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Women Should Prioritize A Man's Success Level - with Guest Gage Fitzwater

• Will Scott • Season 1 • Episode 31

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In this episode of the Elite Level Status Podcast, I sit down with Gage Fitzwater for a deep conversation about modern dating from a male perspective.

We start by talking about Gage’s background as a business owner, how he scaled his construction company, and why personal discipline, hygiene, presentation, and self-respect matter more than a lot of men realize when it comes to standing out in dating. We also get into why so many people struggle in modern dating. It's not because there are no good options, but because they don’t have a strong enough filter.

From there, we get into one of the biggest disconnects in dating today: the difference between what women say they want and what they are actually attracted to. We talk about why strength, stoicism, competence, and success create real attraction, why material assets can help but only get you in the game, and why a man’s financial success says a lot more about him than just the money in his account.

We also discuss what makes a man take a woman seriously, why peace and submission matter so much to high-performing men, why a woman’s past and purity matter more to men than many women realize, and why men and women both need to stop trying to change the rules of the game and instead become the best option on the table.

This was one of those episodes that really breaks down dating in a direct, logical, and high-level way. If you care about modern relationships, masculine success, attraction, and understanding what high-performing men are really looking for, this episode is for you. 

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SPEAKER_00

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SPEAKER_02

It's a serious pleasure. We had a couple road bumps getting here, but we made it. So it's all good. Awesome. Awesome.

SPEAKER_00

So uh first question, man. Just give us a little bit about your background and what you do for a living.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, uh, I own a construction company. Um, mainly we work on the exterior of residential homes. We do some commercial stuff too. Um, started that in 2023, have scaled it now to $7 million a year in revenue and uh 30 different employees plus me, team of 31. And uh yeah, and then we're also making a big push on the social media stuff recently, and I'm sure we'll get into it, but I've had uh I had some life incidents that happened that I've been talking about more, and little by little the social media is starting to blow up. So um it's no longer an experiment. We're putting a lot of business resources into that uh now too. So those are the two things. I um my business is in uh Salt Lake City, Utah. I'm there about three weeks out of the month, and then I'm down in Vegas working on uh our other business uh like one week out of the month. So we've got a house in both spots. So awesome.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, man. Love it, man. So let's jump right into it. What are some of your just overall thoughts on the modern dating market?

SPEAKER_02

So uh interesting question. I've got like my perspective personally for like how my experience has been, and then I also have like the observations of what a lot of other people are going through, which I are kind of separate experiences, honestly.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so start with your personal experience, then we can observe other people.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, man. I mean, for me, um, I gotta say, like, first of all, I'm an eternal optimist to begin with anyway. Uh, but things go pretty well for me, man. Like, it's never been easier to uh stand out, I think, in a lot of areas. And uh dating is not really any different. Like, if you do some of the basics and uh you care about yourself a little bit and have some respect for yourself, um, other people pick up on that and um you do all right in life in general.

SPEAKER_00

So for for for guys that may be curious, what are just some of the basics things that men can do to help themselves with women?

SPEAKER_02

Um all of the most obvious things you could think of hygiene. Yeah, freaking like you know, yeah, uh I get my hair cut every 10 days. I I'm always wearing clean clothes. If a shirt's wrinkled, I don't try to put it on, even though my seatbelt might have might have got me on the way over here. But uh, you know, showering when you need to shower, like, dude, I can't I can't believe the amount of stories I hear from women about other guys that are like, yeah, he he smelled bad on the date. Or like the most simple things that if you've got half a brain, you'll make sure handled. Um, but a lot of people aren't doing like the most basic stuff.

SPEAKER_00

And listen, I think this is a great point by you. I think sometimes let's not overthink it. Make sure you smell good, make sure you look good, make sure you have on nice clothes. I feel like sometimes men, you know, they they may like try to buy flowers and things like that. But they their circuits wrinkled. And it's like, no, like let's let's make sure that you do everything that is within your control. A lot of this is not in your control, but there's certain things that are. Yeah. And and you need to control what you can control, you know, shaving, smelling good, nice clothes. Those are things that every man can make sure he's on top of.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, showing up on time, paying for stuff, like, I don't know. I'm I'm a little old school. Like, I've I refuse to have a woman spend a dollar on me. Like, again, to me, all this is very basic, um, really instinctual stuff. But uh, like I said, I can't believe the amount of stories that I hear, which I mean, listen, uh I think in general in life, if you're having something, if you're getting a certain result, the quickest answer is usually gonna be in the mirror, like almost always. So that is A plus advice for sure.

