Hallmark's Signed, Sealed, Delivered Lost Without You

On this episode of Pour the Wine, It’s Rom-Com Time, Garry and Amy sip some wine while unpacking Hallmark's Signed, Sealed, Delivered: Lost Without You. When the POstables uncover a damaged letter from a military veteran, they race to find its rightful recipient before it’s too late. Along the way, the story explores Oliver’s Divine Delivery Theory, Rita and Norman’s road trip, Shane’s struggle with faith, a camping trip gone terribly wrong, and the lasting effects of PTSD.

This installment delivers another masterclass in heartfelt storytelling. Whether you’re a devoted POstable, a Hallmark fan, or just looking for a story about patience, love, and faith filled perseverance, press play and find out why this must be your next must watch!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:07

Welcome to Pour the Wine. It's rom com time where we'll sip some wine and review all things rom com on the Homework Channel. I'm Amy.

SPEAKER_05 0:15

And I'm Gary. And before we get started, can we just take a minute to talk about this crazy weather that we're experiencing today?

SPEAKER_00 0:23

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05 0:25

I mean, how can we kind of crazy from 80 degree weather yesterday to 40 or 30 degree weather today?

SPEAKER_00 0:32

Literally, so many weathermen and women in our area have said they've never seen the temperature change like that. It is literally snowing in some parts. Yeah. Yeah. It's not sticking because it was so warm yesterday, 80 degrees, people were at the beach, the sun was out, everybody was happy.

SPEAKER_05 0:50

Shorts, but today it's jeans, winter coat, heats on, AC is off. I mean, come on. He's talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

I saw something that said uh a meme that said, tell me it's March without telling me it's March, and it showed like yesterday, 80 degrees, today 27 or whatever it is. I mean, we had to put our heat back on today. It got so cold. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05 1:16

It's just crazy, crazy, crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:18

Well, hopefully, wherever you are, you are warm and happy, whether you're warm inside or warm outside if the sun is shining, hopefully.

unknown 1:28

Man.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

I'm ready. I'm over it. I love fall and winter, but we've had so much cold weather. I am ready to get a little bit more. We gotta move into the sunshine. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:36

Warm weather. Yes. The sitting on the porch, sipping wine. Yes. Yes. I'm ready for it.

SPEAKER_00 1:43

All right. Are you ready for this one? Are you ready for this?

SPEAKER_05 1:44

All right, let's get into it. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

Today we're going to be reviewing Sign Seal Delivered, Lost Without You. It originally aired on the Hallmark channel on September 25th, 2016. And if you're a new listener to us, we are going through the Sign Seal Delivered canon. We watched the pilot movie and then we watched the series. But we did not review it. It was after we started the podcast, but we did not review that. And we decided that we were going to start with for Christmas and then review from there forward. Yes. Right. That was correct. Well, actually, we reviewed to the moon and back because that happened to air when we started the podcast. So we did review that. So we kind of we did watch that and review that. And then, but we had already had we watched the series by that point? I'm trying to remember.

SPEAKER_05 2:37

You know the series. Or did we watch that and then go back? We watched that and then went back to the series.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

And then went back and we watched everything. Right, right. Because to the moon and back we reviewed. Um, and now we're, you know, we're going through the canon in order, and we are at Lost Without You.

SPEAKER_03 2:54

Lost Without You.

SPEAKER_00 2:57

Yes, yes. I can't believe it aired almost 10 years ago. That's a little nutty. Yeah. A little nutty. It stars, of course, the original postables. Eric Mabius plays Oliver O'Toole. Kristen Booth is Shane McInnerney. Look at me pronouncing that correctly. I have such a hard time in her. Crystal Lowe plays Rita Haywith, and we wish Crystal Lowe continued health on her um in her cancer journey, continued positive.

SPEAKER_05 3:26

Prayers go out, too.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

Health results. Yeah. Jeff Gustaf Gustafson plays Norman Dorman. And also returning this film are Gregory Har Harrison. Hello, Gregory Harrison. I like Mason Gregory Harrison. And I have her a long time. He returns as Joe O'Toole and Amelia Ullerup, who we adore also. She returns as Dale in this one.

SPEAKER_05 3:50

And what a fine character she is.

SPEAKER_00 3:52

Yeah, she's she's a good character. I like her character.

SPEAKER_05 3:56

Well, SSD was directed by Kevin Fair. Kevin directed two episodes of the SSD TV series and ten of the SSD movies. He has numerous other Hallmark directing credits, including Caught by Love, The Reluctant Royal, Legend of the Lost Locket, and Our Christmas Journey. Yes. Martha Williamson and Brandy Harkin Harkonen. Say that twice, three times, four times fast. Um are the writers on this one. Of course, Martha created the SSD series, wrote it, and executive produced it. And I'm so glad she did because this is one good series of movies and TV episodes. Brandy has written the SSD series and movies alongside Martha. So there you have it.

SPEAKER_00 4:52

Very cool.

SPEAKER_05 4:53

Yes, yes. I think it is.

SPEAKER_00 4:55

Yeah, I think that's she's Martha Williamson. Oh my gosh. I mean, what a right. What a creative genius, right? These stories.

SPEAKER_05 5:03

Oh, man, for real.

SPEAKER_00 5:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 5:06

All right. So let's dive into what did you think?

SPEAKER_00 5:09

Maybe I should drop the synopsis first.

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Oh my goodness. See, the weather's got me all I know.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

The rain's gone to your rain and the snow's gone to your head. Gone to your head.

SPEAKER_05 5:19

It soaked up my head.

