Juggling Comedy, Chaos, and Faith (with Ron Pearson)

In this debut episode of Who Gave Jeff Allen a Podcast?, Jeff Allen and co-host Carollynn Xavier kick things off with comedian, actor, and world-class juggler Ron Pearson. From street performing at age 10 to taking fourth in the world as a juggler, Ron shares his journey from the streets of Seattle to Hollywood's biggest stages.

Jeff, Carollynn, and Ron swap stories about stand-up comedy, the evolution of clean humor, the challenges of working in clubs versus churches, and even how juggling, ADHD, and stock trading somehow all connect. 

🎙️ Topics Covered:
✅ The reality of working in comedy for decades
✅ Why clean comedy is harder (but worth it)
✅ Hecklers, club nightmares, and crazy audience interactions
✅ The financial ups and downs of entertainment careers
✅ Finding your "why" in comedy and life

This episode is full of laughs, wisdom, and a few ridiculous tangents—exactly what you’d expect from a podcast that no one asked for, but everyone needs.

Transcript

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Speaker 1
Hey, everybody, this is Jeff Allen. This is one of, what we hope to be many, episodes. When, Carolyn and I were discussing putting this together. One of the things that we did agree on was that, there just wasn't enough podcasts in the cyberspace world. We thought one more would just be about the number, what we need for a balance.

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Speaker 1
And, again, people ask, as if, I remember when I was putting the book together, people ask, what is the book about? And, I really didn't know. It just kind of organically came together and, it, and this is kind of in the same vein. There is no particular theme that we're working on right now.

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Speaker 1
This is episode one. We'll see where this evolves. We need you, to subscribe wherever that is on the button. And we need you to share this and get this out. And, hopefully we can create something that is not only, edifying to, your, souls or your minds or your hearts make you laugh.

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Speaker 1
Hopefully that's the goal. But also, to somehow glorify, the, the divine that, we all hold in common here. So, our first guest, one of my dearest friends in the entire planet. And I don't think it's a coincidence. He just happened to be in town, as we were putting this together. So, it is an honor to interview one of my closest and dearest friends, Mr. Ron Pearson.

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Speaker 1
From, Southern Cal and so.

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Speaker 2
Cal and Texas.

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Speaker 1
And Texas and. That's right. Yeah. So I have one the first question. We're going to have many questions.

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Speaker 2
First of all, I just want to say an honor to be on episode one. Thank you Carolyn. Thank you Jeff, for those of you listening in France episode,

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Speaker 1
Yeah, we're already we're already we're global.

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Speaker 2
And by the way, we're talking about.

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Speaker 1
It is the worldwide web. But hang on, I have a I have one question I want to ask you this. I've been thinking about this. I wrote it down. Okay. And this is what's going to kick off our podcast. All right. And this is what we hopefully will get every viewer interested enough to get this out. Okay. So I want to do this right okay.

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Speaker 2
But this is a setup.

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Speaker 1
Ron Pierce.

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Speaker 2
Yes.

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Speaker 1
If you're a tree, boxers or briefs.

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Speaker 2
The answer is false. Peanut butter does not come in spray cans.

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Speaker 1
This is what you're in for. A back in sixth. So. And, Carolyn is Xavier. Is the,

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Speaker 3
I'm a person.

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Speaker 1
I made it what you did.

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Speaker 3
I made it in. Yes. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
All the way from Holland Wall.

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Speaker 3
Yeah, all the way from the middle of nowhere. Tennessee. Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1
I want you to have in common, which is really cool, is that you're both California. You're a California, transplant to Tennessee.

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Speaker 3
Yeah, but I escaped.

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Speaker 2
Yes. Right. I still have a foot in the state, but I also have a foot in Texas, so I go back and forth. But what's funny is I met her, doing this comedy shows in Atlanta, and she was down there. And then I started watching your stuff online, which is good. The recovering California is so funny. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
And I go, that's funny because I'm writing a book a bit. And now about, living in both LA and Texas and that. Yeah. And that it's very similar, but the different take on it and, that's gone well for me. That's good. Yeah.

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Speaker 3
It's funny stuff.

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Speaker 1
Well, I mean, I love the different states. I mean, that's what this whole experiment was supposed to be about. I was just in Utah and I went to a gun range on a Saturday morning, and it was all Mormon families, little five year olds dragging along. I remember one rifle. I go, oh my God.

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Speaker 2
Which is so.

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Speaker 1
Miserable.

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Speaker 2
That is that.

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Speaker 1
Is so stupid.

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Speaker 2
Because everyone knows you don't put the barrel in the ground.

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Speaker 1
Lift the barrel.

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Speaker 2
Up, young man. Don't put it anywhere, but don't drag it to the ground.

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Speaker 1
It it wouldn't see that in California, no matter of fact, when I was in LA, I went to a gun range. And the guy who looks at my Tennessee license, he goes, oh, what's it like living in America? You. Know.

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Speaker 3
When I first moved here, I moved here, and I was dating this truck driver from Florida, and I'd never seen, like, a gun.

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Speaker 2
Wait, wait. We have to stop there. That's that's. We need to raise your life goals.

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Speaker 3
I've upgraded since,

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Speaker 2
No offense. I love truckers, by the way, I have.

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Speaker 3
His name was biscuit. He was a sweet man. But he was a trucker, and he took a gun everywhere, and I had, like, full California ideology. And I was like, isn't that going to, like, is he going to kill me? Like, is he going to jump out of there? And I was scared and he'd like, leave it in the car.

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Speaker 3
And I believe I leave it in the car. It's going to get me like, I had no idea I was so worried about it. And then now.

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Speaker 1
You all know what, 12.

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Speaker 3
Like eight. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
Hey.

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Speaker 3
Yeah, I actually have six right here. If you need.

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Speaker 1
We are packing because you never know. You never know. So, Mr. Pierson, we were talking, earlier this morning. And you are, you're a variety kind of comic.

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Speaker 2
I would be considered as variety. I'm a juggler. Yeah. So I.

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Speaker 1
Got a.

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Speaker 2
World. So I guess I'll do. Yes. So I started as a juggler. As a kid, but I would street perform and do these comedy shows from the age of ten on. So just think about street performing, like you guys are in comedy club people, you know? And when I'm there, people have already paid their money to come in.

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Speaker 2
That's what they're doing. When you're on the street, people are just walking by. They're going somewhere. You have to get them to stop. Yeah, then then get them to like you and then like you enough that they're going to reach in their pocket and give you money. And I lived off that for four years.

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Speaker 3
Was it like Venice, Santa Monica? Where were you?

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Speaker 2
I started I started doing that at ten years old in Seattle and Seattle. Seattle and Portland and then.

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Speaker 1
That was before the city of Chaz was created. Yes.

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Speaker 2
By the way, I used to work up there on, that's up on Broadway, up on Capitol Hill. And I used to do when I was in college at the University of Washington's. I would go Friday and Saturday nights in between these two bars up on Capitol Hill, because there would be people and I would do these street shows and I would make like 50 bucks.

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Speaker 2
You're talking about like 1984, 85.

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Speaker 1
You buy a house for $75? Yeah.

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Speaker 2
No, but I mean, 50 bucks like that gets you a long way. And you do that two nights in a row. All of sudden it's like 100 bucks back in those days, like.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, right. We were still on the gold standard back then, weren't we? As a country?

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Speaker 2
That was in the, 1969. Yes.

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Speaker 3
So, wait, we used to be backed by gold.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. That was. Yeah. Yes, yes.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. The paper actually had a reason for it.

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Speaker 3
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Tell me what.

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Speaker 2
What does. Yeah. So, actually, one night up there, there was, there was this I had done it enough that there was this, homeless guy. He was an alcoholic guy. And he you he saw me making money. Know it's come up. Hey, can I can I have some money? You know? Yeah. And, I'd be like, okay, I tell you what.

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Speaker 2
You want to eat because I'm not going to buy liquor. You want to eat? Give me your harmonica. I knew what he valued that here's, you know, five bucks back then. Five bucks get you lot. I know he's five bucks. Bring me back the change in the receipt and you get your harmonica back. And so that was the little game we played for months.

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Speaker 2
And then one night I'm doing the show, and he comes in, pushes his way in the crowd. I've got. I'm in the middle of my show. Yeah. And he start, he's cursing at me and yelling, and he's walking at me. I'm like, oh, this is ugly. So I used to do a bit with a machete, a bowling ball and ping pong ball.

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Speaker 3
So. So does the car.

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Speaker 2
Take up the machete?

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Speaker 1
I become. What did you say?

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Speaker 3
You said so. It's the cartel.

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Speaker 1
Yeah.

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Speaker 2
Well, that's my other job. So? So I pick up the machete. You no one to stop him, but two. I'll get a laugh with it. But it doesn't get a laugh. And he doesn't stop. You know that drunk where they you crazy eyed and. Yeah, my.

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Speaker 1
Brother was like that. Okay. You could hear the click. Yeah. You know, and then it was like yeah.

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Speaker 2
So I'm like, oh no. So I'm in. You know, you're just thinking in split second like to I'm by the way, I'm really I'm 6111 43. I'm really skinny. But I'm like, okay, but I have some strength, you know?

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Speaker 1
So you avoided the sewer grates. You just didn't want to.

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Speaker 2
It had only happened twice. And so I'm sitting there like, do I take this guy down? That will look horrible, but he's coming at me to harm me. And I'm like, so I, I just split second, I go, that wouldn't look good. I still want to pass the hat and make money. So I start weaving in and out of the crowd, like to circling.

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Speaker 2
He's trying to follow me, to get me.

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Speaker 1
So he's after.

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Speaker 2
You. He's totally after me. Yes, he's going to.

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Speaker 1
He wants this harmonica. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
No, no, I didn't give him.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, this was only.

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Speaker 2
He was just coming in. He was drunk and angry. Right. And so I'm like, could somebody call a car, please? Because. And then of course, the crowd disperse. That was a nightmare. But that's fine.

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Speaker 3
You're gonna say you taught him how to juggle, and then you started booking him, and. Yeah, you.

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Speaker 1
All with an ending.

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Speaker 2
For that. I didn't, I exploited him. I'm an agent.

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Speaker 1
I did, I did, I, did I mention to you this podcast? You don't have to tell the truth. You could have just made up some really cool ending to how, you know, he took the machete and. And he actually killed some guy that was behind you. He was because you didn't know the guy behind you.

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Speaker 2
You cut his hair, and now he's a really good hairstylist, right?

00:10:03:17 - 00:10:03:29
Speaker 1
I got a.

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Speaker 2
Salon right up there.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. So, anyway, what, we were talking about your juggle and things, and, there is this thing within the comedy community. We we, we we know this, that there are people who think that analogy is the only pure form of standup comedy that there is. Everybody else is just peripheral and and, I've heard the conversations throughout my career in the back room where people mocked or made fun of or called people who do ventriloquism or props or juggling juggling.

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Speaker 1
And it was, as I was saying, as.

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Speaker 2
Magicians.

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Speaker 1
As just, they're not really comic real comics.

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Speaker 2
Right.

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Speaker 1
And, I've always been of the belief that the whole point was to entertain an audience. So whatever you did, you know, I started as a magician. I mean, I did one show on stage as a magician. I dropped five different things in the course of the show. I said my hands were shaking, I was nervous, and I realized, you know, I could bomb without all the props, right?

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Speaker 1
If I were to suck, I'm going to do it with the least.

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Speaker 2
Amount, props.

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Speaker 1
Effort that I have, and I need to like a whole case for this stuff. So. So anyway, but we got to talking a little earlier today, and we got into this topic of I love your theory and, and, comedy in general.

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Speaker 2
Well, let me just tell you my arc first of all. Yeah. So start as a street performer and I would and, and so I was a juggler, and I would do, like, more circus style shows to music, juggling, and get booked for a variety shows and small circus, things like that. But I also did a comedy show in the street, and then, at 14, I did my first national television, went on the Mike Douglas Show, which would be like being on Ellen now and then.

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Speaker 2
By the time I was 19, I was.

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Speaker 1
Like, believe me, I had the same thought popped into my head, and I'd rather be on Mike Douglas.

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Speaker 3
My thought was, who's Mike Douglas? My second thought was like, Alan was on when I was in like elementary school, I think.

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Speaker 2
So I actually did the pilot for her talk show.

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Speaker 3
Really.

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Speaker 2
And twice. So we did two of them. Yeah. So yeah, I also worked on her first sitcom and her second sitcom.

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Speaker 1
And that and we were going to get into that. You warm up. Yes. Yeah. So because I wanted to talk about what you do, what people don't know behind the scenes for the sitcoms. Yeah. But we'll get into that. But yeah, yeah. Go into your,

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Speaker 2
Well, so anyway, your life story. Yeah. So I'm going.