SPEAKER_00

For sure. Um, so what are some of the things that you observe from other people that you think are issues in modern dating?

SPEAKER_02

So, I mean, first of all, you gotta control the things you can control, right? Um, but you're exactly right. Like, uh there are certain conditions right now with uh the opposite sex. And I'm sure listen, I'm sure the ladies feel the same about us, right? But uh you you gotta have a strong filter right now. Um, there's a lot of trash, like there's people are being influenced by all different types of things, right? The mainstream media, social media, and a bunch of people are getting a bunch of bad ideas right now. And so, like, I think uh it's never been more important to have like a strong filter. Uh, I think most of the bad stories I hear from friends, like you know, girls um being out in the streets too much, or you know, whatever the negative trait is, um, I think a lot of that is self-inflicted as well. Like, you should have a filter. Why are you spending more than two hours with that person? Yeah, right. And that's what I like to do. Like when I'm on any sort of a date, um, I'm I am observing everything for the first three dates. And the second there's anything that is something that I know long term is not gonna be something I'll put up with, yeah. Like I'm just gonna go somewhere else, dude. Because there is plenty of good girls out there. I can promise you that. That's true, yeah. Plenty of awesome. My biggest problem these days is like I it's hard for me to decipher which best girl I would like to spend my most time with. Because there really are, if you do the right things, um, you can run into some just amazing people in this world, dude. Yeah, period. So totally agree, man. Totally agree.

SPEAKER_00

Um, do you feel like what women say they want in a man matches up with the types of men that they actually date? In general, no.

SPEAKER_02

Like in general, um, and like specifically, right? Uh I think a lot of girls they want something that is not compatible with the other, right? So if you're in a dark alleyway with man, chances are you want somebody that could protect you if she went south, right? Yeah, fair to say. I think every woman would say, like, I don't want a guy that's gonna cower and I'm gonna end up dead in that alleyway. But then you hear the term emotionally available constantly. Successful, like good guys are not generally super emotional. As a matter of fact, a man who is uh a slave to his emotions is a dangerous man. Yeah. And is really not somebody that I would ever want my daughter. I've got a seven-year-old daughter, yeah. Like I'm coaching her on these things. You want a man that's in control of his emotions. And listen, like if your man is out there spending 60, 70, 80 hours a week working, when he gets home, you got to just understand what that creature is. Yeah. He's maybe not one of gonna want to get into the details of all the emotional things of your day. Right. And if he has that response to you, and that's the type of man you chose, you just have to understand that. Yeah, there are plenty of emotional guys out there. If a girl wants an emotionally available guy, like make sure you're ready for that trade out, right? Right. So I think where girls get tripped up is they're like they're wanting their cake and and eating it too a lot of times. And generally, like a really strong, successful man is gonna carry that in other areas of his life and be stoic.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And you gotta be willing to accept that if that's the kind of man you want.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, that is very well well said by you. I think that men strive to be pillars of consistency.

SPEAKER_02

Yep.

SPEAKER_00

And I think that sometimes with that, opening up to your girl, that's not going to happen. Men, men wanna show strength at all times. I think overly emotional men, they they won't do well in business. Yeah. And I think that kind of alludes to what you said previously. So I think a lot of times, you know, I I want to do this show to help men and w women come together, right? For sure. I think that when women say what they want, when men ask, hey, what do you want in a guy? I think that women say traits that make them comfortable in a relationship. I want someone caring, nurturing, emotionally uh available, right? Yeah. But those traits aren't necessarily what will make them attracted to a man.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

What will make them attracted to a man is a guy that's strong.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You know, a guy that that has the traits that typically, unfortunately, they will attach to someone that they'll call toxic or a player, you know, someone tall, successful, good looking, that's what they're actually attracted to. But it's not in their nature to come out and say that when asked, what do you want in a man? Right. So I think that the men that don't understand this, they're gonna try and go buy flowers and share their emotions with them. Yeah. And that's gonna be a turnoff when you're trying to pursue and get a girlfriend. Maybe if you want to open up more when she's your girlfriend or your wife, maybe that's way down the line. But when you're trying to start a relationship, I think that listening to women from that standpoint is not going to help you because they're explaining traits that make them comfortable.

SPEAKER_01

100%.

SPEAKER_00

Not what they're attracted to. And I and I think that's what men, when you're trying to get a girl, um, you got to be able to understand that concept before you can move forward.

SPEAKER_01

100%.