SPEAKER_00 5:21

Okay. A strange package containing what may be someone's bucket list shows up in a prop mailbox on a commercial set. The postal detectives attempt to track down its intended recipient.

SPEAKER_05 5:36

Ooh. Now, what did you think?

SPEAKER_00 5:41

We might give away some spoilers.

SPEAKER_05 5:43

Oh my God. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

Do I have to do your job? I mean, my gosh.

SPEAKER_05 5:49

All right. You don't have to pay me this time around.

SPEAKER_00 5:51

No. Okay. All right. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 5:53

We're at that point in the podcast where if you haven't seen this one, which has been quite a while now since it's 10 years, 10 years.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

We are going to talk about it, all of it.

SPEAKER_05 6:03

Pause the podcast. Go watch it. Come back. Start it back up and let us know what you think.

unknown 6:11

Right.

SPEAKER_05 6:11

There you go.

SPEAKER_00 6:12

Or if you don't mind listening, you can listen to the podcast and then go watch the movie because you're going to want to go watch the movie after we're done with the podcast anyway.

SPEAKER_05 6:20

That's correct. That is correct.

SPEAKER_00 6:22

Whether you've seen it or not, you probably are going to go, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05 6:25

Well, okay, now. What did you think?

SPEAKER_00 6:30

Now, now we're going to get into it. Now we're going to get into it.

SPEAKER_03 6:33

Oh my goodness. All over the place today.

SPEAKER_00 6:36

Okay, so I'm going to start by saying this. When we got to the end of this movie, um, the first time, and we have watched it twice. We watch it once to enjoy it and once to take notes. And I was thinking, I kept thinking about the movie Jerry Maguire. Now, for those of you that don't know or maybe haven't seen Jerry Maguire, Cuba Gooding Jr. plays a football player.

unknown 6:59

Right.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

Tom Cruise plays his agent. Um Renee Zellweger is in it, the famous um, you know, you had me at hello line is from that movie. And anywho, so Cuba Gooding Jr. at the beginning is kind of there's a talk show where this talk show host, she, you know, she has all these people, and it's kind of like how Oprah was. You know, you have these people on your show, and then eventually the talk show host brings up something that's gonna make the person they're interviewing cry. And at first, Cuba Gooding Jr.'s character, he's like, Oh man, they make somebody cry. If I ever go on that show, I'm never gonna cry, you know, and then he goes on the show by the end of the movie and he gets asked a question and he's like, You, and he starts to tear up, you know.

SPEAKER_06 7:44

And I remember that.

SPEAKER_00 7:45

And that's what I thought of when every time we watch a movie, I'm like, I'm not gonna cry, I'm not gonna do it. I'm not crying. Martha Williamson, you're not gonna make me don't cry, don't cry, don't cry, don't cry, don't cry. You know, and then I cry. You know, we tear up every single time, but it's just so moving. They're all so moving, and this one was no exception. Um, you know, it's not gonna be a surprise for me to say that this was, I think we both agree, one of our favorites.

SPEAKER_05 8:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

In the canon. I mean, there's so many great ones.

SPEAKER_05 8:15

It's definitely top five.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

Yeah. I mean, I think for Christmas is in a you know, field on its own, you know, because it's a Christmas movie and that is a standalone rock star. Um, but this one after we watch, especially after we watch it the second time, it just got better. And I think if we watch it a third time, it's just so, so good. And so I really love this one. Again, the way, you know, the storylines are woven throughout the whole movie.

SPEAKER_03 8:45

Incredible.

SPEAKER_00 8:46

Even, you know, from from the the dead letter that they get, we have the mystery of the dead letter, and even how they got the letter this time was really cool and interesting. I liked that, which we'll talk about in a little bit. So just from the story, you know, from the beginning, the basis of the letter, you know, when you find out towards the end, um, the involvement of, you know, spoiler alert, pets, right? A dog in it, it just it's it was so so well done. And it probably has maybe our favorite scene in it, wouldn't you say?

SPEAKER_05 9:22

I would say so.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

So we both laughed out loud almost until we were crying. So this one again, you know, uh the actors, the writing, the way it's shot, it's just all so good. The messaging. So just another, you know, just another knocked it out of the park science you'll deliver a movie. I mean, are we gonna find a new that we didn't like? Probably not.

SPEAKER_05 9:49

Way over the park.

SPEAKER_00 9:50

But I really, really loved this one.

SPEAKER_05 9:52

Me too.

SPEAKER_00 9:53

Yeah. So what about you? What do you think?

SPEAKER_05 9:56

Um, wow, you know, she did it again, right? Yeah, she wrote another great movie, and in this one, I loved how the characters were separated, right?

SPEAKER_00 10:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 10:11

So you had Shane actually from from the group itself, from the foot correct four. So you had Shane out in the woods with his dad, you had or not Shane, uh Oliver with his dad out in the woods, you had Rita and Norman doing roads. And then you had Shane staying at the DLO and in town, and the character growth of these characters in this episode. Oh my god, the struggles, the beliefs. I mean, like you said, pop open some tissue boxes because oh my god. And and I love the little twist with Sandy. I I thought that was a cool little yes.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

That was a really that was an excellent twist. Had me. You had me. Yep, you had me until the end.

SPEAKER_05 11:09

And like you said, the way the letter found its way to them, I thought was pretty interesting. And I'd like to know how they came up with that because that was kind of that was cool.