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Speaker 1
To. We only have an hour. Yeah. So.

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Speaker 3
Yeah. You need an answer.

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Speaker 1
Well, well, they say now 14. I was born in a log cabin. Yeah. Other than the log cabin, what else did you have in common with Abraham Lincoln?

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Speaker 1
Six foot. Oh. By candlelight? Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
And I'm averse to bullets to the head.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. So.

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Speaker 2
So, So anyway, I end up, I go to the University of Washington, and I still, I would practice juggling, like, three hours a night, six nights a week. I just work really hard. So by the time I was 19, I took fourth in the world, as a, juggler.

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Speaker 1
Well, explained to me, with the world championship of juggling, looks like.

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Speaker 2
Well, back then it was different than it is now. So back then you would go, that.

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Speaker 3
Was the real jugglers back then.

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Speaker 1
Back then, back.

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Speaker 3
In the day. Not these TikTok kids coming up.

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Speaker 2
Right? Right, right. Well, at that time, you know, there's different there's different forms of of that and who holds it. But I went to this place called the IJA and that year was in Atlanta. So I flew down to Atlanta. And then in those days, you have to, you do a routine that will get you into the finals.

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Speaker 2
And they picked the top ten guys. And, so you do this routine, you have to do they count how many tricks you do, and you have like seven minutes, I think it was. And and the style and the difficulty, and they add up all those points and you lose points for drops and whatnot. And, style would mean the style of juggling and or presentation, like, you could just be a really good, entertaining artist and you'll get, you'll do really well, even maybe if you're not that.

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Speaker 1
Much points for originality on the lines, like if you drop because most.

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Speaker 2
You know, this isn't conversation, this is all to me is this is all silent.

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Speaker 1
Oh, okay.

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 1
Seven minutes. People don't realize how long that is to be.

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Speaker 3
So what's happening in your personal life, like at school? Are you pulling chicks off this? Juggling liquor? People like this is.

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Speaker 1
The guy we're going to get into the like, that's. We're going to get into the why later.

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Speaker 2
Your prom date.

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Speaker 3
It's like, yeah, you get in here.

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Speaker 2
So you think it pulls chicks. You must go to a lot of Ren fairs, because that's the kind of person that, like.

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Speaker 1
My son juggles, oh.

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Speaker 2
This is the man I want to have. My children. Boy will grow up in my house.

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Speaker 3
My son's 15. He swears that Renaissance fairs are for mid chubby cheeks with autism to have a second chance at dating. He's like this is their space.

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Speaker 1
Wow.

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Speaker 2
Well that would.

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Speaker 1
That. Where did he get such a dark view of life?

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Speaker 3
This kernel probably my fault. Probably my by.

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Speaker 1
A.

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Speaker 3
Little bit. He actually we were in Colorado recently and he wanted to go to the Ren fair and we were like, oh, we can't make it. And he was like, so many Yonkers like, dude.

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Speaker 2
You're so many were.

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Speaker 3
Yonkers. He's like 15.

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Speaker 2
What's the word? Yonkers.

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Speaker 3
Ladies, ladies.

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Speaker 2
Oh, yeah yeah yeah yeah. Oh, now I know it.

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Speaker 3
He's a big fan of rent.

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Speaker 1
Rent ladies. My son, both of my boys went to Renaissance Fair, so I think now you know why they did sword fights and the, you know, and, in the yard and, I still have some in my shed that they produced. Shot potatoes out of potato guns.

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Speaker 2
And that's actually really.

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Speaker 1
Fun to my son. Still play did that still play games online with and AT&T and.

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Speaker 2
All of that. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
My sweetly yeah devoid of anything. I had no influence on my children. No. None. Yeah. None at all.

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Speaker 3
Okay I distracted.

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Speaker 2
Okay. No, no. But the reality is yeah there's some, there's some there's three types of jugglers. Okay. You have your hippie out of Eugene, Oregon who smoked pot all day, and. Hey, man, we're gonna juggle. It's juggle. That's a lot of them. You also have, your computer, programmer. These guys like. Like MIT used to have a juggling club, and it was all the computer guy.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. And they think in patterns, and they have all these names for the different patterns, and then they come up with new patterns there their brain goes. And then you also have like the, the PE teacher type guy. Right. So you know, think of the girls that are attracted to any of those three. And that's probably what you're going to attract.

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Speaker 2
Right. It's going to you know, it'll be a hippie chick, a computer nerd or the some girl that likes the athleticism of it. And so will you.

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Speaker 1
Remember, I'm sure you heard of The Flying Karamazov.

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Speaker 2
Brothers. Okay, so when I was.

00:17:17:00 - 00:17:17:17
Speaker 1
Like.

00:17:17:19 - 00:17:21:06
Speaker 2
13, I used to street perform with one of them before he was in.

00:17:21:06 - 00:17:35:12
Speaker 1
The well, they went to Chicago and they did a thing at the end of their show. They were brilliant. They were. And they did a thing at the end of the show where they said, bring up any three items. Yes, we'll juggle them for 20s or whatever it is not. Then they gave them when he then he.

00:17:35:13 - 00:17:40:16
Speaker 2
Gets a tie in the pie and he gets pie in the face. So the last day, not a shout out. Yeah.

00:17:40:22 - 00:17:47:14
Speaker 1
And the last day. No lie. Somebody throws on like a 30 pound cow tongue. They just. You hear this splat.

00:17:47:17 - 00:17:48:24
Speaker 2
Oh it's gross.

00:17:49:00 - 00:17:50:01
Speaker 1
So he's trying to juggle.

00:17:50:01 - 00:17:50:27
Speaker 2
The cow dung.

00:17:50:29 - 00:17:58:18
Speaker 1
Yeah. And a bowling ball. Ping pong. That's great. It was. It was fascinating. And, when they came to see, I took my family to see them.

00:17:58:20 - 00:18:07:14
Speaker 2
Their show was so good. Yeah, it was. It was brilliant. People being as silly as you can be. Basically a lot of.

00:18:07:16 - 00:18:10:12
Speaker 1
So where would you put them in the MIT or the.

00:18:10:14 - 00:18:13:20
Speaker 2
No, they're they're, they're, they're hippies.

00:18:13:26 - 00:18:14:03
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00:18:14:03 - 00:18:15:06
Speaker 2
They did, no doubt about it.

00:18:15:06 - 00:18:20:20
Speaker 1
They had long hair. So my, my father would have discounted them immediately. Yeah, yeah.

00:18:20:22 - 00:18:36:24
Speaker 2
What a great show though. Like I used to go to it. They were in town. I would go 3 or 4 times. I still could recite, tons and tons of lines out of their show and, and, you know, they, they went to Broadway and then they did some movies and then, you know, we're touring big theaters and.

00:18:36:24 - 00:18:43:21
Speaker 1
Yeah, well, we had a good 2500 seats, so. Yeah. So anyway, you're, you're, so street performing.

00:18:43:21 - 00:18:44:14
Speaker 2
Street performing.

00:18:44:14 - 00:18:44:26
Speaker 1
What got.

00:18:44:26 - 00:18:49:29
Speaker 2
You? Well, I do fourth, I do fourth right out of the the competition.

00:18:50:01 - 00:18:54:14
Speaker 1
And and where do you fit in all that MIT hippie? No, you're not a hippie.

00:18:54:16 - 00:19:12:04
Speaker 2
Yeah, I'm somewhere in. I'm a baby of eight. Who needs a lot of attention. And so I'm going to get good at something that not many people are good at. That way, I'll be on top of the game for once. I mean, literally, that's probably the biggest motivation. Yeah.

00:19:12:04 - 00:19:15:29
Speaker 3
So did you see something on TV? And you're like, my parents will love me if I can juggle.

00:19:16:05 - 00:19:41:03
Speaker 2
So I was I was at school in the fifth grade, and my friend's older sister, who was also my assistant soccer coach, was she went to an alternative high school and she got, she got, a credit for PE to teach juggling at our school. And she was a clown and street performer in Seattle. And so she comes in, I wasn't going to take the class.

00:19:41:03 - 00:19:59:06
Speaker 2
Why am I going to take this class? And she walks by the door. Ronnie, you're going to you're going to take my class, aren't you? I'm like, oh yeah. Yeah, I well, so I go in, but I was the first kid out of 50 to learn. And then I got, I was real good real quick. And so she said you and these other two let's start street performers.

00:19:59:06 - 00:20:18:21
Speaker 2
So I started Street Performer and then you're like ten and my first time ten doing it. And I come home with, you know, that's in the mid 70s and I come home with five bucks, like five bucks, you know, when I was, 15, I worked at a supermarket and I got $2 and, like $0.36 an hour.

00:20:18:27 - 00:20:33:00
Speaker 2
So I'm, I'm ten and I come home with five bucks by the time I'm 13, 14, I might make a couple grand a year with my performing stuff. Right. So then I go on the Mike Douglas Show at 14. I'm on a national.

00:20:33:00 - 00:20:40:24
Speaker 1
What's the statue limitations on tax law? Oh, what? I just I don't want my taxes, I just don't I okay. All right. I'm just.

00:20:40:24 - 00:21:00:10
Speaker 2
Checking. Maybe not in those years, but I did actually when I did. So. So I take fourth in the world and I say to myself, because I was on the Dean's list at the University of Washington Business School, I'm like, I'm like, school is no fun. I love business, but at school is no fun at all. And I I've got people in Europe wanting me to work.

00:21:00:10 - 00:21:20:16
Speaker 2
I've got people in San Diego wanting to manage me. A former world champion wants to manage me down there, and I'm like, I'm fourth in the world. I'm dropping out. So I move to France and I work in a comedy theater troupe, and I perform in French and German, but I don't know the language. I want to learn the show in those languages.

00:21:20:16 - 00:21:21:14
Speaker 2
Wow. Do that.

00:21:21:14 - 00:21:29:08
Speaker 1
Yeah, I've known you for almost 30 years, and never knew this. This is an amazing podcast. Yeah.

00:21:29:10 - 00:21:32:09
Speaker 3
Like and subscribe. So we don't have tape on the microphone.

00:21:32:09 - 00:21:40:17
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah yeah. We we are in my kitchen to, we're hoping to move to a studio. Yeah yeah yeah. So so anyway you're in France and.

00:21:40:23 - 00:21:45:21
Speaker 2
So I work for there. I work over there for like 5 or 6 months and it's so cool that.

00:21:45:21 - 00:21:47:20
Speaker 1
You learn any of the language by then.

00:21:47:22 - 00:21:58:10
Speaker 2
Just go to for support. They're just we and jungler American mention I Padma fought Japan okay. Mention a company in the company.

00:21:58:12 - 00:22:05:01
Speaker 1
Wow. Taco, you were so French. I'm ready to give up my daughter. Yeah.

00:22:05:04 - 00:22:18:09
Speaker 3
My pet hair grew an injured. At least in that minute. Okay, I have a question. And it's not. I don't mean that disrespectful. I feel like because you took to it so quickly. Are you dyslexic or ADHD?

00:22:18:09 - 00:22:24:05
Speaker 2
ADHD to the fullest. And I didn't know until, I had.

00:22:24:05 - 00:22:27:24
Speaker 1
To. The pharmaceutical companies came up with the name for it so they could sell piles.

00:22:27:29 - 00:22:30:10
Speaker 2
I had to go to this place for youth trauma.

00:22:30:12 - 00:22:30:21
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00:22:30:21 - 00:22:48:03
Speaker 2
And so I'm there and and it's a lot of therapy. It's a lot. And that halfway through one of the doctors. Because we want you to take this, ADHD survey, I go okay. Because do tonight when you're at home and, so I don't go home at night takes 20 minutes. I bring it back to the next and goes.

00:22:48:09 - 00:23:04:04
Speaker 2
It looks and goes. Yeah, it's what we thought, what we thought. But he goes, you're borderline. He goes, do me a favor. Go back tonight, call your wife and make sure you both agree on each answer. Like, okay, I go home, I go, honey, it's this. She goes, are you kidding me?

00:23:04:06 - 00:23:06:15
Speaker 1
And I go, oh, you're right.

00:23:06:18 - 00:23:10:14
Speaker 2
So I change like half of the answers because she reminds me, I.

00:23:10:14 - 00:23:15:29
Speaker 1
Think the spouses should fill out. Yes. Yeah for sure. One they know you better. Yeah. Two, they're more honest.

00:23:15:29 - 00:23:35:29
Speaker 2
So I take it back into him the next day and he goes, it's what we thought. You're extremely ADHD. Yeah. So what? And what I've done to actually fix that issue is I used to have about 8 or 10. I'll call them pots on the stove projects and you're just barely you're just running back and forth and, and it's just a chaos.

