PART 1 | Hidden History, UFOs, Secret Societies & the Truth About Humanity | Tim Kelly

What if the story of humanity is far older - and far stranger - than we've been told?

In Part 1 of this two-part conversation, I sit down with researcher Tim Kelly for a deep dive into some of the most controversial and fascinating questions surrounding our origins, consciousness, religion, and reality itself. Because this discussion lasted over three hours, we've split it into two episodes.

Together, we explore hidden history, ancient civilizations, lost knowledge, the Great Pyramid, mysteries surrounding the Bible, secret societies, UFOs and non-human intelligence, frequency and vibration, and the possibility that much of what we believe about our past may be incomplete.

Tim has chosen to conceal his identity for personal safety reasons, so viewers watching on YouTube will not see his face during the interview.

Whether you agree, disagree, or find yourself somewhere in the middle, this episode is intended to encourage curiosity, conversation, and critical thinking—not to tell you what to believe.

Topics discussed include:

• Hidden history and the origins of humanity
• Ancient civilizations and the Great Pyramid
• The Sumerians and alternative theories of human origins
• Knowledge removed from religious traditions
• Frequency, vibration, and Nikola Tesla's ideas
• UFOs, UAPs, and non-human intelligence
• Secret societies and esoteric teachings
• The Garden of Eden and the Tree of Knowledge
• Simulation theory and consciousness
• The intersection of science, spirituality, and religion

Part 2 drops next week, where the conversation continues.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:20

Welcome back to the Unholier Than Thou podcast. Today's episode is unlike anything that I've ever done before. My guest, Tim Kelly, has spent years researching topics that sit at the intersection of history, spirituality, religion, consciousness, and some of the biggest mysteries surrounding our reality. In this conversation, we explore questions that challenge conventional narratives and invite listeners to consider perspectives that exist far outside the mainstream. Because this discussion runs well over three hours, we've decided to split it into two parts. In part one, we dive into ancient mysteries, hidden history, lost knowledge, the origins of religious belief, energy and frequency, and the possibility that there is far more to our world and our universe than we've been taught. But before we begin, I want to note that Tim has chosen to conceal his identity for personal safety reasons. If you're watching on YouTube, you'll notice that his face is not shown during the interview. While some listeners may find the topics discussed today fascinating, controversial, or even challenging, our goal is not to tell you what to believe. It's to simply create space for curiosity, conversation, and the exploration of ideas. Buckle up, keep an open mind, and enjoy part one of my conversation with Tim Kelly. So let's get started. Tim, I'm curious, what is the first rabbit hole you ever went down that made you question reality?

SPEAKER_00 1:54

Well, that's quite a question. So I would say I certainly had a number of suspicions about a number of different things when I was a kid. I remember there was a time when I was a teenager and I started getting suspicious about energy. And so I would talk to adults about that and I would say things like, Are you sure that the energy that we're using is the most efficient energy that we have? And people would look at me strangely. And I remember there was one individual who had heard of something called gas a hole, and he brought that up and I filed that one away. But in terms of like a significant rabbit hole, it was actually after I had developed a three-dimensional periodic table of the elements, and I was trying to engage the scientific community around the world too. After I had developed that theory, I had reached out to scientists uh using a chat room, and I spoke with scientists in 30 countries around the world because I wanted to see what they thought of the theory. And I was surprised when I got 95% support for the work that I had done. And I thought, well, this is great. I was only thinking I could get like 30 or 40%. Cause when you do something that's really new and different, usually you don't get that much support. So after I got that support, I thought, well, great, let's get this in the journals, let's tell the world. And all of a sudden there was this creepy silence from all the journals. And I was thrown by that. I just could not understand what was going on. It's like that vibe of the uh stranger in a small town or something like that, where everyone's looking at you oddly. And I thought, okay, what is going on here? This is simple math. This is simple physics. What's going on? So for a few years, I had pulled back and uh I had occasion to study the JFK assassination. And so when I started looking at that one, that was probably the deepest rabbit hole because I remember when I was feeling so frustrated with no one listening to me, I thought, how much corruption is there? And then this topic came up, which is a classic one for introducing people to the idea that the world is not quite what we think it is. And there was an online site that was engaging different theories for what might have been behind it. And one of those theories was that the banks were behind it. And I laughed at that because I've had conflicts with banks out my entire life. And so I said, okay, I want to read up on whoever thinks the banks did it. So the book that started me on that road was excellent. And it was called uh Killzone, a sniper looks at Deley Plaza. And it was written by former police officer Craig Roberts, who had gone to Texas and investigated the site. And as a professionally trained sniper, he knew for sure that the official story was absolute nonsense. And he uncovered a story which got me started and eventually led me to the next major rabbit hole, which was discovering this book called Suppressed Inventions and Other Discoveries by Jonathan Isin. Now, that book was not written comprehensively by Isin, it was a collection of articles by Isin in a number of different topic areas, including suppressed fuel savers, suppressed archaeology, and several healing methodologies that had been known and were suppressed as well. So this was like a giant set of rabbit holes all at once. And from there I was off to the races.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

