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I reenact Facebook Marketplace selling nightmares. So people send me their conversations and I reenact it. I was giving away a free palette on Facebook Marketplace. A free palette? A wood palette. I know and I we had just won the prices, right? But that's another story. So they brought an item we won, wood palette. I put it on the curb, and this lady responded, and she's like, How heavy is it? And I'm like, Oh, I don't know. It's free. It's on the side of the, it's in the front. She's like, why is there green paint on it? And I said, I don't know. She goes, Can I use it for a garden? I said, Well, you can use it for anything. It's free, it's on the curb. Can I use it for a shed? Anyways, I show the conversation to my wife, and because I do sketch comedy, I have wigs for you know characters. And she goes, You need to go create a TikTok account and film that. Play the woman, reenact it. I created it. I owe it all to Kelsey, my wife, posted it, went to bed, woke up and had 1.5 million views. And I went, Wow. I guess I'm doing this now. And then just kept doing it. It went from zero to like 800,000 followers, just very.
SPEAKER_03Who gave me a podcast? This is Jeff Allen. Welcome to my podcast.
SPEAKER_01Hi, everybody. Welcome to Who Gave Jeff Allen a podcast with me, Carolyn Xavier. Today we have a really special guest that is one of the most funny people I've ever met, and Jeff is gonna tell you all about him.
SPEAKER_06Great.
SPEAKER_03Ah, Chris Guerra. Thank you. We just spent 20 minutes on his name. He's an alumni of the Groundlings main company, the legendary Los Angeles comedy theater that launched the career of Will Farrell, Phil Hartman, and Will Forte, where he was also one of the artistic directors. There he wrote and performed original sketch comedy, helping shape the creative voice of the institution. He's appeared on Modern Family, one of my favorite shows. Started a national commercial campaign. We'll talk about because uh we're looking for sponsors.
SPEAKER_09Great.
SPEAKER_03So if you did a good job, you might have some sway. And performed on Broadway in company with Neil Patrick Harris, uh Doogie Hauser himself. Yes. He also toured the country in the first Broadway national tour of Sister Act with an additional regional credits, including this is the one I love, Spamalon. Oh, it's the best. I took my boys to see we'll talk about that. Avenue Q Frozen Live at the Hyperton. Hyperton, Hyperton, and many more. Now based in Franklin, Tennessee, he's co-founded Oddly Improv. That's right, in a clean comedy theater at the Franklin Theater. Franklin Theater. So if you live locally, you'll know what the Franklin Theater is. A completely restored, beautiful uh venue. And uh he's uh got a residency there. So I don't know what this is. There's a lot there's a lot there at Marketplace. Oh, your Facebook Marketplay Nightmares has drawn nearly 800,000 followers uh and won a 2025 Telly Award for Best Comedy Series. Uh that is so cool, which is why I love doing this podcast. I get a chance now I'm gonna go home and look up Facebook Marketplace. Please watch so you'll have 800,000 and one. One. Great. Uh and uh welcome, Mr. Hey, thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_02This is Gera.
SPEAKER_03So we were talking about her wife cannot roll her R, so she could never learn Spanish.
SPEAKER_01In Southern, it's Gera.
SPEAKER_08Gera. I had a CVS lady once tell me, I was picking up a prescription, and she goes, Do you know your what your last name means? It means war. And I went, Oh, thank you. I know. She goes, You should really roll the R, though. Really? It just sounds better if you roll the R. And I'm like, Well, we say Gera in our friend. She goes, Well, you should roll the R.
SPEAKER_03Well, it sounds more European. And everybody knows that America wants to be Europe.
SPEAKER_08We're trying with our skinny jeans and basically everything else. Yeah, yeah, basically everything else. Yeah. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01You and I share a commonality. We accidentally got famous on social media.
SPEAKER_05Social media around the same time, kind of. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Almost identical timing. And then we met. I don't even remember how we met, but I remember having the weirdest experience. You messaged me out of the middle of nowhere. And you were like, hey, I'm going to this really killer Holocaust movie. You wanna you wanna go?
SPEAKER_06Wait, that's not true. Oh, wait, no, it was. Yeah. Oh my gosh. You but I got invited to a premiere, and I just thought you didn't tell me that it was a Holocaust movie.
SPEAKER_01He was like, I'm going to know what it was.
SPEAKER_02I didn't know what it was.
SPEAKER_01They need big name Christian creators to help sharing. I didn't know what it was.
SPEAKER_05John Bach actually invited me to that. John Bach invited so that he's like, Can you bring some influencers?
SPEAKER_08I'm like, great, I'll bring you. And I didn't know what it was.
SPEAKER_01And then we walk in. And it's like, I'm like, why are there all these photographers here? And then they they said that uh, oh, it's gonna be in Getty Images. So there's a picture of you and I in Getty Images with like this, the saddest Holocaust poster that ever. And he was like, We're gonna have so much fun. We're gonna get popcorn. We're gonna laugh it off. Oh, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_03I didn't know what we were watching. Yeah, sometimes it helps to do the little research. Just even a little. We were in line at the uh at the um uh Mel Gibson um Passion and uh Tammy, my wife leans over. She goes, What goes good with the crucifixion? Is it goobers? Is it the popcorn? And it's funny, I heard a pastor say when Jesus stopped on the uh the head of the serpent, uh the pastor goes, I almost dropped my popcorn. It was so cool, I almost dropped my popcorn.
SPEAKER_01You know, in that moment. Getting accidentally famous on the internet. Yes, how did it happen?
SPEAKER_08So I was giving a so I re-enact Facebook Marketplace selling nightmares. So people send me their conversations and I reenact it. I was giving away a free palette on Facebook Marketplace. A free palette. A wood palette. I know, and I we had just won the prices, right? But that's another story. So they brought an item we won, wood palette. I put it on the curb, and this lady responded, and she's like, How heavy is it? And I'm like, Oh, I don't know. It's free. It's on the side of the, it's in the front. She's like, Why is there green paint on it? And I said, I don't know. She goes, Can I use it for a garden? I said, Well, you can use it for anything. It's free, it's on the curb. Can I use it for a shed? Anyways, I show the conversation to my wife, and because I do sketch comedy, I have wigs for you know characters. And she goes, You need to go create a TikTok account and film that. Play the woman, reenact it. I created it, I owe it all to Kelsey, my wife. Posted it, went to bed, woke up and had 1.5 million views, and I went, Wow. I guess I'm doing this now. And then just kept doing it. It went from zero to like 800,000 followers just very quickly.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_08And just people sent me their conversations, so I don't have to be creative.
SPEAKER_02I just have to be able to do that.
SPEAKER_03Well, that's kind of like the Foxworthy thing with the um uh you might be a redneck gif. Um yeah. People were just sending them stuff, you know. Great. That's when you when you can create something that because if I if the internet taught me anything, the American people are really creative. Yeah, they really are. There's some funny people out there. Yeah, it's great. One of my favorite memes, and I do this in my show, uh, it's anonymous, so I don't know who wrote it, was lock your wife and your dog in the trunk of your car, come back an hour later, open it up, and see who's glad to see you. I don't know who wrote it, but I'll tell you what, that's one of my favorite things. And I go, Yeah, that's my buddy boy. Come out in the house, you can help Danny find the Lord.
SPEAKER_01Another thing that we really share in common super closely is we both fled California like crazies during COVID. So they know my story. It's boring. What's your story?
SPEAKER_08My story is we bought in 2020. We were like, this is gonna be our home now. Officially, we were renting perfect. We bought in Burbank. And we were like, this is our dream place. It was a huge house, it was 1,200 square feet in Burbank for a million. I don't even know how much, it was just crazy. Yeah. And we thought, this is it. The pandemic will end, things will get better. It didn't, of course. What'd you move out of? Uh well, we were in a rental, like in North Hollywood. In a house?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Oh, so 1200 was so we went from 1200 to 1200. Okay.
SPEAKER_03So you didn't go from a studio. No, no.
SPEAKER_08Yes. Although we we didn't have fireworks any every night uh in Burbank. We had them in North Hollywood, which was terrifying. Um But yeah, so we Is that what we call gunfire? No. I think well we we just, you know, I like to say fireworks. It made the kids happy. I'm like, ooh, fireworks again.
SPEAKER_03We need to move. Kids can't go to bed without those are the lights. That's your ambient noise. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08They loved it. They're sweet. They love it. And um, so yeah, we bought and then things got crazy, and then you know, pandemic hit. You that happened.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Um, yeah.
SPEAKER_01I was there. You were there for that? Were you there for that? Were you all over there for that? I think so. Scourge.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. And then uh it was interesting how thinking that that would be our forever home, we immediately became disconnected from it and went, we don't how do we how do we not love this anymore? We visited Franklin, Tennessee randomly because we filmed some of a we did an improvised comedy and we filmed some B-roll in Franklin, never thinking we would move here. And then some friends, uh, one of my friends got kicked off uh Broadway because she was unvaccinated, it was a whole thing. I reached out to her. I was going through a similar thing at the Groundlings Theater, uh, didn't get vaccinated, and uh it just became very dark quickly, and it was amazing how many friends we lost within a moment. If they're really friends, who knows?
SPEAKER_03And so that's has has anybody reached out and one person's apologized. And said, Hey man, I I really had it wrong. One one.
SPEAKER_08And I I have to kind of let that go because I think that they're just still they're just still blind about it. I mean, it's unfortunately. And then I you have to feel sorry for them because man, I had a lot of people living in fear. They were panicked. And rather than getting mad, I eventually switched it and went. I should feel sorry for them.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_08Like I have peace. I had peace during it, and they didn't. That's horrible. They didn't have peace for three or four years.
SPEAKER_03Well, this was so interesting because living here, and I lived in the middle of nowhere, you know, Tennessee. Yeah. We we got our first traffic like, I don't know, ten years ago, eight years ago. You know, it's growing now. Right, it's great. There you go.
SPEAKER_09So anyway, I'm golfing.
SPEAKER_03I'm golfing five days a week, you know. I'm I'm living my life. My grandkids were a quarter mile away. We were seeing them every, you know, every other day. And yeah. We were just living our life. And then uh our governor here just said it's up to the mayors of the towns. Yeah, you didn't shut down long, did you? No, no, no, Nashville, Davison County, it was uh pretty intense. But uh frankly, full three days in Davison County. How was it? How was the three days? It was because it was. It was awful. The scourge, it just you know a lot of looting in those three days.
SPEAKER_04Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_08Of our own.
SPEAKER_01You don't understand. The tractor supplies, that's where they hit first. Where they hit first.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. It's funny, I call I call the signs uh on the lawns of the uh, you know, hate has no home here above all of those. I call them the uh the Progressive Passover.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, good.
SPEAKER_03I think the mob will just pass by versus with the blood on. They got the sign. And that's why, you know, that's why I think of the French Revolution when they were guillotining all the but we were on your time. We don't care, we're just chopping heads off.
SPEAKER_01So the groundlings, I mean, to get into the groundlings and have a love, a deep, deep love that you do for improv, it must have been like, this is the 15-year-old you, this is my dream. Like I've made it.