SPEAKER_00

Because if you don't, I think that you're gonna, those are the guys that buy flowers and then it doesn't work. Now they resent women.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Whereas like, listen, like if she's not attracted to you, you can buy all the flowers you want. It's not gonna go anywhere. Yeah, you gotta build attraction first. And that goes back to what you said earlier. Yeah. Take care of yourself.

SPEAKER_01

Yep.

SPEAKER_00

Dress well. Be successful, be a good man. Those things create attraction. Yeah, when she's attracted to you, then you you can buy your flowers or whatever. So 100%.

SPEAKER_02

And I would just tell ladies too, by the way, if that's what you want, you want the guy who is all those things, right? Those guys put in the hours, they work hard, like be ready for all the stuff that comes with that. Because it's not always as uh I find um when the reality of being with a man like that hits the road, the rubber meets the road. Like some girls don't like only seeing their man once or twice a week.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So just some advice. Like guys who make money are not always going to be the most available emotionally or otherwise. Because they're out, you know. When you're 45, you can enjoy the the fruits of all that, you know.

SPEAKER_00

So and and to that point, I think that attractive women, you know, I think more relationships happen organically for them because men are hitting on them, they're being pursued. Yes. And so I don't think that they understand sometimes that a successful guy, if if he doesn't come from money or something and he has he has to build from scratch, like yourself.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

There is a tenacity and a work ethic that goes in and into that. When you finally start becoming successful, all your life you've tried to talk to these women, especially the the attractive women, you haven't had the success that you want. Now, when you become successful and you start having successful with women, uh you kind of want to see what's out there sometimes and really understand, okay, what are your options now? Now now that you're finally having the success that you've been craving your entire life. But when you get to that point, if you're talking to women, you're seeing age, they're probably wanting something more of like, okay, I want you to settle down, only focus on me. So the timelines don't always match them. I think that causes problems as well.

SPEAKER_01

No, a hundred percent. So, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00

Do you think material assets like cars and money help in attracting women?

SPEAKER_02

I think if you want to attract the most beautiful women on the planet, which like that's my personal goal, right? I want to have a woman that's a 10 out of 10 in looks and everything else. Exactly. Right? So um, one's by the way, not good enough. Like uh she's gotta be sweet, she's gonna be loving, she's got to be traditional, she's gotta be beautiful, all that stuff, okay. The top 1% of women, like, they're probably not gonna deal with a guy that doesn't have some of the material stuff, but all that does is get you in the game, right? Yeah, so you could have all the material things in the world, but if you don't do the basics, right? Like no girl, you could you can be a billionaire if you stink like shit. It doesn't matter, right? No girls wanna gonna want to be around you, yeah. Um, so yeah, man. Uh yeah, that's that's the answer to that. For sure it it helps, but if you don't have other assets um about your personality, if you're not in shape, if you're not all that stuff, like for the best girls in the world, you you gotta be a just like you want a full package, yeah. You want a 10 out of 10 everywhere, that's what they're looking for, too.

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely. I think that a lot of women, especially in Vegas, they get a bad rap for being materialistic or gold diggers or whatever it is. I think that men fail to realize the female experience for an attractive woman. She is getting offers that you couldn't imagine. And so it's like uh you can try to lead wit with money, but at this point, when she's past 22, 23, 24, she's probably already been on a private jet. She's probably already been in a Lambo, she's probably already done done done this stuff, right? So her her level of just what she thinks is normal for her, yeah. Is it's like, okay, you know, if if my last three exes have all been multimillionaires, yeah, then she's not going to really, you know, give a lot of her time to someone that's a less than that. It doesn't make her a bad person, right? It's just her calibration is is different. So if you want to talk to her, you need to be able to get her to notice you. And I think that's where the material things come in, like you said.

SPEAKER_02

And honestly, dude, I don't think I think when you really get to talking to the vast majority of women, they actually don't put enough stock in um a guy's success level, right? Like a lot of girls' problems, and I hate to say this, I'm sorry. Uh a lot of girls' problems are like dating broke guys. Yeah. Like all the stuff they describe, I'm like, oh, a guy who had any level of success would never even like it, would never occur for him to act that way. So I teach again, I have a seven-year-old daughter. I'm not speaking out of like what I think here. I'm this is stuff I'm putting into practice. I've been telling her since she was two years old. You are not to date a man that doesn't have some sort of financial resource. Yeah. Under no circumstance. Yeah. Because if a guy has that, it means a whole bunch of other shit about him.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

