Pour The Wine, It's Rom-Com Time

Hallmark's Signed, Sealed, Delivered From the Heart

• Garry & Amy

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Join Pour The Wine, It's Rom-Com Time as Garry and Amy explore Signed, Sealed, Delivered: From the Heart —a journey through time, love, and redemption, beginning with a Valentine from 1835. Oliver’s origin story also comes to light: a mailbox explosion that changed his path and led him to a life of delivering lost messages with purpose. At the same time, another undelivered letter reconnects former debate rivals Ryan and Maddie, whose young love was shattered by a devastating drunk driving incident. Now a governor, Ryan faces his past as the team helps reopen the door to forgiveness and healing. Meanwhile, Norman and Rita navigate a modern day relationship bump when privacy and social media collide. Pour yourself a glass, cozy up, and dive into masterful storytelling that connects past and present stories about love, forgiveness, and second chances. 

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Amy:

Welcome to Pour the Wine. It's rom-com time where we'll sip some wine and review all things rom-com on the Homer channel. I'm Amy.

Garry:

And.

Amy:

I'm Gary and I'm pouring. Pouring yes.

Garry:

I'm going to get into it. Oh my goodness.

Amy:

I think that's a Savion Blanc today, isn't it oh?

Garry:

switching it up. I know I switched it up from the shop name.

Amy:

Well, it's still humid outside. It cooled off a little bit, but it's humid enough to have some white wine.

Garry:

That's Mother Nature going.

Amy:

Psych, psych, just kidding. Maybe we'll get fall weather one of these days. Maybe. Fall weather one of these days, maybe, maybe. Well, today we're going to be reviewing Sign Seal Delivered from the Heart that originally aired on the Hallmark Channel on February 21st 2016.

Garry:

Jeez and crackers.

Amy:

That's a long time ago. That's a long time ago, almost 10 years ago. 10 years ago.

Garry:

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Amy:

Fingers crossed.

Garry:

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Amy:

You can also shoot us an email at pourthewine. It's romcomtime at gmailcom. Yes, and let us know your thoughts about anything signed, sealed, delivered.

Garry:

Yes, all you postables.

Amy:

All you postables, anything, hallmark, really. Yeah, we're fresh off of Christmas in July. Yep, we're heading into the holidays which we're really excited about. Can't believe it, I know. So it's going to get busy. It's going to get busy up in here. So, yeah, shoot us an email, let us know your thoughts and we'll be happy to share it on the pod maybe. Yes, we will I mean if it's appropriate. Yeah, to share on the pod.

Garry:

Keep it kid friendly.

Amy:

Keep it kid friendly. Yeah, so who's in this one one all right in from the heart? Of course we have the core four. Of course, if you would like to hear more details about the core four, you can go to our review of for christmas correct, where we talked about their credits, their acting credits and their work in detail for homework and off of homework. Yeah, so, if you'd like to hear them. But of course, er Eric Mabeus returns as Oliver O'Toole. Kristen Booth plays Shane McInerney. Look at me, I'm getting that right. Finally.

Amy:

I know, crystal Lowe plays Rita Hayworth, jeff Gustafson plays Norman Dorman and also returning this movie I almost said episode Jill Morrison plays Hazel. Yes, the mail lady.

Garry:

I like Hazel the mail lady.

Amy:

What's her name? Shane's mail.

Garry:

Yeah.

Amy:

Person Also in From the Heart are Nick Percha. He plays young Ryan. Prior to this he was in one other Hallmark production, a Garage Sale Mystery. Guilty Until Proven Innocent.

Garry:

Ooh.

Amy:

Ooh. A few of his dozen acting credits include the series Spooksville, where he was in 22 episodes, and the Netflix movie Dangerous Lies. Yes, mackenzie Cardwell plays young Maddie For. Hallmark, she was in one episode of when Calls the Heart heart. Some of her other work includes the brand new apple tv plus series smoke. She's been in three episodes so far.

Garry:

Isn't that what someone just recommended to you for us to watch?

Amy:

yes, it was one of my co-workers who suggested that's right, we'll have to check it out we're always telling each other things to watch good shows yeah, because we have the same taste.

Garry:

Yeah, we do.

Amy:

Okay, so Mackenzie was also in 13 episodes of the series Upload and an episode of Supernatural. Austin ends in a nosy, sorry.

Garry:

Tongue twister A little up.

Amy:

He plays young Garrison. His homework work includes a few Martha's Vineyard mysteries, flip that Romance, a Rose for Christmas and the Convenient Groom. Some of his other gigs include the latest Superman and Lois series on the WB. He was in that for 18 episodes. He was in six episodes of the Netflix series the Order and he was in one episode of Once Upon a Time Ooh.

Garry:

Ooh.

Amy:

Ooh, arielle Tulio plays young Becca. She was in two episodes of Chesapeake Shores for Hallmark and my Favorite Wedding Okay. Some of her other work includes two episodes of Schmigadoon.

Garry:

Oh, there's that Schmigadoon again. I had to say that again.

Amy:

That was in something else we reviewed recently, yeah, just last week. That's on Apple TV+. She was in an episode of the Chilling Adventures of Sabrina and an episode of the Good Doctor and one episode of Fringe. Fringe comes up frequently. Yes, that's been coming up more and more frequently. Yep, aaron Craven plays Governor Ryan. He has been in several Hallmark productions, including the Haley Dean Mysteries, killer Sentence, easter Under Wraps, harvest Love and an episode of One Calls the Heart.

Garry:

Just to name a few. Just a few.

Amy:

Some of his other work includes two episodes of Family Law. He was in the Netflix series Travelers for three episodes. Did you watch that? Yes, I think you did the movie the Age of Adeline. That was a while ago and you guessed it an episode of Fringe. Nope, there's another one, holly Elisa plays adult Maddie. Her other hallmark work includes the Christmas Train and Love in Store. A few of her other 40 acting credits are an episode of Virgin River, three episodes of Error and an episode of Fringe. Oh gosh.

Garry:

What they call each other and she was in Eureka. I have a part for you on Fringe. Yes, I do, let's go.

Amy:

Let's go. Indeed, frank Oizia plays adult Becca. She's been in several Hallmark productions, including Ribbon Time, mystery 101, deadly History, a Little Christmas Charm, the Perfect Bride and Wedding Bells. Some of her other work includes the Wedding Banquet. She was in eight episodes of Goosebumps, 12 episodes of the Order, an episode of Travelers. All right, and episode of Girlfriend's Guide to Divorce that comes up every now and again, and an episode of Fringe.