00:23:35:29 - 00:23:53:14
Speaker 2
And so now I'm only allowed three pots on the stove at a time, and it makes me organize. What's important and what's not important doesn't mean they won't be done, but they're off on the side. And if I want to put and take a pot off and put a new pot on my wife, my therapist and my buddy all have to agree.

00:23:53:14 - 00:23:59:20
Speaker 2
I have to go to them and say I'm shifting again and it makes me finish. Project.

00:23:59:23 - 00:24:00:16
Speaker 1
This is so.

00:24:00:16 - 00:24:04:28
Speaker 2
Weird. And you? I'm better at what I do. I am better at what I do because of it.

00:24:05:00 - 00:24:17:04
Speaker 3
Yeah, you can tell how you were talking. I was like, he's got either the dyslexia or the ADHD superpower. Yeah, I can feel it. Yes. Yeah. For sure. I love how you're like, I can't juggle nine things at a time. Only three things that it does.

00:24:17:06 - 00:24:18:05
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah.

00:24:18:07 - 00:24:21:12
Speaker 3
Yeah I have dyslexia and ADHD okay.

00:24:21:14 - 00:24:24:25
Speaker 2
Yeah. So how did you get diagnosed and how did you deal with it?

00:24:24:28 - 00:24:27:16
Speaker 3
My son got diagnosed. That's how I figured it out.

00:24:27:20 - 00:24:31:19
Speaker 2
I so it's genetic.

00:24:31:21 - 00:24:49:10
Speaker 3
Good luck kids. I always thought that I was just stupid. Like, I couldn't read, I couldn't focus, I only went to sixth grade, like, I just always. And I was always in the special kids classes, which in Southern California were ESL. So you think I'd be better at Spanish? But I'm not, right.

00:24:49:14 - 00:24:52:02
Speaker 2
ESL means English as a second language, right? Yeah.

00:24:52:02 - 00:24:53:28
Speaker 3
So for the Southerners, yeah, yeah.

00:24:53:28 - 00:25:08:22
Speaker 1
For me, I didn't know what that was. Yeah. But I was playing like I did. Yeah. See, that's how good of an accent. It's nice. Yeah. They did not of knowledge. I went I had no idea what you were talking about it. Yeah.

00:25:08:22 - 00:25:26:25
Speaker 3
It was the words they would put, kids, they had like special needs in with kids that were just trying to learn a second language. So we all got, like, super screwed up. Anyways, so my son, he couldn't read when he was, like, five years old, and I started homeschooling him because I thought the school system was, like, causing the problem.

00:25:26:25 - 00:25:35:07
Speaker 3
And then anyways, he went and got tested and then they were like, do you have any of these? I was like, I got all those like, what are you talking about? Right, right. Yeah, yeah, I got all those.

00:25:35:09 - 00:25:48:11
Speaker 1
Yeah. My favorite one was the alcoholism test. You know, the 20 questions I answered yes to 19 of them, and that one kept me drinking for another five years. I'm not bad. I'm not that I don't know. I've never been.

00:25:48:11 - 00:26:06:00
Speaker 2
Hospitalized. Yeah. No. Well, so obviously I take to something that's a little more physical, right? Yeah. But I do enjoy, you know, like, I'm big in, stock trading. I really like that. I get into that things, I get into theology, I get into.

00:26:06:02 - 00:26:30:02
Speaker 1
Well, I'm amazed how disciplined you are with the stock trading, because I tried it. And because of my issues, I couldn't discipline myself to be patient enough to do the the, the, the stuff you're supposed to do. And you are extremely poor. You you paper traded for a year with the theory or the whatever that you're working on and stuff.

00:26:30:02 - 00:26:40:04
Speaker 1
So that that blew me away that you because I know you're scatterbrained like I am. But to be able to sit in front of a computer and be patient enough to do what you're supposed to do.

00:26:40:04 - 00:26:41:07
Speaker 2
Once it's follow the rules.

00:26:41:07 - 00:26:42:11
Speaker 1
To follow the rules, right?

00:26:42:11 - 00:26:49:01
Speaker 3
But that's ADHD, the the key challenge reward. If I love this, I'm all in on this and I'm really, really good at.

00:26:49:01 - 00:26:51:05
Speaker 2
Allows you to become hyper focused. Yeah.

00:26:51:05 - 00:26:55:16
Speaker 3
And then the pattern recognition I'm sure you just have like oh that beautiful.

00:26:55:21 - 00:26:57:03
Speaker 1
Yeah yeah yeah. It's beautiful. Yeah.

00:26:57:09 - 00:27:26:28
Speaker 2
Wow. So but also I'm more disciplined this time around because in the late 90s, I lost $1.4 million in three weeks after having built up a nice thing. Right? But because of my lack of management skills. Right. Like, I learned trading well in, in the 90s and then, so I'm a good trader. But if you don't know if management of that is 50% of the game.

00:27:26:29 - 00:27:36:28
Speaker 2
Right. And no one had taught me the management part. So now this time around, I'm so much more disciplined and I put rules and boundaries and manage it properly.

00:27:37:00 - 00:27:49:05
Speaker 1
Yeah. I got into, I went to one of those seminars. Yeah, at the arena here. And they tell you you can trade stocks with the big boys. Oh, sure I can, you know. So anyway, I got into,

00:27:49:07 - 00:27:50:12
Speaker 3
So now he's selling rodent.

00:27:50:19 - 00:27:53:05
Speaker 1
Well, future, future futures trading.

00:27:53:05 - 00:27:53:28
Speaker 2
And that's what I'm doing.

00:27:54:04 - 00:27:55:12
Speaker 1
I didn't tell Tammy.

00:27:55:14 - 00:27:56:03
Speaker 2
I love you, and.

00:27:56:03 - 00:27:58:02
Speaker 1
I'm sitting it up. You didn't tell.

00:27:58:03 - 00:28:00:10
Speaker 2
That I'm sitting here. Tell me. With you. Appreciate that.

00:28:00:12 - 00:28:18:20
Speaker 1
Right on my on my computer. Looks like in the living room. Yeah. Now she knows this because, and I buy my first. I buy my first copper futures, and I'm eating ribs and like it. 12 seconds later, I lose 1200.

00:28:18:20 - 00:28:19:20
Speaker 2
Yes, yes, yes.

00:28:19:20 - 00:28:26:29
Speaker 1
And you can't make a sound because she'll go. What? And then you got to go, oh, nothing. And then they'll go, what do you mean? So anyway, I didn't.

00:28:26:29 - 00:28:27:24
Speaker 2
Want her $100.

00:28:27:24 - 00:28:47:18
Speaker 1
I read it in there like, yeah, it took me all night to get back to zero. And, anyway, long story short, I lost half of our retirement account in futures, and I had to come to her and tell her I lost and at all, I. She's such a great. She just goes, you're done. Right. That's it. You're done right there.

00:28:47:18 - 00:28:50:27
Speaker 1
The rest of it's going to be taken care of by professionals. And I go, yes.

00:28:51:03 - 00:29:04:21
Speaker 2
So now they have what's called micro minis. So you're not so a futures contract is playing, a huge amount of money and the risk is significant. Micro minis will be a 10th of that. Oh so great.

00:29:04:21 - 00:29:09:20
Speaker 1
I can get back in. Yeah, yeah, maybe.

00:29:09:22 - 00:29:24:00
Speaker 3
There's, a lot of times in this podcast, the conversations are going to be above my pay grade. This one is so above my career. I'm like, well, if I go to Kohl's and I spend this much money and I get this much Kohl's cash, Kohl's, is that how that works?

00:29:24:03 - 00:29:29:01
Speaker 1
But anyway I want to get back to the why we do what we do.

00:29:29:04 - 00:29:29:19
Speaker 2
All right.

00:29:29:19 - 00:29:37:13
Speaker 1
So we had this conversation. Yes. And I really found it fascinating Steve the political cartoonist Steve.

00:29:37:14 - 00:30:00:01
Speaker 2
Yeah okay okay. So so I come I come back to LA from France and I actually go to San Diego and I'm working as a street performer. Yeah, right. And I'm doing really well. I'm a college dropout who's making about 25% more than the average business degree out of the University of Washington by street, performing two days a week.

00:30:00:03 - 00:30:10:18
Speaker 2
So. All right, my little scheme is working here. This is happening. Yeah. And and now I'm starting to actually get more attention from ladies. So this is.

00:30:10:18 - 00:30:12:08
Speaker 1
Even.

00:30:12:10 - 00:30:13:27
Speaker 2
Like, okay, this is Casey.

00:30:13:28 - 00:30:14:29
Speaker 3
And you're in San Diego.

00:30:14:29 - 00:30:17:14
Speaker 2
And I'm in San Diego. Okay. But one day.

00:30:17:14 - 00:30:19:09
Speaker 1
Other juggling groupies.

00:30:19:12 - 00:30:19:29
Speaker 2
Kind of.

00:30:20:05 - 00:30:20:13
Speaker 3
Chug.

00:30:20:13 - 00:30:25:03
Speaker 1
Let's go. Let's kind. That's one. Speaking of jokes.

00:30:25:05 - 00:30:25:27
Speaker 2
So what?

00:30:25:28 - 00:30:27:28
Speaker 1
One day.

00:30:28:00 - 00:30:46:06
Speaker 2
One day, a guy. And this would happen every so often. A guy walks up and he goes, hey, what you did? And by the way, it was a 45 minute street show that was comedy. And juggling skills, right? And one guy comes up and goes, that was pretty good. That's pretty good. And I'm here. I know what I did, I know it was good.

00:30:46:08 - 00:31:07:00
Speaker 2
And, and but I, you know, like, oh thank you. That's very nice. He goes, but I saw a guy juggle and eat an apple a month ago, and I'm like, I was ten years old when I did that. This guy has no idea. And then you realize, okay, I work thousands of hours on all these skills, and the audience doesn't understand which is hard and which is not.

00:31:07:00 - 00:31:31:09
Speaker 2
So. So in my mind, it clicked. I go, it's all presentation. It's all what you show him. So I go, I've already done all these hours. I'm already at this level of juggling. I'm now going to work more on standup comedy and more on acting. So I moved up to LA that next at the end of that summer, and then I started, I'm going to get in the improv, I'm going to get in the Comedy Magic Club, I'm going to get in the Icehouse, I'm going to get in Magic Castle.

00:31:31:17 - 00:31:35:10
Speaker 2
And within to two years I was in all all four of those.

00:31:35:13 - 00:31:41:23
Speaker 1
Carol. And this is what a plan looks like. Okay, I don't know about you, but I have never had a plan.

00:31:41:23 - 00:31:56:21
Speaker 3
I know, I never I've never once in my life thought that I would sit down and talk to somebody so successful and be like my street juggling scheme and hats on, and I knew what I was going to do. I was really in the wrong biz when I was a kid.

00:31:56:28 - 00:32:15:09
Speaker 1
It's all it's so business. I heard that when I first started, 1978, they said, listen, the club owner came to all of us and said, if you don't learn business, you're not going to be successful. It's so, you know, and, Arsenio Hall was one of the first guys I saw. He had a, an attorney, lawyer, you know, business, and entertainment lawyer.

00:32:15:09 - 00:32:29:28
Speaker 1
Yeah. And I said, you don't even have a career. Why would you have an entertainment lawyer? Entertainment lawyers have entertainment clients. And then within, like, six months, he was at Carnegie Hall opening for Nancy Wilson, the jazz singer. Yeah. And I thought, wow. But he had a plan. And.

00:32:30:05 - 00:32:32:14
Speaker 2
He's a nice guy, too. I really like him a lot.

00:32:32:18 - 00:32:40:07
Speaker 1
And that's where I got the opening question from. Oh, no. Remember how you used to.

00:32:40:09 - 00:32:43:24
Speaker 2
I'm actually going to go with boxers. Okay.

00:32:44:01 - 00:32:54:28
Speaker 1
And the tree. Yes. I'm a willow tree with boxers. Yeah. Hammerhead, our electronic vacuum cleaner just took off. Oh, nice. By the way, we are in my kitchen.

00:32:55:01 - 00:32:55:23
Speaker 3
The Roomba.

00:32:55:25 - 00:32:59:23
Speaker 1
The Roomba. Anyway, I was back to support and stuff, so that.

00:32:59:23 - 00:33:00:23
Speaker 2
So when I said.

00:33:00:24 - 00:33:02:20
Speaker 3
You juggle a Roomba, I'm sorry.

00:33:02:23 - 00:33:14:18
Speaker 1
So I understand what you're saying, too, because when I got into magic. Yeah, I learned, I was doing close up, and I got really good at what they call finger flinging. I got really good at the card manipulation, which is what I was really.

00:33:14:18 - 00:33:15:03
Speaker 2
Hard to do.