SPEAKER_00 11:19

That was really, really cool. So um, you know, I we we always go through and and you know, these particular podcasts tend to be a little bit longer because we like to talk about a lot of stuff. Um, but I always go through and like highlight my notes after we watch a movie or something. And I every sign seal delivered one is like yellow, yellow, yellow, yellow, because things I want to try to mention or remember to mention or bring up, you know, I know all of mine are of yellow highlight. I just may as well not highlight and just say the whole thing, right?

SPEAKER_03 11:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:46

Um, but let's talk about the letter. So they're they're shooting a commercial, and by there I mean um Oliver, they're all there.

SPEAKER_03 11:55

Right. Right? Oliver and Joe and Norman are there also.

SPEAKER_00 11:59

So but but Oliver and Joe are the ones that are actually in the commercial. And they're shooting a commercial and they're standing outside and they're by a mailbox, which you know, Norman has to bring up that that's not a mailbox at this time. It's from 1995, and then he goes on to it. He talks about the pen.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 12:14

Yeah, yeah. But anywho, so while they're standing there, a little boy who has a letter to deliver talks to Joe for a little bit, right? And doesn't he say, like, you know, does the post office really deliver no matter what? Yeah, like what condition the letter is in? I forget exactly what he says.

SPEAKER_05 12:33

Like if it gets ran over by a car or gets or has peanut butter jelly on it.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

And Joe is like, you know, and Joe's kind of like, absolutely, you know. So then he walks away and the little boy puts the letter in the prop mailbox.

SPEAKER_02 12:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 12:50

Right.

SPEAKER_02 12:51

And so funny was that, man.

SPEAKER_00 12:53

That was I thought that that was just such a creative way to do it at the beginning. And I honestly, I was like, how are they gonna get that letter? Like, how long is it gonna be before someone finds that letter?

SPEAKER_03 13:08

I know.

SPEAKER_00 13:08

That's what I was thinking, and how is it gonna make it to them? I was like, gosh, I I really didn't know. And then it was like, duh, the prop people will look through it to make sure, you know.

SPEAKER_05 13:17

Right, right. So So that was how they got the letter, right?

SPEAKER_00 13:22

Right. So that's how they get the letter. They are at are they at the service for or at a gathering at the mailbox grill? Yes. Right, and the producer is there and he brings them right. What is that for?

SPEAKER_05 13:37

Is that for the that's that's for Eleanor's, I think it was for Eleanor's uh the passport lady who dies in the in the mail room. Yeah, because they were making smoothies and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

Um so they're there and they um and the director or whatever brings the letter because they have found it in the prop mailbox.

SPEAKER_03 13:55

Right.

SPEAKER_00 13:55

And they bring so they bring it to them. That's how they get it. And I thought that that was really it was just a cool way to start.

SPEAKER_05 14:02

It was very, very cool. And that's and that starts their journey, right?

SPEAKER_06 14:08

Right.

SPEAKER_05 14:09

So So you want to talk about like scenes or how do you want to do this?

SPEAKER_00 14:15

Because this is so we'll just talk about some of our you know, I mean, yeah, we'll talk about favorite scenes and then we can just talk about favorite moments or you know, I because right after is that how you want to do it, or do you want to talk about Yeah, yeah, we can do that.

SPEAKER_05 14:30

And let's save our favorite scene, favorite, both of our favorite scenes for the last time.

SPEAKER_00 14:34

Well we can we can talk about it, you know, in general after the um I don't know if it's it might be before where they talk about Oliver's divine delivery theory. Yes. I don't know at what point that is.

SPEAKER_05 14:49

It's it's is that after that. They said it a couple times throughout the movie.

SPEAKER_00 14:53

Well, I know, I know, but I mean the first time.

SPEAKER_05 14:55

Right.

SPEAKER_00 14:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:56

So I thought I and I don't I thought that was such a cool thing where you know he's they don't find the dead letters, the dead letters find them. Yes. You know, and then you have Joe wagers a bet with Oliver because he really doesn't he's not totally buying into that. And so he says, if you know, if you can prove prove divine intervention, I'll pay for your dinner date. Right, right. And Oliver's sort of like, you know, you don't need to do that. But and if if Oliver, what is it? If Oliver can't find the owner of the letter, then it wasn't divine intervention, and Oliver has to go camping with him.

SPEAKER_03 15:39

Right.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

Is that the gist of the bet? Yeah, so they make a bet. Yeah. And I love when Norman's like camping. Oliver doesn't like to go outside. You know, I thought that was so funny.

SPEAKER_05 15:51

Neither do I. You better get me a nice RV or a nice cabin or something with AC. Yes, we're not sleeping in a couple of things.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

No, no, not doing that anymore.

SPEAKER_05 16:01

No, trekking through the woods with a link pack on my on my back. Nope. Nope, nope, nope, nope. I also like that quote where it says the letters don't just randomly arrive, they are meant to. I thought that was pretty interesting, too.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

So a lot of and then or the you have the scene, so once they get the letter and they realize it's a bucket list of sorts, but they're not for sure who and Rita asks Norman if he has a bucket list, and he's like, No, but I have a list of buckets, and I'm just like, that's so Norman. I just love the characters in this, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:39

So innocent. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:40

No, but I have a list of buckets.

SPEAKER_05 16:42

Yeah, no, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 16:44

Innocent, but very knowledgeable and comes through with advice, especially with Sandy.

SPEAKER_05 16:50

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

Norman does towards the end of the day.

SPEAKER_05 16:54

Yes. So let's let's go ahead and um dive into some of these favorite scenes. Okay. Or some of these moments.

