it is Malachi. After the book of Malachi, you guys kind of stopped. So Jesus came along and said, turn the other cheek. You guys didn't get that far. So you're still.

SPEAKER_03

You're telling us, but you're telling us we shouldn't be, we shouldn't turn the other cheek anymore. You just said we should be fighting everybody.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, they Jesus told you. I mean, your thing says an eye for an eye. Go for it.

SPEAKER_03

Oh God. For the last couple minutes, what the hell's happening with Raul Castro? Oh, yeah. You put a post up there. I love your posts are either going to be about chicks or they're going to be something interesting politically that you're going to really offend everybody on. So here let's what are they doing with Raul Castro?

SPEAKER_00

Let's start the offense. Back in nineteen ninety six, um, I think it was Hermanos Al Rascate.

SPEAKER_03

Well, your Spanish is fantastic. Thank God Instagram does Instagram does the translations of us now. It does awesome. Your Spanish is amazing there. I would love to see how they translate, how the Spanish translation is just translated what you just said.

SPEAKER_00

Oh god. But go ahead. The brothers, the brothers to the rescue who like to say that they were flying over the water between the Keys and Cuba and looking for Cuban rafters had repeatedly gone on my and flown into Cuban airspace and dumping leaflets over Havana, urging the citizens to revolt and have a revolution.

SPEAKER_03

So these are Cuban Americans.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, the Cuban government complained to the United States government on several occasions and warned that they were going to shoot their ass down if they kept doing it. So they went ahead, fucked around, found out, went back down there after they were warned. One of them even lost their pilot's license over it. And but he appealed, so he was allowed to keep his pilot's license during the government.

SPEAKER_03

Aren't you America first? So yes. Are you talking shit about the American government?

SPEAKER_00

I'm not talking about supporting the Cuban government right now? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Go ahead. You fly into another, you stay in America, you're fine. You trust me, I know this. You go into another country and fuck around. The Constitution doesn't apply to you. Got it. Okay, so finish your story. So they go ahead, they fly down, they violate Cuban airspace, they get they're dumping him uh leaflets over Cuba, they've they're flying back out of Cuban airspace when they get shot down. Fidel Castro said that he ordered the plane to get shot down. Somebody sent a tape to the Miami Herald or Nuevo Herald back then, uh that allegedly has Raul Castro's voice on it saying that no, he was the one that ordered the plane shot down.

SPEAKER_03

What's Raul Castro's role right now in the government? He he nothing. He's out, right?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. He's 94. He can barely speak.

SPEAKER_03

He's does he have any military position or any political position in Cuba?

SPEAKER_00

No.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

So uh based on this anonymous tape where allegedly Raul Castro said he allegedly Raul Castro said it, he ordered the shoot down of the plane. Uh the United States government went ahead 30 years later and indicted Raul Castro for uh shooting.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, so this happened 30 years ago? Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00

All right. And it's a gigantic waste of time because what are we gonna do? Go down there like Venezuela, pull him out of his nursing home. All right. The first off, maybe he's not competent to stay on trial. How do you know that? Because he can't speak. How do you know that? What's the what is the Cubans say he can't speak?

SPEAKER_02

What's the public uh uh explanation for all of this?

SPEAKER_00

Uh well I I think that I don't know what the explanation for all it is. I think it's Trump's poll numbers were falling in Miami, so he went ahead and had to do something to show Are his poll numbers falling in Miami?

SPEAKER_01

I think so. Is that the Jews' fault?

SPEAKER_00

So of course.

SPEAKER_01

Are we done taping? No, we're good. So I wanted a I wanted to ask you. Go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02

Do you know what an eye for an eye really means? Yeah, it means if you hit me, I'm gonna hit you back. No. It's equal. No. Okay. It means that if you take my eye, I can only take yours. Okay. It is a uh again, it is a uh it's in the Torah, and it means that your retaliation should be proportional.

SPEAKER_00

Uh you could have to go there.

SPEAKER_03

You had to go there. Yeah, that's what you're doing.

SPEAKER_02

That's all right. I'm happy to discuss proportionality. Right. If you really want to break it up.

SPEAKER_03

I'm happy. Don't hey. All right, we'll do this in another episode.