It means he can get along with others. Exactly. It means he can be disciplined. It means he can show up on time, it means he can make the trains run on time, it means he can solve problems, right? As ladies, you should put high stock on if your man can solve every problem you can bring to him. Right. Can you call your man at three o'clock in the morning, tell him five minutes of issues, and he says, All right, give me 10 minutes, I'll be there. And he snaps his fingers and all your stuff disappears, right? That's the number one thing that like I want my daughter. When I die, I'm her problem solver, right? When I die, it's very important to me that she's got a man who can do all of those things. I tell her, you need a man, you need a man that's more rich than your dad, better looking, taller, stronger, funnier, loves you more, all of those things. And number one, a guy's success level monetarily is gonna say just so much, speaks so much volume about everything else about him.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So I mean, that is incredibly well said. And you know, that's kind of counterintuitive to what people hear. Yeah. But you you you are right. I never really heard it articulated like that. But yeah, a guy's success level doesn't just show you how much money he has, it says a lot of other stuff about him. Because how he got there, yeah, responsibility, professionalism, problem solving.

SPEAKER_02

Listen, this the supercar the supercars don't show up in the driveway for no reason. Somebody didn't just drop them off, yeah. Right?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, especially as a man, right?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, like yeah, and that's another point, too, is like it takes it's a long, hard slog as a man. If a girl wants to go on a private jet or a yacht and she's 18, 19 years old, she's got to either walk outside or go on her Instagram and click a button. Boom, she's got it. If you and I want to get on one, we gotta make one. We gotta make a hundred million bucks.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02

It's a little different, and listen, like I I wouldn't trade, but to be clear, I wouldn't trade girls for the experience that they gotta do and the things they gotta navigate. But uh ours, there's no arguing that in general, ours is gonna take a little bit more time. Yeah, so well said, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

What traits does a woman need to show for you personally to take her seriously?

SPEAKER_02

Um, this is so hilarious that this question's coming up because this was in practice uh yesterday. Um my friends were with me, my VPs. So the number one thing I need to know immediately is is a woman gonna um trust me to make the decisions and is she gonna submit to me? Okay. I'm not interested in having arguments with my female, right? I'm not interested in having stress added to my plate. I'm not interested in a challenge. A lot of girls say, like, oh, if you found if you you know, if you date a girl like that, you're gonna get bored. You're you need a challenge. There is nothing I want less than a challenge for my woman when I get home. Every day, all day, all I face is challenges. Challenges, yes. I don't need to add one that's like lit in general, you literally meaningless, right?

SPEAKER_00

I couldn't agree more.

SPEAKER_02

I've had women that argue over nothing. Um, when I was younger, I would tolerate that because a girl was at a certain level looks-wise or whatever. Um, in my older, tender age of 34, going on 35. It's like the second a woman argues with me about really anything, because I don't give reason to argue, right? I take I pay your bills, I take care of everything, I make sure you're having a fun life. I I provide for everything, right? If a woman's with me, her life is effectively free.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So I better at least have the return benefits that when I get home, there is no noise. Yeah, I don't need noise. I got plenty of it everywhere else. Um, a woman's job in my life is to make my life tranquil, right? In general, and there's a bunch of other stuff that goes into that. But when I get home, I better feel at peace and I better feel talk about like a safe space, like my house. I better not come home to bullshit.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

The second I do, I'm just gonna go somewhere else. It's fine.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So and I love that. Um, I don't want to speak for all men, but I agree with everything that you just said there. But I think that's a fair ask because you are doing the things to allow a woman to submit to you. You're working hard, you're building your business, you are paying her bills. So, in exchange for that, all you ask for is tranquility, yep, peace. Very well said by you. You have problems and issues and and um things that you have to solve all day long. When you come home, your home needs to be a safe space. You don't want any more problems from from your woman.

SPEAKER_02

And and by the way, if your man, ladies, if your man is unwilling to do all of that, for sure, don't submit to him. Yeah. Right? Like don't it goes back to don't go doing that for a broke boy who's not helping you and making sure that your life is good. I think that's fair. But if a man is doing that for you, like you need to really understand how rare that is and uh how special it is. And if I were any lady out there and I had that, I would treat it with utmost respect and fragility because it can go away. Like there are men on the planet that have all the same options as the women that you mentioned, right? So just ladies keep that in mind.

SPEAKER_00

I would just say that. Yeah, so for sure. Do you care about a woman's passion, like her body count?