00:33:15:05 - 00:33:33:20
Speaker 1
It was. So I went to my first, the New York Lounge, which was one of the more famous magic lounges in Chicago, and they gave me a night of like, audition. Yeah, to work. And they told me this. They go, you're taking too much time. You're taking too much time. What they really wanted was somebody who slap a card on her forehead, you know, without the person knowing.

00:33:33:21 - 00:33:50:19
Speaker 1
Oh, yeah, now where's your card? I can't find it. And it's stuck on your forehead. Yeah. And I really, like you said. Yeah. I mean, that's so juvenile, but you're right. It was all about presentation and getting to the to the point. And they don't know what skill looks like. They don't know how hard it is to do.

00:33:50:21 - 00:33:55:05
Speaker 1
Yes a double second deal. Yeah. So without getting detected all that stuff.

00:33:55:07 - 00:34:10:09
Speaker 3
So yeah it's so true in entertainment, simplicity is king even in standup like all have this premise. But I'm like, oh, this is going to be amazing. And I'm going to flesh this out and it's going to hit people. And then they're like, can you talk about the first time you went to waffle House again? That was really funny.

00:34:10:12 - 00:34:30:07
Speaker 1
Yeah, sure. Well, see, that was with with me with stand up back in the 90s. That's easy stuff for me to do is what I'm doing today. Talk about my wife, my marriage, my to my wife in the circle. And I didn't want to do that. I wanted to be relevant. And I was really into Dennis Miller back then, and I.

00:34:30:07 - 00:34:33:19
Speaker 1
And I wanted to be him. I wanted to be sharp, I wanted to be. And the problem.

00:34:33:19 - 00:34:34:09
Speaker 2
Was.

00:34:34:11 - 00:34:51:29
Speaker 1
But but the problem was all of my points of view were right of center right. And all the club audiences were not. I was getting booed and hissed and, you know, then I realized I kind of like this. Why do you want to go out and make the seals clap? Oh yeah, the choir. I got more fun just ticking.

00:34:51:29 - 00:35:02:03
Speaker 1
And then she finally came to me. Were starving. I thought, stop asking people what? Again, the voice of pragmatism comes from the wife.

00:35:02:03 - 00:35:03:06
Speaker 2
Yeah. No.

00:35:03:09 - 00:35:05:20
Speaker 1
Two. It comes easy. People want to hear it. You know.

00:35:05:22 - 00:35:17:10
Speaker 3
I think for me, when I have that, it's like it's pride. Like, I want to be like. I'm like, oh, I want to be like, revered. Like I had this point of view that so. And it's like, no, I just want to make people laugh.

00:35:17:10 - 00:35:22:18
Speaker 1
Well, that's it, that's it comes right down to it. I want to be a distraction for an hour. Yeah. So it.

00:35:22:18 - 00:35:23:23
Speaker 3
Takes so long to feel like a.

00:35:23:23 - 00:35:42:17
Speaker 2
True entertainer. And that's my goal to to bring happiness and to and, and, and to just take them on a journey. Like when I start my show, I'm like, get on board. We're going on a journey. That's why I heckler you can deal with them. It's funny, but to me, I'm already going somewhere. You just took the train.

00:35:42:17 - 00:35:43:21
Speaker 2
You made the train stop at a.

00:35:43:22 - 00:35:47:13
Speaker 3
The derailed the train. Yeah. And your dad still doesn't love you. Shut it.

00:35:47:13 - 00:35:48:27
Speaker 1
Down. Yeah.

00:35:49:00 - 00:35:50:08
Speaker 2
Right.

00:35:50:10 - 00:35:50:25
Speaker 1
So?

00:35:50:27 - 00:36:13:11
Speaker 2
So so back to why we're in it. So I kind of an entertainer. That's what I like to do. And and and I think I'm really good at it. And then. But I had a roommate in college who believed comedy. Not in college in, in LA, when we were working at clubs. He believed, comedy should be for social change.

00:36:13:13 - 00:36:37:09
Speaker 2
So he was always doing political stuff. And that's he believed that was the only comedy. Right. And then I have another friend who was a, Ivy League, very handsome political cartoonist for a living, big political cartoonist. And he did stand up, but it never political, just about more like Seinfeld style stuff. And you're like, well, why is he doing that?

00:36:37:09 - 00:36:56:12
Speaker 2
And I realized, oh, he's doing that to get women. That's what he's trying to do. He's trying to meet the ladies. Right. And and so in my brain, I'm like, okay, everybody has a different reason. So what? Back to what you said before that. People say, well, there's only this one kind. No, there's a million different lanes. It depends on why you're doing it and what.

00:36:56:15 - 00:37:19:06
Speaker 1
That's so important. Just in life in general. I mean, is why, you know, my father, in a conversation, we had and I mentioned, I think it was Ray Romano, we had worked together a number of times in New York, and then Ray got the show and Ray took off. Yeah. And I told my dad, I go check on the guy on TV.

00:37:19:06 - 00:37:38:00
Speaker 1
I said, I used to work with him all the time, and my dad says, that's the carrot, isn't it? And I go, what do you mean? He goes, why you do what you do? You all know somebody that broke through and got the brass ring because he goes, it baffles me why you do what you do. It's so difficult.

00:37:38:03 - 00:37:56:24
Speaker 1
My father, looking outside in at what I did and traveling and not being with your family and all of that would be it seemed to be a very high price to pay for what little reward I was getting at the time. You know, for me, it was I was able to put a roof over people's head. But that to me was never forgotten that because it it was the carrot.

00:37:56:24 - 00:38:31:07
Speaker 1
We all know somebody. And then all of a sudden ten years go by and you wonder, you know, in my case, I was like, Holy cow, 40. I moved to Nashville. I mean, that's done. That kind of success is over in my mind. But I just love the process of stand up comedy. And when I got into moving here, I remember as telling somebody was some corporate coach I was on the golf course with and I said if I could do my life over again and he goes, what would you do different?

00:38:31:07 - 00:38:51:24
Speaker 1
I said I'd find somebody to run my business. I'm a terrible businessman and hence I. And he goes, why can't you? I go, nobody wants a 38 and a 39 year old. Never have been comedian. If you had a career, they can at least look at something they can build. So, but my why was always just.

00:38:51:26 - 00:39:00:02
Speaker 1
If I'm funny, it'll work. You know, I just want to do. Because someone said, you get this all the time. What's your favorite joke? Mine is the newest one.

00:39:00:04 - 00:39:05:26
Speaker 2
Right? That's my favorite show. It's such a good feeling. It's such a good feeling when it works.

00:39:05:29 - 00:39:18:22
Speaker 1
Yeah. When I got to second, like you said, you know, you build this premise, you call this thing and you go out nothing. Yeah, I know really, if you want to start over again, maybe I didn't say it right. I know in my head this was so good.

00:39:18:29 - 00:39:20:17
Speaker 3
It was so great. The whole drive over.

00:39:20:18 - 00:39:20:29
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00:39:20:29 - 00:39:27:17
Speaker 3
The morning I got up and then these three people at this bowling alley aren't really digging it right? Yeah.

00:39:27:20 - 00:39:47:24
Speaker 2
One time in Brighton, after the Exxon Valdez oil spill. Yeah. Exxon Valdez was a. I have to explain to her. She's young. It's a big oil tanker that crashed in I don't in the latter part. And it had a big spread and the and the, and so I wrote this like four minute piece on it and I'm like, this is going to be great.

00:39:47:24 - 00:40:04:25
Speaker 2
And I do it like 3 or 4 times at the Improv in Hollywood. And I'm like, and it just would get like one little laugh to little laughs in the whole thing. I'm like, I know it's funny. What? So I'm going, I'm going to strip it down to just what's the most funny about it. And I just walk on stage, I go quick.

00:40:04:27 - 00:40:12:28
Speaker 2
It was one line, I go quick impression driver. The Exxon Valdez. Hey, how are you guys doing? I'm spilling my drink.

00:40:13:00 - 00:40:15:11
Speaker 1
I'm talking and it got applause. Yeah.

00:40:15:12 - 00:40:20:29
Speaker 2
So with from me thinking was going to be a huge thing to one line and applause every time. Like okay.

00:40:21:02 - 00:40:29:01
Speaker 3
So it's so true. Like female comic that I worked with a lot of times she'd be like, say the joke, show the joke. Stop trying to make it bigger than it is.

00:40:29:05 - 00:40:31:07
Speaker 2
Explain, explain it, show it.

00:40:31:09 - 00:40:33:10
Speaker 3
Explain me the show. You were the drunk guy.

00:40:33:18 - 00:40:36:28
Speaker 2
Oh, yeah. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Show it, I like that.

00:40:36:28 - 00:40:54:15
Speaker 3
Say it, show it. Which is why it took me forever to connect stand up in my Instagram success. And I'm like, oh, the Instagram success was I was showing the joke, I was saying it. And then that visual, they could see the visual of whatever I was talking, and it was like, that's why it just. Yeah, they couldn't understand.

00:40:54:15 - 00:40:59:29
Speaker 3
Especially because of my dyslexia. Like when I try to articulate things like right now, it's just not hold on.

00:40:59:29 - 00:41:03:29
Speaker 2
I've been in comedy a long time and I'm actually writing this note down.

00:41:04:01 - 00:41:04:23
Speaker 1
Shoot the joke.

00:41:04:23 - 00:41:08:00
Speaker 2
So to show the joke, that's really good. That's so simple.

00:41:08:06 - 00:41:08:26
Speaker 1
It's so it's.

00:41:08:26 - 00:41:09:28
Speaker 2
So simple, so.

00:41:09:28 - 00:41:12:06
Speaker 3
True. It's so true.

00:41:12:08 - 00:41:17:26
Speaker 1
Oh yeah. That's kind of yeah. You kind of come by that naturally if you work long enough, I guess.

00:41:18:03 - 00:41:29:00
Speaker 2
Yeah. Right. I don't even think of that. I don't think of it putting it into words. And then why not? And I've always been a really physical comic, and I'm getting a little bit less so, but,

00:41:29:03 - 00:41:30:27
Speaker 1
Well, you are older. Run.

00:41:30:29 - 00:41:39:12
Speaker 2
I don't feel all right. You know, you're old when you go to put on your sock, and it's all of a sudden hard. Like, I can't even get there. I just.

00:41:39:12 - 00:41:46:22
Speaker 1
Totally. Yes, I threw my chest out with something trying to get my sock right. Right. Yeah. It's like, oh, Lord.

00:41:46:24 - 00:42:00:18
Speaker 3
I haven't been, like, old yet. I'm coming up on 35. But yeah, I have been out of shape and skinny jeans with a little bit of lotion on your leg that like, oh, I was like, yeah, I got that good.

00:42:00:21 - 00:42:03:17
Speaker 1
I never yeah, I like lotion.

00:42:03:19 - 00:42:07:14
Speaker 2
Yeah. By the way, she said the joke and then she showed the ginger.

00:42:07:20 - 00:42:11:26
Speaker 1
I don't know if that was picked up on the camera. Deleted. We get that. Lee Harden our engineer over there.

00:42:11:29 - 00:42:12:25
Speaker 3
Harden everybody.

00:42:12:25 - 00:42:25:22
Speaker 2
Yeah I call him Lee Harvey. Yeah it go Oswald. Way to go. You know why we call him that. Because he's just he takes one shot of us.

00:42:25:25 - 00:42:27:10
Speaker 1
Then you showed it.

00:42:27:12 - 00:42:29:27
Speaker 2
You want to hear something crazy. You want to hear something crazy?

00:42:29:27 - 00:42:32:14
Speaker 1
He actually had more than one shot, didn't he? That were.

00:42:32:14 - 00:42:34:01
Speaker 2
Like. That was last night at the bar.

00:42:34:01 - 00:42:41:17
Speaker 1
Wasn't there one of those bullets where one of those bullets take a right, a sharp right turn? You know, some that way. Yeah. Anyway.

00:42:41:20 - 00:43:03:13
Speaker 2
Okay, so here's a crazy story. So I'm married, my wife, my wife's from Texas, and my mother in law, turns out my mother in law was supposed to be on the grassy knoll. She was in high school. She was supposed to be on the grassy knoll the day, but her friend's mother got her on. It was either the the library balcony or the courthouse balcony.

00:43:03:16 - 00:43:08:24
Speaker 2
So she was there, but so she was about 60 yards away and saw it.

00:43:08:26 - 00:43:11:05
Speaker 3
If she so much saw it, she doing okay.

00:43:11:07 - 00:43:33:11
Speaker 2
No longer with us. Oh. But, she, she, she always had the image of, of, his wife grabbing his head and pulling it back into itself. Right. And so she went home and she went back to high school that day, and she told her teacher, the president's been shot. The president. And the teacher goes, stop telling lies.

00:43:33:11 - 00:43:40:10
Speaker 2
Lunin, I want you to go down to the principal's office right now because news didn't travel very far, right? Oh, crazy.