Garry:

I'm beginning to be this whole cast right here.

Amy:

Candace Churchill plays the ICU nurse. She has a ton of hallmark work in addition to a ton of acting credits, so some of her hallmark work includes All Saints, christmas. Right in Front of Me A Christmas Tree Grows in Colorado. The Angel Tree Reunited at Christmas. Christmas in Evergreen Letters to Santa, an episode of Chesapeake Shores. And she was also a judge in one episode of Science. Seal Delivered the Series.

Garry:

Pretty cool.

Amy:

Some of her other more than 100 acting credits, as I mentioned, are two episodes of so Help Me Todd, an episode of Nancy Drew, two episodes of the Good Doctor and her very first acting credit was on 21 Jump Street for three episodes she's been around for a minute.

Garry:

Back in the 80s.

Amy:

Emily Ullera plays Dale. She's in this SSD movie, but she played a different character in an episode of the SSD TV series. She played present-day Marie Moore. Do you remember?

Garry:

her yes.

Amy:

Yes, okay, Now she's Dale. She's also going to be in the next two SSD movies as Dale One in a Million and Lost Without you.

Garry:

So we're going to see her some more. She's like Ramone. She got many jobs. She's like Ramone.

Amy:

She will be in the upcoming Hallmark movie Catch of the Day, which will air as part of Hallmark's Summer Nights 2025 collection.

Garry:

And.

Amy:

I believe it's this month, in August, at the end of August. She's been in several homework productions. Of course, retreat to you, don't Forget, I Love you. Nature of Love, winter Castle. And of course we know and love her as Brie O'Brien, in which she played for 55 episodes of Chesapeake Shores.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

Some of her other work includes Mormon Mom Gone Wrong, the Ruby Frank Story.

Garry:

All right.

Amy:

Extracurricular and 31 episodes of Arctic Air. Okay, Okay, Now Chris Gothier plays Serge. That is Norman's cousin in this movie and he was also in an episode in the series. He actually sadly passed away last year in 2024, suddenly and unexpectedly, he did a ton of Hallmark work in addition to this movie. As I mentioned, he was in an episode of the series and it looks like he returns as a different character in another SSD movie Home Again.

Garry:

Aww.

Amy:

So we'll see him again. Some of his other Hallmark work includes Miss christmas comes to town, retreat to you three wise men and a baby, and he was also in the christmas house, and the christmas house too, which we just watched.

Garry:

He was the magician or the marvelous yeah, marvelous, yeah, but yeah, he was a magician and actually he was Santa Claus or something.

Amy:

Right, well, yeah, he was. He was magical. He was also in an episode of when calls the heart. Now, outside of Hallmark. He had over 100 acting credits.

Garry:

He had 108.

Amy:

Actually, he was in seven episodes of Joe Pickett, two episodes of charmed, 14 episodes of Once Upon a Time, where he played William Smee, and he was in the movies Jack and Agent Cody Banks. All right, yeah, man. Yeah. He is a good character actor, though he was.

Garry:

He was really good. I really enjoyed him in this one Yep.

Amy:

All right, is it time to drop the synopsis?

Garry:

Okay, Oliver, Shane, Rita and Norman face personal challenges following Valentine's Day.

Amy:

Valentine's Day, and that's the synopsis. That's the synopsis. Well, that's brief, but our notes are not.

Garry:

Yeah, so do you think we should give a disclaimer or disclosure, or whatever they want to call it?

Amy:

Sure, we'll probably give away some spoilers. However, to be fair, it aired in 2016. Yes. So if you haven't seen it and you don't want anything spoiled, press pause, go watch it and then come back to us. But I feel very confident in saying that I can. It be a spoiler if it's almost 10 years later?

Garry:

No no. Ok, all right.

Amy:

And if it is, you've been warned. Gary said no, so that must be so. Just kidding.

Garry:

All right, so what?

Amy:

did you think you want me to go first?

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

All right, so I'll start with this. I've had a bit of an obsession with Abraham Lincoln since I was a kid.

Garry:

Yes, you have. You know this right, I did many, many reports on him.

Amy:

I read books about him. When Daniel Day-Lewis played him and Sally Field played Mary Todd, I couldn't speak. You know in the movie Lincoln and you know how I am when we go to DC.

Garry:

Yeah, that's where you took me first.

Amy:

And we go to the Lincoln.

Garry:

Memorial.

Amy:

There's a moment of silence I might tear up. So that's where I'm coming from with this right. So, given that, and the fact that I'm already a sucker for anything having to do with like the 1800s and movies and series. Just because I like it and I think it's cool and I love it, I was totally sold, nothing else had to happen? Yep, although a lot did happen.

Garry:

Yes, it did.

Amy:

Now, obviously, like every other SSD movie and the series, there are many, many, many, many layers to the storytelling other than the Lincoln and the 1800s part, and I am here for all of it Me too, all of it, and I really didn't even know where I was going to start today. I know, I mean, I know I sound like a broken record. Can we still say that, by the way?

Garry:

I know Sound like a broken record. You know they're making a comeback.

Amy:

Do the youngins get that reference anymore?

Garry:

Yeah, Not to sound like a digital file If it's scratched it'll be Well.

Amy:

Yeah, I know people still get it. I know a lot of people still get it. I know a lot of people still get it. Anywho, I know that I sound like a broken record, but as we take notes while we watch the second time around, we watch it once to enjoy it and then we go back and we take notes. I can't stop typing. I know I want to talk about everything.

Garry:

Yep Scene by scene, I talked about this.

Amy:

after this one too, I'm like I cannot keep up.

Garry:

I agree with you 100%, because everything relates to something else.

Amy:

that relates to something else, that relates to something else and my mind is blown every movie.

Garry:

What is going on? So what is usually an hour and 26 minutes of a movie ends up being like two and a half hours.

Amy:

Because we stop, we have to take notes. It's a whole thing with us.

Garry:

Yes, it is.