SPEAKER_02

Um, okay. Uh yes, very much. Uh just like I don't think nearly enough guy, uh nearly enough girls place enough value on a guy's success level and and financial status. I don't think nearly enough men place enough value on a woman's um purity. Yeah. Okay. Um that's as important as it gets, which is okay, same thing. Uh all my guy friends that have the most problems in their dating life. Life, it's same comparison to a girl dating a broke boy. They're dating girls that have uh had a little bit too much experience in this life. Yeah. So obviously they're gonna have baggage. Listen, I don't want a girl that's had five boyfriends that have broken her heart. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Why would I put up with a girl that's got that type of damage that's gonna put those things on me?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

When I can just go date a girl that's 19 and never had a boyfriend before and is sweet to me and doesn't, you know, put things that are not my business on my plate. Yeah. If like that, my number one pet peeve is a girl to say, Well, that's a sensitive subject for me because my ex used to do that. Guess what, sweetheart? I'm not your ex. Right. Okay. I'm not him. I don't know why. If I had told you my ex-girlfriend do that, did used to do that, that bothers me, you would think this, you'd think I was stupid for saying that.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_02

So I don't understand why uh why girls are so free. And girls, please, please, please, please. I'm teaching my daughter this. Same thing. Protect your purity, man. You get to 20, 21, 23, and you've never had a boyfriend before, you can attract the best quality man on the planet.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So um, if you're out there, ladies, young ladies, 15 to 21, just do everything you can to protect that and find, try to find the the man that you want to be with as soon as you possibly can. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So I think that's very well said. I I feel like sometimes women can get resentful of older men, you know, 30, 40s, 50s, dating women in their 20s, and they can't understand why. They're like, why don't you want to date a woman your age? Yeah. I think the reasons for for that are what you what you just said.

SPEAKER_02

It's the same reason I'd rather drive a 2026 Lamborghini Hurricane uh compared to a 2009 uh Toyota Supra. Yeah. Right? Like that Supra is gonna have some problems. Yeah. The brand new car is under warranty. I don't have to worry about it. There's no bullshit. Like it's it's a lower maintenance option, which again, like any guys that have any level of success, um the most valuable resource in their life is not money or any of the it's their time. Yeah, right. Why am I gonna spend spend a bunch of time on uh in a situation that could create a bunch of problems for me when there are other options that reduce the likelihood that I'm gonna have those same problems? Yeah. That's the direction I'm always gonna go. And ultimately, ladies hear me say this men vote with their feet. Yeah, they go where like they're getting the best deal. Yeah. So if you want the best man that you can find, I would suggest strongly that you present to him the best deal he could possibly find. Be the best deal on the table. And you're never gonna have a problem finding a good man. Men vote with their feet.

SPEAKER_00

That is a fact. 100%. And by the way, women do too. Yeah. So yeah, people in general, yeah. That's true. If you are the best option, you're gonna get to it's dude, it's schoolyard rules. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

For kickball, the kid that was a foot taller than everybody else and could run faster is getting picked first. Yeah. That's how life works, dude.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so for sure. But no, I I love what you said that like, you know, I don't I don't want to hear about problems that all your exes caused. I'm I'm not those guys. I'm not gonna pay for what your exes did. Yep.

SPEAKER_02

And by the way, if you've got an issue with something I've done, wonderful. I'm happy to discuss that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

You don't like something I did or whatever, hey, is there a different way we could do this? Great. Any problems that have to do with me directly and my behavior, I'll own up to those. Yeah, but you better not put no bullshit from an ex-relationship on me that happened nine years ago when I didn't even know you yet. Right. That's got that's literally none of my business. Right.

unknown

Right.

SPEAKER_02

So I love that. I love that.

SPEAKER_00

So you we've already mentioned uh to bring to bring peace to a relationship, to protect your your purity. Yep. If you were to give advice from a male perspective to women that have a guy that they're attracted to and they want to get his attention and get in a relationship with him, what advice would you give to women in order to get the guy that they like to be attracted to?

SPEAKER_02

Okay. How how much trouble do we want to get in today, Will? Okay. Ladies, if you want the best men on the planet, go chase them. Girls have an ego about that for some reason. Why?

SPEAKER_00

Keeping you keep going.