00:43:40:15 - 00:43:43:04
Speaker 3
She didn't have a podcast or an audio.

00:43:43:04 - 00:43:45:04
Speaker 2
Now, the limo driver should have.

00:43:45:04 - 00:43:49:06
Speaker 1
A limo driver would be doing selfies with the president. I think.

00:43:49:09 - 00:43:50:12
Speaker 3
Ladies and gentlemen.

00:43:50:16 - 00:43:52:08
Speaker 1
Yeah. Look. Look what I got.

00:43:52:11 - 00:43:58:10
Speaker 2
My mother in law didn't like to talk about it much. Yeah, because to her, she just was, like, nervous about it.

00:43:58:10 - 00:44:16:16
Speaker 1
And I'll tell you, my mother cried for a week. It was a it was a heavy thing, you know. And when they moved 20 some years later from their house, my mother had all the newspapers still from that, the headlines from that assassination. Yeah. It, yeah. And now we're going to find out.

00:44:16:19 - 00:44:18:17
Speaker 3
I'm really excited for RFK to get back.

00:44:18:17 - 00:44:22:25
Speaker 1
I have to yeah, I would, I'm really sure. Oh, Oliver Stone will go.

00:44:22:26 - 00:44:29:17
Speaker 2
I told you, you guys called me a nut job. For years, I thought.

00:44:29:19 - 00:44:35:16
Speaker 1
Now I can die. I've been hanging on for the truth.

00:44:35:19 - 00:44:50:14
Speaker 2
That's what that's. It's so funny. That whole feeling of, is how I think about the story. I love the story of NOAA because NOAA builds this ark for over 100 years, gets no followers. He preaches.

00:44:50:16 - 00:44:51:10
Speaker 1
Nobody.

00:44:51:10 - 00:45:03:23
Speaker 2
Convert. It barely gets his own family on. Yeah. Then the storm happens. Everything happens, then they land. And then one night he's out drunk. I remember that, yeah. And I know he's going.

00:45:03:23 - 00:45:09:26
Unknown
I will not be to me at all. This is all right. Yeah.

00:45:09:28 - 00:45:13:24
Speaker 3
Let me the worse. If he was doing on my boat like, right. Like, how's.

00:45:13:24 - 00:45:17:13
Speaker 1
The water down there, Terry?

00:45:17:16 - 00:45:20:05
Speaker 2
Yeah. Oh, let me see if I can read you.

00:45:20:06 - 00:45:24:12
Speaker 1
Nope. It's too far. You were.

00:45:24:14 - 00:45:28:10
Speaker 2
Yeah. Oh, I think I'll just have some chicken.

00:45:28:12 - 00:45:38:26
Speaker 1
But those are, the visionaries. Yes. So anyway, we, we are under the. Why? You you wanted.

00:45:38:29 - 00:45:41:04
Speaker 2
I think I wanted to be honest, but money.

00:45:41:06 - 00:45:42:26
Speaker 1
Money was a driver for you.

00:45:42:28 - 00:45:46:12
Speaker 2
Money was a big driver. Also. I wanted to be good at something.

00:45:46:12 - 00:45:50:15
Speaker 3
Wait, you found money at stand up? Go on.

00:45:50:17 - 00:45:56:13
Speaker 2
I did, yeah, I did really well. I started investing though, at 20, 20, 21.

00:45:56:15 - 00:45:57:10
Speaker 1
Oh that's brilliant.

00:45:57:11 - 00:46:00:11
Speaker 2
So I was, by the.

00:46:00:19 - 00:46:10:22
Speaker 1
Rise, one of the handful of people I know, that have been at this for a while. Yes. What do you have? Like apart. You have apartment buildings, plural? Yeah. Real estate.

00:46:10:23 - 00:46:15:05
Speaker 3
Was it monopoly when you were a kid? Were you playing monopoly? And it just kind of stuck and you were like.

00:46:15:05 - 00:46:33:25
Speaker 2
I did play a lot of. So when I was. My father died when I was seven years old. And then it was chaos in our house for a while. But I got a stepfather at a 10 or 11, and when he came in and my parents got married, he bought, each of us ten shares of Westinghouse stock as a wedding gift.

00:46:33:28 - 00:46:45:08
Speaker 2
And then he taught me we didn't have computers. And so he taught me how to read the newspaper and see what the price of it was and what it was doing. So even at that age, I'm like, wait a minute, my money can make me money.

00:46:45:10 - 00:46:45:24
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:46:45:25 - 00:47:03:18
Speaker 2
Oh, so my goal is going to be to work and then put enough away so that my money's making money. And then so by the late 90s, my money was make I was making good money, but my money was making more money than the money I was making.

00:47:03:20 - 00:47:05:25
Speaker 1
And, and,

00:47:05:27 - 00:47:07:07
Speaker 2
Yeah, that was good.

00:47:07:10 - 00:47:11:01
Speaker 1
I had the belief that you throw up all the money. You.

00:47:11:01 - 00:47:11:16
Speaker 2
I throw up.

00:47:11:16 - 00:47:15:09
Speaker 1
All the time in the air. Whatever stays up there, you.

00:47:15:09 - 00:47:17:15
Speaker 2
Save, you say.

00:47:17:18 - 00:47:19:13
Speaker 1
Whatever hits the floor, you spend.

00:47:19:17 - 00:47:23:00
Speaker 2
That's why when I was married, I get a hair dryer, and.

00:47:23:03 - 00:47:29:09
Speaker 1
I just say something. Yeah, yeah. Everybody in my life, more golf clubs again? Yeah. How do you.

00:47:29:09 - 00:47:30:00
Speaker 2
Need more golf?

00:47:30:00 - 00:47:34:04
Speaker 1
That's kind of her. Every time I get a new driver. Oh, this is the one.

00:47:34:06 - 00:47:35:07
Speaker 2
This is. This one.

00:47:35:09 - 00:47:39:04
Speaker 1
Will be on tour next week. Shut up.

00:47:39:07 - 00:47:58:23
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. So I, you know, but look, it's. And also, once you're really doing it and you're doing it at a level that's really good, you're kind of like, oh, this is the best job in the world. Actually, I'm really fortunate, you know? And I'm thankful every time, you know, I get to go up and do another gig.

00:47:58:23 - 00:48:20:00
Speaker 2
And my wife during Covid, my wife goes, hey, honey, come here. I want you to watch this Jay Leno interview. And who is that? Oh my God, that comes from earlier in the day. Yeah. Guess tuning in from Uganda. When I was talking about Jay Leno and she acted like she didn't know, and she got me for a minute.

00:48:20:02 - 00:48:20:21
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00:48:20:24 - 00:48:43:13
Speaker 2
So, but Jay Jay was being interviewed, and they said to him, hey, you know, what do you think? I mean, you've made it to the top of comedy. What does that feel like to be at the top of comedy? And Jay just took the question a different round. He goes. I don't think you guys understand. This business is so hard that if you're in it in any capacity.

00:48:43:13 - 00:49:12:06
Speaker 2
And I think he was talking about even crew members, everything. If you're in this business in any capacity, for any length of time, you've really done something. He goes, I just happen to have a really good ride, but all these other guys are pretty amazing to do what they did. So I kind of always think that any of us that make it all the way through, even if you're not wealthy or did this or famous, but I when I run into comics I haven't seen in 20 years and I'm like, they're still doing it.

00:49:12:07 - 00:49:21:26
Speaker 2
Yeah, I actually get excited. I get it to me. I go, oh, I love you're still doing it because because we see guys drop away over time, you know, and it's a hard business.

00:49:21:29 - 00:49:24:01
Speaker 3
A lot of turnover high turnover. Yeah.

00:49:24:04 - 00:49:24:15
Speaker 2
Yeah.

00:49:24:22 - 00:49:26:21
Speaker 3
And there's some people that should turnover.

00:49:26:24 - 00:49:42:08
Speaker 1
Well it's interesting but it's interesting. I used to work with guys that would tell me my wife is leaving me and all of this, and I'd go, what were you when you got married? And you go, and what do you mean, I go? When you got married, what were you doing for a vacation? Well, I was a plumber.

00:49:42:08 - 00:50:00:20
Speaker 1
Well, she married a plumber. Now you're gone five, six days a week. She's raising two kids. So when Tammy and I got married, I was a comic. And it wasn't till 7 or 8 years later when everything started falling apart, where she said, you know, you think you know what you're signing on for, and, it's just a lot.

00:50:00:27 - 00:50:18:18
Speaker 1
200 days of travel a year. You're not home. You're not, you know, and whether we believe it or not, you know, my you know, you know, this, our self-esteem is and all that. So you think that somebody, somebody that's married to you would be happy you were gone 200 days? Why would anyone want to be married to me?

00:50:18:20 - 00:50:36:29
Speaker 1
You know? So. But it's when you put a family in the middle of all of that, it does become a different dynamic altogether. It takes two to make this career work. And, your wife is a testament to that.

00:50:36:29 - 00:50:37:25
Speaker 2
Yes. Very much.

00:50:37:25 - 00:50:52:23
Speaker 1
Certainly. Tammy is a testament to that. Yes. And I told her when when we hit after, I started going back in the clubs pretty regularly, I told my manager she will determine how much I work. And last year, a year.

00:50:52:24 - 00:50:54:08
Speaker 2
Ago, you worked four days last.

00:50:54:08 - 00:50:57:07
Speaker 1
Year? Yeah. That was good. Yeah. No big days.

00:50:57:08 - 00:50:59:07
Speaker 2
Big days.

00:50:59:09 - 00:50:59:24
Speaker 1
So you.

00:50:59:24 - 00:51:12:12
Speaker 2
Work hard. You really. You to me, are a model. Because, like, we've done comedy specials together. We've done big tours together where we were in the bus for two month.

00:51:12:13 - 00:51:17:03
Speaker 1
That was class. That's. We did the Apostles of Comedy. There were four of us.

00:51:17:05 - 00:51:19:17
Speaker 3
Oh, nice. This is close churches.

00:51:19:20 - 00:51:20:20
Speaker 2
Well, we theaters and.

00:51:20:20 - 00:51:22:05
Speaker 1
Theaters and churches.

00:51:22:07 - 00:51:25:22
Speaker 2
And 750 to 4000 seat average anywhere in that.

00:51:25:22 - 00:51:35:09
Speaker 1
And we, mega we were on a bus off. It's just I called her one night, I said this, this is as close as I've ever been to camp. Yeah. It was.

00:51:35:09 - 00:51:36:00
Speaker 3
Oh, I love that.

00:51:36:01 - 00:51:43:16
Speaker 2
We did 33 shows in 38 nights. Yeah. Oh, all over the country. Like, I think it was like 10,000 miles of of that bus ride.

00:51:43:17 - 00:51:51:10
Speaker 3
That last show was that like two part comic brain, just like so dialed in, like this material was just coming out.

00:51:51:14 - 00:51:58:05
Speaker 1
Well, what we came organic about it, that was cool. Was we kind of ripped off the,

00:51:58:08 - 00:51:58:27
Speaker 2
Blue collar.

00:51:58:27 - 00:52:14:21
Speaker 1
Collar where they sat on the stools at the end, and oh, I love that. Did like a Q and A or whatever. And I was used to doing my personal testimony at churches. That was something that was natural for me. I've been doing it for years. Where is Ron and and.

00:52:14:22 - 00:52:15:10
Speaker 2
Red.

00:52:15:12 - 00:52:40:00
Speaker 1
And Anthony? They never had they they were doing clubs, and Brad had worked churches but never really talked personal. And I'll never forget this when Brad, we're going to interview Brad at some point. If he'll forgive me, for all of the paint up cost. But anyway, he was he was talking about his parents divorce, and the the the way it affected him is.

00:52:40:00 - 00:52:54:26
Speaker 1
Oh, man, I remember that letter. That. And there was a kid in the front. Young kid in the front. Yeah. And Brad started going. If you're young here and your parents are getting a divorce, it's not your fault. And he kept repeating that it's not your.

00:52:54:29 - 00:52:56:09
Speaker 2
Fault made me grow.

00:52:56:12 - 00:53:11:19
Speaker 1
It did. And I looked at this kid in the front and he was sobbing. He just bent over and, you know, he was blaming himself for his kids divorce. And that's when I knew we had something special with with that show. It wasn't the kind of comedy was great. I mean, obviously we had 44 heads.

00:53:11:19 - 00:53:12:02
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah.

00:53:12:03 - 00:53:15:09
Speaker 1
All different. It was really a good thing. And then.

00:53:15:11 - 00:53:16:14
Speaker 2
That would you remember.

00:53:16:14 - 00:53:29:28
Speaker 1
At the end we got the magic going at the by the end of the tour, by the end of the 30 some days, I was out of it and it was just fun watching Anthony and Ryan and open up as man to the crowd. It was really good.