SPEAKER_08I mean, we I trained for seven years there. I mean, you're on a weightless, it's very cutthroat. By the time you make it through beginner, intermediate advanced, by the way, the best training in the world, I would have to say hands down. I think if if you're an actor, you should take an improv class first. Don't go straight into acting. You need to get loose and comfortable just being on a stage and being comfortable with whatever you say, uh justify it. Don't panic. So, but the groundlings was amazing. We would when we hit Sunday companies where you write sketches for a year and a half, you perform weekly, you have to memorize 13 to 15 sketches a week, and you don't stop. And every six months they vote you back in, or you're done. And so I just kept passing and eventually got to main company. And it definitely was to walk in that room and see uh Phil Hartman, Pee-wee Herman created his character there. I mean, everyone you can think of on this wall, it was very surreal of oh my gosh, like I I did it. Whatever that is, um and it was funny, a lot of people, a lot of people in the company when I joined, they're like, I was so excited to create comedy, but the first thing a lot of people, a lot of them said was, and this isn't bashing them, but it may sound like I'm bashing them, um, you're gonna make a lot of money. That was my first, and I was like, Oh, I uh great. I I just so excited to do comedy though. Like this is gonna be great. And a lot of it was like, your life's gonna change now.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_08And it was really, it was really a strange dynamic because I went from I can't wait to keep training into now you're done and set. And I actually wanted to continue training. But at the groundlings, it was like once you're in, you're there at the top. And I went, This isn't all right. I need to keep training. I need to feel bad about everything I do and get better at it.
SPEAKER_01I need to be back in the van.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's funny you say that. I've I've said forever if I've peaked, yeah, that's dangerous as a stand-up, then I should quit. You know, they always ask, What's your favorite joke? I go, the newest one. The newest one. Yeah. And the one I'm working on, you know. Um, and uh I tried improv for a heartbeat. We had uh, I don't know if you know Steve and Leo, um uh they they were around LA for a while, but anyway, they were they would they were the only two guys doing improv in Chicago when I was doing 20 seconds video? No, they were uh I I'm just talking about it. Oh, okay, okay, okay. And uh they had an improv one night, and uh I said something um really extremely blasphemous. I mean back in the 80s, America had a s a core sense that you don't blaspheme the creator. Yeah now it's all changed. No, it's fine. Now I would now I would be right in the stream. Now it would land. Yeah, it would land right. There were gasps. That was my so from then on, and you know this as an improv person, you cannot think. Oh, you feel it, yeah. Before you know this is appropriate by then they're on, there's they're on to something else. Yes. So anyway, I just got away from it. I I I said to people, I can't do that. I just can't do that. It's risky. There's been a part of me that has always wanted to do that. And I just never, you know, the fear got into me because of that one moment. Yeah. Uh that heartbeat. Um You should come to the class. I was just thinking.
SPEAKER_08We do them at the Franklin Theater. Yeah. We do these kind of one-day workshops. It's clean comedy, but we we tell people it's smart comedy. Well, that's what it is. It's really what it is. Exactly. Well, and when someone wants to drop the F-bomb, we go, well, hang on, what is your what do you what are you really trying to say? They're like, well, I'm I'm mad at that, I'm pissed at that. At what? Well, then speak. Say those things. Because then that gives information to your scene partner. So it's been interesting to see people that are kind of foul, they'll come in and take classes and they're like, this is kind of better.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Like this clean comedy or smart, whatever you want to call it, Seinfeld World, you know. You have to be clever.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you have to really expand on whatever you're trying to portray.
SPEAKER_08Well, and we initially said it was clean-ish comedy, because I came from LA and I'm like, I don't want to offend anyone.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_08And then I went, Oh, I'm so over that. Clean ish is a good name. Yeah, well, you you're clean-ish, that's your thing, right? But then I just leaned in hard because I I'd have people call, you know, the theater and be like, well, what's the ish part? I'm bringing up my son is my son is 43.
SPEAKER_02What's the ish part?
SPEAKER_04We're trying to protect him.
SPEAKER_08So we just went clean. I like your ish, though. The ish works.
SPEAKER_01What's the ish? Yeah. I had to have the ish because some people that I would book, it was like well, what's the ish? Yeah, the ish could be, I mean, you're like, I can do whatever I want if there's ish. That's interesting.
SPEAKER_03I should use it as politic free-ish. Free-ish, yeah. Free-ish. Because every now and then if something pops into my head, I'll see you. I'll spit it out.
SPEAKER_08I'm left-ish and right-ish, you know.
SPEAKER_01I just I'm just ish. I'm just middle, middle-ish.
SPEAKER_08That'd be a great teacher.
SPEAKER_03Hyphenate-ish. I love politics-ish. Yeah. Kind of sort of. Kind of sort of. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I is I lost a lot of friends and a lot of family over not the disease, but like not wanting to get vaccinated. So I know how painful that is. But working so hard in the comedy space, like what was your living in the van before the groundlings popped off? Like, what were your jobs before that in entertainment? Because we've all had those.
SPEAKER_08Well, I started in theater mainly. I actually I got a BFA in musical theater. That pays well. Paid really well. I went out of college. I'm like, all right, it's time to be a server.
SPEAKER_02Here we go.
SPEAKER_08So I when I when we we lived in New York for seven years, came back uh to LA to have kids. We didn't want to have kids in New York. Not there's anything wrong with that, but you saw LA.
SPEAKER_01It was a stuff.
SPEAKER_05LAUTHER LA's a little safer to have kids.
SPEAKER_08Let's move to North Hollywood.
SPEAKER_03I was I was living in LA when I met my wife, and she had a two-year-old. And her first comment then when we got engaged was, I'm not raising my son anywhere near Los Angeles. And it wasn't our son yet. So anyway, I said, I can move. You don't have to twist my arms. So we moved to Boston. Oh, well, that's safer. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08And the winters will keep everyone alive. No, we saw literally parents struggling with strollers on the metro and like sweating. And we're like, oh, that looks like parenting's even more difficult out here.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_08But all our family was in California. And so I just did uh theater and commercial work and uh, you know, was just trying to be the act an actor kind of thing. And my agent was like, if you take groundless classes, you'll then you'll get more commercial auditions. That was the only reason I took a class. And I had never done um comedy.
SPEAKER_03When you go in to do a commercial, uh, how much of um freedom do they give you as a groundling member to to ad lib or or it's always interesting to me though that when you read the the the text written by a non-creator? Great writers. Non-creative. Yes, non-creator-ish. Yeah, right. We can cut this, right? Yes. Anyway, so did they give you freedom to go, hey, you know, maybe if we did this and play with it, or did they say, did the directors at least go? It was interesting. I went on a read in New York, and it's very funny. I did a Burger King routine about and somebody saw it, and they were casting a Burger King commercial, so they go, hey, why don't you come in and read for this? And it was cluck for the international chicken, cluck and dialect. I can't do dialect anyway, let alone cluck like a chicken, like a French chicken or an Italian chicken. And anyway, I kept lifting this rubber beak up and going, I feel like an a-hole. I really do. And the guy's laughing. He's going, What would it help if I told you to pay the over 100 grand? I go, No, it doesn't help me at all. It doesn't help me at all. No, no. So anyway, I my question is with the training, yeah. Um, uh a read like that, you probably would have had fun with that.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, and you feel more comfortable when they say, Hey, can you do it again, but you know, be a little bit more bitter or be a little bit more giddy. That's improv 101. Do that, do the scene again, and they throw emotions at you, they throw characters, all that stuff. Okay. So the moment I took improv, uh definitely I I noticed a huge change in booking more for commercials.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_08Because you're just free, you go whatever. It's just when they say do it again and make it your own, what a ta what a horrible thing when you hear that. Make it your own.
SPEAKER_03Well, that's it, it does make me panic.
SPEAKER_08You do because you go, Well, what is my own? What is so I actually started to make a list of what do people laugh at Chris daily? And I, you know, I'll joke fall and do certain things, and I started to like make a list of those things. Like, oh, people just laugh at that. So I started to create characters and sketches around just things I already do that people laugh at. And I started to pull that into auditions too. So when they said make it your own, I'm like, well, I'm pretty good at being angry and entitled characters, so just things I did. So then I would do a read, a little bit.
SPEAKER_01You do like a great LA agent, like that kind of angry entitled. Hit us with some of that.
SPEAKER_08Oh, well, just I mean, I played a director guy a lot. You know, he's a kind of a mix of several directors that, you know, and you look nice, a lot of shoulder today, and it's very condescending, but like nice, and uh, you know, I love tattoos. I have a lot of friends that I don't speak to anybody that have tattoos. You know, very just You're like, is he nice or rude?
SPEAKER_04And so I started to leave. By the time you're figuring that out, he's already insulted you for it and it's gone.
SPEAKER_03I think he was awful in this residual thing hanging around.
SPEAKER_08Oh, I had a director that would literally be like, Hey, good to see you, and they would do like a shoulder scratch, like, you know, good to see you.
SPEAKER_03And you're like, Ew, you hate me. Have you ever had one of these? I had I I for whatever reason, I hit 50. I I decided I'd go to New York and take acting classes.
SPEAKER_05Great.
SPEAKER_03So anyway, uh uh I signed up for I I saw uh Mike Nichols name was attached to it. He was nowhere near the place. Um but anyway, the the instructor, and it was an odd class, like if you were a tr beatrice, you know, that kind of stuff. And it's so anyway, the the instructor to me, if I ever do a movie and I need this is a great character, she was one of these you could just feel the seething rage underneath the new age, you know, the breath breathing and stuff. And she would do politics to start the class about the local news. Someday maybe we'll live in a fair and equitable society and everything. And I just said to one of the classmates, I go, I would love to be there when she finally just snaps.
SPEAKER_08That's that's too that's the sketch that you're right, where this is the day she cracks.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and the hair is all of a sudden the hair just isn't imperfect anymore.
SPEAKER_08It's one person raising their hand and goes, I think it's one person that just raised her hand at the sketch, they go, I think you're wrong. That would have been it.
SPEAKER_03That would have been it.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. I I I constantly am uh character watching because I'm always creating characters and thinking of sketches. I it's it sounds creepy, but just people watching, just wherever you are. If I hear someone at the checkout line at Costco that goes, you know, my son used to work here. You know, things like that. I'm like, who is that character? I love those weird moments. Like, well, you you just have to tell people your son used to work at Costco. And that's a big deal for them, right? And so it's just, I don't know, I'm always people watching.
SPEAKER_01And they always do like the three warehouse 96. Yeah. And you're like, what?
SPEAKER_05Overalls, steep order. Box mover.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_05You're like, oh, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.
SPEAKER_01He's good, just like his mom.
SPEAKER_05He's good.
SPEAKER_01Good thoughts.
SPEAKER_05Yes, God rest your soul. You're like, oh my gosh, so much information.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I just wrote a line that I said I always looked for the oldest cashier at the grocery store. Oh, because all they want to do is get to the next cigarette break. They're gonna ring you out of the fake. That's from watching the the older that's great. They don't want to break it. It's so relatable though. Right.
SPEAKER_08Because we we don't even talk about that. Like, I we all have a moment where we're choosing the cashier.
SPEAKER_00We do.
SPEAKER_08If they're all open, you go.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_08You know, if you see one person that's like this, you're like, I'm not going there.
SPEAKER_03Well, the young the young ones, they want to chat you up. Yeah. Oh, I have these. These are wonderful. Yeah, they are. Yep. It's like this is gonna take a while. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's the young ones my age, the ones that are like early 20s, I no eye contact, that just I'm like, how are you doing today?