SPEAKER_02

Yep. Okay. So, like again, if you're if put it this way, if you want a man that's above you in status, which I don't know a single girl that's like, yeah, I'll date down three levels. Yeah. Like, why would you do that, right? You you gotta make yourself stand out to that guy. Because again, it's very likely that the man that you want has those options. You gotta, and it's what I said before, you gotta make sure you're the best deal. And it's an intention economy, right? You gotta make sure you're on the radar.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So, like, if a a if a girl approaches me and shows interest in me, there's nothing sexier than that. Right. Like, oh, I don't have to guess on this one. Cool. And then she keeps treating me nice, and then she, you know, like you can open the door, any any guy you want, ladies, you approach him, you should not have an ego about that. And you don't want guys that are gonna chase you in over over and over again. Girls take pride in being like, oh, I'm the prize. I I'm I'm gonna let man chase men chase me. Okay, you're gonna get the type of guys that chase girls that chase you, exactly. Is that the highest quality man? Yeah, like probably not, right? So it's all like very logical stuff, and ultimately, dude, I think just uh it's really sad. But our society's been, like I said at the beginning of this, poisoned by like a really a bunch of really bad ideas. And uh, if people just were a little bit more um accepting of what human nature is and more honest with themselves, you can lie to everybody else, but you can't lie to yourself. If you're really honest with what you want and how to get it, it it'd come to you a lot easier um in in the dating pool, men and women.

SPEAKER_00

So I uh couldn't agree more, man. Um I think that women yeah, they see themselves as the prize, they want that guy to make the first move. Yeah. I feel like I feel like women will see the man of their dreams walk into a room and have a chance to talk to him. Oh and they will let him just sit there and leave and not do anything because he didn't approach them first.

SPEAKER_02

You could have married that dude just by saying hello. Yeah. And you let him walk out the door.

SPEAKER_00

And we're not saying later you need like a whole bunch of like pickup lines and I mean it it could be a simple It could literally you didn't have to talk. Wave. Yeah. Yeah. Look in my direction. If if you carry yourself well, if if you carry yourself like a real woman and you do it, it could be a simple wave, uh a head nod, staring at me. You just make make it like you said, oh, I don't have to guess.

SPEAKER_02

Make it obvious that you do this to the bare minimum. Make it obvious that you'd like that guy to approach you. That's real simple. And you don't even have to make the move. Just make it obvious to one of the things. Not difficult.

SPEAKER_00

That, yeah, that's probably that's probably the number one thing. This is this is so true. Like can you imagine that? Like a a a classy woman just making it clear, hey, you should come over here and talk to me.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah, you don't got to bias a drink, dude. Like it's not that serious.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly. Yeah, I I think that's excellent advice. And again, women are gonna push back, but I think, yeah, um, if you want the highest quality men, like you said, yeah, if you're only gonna talk to men that chase you, you got to be satisfied with those results.

SPEAKER_02

And then you need to ask yourself, why does that man have the need to do that in the first place? Right? Like that that means he's not attracting much attention from the opposite sex. Well, why is that? What are the reasons, what are the potential reasons that could be happening? And at the bare minimum, you need to ask yourself those questions before you get involved with somebody. And a lot of a lot of girls don't, dude. Yeah, they're like, oh, this guy's chasing me the most, he's the best one. Incorrect, improper technique. Right. Like, so yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_00

With everything you know now, if you could give yourself dating advice back when you were 21 years old, what would you tell yourself?

SPEAKER_02

Dude, well, we don't have 16 hours to film right now, so I'll abridge the list a little bit. But uh, I mean, all the lessons that I mean, I you could write a book on all the things that you did wrong when you're 17, 18, 19, 25, right? Um, number one, I mean, exactly what we were just talking about, there's no need to chase, uh, especially when you're younger, focus on inputs. Like, and I was lucky that, and listen, this is why I've had the experiences that I have. Uh, is uh you want to put some money in the bank for later on in life, right? Like, dude, if you're a man at age 19, 20, 21, um, if you're of a certain DNA, like you are just building yourself into um what you're gonna be one day, right? So don't be in a rush as a guy. I I always say this uh guy should not be in a rush at all to get married, and a woman should. I don't think a guy should probably get married until he's at least 30. And I think a girl should try to her very best to be married before she's 25, okay? That's when each of us start to like peak in our our our values in the dating market, okay? So that would be huge advice. I was I was in a big rush. I would slow down. Um, I would focus on all the things I was focusing on, which is my career and my physical strength and being in shape and um hone in all those things, get charismatic quick. Like, that's another simple thing is um, I think women get bored very easily. And if you're not like a you you can practice your charisma, you can practice speaking to a woman. I tell I say this jokingly, but like when you go out, when we go out, I I tell all my friends, we're gonna put up some some shots tonight, we're gonna put up some attempts. Yeah, do that and get comfortable talking to women early on in your life. Yeah, if you're trying to learn that by the time you get, you know, a certain level of success or money at 2930, you're so far behind the game, dude. Um, so yeah, any any 20, 21, 22 year old kid, I would tell them, like, work on your ability to talk to people in general, and that's gonna help you talk to women. Try to be funny. It's another basic thing. Like, girls don't want to be bored, dude. Yeah, make them laugh, entertain them. This is a show. Yeah, like dating is uh it's a dance, yeah. And uh you got to be entertaining, you gotta be on top of your shit, man. So, and I try to very hard to do that as a young man. I and always instinctually knew that that was a good idea, and basically I would say freaking triple down on all of that stuff and block out all the noise, dude. And and you will accelerate your path to getting there. Yeah, you'll get there when you're 28 instead of 48. Right. It's a sad thing when uh um I wouldn't want to be an old man and enjoying success then. I want to do it as young as possible. Absolutely. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00