Amy:

I mean in a good way. In a good way, there's always so much that I want to talk about. So this movie has three letters, two of which are dead letters. Yes, Right, we have young and adult versions of four different characters. We have three different time frames present day, 15 years prior and 1835.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

We have Valentine's Day shenanigans, we have romance. We have Valentine's Day shenanigans, we have romance, we have heartbreak, we have congenital heart issues, themes of love, grief, forgiveness, miscommunication, social media and, of course, the tragic consequences of drunk driving. Yes, I mean, that's all in this hour and 20 minutes.

Garry:

And very well done too.

Amy:

So these movies are just such an embarrassment of riches of writing, acting, directing. I mean there's so many interconnections. I mean, as we were watching it I was thinking how am I going to remember that I want to make sure to connect this to that and that to that moment, and to do that over there and put that over here, because I want to remember it all, but I probably won't.

Garry:

Did you dot your I and cross your T's to?

Amy:

To summarize I loved it. How about you?

Garry:

Yes, I did, and it was so funny.

Amy:

What's your first impression, your first take?

Garry:

Well, I feel the same way and if you want to get into the fate part of this right, fate, fate.

Amy:

Oh, okay, okay, I thought you said fake. I was like we're not fake, what?

Garry:

are you talking about? How funny is it that we're watching this? It takes place back in 1835,. Right.

Amy:

Well, part of it, part of it, yeah.

Garry:

And then Providence Falls 1844. Crazy right.

Amy:

Yeah, we're watching a few different yeah yeah, we started.

Garry:

This has happened a couple times.

Amy:

Spoiler alert we're watching Providence Falls right now. Two episodes into that.

Garry:

I too was blown away about how many different storylines were going on. I mean, like you said, there was three letters, there was four like relationships going on.

Amy:

Yeah, I didn't even get into the yeah.

Garry:

And just the way it was shot Valentine's shenan into the yeah, and just the way it was shot shenanigans yeah, just the way it was shot, especially the opening yeah, very cool, yes, and the narration of it.

Amy:

Yes, man, I too loved it okay, spoiler alert okay I think we all know how we're going to rate this, but we'll just go through the motions anyway.

Garry:

And I do have one scene. Excuse me that. I'm not sure if anybody else picked up on.

Amy:

Oh, like your willow tree.

Garry:

Yes, like my willow tree. Okay, and remind me later and I'll talk about it.

Amy:

About your willow tree moment. Yes, okay, your willow tree moment.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

Okay.

Garry:

And maybe I can kind of say what I think it meant, but maybe not. I don't know when we get there, we'll get there.

Amy:

Ooh, now I'm intrigued, okay.

Garry:

But I will say this Say it the character Maddie and Ryan reminded me of Oliver and Shane in the way Maddie was always. She did her research, she was by the books, you know. She told the truth, whereas Ryan was fly by your seat, spur of the moment, was a showman. So that's what I got, you think.

Amy:

Oliver is fly by his seat. No, I think Oliver is like Maddie Maddie and.

Garry:

Shane is like Ryan. You saying Oliver is like Maddie, maddie and Shane is like Ryan, or Ryan is like Shane.

Amy:

That probably is purposeful. Yeah, I would have to believe. Yeah, there's no accidents.

Garry:

Okay, in.

Amy:

Signed, Sealed, Delivered.

Garry:

I know, I know. So do you want to get into favorite scenes I?

Amy:

Your favorite scenes. I mean, how long you got. I don't know how long you got.

Garry:

I have a lot. Probably won't talk about them all.

Amy:

I'm going to talk about all of them, okay. So here's the thing If we forget something, it's not because we didn't like it, it's just there's a lot and we try to narrow it down some. I mean, my notes and my outlines for Signed, sealed, delivered are always the longest out of anything else that we do. Providence Falls we've taken a lot. That's very intricate as well.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

So we've taken some notes on that, not as much as, but it's been close.

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

But generally I do not have this many notes, I do not have this many scenes that I love. But if we forget one, it's not we think the whole thing is great, it's just hard to you know extract. Right, like I can't just extract one or two, or three, or four or five scenes.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

Okay, so we'll just leave it at that. All right, so you want to go first? Sure, what's one of your favorites?

Garry:

I love the scene where Rita and Norman are trying to well, norman is trying to get a reservation to a restaurant.

Amy:

Yes, I have that too.

Garry:

Yes, and they're going back and forth. Yes, but, Rita goes. Oh, don't worry about it, I'll cook for you and Norman's.

Amy:

There's just a look on his face. He's like oh, Remember those cookies. Yeah, those Christmas cookies.

Garry:

What did he say? Do you like veal?

Amy:

Yeah, he said do you like? How about veal? Someone has a sale.

Garry:

Oh my God, it was so funny. Yes, I had that too.

Amy:

But what's funny about that too is is that you know he's trying to plan the dinner. He's waited too long to make the reservation. And Shane walks in and Norman asks where they should go and Shane's just like oh you can have my reservations, because if I had a boyfriend he would have made reservations here. But since I don't have a boyfriend, I'll be working at the post office delivering valentines to other women's boyfriends, you know.

Garry:

I know.

Amy:

That's why I had that as one of my favorite scenes too, because she's like it's fine, I'm fine, everything's fine.

Garry:

It was so funny With that scene, that whole scene, yes, and then Rita was trying to get Norman to leave so she could talk to her.

Amy:

Yes.

Garry:

Which she does.

Amy:

Yeah.

Garry:

And the other funny part about that scene was she sounds like Oliver now, you mean when Rita told her that yeah, yeah, yeah, that was so um.

Amy:

Before that I had the beginning and you kind of mentioned that that was one of my favorite scenes, the very opening scene. You don't know who it is. Someone you presume from the 1800s is writing a letter but you don't know who it is right and um, I just like the narration.

Amy:

You see that it's valentine's day 1835, but you have no idea how that's going to relate. You think that's going to be the dead letter. You know, the only letter, right? So I like that. All right, so we can move forward. I just want to throw that in there.

Garry:

That was a cool card, by the way, she made.

Amy:

Yes, it was very, that was very cool.

Garry:

Very cool.

Amy:

And it was like, was it the? First Valentine or something she was talking about.

Garry:

Well, she said it. She's heard that they're now going to be doing valentine's day, right, right, yeah, so, okay, yeah, hmm. So another one of mine, which is further on in the movie, is when, norm, oh my god, he rips the heart off of the teddy bear are you going to that part already?

