Hello and welcome to Hear Me Out, the official podcast of the Masonic Children's Clinic for Communication Disorders. This is the place where we dive into all things related to communication disorders and how we can best support the kids and families affected by them. We will be talking with speech language pathologists, clinic staff, families and donors to share stories, insights, and the impact of providing free speech, language and hearing services to children across our community. I'm Niki Lampi speech language pathologist and director of the clinic, And I'm Tamara Pogin, also a speech language pathologist with a focus on working with autistic children and their families. And we are your hosts. We're so glad you're here. Today we welcome Jason Reed to the podcast. Jason is a commercial banker and the market president for Old National Bank here in Duluth. He stays active in the community having been involved with various boards such as the Duluth Metropolitan Interstate Council, Duluth Scottish Heritage Association, Fuse Duluth, kitchi Gami Club and he was a 2022 graduate of Leadership Duluth through the Duluth Chamber of Commerce. Welcome, Jason. You've been busy. Hello, Jason. Hello. Yeah, I, I try to stay busy. And you were saying that all of this activity you have even more personally, on the docket now, right? Yeah. Before we jumped on, I know my wife and I welcomed our second daughter in February. Little Charlottes, so, uh, congratulations. Yeah, we, we are sleeping and, uh, everybody's doing well and is healthy, but you, you know how it goes. It's what day is it today? And you have to kind of take a minute. It all runs together. Well, thanks for giving us some of your time today. we were just reflecting on all the things that you've done for our clinic personally, how did you get involved in our clinic Yeah, I, it's one of those things where I grew up in Duluth. I'm born and raised here. I, I remember back when it was the Scottish Right Language Disorders Clinic. I think you were Cross Lake Avenue. Um, back in the day, I guess, but always known it was here kind of a thing. But it was always one of those drive by. I wonder what these guys actually do. So, through actually the, the Duluth Scottish Heritage Association, we, we started up a new event a few years ago. It was a, a like a golf scramble, which are great ways for, uh, nonprofits to raise money. They're great fundraisers. And we always, uh, we had through that nonprofit as well as some other personal involvement I have, like in the Masonic community, was always aware of the clinic and, and we, we wanted to try to split the proceeds with another nonprofit. And when we got connected to the clinic, we wanted to really find somebody who's truly local. And it's no offense to the. The bigger nonprofits out there that are nationwide, that have various locations. But the clinic I found was a lot more local than I, I had thought. And once I started learning about it, it was just kind of, you know, I kind of got addicted after that. Like, wow, what else do you do? And we have how high wide of a reach, and this is the only one in this, you know? So once I learned more about it just became very, very interesting to me. Yeah, it seems like a, a simple building, you know, and it doesn't look very big from the outside, but it is quite big on the inside. And like you said, our reach goes all the way up towards Canada and out through Wisconsin into Michigan and, down towards the cities and, families from all over find their way to us and, our community outreach and, and support programs that we offer to families, it's, yeah, a lot is done in this, in this small little area. Yeah. So it was really fun to do the Gulf Scramble. Can you talk a little bit about, what was offered and how you got one community connected to another community? I really enjoyed that when we were there. Like we had clinic families there, but we also had, you know, different donors. Can you talk more about that? Yeah. I, uh, when I got together with Marcus Mueller, we started to brainstorm. I asked him, you know, what, what do you think would be the best benefit for the, the clinic? It'd be nice to do this scramble where we have volunteers from both, um, both groups. And that's when I started learning more about, you know, it's, it's very, uh. It's kind of like what I just described. Some people know that the clinic is here, but maybe the exposure and the awareness isn't maybe where it, it should be. So we were thinking of ways to, how can we get this out to the broader community? So, the, the scramble brought in, there's always businesses that are looking to get out on a Monday. You know, that's when, when these things usually happen. But it's also, um. What I like to do in my day job and even just in, it's fun to just connect people with one another who, you know, never you, you know, you have like one group of people, maybe like friends or another group that are your professional network and connecting them is always fun, especially if they have similarities or. Uh, similar, um, you know, things they're involved with or whatnot. So that's kind of what we did. We just, we tried it one year and then we, we haven't done it for a little while now, but, um, that's where it, it became kind of both personal and, you know, for me it was just fun to, once I learned more about the clinic, then it was just fun to connect people and we found people in similar circles who are either. You know, they were donors of Masonic Charities or the, and I never knew that before. And they're involved in the Masonic community or what have you. Or there's businesses, or