So that's that's great, great advice. You know, they're like they're they tell you, hey, work all these years, and then when you're 60, 70, you can retire. Yeah. It's like, no, you want to be able to get to that as soon as possible. That's a great point by you.

SPEAKER_02

And it's the same with women, dude. You wanna you don't want to be um struggling with women until you're 36. Yeah, like that's a sad life. Yeah, so because there's a lot of fun experiences and like good people that you're gonna meet if you can get good at this early.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so if you could change one thing about the modern dating market, would you change anything?

SPEAKER_02

Again, it's so hard to answer because like I think it's uh it's a question that's almost irrelevant in a way because um complaining about the rules of the game. Listen, if you're playing a game of chess and you're kicking my ass, I can, if I want, flip the board over and walk out of the door. Unfortunately, and I can complain about the rules and and why why the heck was Will so good and he beat me. Yeah. In the game of life, you can't do that. Yeah, all you can do is make the next best move on the chessboard.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So I guess what I would say is um I'm gonna do my best through whatever influence and reach I can grab in this life to try to try to influence the change that I would want made. So I guess what I could say is um I would have more men try to teach their daughters as good as possible, right? I think um, I think it starts really, really young. So as parents, parents are teaching their kids the wrong stuff, dude. Guys are guys are being given bad advice, girls are given bad advice. A lot of men teach their daughters to be men, be self-sufficient, never rely on a man, this and that. I don't want my daughter to be alone forever, dude. I want her to find her man quickly and start her family that's gonna make her the happiest.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_02

So uh the the things I'm teaching my daughter, which I think are different from the status quo. Like, again, very important, find a successful man. I don't don't care if anybody calls you a gold digger. So what? Like, place high importance on that. Yeah, it's gonna make things easier and don't only go for that, right? Yeah, like that's the other thing. You're only a gold digger if that's all you care about. Yeah, but if you care about the money and the charisma and he's in shape, and it's important that he's funny, and it's important that he would be a good dad, like all that stuff, you're no longer a gold digger, you're just a reasonable, smart person. Yeah, okay. Um, I teach my daughter that she needs to find somebody big and strong and tough that can protect her.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. Um, you know, don't date guys that aren't in the gym and don't have firearm knowledge and don't like all this stuff, right? Because like that situation to play itself out, and you want to be with the the most capable man.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Um, and then the last very, very important thing that I teach my daughter is find a man that loves you as much or more than I do. Yeah. Okay. Um so all of like I said, all the money in the world, all the other stuff. If a man doesn't truly love you and is not in love with you, like I've been in love before. Yeah. And when a man's in love with a woman, there's very little he won't do. He will lay down his life for that girl. Yeah. Right. So I guess that's what I would say is uh listen, I'm not gonna sit here and say if I could snap my fingers, these are the changes I would make, but I'm gonna do my best to try to teach the right lessons and affect change myself.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So yeah, no, that's that's great advice, man. Uh one more thing, you know, we we talk about um ambition, right? And and how men need to be successful and have that ambition. How do you see ambition from potential women? Like, do you is it more attractive when a woman owns her own business and has a master's degree?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, these questions are so good, dude. I can't even describe it. Um my favorite thing that I'll tell a woman is look, sweetheart. I don't care if you're a sandwich maker at Subway. That really monetary stuff and success and ambition, that's my job. And I want it to be my job. Um, flip side, like nothing could actually be less attractive to me. Truly, like, and I and I love you ladies. Like, listen, there's a lot of girls out there that grew up without fathers and don't have husbands yet, and they have to do that. And God bless you, okay? Like, truly, um, I actually respect it heavily. I'm a business owner, and any any person, especially a woman who decides to proceed down that path, like you're a gangster, dude. Yeah, truly. And the respect, don't mistake what I'm saying right now for like a lack of respect.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_02