Amy:

okay, yeah, that was fine, I had to skip that, because that was just fun. You're dying to say that yeah, so they're at the. Is that when they're at the?

Garry:

I think it's a hotel or something, or the hotel, yeah, or no, they're Wait.

Amy:

Why can't I think? Oh, they're at the hotel, right, Right Because they're trying to find Maddie. Right, or find the name Right, right, figure out who the name is. Yeah, right, so I had the whole scene with Rita finding out. Now she's the fourth runner up, right.

Garry:

What are the?

Amy:

odds. Very good if it's the possible. So she's the fourth runner up in the Miss Special Delivery pageant. Yeah, everyone else above her has dropped out for one reason or another, and the reasons are funny, you know like. So.

Garry:

And the way Norman explains it.

Amy:

Explains it. So the winner left the post office to star in Les Mis on Broadway. And remember she sang the Impossible Dream beautifully and everybody was crying, we were crying, everybody was crying, right, so she left to go on Broadway and he goes. She's the miserable one, because it's Les Mis like oh my gosh.

Garry:

Norm is so funny.

Amy:

The first runner up is on tour with the hip hop group Postal Mamas.

Garry:

Postal Mamas.

Amy:

The second runner up is really pregnant, like really pregnant, and the third runner up is in jail something to do with counterfeit Elvis commemoratives runner-up is in jail, something to do with counterfeit elvis commemoratives. And I'm just like that is literally the best writing, yes, the most creative moment, like I have forgotten about miss special delivery. And to put in the fact that now she's won it.

Garry:

She's like four deep and she wins it I'm telling you the planets, stars, they all aligned for her.

Amy:

First place? No, second place is out, third place is out. Then get to her. But anyway so that was another one of my favorite scenes.

Garry:

Yes, that was one of mine too.

Amy:

Okay, good.

Garry:

Another one is when Oliver talks to Shane about the mailbox and what happened when it blew up oh right, yes, I do have that, we right and when they go to the mailbox grill because he needs a yoo-hoo, yes, because he was empty, yes, shane tells him. Oh, I have the bartender, keep some in in his refrigerator right in cases like these and he said something about this is a double fudge day and then he's like pouring it in a glass and then shane just takes the cap off and just chugs it from the bottle.

Amy:

It was so funny, it was. That was a good part. But right before that he said, um, he was gonna tell her what happened. Yeah, that day and he goes to get a Yoo-Hoo in the DLO.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

And there isn't one. And that's when he says we're out and I can't do this, Yoo-Hoo free, and I'm like only Oliver Only.

Garry:

Oliver.

Amy:

And then they go to the bar. So that was funny that was.

Garry:

That was so hilarious. I had that also. I had that also.

Amy:

So that was so hilarious, I had that also. I had that also, so another one of mine would be I'm going backwards again, no, that's fine. Norma, norma.

Garry:

I didn't know. There was a Norma.

Amy:

I combined Norman and Rita Normita. I don't know. Norman and Rita are with Norman's cousin again.

Garry:

Oh my gosh.

Amy:

Right, serge, serge, and he has a box at valentine's cards and that whole scene, because he's taking a vow of silence yes I'm just I can't with that. It just was so funny. So he's got a box of the vintage valentine's day cards. It's his what his private collection that he got from a pawn shop right and he's taking this vow of silence. So he has these little note cards and Norman and Rita are reading them as he, you know, explains what he has and he knows Norman's good at spreading mail and stuff.

Amy:

I thought that was so funny. So he wants to give him the vintage Valentine's Day cards. And then Norman says something like you know, but these are probably worth a lot of money and he's like I've taken a vow of poverty.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

He has to say it, but it's just so funny anyway.

Garry:

Yeah.

Amy:

And then he has to speak actually at the end because he doesn't have a card for it.

Garry:

For it. Yes, what he wanted to say.

Amy:

So I loved that scene, I love that scene. I love that scene and that leads into another favorite scene.

Garry:

All right, go ahead.

Amy:

Do you want me?

Garry:

to just do that one too, just dive right into it.

Amy:

So that's where, I guess, the surge leaves.

Garry:

Yes, right.

Amy:

And Norman wants to give Rita a kiss and he kind of puckers up and closes his eyes and Rita picks up the card to cover their faces because she wants to be private and this plays into something that happens later Right faces because she wants to be private and this plays into something that happens later, right, right, right. And he leans into kiss with his eyes closed. And that's when real Rita realizes the card.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

Is what it is she's holding a really vintage card and he doesn't get a kiss and he kind of opens his eyes Like what just happened.

Garry:

What just?

Amy:

happened. She didn't care what's going on, and then they focus on the card the. Valentine's Day card from 1835. So I like that. All right, yep.

Garry:

Yes, what about you? I also like this. I love when Oliver talks to Norman and kind of explains things and they're walking on this bridge and he's talking about a boat, a boat for two people, and how these two people love each other and that they're in the water and they're flowing and they're going, and then they come across some rocks, the bumps in the road so to speak. Yeah, like a metaphor Right, yeah, and he always talks about that type of thing. But what's funny is that particular metaphor plays out throughout the whole movie.

Amy:

Right, Bumps in the road, bumps in the road, rocks in the way With each of the characters. That's good to know.

Garry:

So it's Shane and Oliver, rita and Norman. Yeah, ryan and Maddie, maddie yeah. And then the person from the 1800s, anne and Abe.

Amy:

Mr Abraham Lincoln Abe. You can call him Abe.

Garry:

They all had those bumps in the road.

Amy:

Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Garry:

So I thought it was pretty good.

Amy:

That's a good analogy yeah, I didn't think about it like that with all of them. Yeah, but I should have known.

Garry:

The metaphor was there.

Amy:

The metaphor was there. I love the song they played while they were rollerblading, which we'll get to as a cheer in a minute. Yes, I don't want to talk unless you wanted to talk about that here? No, no no, I love that they played this song while Maddie and Ryan are rollerblading and throughout that scene the song is playing and you see them get closer.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

Right. They're getting closer and closer. They're smiling now when they see each other, instead of being like enemies.

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

It goes in between personal fun and the debates. They're on the debate team.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

Right, I guess, which we didn't mention? And then they're holding hands and debates. They're on the debate team yes, I guess which which didn't mention? And then they're holding hands, and then they're sitting with their skates off under a tree and then they kiss and um, the song is brand new key by melanie and by melanie. So, but we'll get more and I'll get more into that in 20 years unless you have something. But I just like that whole scene. Right the song was perfect, of course.