even classmates of mine whose children actually have come to the clinic. And until you ha establish like a, until I did, I should say, establish like a personal connection or, started to get more involved, never would've happened. So it was just kind of. Let's see how this goes and how we can, bring both people from our orgs together and, and just expose this to the community a little bit more in different circles. So, well, I love all of your community involvement and how you said it's nice connecting different circles together because it is so powerful to put like a personal face on what is a certain family like that is. Receiving services at the clinic, how is it helping their child? How is it helping their whole family and putting that real face on it. And I think that that event really kind of did some of that. Yeah. Yeah. So thank you very much. And I remember you seemed really moved the more you learned about the clinic and became involved and so much so that you're now part of our development committee where you help a little bit with the open house and the annual dinners. And talk a little bit about that and why that's important to you. To continue that work. Yeah. One thing that really struck a nerve is, when I was younger, I, I had difficulties with reading comprehension and finding out, the full, I guess, scope of what the clinic does, that that's a form of communication. 'cause I could never really retain what I was reading and communicate it back to somebody. So it kind of tapped something in my childhood that I, I kind of long forgot about. Um, you know, but that's, that's one thing. And then just continuing to learn about the clinic, like the, that it's, the service is free of charge to families. Like where do you find that? And just especially with the state of healthcare in our country right now, it's kind of all over the place. And so just the more I learned and dove in, I thought, yeah, this is something that. We really need to make sure it stays successful in our community. So that's when, talking with Marcus, I jumped on the development committee and I, as a side kind of a thing that gets me away from my day job. I, I've always kind of fallen into some sort of event planning and I, okay. And I'm a person, like if I'm gonna commit to something, I've gotta see it through. So then I started asking Mark, well Marcus, the questions like, well, what's the target audience for the dinner? Do you guys wanna change this? Or has it been the same old thing for you? Like, what is, so then here we go, the snowball started. But um, but it was also. You know, I, I learned a lot along the way and like, the open house is critical. I thought, you know, that's, that's probably a good idea where I didn't realize there, there was an open house every year, especially since this building was built. And I saw, a lot of, familiar faces. But then I, I think I've done it about three times now, where there's been other new faces that have come in. and then the annual dinner, same thing, in moving locations a couple years ago, and there was a real. a really strong effort to reach out to other community members that were, community leaders that had maybe not had any involvement or they'd never been to the dinner. So that's what's fun for me, is something I'm involved with. It's always nice to try. How can I help? Maybe. Spice this up a bit or is there a direction that you guys have just needed more help from people who are willing to serve on committees like this? So, I'm, I'm certainly a small part of the equation, but it's fun to be a part of. But that's kind of been my experience the last few years. It's always fun to see things evolve and grow at the end of the day. So. Well, and we definitely appreciate your guidance during this evolution of the clinic And I think the clinic is more well known now than it was a few years ago, thanks to your help and everyone else's help on our committee and just sharing that message. And it's so important to share this so that you know other donors, other people who might be possible donors have the opportunity to become part of this because it is such a special organization. And also more importantly, to let other families in our area know this is available. You know, if, if you have a child with speech and language or hearing needs, you know, come here, it's easy. You just call to make an appointment. You can get right in. There's no insurance. it's easy. And we have a lot of resources. So I love that we're finding more and more people in our community that we can serve. Mm-hmm. And I. I love the idea that the open house has for more than one reason in so many people, they know it's a great cause, or they are very open to the idea of donating to something that's a nonprofit, but actually getting them in here and seeing the little rooms with the fun stuff in it and the toys and how we, our audiology booth and how it's child friendly and We created, you're helping create ambassadors. Yes. And I think that that was one of your things too, as you you say, connecting those circles of your other parts of professional life and, your professional life, your personal life and your community involvement life. You're inviting people to become an ambassador for the clinic. And I think it's shown all, you know, 'cause that's part of the growth that we've had and the awareness too. So thanks. Love that. Creating. I like that, how you put that. Yeah. Creating ambassadors. Creating ambassadors. Yeah. It might have been a Marcus thing. I, I, we have to check with you. Oh, that does sound very Marcus ish, just so you know. But it really, it is, I