SPEAKER_02

But that's what it means. It doesn't mean that, you know, an eye for an eye, meaning you attack me, so I'm going to attack you. It means no. It means that you, if you take my eye, I can only take yours.

SPEAKER_03

Taking some eyes. All right. To be continued.

SPEAKER_00

So Raul Castro waste of time, not waste of time, uh political stunt to raise poll numbers.

SPEAKER_03

To raise poll numbers. You think they go get go get him?

SPEAKER_00

I I hope not. I hope we don't waste our time on that shit.

SPEAKER_02

Or is it an opportunity just to get into Cuba?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I mean, I think that the eyes are there. But again, you think that look, anything that that he's been doing, there's got to be some interest for the United States. And people that hate him can't see it. And people it's funny because we we we did a clip on Bukele, and um that clip has gone pretty viral, right? Where we talked about Bukele for a second, right? And uh, I have a lot of comments coming from all kinds of people in Salvador and here and there. But I found that the division on him, it just reminds me so much of Trump. Like last night I was sitting there with my my mother-in-law and my and my stepfather-in-law, they're from Salvador, they're here for all the graduation stuff and all the stuff we just had. And uh she can't my mother-in-law can't hear shit about Book. She hates him. Hates him. When my stepfather-in-law loves him, right? Loves him because he owns like coffee farms. He he was under literally the gangs had him hostage down there. He was telling me a crazy story. He was telling me like there was multiple gangs. They would come and he had a coffee, like a coffee farm, a coffee mill, and they would come and say, Listen, we want $10,000 or we'll kill whoever's working. And if if you don't give it to us when the boss comes, we'll kill him too. And they'd keep doing it, so they would pay and had to keep paying for protection. Yeah, and then one day another gang came in and killed one of his managers, just shot him. And they're like, Well, well, because you got to give us money too. So they were doing the money and the money, and he was a hostage for like six, seven years. Bukele comes in, that shit's done. It's over. These people are walking the streets there. So, like, is it perfect? No, right?

SPEAKER_02

What did he say yesterday? Like, uh, all right, now we've cleaned up country and now we're gonna get back to law and order.

SPEAKER_03

Well, look, he his thing was his big quote that he's been putting out is you know, everybody's come everybody wants to hear about the human rights of these people that are in Sikut and all these places, the human rights of these killers. But and look, we're defense attorneys, like we're the ones that defend these. And he's like, What about the human rights of those people that were just getting slaughtered? Of the kid that like would go try to earn money and get robbed on the way back from gangs. Where are those human rights? And there's a point to that. You know, there's but like my problem with the the Trump division and the Bukele, which is similar, you get these people are blinded. People that hate Trump, they have it's like almost like a demon. And the people that love him, it's almost like a demon. If you've lost the ability, is what I said. Yeah, if you've lost the ability to say yes, for example, let's use Bukele. Yes, what he's done with safety is incredible. Uh it's probably there's probably a lot of mistakes that I don't agree with to do it. We gotta fix that. Yeah, I don't agree with what he's doing with this. Yeah, and my stepfather in law said that he goes, Yeah, there's some and some, like there's some good with him and there's some bad. He's not so crazy. If you lost the ability to do that, it's very hard for me to take you seriously. And I think our countries and the way that yeah, and the way the algorithms work and the way the social media works, I think it's so hard to do that right now, right? And that's the problem.

SPEAKER_02

Well, it's the the argument is the same. If you voted for Trump, I hate you. Not why did you vote for Trump? And I understand the nuance in your perspective. Right. No, no. It's you voted for Trump, I hate you. Right. If you if you know if that's just complete ignorance to me, right?

SPEAKER_03

You could support a decision to do something internationally, a military decision, and not support stupid ass tweets he puts out that are offensive and useless, right?

SPEAKER_02

How many times have we had conversations criticizing him? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03

You have to have the ability to do that. Really to fucking do that? And you have to have the ability to say that the Israeli government, for example, did something right. If you don't, I'm going to be on you constantly about it over and over.

SPEAKER_00

I've never said they never did anything right.

SPEAKER_03

Well, that's great. It's good to hear.

SPEAKER_02

But I think we gotta stop talking about it. I told you in the text messages because every time he brings up something, I gotta go study it so that I can come back and go, you were wrong, and here's why.

SPEAKER_03

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