SPEAKER_00 17:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 17:02

So what do you want to talk about first? So let's start off with um with Shane. So throughout the movie, she's kind of she's jealous of Dale, right? Yes, and she's not sure which way Oliver or Oliver is leaning, right? Because Oliver, he doesn't explain like normal people explain.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

He doesn't come out and say it.

SPEAKER_05 17:25

Right. He says it away and he expects you to understand that way, right? Right. But he does have trouble doing that. So those were some of my favorite scenes as a whole or as a group between Shane and Oliver's, you know, does he like me? Does he not like me? Does he like Shane uh Dale? You know, so I like those those scenes.

SPEAKER_00 17:51

Yeah, yeah. Or like when Shane is when they go to the funeral and and Dale, like that type of scene when Dale comes up and she's kind of like, and she's she's the singing the choir.

SPEAKER_05 18:02

Or the choir robe. Um, I can't remember the actual word they use, but caretaker and Shane was like, oh, so you're this, this, or this, and the rogue caretaker.

SPEAKER_00 18:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 18:17

So she's like, huh. Yeah, so she's kind of jealous because she seems to be able to do everything and she is doing everything. So, but yeah, that was that was my first group of uh favorite scenes.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

Favorite scenes. Well, and what I love about that too is you know, Oliver doesn't say a lot, but he notices everything. Right. Right? Right. So in the in the church after the ceremony and everything after everybody leaves, he's like, he tells Shane Dale is just a friend because he knows that Shane is acting a little jelly jelly. Yeah right, or a little bit like, are you more than friends? How long have you known her? Oh, you guys have hung, you know, or whatever. So I think that he sort of he tries to nip that in the bud in that moment.

SPEAKER_05 19:03

Yeah, but he does.

SPEAKER_00 19:04

But he doesn't come out and say, I like you, yes, but he's but he definitely says, you know, Dale is just a friend.

SPEAKER_05 19:12

Dale is my friend, my friend, yeah. So stop it.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

Does he say Shane in that moment? I don't think he does. Not in that moment. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 19:22

Dale is my friend, right?

SPEAKER_00 19:24

So one of my favorite scenes is uh the scene where Shane tells Oliver to go camping because he's not gonna go. Right. He's but she tells him he needs to go. He needs to go camping with his dad because they have been to the funeral and and you know, life is short and all that jazz. And um, so she's packed his bag, she brings a big backpack for him, like you were talking about, one of those big backpacks.

SPEAKER_02 19:52

And Oliver's like it was her dad's backpack.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

It was her dad's, right, right, right. So she she brings it and Oliver's like, You're sending me to camp. Like, what are you doing? You know, and and she said, you know, because they have tried to figure out this letter and they're sort of at a dead end, so to speak, but not really, you know, for lack of a better word. Right. And she's like, You said this letter has a destiny. Do you believe that? Or so she's kind of putting it on him.

SPEAKER_03 20:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

You know, and you're gonna walk the walk, right? Yeah, yeah. And she goes, because he doesn't want to leave, he wants to continue to find the owner or or to deliver the dead letter. And um, and then he's like, Okay, I'll see you Monday. And then he says, Shane. And I'm like as he's walking out, as he's walking away, every time he says her person. That is such a brilliant writing feat that they do 100% as part of the story that they, you know, he calls her Ms. McInnerney, you know, every other time, except when he's like when he's deliberate in it. It just is so good. It is, you know, and by this point, I would love to know, and probably a postable could tell us how many times during the series does he actually call her Shane? It's got to be like that's a good question. Maybe 10 total times. I mean, I don't know. I have no idea. I'm just just guessing.

SPEAKER_05 21:16

We haven't seen it. It's like a handful, right?

SPEAKER_00 21:18

Yeah, and we haven't seen, you know, we did um, you know, we haven't seen any more, so we we have seen higher ground, I will say that as of this recording. Yeah, we watch this and then we watch higher ground and we have a special surprise with a podcast for higher ground. Um, but you know, I would be we haven't watched beyond that. We don't know anything that happens after higher ground. Right. So um at this point in time, but um I would be very curious how many times total throughout the series. Because I does he call our Shane in the actual TV series? I can't he probably does at least once, right?

SPEAKER_05 21:56

I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

I can't remember now.

SPEAKER_05 21:59

For that, somebody's gonna.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Able to tell us some postables out there, let us know. Postables are gonna be able to let us know. But yeah, but every time he says post this her actual name, you're just your heart melts and you feel it, and it's on her face, and it's on his face too, because he knows he's you know, he knows it's good. Oh gosh, so so good, so so good.

SPEAKER_05 22:19

Um, let me let me say something about the whole thing, the whole camping thing, because that happened right after the funeral, and it was interesting because yes, Oliver at the funeral was giving a speech, and again, Martha, these right the writing, the speeches that these characters and Brandy, right? Is the other writer of just beautiful, right? The passport, you know, stamping the passport. Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

Like the analogy of Yes.

SPEAKER_05 22:46

I mean, it was so good. And you can see the the camera pans to Rita, Norm, and Shane. And Shane is kind of looking off to the to the side, like she's I don't I don't know, she's Shane struggles with the belief in God, right? Like things happen for a reason. She struggles with that. But that's when she decides that um Oliver needs to go camping. And but I thought that that scene was brilliant because that kind of sets her on her path of starting to believe with in in God or in things that happen not just randomly but for a reason. Because you have Oliver who struggles, especially in this episode, because he likes to be in control of situ of the situation. In this episode, he's not in control, so he really has to believe that him and his dad are gonna be okay, right?