SPEAKER_08I know, and they're like, who? I love the people that are out of breath. And they're like, Yeah, yeah, I'm open. You're like, great, I'm gonna go there because you're gonna get me out.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, exactly. I used to want people watching New York, I used to love that. Um I was telling Carolyn today that um my whole life revolved around the the Holland Tunnel and the Lincoln Tunnel, trying to figure the traffic out. And you know, if I had a seven o'clock show and it was a 45-minute drive, I'd leave three hours before the show and sometimes barely make it, and other times just breeze right through. So I would eat slices of pizza and I would sit and on a bench and just watch people and try to figure out where they're going. Are they married? And if they got and I do that flying into Nashville at night. Uh the other night I flew in from Philly. And as I fly over the houses, I think somebody just finished making love. Somebody just got paddles on their heart because they're dying of a heart attack. I mean, I don't know. It's it I don't know when is this TV show coming out? I don't know.
SPEAKER_09You fly and we we what's Jeff pointing out? Right.
SPEAKER_03And the yeah, the camera zooms down to a house, you know.
SPEAKER_08And they're like, it's true.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I don't, isn't it? Is that odd?
SPEAKER_08I mean, but no, I listened to I mean, you're in the comedy world.
SPEAKER_03Validate my whole life for you, yes.
SPEAKER_08You're doing great, by the way. All the career, all the things, the show, the shoes, the great, the black socks with the white shoes. I don't know. But everything else. No, I'm kidding. Right.
SPEAKER_03And by the way, do not email us and tell us how many times I've interrupted Chris already, because I know, all right?
SPEAKER_08I I'm just gonna yes and though, right? We just yes in. Um I'm constantly people watching for sketch. I've never done stand-up, but like the sketch world, I'm always thinking of what kind of character is that. I'm sure you did it with stand-up world, it's just that's relatable. That's weird. I'm gonna write that down. Do you have like a journal or a do you do it on your phone?
SPEAKER_03I'm doing it, yeah. I'm doing what I'm writing down now, is interesting. What I'm journaling now is um all the lies that I tell myself about myself that are negative, and then I try to counter it with a scripture. Oh, great. So I I write the lie, you know, and then uh uh and then I'll look up a scripture that will counter it. Like you're fearfully, beautifully, wonderfully made. I've known you since I did you in the womb. That's right. You're not the piece of trash you think you are. Yeah, that's not that's the Psalms, right? Did this just take a turn? Did this just take a turn? No, it's anyway. I used to journal all the time. When I first got into recovery, um, I I journaled all the time. And it's so funny going back and reading that. You know, I have two pages of I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate. I just wrote I hate, I hate I hate, I hate two whole pages of I hate, you know. And I thought, gee, if my kids ever wandering it was dark. This part of like my are these jokes?
SPEAKER_01Well, this certainly Bible scriptures within the thing. These are killer sketches. These are so good.
SPEAKER_08I just heard recently, uh, I feel foolish to not say I didn't know who Mel Robbins is, but she I guess she's a huge, huge person, and she has a whole book on a thing called Let Them, which is just a theory of whatever whenever you hear something negative or someone says something bad about you, just let them.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_08And I don't know why it's so simple, but I Well, I agree with that.
SPEAKER_03It's uh I had a book on my nightstand called What You Think of Me is None of My Business. I never read the book. That's I just looked at the book. See the title alone. Especially in our business, because people have opinions. Yes. And the internet allows them, you've given them permission uh to reach out the comments and tell you what they think. You know. My my response is pretty much always the same. You must be a joy around the holidays.
SPEAKER_08We all have our own comment. When someone says, like, uh you're not funny, I say, Thank you for the view.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I just go, you know what, dad? I'll see you next weekend.
SPEAKER_08Thanks, Dad.
SPEAKER_01Thanks, Dad. No, my dad thinks I'm funny. I'm kidding.
SPEAKER_08But just even those people that feel like they have to let you know. Yeah. Are they really thinking like I need to tell them?
SPEAKER_01Okay, but on the other side, have you ever got yourself typing out like you've been that person, like you catch a reel? I'll catch a reel and I'll be like, well, actually, here we go. That is not how that is seen in the church, sir. And I'm like, what am I doing? I'm like, Carolyn the confessor.
SPEAKER_08Like, I show it to my wife, and she's like, Are you writing that because you're angry or you want to help? I'm like, all right, let me delete it.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I always write out what I want to say. Matter of fact, uh uh, I just went through with my youngest son, and uh I went to my pastor for some counseling because it was driving me insane. He goes, Write out what you want to say, and then tear it up.
SPEAKER_08Oh, that's smart, though.
SPEAKER_03So everyone out everything I want to say.
SPEAKER_08First instinct when you're angry, right? Probably the worst. That's not the best.
SPEAKER_01You know what though, in like terms of life struggles, like we were talking about the lies the devil tells us or comments. I have never seen you sad. In fact, sometimes I've called you and my life was falling apart, and you were like, Oh, this is what's going on over here, and your life was falling apart too. And you were still chipper, and I would get off the phone, like, must be nice to be all happy.
SPEAKER_08And then I even crying. Like, look, these are trash. I'm gonna leave a comment. I'm gonna leave a comment on his wall.
SPEAKER_01I would be like devastated. So how do you because I mean, you have had since just since moving here, you've had some beautiful, joyous wins and some real hard struggles.
SPEAKER_08I moving here was the hardest year of my entire life. I mean, I my kid got autism. Like, we've been dealing with that.
SPEAKER_01It's been Vegas and got it off the plate. Got it. He caught it.
SPEAKER_03In my generation, it was he turned gay. He turned gay. What happened to Bob? I haven't seen him around. He turned gay. Like somebody's in Miami now.
SPEAKER_05I like that they disappear when that happens too.
SPEAKER_03Even if I didn't see never understood that one.
SPEAKER_08Well, my kid turned on to some. No, but that happened, and then uh uh kind of a I know how he transitioned.
SPEAKER_02He's in my interview. You know what?
SPEAKER_08Let's just say he turned gay, just to make this easier. So uh just I feel more comfortable. No. Um that happened. Uh we had a lot of sickness, we had a lot of uh hate from moving here. Hate uh Yeah, a lot of stuff. The the the the unfortunately the Groundlings wasn't unhappy that I was starting an improv school. And they were like, be you know, be very careful.
SPEAKER_03Are they the owner of improv?
SPEAKER_08Yes.
SPEAKER_03Okay. And I have talked about this. Uh there was um Bicklin. Uh Biklin was suing everybody. Um because he he put together an order of of poses. Yeah. Obviously, he didn't create the poses, he just put them in an order. Now I'm gonna get sued because he's well we'll get sued together. This is Leafline.
SPEAKER_08But anyway, like now, how do you claim you can, and I I just felt like the fact that I'm getting attacked so much, I really had to go. The enemy doesn't want me here. Clearly. I mean, everything went wrong where we went, should we move back? You know, and we and we move back to the hateful people. I know, and you know when you it's like that. It's like an abusive relationship. Abusive relationship.
SPEAKER_03We're like, well, maybe you're identified with your well, maybe they've changed.
SPEAKER_01I think he's gonna love me this time.
SPEAKER_06If I try really hard to do it.
SPEAKER_01If I'm exactly what he needs, hear me out, Kelsey. If I lose 25 pounds, and just go back to the colour.
SPEAKER_08Just here, just here. So we but we hit that kind of wall of, and it was funny, we were at we were at a friend's house, and this lady hopped on uh Zoom because she couldn't make it, and she was saying hi to everyone, and she stopped on us and she goes, I don't know who you guys are. This was really random, but it'll make sense. I feel like you need to sell your home. I don't even know if you own a home, but I feel like I need to tell you this. You need to go all in. You have one foot in LA, you have one foot in Tennessee, and it we hit we hit this moment of all right, that's meant to be. It's amazing, just like one random person at a party that they were on Zoom. It's hard to explain, but and it made us go, we need to go all in. And that that changed everything. And it was the worst year, though. It was literally a horrible year moving here. We got threatened, people tried to sue us, just all this. We were launching a film on the on Blaze TV, and we were on the Glenn Beck show, which killed which they let us know, like, hey, if you come on the show, people are gonna hate you, and we're like, who cares? But it it was nice to kind of finally put it all out there and go, this is actually who I am. When you live in the industry, you're constantly trying to. I I'm a people pleaser. That's why I always seem joyous. I'm really, I don't talk politics, I just try to keep the peace. But I have been pushed to a point now in a corner where people are like, tell me what you believe.
SPEAKER_07And I'm like, I guess we're gonna lay it all out.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I had a friend in acting class that um was a singer, and he went on the Huckabee show, and I read the comments from his friends. Yeah, they're great. How dare you, how dare you? I mean, and all of that, and I called him and I said, I don't get that. I mean, I really don't. I mean, if I go on, if I went on, you know, I had a lady reach out to me, um, uh uh, commented. She said, I heard you on XM Radio, thought you were very funny, went to your website, didn't know you were a right-wing freak. And I wrote her back, I said, I normally don't comment on any of these, but yours intrigued me. I said, one, I didn't know I was a right-wing freak either, but thanks for pointing that out. And second of all, those people that you call freaks hired me to do what you heard on XM radio. And I did. They were kind, they were gracious, and the check cleared. I would do the same for left-wing freaks, but they never seemed to ask. Yeah. You know, never heard that from her. But that that to me is so interesting to me because he's an artist. And his response was you'd think I wrote I I sang a progressive song on the Huckabee show. Yeah. You'd think you'd want a point, our point of view clearer. Great. And again, they were nothing but kind and they were gracious. You know, there wasn't any hate coming from you know that side of the aisle, you know, to to Gov. You know, how dare you put a progressive artist on your show? It was like, hey, the song was good, you know. And uh I think we're all getting so tired of it. I am I'm I'm way past the side.
SPEAKER_01Well, now it feels like it's swinging the other way too much. Yeah. Like I'm watching a lot of uh right-leaning social media respond act out in the same way.
SPEAKER_08It's finally our time. Yeah, now I could say what I really feel. Well, hang on, that's not loving.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_08I'm feeling that too now, though. That's why I hate either. Yeah, but you got six billion people. So it's fine. You're right.
SPEAKER_03So, you know, but as the person, as a person that came from Alcoholics Anonymous, I tell people all the time, I'm the reason it's an anonymous program. The first seven years of my sobriety, nobody would have looked at me and said, I want some of that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So you keep your mouth shut at the level of press, radio, and films, but that's cat's long gone. So you got six billion individuals, technically speaking, for a group, which is nonsense.
SPEAKER_09Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I I don't look at a uh a shooter and collectively throw the whole group into a pile of this lunatic. And I expect the same courtesy for me, but I'm I you're naive if you think so. So as a Christian, I was told when I became a believer be careful because the world is watching and judging you. And that is true. Now that one, I if I shed bad light on Christ, uh, I was really hesitant to come out and say, I'm a Christian. But then you read the verses, I'm not ashamed of the gospel, I'm not ashamed of the gospel. So I became very openly Christian. Yes. And also in the next breath, going, I'm a work in progress. Don't don't hold Christ. You represent all Christians. Well, that's the point. I don't want, you know, and then the the cliche of the fallen uh minister was something that always was in the back of my mind because I still struggled with sin, shockingly. You know, I know.
SPEAKER_00That's crazy. But that's the whole thing. I can't believe it. Oh you got it.
SPEAKER_03But we just love boxing people because it makes it intellectually easy. You just go, well, I can thus my hand off now. I can't. Right.
SPEAKER_08They group you. This is that's the classic. Who'd you vote for? Like, and then I'll I'll group you and all of that. Right. So now I don't even have to listen to you. Yeah, I'm also an individual. What I don't want to happen again is when I moved to Tennessee and I got comments of, Chris, you've changed. And I'm like, well, that hit my gut hard. Of then I never truly showed you who I am.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_08And it was a mix of when you try to ride the line too much, then you're not then you're giving someone a watered-down version of you. And I coasted in LA. I just stayed low. I did the work, focused on comedy, did good work.