00:53:30:01 - 00:53:50:03
Speaker 2
So when we first had the idea. But, you know, his manager produced it. And so we need a theme guys, what are we going to talk about. So we had these phone calls where all four of us are on and we're throwing out ideas and grumpy grump face over here. I just got so ticked off like, you got so angry.

00:53:50:06 - 00:54:09:01
Speaker 2
I'm like, well, then throw in an idea and then throw in an idea. Oh man, it was bad. It was bad because we work on these ideas and you throw them out flush about I'm not doing that and you just go up. But what ended up because of his grumpiness, it got us to the point where we all said, hey, you know what?

00:54:09:02 - 00:54:36:05
Speaker 2
We don't need to say one thing. Why don't each one of us, we each get 3 to 5 minutes during a show? It can be any time you want and go into your story, right? And then you would sit and sometimes you'd be on stage with him and you're like, oh, here he goes. And some nights I mean, you might have an emotional breakdown on stage and to take a comedy show from up here where it's just been bam, bam, bam, and all of a sudden here we go, and you just watch it.

00:54:36:05 - 00:54:44:26
Speaker 2
And it's fascinating. And the stories are powerful. And, you know, you're impacting people out there because each one of our stories is going to hit a different group of people. Right.

00:54:44:28 - 00:55:09:09
Speaker 1
We're all completely different. Yes. And Anthony, I miss and, just a powerful story. Powerful story. Yeah. And, yeah, it was it was a good time. Again, it was one month out of our life, a month and a half, you know, but, it impacted me for life. These guys are friends for life. And, but again, on the bus, and Brad got me into Red bull.

00:55:09:09 - 00:55:22:08
Speaker 1
I had never trick. And after a couple of Red Bulls, explained Brad, Brad would just float across the stage. He was just looking at it. And I think you get all that energy from me, I don't know. And watch him chug these.

00:55:22:11 - 00:55:28:12
Speaker 2
Well, you and me and Brad are all ADHD at Anthony's the opposite. Anthony's very what.

00:55:28:12 - 00:55:37:14
Speaker 1
I didn't know about. Well anyway, we like to talk about Brad Stein, but, we'll have him on. But he's a world class magician. Yeah, I did not know that yet. Until, like, later.

00:55:37:16 - 00:55:43:10
Speaker 3
Yeah. So it was Brad Stein and Anthony Griffith. Griffith. Okay. Yeah. If anyone wants to look them up.

00:55:43:10 - 00:55:46:16
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, well, Brad will be here because he lives local, so.

00:55:46:16 - 00:56:13:14
Speaker 2
Yes, Anthony's back in California. Yeah, but Anthony has Ms. now. So Anthony's had he's had a interesting he's almost a basically legally blind at this point. And he has problems with his going down his arms. And yet he still just has such a positive attitude. And he loves the Lord. And, it's just really amazing. He's my daughter's godfather, and, he and his wife are quite amazing people.

00:56:13:14 - 00:56:17:08
Speaker 1
One of those people, when you get in a room with him, you feel peace.

00:56:17:10 - 00:56:19:05
Speaker 3
Just that, like, can just come in peace, right?

00:56:19:05 - 00:56:28:20
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. And, it certainly certainly makes your whining just, you know, I mean, yeah. Yeah, it's it's hard. I mean, yeah, I love.

00:56:28:20 - 00:56:29:01
Speaker 2
Him very.

00:56:29:01 - 00:56:35:21
Speaker 1
Much. I stubbed my toe, you know, and, know.

00:56:35:23 - 00:56:37:06
Speaker 3
I can't put my socks up.

00:56:37:07 - 00:56:39:15
Speaker 1
I know, I just threw my through my chest. Out. Yeah.

00:56:39:16 - 00:56:58:16
Speaker 2
What what why I brought up the tour was I would sit next to this guy on stage and watch some of his bits. So we're on stage together, and he's going down this bit and I go, man, it's so tight. It's so good. It's so amazing. So this, so that. And I go, well, that's because he's been doing it X amount of years.

00:56:58:16 - 00:57:30:14
Speaker 2
And all the guys on that group were that many years. What was really encouraging to me was then at 60, he's a great comic and he's killing it, but now he takes off and social media and you're like, oh, now he's coming into his own. But in his 60s you're like, oh, this is beautiful. This is actually so that's kind of been my, you know, current model as I'm heading up towards that age like, oh, okay, I'm going to be Jeff.

00:57:30:14 - 00:57:31:15
Speaker 2
That's what I'm going to be.

00:57:31:21 - 00:57:32:23
Speaker 3
Oh I love that. Yeah.

00:57:32:23 - 00:57:53:09
Speaker 1
Well it's funny, I looked at Ken Davis as my when my retirement age you can, can, sort of slowing down at 73 or 4. And then by 75 or 6, he just kind of just settled in. And I thought, well, it gives me 6 or 7 more years. Yeah. Hopefully the people will come out, you know, share, subscribe, whatever that is.

00:57:53:11 - 00:57:55:09
Speaker 1
To this and, but,

00:57:55:11 - 00:58:01:17
Speaker 3
Yeah, to your audience. Start taking care of yourself, guys, we got to get out to these shows for the next.

00:58:01:19 - 00:58:04:05
Speaker 2
This guy's fitness. This guy is a fitness.

00:58:04:05 - 00:58:07:11
Speaker 3
I'm not worried about him. I'm worried about his audience.

00:58:07:14 - 00:58:08:04
Speaker 1
Well, yeah.

00:58:08:08 - 00:58:11:05
Speaker 2
Yeah, but that's why it shows here, like 5:00.

00:58:11:07 - 00:58:32:17
Speaker 1
Oh, yeah, I walk out. Yeah. That's the that's the state I love the I get these young guys opening for me. They're in their 20s. They walk on and go, Holy cow. These are my grandparents, you know, at 4:00 on a Saturday. And I tell them and we get them home before the babysitter hits the liquor cabinet. She's partner first, rum and coke, and you're like, I thought you were at a comedy show.

00:58:32:20 - 00:58:38:06
Speaker 1
Jeff Allen's audience doesn't drive after dark.

00:58:38:09 - 00:58:45:26
Speaker 2
But that's beautiful. Like. So that's another thing to think about for this business. There's riches in the niches. Find your niche, find your group.

00:58:46:00 - 00:58:46:20
Speaker 1
Right.

00:58:46:22 - 00:58:51:05
Speaker 2
Gather your group. And and that's who you play to. And that's what you do.

00:58:51:05 - 00:58:54:13
Speaker 3
And I like that. Riches in the niches. You just just got to know.

00:58:54:13 - 00:58:56:12
Speaker 2
I've been saying it for a long time, but it is mine.

00:58:56:12 - 00:58:58:10
Speaker 1
Well, it's interesting with social. We got it from.

00:58:58:10 - 00:59:18:12
Speaker 2
My brother in law. Exactly. That's true. There is riches in the niches. So you focus on one thing to get your group. So when Jeff and I started in comedy, there were gatekeepers and you had to get those gatekeepers, and those gatekeepers were an exposure to the nation. The nation needs to know who you are now, this phone and this, the social media is the gatekeeper.

00:59:18:12 - 00:59:25:16
Speaker 2
I don't need the nation to know who I am. I just need half 1 million to 1 million people who think I'm the guy.

00:59:25:19 - 00:59:26:06
Speaker 1
For them.

00:59:26:07 - 00:59:44:19
Speaker 2
Because I speak about the things that connect to them. Yeah. And then, you know, and they'll gravitate to that. And so that's kind of the game now. And that's. So if I was to start again, you know, and if I was in my 20s, start writing, I would have written about myself more than to get my voice out sooner.

00:59:44:19 - 00:59:59:01
Speaker 2
I didn't believe I was enough as a kid. I didn't believe I was enough in my 20s. That's why my act was big. And I'll have a big thing here and I'll. Yeah, and I'm loud. It I'm loud because I'm deaf too, but I'm just everything was more aggressive.

00:59:59:01 - 01:00:01:12
Speaker 1
He hasn't really heard a word we said.

01:00:01:15 - 01:00:02:26
Speaker 3
Yeah. Who are you?

01:00:02:27 - 01:00:21:21
Speaker 2
You that I am, I am. If these are out of my ears, I'm 90% deaf in the left ear and 30% deaf in the right ear. So before I had the hearing aids, even now, still, if I get a heckler in the audience, I can't tell direction of sound because one ear doesn't get any. So your brain knows because right?

01:00:21:23 - 01:00:23:23
Speaker 2
Right.

01:00:23:25 - 01:00:28:01
Speaker 1
I know you're the guy over this guy. What's he over there? The guy over.

01:00:28:01 - 01:00:41:01
Speaker 2
There said it. So this is what I do. So I would he. I hear a heckle, and then I look to see a face that looks like it might have been that voice. Okay, so then I'm looking around.

01:00:41:01 - 01:00:42:15
Speaker 1
Sir, ma'am, I'm sorry, but.

01:00:42:16 - 01:01:03:19
Speaker 2
While I'm doing that, like, if you were to talk to me like I've had to stop you for your words several times today, even before we were taping going, what words did you say? Because my brain will hear about 75% of your words and it puts in the rest of the sentence. But sometimes I get the sentence entirely wrong, right?

01:01:03:25 - 01:01:08:25
Speaker 2
So I'll hear the wrong thing and think, you said this when you did it.

01:01:08:28 - 01:01:10:25
Speaker 1
So I read lips.

01:01:10:27 - 01:01:33:15
Speaker 2
Yes, I do read lips. Okay. Yeah. So yeah. Thank you. Covid heard in Florida. It was a nightmare. It was an unbelievable nightmare. But, Yeah. Masks. What a trashy. Oh, my gosh, Fauci, come here right now. I'll punch you in the nose. So, anyway, then I'm. Then I'm. So I have to figure out who it is.

01:01:33:15 - 01:01:43:28
Speaker 2
I have to figure out exactly what they said, and then I have to have a line ready to respond. So I'm doing three things before I can even respond to the heckler. Wow.

01:01:44:01 - 01:01:51:27
Speaker 3
This is the best heckle response you've ever had. And was to the right person.

01:01:52:00 - 01:02:34:16
Speaker 2
Had a lot. What a scary night. Laugh Factory in Hollywood Friday night. So Arsenio Hall, me and, Dane Cook Dane isn't popular yet. He he's he's a great comic, but he he's not worldwide known like he is now. And it's Friday night, and, Arsenio is doing okay, and they're a bit chatty. And then I get introduced and I come on stage and there's these three guys on the side of the stage like, oh, so I'm like, oh, they must know me, whatever.

01:02:34:18 - 01:02:46:15
Speaker 2
And I'm doing my act and I'm doing better than Arsenio. And, but, these three guys won't. They're drunk and they won't stop talk. They're not heckling me. They just are.

01:02:46:15 - 01:02:47:04
Speaker 1
Loud.

01:02:47:04 - 01:02:48:22
Speaker 3
That's that one table.

01:02:48:22 - 01:03:06:07
Speaker 2
Right? So I turn, I go, wow, looks like Supercuts had a three for one deal. And as soon as I say that, you know, when somebody stands up quick and you hear this, this chair fly back and forth. Yeah, it's that's what I hear. And the guy comes to the side of the stage. But he's not going to walk on to the stage.

01:03:06:11 - 01:03:31:11
Speaker 2
He's afraid to step on to the stage. And I'm like, oh, he's wants to fight. I don't want to fight, right? But I go up and I pick up a bottle off the front table like, okay, if he's coming, he's going to get this. And and I look over and his buddy that's sitting down looks at me and goes, bottles break, you know, and I'm like, who am I dealing with here?

01:03:31:13 - 01:03:32:14
Speaker 2
This is not good.

01:03:32:18 - 01:03:35:22
Speaker 1
Hear the music in the back right.

01:03:35:24 - 01:03:56:24
Speaker 2
So I go really late. I go really late. I just start going, hey guys, it's comedy. It's no big deal. Just goofing around. But this guy won't sit down, right? And they keep heckling and now they're cursing at me. They're saying curse words at me. And it's, I mean, heavy, nasty, and and I'm just trying to continue on and I go, hey, can we get Kenny in here?

01:03:57:01 - 01:04:01:28
Speaker 2
Kenny is an ex NFL lineman. Who's the bouncer? So. Yeah, well, I sees.

01:04:01:29 - 01:04:07:10
Speaker 1
Tape in South Park right now. He's not available.

01:04:07:13 - 01:04:33:01
Speaker 2
I see Kenny's head come in the room and then leaves the room. Right. And I'm like, oh, so I'm on my own. Who are these people? And I start noticing the tattoos across the neck and I go, oh, they're gangbangers. Yeah. And, so I've got plans in my head of how if he comes on, he's going to get the bottle.