Garry:

Yeah.

Amy:

And I just, I really I really liked that scene, I enjoyed it.

Garry:

Yeah.

Amy:

That was a good scene yeah.

Garry:

So was the the one with the dancing. That was a good scene.

Amy:

Oh well, yeah, We'll get to that too, yeah.

Garry:

Do you have any?

Amy:

more I have. I have a few more.

Garry:

I'm trying to look to see which ones I want to talk about without giving it up.

Amy:

What do you mean without giving it up? Well, my next one. You already talked about it. What?

Garry:

was that.

Amy:

When we find out what happened to lead Oliver to the DLO.

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

Why does he end up?

Garry:

in the DLO. We can yeah.

Amy:

Do you have that as one of your favorites?

Garry:

Yeah, it was one of mine.

Amy:

Yeah.

Garry:

So back in the day, 15 years ago, oliver was an actual postal person who delivered mail or picked up mail. His mail picked up mail, and this was one of his stops, which he loved to do, because across the street it was a coffee shop and there was this police officer, this female police officer that I guess he had a thing for back then, dale Dale. And that particular day, when he walked up to the box to clean it out, he looked over and didn't see her. So instead of cleaning the mail out of the mailbox, he walked across the street to see if so, instead of cleaning the mail out of the mailbox, he walked across the street to see if she was actually inside of the coffee shop no, he went to wait for her or he went to wait and look out the window.

Garry:

Yeah, yeah which at that point a a van or a big truck with a clown in it backs up and hits the mailbox, which which then makes a I think it was helium or helium yeah.

Garry:

A helium tank in the back of the clown car or truck fall, and you know what happens when helium hits the cold weather. There was an explosion which blew up the mailbox and the letters went everywhere. So Oliver is telling Shane that event led to him helping with cleaning up all the letters and he said these letters meant something. There was, you know, a birthday card, a bill, a letter to a loved one, and it drove him to actually become the head of the DLO.

Amy:

Right, Right. And can you imagine like we're talking about Oliver here and how we know him?

Garry:

Yeah.

Amy:

And he felt like if he had just emptied that mailbox when he was supposed to his normal time.

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

That those letters would have been delivered on time. Right Like they should have been. Can you imagine how much that bothered him as his character? Yes, I mean oh good grief For 15 years. How guilty he felt. He felt guilty and, like you said, he couldn't rest until he made things right with those letters Right, so he didn't know the one had gotten away.

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

That came back. That has to do with the debaters.

Garry:

Ryan and Maddie right.

Amy:

And so he volunteered to help recover them and, like you said, he said he realized they weren't just letters. They were birthday cards, they were a house payment, they were an apology, you know, and he said when he finished, or when he thought he was finished, that's when he realized he didn't want to stop.

Garry:

Yep.

Amy:

So he applied to the death letter office. And I think that's when you know. Shane says too but look at what you've done, what you've given people by going to the DLO and you know we need to leave the past in the past, right, and I thought that was and that's kind of another theme, right through this whole thing so.

Garry:

Yep.

Amy:

Yeah, that's a good scene, that's a great scene.

Garry:

But that also has to it kind of runs parallel with the with Ryan's character and what happened to him, right? Do you want to talk about that?

Amy:

I definitely want to talk about that. Can we table that though?

Garry:

Yeah, let's table it, for maybe a different section.

Amy:

Okay yeah, okay yeah, we'll get back to that.

Garry:

This is what we were talking about. When there's so much stuff, I know, I know. There's so much stuff.

Amy:

I know, I know, all right. So other scenes, other favorite scenes when Norman talks about Lincoln, when he is talking to of his life, someone he was allegedly engaged to, this is when he was in his 20s.

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

You know, before he was Abraham Lincoln the president, the 16th president, so he's kind of and I like how Norman kind of says you know, but you know, we know he saw her and you know I'd like to think that he, you know she told him because she was dying. Yes, she told him not to dwell on the past or blame himself for what he couldn't change, and I'd like to think she told him none of it mattered if he didn't carry on after she was gone.

Garry:

Yeah.

Amy:

And then he says and we know he did Right on after she was gone. Yeah. And then he says and we know he did right Because he went on to great things. So I just really, really liked that scene. And Norman just delivers that In scenes like that he is the perfect character to deliver something like that. Perfect Because he's just so sweet and he's like yeah, you know, and it just oh, he's just so sweet and he's like yeah, you know, you know and it just, oh, I just love him.

Amy:

I just I love them all, but he's so good in those particular type of moments.

Garry:

Although he was reminded, shane reminded him about God works in mysterious ways, because he was like, if I only would have cleaned out those you're talking about oliver now.

Amy:

I was talking about norman, oh yeah sorry.

Garry:

No, but you're right. No, but you're right.

Amy:

You're right, though, with the, the scene that you're talking about, though, between shane and oliver.

Garry:

What you were just saying is she tells because he says um if he would have only cleaned out those, this would have never happened.

Amy:

Right.

Garry:

And Shane kind of said well, god works in mysterious ways and maybe that was supposed to happen to get you where you are today, right, right. So she kind of threw it back on him. She says you always say God works in mysterious ways. So you know, yeah that was really good.

Amy:

I love when you know Norman goes back to the DLO. We haven't even really talked about the Rita Norman thing and again that's something I have in a cheer, but when he goes back to the DLO and Rita's there and she totally pulls a love actually moment with a sign. I'm like stop it.

Garry:

Yes. I can't take it and we just watched that, not too long ago.

Amy:

Well, love, actually, hello, you know, top tier, you know, and she's got the.

Garry:

You know the signs that she says with the sign, he doesn't say something about.

Amy:

You know, when she was gone he was afraid she would forget him or something. And she's like wherever I go, I always carry you with me. And I'm like, and then he says, I, I want you on my raft. And she's like okay, but what does that?

Garry:

mean? What does that mean?

Amy:

there's that metaphor again, right and then they say I love you to each other and then they kiss. But that whole scene was so cute. When she's sitting in the chair and she does the love actually thing and then you know he says he wants her on his raft. And I'm like I'm out, I can't anymore.