SPEAKER_03I have friends that are underground. Yeah. Yeah. Because they work in the studios.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, it's it's just how it is. But then I I kind of moving here kind of gives you a little bit of freedom going, you know what? It's time to not hide, you know, that.
SPEAKER_01Do you feel like you were hiding the fact that you were a Christian?
SPEAKER_08So I would if people asked me if I was a Christian, I'd say, or if some people would be like, you know, when you walk in the room, I just light up. They're like, I don't know what it is. You're so funny. And I'd be like, well, I am Christian. You know what I mean? I throw that out, I carry that, and they're like, oh, okay. And I'm like, well, no, that's what it is. Um but I think that I didn't, you know, if I'm I didn't bring it into every conversation because I also sometimes thought, oh, I want I don't want to like force it. But I think I just I think I what's it called when you pull back too much? I don't even know. Maybe that's what it's called.
SPEAKER_01Keeping your job in LA?
SPEAKER_08It's called keeping your job in LA.
SPEAKER_03Keeping the roof over your head.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. Well I'm like, I don't want to be political. But on the political. I want to be political. I don't want to be political. And I think I started to group Christianity in with being political. Because it's very it's linked heavily to conservatives.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_08So it's like, I don't want to be political. Anyways, I I I've learned a lot from it's it's silly. There's something about just moving locations that you you have this reset. Well, I noticed that Horton.
SPEAKER_03I noticed that here as well. That it's it's so culturally um part of the culture uh as is the the uh my cousin. I I told Cher uh Cheryl, I told Carol Carolina this uh a couple weeks um ago. But my cousin moved here um and um he started he started going to church and I said um I didn't know you were a church goer. He goes, No, I go to a bar and I hit on women. I get asked two questions where do you work and where do you go to church? So he he said I needed an answer to the second one, so I just started going to church. And it actually said I'm kind of a joint. I know, isn't that great?
SPEAKER_01I wonder how many dudes have gotten baptized because they were trying to pick up chicks. Probably didn't both of us probably in. Yeah, that's such a dude way.
SPEAKER_08Yeah because she's probably like so I I love where this is going. I just have one burning question. When are you getting baptized? Thursday. Thursday. Yep. I already had it planned before we met.
SPEAKER_01Thursday. Oh, do they do services on Thursdays?
SPEAKER_08Well, we're we're gonna hire a pastor extra one to come in and do it on Thursday.
SPEAKER_01Oh, wow, yeah. I thought much of Paul. That's amazing.
SPEAKER_08Well, I'm very a lot of Paul. I'm a Christian.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god. Wow. Devil. So you know like JC.
SPEAKER_08I know Jesus.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god. Wow. That is the word for me.
SPEAKER_08I would connect up. I can't hear his voice.
SPEAKER_01Um so on the flip side of that, do you now find yourself getting exhausted by the the question, like, where do you go to church? Like, hi, you just moved here. Oh my gosh, where are you to church?
SPEAKER_08Yeah. I I definitely the flip side of this is I'm like, I you could get very comfortable here. Because when you put your when when you're around a group of people that agree with you, then you're like, I'm done growing. So I've definitely, you know, been checking myself. Like, I don't want to get comfortable. Uh I want to keep growing, right? But I have had a lot of people, especially out here, that are like, hey, I I know you're a Christian in the industry. Like, can you help my kid with this audition? Or you're a Christian, how do you sell a film? Or you're a Christian. They've been coming to my wife and I for like uh advice and hit a point where we went, okay, like meetings take time, and you can't live in meetings for the rest of your life or you won't make any money.
SPEAKER_01So you excitedly interrupt perfect transition to your guys' new platform.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. So we we launched a thing called Christian Creatives Collective, which dot com, which is basically an online platform where people can literally, there's a uh masterclasses and and lives, and there's a hub where people can actually post questions. So someone's like, Hey, I have a question about formatting my resume, or hey, I'm trying to sell a script. I wish I had a Christian voice when I was in the industry. My parents don't know anything about entertainment. So really the only person I went to was my wife Kelsey. But it would we I just it was something that we wish that we could ask Christians in the industry questions about really anything. So we just made it. Because you mean if you make the thing that you wanted, generally people want that also.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, which is so many times I've ran into networking issues because of my faith.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_01It's like, oh, you're clean, that's great, but we don't really want you to talk about what's that mentioned.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. But then how do you navigate that, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's so difficult. And then also the basics. How do you sell a sketch? Where do you find the people? And Jeff has opened so many doors for me, but it's it is so hard to just find people that really want to push Christ, but not down people's throat, just like beauty. Well, not necessarily doing Christian jobs. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08It's just I'm a Christian in the industry doing great work. I'm called to excellence. And you probably I'd rather go to you for advice, because you're a Christian in the industry doing what I'm doing, amazing, than just a random stand-up that is you know what I mean, they're not gonna relate the same.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so they don't see the world through the same lens.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, so we're it's it's been going well.
SPEAKER_01Okay, say it one more time, right into that camera. Like you know.
SPEAKER_08Christian Creatives Collective, way too long of a name. CCC. I'm so sorry. Yeah, which it looks like a chain or you know, a dove. No. Um uh yeah, so it's it's great. We're we're trying it out. We pitched at an actor's conference recently at the Harpeth Hotel, and you know, again, uh this is not something I would have been bold about in LA. And it was very interesting for people to come and be like, oh my gosh, I need something like this. Thank you. Like, I need my daughter's going to New York, and like what uh uh what is what are things she needs to know? And I'm like, well, that's what this is for. Ask any question whatever you want. It's pretty wild that you can do that. Because we were already doing this, right? And so we just filled a need. It really is about a world. See a need felony. See a need, and that's our slogan. See a need filony. No, see a need filony. Yeah, we we we just dropped that slogan today, actually. It's not landing.
unknownNo.
SPEAKER_01Um, so oddity improv. I have so many times uh called to you crying about my stage fright. Yes, and how I want to take improv classes to help my anxiety and my stage fright.
SPEAKER_03So you two should take it together. We should do it together.
SPEAKER_01We should do it together. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03We can both puke on ourselves.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that would be so much fun. Yeah, wouldn't that be fun though? Yeah, I think. We should do that.
SPEAKER_08I'll send it to you. There's one coming up in October, end of October, I think.
SPEAKER_01That would be amazing.
SPEAKER_08It's amazing that we wanted a space too where you could bring your family, right? Yeah. A lot of uh we noticed that our kids watch their own movies and we watch our own movies. And I was like, I we need to find something we can do together as a family. And if our kids ever walked in on me doing comedy, I want to not go, ooh, have them leave the room, which was LA. A lot of my sketches, which was LA. Um, and so that was a big part of it of like, let's just let's make some and that's the praise we've gotten. I mean, we've sold out Franklin Theater, which is 300 seats, for improv. Like improv? Yeah. But it's the clean comedy aspect. Right. People are craving it. They're like, once we know it was a phenomenal show. Well, thank you.
SPEAKER_01It is a phenomenal show. I think a lot of people I had never been to an improv show.
SPEAKER_08Improv can be very awful. Fortunately.
SPEAKER_06I've gotten spoiled. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03It depends on the experience of the the the actors that are doing it.
SPEAKER_08Yes. And we are looking for more grounded actors that don't go for bits and jokes. It's just, you know, relatable humor. Grounded actors, grounded characters, that kind of world. And if you live in that, if you're never, you know, you know this, you're never searching for the joke, it generally can go well. And so it's been great though. And Franklin Theater has just kind of opened the doors to us. And now next starting next year, we have a f a residency of I think we're doing like the I have to look it up, I don't remember, the second Tuesday of every month or something like that. Which is wild.
SPEAKER_01And then what is the website?
SPEAKER_08Uh well, audityimprov.com.
SPEAKER_01Oddityimprov.com.
SPEAKER_08And there's a workshop coming up in October, and we have uh October 12th is a show coming up.
SPEAKER_03Very uh This will be out before then, right? Not so spooky. We're calling it not so spooky. This is right now? Yeah. This is uh this is where we're we released them, you backdate them? Half the people don't even know what COVID is because of our uh our release dates.
SPEAKER_09Fourth of July was great.
SPEAKER_08I had a blast. We're gonna use that? We're using this?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was great. It was so great. Yeah, a lot of fireworks, different type of fireworks, different North Hollywood type. Yeah, but you know what? In West Hollywood, I bet they have real fireworks. Probably. Probably.
SPEAKER_08We don't talk to California anymore.
SPEAKER_01You know what though? I uh when I first moved here, I was dating someone and he was like, You live in the California bubble. And I was like, There is no California bubble, like you don't know what you're talking about. And it is really true. It's a completely different speed of life and a completely different culture here. Yeah, and do you ever get that?
SPEAKER_08Sometimes I find myself and I'm like, Oh, I'm I I hit I feel like I hit the ground running when I got here, and I wanna it forced Tennessee forced you to slow down. Right.
SPEAKER_07And I was like, I was like, I gotta go, I gotta, I gotta be famous. Here we go. You know, keep going.
SPEAKER_08I don't want to start at zero.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_08Which was a huge lie. Whenever you if you move, so you're never starting at zero. You have all this information from your life. You're picking up where you left off. But I I I think it was good. It sounds horrible, but my family went through a horrible year, but it was almost good for that to happen because it made it we were home a lot with our kids, and like we kind of just reset for six months. Just like, what are we doing? You know, and leaving, you know, and then finally got my wife's parents to move out here. My parents are next.
SPEAKER_01So what part of California were you from?
SPEAKER_08Burbank.
SPEAKER_01Oh, so you can't.
SPEAKER_08Well, I was from Anaheim, and my wife lived in Burbank, and then when we got married, we both moved to Burbank. My parents are still on Anaheim. Um they have, you know, lunch at Disneyland because they can do that. They love it.
SPEAKER_01You know why you're watching in real life, Heartbreak, because you just said Burbank, and I was like, gosh, do I miss the Italian food in Burbank?
SPEAKER_08The food.
SPEAKER_01The Italian food, the Mexican food.
SPEAKER_08Burbank was just if we can just get some chefs to move here. We have more the gulch. See, and I'm I'm fortunate only comparing Franklin. And I love Franklin.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_08But I would love, I'd love Franklin to Well, go back 27 years.
SPEAKER_03When I got here, you couldn't get a decent slice of bread. Oh my. It was all wonder bread. Remember that stuff takes square out of a hose, you know.
SPEAKER_09But that'd be fine.
SPEAKER_03You know what I mean? And I'd have these guys call me and go, this is the best meat in three. And I go, What's that? You walk in, you see like bubbling in water. Nobody boils a steak like this place.
SPEAKER_04Is that meat?
SPEAKER_03Isn't it? It was culturally the same thing though. I knew I was in Tennessee too long when I was in line at the uh when I when I worked at Atlantic City, I'd fly into Philly and I'd train over. I never wanted to fly into Atlantic City. I just like to train.
SPEAKER_08Right. So I do. And do the pointing thing.
SPEAKER_04That's probably a dog. That's right. Those people are probably shooting shooting each other. So anyway, I'm waiting in line at McDonald's, and uh this Asian guy in front of me pays for something with a$100 bill.
SPEAKER_03And the cashier just lays in boom. This is all you got.