01:04:33:01 - 01:04:50:27
Speaker 2
I'm going to run through the crowd where it's really narrow. You can't really get through. I'll go out the back door, run up around to Greenblatt's. The the deli next door, run down their stairs behind the counter, grab the phone and call the cops because nobody's got my back here. Yeah, Dane Cook is so nervous. He's curled up in a ball because he thinks he's going to throw up.

01:04:50:27 - 01:05:14:14
Speaker 2
He doesn't want to throw up. He's that scared. No joke. Yeah. And so anyway, they're cursing at me with these words. And I thought me playing soft isn't working. They're getting more aggressive. So I'm now going to go at them verbally. So I turn I said excuse me, did you call me up. Well, that means I did this.

01:05:14:17 - 01:05:36:13
Speaker 2
And if I'm the other, that's the opposite. I can't say these words on stage. It was really vile. But I threw those words back at him and said, that's a double negative. I can't work either I'm straight or I'm not straight. But what you called me is, and he looks at us and the whole audience explodes. Oh my gosh, you could see.

01:05:36:13 - 01:05:37:28
Speaker 1
The the deer in the headlights.

01:05:38:04 - 01:05:53:19
Speaker 2
It just it's exactly like John Deere and that. Yes. And then I throw another one back and another one back. And then the manager had the guts. He's a big Hawaiian guy. He had the guts to come over and ask him to leave. And as they're walking out, there's a step down and the guys really drunk. He misses it.

01:05:53:20 - 01:06:18:24
Speaker 2
He falls on the ground like. Like I'm like, he was wobble that they don't fall down. And the guy stands up and goes, you beep beep beep. That's disrespect. Got your eye on you. And I'm like, oh no. So they leave right. And then I just look at the eyes and go, did anyone have my back here? And these three three African American ladies in the front row we had you honey, look at our nails.

01:06:18:24 - 01:06:37:09
Speaker 2
They're long. I go, thank goodness somebody because I was really, really. Wow. I waited an hour and a half after they left. Before I left, I had them pull my car up. I got in the car and I took multiple turns to make sure no car was following me. And then, that's a home. And I had the guts.

01:06:37:09 - 01:06:39:29
Speaker 2
Come back next night and do a set. Come on.

01:06:40:02 - 01:06:40:19
Speaker 1
Wow.

01:06:40:20 - 01:06:47:23
Speaker 3
I love how you put an exit strategy. You're like, I dealt with a homeless guy on a harmonica. I know my way out of this. Oh, yeah?

01:06:47:26 - 01:06:59:23
Speaker 1
Right. Yeah. I've been here before. Yeah. Yeah. I got really good at slamming hecklers. So good that my act couldn't follow it. Right, and I quit doing it.

01:06:59:25 - 01:07:01:25
Speaker 3
That's all of social media now I quit.

01:07:01:29 - 01:07:24:09
Speaker 1
Yeah, I know, it's so funny, but I got, I mean, and I was vicious. I mean, I can't repeat some of the things I said, but, I just got I learned from Cosby. I was at, Atlantic City doing the trap, and I got a chance finally, to go see Bill Cosby. Grew up listening to hero, and, he's talking to some guy in the front.

01:07:24:09 - 01:07:45:04
Speaker 1
Earl? Yeah. How are you doing, Earl? I mean, where are you from? Arkansas, Mr. Cosby? My my my my my my mom. You know? And, Anyway, Cosby sits down, starts doing his show. And in the middle of the first story, he stops. He goes, Earl, tell me you didn't bring a paper sack lunch to my show. And Earl holds up this paper.

01:07:45:07 - 01:07:52:02
Speaker 1
He goes pistachios. They keep me regular. Mr. Cosby. And this is what I learn.

01:07:52:02 - 01:07:52:18
Speaker 2
You're at the.

01:07:52:18 - 01:08:15:19
Speaker 1
Show. I'm at the show in the back, and the crowd's laughing. And Cosby looks down and he goes, Earl, you can't be eating out of a paper sack while I'm working. And, he goes, okay, Mr. Cosby. And he says he's Earl starts to talk again, and Bill goes, Earl, I'm going to work alone now. And Earl sit down.

01:08:15:19 - 01:08:32:14
Speaker 1
He goes, okay, Mr. Cosby. And from then on, that's how I dealt with hecklers. Oh yeah. Yeah, I would guy would be interrupt and whatever. And I go, what's your name? Bob. And I talk to him just like regular conversation. You're married, you got kids, you those around. And then I go, you know, Bob, I'm gonna work alone.

01:08:32:14 - 01:08:47:14
Speaker 1
Now, this team thing you and I are doing, not getting a lot of laughs. That's been. That was it. And I only had to do it once a show maybe, you know. And now because the audience I don't get heckled. I got heckled in Las Vegas.

01:08:47:14 - 01:08:50:21
Speaker 2
It's bad when you get heckled in a church. I got one.

01:08:50:24 - 01:08:58:19
Speaker 1
But I was doing shock. I was to a church just for you. Heard that joke before? Yeah, I was doing churches for years and I got to say.

01:08:58:21 - 01:08:59:25
Speaker 2
That was a deacon.

01:08:59:27 - 01:09:11:13
Speaker 1
And I go to Vegas and some guy starts heckling me and I said, you got to give me a minute, man. My chops are off. Yeah, thank God it's been a while since. I mean, I like I said, you know, you're a church. You're not getting getting that. Yeah.

01:09:11:15 - 01:09:11:29
Speaker 2
The Lord.

01:09:11:29 - 01:09:13:19
Speaker 1
Ain't you?

01:09:13:22 - 01:09:36:08
Speaker 2
Apostles on apostles of comedy. The four of us would be on stage at the end, and we would all bag on each other quite a bit. It was really fun. We would all make fun of each other, and then one show, somebody in the audience then jumps in and heckles Brad. Why don't you remember that? And we and we, we jumped up so quick to defend Brad.

01:09:36:10 - 01:09:36:28
Speaker 2
We were at the.

01:09:36:28 - 01:09:38:11
Speaker 1
Front of the stage, remember?

01:09:38:12 - 01:09:46:08
Speaker 2
I'm yelling at this lady. I go, we can make fun of each other. You can't make fun of her. What? You shut your yap. You know, it's a church show.

01:09:46:08 - 01:09:47:11
Speaker 1
You know.

01:09:47:13 - 01:09:50:11
Speaker 2
The. We're in a theater. We're in a theater? Yeah. You're not in Tennessee. Year.

01:09:50:11 - 01:10:07:02
Speaker 1
Two years ago, Tammy's mother called me a nasty name, and I heard Tammy say, I can call him that. You can't? Yeah. And again, you're sitting there as a man going, you know, you're a woman standing up for you. But bottom line, I'm still that.

01:10:07:05 - 01:10:09:26
Speaker 1
In the end, that's what I am, you know? Yeah.

01:10:09:28 - 01:10:19:10
Speaker 2
So yeah, I think having kids, really prepares you for hecklers because they'll say stuff to you like, yeah, they have no field. They don't care.

01:10:19:12 - 01:10:19:21
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:10:19:22 - 01:10:21:16
Speaker 2
No, they'll call you out.

01:10:21:18 - 01:10:27:21
Speaker 1
No. And then it also humbles you, you know, because they you're.

01:10:27:23 - 01:10:37:04
Speaker 2
For you, you know, they might humble for me. It puts a layer of shame over me. Like, oh I'm not. If my kids don't like.

01:10:37:06 - 01:10:39:05
Speaker 3
Oh, what happens with shame.

01:10:39:08 - 01:10:41:21
Speaker 2
Shames no fun. She's shames their friend.

01:10:41:27 - 01:10:42:26
Speaker 1
No shame.

01:10:42:28 - 01:10:45:01
Speaker 3
Shame comes from the devil.

01:10:45:03 - 01:10:46:05
Speaker 2
It does. Right?

01:10:46:05 - 01:10:47:14
Speaker 3
Yeah, right. John.

01:10:47:15 - 01:11:00:10
Speaker 1
Brad said guilt says I did something wrong. Shame says there's something wrong with me. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Big difference. Yes. And people who are against guilt, I wouldn't want to be around them very much.

01:11:00:12 - 01:11:01:28
Speaker 3
Yeah. They should be ashamed of themselves. They should.

01:11:01:28 - 01:11:14:10
Speaker 1
Be ashamed. Absolutely. Shame. Yeah. I think we should bring back that whole gallows in the public square so people can walk by and, you know, that would be.

01:11:14:15 - 01:11:15:09
Speaker 2
Yeah.

01:11:15:11 - 01:11:16:12
Speaker 1
Forget jail. How about.

01:11:16:12 - 01:11:16:21
Speaker 2
Every.

01:11:16:21 - 01:11:24:26
Speaker 1
Not every for a month at noon. You're confined to just sitting in this public square in the shackles. One of the while your friends and neighbors shame you.

01:11:25:00 - 01:11:28:08
Speaker 3
We'll call it Facebook jail. Yeah.

01:11:28:10 - 01:11:29:02
Speaker 1
That's exactly.

01:11:29:05 - 01:11:40:15
Speaker 2
How about. How about tomatoes or our old vegetables at our shows? And when that. Would that be a crazy show? If you like. We brought back the old.

01:11:40:15 - 01:11:41:19
Speaker 1
School tomato and.

01:11:41:19 - 01:11:53:03
Speaker 2
We throw and we create like a variety show and then put in some bad acts. So maybe not tomatoes because those might actually hurt, but like, old cabbage that's soft enough that when it hits, it'll happen. Wow.

01:11:53:05 - 01:12:00:14
Speaker 3
These days people would be like, I don't know, is it non-GMO? Because I don't want to get hit with anything that's not organic.

01:12:00:16 - 01:12:11:03
Speaker 2
Hey, I'll tell you what. After the will slip, will Smith slap? Like, did it make you think differently when you're on stage like, oh, somebody might come up and take a swing?

01:12:11:05 - 01:12:31:10
Speaker 1
I don't do that kind of stuff though. Yeah. So it's interesting. I, I again, I don't know, I'll talk to you about because we haven't gotten in the process, but, the, the process of putting things together, I have certain boundaries. And I realized at some point it made me better at what I do as a storyteller.

01:12:31:16 - 01:13:00:14
Speaker 1
I had to work within the parameters there, self-imposed, because the culture, there are no parameters, right? You know, and then that cancel culture came in and put, put unrealistic boundaries and people very arbitrary. They decided who and what, was, you know, and that's something that maybe for another, another day. But, the internet, because people come out, they see what you do on the internet and you do it in a club.

01:13:00:16 - 01:13:22:17
Speaker 1
If you go to a comedy show today and you're blindsided by what somebody does on stage, it's on you because everybody has content online. So if you're going to go see somebody, you don't know who they are, but let's go see a comedy show and you just wander in without going on the internet and looking at what they do or, you know, now, I've heard from Drybar people.

01:13:22:20 - 01:13:24:09
Speaker 3
Oh yeah, they get in some conundrum.

01:13:24:14 - 01:13:42:24
Speaker 1
They because the guy does the drybar show, they think he's clean, and then they get to the club and he's not so clean. And I've heard that for more than one person in my audience. Right. Oh, you were clean the whole show. I go, well, yeah. Who is it? Wow. He went to see so-and-so and. Right. We liked what they did on the drybar, but we didn't know they were in the club.

01:13:42:24 - 01:13:54:06
Speaker 1
They were completely different. So, I, you know, I, you and I and kind of we're we're believers, right? Bible believing people. There are certain parameters that we impose upon herself.

01:13:54:12 - 01:13:55:03
Speaker 2
Very much so.

01:13:55:09 - 01:13:56:18
Speaker 1
And, but it's much.

01:13:56:18 - 01:13:58:18
Speaker 2
Harder to be a clean comic than it is. Well, I've.

01:13:58:18 - 01:14:03:09
Speaker 1
Had people call me out for not being nice, and, they go, you know, well, that's true.

01:14:03:11 - 01:14:04:09
Speaker 2
That's right.

01:14:04:11 - 01:14:09:28
Speaker 1
But I go, well, I know what he turned those tables over on the money changers. Yeah. Probably wasn't people you whitewash.

01:14:09:29 - 01:14:15:15
Speaker 2
They were hecklers. You whitewashed Sepulchers, right? They think that's what he called brood of vipers. Yeah, Vipers.

01:14:15:19 - 01:14:17:19
Speaker 1
Vipers. You know, and,

01:14:17:21 - 01:14:19:29
Speaker 2
He called them names. They all called them back.

01:14:19:29 - 01:14:29:09
Speaker 1
But do you have have you had things that you put together, Carolyn, that you go, God, this is funny, but it just doesn't fit within my faith.

01:14:29:11 - 01:14:30:06
Speaker 3
Every day because.