Garry:

And what's funny is that scene is after the scene, with him talking to the nurse at the hospital, right, because she wanted to know what the box was, right, and he explained to her the Valentine, the Valentine, right. And then I can't remember what the nurse said, but it was very, very touching.

Amy:

So you're talking about like when? So the nurse asks Norman about the Valentine. He's holding. Yes, yes, yes yes, and after he, so he explains it to her.

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

You know, this could rewrite history. This is a Valentine that was allegedly. I don't know if he tells her at that point. Yeah, he does, okay, okay, um. And then she says one, because I wrote this quote down one day you're spilling your heart out to your one and only, and then, a couple centuries later, the whole world is reading what was only meant for the two of you what's happened? To the world and go ahead.

Garry:

That's when norman realizes what, or why, rita said what she said on the interview that her Shane and Oliver watched, which was I don't have a boyfriend Right, so she's being interviewed for Miss Special. Delivery right yeah.

Amy:

And they ask her about the kiss right Because she was kissing Norman. The scene that we talked about a little earlier and someone took a picture of them and was like, oh, I got the first picture of the new Miss Special Delivery or whatever you know, and so then you fast forward and she's being interviewed about it right.

Amy:

And then she says, you know, she's kind of like oh no, that wasn't a kiss, that was. I don't even know what she said. And then they're like do you have a boy? She's like that wasn't my boyfriend, I don't have a boyfriend.

Garry:

She's like.

Amy:

I have friends of mine and, of course, norman is crushed, as you would be.

Garry:

I was crushed.

Amy:

But you find out. She tries to explain to him we have a special thing and I don't want it out there for the world, like that's between you and I, and he's to shout it from the world to the world and it has to do with social media and putting everything on social media that you do every step you take, and she didn't want to do that. It wasn't that she didn't want to shout it, it was that wasn't meant to be on social media.

Garry:

Right Really.

Amy:

And he was upset by that and his feelings were hurt. But when the nurse says that, like, imagine there's something that's supposed to be between the two of you right and then, a few centuries later, everybody knows what was supposed to be private like what is going on yeah, so that's a good point. That was one of your favorite scenes that was good that was good, yeah, and that explained the norman rita thing. Yeah, yeah, um, the governor going to maddie's bedside and finally reading his letter yes, that was a cheer for me.

Amy:

He got his letter back. Oh, okay, we'll go back to that Shane finally finding the valentine from Oliver yes, so he had a whole big miscommunication about that For the whole movie. For the whole movie right. Shane and Oliver cannot tell each other they can't get together. You know, no, no. So she finds the valentine. He actually made a homemade valentine.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

He cut out a heart and it is the best-looking heart she's ever seen.

Garry:

Yes, you know you find out later.

Amy:

But you know, he postmarks the stamp and then he gives it to Hazel to deliver, right, and it's kind of cute because hazel's like why don't you just give it to her? And he's kind of like well, once it's postmarked it has to be delivered. You know, it's just so funny, it's so cute. And then, of course, hazel doesn't deliver it.

Amy:

She gives it to rita, who's going to be stopping by shane's house and Rita has a box and throws his Valentine and her mother's Valentine into the box, gives the box to Shane. Doesn't tell Shane.

Garry:

Nope.

Amy:

They're in the box. Yeah, shane puts the box on the porch, goes inside her house for a few hours, or is it the next morning, I don't even know.

Garry:

A few hours later, or whatever. A few hours later.

Amy:

She gets the box, she never looks in the box. The box gets thrown away eventually after a whole slew of things In the meantime, oliver thinks she has opened it and she's not addressing it. She's ignoring it. She doesn't want to go out with him, she doesn't have a letter. She's upset because she thinks Oliver should have asked her out and he obviously isn't going to, and so she's upset about that.

Amy:

But they're both acting like they're not upset with each other and then you know he thinks she has a date. She doesn't really have a date. He lied, he said he's going to be with a friend and he doesn't really. I mean, it's a whole thing.

Garry:

It's a whole thing. That's a whole story. It's crazy.

Amy:

Sorry, I didn't mean to go on that tangent, but it's like I could do that with every single character.

Amy:

Yes tangent, but it's like I could do that with every single character. Yes, you know, it's just nuts. And isn't there a scene where, um oh, I meant to write it down where um, norman actually confronts oliver, yes, and is like you know, he doesn't say I'm smarter than I. Look, it's something else, I gotta find it real quick. Oh, he says there's more than me, that meets the eye. I think you want to ask shane out for dinner and I'm like, of course there's more than me, that meets the eye. I think you want to ask Shane out for dinner and I'm like, of course there's more to you than meets the eye. Norman, it's just so cute because you know he knows those things and he just chimes in when he needs to, that's.

Garry:

Norm given Oliver's Norman Norman. I always say Norman Norman given.

Amy:

Oliver, some advice. Yeah, yeah, I thought that was very cool.

Garry:

Yes, oliver, oliver, some advice. Yeah, yeah, I thought that was very cool. Yes, that was very cool. You got any other favorites, anne?

Amy:

Well, we talked about Shane finding the van and then, by the way, Norman goes into the dumpster to get the box for Shane, him and Shane. And when he finds it and she reads it and he's just in there smiling, smiling, he's so happy that she finally found it smiling, smiling, he's so happy that she finally found it and she was so happy and she teared up and he just smiled and he said look, it's handmade.

Garry:

Yeah, it means somebody cares, isn't it night?

Amy:

doesn't he say that again?

Garry:

it's nice to know somebody loves you yes, so something like that again, yes this, this movie so, which is another reason why I like the beginning, the opening scene, because she's making the card and then it fades out and into Oliver making his card. Yes, yes and that's the whole thing about. Look, it's handmade. Somebody must've really cared about somebody so.

Amy:

I thought that was cool, but that dumpster diving scene when he came up with the little hands was funny, was funny. Little baby hands.

Garry:

Little baby hands I forgot about that.

Amy:

You're right, you know. And then of course, I guess now we're at the dinner and the dance between Shane and Oliver and Oliver she asked him why he didn't just ask if she got the invitation. And he says a gentleman never makes assumptions about a lady's affairs.

Garry:

I know and I was like.

Amy:

I want you to talk to me that way, A gentleman never makes assumptions.

Garry:

I'm not that educated, I'm sorry. I was like baby. I love you.