SPEAKER_04I mean, you know, just this is it. I gotta get changed. I mean, and everybody behind me is like, you know, wealth. And I'm the only one standing there going, nothing again, man. You know? And then I call Tammy right when I got out of there. I go, I think I've been in Tennessee too long because there was a time in my life I would have been with the mob.
SPEAKER_06String them up!
SPEAKER_08See, my dark sense of humor though is I would be the next guy to go up and pull out a hundred dollars and act like what? Oh, did you not just see this whole thing? No, I just moved here.
SPEAKER_00I don't know what's going on.
SPEAKER_04My standard line is now out on their own when people get upset when they're delayed for you know, there's nine seconds, you'll never get back. Yes, I mean, for God's sake. Put it in perspective.
SPEAKER_08Again, that's a character. I'm like, write that down. I want to play that person.
SPEAKER_01Well, what's weird about the South is they drive so fast on the freeway and move so slow out of their cars. And it's like, what are we doing?
SPEAKER_03Well, someone said that to me the other day. What is it with? And they don't haunt it. What is it with Christians and getting behind the wheel of a car? I had a good friend of mine, one of the kindest, gentlest souls you'd ever meet in in Chicago. He he was like French connection, man, when you got behind the wheel. Just in and out of the L tracks. And I'm like, oh my god, and then you get out and you go, All right, man, what do you want to do? You're like, I want to take a nap. Yeah, exactly. I'm exhausted. Just took three years off my walk. I know.
SPEAKER_08You know, I felt awkward out here when, like, you know, it was it's a green light and no one's honking, and I'm three cars back. And I'm like, why is no one honking? Yeah, I should honk. Yeah. Wait, what's wrong with me? In most cities. Why am I bothered by this?
SPEAKER_03In most cities, the brake is connected to the horn, or the horn is connected to the brake. I know, I couldn't believe it.
SPEAKER_08And now, after being here three years, it's you know, it's a green night, and I'm like, oh, let me just grab my drink.
SPEAKER_03But you're not telling me you're not on board with this waiting at the where the light changes. No, you have to pull out.
SPEAKER_08Pull out, listen, they need to teach this in driving school. When you're making a left or right turn, or left turn, sorry, in the far left, left turn lane. There's two lanes, you're gonna pull out halfway and you're gonna wait. You're not gonna go non-coming traffic, you're just gonna wait. Right. So when it turns red, you're ready to go, and the person behind you isn't angry.
SPEAKER_03Right. That that can we spread this? I think we could.
SPEAKER_08So if you subscribe to the newsletter, you'll get a PDF download with how to drive in Tennessee.
SPEAKER_01Well, it's also the merging on the freeway. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_08They wait till it ends.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and sometimes they stop. Oh, it's they're just like, oh, hey, I've almost re-rended more than one.
SPEAKER_08But see, I kept when I moved to it, I thought it's me. I just have anger problems. It must be me from being in LA. I'm mad at everyone driving. I'm going slower, and then eventually I I adapted. I still get annoyed, but I adapted. Do you do the uh you know just middle finger?
SPEAKER_03Sometimes that how you do it? No, I can wave at one finger at a time. I do people wave at me one finger at a time.
SPEAKER_08I love when I see two people trying to communicate.
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SPEAKER_08And they clearly can't hear. And then ying ying ying. And you find yourself kind of speaking in tongues or something's happening. I don't know what it is. Yeah, I do that a lot. It's a problem.
SPEAKER_01And then what's weird is I catch myself because I'm a diehard people pleaser and I don't have any boundaries. And then I'll like, I'll make up scenarios in my brain where I'm like, how can I should I just follow them to the grocery store and apologize? Like, should I just tell them like that? Yeah, that would have been well. So sorry.
SPEAKER_08Hey, before you span that cucumber, I cut you off back there and at six days ago. It's it's the meeting of me. It's part of my recovery.
SPEAKER_07Are you from Michigan? Are you from amazing? It's so amazing. And your kids still go to that school that I looked up.
SPEAKER_03It's part of my ninth step. Yeah, it's nice. My sponsor made me come here. I didn't want to come here.
SPEAKER_08I didn't want to do it. It's good though. It's humble. It's calmed me down.
SPEAKER_01Growing up in Burbank, I never, well, Anaheim and then Kelsey and Burbank, I never met uh Christians in California because you guys were on the download. So growing up in what is Anaheim? Does Anaheim have the Crystal Cathedral?
SPEAKER_08Yes. Yeah. Yeah, they do a big show there uh for Christmas. Like they fly Jesus and do the whole thing, I think.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean we're right next to Disneyland. It's so hard to compete. Who's the pastor of that? He was famous.
SPEAKER_08I am blanking on that. We only went, I think, a couple times for like the Christmas show. And I don't remember who that was.
SPEAKER_01I was outside of it one time, but I was a huge Anaheim Angels fan when I was a kid. And so my dad would take me to Angels games all the time. And there's something special about Anaheim. It's the only place in California that has nice freeways.
SPEAKER_08And they're all there. And they're all there. My parents, they're like, they're like, we live off the 91, the five, the 55, the 96. Like it just the list goes on because it's just that. I'm like, here we are. A lot of dust. But they're like, but you can you can take any road to get to the I mean it's so it's so great.
SPEAKER_01I love I love it. Jimmy had that smut. Anyways. Um, so which what did you grow up in a denomination? Were your parents always Christian?
SPEAKER_08I I grew up in non-denominational, which is a denomination. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01When they say non-denominational, go on.
SPEAKER_08Non-denominational is a denomination. I actually went to Calvary Chapel Cosmeza with his pastor Chuck Smith and Greg Laurie and all those people. And uh friend of mine just did a documentary um on that whole Jesus movement of the movie.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah, Jesus Revolution and the movie Jesus Revolution that came out. Uh he his documentary is on Low Song, the band that played with the uh one of the funniest uh I want to say scenes, it's not a movie, it's a documentary. But when uh Chuck Smith announces the band will be playing, um, but not on weekends because one of the band members still has to do weekend jail for a pod possession. And the bass player raises and a whole congregation. Yeah, he's still going to jail every weekends. And uh beautiful though. When my friend wanted me to make a promo for him, I said, Well, I was building my testimony when the Jesus Revolution hit. That's great though. Yeah. But I loved it. Phil Wickham went there. Did you you didn't get baptized in the cove, did you? Uh I did. Did you? I actually did. Wow. Yeah. So they're still baptized of people in the cove.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. I have I have my parents still have pictures of that. That's pretty cool, man. Yeah, and I it is. But at the time I didn't realize it. But when I watched the Jesus Revolution movie, I was like, oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01Like I was in those waters.
SPEAKER_08I love all this. I was in those waters.
SPEAKER_00I was in those waters.
SPEAKER_08Literally, not like the waters.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_08The waters. I took a week in there. Yeah. And then uh Phil Wickham was like a youth pastor, use a youth worship leader there, and now he's huge. He's on Caleb and his massive records. He was just some teenager at the time.
SPEAKER_01That's wild. So how did you meet Kelsey all the way up in Burbank? Gosh, that's a lot of terrific. Oh, it was 30 minutes on a good day. Exhausting.
SPEAKER_08That was like three hours during traffic. We were waving at each other one finger at a time. We were doing this, but not this. No, we did uh I did youth theater. She went to Biola University. She was a freshman at Biola, and I was a senior in high school, and I did youth theater at Biola. Oh, big controversy. Yeah. The end of the story is she had to quit because we wanted to date. And and students can't date teachers even though we were the same age. But just it's a she was a teacher and I was a student, so they're like, that's not allowed. But I'm like, but I'm 18 and she's 19. What's what's the big deal? Like, well, it's just not allowed. Students can't date teachers. I'm like, that's a good rule. It's a great rule.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_08So she quit for me. And then we dated. Wow. And I was Daddy Warbuck. She hold that over your head in the middle of the day. She asked me to bring it up today. My wife's free my career.
SPEAKER_09She gave me a note to read.
SPEAKER_03All I want you to do is take out the trash.
SPEAKER_08She met me when I was bald because I was playing Daddy Warbucks in Annie.
SPEAKER_01Really?
SPEAKER_08So if I can win her over as a bald dude, then I'm great. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01She saw her future and loved it.
SPEAKER_08I know. I went, I went, so no matter what happens on it, if I lose my hair later, or it's she loves me for everything.
SPEAKER_01Didn't you play Olaf too from Frozen?
SPEAKER_08Yeah. So Frozen Live at the Hyperion was a show at Disney California Adventure. It was like a$40 million show. It's pretty wild. And I got to puppeteer the Olaf and sing as Olaf. Oh, you sing. I do.
SPEAKER_00He sings so well.
SPEAKER_08I got to also play Rocket Raccoon at the D23. It was a greet a meet and greet. And I did a motion capture and got to be Rocket, and people got to meet Rocket Raccoon from Guardians of the Galaxy. Wow.
SPEAKER_01That's so awesome.
SPEAKER_08It was one of those things that you get to be behind the screen and seeing people react. And I got to improvise as Rocket. It was a lot of fun. The Olaf was the best though, because it was really cool. Like people would come from all around the world to see the show, and on the days that we were you get burnt out doing a show over and over again. But we would get letters backstage of hi, my daughter saw theater for the first time and now she wants to do this. And that was just that was just really cool to put that in perspective. Someone maybe seeing you for the first time. So keep your energy.
SPEAKER_01Well, also playing the best character in like the whole thing. He's it's so funny how there's like whenever there's Pixar or any type of Disney animation, there's that one character, and Olaf is great.
SPEAKER_08The one. Although, don't forget the lyrics of his song.
SPEAKER_01In summer?
SPEAKER_08Are you gonna Don't do that? Because I did that once.
SPEAKER_01Did you really?
SPEAKER_08Yeah, and the audience helped me. Because doing five doing like five shows a week. For four years, your your brain some days just stops.
SPEAKER_03Well, I'm glad to hear that because my brain stops all the time. Oh, don't worry. Especially auditioning. Oh, don't worry. When I when I audition, that's why I I really never done a network television show. Because I'm a terrible auditioner. I can't write scripts. And it's my material. Yeah. And I freeze at some point, first line, second, third line, whatever. But in in stand up, you know, I mean, you know, timing. Yes. So even that two-second delay while you think of the thought breaks the rhythm of the entire thing. And for me, it used to panic me. Yeah, trying to get a word perfect. So when I did America's Got Talent and froze twice in a row, um, you know, you're like, okay. Yeah, but I've I've I've been around long enough at this point, it was 2021. I've been around long enough to know I can I start again. I know we're taping. Yeah. Can I start again? Yeah, sure. You know, but after the second hiccup, I started the Can I leave?
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SPEAKER_03And you know that the flop sweat, you've heard that where the beat of sweat goes down and it's 10 degrees cooler than your normal body temperature. So you could feel that it's hot liquid. You can feel its descent as it goes down into your top of your pants and you're thinking my whole career. It's it's a metaphor for your career. Exactly. Like it's almost at the bottom. So um anyway, I want to go back to Daddy Warburcks. I I watch, I've been watching this really good Christian show called Tulsa King. And uh you don't know Tulsa King with Sylvester Stoller. Of course not, you're a good Christian ladder.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, I don't watch those kind of things. Oh, you shouldn't.