SPEAKER_00 23:51

But I really think, yeah, and and no, I mean that's so true. And I think throughout this episode also, you just I think I have that somewhere in my notes. I was looking for it while you were talking, but he just he believes with every fiber in his being, heart and soul. He believes in the higher power, he believes, you know, he just believes in it and he gets proven right time and time and time again, right? Yeah, and you know it's interesting, but you're right, it's a struggle for Shane in this in this one for sure. You really she's been struggling all along, but this one is really really one.

SPEAKER_05 24:31

And we'll talk about a couple of those things, but don't you find it interesting? His name is Oliver. It kind of, you know, like an olive branch, he's that type of person that's interesting.

SPEAKER_03 24:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 24:42

You know, he he's the peacemaker, he's the kind soul and everything. You know, so I'm wondering I wonder if that was kind of a reason why they named it. Intentional. Yeah, intentional. Why the names are it probably was because you know you know she there's meaning. Yeah, there's meaning in everything. They're tying their shoe, there's a meaning behind it.

SPEAKER_00 25:04

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:06

All right. So what other favorite scenes did you have?

SPEAKER_00 25:10

Well, are we gonna talk about the big one or do you want to say that?

SPEAKER_05 25:12

No, let's hold off on that.

SPEAKER_00 25:14

Because we can go through I I don't know if we want to go through the story, you know, like No. I mean, you can see that. Because I I love when um uh so Oliver and his dad, Shane finally Oliver doesn't show up for work Monday morning. I mean, do you want to go past the Rita and Norman?

SPEAKER_05 25:33

Yeah, we I mean we can we can go back. We don't have to stay in order.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

I mean Okay, okay. We can we can do what we want. Sharp podcast. So another uh just um favorite scene is so Rita and Norman have gone off to search in New Mexico. A road trip. Right, they've got they've gotten a clue, right? And so they're in New Mexico searching. Shane goes to the DLO, Oliver doesn't show up, and she's you know, like a little concerned. So her concern grows. She eventually goes to um Joe's house and they're not there. She gets really concerned, she has to call Dale. So they start to work together.

SPEAKER_01 26:13

Right.

SPEAKER_00 26:14

Right. And there's this, there is this conversation of um, you know, well, I mean, I there they have a you know, there's one point where they're sitting at the table. I think they're at Joe's house, right? Yeah, it's Joe's house. Yeah, they're Joe's house. And Shane is kind of like, you know, basically, if God has everything decided, what's the point in praying? And Dale says, I pray, I don't pray to change God, I pray to change me. How beautiful. And I was like, stop, you know.

SPEAKER_05 26:44

And you know what? I'm not very like religious, like go into church type religious. I do agree that there is a higher higher power. But that statement she made, oh my God.

SPEAKER_00 26:56

I know. I know. I'm tearing up now.

SPEAKER_05 26:58

I'm like, I know it gave me chills.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

Gave me chills. So that would be another favorite scene.

SPEAKER_05 27:05

Oh another one of mine, because I'm not, and I'm gonna go back. I don't know why they had a lot of great scenes with the church, the the funeral scene. But yeah, when it was over and they were all standing in between the um the aisles, um yeah, uh Dale comes up and says that she has to go because she's got a case that has to deal with a hacker. Cybercaller Norman, just being Norman, he's like, hacker, well, we don't know any hackers. We don't know any hackers. It's a good thing we don't know any hackers, and then the look on Rita's face and and Shane is kind of just like and Oliver, he's just that was so funny.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

That was like a who's on first and a who's on third type moment for me, man.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

Yeah, it was really funny. So and isn't that when Shane says something like, I'm not changing because she thinks Oliver's gonna be like, well, you know, we shouldn't be hacking.

SPEAKER_05 28:01

And yes, because they yeah, because him and um him and uh Dale had talked off and and she wasn't sure what they were talking about, and that kind of upset her a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

Yeah, uh yeah, she was in her field a little bit, a little bit in that moment. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:16

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05 28:19

All right.

SPEAKER_00 28:19

Um, so then you have you know, Oliver and Joe go camping, Joe falls, and he's injured. That hurt. He takes a brutal fall, and instead of them leaving right away, they decide to continue on and his his wound gets a little bit worse, right? And and so they end up not being able to figure out their way out, and then it gets to the point where Joe can't walk. And I just there's a moment, you know, and in the meantime, you know, like we said, um uh Shane has called Dale and Dale's FBI, she's brought in the police, now they're looking for them. Right.

SPEAKER_05 28:58

They figure out where his truck is, because didn't they get like a gas station thing or yeah, they stopped off at a gas station, but unfortunately they parked in a section of the park that was closed for the weekend.

SPEAKER_00 29:13

Right.

SPEAKER_05 29:14

So that was another part of the of the twist, the plot of them not being able to find them.

SPEAKER_00 29:19

But eventually, eventually they find the truck, and you know, and and Dale is pretty much, you know, she's a realist. She's like, you know, if someone's injured, it's not good if we can't find them, you know, like it's you know, maybe not gonna turn out great. Wow. And and then there's this, you know, and Kristen just or Kristen, um, Shane, Kristen Booth, like I know her. Kristen, she's my buddy. Um, there's a scene where it's sort of like choir-esque music and it's over Oliver and Joe while they're in the woods, and then you see Rita and Norman driving. Oh, excuse me, and then and then you see um Shane goes into the woods and she starts to pray. Yes, she doesn't normally get down on her knees, and I was like, Oh my gosh, another another goosebump moment.