Amy:

I'm sorry he says I'm old enough, old enough to know that matters. The heart can hurt more, or something like that yeah and then she says like a punch in the shoulder, because she had given some example of a little boy, a boy when she was young when she got her first valentine's yeah, and then she Valentine yeah, and then she punched him in the shoulder or something.

Garry:

No, he punched her in the shoulder.

Amy:

Oh, that's Oliver's story. No, no, oh no. The little boy punched Shane in the shoulder.

Garry:

She said this kid came running up to me on the playground and shoved it in my hand and punched me in the shoulder.

Amy:

Did you notice something else in this scene?

Garry:

No, tell me something else in this scene.

Amy:

Uh, no, tell me. So. She says she's sorry and he says I'm sorry too, shane, but he called her shane again, which he doesn't do too often and I was like, oh my gosh, yeah, called her shane again, and then they dance.

Garry:

Yeah, and what was the song the violinists were playing?

Amy:

The song was the Water is Wide.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

So they get up and they start to dance, and because he says, doesn't he say something like oh, in the Valentine it said we haven't danced in a while or something. So it was so sweet.

Garry:

And that metaphor of the water. Yes, I have that again in the chair. All right, okay, all right. So then wait.

Amy:

So my final scene, of course, is the end with the narration of the abe letter. It's it's ann yes reading the, we get the entire letter right, I think and um, it's over the, so then she's narrating it and they go back to the governor talking to Maddie in the hospital room and then you go back to the DLO with Rita and Norman who I think she had just done the Love. Actually thing right and then back to 1835. And I was like oh my gosh, I'm done.

Garry:

Well, you know what's funny is? I didn't think I was going to cry in this movie. I know. And then, I got to that and I'm like starting to tear up and I'm like something's in my eye Gosh.

Amy:

I'm telling you, I'm telling you. Something's in my eye. People, all right, all right, cheers. This is going to be an hour long, we're sorry.

Garry:

Yes, I just love how Ryan, as a young kid, he actually turned himself in when he figured out what he had done, because during the debate he kind of had flashbacks of what he'd done and he turned himself in and as an adult, as the governor, when Shane and Oliver go to deliver the letter to him or tell him about the letter, he then explains what happened and he said it changed my whole life. And he said it changed my whole life, which was during the debate. Maddie's partner, becca, had told Maddie about how he uses people. Well, that's how it started off, but he ended up falling in love with her and then she told him she didn't want to see him anymore.

Garry:

You're talking about Ryan Right and Ryan went off, had a drink, got drunk, drove, hit and killed a homeless person. But I loved when he was reading that letter to Maddie when she was in the hospital Right how, on the 23rd of each month, he goes back to their tree his and Maddie's tree because that's where he buried the ashes of.

Amy:

He spread the ashes, he spread the ashes of the homeless person. When he became of age, because he was underage when it happened, right and it took two years to get the ashes because nobody cleaned the person. Right.

Garry:

But he told Maddie that he goes back and that's where he feels forgiven and he says something that you know he gave me a second chance, but I never gave him the chance.

Amy:

I took his chance away to change his life.

Garry:

Yeah, so that was a cheer for me?

Amy:

Yeah, because he said he had a second chance to change his life and he took advantage of it. Basically Hadn't had a drink since Right, and he was underage. So the records were sealed and he made his life—.

Garry:

Better. Well changed his life, yeah, and it reminded me of how that moment changed both Oliver's life and his life.

Amy:

Yes, yeah, at that particular moment. Yeah Well, sort of Right. Yeah, well, sort of Right.

Garry:

Yeah.

Amy:

She never. What's her name? Never. I'm sorry, maddie never got the letter.

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

Right, and he thought she just didn't want to see him anymore because of what happened and what was in the letter. Right, he thought that and then she thought she never got the letter. She thought he just left her Yep At the tree, they were supposed to meet or whatever.

Garry:

So yeah, yep. So what about you?

Amy:

You got your, you know, as always, just overall the storytelling from start to finish and everywhere in between, of course there are always so many nuggets that relate back to something else, so that's always a big cheer for me in these movies. The Abraham Lincoln of it all yes, Of course, has to be a cheer. I love how that part of the story was told and really woven in throughout. We get a smidgen at the beginning. Rita discovers the significance of who and where you know that Valentine is from and emphasizes it to Norman. You cut to young Ryan and young Maddie and they're having a conversation and Ryan says Lincoln was a great debater.

Amy:

Yes, you know, so it was woven in there you know, and this plays into their story about he needs to research more and she needs to lighten up more, because he says Lincoln was a great debater and he won on more than just stats. It was his personality, it was. You know, norman realizes the massive historical significance of the Valentine and I mean it just. It was through the whole. You know, and I've already discussed it, but Norman using Abe visiting Anne as an example, and then of course, the final reading of the letter, and you know, you find out.

Amy:

It's to Abraham Lincoln and it's from Anne.

Garry:

Yeah, yeah, and the other significance is Anne dies of typhoid.

Amy:

That's the whole point of the letter and you assume Maddie, dies from her heart failure, right right, so that was sad. Yeah, yeah, what else Any other cheers?

Garry:

My last cheer was that Norman puts the cigar box of Valentine's up on a shelf.

Amy:

Yeah.

Garry:

So that no one else will be able to read it. Read it. Yeah, he puts it away. I thought that was pretty cool.

Amy:

Well, that goes to what we talked about earlier a little bit is the social media of it all. And, rita and Norman, that was another cheer from me you know there is a greater discussion about and this is in 2016, almost 10 years ago, and it's even worse now.

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

Right, and you know we're on social media and we get it and everything, but there is a lot of information out there and what is private anymore?

Garry:

Nothing.

Amy:

You know people put pictures. I mean I'm guilty of it, you know we're guilty of it, and so I just thought it was a really good. It would be a good thing to watch today for a lot of people because she's right, some things you want to keep private, you know. I mean we've had some things relatively recently. Positive things happen in our and I think that Rita wants to keep something special and Norman now realizes that I really liked that. That's a cheer for me. I think that drinking and driving was handled delicately and somewhat discreetly.

Amy:

You know, I hope people didn't think it was sort of swept under the rug but, it was more about kind of you know, redemption and having something awful happen in your life, you know. You know the worst moment of your life doesn't necessarily define you.

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

And you can take it and change Right, so I love that story of that. Did you have any more?

Garry:

before I go on no, I did not, because I'm just okay, the Oliverisms as I'm calling it throughout.