SPEAKER_03I can tell you do, but they had a trip to a school in uh uh Tulsa, where it was one of these progressive schools, and they were showing the two twins, these little kids, uh, the school, and they got to the part of the theater department, and they do Annie, and he says, everybody gets to play Annie once uh uh at least once. All of our children are stars. And Sylvester Salone goes, you mean you got guys playing the Annie? It's a girl, and he goes, No, well, we're all just you know, we're all Annie. And and and we're watching this going, you want to know what's wrong with education? Everyone's a winner, right? Everybody. And oh, they had a scoreless basketball team, they don't keep score. That's hilarious, they don't keep score, and so Sylvester Stone carry he's like a thug from from New York. I don't get that. It's gotta be fun to watch. I'm gonna check that show out. That's hilarious. By the way, uh, oh it is, it turned out it's funny because we started to watch it when it came out, and I couldn't get past Stallone. Every character, everything he plays. You know, if he played a nun, it would be not a lot of depth. But so I couldn't, Tammy finally shut it off because I kept making fun of the guy. You know, I could you put on subtitles? Uh yeah, we have to watch everything with subtitles.
SPEAKER_01It's just three legs.
SPEAKER_03It used to just be the iris. Murda, murder, what is it? But I hear I hear him every every scene he ever does. I hear him going, you just think he's gonna be.
SPEAKER_08Where's that? There's a compilation, I'm sure, on YouTube somewhere, right? It's gotta be something.
SPEAKER_03So anyway, I want to talk to you about Spam a lot. We uh that was one of the greatest gifts my wife ever got me. She bought me and my son's tickets to here to uh in Tennessee.
SPEAKER_08It's I got to be Bedevere with the little storing company. The guy that lifts his helmet up. Oh, really? Long mustache.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Um I did it actually on in Long Island at a place called Gateway Playhouse. And then we did it again at a place in Maine. I'm blanking on the name right now. But it's so fun.
SPEAKER_03That was my rite of passage to my children. Yes. Was was introducing them to Monty Python. I haven't shown my kids that yet. Yeah. And uh when they hit 13, I showed them, and then my youngest the jokers, and this is true. My youngest is like, he's in IT, he's just everything is literal. He has no sense of satire, sarcasm, whatever gene that is. My boy didn't get it. He didn't get it. So in the middle of that famous scene, he goes, flesh wound, his alarm came off, dad. That's not a flesh wound.
SPEAKER_04You do leave the room. Go to bed, and you're lucky. You're going to bed. You're lucky you look like me.
SPEAKER_09Mother and I would be having a that's fake blood, by the way. You're like, you need to go to bed right now.
SPEAKER_03Oh, but I wanted to take him to New York to see uh they uh they had it out running. Have you seen Spam a lot?
SPEAKER_08It's basically Monty Python Spamal uh Camelot Spam a lot, but the musical version. Yeah, and it's hilarious.
SPEAKER_03And the jokes go so fast you can watch it three nights in a row and you pick up things because you're laughing through eight jokes.
SPEAKER_08But they nailed that show. Yeah, like some musical based off movies, you know, you know, they fall apart, but they nailed it. Oh, it was so funny.
SPEAKER_03Phenomenal. I've been waiting for it to come back here.
SPEAKER_01In Utah, there's this uh in Provo, there's a historic book store, and he has a huge online following. His name's like Mooney's Rare Books or something. And one time I was I've heard of that. Yeah, you'll see him online, and he shows Bibles that are this big and all these like cool little things. But he um I went to visit there because I knew he was in Provo, and he happened to be in the building. And so, you know how like when people come across you, like, I see you online, and blah, blah, blah. I was that person. I was like, I see you online. You're the book guy. Oh my god. And he was like so excited. He takes us in the back and he has these like vaults that are bigger than any gun safe I've ever seen. I mean, they're like the size of this room, and he opens them up. And of course, uh Utah, it was I was the only Christian, everyone else was Mormon. And he brings out um Joseph Smith's personal book of Mormon. Oh. Signed. And these women are weeping. They're just, oh my god, I can't believe it. And he brings out and he opens up this one and he's like, This is my Hollywood vault. And he opens it up and he pulls out the book from the beginning of Monica Python when they tell the story, the one that they use to film. And so these women are weeping over Joseph Smith, and then you're like, It's beautiful.
SPEAKER_02It's the monetary crowd.
SPEAKER_01I've always believed. I've always believed. Yeah, it was ridiculous. It was so ridiculous. And they were just looking at me like, what is wrong with her? And I was just, I couldn't believe that he had that book, and then I got to touch it.
SPEAKER_07Oh, that's hilarious.
SPEAKER_08Because you're like, and that is my religion now. That that I've converted.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you know what though, that scene where he's cutting off the come on, come at me.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, the bridge scene. Yeah, that's my favorite scene.
SPEAKER_01Sometimes when I'm praying and the devil just keeps trying to distract me, I feel like I'm that guy. Like the devil's lopped on his arm, but I'm like, come on, come at me. I still got it.
SPEAKER_06It's fine, keep praying. Oh true. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03That's what I said. You got you know, just this uh in the in the Middle East, the uh I guess they cut limbs off if you like if you could cause stealing, they cut your hand off. And I've seen Aladdin. I used to do it, you're you know. I said, you know, that that might be might be a minor deterrent, but some people have a real problem. So they just keep cutting things off till you put it together. You know, yeah. Now you're gonna stump on a skateboard or something. Put those squeakies in my mouth and give me a show. Stop stealing!
SPEAKER_06Please. I I know I got a problem. Shut up. Although there's nothing left, so now you can have whatever you want.
SPEAKER_01Well, I always bring like a random history fact. I've been unfortunately doing that to this podcast lately. But in Franklin, Columbia, all of those squares, uh, there were times in our history where they would just slop your hand off for ceiling? Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Or put you in those shackles things so people could come and humiliate you.
SPEAKER_03Or that's the part I love. I love this. We should bring that back. We should bring that back. Don't hurt them. Just you know, it's we have a form of that online, you know. Yeah, you just have to as public as it would be if you just yeah.
SPEAKER_08We could call it your kids. We could call it real life social media.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, right?
SPEAKER_08And you make them walk and be like, I have a comment.
SPEAKER_07I don't agree with you.
SPEAKER_06Some little kid called mommy, what is it? Spit on them. Do the spit emoji on them.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Uh yeah. So in downtown Franklin, uh, there is um an upstairs, like the courthouse kind of building. Upstairs, there's a little balcony. And people used to fight over that balcony because you could see people getting hanged from the best seat.
SPEAKER_08Wait, next to in the house. Ruby, like literally in the circle? Ruby. Literally. Oh, you're in Ruby's.
SPEAKER_01So the pizza place.
SPEAKER_08Ruby's sunshine. Sunshine. Yeah, it's in the came in from New Orleans. Oh, I didn't know that. Well, there's a balcony up there. That's fine.
SPEAKER_01So there's like that mushroom pizza place, and then right behind there, there's this two-story building, and then upstairs, there's this little balcony that you'd have to crawl through to go out there, and people would fight over it because they were like, I want to shout at them. Yeah, I want to watch them get hanged. I mean, and then people are like, I don't understand why people are so mean on the internet. I'm like, it's there.
SPEAKER_07It started there. Oh, that's funny.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I brought the podcast down. Sorry. You know, death is hard.
SPEAKER_08Okay. It's permanent. I just was continuing. I I didn't know where to go with that. I hope yes, and it's really hard.
SPEAKER_01Our improv's dark and not good at all. My improv is so dark that I can't believe he lets me be on this podcast.
SPEAKER_03Oh, she's given me uh some great stuff. Um uh I I was humming the Jardiance commercial song in my head, you know, the diabetes to drug, you know. It's a great song that she's singing during the day. Dancing around the fountain, you know. And nobody my age, you know, it's hard to dance with a foot missing, you know. That was that was her contribution. So and I love the ooze. People go, ooh, they go, it's a serious illness. We're thinking it's like a problem. We didn't celebrate tuberculosis when I was a kid, you know. There wasn't a lot of commercial. I don't know. It might not have carried the stigma had we made light of it, you know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I used to lose, uh, especially when I was opening for Edmay, who's very uh kind of the same demographic as Jeff, like very clean. Uh I'm not gonna say Christian humor, but southern humor. She's kind of like a female Larry the Cable guy. And I would lose her audience because I'd say I was like looking for a nice guy, like a good, like a Ted Bundy, the kind of guy that wouldn't leave me after I'm gone. And people were just like, nope, we're done here. That's not a joke. We don't like that. I'm leaving you a comment. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Oh, that's funny. So, what's in the future? Yeah, you're just gonna keep doing what you're doing.
SPEAKER_08You know, I uh my wife and I are writing a lot now. We're trying to shoot uh a film in November. We're really trying to, it's interesting, since we moved here, we started working together more. Kind of had separate careers, and now we're like, you know what? We're good writers, let's partner and work together. So we run Oddity Improv. We're I don't know, we're filmmakers, we're we're so many things, but right now we're really focusing on on writing. And and I'd like to eventually get back to sketch comedy. I do miss it. Um, but we've just been kind of training our troop in um the improv world. And actually we we met with Angel the other day, so we may be uh doing a little improv thing uh with them.
SPEAKER_03That would be beautiful. Oh, that'd be great. Yeah, I was just in New York ringing the bell when they went public. Pretty well.
SPEAKER_08And you've worked with them at Dry Bar.
SPEAKER_03I do, yes.
SPEAKER_08I just did my sixth one. Yeah. I met with the director of Dry Bar, and I'm blanking out his name right now when I met with him a week ago in Utah, and they showed me the whole thing.
SPEAKER_01But you're real interested, but you can't remember it.
SPEAKER_08I just forgot his name in this moment. Nope, super great name, though. And it's a great name. Close friend, close name, personal name.
SPEAKER_03I'll meet somebody like 18 seconds later, so I'm gonna go, have you met so-and-so? Yeah, we're friends in a Hollywood kind of way. Yeah. It takes 20 seconds, and it's a friend for life.
SPEAKER_08You love your name again. You did movie stuff, right? Yeah, I remember you. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh, I love that.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, so that's kind of what's next.
SPEAKER_01Um what is the movie that we can find that ruined your whole career on Blaze? Oh, great!
SPEAKER_08It's called Reopening. Reopening. It's on Blaze TV on their streaming service.
SPEAKER_03I have their streaming service.
SPEAKER_08I pay you$9.99 a month. Yeah. Reopening. It's about a theater trying to reopen during the pandemic. It surprisingly rides the line. It doesn't mock COVID, it doesn't mock the right or left. It just kind of shows what happens. It's very uh it's very much like a Christopher Guest film. It was fully improvised. We had it structured from like, okay, the scene needs to go from here to here. Um, there's a tons of a ton of groundlings in it, and um it's it's great. I definitely, you know, I I want to try that. That was our first attempt at making an improvised film, which was which is a challenge. But I learned a lot from doing it.
SPEAKER_03Have you seen the new uh Spinal Tap? No, well no, I want to. I do, I want to see it too.
SPEAKER_08I actually know was it out out yet now? Is it out?
SPEAKER_03I thought I thought it's coming out.
SPEAKER_08Maybe it isn't. I do want to see it. I love Chris Vergess films.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_08They're great too, because like you just as an actor in that kind of film, you get to play. You truly have a you know, here's what we want the scene to be go. And I hired I hired this actor because I trust you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Um and I watched a bunch of you know interviews with him and how he kind of make those styles, makes those kinds of films, which really helped when we did our own.
SPEAKER_03Oh man, spiral tap was saying it's so funny. This one goes to 11. See, that's the that's the the classic. Yeah. Um, and to sit with my wife, who shut it off 20 minutes into it. So this is stupid. You're like, I know. I know.