Okay. So I am super into the whole JFK assassination conspiracy theories on this. I've heard a lot of different things about this. In fact, I started down that rabbit hole really when I was younger. Yeah, I did actually do a book report in high school about this. There was a book that had to do with Abraham Lincoln's. There's like a secretary that was a named Kennedy. Correct. And then there was a person named Lincoln that was associated with Kennedy. And there was a lot of just weird anomalies, right? That I was like, okay, this is really strange. And then I also thought, you know, there's no way that Lee Harvey Oswald did that from that angle. And from even as a kid, I was thinking that. And I I remember seeing pictures in the book. They actually had a time-lapse photography in the book of his head getting blown apart. They didn't even offer physics in my Christian school, but I knew as a kid there's no way the back of his skull is gonna come off from back here. It's gonna be a bullet coming from the front of his head. And so I was like, okay, none of this is making sense. None of this is adding up. Then I stumbled across a story of this girlfriend that he had. And I don't remember the name, but her story, you can find it on YouTube. It's pretty intriguing. But there was a book written called Dr. Mary's Monkey. And I don't know if you've read that, but not that one. Okay, so it's essentially about the Cold War, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the whole thing that was going on at the time, and how they were wanting to get rid of Fidel Castro. And so they were trying to come up with this vaccine that was gonna cause turbo cancer. So they couldn't go around and just assassinate Castro. They wanted to make it seem like he had gotten sick, and that's how he died. And so they started experimenting on these monkeys. These scientists were commissioned to do this. You got to read the book. Anyone that's listening that's intrigued by JFK, the assassination, everything that was going on at the time, there was a lot of things going on. Read the book, Dr. Mary's Monkey. That's all I'll say. It's very intriguing. So this is an interesting subject to me. And one of those that got me going down the rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_00 7:18

Yeah, there was uh a neuroscientist, Jack Cruz, um, who was familiar with different aspects of this story as well because of where he was doing a lot of his training. So even though I haven't read that book, I actually have heard that full story that you just mentioned. And Jack Cruz has some additional insight on that because of where he was. So you can uh look up some of his interviews as well as he fleshes out even more details on the story that you just mentioned.

SPEAKER_01 7:44

So I definitely want to get into some things in the Bible that are very mysterious, things that maybe the average pastor can't explain or they try to explain. They have their theories. I don't know if you're familiar with Dr. Peter Ruckman, but in the religion that I was raised in, which was the independent fundamental Baptist religion, Peter Ruckman was sort of the oracle pastor, the guru, the one that had all these outlandish theories about UFOs and the Nephilim and all of these things. And so he was fascinating in the sense that nobody else was talking about this stuff. And so as a child, listening to his theories and his idea on aliens, these were sort of unheard of back in the 80s and 90s, especially within the church. And so that also was something that pulled me into the idea of what's being hidden, what kind of knowledge is being suppressed, why is it mainstream talking about this? Well, now you have Fox News and CNN and all these major media outlets talking about UFOs and UAPs and different forms of alien people. And I've listened to some of your other podcast interviews where you do talk about these different beings, if you will. Can you speak to that as far as are these Nephilim? Are these fallen angels? What exactly is this? And why is the government just now trying to disclose this when they've been gaslighting us for years saying that it doesn't exist?