SPEAKER_05 30:11

Oh lordy, yes, and that's what I was talking about, her her journey into believing. Yeah, because she had to at this point, and you know, because she was like, Well, how do I do this? And she says, You prayer, and she's like, Well, I you prayed. She and they always like, or Shane was like, I don't know how to do that. Yeah, and she walks off into the woods and falls down and looks up at the sky, she's kind of looking up, and they have that music playing.

SPEAKER_00 30:39

It's like choir us, but it was beautiful, and then they show all of them, you know, but and they're but they're at different places, and and that's what I loved about this one.

SPEAKER_05 30:48

They had separated the characters so good, right?

SPEAKER_00 30:53

So they think the whole time this letter is a bucket list for someone named Sandy, and you know, at the very beginning, you have a man who is who is experiencing PTSD from from war, right? And so the gist of the letter is he's written this letter and he's trying to get it to Sandy because she's in her what they believe is like her final days, like she's probably dying, and they're trying to get this letter to her before she before she passes. And then you find out that Sandy is actually a dog, a puppers, and has PTSD because Sandy was at war with the man. I know just stop it, just stop right now, stop it.

SPEAKER_05 31:40

Yes, and and we were and in the letter was his shirt, right?

SPEAKER_00 31:46

So that was another um oh yes, yeah, with his scent on it because he was trying to send it because Sandy and him were really close, and and he did he train her and worked with her, right?

SPEAKER_05 32:00

And then they went well, they were part of a uh uh a group. There was a contracting group that trained dogs to work with soldiers, and them two were paired, Sandy and um what was his name, Topper.

SPEAKER_00 32:15

That's what I was just trying to look up.

SPEAKER_05 32:16

Yeah, I'm like, I know I think it's Topper together. And Sandy had saved his life, and he had saved Sandy's life.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

So they kind of had this bond, even though you know, a dog, but you know, dogs are smart and dogs are smart, and but just when they talked about you know the dog recovering and the dog had PTSD and didn't want to, you know, was afraid of loud noises, and it just it breaks your heart. Dogs are just so in tune with everything, with nature, with humans, with you know, with life, and it's just oh gosh, I know. So did you have any other favorite scenes before? Well, I have one at the I have one at the end, but we need to talk about the other one first because I want to save the ending for the end.

SPEAKER_05 32:59

So let's go ahead and get into Rita and All right. So you wanna so again talk about character building. So when we first started watching this, they wouldn't take the letter out of the DLO. But this time, especially Norm, because Norm is by the book, right? And Oliver too, I think, well he did but Norm, he'll quote the section, the number of the policy or whatever. But he takes the letter and the shirt, right? Because he's bold now, he's bold, he's in this bold moment. And I just love that they did this for him because on that road trip, oh my god, oh my god, this was the best, best scene. Because him and Rita, Norman and Rita, have to go to every Mexican restaurant to find out who has the hottest moly.

SPEAKER_00 33:55

Because there's something in the letter that says they want to go back to, right?

SPEAKER_05 33:59

Is it something like we want to go back to the restaurant that's at the end of the street and the hottest moly in town?

SPEAKER_00 34:06

Mole. Yeah. Is it moly?

SPEAKER_05 34:09

Yeah, mole.

SPEAKER_00 34:10

That's how you oh okay.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

And uh it because you're better at explaining it.

SPEAKER_00 34:19

So they so they have to they go to this town in New Mexico. A welcome center, yeah. Or they go to the welcome center and they get uh, you know, flyers for every restaurant, right? With hot peppers and with all the hot stuff, I guess. And so they start going to each restaurant, they start eating the hot peppers, and Norman.

SPEAKER_05 34:42

Well, it's the mole, it's the mole, the mole, not the peppers, right, right, right. The pepper is in the mole.

SPEAKER_00 34:47

Right, right. So they start eating it at restaurants, and Norman is like sweating, and his face is like contorted, and he can't, and Rita has no problem. Rita is she's smiling, she's having a great time. He's sweating and sweet, and then he comes running out of a restaurant because he's so hot.

SPEAKER_01 35:14

He's like, And Rita's fanning him out, and she's smiling and laughing, and not because he's hurting, she's just having a good time.

SPEAKER_00 35:25

So we cried during that because he's so good in the his facial expressions, him running out, the sweat pouring out of him, and then Rita's talking to Shane, and Shane is like, does he have a fever? And Rita's like, I don't know if it's the fever or actual heat, you know. From I mean, we literally both times we watched it.

SPEAKER_05 35:47

Oh my god, the second time I just got that scene.

SPEAKER_00 35:50

Well, I guess it's not just one scene, but those scenes together of them going from restaurant to restaurant and trying to eat that, and him like almost dying. And then she's like, one morning he's like, mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 36:02

Nope, nope, that was my favorite scene so far.

SPEAKER_00 36:06

Oh my god, I mean, we were crying so good, so so good. And I just like I said, I love that they made Rita like what? Yeah, like it's hard, you know.

SPEAKER_04 36:17

Like she she can handle the heat, right? She can handle the the hottest of the hottest peppers, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:24

And you know, and in the meantime, we didn't really talk about Rita and Norman. He's been offered an opportunity to go to DC, was it? Yeah, and work there, and he's been contemplating it and thinking about it, but he doesn't want to leave Rita. And she's you know, and towards the end, she's kind of like, I'll go wherever you go. Right. And he's like, Oh, you know, so it was really sweet.

SPEAKER_05 36:49

That was a good moment, too.

SPEAKER_00 36:50

Yeah. So that was that was probably one of our favorite scenes of the series so far. Because he talked about if he takes other than the emotional scenes, but you know, that was the funniest.