Amy:

I mean the things that he says, the quotes. I need to start keeping a log.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

Of some of the things that he says.

Garry:

I agree, he's so clever and it's always like he reads it word for word, like sometimes I feel like he's got the photograph.

Amy:

yeah, yeah, like when, when norman, you know, was gonna go to like a lecture on valentine's day and he's like nothing, like a little philatelic diversion yes you know, to take your mind off your troubles. You know, and it's just, it's just the things that he says. I mean, there were so many in this one. You know, a gentleman must never forsake his morning ablutions or whatever and I had to look that up and that means the act of washing oneself. I know, but that's Oliver, you know.

Garry:

And poor Norma was like, I'm sorry.

Amy:

Because he slept in the DLO right and he's like. One must never forsake your morning ablutions.

Garry:

I was like what does that word mean?

Amy:

I just love those all the time. And then let's see the debates in each one. Did you? Notice what they were about. One was about the legal age of drinking and whether or not to change it and the other one was about homelessness. Oh my gosh, you know what I mean.

Garry:

That was totally the movie.

Amy:

And then let's talk about the lyrics. That may be the last thing.

Garry:

The lyrics of the songs. No, because I got one thing too. Oh, you do yes, Okay, do you?

Amy:

want me to do the lyrics first?

Garry:

Yes, you want that to be your last? Go ahead and do the lyrics.

Amy:

All right, so we have the lyrics, the one song that played, from 1971, which you could kind of tell the beat and everything, and it says I rode my bicycle past your window last night. I roller skated to your door at daylight. It almost seems like you're avoiding me. I'm okay alone, but you've got something, something I need. Well, I've got a brand new pair of roller skates. You've got a brand new key. I think that we should get together and try them on to see. And it was so appropriate for that moment. I mean, oh my gosh, and you know what. It also applied to what Shane, when she went by his window.

Amy:

Oh, yes, you see, I was like, oh my gosh, I roller skated to your door at night. I rode my bicycle past your window. I mean she ran to Oliver's house. But, still, it applies.

Garry:

Yes, Well, that's how they do it in Sign Seal, Deliver it goes to both and then.

Amy:

so then you have Ain't Misbehavin'. That's what Oliver was listening to right on Valentine's evening. He's got a glass of wine. Hello cheers.

Garry:

He's reading a book which he was having a drink with his friend, which was him.

Amy:

Him If one can't be friends with oneself that's another thing he said. So you've got Ain't Misbehavin'. And those first lyrics are no one to talk with, all by myself. No one to walk with, but I'm happy on the shelf. Ain't misbehavin'. I'm saving my love for you. I know for certain the one I love. I'm through with flirtin' it's just you I'm thinking of. Ain't misbehaving, I'm saving my love for you, I mean.

Garry:

I know.

Amy:

Could you pick a better song for this?

Garry:

Talk about matters at the heart, hello.

Amy:

He's talking about Shane. Obviously, you know that's what that's about, and he played that. I just Ugh. And then, of course, the song that they danced to, which you and I talked about the water is Wide and he says the lyrics to that right. That's from 1906.

Garry:

Mm-hmm.

Amy:

The water is wide, I cannot get over, and neither have I wings to fly. Give me a boat that can carry two, and both shall row my love and I.

Garry:

Yep, there's that metaphor.

Amy:

I'm going to drop the mic on that one Boom.

Garry:

That's what I was talking about. That there's that metaphor. I'm going to drop the mic on that one Boom. That's what I was talking about. That's it All right. So let's roll around back to the one thing that I saw.

Amy:

Yes, the one thing that you saw.

Garry:

So during the debates, prior to the debates, they flip a coin and that gets to decide who does the pro and who does the con of the debate. Okay, the second flip, the coin that was used Lincoln Nope, just kidding, I don't know Susan B Anthony oh, who was born in 1820 and was a friend or an associate of Abraham Lincoln in the 50s 1850s.

Amy:

Really.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

Oh, and she was very big on women's rights.

Garry:

Well, yeah, that I know that part I got. When I caught it I was like, oh my God, that's a Susan B Anthony 1800s.

Amy:

That was in one of the.

Garry:

It was the second flip of the coin of one of the debates.

Amy:

Debates oh, I didn't even notice the flipping of the coin.

Garry:

It was a debate where Madison or Maddie put down the cards and kind of did what Ryan told her to do?

Amy:

Oh, because he.

Garry:

And then Ryan picked up the cards and did what Maddie told him to do.

Amy:

Right, it was that debate, because he was supposed to research more and she needed to just smile more and the camera had focused right in on the coin and I'm like oh that's a Susan B Anthony coin. Oh, that's interesting. Yes, it had to be on purpose too. You know it was. Look at you, yeah.

Garry:

Look at you. I find the little things, don't I Gosh, I know.

Amy:

If we watched it again, we would find a lot more things, a whole much more. I think in all of them I think that's true for all of them I mean, look, this thing is running so long I know I'm sorry, no, no, you did good.

Garry:

I'm telling you. They hit it out of the park again.

Amy:

Yes, I agree.

Garry:

So is this a wrap?

Amy:

This is a wrap. I'm going to just say I'm going to give it five quarks.

Garry:

Yes, five quarks.

Amy:

Yes, I'm assuming, I'm giving it five too. Okay, we don't even have to ask at this point.

Garry:

I mean it's ridiculous even right now, but it's just the way they oh my gosh, I know, I know. I am just, I'm blown away.

Amy:

If we weren't reviewing and all these other things, we would do them all in a row. But, we're doing a lot of other things right now. And we do work full time. So we're trying to throw these in when we can.

Garry:

But when we do, it's like oh my gosh, there's so much when you think that it can't get any better. And it does, and you're like ugh. So, yes, everything that they write has to do with something and it all comes back together. Yep, so is that a wrap? That's a wrap.

Garry:

All right Well thanks for tuning in. Well, thanks for tuning in. Follow the podcast wherever you listen, so you don't miss one. Also, follow us on social media. If you really really liked the show, we would really really appreciate your positive review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And if you didn't really really like the show, we'd still appreciate your positive review.

Amy:

We would really appreciate it. Be sure to follow us wherever you get your podcasts and on social media, so you don't miss a thing. Until then, fill up your glasses and push play. Thanks for listening, cheers.