SPEAKER_00 9:27

Okay, so this is a very deep and intense topic. So I'll try to condense it as much as I possibly can. So in my book, Hidden History of Humanity, I start with a tour of the solar system. And one of the main reasons I want to do that is to demonstrate the idea that our solar system appears to be wrecked. So specifically, there appears to have once been a planet between Mars and Jupiter that is now our asteroid belt. So I think to understand the idea that the solar system is wrecked, it helps to have a paradigm of what a normal solar system is like. So I eventually went so far as to write a paper that is available for free at my website on cosmic origin. So it's in the science section. So you can scroll down and get a sense of how a normal solar system would form. But in our solar system, we do see this asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. So the question becomes, how did that happen? So there's some ridiculous theories that people have for why an asteroid belt would suddenly appear, but the most plausible explanation is that there once used to be a planet between Mars and Jupiter that exploded. So then the question becomes, how do planets explode? So there, you could, of course, come up with some equally absurd theory of spontaneous planetary combustion or something like that. But the much more likely explanation appears to be that intelligent species were in conflict with one another. And as a result of that conflict, a planet was blown up. So the most rigidly scientific framework for understanding this exploded planet event was put forward by a famous astrophysicist, Dr. Tom van Flandern. So to access his work, you just go on the internet and look up exploded planet hypothesis, Dr. Tom Van Flandern, F-L-A-N-D-E-R-N. And you will see tons of scientific evidence that he put together showing how this planet could have exploded, where most of the debris went into the outer solar system and lesser amount of debris went to the inner solar system. He tags this event roughly at 3.2 million years ago. The reason why that would be significant is for anyone who wants to say that humans were involved with that, our understanding is that our specific species called Homo sapiens didn't come into existence until approximately 300,000 to 200,000 years ago. So it's too early in time for us to have been the ones who are out there. So someone else likely must have been out there. And then the question becomes who? Well, we don't have all the answers to every alien species that has ever existed. I will say that there has been congressional testimony, which is linked in my book, stating that a government official has announced that 57 different alien species have been catalogued. So of those 57 species, it appears as if three played a demonstrable role in our history. We might call them three alien superpowers. And they would be as follows: the first group pretty much looks exactly like us. In ancient times, they would have been taller. This would be a group from the Pleiades star system. They stood about 10 to 12 feet tall with gold or blonde hair, pale skin, like a number of us, and uh blue eyes. And they founded the civilization of Atlantis. There would have been another group, most likely from the star system of Sirius, that were amphibious in nature with blue skin. And part of the reason for them having blue skin, as I often point out from a scientific standpoint, would be because of their blood carrier. So for me, this is interesting. I have a strong scientific background, so I was able to cross-reference a lot of information that a number of other people might not be able to do. But in as human beings, we have an oxygen blood carrier called hemoglobin. And it carries oxygen, which is normally a ravager in nature, but it's not the only oxygen carrier that nature offers. There are several others. And one of those is called hemocyanin. So in the same way that hemoglobin is built from iron, hemocyanin is built from copper. And it's preferred for creatures who need to breathe oxygen in a low oxygen saturation environment. In other words, if they were amphibious or marine creatures. And this is why it appears as if these creatures had blue skin. Now, uh a very fascinating, intriguing story came to my attention after I wrote the book in relation to the face on Mars. So this has been a controversial topic for a long time. Is there a face on Mars? Is there not a face on Mars? But in a Why Files episode, you can access on YouTube. It turns out that famous comic book artist Jack Kirby wrote a comic book story in the 1950s called The Face on Mars. Now, how did he have access to that information before NAS did? That is an intriguing question. And the answer appears to be that he hung out with different members of the scientific community. And they were leaking information to him, and that eventually ended up forming the story of the face on Mars. Now, in and of itself, that might not sound like too much, but again, you just have to keep cross-referencing your clues because there's so many tiny fragments you have to assemble together. And there's an African shaman who says that visitors from the stars who apparently look amphibious came down and interacted with humans. And in history, you can look up this group that they were called historically the Namos, N-O-M-M-O-S. They are described as hermaphrodites of great intelligence. You cross-reference that with stories from people of Australia who say that they were blueberry-skinned gods who taught them in the ancient past. Cross-reference that with statements that were made by Manetho, an ancient Egyptian historian, who stated the following: He had seen effigies of the former divine and semi-divine rulers of Egypt who were hermaphrodites. They were neither man nor woman, and they reproduced asexually. So this would basically be parthenogenesis or virgin births that were taking place for the people of this particular species. And I have a citation for where that information comes from as well. And there's a third group, a reptilian group, who seems to be very intensely associated with not only the fall of Atlantis, but with the founding of the Bible itself. So some of the questions you might want to ask yourself in relation to Bible origins are there are references to four mountains of great importance in the ancient Middle East. One of the most prominent, of course, is Mount Hermon. So Mount Hermon in Lebanon is one of the highest mountains in the world. So I understand that there are people who want to say, okay, well, I believe in demons, but I don't believe in aliens. Question: Why would you think that meeting on top the highest points in an area is the most convenient place to have a meeting? Doesn't it seem more likely that aliens would have found that more convenient for them because they were coming down from the sky? Mount Horeb is also known in the Bible as Mount Sinai. But how did Mount Sinai get its name? Apparently from the Sumerian moon god whose name is Sin. So we have a Sumerian moon god associated with the very place where Moses supposedly spoke to God. Now, something else that's interesting about uh this Mount Sinai, and this is basically the core of the origin of the Bible for many ways. Um, there are several sources we can cross-reference. So, one of the more significant ones I would call people's attention to is R. A. Boulay. So he was an investigator and he was investigating reptilian alien ties to Earth's history. He planned on writing a trilogy. He only got two of his three books done. Uh so the first book is called Flying Serpents and Dragons. You can access that as a free PDF download that you can get online whenever you want, or you can purchase the book. The second book uh is called Dragon Power. Boy, when I was doing research, that was quite a story. So after I found all the exciting information in Flying Serpents and Dragons, I wanted to access Dragon Power because of how what an excellent job he did with the first book. Well, trying to find that book was incredibly difficult. So first it was hard to even find a copy. When I found a copy, it was a simple paperback book that was selling for $777.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