SPEAKER_05 37:01

And when they're finally delivering the letter, he gets emotional because it's it's he tells Rita this would be his last di uh dead letter delivery. You know, and that was a good moment. And Rita kind of explains to him, well, you know, if it is, you have to look at it this way on how many people you helped out and you know, saved and all this other stuff. So I mean, there was I we could talk for about this for hours. I know it's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 37:31

I know. So but you have any more or um just when Norman talks to Sandy, the dog, so they they end up Norman and Rita end up, you know, going to where sort of the um like uh I want to say control center. What do you call it? Where where they're all the police are meeting and where Dale is like a control area, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So they're they're at a place where they're you know near the mountain and they're waiting to hear word if they can find um Oliver and Joe. And so Rita and Norman finally show up and they have the dog with them. And I really love the scene where they're driving away. They go and they see the dog and they learn about the dog, and then they're driving away and they're kind of talking. And then when they pan back and the dog is just in the backseat, Sandy's in the backseat is so cute the way they shot that. So, so cute. Oh my god. And he talks to her and he's like, you know, look, in a world full of noises, all you want to do is be somewhere safe. I understand, you know, I don't want to push you, but Oliver's my best friend, you know, that whole him talking to her like that, and he's like, I'm gonna need you to take the first step. And I'm like, it's so good. So stinking good. And then they have, of course, the dog smell, the choir robe or whatever it is. Whatever, yeah. Yeah, yeah, uh to get Oliver sent, and then they send her off into the woods.

SPEAKER_05 38:59

Right.

SPEAKER_00 39:00

So I like that.

SPEAKER_05 39:01

Yeah, that was a really good scene, too. But just to touch on Oliver and Joe, because they have their moment where Joe explains to him why Oliver no longer likes to go into the woods, and that's when they were little and they took um his little yeah, and and Joe took Oliver to the into the woods. Um, they let him run ahead of them, and he kind of got lost. And Joe and his wife, they had that argument, and Oliver walked into the argument, and that's why he didn't want to go anymore, because it reminded him of that moment in time.

SPEAKER_00 39:42

Well, and it wasn't too long after that that his mom leaves.

SPEAKER_05 39:44

That his mom leaves, and he Right. Not in that moment, but like he said it was a couple days later.

SPEAKER_00 39:50

A couple days later she left and said, Well, and he didn't want Oliver to blame himself for his mom leaving. Right.

SPEAKER_05 39:57

So and he had bought him a record because Oliver liked the sounds of yeah, you know, walking through the woods. So he so Joe bought him an album for it.

SPEAKER_00 40:08

I thought it was like birds.

SPEAKER_05 40:10

It was birds, it was sounds of the Rocky Mountains or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 40:13

Something like that, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:15

So I just wanted to mention that.

SPEAKER_00 40:17

No, that was no, that's great. Yeah. Um so then, of course, Sandy finds them. Right. Right, right. And then another, yeah, yeah. And you know, Oliver's like, mm-hmm, told you, you know, he doesn't say it in that moment. Of course, they get Joe, they go back, he hugs Oliver and him hug, and then they get the police officers to go and help Joe, and then they end up at the hospital, you know, and and Oliver's kind of like, I mean, you know who that dog was. That was related to the letter, and the letter brought the dog to us, you know, and he's like, trust the timing, you know, and because Joe's kind of like, you know, oh, it was luck, and he says, luck is the religion of the lazy.

SPEAKER_05 41:00

And again, I was like, another good quote, man.

SPEAKER_00 41:03

I mean, now I wouldn't mind some religion of the lazy to win me the lottery tickets. You know what I'm saying? Like, that wouldn't be too terrible, but no, and that's when he's like, trust the timing, right? That's such a big um moral of the story for this episode to trust the timing, trust the time of everything.

SPEAKER_05 41:21

Be patient and trust the timing. Yeah, yeah, it truly was.

SPEAKER_00 41:25

So then, of course, the final my final favorite scene would be now we're towards the end of the movie. I love when Oliver is walking down the hospital hallway to find Shane. He's already talked to Dale, right? And he's and then he's walking down the hallway, and the song and so it goes starts by Billy Joel. And he's just just that scene of him walking to her because she is in the she's in the chapel.

SPEAKER_05 41:52

But he doesn't know she's in the chapel, right? Because he he sees Dale and he asks her, Where's Shane? And she says she left. So he's going down to the chapel to pray.

SPEAKER_00 42:05

To the chapel to pray. Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_05 42:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:07

But he's going and the the scene with him. Well, I thought he okay, all right, I get it.

SPEAKER_05 42:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:13

So um, so he uh but I just like he's going down the hallway, so he's looking for Shane, and that's a beautiful song to play with it. Yeah, so he goes down and then he goes in there and she is in the chapel, which he normally is not, right? And he he always he often ends up in a chapel that Oliver does in several of these movies, right? So he goes to her and he basically tells her that he prayed, you know, he prayed to be able to tell her that he hoped their first date wasn't their last. Right. And you know, she's kind of crying and life is too short to only drink you hoo. You know, that was really funny. Like you have that little nugget of funniness in this very serious, this various serious moment. But then, you know, the song playing is just I know you're not as familiar with it as I am, but if you go and read the lyrics, the lyrics are absolute perfection for this moment for Oliver, for Oliver in general, actually, but for Oliver and for Shane, and in that moment, the lyric it could not be a more really well with that scene. Yeah, right. So, and it's just you know, the song it is just so so good. You have to go if you don't know it and you don't know the lyrics, you can hear a little bit of it, you know, in in the scene, obviously, but it is just picking that song was brilliant.