think, you know, when I first started here, I was so surprised that we had so many generous people in our community who felt as passionate about, helping these children and families as, as I did. And the more I. Learn about our community and connect with people. it's so moving that they wanna be a part of it and they wanna give, and they, they are part of these stories. You know, you have a child that comes in who maybe has never spoken a word, and works with a therapist for a few sessions and all of a sudden they. Something connects, and they say their first word or they play with their parent, or they, they're following a direction or they're using their a, a c device to communicate and it's, it's just amazing to see the world open up to these kids. Well, and that's one thing, Nikki, I think you touched on it, that's the clinic does extremely well that could offer a masterclass in this is the stories from, because you all tell it in, in such a way that it, it's so easy to see how, like you said, a child coming in who, who could never say a word. And now a year later or however long you can see the progress and through the, the, the annual dinners. I think something that's really key with that is there's always a family that shares their story. And, and it's, it's directly from them and it's, it's really raw and gets emotional, but watching if there's a video package or something or just of the, the children's progress, that's something that, so I'm, I'm a visual person by in how I learn and just by my nature. But seeing it and hearing it, Like I said, you could offer a masterclass in this, just how, how the story is told. But just bringing it full circle of, where children start to where they end up. And as more and more people see that, and like I said, I didn't know there some high school classmates of mine who have children, they go here. Or other friends of my sister, whoever they, their kids, go here. You never would've found that out. And it just, you know, we're all dealing with everything in our daily lives that a lot of people don't know about and, and whatnot. But, you see that and, and that's where the true connection is made. Like, personally, once you really see what some of these children are going through and the, just that progress, I think the progress piece of it is huge. Just seeing start too. Where they are now after a certain point. It's so fun. Mm-hmm. It's so fun to see their progress and, and hear their stories. And at the dinner there's always tears because you just are so moved by what these families have gone through on their journey. Mm-hmm. And you, you know, I. Us working in it every day. Sometimes we have to take a step back and remember when you are, you know, and I'm a parent. And when you are first learning that there might be something your child needs help with, everything else stops. Mm-hmm. Everything stops and that's all you are focused on. And you don't even know sometimes how your world is gonna move on from that point. And it's scary and it's hard. And you know, I just so appreciate everyone that comes to us to let us help them through that part of their journey because it is scary and it's, it's, we're very grateful. That we can be on the journey with them. Mm-hmm. And especially since we don't bill insurance, we can be really family forward. Sure. And I really, appreciate that we can have different family programs. We have pac, which is Parents and Children Communicating, which is for like late talkers or kids that aren't not quite speaking yet, and we're giving strategies to them. And we have the autism parent support group, because. People need to find their people and on the same journey and people who get it. And so that's one of the missions of our podcast too, is we wanna share, parent stories so that other people can hear and learn from them. But then also other things, those like, we wanna do parents and we wanna do professionals and we wanna do donors because they all are creating. What the clinic is. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So that's really cool that you've picked up on that from going to the dinner for several years. Mm-hmm. And we just wanna create it in the podcast too. Yeah. Yeah. We are definitely here because of the donors. We would not be here without all of you that have helped support over the last 30 years. I mean, it's incredible. It allows these families to be helped and like Tamara said, just the allowing us to treat the family as a whole. Yeah. Meaning, helping grandparents, helping cousins, siblings, whoever is involved in this child's life. Come in and learn and, and get resources so that you can really do everything you can for your child. Mm-hmm. so Jason, you're involved in the Duluth Chamber of Commerce, and so you're just. All out and about, all over society. Yeah, that sounds funny. All over the community. Well, our chamber, the Chamber of Commerce, um, helped us with our opening ceremonies for our sensory room. Yes. Uh, last, when was that? Two years ago. Oh my, do you remember that? I, last year, it was last year. It was last, last year. Last year where we had that, the big ribbon cutting ceremony. That was cool. Yeah. I think the mayor was here and Yeah. That was a big deal. Mm-hmm. That was awesome. And that was from the chamber? Yeah. They kinda helped. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And that was through a, a grant from the Miller Dwan Foundation that gave us the Oh, nice. Yeah. And then, yeah, the chamber came in and recognized the, the work that they did and that we do here and celebrated with us. It was nice. Yeah. Yeah. So when you are working with so many different agencies in the community and just have that, that wider lens on what Duluth is, how do you see the clinic fitting into that piece? Hmm. Yeah, that's a good question. You know, it's funny because Duluth, is it Duluth Superior? It's one of those areas, big towns, small cities. Everybody knows everybody somewhere along the way, especially if you don't ever leave here, which I did for a few years, but, there's, it seems like there's, there's so many pockets in the community and what I do, like my day job, you know, I'm in banking, so yeah, I, I try to connect with, a wider network of folks in various industries. Could be private business, nonprofits, public entities, you name it. And, we're really fortunate overall. Duluth seems like, you know, we, we really have a, a strong medical community with a couple of the big hospitals that are here, and there's a, I'm seeing a lot of different, specialty, clinics and private practices pop up more. Um, and the, the clinic, it seems like there's a place with all of that. It seems like right place, right time. I am not a medical expert, so I, you know, but just from what I see, I guess, you know, there's. With what is offered here, for this region, uh, it, it definitely fits in well. the other thing too. Just over the years, it, it really is a. A special community. there's very few places you can live with the size that we are and not have access to nature and other amenities that we kind of, I take for granted some days I'll fully admit that, I live right by Hartley Nature Center and I barely get there some days. Shame on me. You know, but that's where we live in a really special community where's there's a lot of everything you could want here from both whatever you're into. In your personal life, if you're into sports and athletics or you're into nature and, hiking or biking or whatnot, but also with what the rest of what is here that is offered with what we need every day. Like, you know, I. Uh, things like the clinic, you know, your basic, your everyone has a doctor. You probably have an accountant. You probably have, other service providers. Like you have a tree falling down in your yard. There's a tree service that can come get that, so the, I guess, where does the clinic fall in? I, it's definitely got its own thing going on, but I think it, it really strengthens the community and what the clinic does for this area for kids. that others do not have the luxury and are not fortunate enough to have. So it, I think it definitely makes us stand out too as, people in this part of the state. So that's what I would say. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's, I don't know, it's just tough to describe. It's just, um. I think it really strengthens the community at the end of the day. Thank you for that insight. It's, and because it is, we are so unique. We're not a hospital or a clinic, but we're not a school and we're not a daycare, but we're a little bit of all of those things. Yeah. A little bit of everything. Yeah. Yeah. So that, I was interested in your insight on that. Yeah. I don't remember who said it, but it is like, you know about the strength of the community by. How much it cares for their children. Mm-hmm. And I think that's part of it too, like how you were saying like we have certain, like we have a good children's museum and we have the, the Hartley Nature Center that really focuses on early childhood education and then how, and then our clinic and then some other places that have good pediatric programs. Mm-hmm. And our. and we have a strong ECFE program and, and help me grow, which is the public education for kids who are, have special needs. Mm-hmm. and that, and that's Minnesota wide, but still it fits within our whole genre of, providing for kids and making sure that they have a place to grow. And I think that's a great place to have in Duluth. Mm-hmm. That's, I, I think that's pretty powerful what you said too. 'cause when it, it's definitely one of those two where I know not everyone has children, but when I became a parent for the first time five years ago. The, everything changes a little bit like your lens on and maybe what you see and don't see changes, and yeah, you now you have a little human you have to care for. It's not a, you know, it's not a, it's not a goldfish and, uh, they're important too. And since, yeah, and since. Since we, my wife and I became parents that, you know, looking for daycares and what, what's out there, what can we get them involved in eventually And she's gonna be in kindergarten up this coming fall. And I think you're totally right that, that's one thing I've really noticed too is just as the years have gone by, like, wow, there, there really is a lot to offer here for, for kids if you can find it or you just are good at doing your homework. Sometimes if it's not easy to find. But yeah, children's museum, like we, We've got a zoo, we've got an aquarium, we've got the Lake Superior Railroad, just a couple blocks down the street. There's a lot to do, especially in the summer. I know we all get kind of, you know, grumpy when it's winter, like how does this ever gonna end sometimes. Mm-hmm. But yeah, uh, yeah, there's a lot of opportunity here for kids for sure. Well, and the playhouse too. So the Duluth Playhouse has so many educational opportunities for kids. They have a lot of different classes, programs. Are you taking Millie to Seussical the musical? I should weekend. She probably love it. That's like probably the prime age for it. So, um, and the Duluth Playhouse is so generous to work with us, for the stage play program, which