01:14:30:06 - 01:14:32:28
Speaker 1
The devil goes all day. Yeah.

01:14:33:03 - 01:14:42:29
Speaker 3
All day long. I'm like, oh my gosh, that's so funny. But I mean, sometimes the devil really gets me because my husband is also a comic and I'm like, I thought of this promise. It's really funny. And he's not as clean as like that.

01:14:43:03 - 01:14:43:24
Speaker 1
Yeah.

01:14:43:26 - 01:15:04:26
Speaker 3
But I really struggle with it more, not so much on stage because I feel like, you know, there's lights and there's a stage and you're professing things into a microphone. So I'm really try to be really conscious of not being a stumbling block for other people. But in my day to day life, like my dark humor, I say like it just falls out of my mouth and then or things I think are funny and then they're not.

01:15:04:26 - 01:15:13:18
Speaker 3
And it's like constant repentance and forgiveness because whatever is in here, it has so much more, purification to be had.

01:15:13:19 - 01:15:32:19
Speaker 2
Okay. So Scripture says, let no unclean thing come out of your mouth, right? And what's in your heart will come out of your mouth. How does that apply to us? And because we're pushing the boundaries on a lot of things, what we're Christian, so we're within boundaries. But even Christians will have problems with us, right?

01:15:32:22 - 01:15:34:22
Speaker 3
Because they'll oh, every day we were talking about that.

01:15:34:22 - 01:15:55:13
Speaker 1
Well, we were talking about even just work in clubs. Yeah. I've, I've had, you know, how could you be in a, in a nightclub and I go, you eat at Fridays, they sell alcohol. You know, I mean, I don't understand the argument. And maybe you can point something. I mean, if you've, if you've had it. But that's the issue I got half my audience are church people.

01:15:55:15 - 01:16:12:27
Speaker 1
And a lot of those won't go to see me at the improv because it's a nightclub supposedly, even though they have great food. And then I have another audience that are secularized, and they're not going to come to a church to see me. Right. So I kind of stuck with this. How do you how do you get the two together and go?

01:16:12:27 - 01:16:19:29
Speaker 1
Just go. I look, it's just comedy. We're doing a night of entertainment. Church. Church can be entertainment as well.

01:16:20:00 - 01:16:43:12
Speaker 2
So this comes back to the why? Why are we in it? So I've always felt like, my what I'm drawn to do, what I feel called to do is help change the culture. When Jeff and I started in comedy, a third of the acts were clean, a third were in the middle, and a third were dirty. Right?

01:16:43:14 - 01:16:45:20
Speaker 3
I don't know how to math, but.

01:16:45:23 - 01:17:04:06
Speaker 2
The third, the third or third, there's three. That's a whole. But but back then, to get on The Tonight Show, you had to be a clean act or you weren't going to get on. Right. So a lot of acts would work clean since then. 90s, that's all busted up now. Only maybe 5% of us are clean. Now, I would say.

01:17:04:06 - 01:17:05:04
Speaker 2
Would you guess that?

01:17:05:04 - 01:17:12:08
Speaker 3
Clean female. Impossible. That's why I got so much work, right? Women are like, how do you get so much work? I'm like, be clean. Yeah. It's super easy.

01:17:12:08 - 01:17:12:27
Speaker 2
Yes. Yeah.

01:17:12:27 - 01:17:26:03
Speaker 1
Well, again, as a storyteller, I'm telling you, any young comic watching this that if you tell stories, both the both of them. Yeah, they're both in. You're young, you're young and young to me is 50 and under.

01:17:26:06 - 01:17:29:06
Speaker 3
It might touch my demographics. Yeah. But our demographics about this.

01:17:29:06 - 01:17:38:22
Speaker 1
But if you tell stories, get a thesaurus out and learn to tell those stories using the language. It'll make you better at what you do. You'll never.

01:17:38:22 - 01:17:40:17
Speaker 2
I get the Urban Dictionary out, and.

01:17:40:17 - 01:17:41:29
Speaker 1
It makes my.

01:17:42:01 - 01:17:43:15
Speaker 2
My stories much more relevant.

01:17:43:15 - 01:17:53:17
Speaker 1
But speaking of that, we were we are. We were going to have. I wanted to do a segment on this called The Word of the the Urban Word of the day, because our granddaughter was singing a word. Get, get. What was.

01:17:53:17 - 01:17:58:21
Speaker 3
It? Goit. Okay, I don't think you can say get any, get.

01:17:58:23 - 01:17:59:05
Speaker 1
Get.

01:17:59:11 - 01:18:00:12
Speaker 2
Get get.

01:18:00:16 - 01:18:03:18
Speaker 1
Which means shake your booty, shake you. You're your rear end.

01:18:03:20 - 01:18:05:19
Speaker 2
Don't means get out of here. Yeah.

01:18:05:19 - 01:18:25:10
Speaker 1
So she was saying but she was in the car singing it. And Tammy, her grandmother says, what does that word mean? And she goes, she's ten. I don't know, Mimi. Well, you might want to know what it is, you know, because my, my thing with my sons were always not, you know, words have meaning. So if someone's going to punch you in the face, at least know why you know.

01:18:25:10 - 01:18:42:07
Speaker 1
So if you say something, know what the word means. Yeah. So anyway, she looks it up on the phone and it means shake your, you know, your backside. And she was Lydia, you can't be singing that. She goes, oh, I don't know, Mimi. You know, I mean, so I thought how many kids out there because of the culture are singing all these.

01:18:42:08 - 01:18:46:11
Speaker 1
They, they have no idea what they mean. Yeah. And then, you know, that could be offending.

01:18:46:13 - 01:18:49:20
Speaker 3
I don't my teenage son is always explaining things to me.

01:18:49:26 - 01:19:14:19
Speaker 2
So back to the why, right. Yeah. So if I'm going to if I'm going to be out, I'm trying to influence the culture, but also I'm going to touch other, comedians and things. If if all the Christians just stay in the Christian world and do stuff to our own little camp, who are we really touching? You know, you're not necessarily reaching out across the boundaries.

01:19:14:25 - 01:19:25:28
Speaker 2
So I felt like I'm one of those reach out across the boundary kind of guys. And, and do that. And there's nothing against guys that are strictly within the church. I have no problem with that.

01:19:25:29 - 01:19:27:24
Speaker 1
Well, Richardson and exactly.

01:19:27:24 - 01:19:53:20
Speaker 2
And there's different lanes for all of us, and we're all called to different things. So I don't really put that judgment. But I do feel if I was to write a bunch of dirty stuff, I do have a guilt on it. Like, definitely I don't I don't, want to want to be that guy. I've always had a boundary, but I just think, my boundary might be less narrow than other people's boundaries.

01:19:53:20 - 01:19:54:01
Speaker 2
Right?

01:19:54:01 - 01:20:16:15
Speaker 3
So, yeah, I talked to my priest about it, Father John. And about what you were saying about, like, being in nightclubs and, like, being in all these areas. And he his was brilliant. He was like, do you ever use a flashlight in the daytime? And I'm like, no. And he's like a flashlight. It's not meant to be used in the daytime, so you need to light up the darkness.

01:20:16:18 - 01:20:17:26
Speaker 3
That's what a flashlight is for.

01:20:18:02 - 01:20:41:27
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's kind of what I remember. I think it was Matt Berry, the writer. He was a, seminary student. He was a stand up comic, went to seminary, and, Roseanne called him to come that because there was from Denver comics. Yeah, to go to California to write for her show. And he went to his pastor and same conversation, called to do this.

01:20:41:29 - 01:20:57:22
Speaker 1
Yeah. And he said, you're called to be salt and you're called to be light. And is there a darker place than Hollywood? So go there. And if it doesn't work out, seminary will be here for you. And, he's done very well, wrote in some amazing shows from, Yeah, he's done.

01:20:57:22 - 01:20:58:04
Speaker 2
Real well.

01:20:58:09 - 01:21:06:01
Speaker 1
Yeah. And the last one was Reba and then Last Man Standing and Matt. It's a beautiful spirit. He he opened for me in Denver.

01:21:06:08 - 01:21:06:18
Speaker 2
So that's.

01:21:06:18 - 01:21:27:03
Speaker 1
Great, I went back. I say it's been years since he did stand. It's just a great place to be where he won it for him. I don't need the work. I don't need the money, I need anything. Yeah. This is just pure joy. Yeah, just pure joy. So to watch a guy from that perspective mindset. Yeah, that it's just I'm having a blast, you know.

01:21:27:03 - 01:21:38:25
Speaker 1
And that's kind of what my goal is. Now I just want as long as I love and enjoy what I do. Then I think that will come through.

01:21:38:28 - 01:21:44:19
Speaker 2
Well, if the audience loved it, enjoyed it as much as you, you would be very successful right now.

01:21:44:19 - 01:21:47:07
Speaker 1
Yeah, well, I'm.

01:21:47:09 - 01:21:48:02
Speaker 2
I had to get one.

01:21:48:02 - 01:21:56:25
Speaker 1
Dig in. I know, man, you guys, last night when you were all over me, I thought if I was an Uber driver, you'd be kicked out.

01:21:56:27 - 01:22:00:04
Speaker 3
Okay, Ron, where can people find you?

01:22:00:06 - 01:22:07:09
Speaker 2
Ron Pearson, comedian, in Ron Pearson comedy. That's that's the place to go. Look, social media. That's the place to be.

01:22:07:15 - 01:22:08:12
Speaker 1
Jugglers are us.

01:22:08:12 - 01:22:10:05
Speaker 2
Yes, yes. Yeah.

01:22:10:08 - 01:22:13:11
Speaker 3
On the streets of Venice and San Diego and Portland.

01:22:13:16 - 01:22:17:01
Speaker 2
Thankfully, it's been a long time since I've done a street.

01:22:17:03 - 01:22:17:29
Speaker 1
But,

01:22:18:01 - 01:22:22:09
Speaker 3
That might be fun to just kind of dip back in. So not in California these days.

01:22:22:10 - 01:22:44:28
Speaker 2
A few years back, I thought, I think I might try and do a reality show, and my idea was most guys that hit middle age have a crisis so they, you know, get, new young woman in a sports car. You know, me, I decided to see if I could make it around the world with $80. And I leave my house in LA with $80 and try and street for fun.

01:22:44:28 - 01:22:50:16
Speaker 2
Oh, wow. Around the around the world that would. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the story would be.

01:22:50:19 - 01:22:52:04
Speaker 1
If I was ambitious, I'd produce.

01:22:52:04 - 01:22:52:23
Speaker 2
That. Yes.

01:22:52:23 - 01:22:54:25
Speaker 1
Yeah, I'm just not.

01:22:54:28 - 01:22:56:11
Speaker 3
That sounds so dangerous.

01:22:56:11 - 01:22:59:11
Speaker 2
It does. That's the excitement of it. Right? Yeah.

01:22:59:11 - 01:23:04:15
Speaker 1
So you start in L.A., wish what you need. When you got to New York to hit Europe, the airfare.

01:23:04:18 - 01:23:06:26
Speaker 2
I might go the other direction. I might do it the other day.

01:23:06:27 - 01:23:08:20
Speaker 1
Start in New York and hit no.

01:23:08:22 - 01:23:26:02
Speaker 2
LA and get down and see if I can talk my way onto a cruise ship to work for nothing and get myself, like out to Hawaii or whatever in a, and then find a way to get to Japan. Yeah. And then, you know, I speak Russian, so maybe I this is years back. I go into Russia maybe oh.

01:23:26:02 - 01:23:29:28
Speaker 1
My gosh, we're going to get shut down. I didn't know we had a commie.

01:23:30:00 - 01:23:32:20
Speaker 2
The the lost the deal. Or do you know how to show a.

01:23:32:22 - 01:23:37:01
Speaker 1
Jewish guy you go to Eastern Orthodox? So you, Yeah, you're in a lot, a lot of babushkas.

01:23:37:02 - 01:23:40:15
Speaker 3
I think some babushkas, some New Yorkers.

01:23:40:17 - 01:23:53:10
Speaker 1
So anyway, where's your, this, the cellar? Obviously, it's not live, so, we don't want to give dates. But next year, 20, 20, 25, you are, you are busy, busy, busy.

01:23:53:10 - 01:23:53:23
Speaker 2
Should be.

01:23:53:23 - 01:24:02:15
Speaker 1
Real good. Should be. Okay. So, go to your social, go to the socials. Very funny guy. And, this is episode one.

01:24:02:17 - 01:24:03:28
Speaker 3
And we'll see you next week.

01:24:03:28 - 01:24:08:03
Speaker 1
Next week? Yeah, yeah. Gosh. From my living room.

01:24:08:05 - 01:24:09:03
Speaker 2
Thanks for having me guys.

01:24:09:04 - 01:24:13:06
Speaker 1
Thank you ma'am. God bless you.