SPEAKER_08Dumb and Dumber is very dumb. That movie is not.
SPEAKER_01I've quoted it my whole life though. Like, isn't that crazy?
SPEAKER_03Well, that was Steve Martin's first film. As a film, the whole thing was really senseless.
SPEAKER_04Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03But as you sit around drinking with people and you start talking about one line after another. Remember the shot, he hates oil cans. Oh, it's so yeah, yeah. Oh, the jerk.
SPEAKER_04It's got the jerk, yeah. He's shooting.
SPEAKER_03The jerk. I know. And he's hitting all these oil cans. Oh no, he hates oil cans.
SPEAKER_04He hates oil cans.
SPEAKER_02Get rid of it.
SPEAKER_03Anyway, uh, yeah.
SPEAKER_08I want to bring those back though, truly.
SPEAKER_03I like blazing saddles. All of that. Oh my gosh, you can't, you know, it's like six different dates to blazing saddles. Yeah. And who knew that that would corrupt me for life?
SPEAKER_08You know, I mean, we kind of bring all that back though. And that's, you know, we're trying to do comedies with heart. My wife and I were we wrote under 90s rom-com. We're like, I want to bring those classic comedies back. Where you leave, not where you leave the film and you actually like you leave happy and not like, well, the marriage ended, and then that's in the comedy, we learned nothing. It was just dirty and nasty, and that's the end of the movie. Yay! It's like, no, those even Christmas vacation, there's so much heart in that film.
SPEAKER_03And it's hilarious. It's funny because when my wife watches things, Tammy will say that, especially a series. If there's no light it like after three or four, if she goes, I don't see some edifying something beneficial about this. We're not gonna watch this anymore. And um there's so much of that. I know. It's like, what is the point? I remember getting into a discussion with my son. I walk by, he's playing this really angry hardcore rap, and he's 15 or 16. So I walk in and I ask him to pause it. And I said, Look, man, I'm not gonna be one of these fives, because I know I can't keep you from watching and listening to what you're gonna listen to. I'm gonna try. But I'm just gonna give you something. All art, all art should edify a part of your soul, it should feed a part of your soul. Yeah. So when you're listening to this music, understand that the artists that created this are coming from a point of view where they feel the culture has put their boot on their neck forever. They are hitting back hard against this culture. So, as my son and a white suburban boy, what part of your soul, what what are you hitting back at? What yeah, what are you feeling? What do you yeah? And I'm not talking about following the herd and going, but I mean this should feed a part of you. You can change your attitude. And I love the look of just you know, the dear man slack jaw. I you know I have no idea what you're talking about. But I know four days later I walk by and listen to the journey. Oh, I just but I just said I ask yourself when you when you so that's kind of what Tammy has taught me. Um I used to just watch violent things because they were violent. Yeah, and and it's funny watching Tulsa King, it's a violent mob type sh, but I I find myself laughing constantly, not at other people's pain, but just the whole character of these these mob guys. They all got to you know, it's it's like if I would if someone said come play a mob guy, I would immediately I'm I'm in. Well, this was your because I've never hung around mob guy.
SPEAKER_08This is your demo reel right now. You can flip the show and then just send that out. Yeah, they're gonna go, I'm this is my.
SPEAKER_03And they're angry about everything. And it's like you go, my gosh, is there a joke? And do you guys ever sit around and just break red lines? I do think there's a shift. I'm gonna kill them. Just whack them. That's the response. Just whack him. He called me, he he disrespected me. Whack him! Kill them, kill them all.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, no, I feel that now with uh I don't know if it's a shift that's happened with all of us of like we're watching Netflix and you know, 10 minutes and we're like, this is just I don't know. Right. Well it's I mean I don't know, I've shifted where I'm like, Yeah, what taught us that was it was um um I don't want to be negative anymore.
SPEAKER_03Sons of Anarchy. Oh we binged six years of it. Most violent show I've ever watched in my entire life. Then we had three months off before the final season started. And then the second scene, Jax takes a screwdriver and he pounds it through some guy's head. I pause the TV, I go, I can't do this again.
SPEAKER_04So I've never watched the season finale, never watched any of it. That was enough.
SPEAKER_03You're like, it took six years and 50 episodes to get over it, you know. And I think about what I put into my soul all the time. But it but again, it's like, oh, it's just a movie. It's just a movie, you know.
SPEAKER_08But I know I'm noticing more now how things affect you though.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Uh I that I didn't before. Well, here's why I wants to turn on like I was dating Tammy.
SPEAKER_03And he had she had a two-year-old, or two and a half, maybe. Uh it wasn't quite three. And uh we're watching MTV videos. And I'm on the couch with his mom, got my arm around her, and this whole heavy metal video goes on, and Aaron's watching it. And they go to a commercial, he walks somebody, he punches me right in the face. And I look at Tam and I go, Yep, TV has no effect on children. No, it's fine at all. It's fine. Yeah. Yeah. So that was a metallic.
SPEAKER_08I'm constantly about like what music my kids want to turn on in the morning. If it's morning and it's just like loud, I'm like, guys, like, can we start our day with some some peaceful music? And if it's sundown, like sound worship, like we just need one day. Please just play Gregorian chants. Yeah, well, we and we have that uh we have that old record.
SPEAKER_01My heart. My son, he can only sing in Russian. It's ridiculous. Russian.
SPEAKER_07Did he learn Russian or from music?
SPEAKER_01It's because the the Orthodox chants, they're all like Greek or Russian, and they just yes.
SPEAKER_03It's another uh culture. Yeah. They've got to scowl. They always look like they smelled something. Yeah, it's got a moved.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's so funny because you'll see related? No. You'll see these tweets.
SPEAKER_03They weren't from the Italians, or the Italians learned from them. What came first? What skull came first, Italian or Russian? I just want to see a happy hitman one. Just a guy that just be on HBO. That would do well.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's gonna be the next show. How do we write that club?
SPEAKER_03Happy Hitman.
SPEAKER_01Happy Hitman. Sorry.
SPEAKER_03Well, it's funny. We're writing uh we're writing a dramedy based on a book I wrote. And uh we're in class, so we just cast uh the woman little putty tammy. But we're doing it, we're doing it in the nineties.
SPEAKER_08That was for you. That was your role.
SPEAKER_03That was your role.
SPEAKER_01Could you imagine this in the nineties? That would be I would be at a circus show in '95 with this many a woman with a hand tattoo.
SPEAKER_03I used to say that. That um I used to pay money to see tatted women, and and now she's my cashier at Trader Joe's. I did it for free. Typically, that used to be a back in the day when I was a young lad. Yeah, so it was a tattooed woman here.
unknownWhat?
SPEAKER_03Where? It's a freak show.
SPEAKER_01You know what's worse was so was a bearded lady, and now that's your cashier. Yeah, it's like, oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's just normal. No big uh yeah, no, I'm not gonna play Tammy.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01Sadly, dang it.
SPEAKER_03Actually, you're the right age. Just missed it. You're the right age.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah. 35, but she probably looked 35 and 35.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01And then I'm looking 42 because. Well, and the tattoos.
SPEAKER_03But anyway, we're doing it in the 90s. And um uh I wanted to do it just for the comedy because I grew up. That's great. That's what I'm saying. That was that way. We were going through that hole. Nobody will pay for bottled water. Are you kidding me? You believe he charged me a buck for a bottle of water? Who's gonna pay for water? You know, and then the directions you had to get on a payphone in the rain, you know, and the guy goes, North 35th, south 35th, what's the difference? Oh, about an hour. An hour one side of town to the other in traffic. Yeah, you dumbass.
SPEAKER_01I saw the study. Uh, when I say a study, I mean an Instagram reel.
SPEAKER_05And um this exhaust that he randomly hopped up for 30 seconds. I didn't go searching for it. The information came to me.
SPEAKER_01It's amazing. Uh was it? About these people seeing all of this light in their children by only letting them watch 90s TV shows. So they just power up like 90s. You saw the same study, you wrote the same study.
SPEAKER_08I read the same article.
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh. Uh the same study.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, because it was it's slower. Like uh, I turned on uh it was really random, but I turned on Roadrunner for my kids.
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_08And they were like, why aren't they talking? They like they had questions, and they're like, that's violent. I'm like, no, no, no. It's no no, it's it's like it's the what she goes, so he just kills them constantly. I'm like, oh no. So I think I think I did it the wrong way. They were like, why do you want to watch Coyote?
SPEAKER_01It was so upsetting. So I put on South Park and they met Kenny. Oh, and that's fine.
SPEAKER_05Smooth it all out. I'm like, all right, learn some new words. I'll be back in an hour. Uh I tried to do that thing though, but I think I used the wrong show. They looked at me like, why are you showing this?
SPEAKER_01Well, they said they started with uh magic school bus, was what it said in the study on the magic's demonic, but yeah, that's fine.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_01Magic demonic, so is science. So let's continue from the children.
SPEAKER_08But they liked it.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I don't know. I don't try that hard. My kid watches Family Guy. I don't know. He's very funny, though.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, my kids. My oldest, his entire philosophical foundation is Homer Simpson. Okay. He filters everything. We were going to a football game here, a Titans game, Jacksonville, and I buy tickets off a scalper to get tickets. Um, and uh he says, What's a scalper? I said, Well, they're just people who, you know, uh they bet that the cost of the ticket's gonna go up. Um, you know. I want to do that, Dad. Yeah. So I said technically it's illegal. It used to be, but it's not anymore. They're just there's guys that they buy, they get tickets, and then if the team sucks and the value of the ticket goes down and they lose money, if the if the game like this one is very popular, the Titans were winning and everything. So I'm gonna have to probably pay three times value. Uh, but I will do that because I want to spend the night with you. Yeah. So anyway, five minutes later he goes, oh. There was a Simpsons episode where Homer and Bart. And that's when I realized I have no effect on my child at all.
SPEAKER_08None. It's like you make a good point, Dad, because Homer Simpson made the same point. So now I agree with that. Now I get it. You're a wise man, Dad, because Homer Simpson's fail in so many levels as a father.
SPEAKER_01You know what's weird is I guess they wouldn't really ever see scalpers now, it'd just be a third-party platform.
SPEAKER_08Absolutely. Which is a bummer.
SPEAKER_01We miss, you know, I just want to miss experience. I want a personal experience with my criminal. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03Well, it's funny too, because I'll look online and know that somebody was selling tickets to my show for three times, whatever. And you'll that's me. That's why I'm on your show today. I've been I want to confess.
SPEAKER_08Yeah.
SPEAKER_01It is like just being on the back end of your stuff. It's a real problem. It's out of control, and they charge so much money. And for comedy clubs, so comedy clubs usually$35 is pretty much the max unless it's a VIP package or something, and especially the comedy catch, Zany's. These these people are seeing these huge social media people come in and then they'll pick up the tickets for 200, 300 bucks. Oh, and then they go in and buy it from Zany's or the comedy catch and just put those people's information in and run their card that they've already stolen from. It's a whole thank you.
SPEAKER_07Oh, jeez.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, we need to get out there protesting, guys.
SPEAKER_07We need to comment Tulsa King.
SPEAKER_08We need to comment somewhere.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. I want to see his stand up. I don't know what he said was so fun though. It was three hours. It was fantastic.
SPEAKER_01It was phenomenal. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08It was like music.
SPEAKER_01Someone's married to him. I know.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, that's so we're gonna cut this part too, right? Be like, now I know I was hard for you in LA. You're rude to everyone. No, you're not rude. You're super rude.