But um, listen, I it doesn't matter. Like, if I found the perfect girl and she was a lawyer and she quit her job to go to work at Subway, it would be no difference to me.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_02

If that's what makes you happy, for me as a man, uh, my job is to make enough money that you can work or not. Yeah, right. Listen, I don't require it. You don't have to be a stay-at-home mom, all that stuff. But like, look, if if being a lawyer or a doctor or a business owner is something you're passionate about and you want to do that, do it for that reason. But under no circumstances are you to do anything for money in my house because I'm gonna handle that. Yeah, do what do what makes you happy. Yeah, if that's not working at all, if that's working five hours a week, 50 hours a week, or 500 hours a day. I don't care. Do what makes you happy. I'll I'll handle that other shit, dude.

SPEAKER_00

That's that's the hard part. And I'm similar to you. I have an old school kind of mindset similar to you. My my woman in in my relationship, the money and providing for, that's all handled by by me. You are not making me more attracted to you by you making money and have all these degrees. Yeah. Now, women, I feel like if a woman doesn't want to put her trust in a man and she's been let down by men to patch. She's like, I need, I want a certain lifestyle, I'm gonna go get it myself. Yeah. All the respect in the world to you. Our respect. But the question is, are men more attracted to you because you have your own business or you have your degree answered? No. I think that most men I'm I'm similar to you. If if you bring me peace, if if we vibe, if if you're my person, like you said, you can work at Subway. I do not care. Because whatever money is needed, that's my job. I'm I'm the man. I I make make the money, I provide, I protect. Um, so I just want to make sure that, you know, I I do want women to understand that. If you're gonna go out there and do it for yourself because you want to start a lifestyle, cool, love that. But if you're doing that thinking that this is making you more attractive to men, yeah, I think most men see it the same way we do.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, 100%. Like people, it's a free country. Please do that if you want, but don't think that again, the things I place value in, if you're if you are a successful woman and you make my life heaven, then I care. Yeah. Right? Like, cool. But uh it's gotta be that alone would never and listen, dude. The truth is, like, in my experience, um, women who proceed down that path, again, it's a very difficult path to get down. You gotta be really, really tough to to go down that path. Yeah. I mean, that uh that I don't want a tough woman. Yeah, I want a sweetheart who's just gonna make my heart melt and is not uh I again I'll handle the toughness part. Like that's not something that I I care about or look for and is gonna help in attracting me for sure. Well, that's just me. There's all different different types of folks on this planet.

SPEAKER_00

So no, that's that's what we'll say. I I agree with you. I don't I don't need my woman to have a whole bunch of masculine quality qualities. That's my job. I'm I want a woman because she's a woman. Yep.

SPEAKER_02

And and by the way, too, if you are that type of woman, you will find there are men on the planet that that do love that, right? It's not me. Yeah, um, but listen, there's somebody for everybody out there. I really believe that. Like, whatever you are, that matches extremely well with another person on this planet somewhere. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So for sure. Very well said, man. Hey, I I appreciate you come coming in. I I know that you had to go through a lot in order to come in here today. I appreciate you making the extra effort, man. This was an A plus show. I appreciate everything you said. Is there anything else you want to touch on real quick before we get out of here? Any other topics or man?

SPEAKER_02

Um, my I not a topic necessarily, but just my last message. Um uh young men, don't lose hope. Uh work on yourselves, make sure that you're doing the right things. It's your responsibility to uh attract the very best woman you can. And girls, just relax a little bit. It's all good. Do the simple things too, um, be a little bit more selective, folks. And uh I think that would drive competition and it would drive everybody else in society to be better in dating. If people had higher standards that they were held to, then that means a larger people, a large larger amount of people are gonna try to raise to that standard if that's what is required to have any success in the dating uh pools. So have high standards. Don't feel bad about doing that. It's a good thing, it's not a bad thing. Don't ever let anybody make you feel bad about that. Um, and then the last thing I would say is to just uh uh if you're looking for me, uh gauge the Greek on Instagram is the best way to get a hold of me. Um, I know uh you and I haven't even texted yet. I don't even think I've programmed your phone number into my my phone. Uh if you want to get a hold of me, I'm really available on Instagram. I'm on it all day long. So that's it, man.

SPEAKER_00

And I'll make sure I have your social media uh tagged when I when I propose this, man. Hell yeah. But yeah, all great great points. I appreciate you coming on, man. This was uh excellent. And um, yeah, that's another episode. I'm your host, Will Scott, Elite Level Status Podcast. We'll see you guys next time.