SPEAKER_05 43:40

I think I think they also use that song in Impossible Dream. I don't remember the scene, but was it Impossible Dream? Yeah, I think because I because I remembered the tune and I'm like, where did I hear this tune from? And you said it's Billy Joel. And I'm like, oh okay.

SPEAKER_00 43:54

Yeah. I mean, I love, you know, um, I was just looking at the like it. Part of the lyrics are, you know, you um uh where is it? So I would choose to be with you. That's if the choice were mine to make, but you can make decisions too, and you can have this heart to break.

SPEAKER_05 44:13

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 44:13

I mean, that's Oliver, right?

SPEAKER_05 44:15

Like I just have like Because he talked about how many times his heart was broken. Yeah, because of the women he gave it to.

SPEAKER_00 44:23

Right, right. That's what he says in that.

SPEAKER_05 44:25

He's talking about his mom, and he's probably talking about his ex-wife, and I mean how beautiful, right?

SPEAKER_00 44:30

Yep. He talks about the women that have broken his heart. So he's like, but here it is, you can have it, and it's yours to break because I'm ready now. It's just just absolute perfection in that moment. And you and I are so big on music, songs, lyrics, and things like that.

SPEAKER_05 44:45

So well, it's it helps bring the movie alive, you know, and and gives it that emotion. Well, it's almost like a character itself, right? So, you know, you can have some really good songs and you can have some really songs that just don't do it. But so far, every time in these emotional scenes, it's been the perfect song. Yes. Yeah, and let's just touch real quick on when Rita and Norris. Deliver deliver the letter to Topper or his brother actually.

SPEAKER_00 45:20

Oh, yes, yes, yes. You're right, you're right.

SPEAKER_05 45:22

Yes, yes, Aiden tells Topper, you have to come out here. And Topper has the PSTD or PTSD. Yeah, PTSD. And he sees and hears Sandy. So that was a another good feel goodness.

SPEAKER_00 45:39

Yes, yes, yes. I'm really glad you brought that up because that's such a pivotal moment too with the PTSD. And animals are just such healers also for humans. Yeah. And vice versa, you know. And we have, you know, um, what are they called? What were we gonna have, Brinkley? Like a not a guide dog, but a comfort.

SPEAKER_05 46:00

Yeah, it's like a comfort dog, actually. A comfort type of dog. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:03

I can't remember right now the name of it, but um, but you know, where they go to like senior citizen homes, or in this case, it's like PTSD. And this is a dog that Topper had a bond with and thought that the dog was gonna because the dog was sick, right? They didn't think the dog was gonna make it. So Topper, that's why he sent the letter. Please do these things with her since I can't be there because he couldn't travel because he was crippled by his PTSD. Yeah, and then when the dog came and he finally went outside and hugged her. I mean, that was really strong, too. Really, really strong. Very powerful.

SPEAKER_05 46:39

Really, really, and then and then that's when Norman decides he's staying. He rips up the card that the director gave him at the beginning of the movie. He's like, Yeah, I'm staying. It's these kind of moments that make it, right? So yeah, all right.

SPEAKER_00 46:55

Yeah, it was so so good.

SPEAKER_05 46:57

So, did you have the cheers?

SPEAKER_00 46:59

Well, I think we talked about them throughout the whole movie.

SPEAKER_05 47:03

And I'm gonna assume go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 47:06

I really appreciate the look into the PTSD. It's very real, it's a real thing, especially. I mean, you can have it for a number of reasons, but the focus, you know, in this one was, you know, being in war, being a soldier, being in a a situation. And, you know, it's so crippling and it's so debilitating, and it really does affect so many of our men and women in the armed forces and their families, and and their families. Yeah, yeah. It it it it trickles down, it's very serious. And I just I love the way they always tackle serious issues in a way, you know, that makes you think and melts your heart at the same time, you know. So um, yeah, so I just wanted to say that. But yeah, cheers would be the whole thing, the writing, the weaving of the story. We had like you said at the beginning, the character growth with each other um and within themselves, right? There was a lot on Shane, Oliver too.

SPEAKER_05 48:09

Yeah, he had to give up control.

SPEAKER_00 48:11

Rita and I mean, it just it's just always so, so well rounded of a movie that you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 48:19

Did you have any specific that you well, just kudos to the director, to the writers, to the music. I mean, it all put it put them all together and it was just one beautiful movie. Yeah. So yeah, yep.

unknown 48:35

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 48:35

So that was my what about jars? Did you have any jars?

SPEAKER_00 48:38

Uh no notes. No, no notes. I can't think of anything. Even if I tried really hard, I I have no notes.

SPEAKER_05 48:46

So so I'm not gonna guess on how many corks you're gonna give this.

SPEAKER_00 48:51

But I'm pretty sure you're gonna I mean we should just start at five and if and then go up from there. Yeah, it would be five, it would be ten for me. It would be five. Yes. Uh how about you?

SPEAKER_05 48:59

Oh, definitely easily.

SPEAKER_00 49:01

Is it a five corker? Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 49:04

I mean, my goodness. Yes, I have a feeling all of these are gonna be fives, but this one is definitely a five plus for me.

SPEAKER_00 49:12

Yeah, for sure, for sure. One of our top that we've watched so far.

SPEAKER_05 49:16

All right. So is that a wrap?

SPEAKER_00 49:18

That's a wrap.

SPEAKER_05 49:20

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unknown 49:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 49:31

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SPEAKER_05 49:40

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SPEAKER_00 49:50

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SPEAKER_05 49:52

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SPEAKER_00 49:54

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