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh. Speaking of LA, when I think of um trauma. Yeah. Trauma. Uh when I think of when I noticed the flinch.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. It's subtler now. I used to be very recognizable.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Go ahead.
SPEAKER_08I'll make space for LA. Go ahead, talk about it now.
SPEAKER_00I'm sorry, I just have to grab myself. If you could, you know what? I'm in my personal shh, I'm in my personal shh, personal person.
SPEAKER_08And I'm here with you, and I support you.
SPEAKER_07Just shut up.
SPEAKER_01I just need a quick five percent box breathing.
SPEAKER_07And I'll help with that.
SPEAKER_01Okay, okay. Um, anyway, oh my gosh. You know what's so funny about that? It's we don't have to hear people talk like that anymore. I know.
SPEAKER_07I know. But you just stay quiet and you're like, yeah.
SPEAKER_01One time I was playing, you know that katan, that board game, that strategy board game.
SPEAKER_08Oh, yeah, I had a board game phase.
SPEAKER_01And like a friend was there, and it was a friend of a friend, and she's just not doing good. It's a strategy game. And at some moment, she just goes like this. And I'm like, it's your turn. It's your turn in there. She's grounding herself. Stop it. She needs to ground herself before she makes the next move. And so then we just watched Julia, who happened to have elf ears on. Okay. Not a Halloween party. I should probably put that in. Had her elf ears on, too.
SPEAKER_08All right, write that character. Hey guys, before we roll the dice, I just want to pray for an hour.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. You know what it's worse?
SPEAKER_07Oh, and oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_08Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01And someone continue. Yeah. And she was probably like 37 when this happened. And you know what's worse than the fact that she can vote? Is she has two children. She has two. Yeah, Nephilim. I don't know what we call them. Nephilim.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01It's not good.
SPEAKER_08We live on the outside of the Antarctic wall. Anyways, I don't want to go there.
SPEAKER_01It's a whole thing. There's forests. It's enchanted. That's really a whole thing.
SPEAKER_08Anyways, um Katan Elf here's grounding herself.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, she's grounding herself. I don't miss perfect segue necessarily the people. I miss some of my family, but I don't really miss like the casual encounters with people in LA. But what gets me every time and surprises me is when I'm watching a movie and it's a California landscape and I don't expect it to come up, whether it's like the Santa Cruz Valley and it's kind of this high desert rolling mountains, or even just the little stucco post-World War II houses, Burbank, Pasadena, it brings me to tears every time. Is there ever a time where you're like, gosh, I really miss besides the food, I really miss.
SPEAKER_08You know, yeah. Especially if you especially if you watch any movie that was filmed before 2020 and you see moments of California and it's just this beautiful, happy place. And now, man, it's just fires and it's so it's just it's so sad what's happened there.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Um but uh yeah, if I see old photos and stuff, I definitely miss uh I miss parts of it. I miss the community aspect, but I feel like I've kind of rebuilt that here.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_08I mean, I moved here and went, where do I find comedy people? And so we built it. We built audit improv and then they all came and there's a huge creative community here. There's so many talented people here.
SPEAKER_03I started taking acting at 60 just to get out of the little town I was in. Yeah. And it was so cool being around these young creatives. Um, you know, they they would ask me to they were doing a music video and I walk in and they're shooting it on an iPhone. I'm thinking, well, how good is this gonna be? Yeah. And then I'd see the finished product and I'd go, holy cow. It's it's amazing.
SPEAKER_08Um how do we get them all together though? Well, that's they're all here. There's so many people moving here, so many creatives, but they're scattered. And it's I I don't know. And no one likes networking. Like, let's do a big networking event. Like, you know what I mean? Well, that's what AA is for. Oh, I'll go to that. Since you know, just start that. I can meet comedy people there. That's a joke, by the way, don't send me this. No, but truly, there's so many people moving here, and I I've just been like, how how where how do we bring them all together?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Well, I really want to do uh like a California, like a once-a-quarter like party.
SPEAKER_08Oh, that you totally should.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_08Can you serve really good Mexican food? That's my plan.
SPEAKER_01That's my plan. Really? Yeah. I already have the taco truck picked out that has like legit Mexican food where we can all remember.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, because my parents visited. We took them to this Mexican place in uh cool springs. No, do it. Nope, not gonna say it.
SPEAKER_01Say it directly in the camera.
SPEAKER_08Nope, nope. My parents took goodbye to a taco. My mom's my mom's very like loving. She's a mobile dog groomer and very tired of it. And she went to goodbye.
SPEAKER_07I went, well, that was the worst thing I've ever had. And I'm like, mom, try the tortilla soup. She's like, oh, let me, oh yeah, I should have got that. And I'm like, well, just tell them. And she's like, no, but wow, are you guys okay out here?
SPEAKER_08She was literally a week ago, they came out and just like, I'm so sorry.
SPEAKER_03The Mexican beauty's not a good idea. It's funny, we just did Mexican at the house. We had to get together with the production team. And uh who'd you use? I didn't even know with my wife. Oh, because she is uh it was really good. I I grilled the flank stick. She marinated it, but I grilled the flank stick and the chicken. But she uh we'll hire you next time. She put everything together. And it was interesting with this uh I grilled the corn and then she mixed it with um avocado tomatoes and cilantro and all this stuff. And um, it's probably amazing. That was it was really good.
SPEAKER_08I uh I need to I need to find some good Mexican food.
SPEAKER_01There is a really good place, I'll tell you. Planet Fitness, Franklin.
SPEAKER_08You lost me. No, but Nancy said Planet Fitness. In the back.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Monday nights.
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_05Wait for real. Talk to me. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Talk to me. There's a taco truck with flat tires in the shell parking lot, and it is as close as you are ever gonna get. Oh, okay. This is how serious we take Mexican food in California. I used to go to this place.
SPEAKER_08But I think you need to rise up to how serious we are right now. This is pretty this is We really need to see how much you care about this.
SPEAKER_03Are you gonna weep?
SPEAKER_01Or just if you're gonna weep.
SPEAKER_03That gets so many So many views. Views if we just can weep. Just love, you know. Unless you're a man looking at a disc on a floor.
SPEAKER_08I don't cry on podcasts. It's been a rule of mine. I just don't do it. You just don't know that rule until I did. You know. I won't now I will stutter and slightly break. But I will not shed a tear. I didn't quiver the lip.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's funny. You look you in an Elvis vibe. But you're very, you could have been a great mafia unique.
SPEAKER_08You have a demo reel from this entire segment, right? I know. You just clipped this up and sent it to every filmmaker in the world. Like, here it is.
SPEAKER_01Even when you were talking about the salsa cartoon.
SPEAKER_09And this this whole with the jacket and the uh this is my mafia guy that just fitted a suit that's too tight. Here he is.
SPEAKER_01But even his salsa, like even your salsa sounded like a threat. You were like, I grilled up, I grilled up the corn, and then she put Tam, she chopped up the avocado, she tossed it with the colour.
SPEAKER_09Please don't hurt my family. That's a metaphor. This is a metaphor, I assume. Maybe we'll mix some avocado together. We'll toss it.
SPEAKER_01We'll throw it in the Yeah, we'll throw it in. Are you one of those people when you did your 23 and me? What's your cilantro like? Do you like cilantros? You better like cilantro. Here's the cilantro. Well, on that note.
SPEAKER_08You guys always end on threatening mafia jokes at the end, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we do. That's kind of hard.
SPEAKER_08I noticed that.
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh. Hey, when you get up, I hope you walk down the stairs real fine. Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_06If the mafia actually existed. See, now that's the most threatening thing we could say.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03It's if it exists.
SPEAKER_01If it was real.
SPEAKER_05But does it?
unknownNo.
SPEAKER_05You're sure. Look. Your voice is getting softer and softer, and more men are entering the room. This is the stuff.
SPEAKER_01Oh dead. Those guys, they just work for waste management.
SPEAKER_03They do. Joe, I've got a crematorium crematorium flyer. And she says to me they got over 500 five-star Google reviews from a crematorium. And I'm going, the only people I can see reviewing a crematorium would be the mob. Six bodies, not one question.
SPEAKER_09We love this place. Great tap water. The tap water is fantastic.
SPEAKER_01What does that mean? Quality earns. No fingerprints. No fingerprints.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, review some morgue.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god. This is terrible.
SPEAKER_03Well, we gotta wrap this up because I have a water clock. Um I I'm an important guy.
SPEAKER_08Oh, I have a 105 thing.
SPEAKER_01He's reviewing some morgs.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, I'm I'm it's it's what I do.
SPEAKER_01Uh we actually call them funeral homes now.
SPEAKER_03I put on a wig and I visited and everything. I thought parlor was such a better Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01You want to want me to history nerd for a minute? Okay, so you used to go into a house and it was the parlor, and that's where you would have the viewing of the body, and you would prepare the body and you would have it there. But then they realized there was money in funeral parlors. We will just take the body and we'll do everything for you because you don't need to deal with that. And then we'll no longer call it a parlor, we'll call it the living room because there's no one dead in there. The living room. The living room. That's why we call it the living room.
SPEAKER_08Wait, do you have a funeral podcast? Really? No, I don't. Why not?
SPEAKER_01Uh I mean, I can get into it.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god, funeral parlor. From here on out, yeah. This is gonna be part of our podcast. Funeral parlors? We're gonna promise somewhere in the middle of this interview Carolyn will nerd out on some historical fact. Oh, that's what I'm which you don't know where. And then we're gonna quiz you and we'll send you a coffee. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08And it's never at the beginning, end, or in the middle. No, it's that's the only rules. So good luck. Watch the whole thing. So we're not never at the beginning, middle, or beginning.
SPEAKER_03So we have to have the question why is it called a living room? Yeah. That's a great I love, I love it. There's a reason things are you know, it's funny. I heard a uh a a very bright man one day say, before you tear down a fence, you might want to ask why it was put there in the first place. So as we begin to tear down traditions in this country, you might want to ask where they came from. And why do we do that? And and why they why they before you tear it down. Before you tear it down, you know. No, that's that's great.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I caught a little bit of the autism too. Oh, you caught it? Yeah, just hanging out with your son.
SPEAKER_08I feel like we all have it. We all are little neurodiversity. We're all mess, and yeah.
SPEAKER_01It's all a dream.
SPEAKER_08We're getting like a dream. We're doing it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03We've covered where we're gonna find you, we're gonna find you again. Go through that again.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, Oddity Improv. You can come see us through shows at the Franklin Theater. Um, we also have that platform, Christian Creative's Collective. And your socials. Oh, my socials is Chris W. Guerra, G-U-E-R-R-A. Um, where I reenact Facebook Marketplace Nightmares. So you don't roll your R's. I don't. I don't. But there is a video on there that you'll can find where, like I said, a CVS lady actually told me to roll my R, and I reenacted that, and that did well.
SPEAKER_01I'll play it again.
SPEAKER_08Set entitlement. Yeah. Uh yeah, those are all the things. Filmmakers. Oh gosh, what a blessing. All the things. Yeah, thanks for having me. This was fun.
SPEAKER_01Oh, this was so much fun. I love you so much, man. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_06We'll talk about Mafias next time. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Part two.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Uh God bless you guys. Thank you so much. Like, subscribe, follow Chris on all of the things. And if you hate us and you hate Chris and you think we're idiots and I got half the facts wrong, or if you're vaccinated and angry about it, put it in the comments. Drive up that algorithm, all right? But hey, don't get too excited.
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