Tamara is very much involved in. Mm-hmm. Um, trying to, um, have universal access for. For kids, specifically neurodivergent kids for stage play, but then they also are so accepting the acting community is always so everybody has their place and their, and they're right to shine. And that's like cool. And I think about the library too. And so especially the summer, all year round. we've worked with the library before too, and, they're fantastic. Is it every child ready or just every child ready Duluth coalition. Yes. So we've mm-hmm. We've been involved with them kind of trying to provide some different, social narratives or, playgroup types ideas and so grants that they've gotten, and so it's, yeah. It's nice to be able to work together as a community. Mm-hmm. Yeah. We've, we're blessed with one heck of an arts community for sure. Yeah, between the playhouse and the, a lot of the music that's offered here. And then, yeah, we, I hate to admit this, but we just started going to the library about a year ago, and my daughter loves it. she loves dramatic plays, she loves reading and yeah, they do have a lot. I haven't been there in years until we finally got her there, but yeah, there's a lot out there. Mm-hmm. And they're so welcoming and they have sensory bins for kids who might need something to calm themselves. Mm-hmm. And yeah, a lot of really great resources. S Very cool. we talked about the the Scottish scramble, but, circling back to it, is that something that's gonna happen in the future or you have a new Kindles in the fire? We'll see it. It's one of those where, uh, you know, life changes pretty dramatically. A lot of our committee members were, some of us raising my hand, had another child and some other committee members, they're. things just got really heck 'cause it, if we wanna, if we're going to do it, we need to do it right. And a lot of planning goes into it. It does, but I, I hope we can bring it back. this is our, I think our second year, we haven't had it for a little while, but, but yeah, hopefully we do. It was a big, big project. I very busy, so I can't imagine trying to juggle that with a newborn and a 5-year-old. And what made it so interesting is that we had, you had. Activities for kids. And then you had the actual scramble. Mm-hmm. And then the scramble had to be interesting. It wasn't just like playing best ball, it was you were adding like, uh, what am I trying to say? Like facts about the clinic within it or like trivia. Was it trivia or was it facts? Yeah. So this was Mar, we have to give more credit to Marcus. This was his idea. So one of the holes, the last time we did this. It was brilliant. Marcus was on one of the par threes, played a game with all of the participants where one, I think so. they were all foursomes, so four golfers. One of them had to, I think, not speak for the entire whole, and Marcus really presented it well, like, how would you like to have the ability to not communicate? You know, we can all speak really well. So I, I think that was it. The, they had to pick one person who could not speak for the entire whole, and, uh, I was, I was there 'cause I, I was curious if people were actually doing this once they got away from the tee box. So I would go down to the green and all the groups did it. There was, they were, the, the players were trying to egg on the one person who could not speak to try to get them to tie and nobody did it. I was really impressed. Wow. And, I think we sweeten it up a little bit 'cause there's, you know, when you have a golf scramble, you wanna try to play some games like, hey, for $20 you guys can pick the golfer who you don't want to talk. So naturally they'd pick the chatter boxes of the group and, That was really powerful. 'cause I, I heard about that on the back end when we, we'd come in for the dinner afterwards and, a lot of people said, wow, that was really unique. Like out of all the scrambles we'd been to that, that was a first. And it just, I think it sparked a little bit of curiosity too, of people wanting to learn more about the clinic too. But yeah, that was that Again, I'll give that credit to Marcus. That was a brilliant idea. We often don't think about what it would be like if we can't communicate. It's something we just take for granted until you know someone or you, yourself loses that ability or it becomes difficult and then all of a sudden you realize like communication is who we are. Mm-hmm. And what happens when you don't have that anymore? How do you. And how do you get along in your environment? How do you connect with others? How do you get your daily needs met? Um, just basic, basic things and yeah, it's important. Mm-hmm. And just a little teeny tiny exercise at a golf scramble opened their brains to that. That's really cool. And so, yeah, we appreciated that again, that you guys were working together, not just like I'm giving money. I feel good. It's like knowing where it's going is is a whole nother step that keeps people donating, I think. Mm-hmm. And so we appreciate that to all, all the donors, is that those, we appreciate the one time donors. We appreciate the ones, the people who come yak year after year saying, Nope, this is what I support. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And the funds go directly to the clinic, so it's really not. Not a, it's really a pretty simple structure, you know? Yes. Masonic Charities, you know, helps oversee everything, but it's really, you know, me as director, the therapist, and the families. And so, you know, every year I do the budget and this, every donation goes directly to the programming here. So I think it's really exciting too for people to know that Wow, when I give, it really is helping the, these families in our area. Mm-hmm. It's people we know and it's people that, that we can support. Yeah. I think it was new last year. Where we tried to get, uh, again, just those little ideas for the annual dinner where, again. Miss Nikki has to do all of the budget. So she, so her and Emily got together and were like, how much money do we spend on bubbles every year? Let's share. And people were shocked. Yes, we do bubbles year round. it's not just a summer thing, but, um, what's the other things we just, how much bubbles money we spend on bubbles. The bubble budget and the Play-Doh budget. And the Play-Doh. Yes. Budget was a big one. Yes. Because we do the Fancy Handmade Play-Doh by Miss Andy Theon all the time. Mm-hmm. I know. I saw it one day and I went, oh, my daughter would love that Play-Doh. That's the good stuff. It is the good stuff. And it's just easier to make it in the big batches like that. Mm-hmm. So yeah, I know that was one thing last year's dinner, that was my first time co like, not MCing but doing the auction part. Mm-hmm. And I know that's what we all came back to. Those of us who were speaking. Was, alright, come on guys. The bubble budget needs you, because it, but it's such a fun way, it's, it's not just another dinner where you do your, auction style or whatnot, like breaking down the, the cost of some of this stuff is really, because sometimes I think people go to those things and they think, well, I can donate like 50 bucks. Is that really going to help you? And just especially with how much everything costs today. Yeah. Mm-hmm. It does help. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But just having us who are on the development committee and up in front of people being able to play around with that, it just, it really lightens things up too, but it just, um, it really does. Once you see some numbers or, or what, like, Hey, here's what we have to buy. It's not just your typical office expenses, right. Of copy paper and pens and whatever, like, you know. Bubbles, man. Yeah, but bubbles, here's a, bubbles make the world go round. They really, they really are engaging. And, um, it was $611 for anyone who's wondering what the bubble budget was there. Go. There you go. Don't leave them hanging. That was good. I, I wouldn't know either. So that was a good reminder. yes, that's very common. One of the first, requests that I get from our little people that, in fact today, um, a child who is. Two and a half. He has a new a a C device and on the A a A C device, there's the core word. So we say play. And so I help with play, and then there's like bubbles, cars, blocks, and he's like, bubbles. And I'm like, every time I'm like, he might actually play cars too, but he's like, bubbles. And I'm like, okay, let's do bubbles. It's like bubbles or cars, bubbles. I'm like, okay. More bubbles. More bubbles. More bubbles. Yep. That's great. Well, they're fun and they're calming. Mm-hmm. And for some kids, who are really dysregulated, if you can get them to blow bubbles, it's really a deep breathing exercise. there's so many actions you can do with bubbles. the bubbles are out there. Can, are you gonna pinch them? Are you gonna kick them? Are you going to. kiss the bubble, like, how, what are you gonna do? Like, there's all these language opportunities with bubbles. So it's, I need to get some bubbles in my office. Now. You said deep breathing, that'd probably be a good technique. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. And some Play-Doh, Yeah. A good fidget. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Some good different and different opportunities. You're in a meeting, you're like, anybody, anybody? Anybody? Yeah. Need a fidget? Need a fidget. Yeah. But it's also good to normalize those things too. 'cause everybody is doing different things to, number one, be engaged, to be able to communicate, but also sometimes just to be able to attend and, and have fun. Yeah. Well and you watch people at meetings and you'll see the people who are like the leg shakers, they're the pen tapers or the clickers and it's like we all have those sensory needs uhhuh to, to help us calm and attend and our kids just need it at a different level. Yep. Which is why we have things like, different sensory equipment and why we have a consultative occupational therapist that comes in and helps, give therapists ideas like how to help the child's system so that we can help their language improve. Because when they're regulated and happy and getting their needs met, then they're in a place to learn. So that's, I love that too. Yeah. Yeah. All right, great. Well thanks for coming in and sharing your experiences and continue to work in the community that involves the Masonic Children's Clinic. Yes, thank you. Thank you for having me. It was really a pleasure. And uh, we'll, we'll see what else comes outta development committee and what else we've got coming up this year, so that's great. Well, thank you. That wraps up this episode of Hear Me Out. Thanks so much for listening. Be sure to subscribe, share the podcast with others, and join us next time as we continue learning from the professionals, parents and donors who make this work possible and celebrate the amazing kids we serve. To learn more about the Masonic Children's Clinic or to support our mission of providing free speech, language and hearing services, visit our website and consider making a donation. Every gift helps us give children the voice they deserve. Visit us at masonic children's clinic.org.