What?

SPEAKER_00 17:39

And then I was trying to find a copy I could just read to simply just go over the information. And they told me there were maybe only two copies I could find. One of them happened to be hoarded by the Mormons in Utah. And I was thinking, okay. So I said, okay, fine. Um normally I don't have to pay fees to read library books, but I said, Can I please have a copy of that book? And they said, um, no, we can't find that one. I said, okay. So the last copy left, Library of Congress. So I had to go through special links to get the one from the Library of Congress. They weren't able to give me the whole book, but they gave me excerpts from it. But if you read through that book, you probably will become increasingly convinced that there were a bunch of reptilian aliens who were running around the Egypt, Middle East who founded Sumer, and that you were uh mentioning as one of your topics of interest, the Garden of Eden. Well, in R. A. Boulet's writing, he focuses on the Garden of Eden and he's very specific about it. So, one of the more frustrating things for me in relation to both Atlantis and the Garden of Eden are the obfuscators who enter a field and they start confusing everything. You know, the Garden of Eden was all over the place. It's all over the earth, or it wasn't on the earth, it was on another planet, uh, and just stretching it all over the place. But no, in R.A. Boulay's research, he is very specific. The location of the Garden of Eden is Eridu. This is a site uh of the ancient Sumerians. And basically, what Boulay rather boldly states in Flying Serpents and Dragons is that a bunch of reptilian aliens came down, they went into a swamp territory, drained the swamp, installed new city straits that are uh basically made of what most people would call mud brick, but what I would prefer to call compressed earth. Compressed earth is a lot more intelligent sounding than just, you know, mud brick. And compressed earth has great thermal properties. It's very strong, it's a great basis for a civilization. And they founded five major city-states, each of which were in relation to space facilities. Uh Boulet describes a launching platform. He describes a weapons processing center. And the next question that might arise for some people, especially if they're aware of a deeper history, is why that site? Why did they pick that particular location on planet Earth to land? And in my opinion, there was a very specific reason. It's because the most advanced technology on planet Earth was located at the Giza Plateau, namely the Great Pyramid in Egypt. And there was an advanced civilization, one that I was earlier referring to, that was in control of that plateau. And that was the threat that they needed to take down. So, in my opinion, the Sumer region was a founding area for the events that we think of in relation to the Bible as a staging area to go after the Great Pyramid and its administrators, so that that threat can be taken down, because the whole quest here is a plan for planetary domination. So, what was really important to these reptilian founders was to scramble our understanding of our own identity. Because if as a species we do not have a history, then we don't have an identity. We don't know who we are, and we're much easier to control that way. So, what better way than to have a series of writings that suggest that our very origin comes from the Sumer civilization and that we didn't exist prior to that? Yet in my research, it was actually the Pleiadians who altered the extant A Pomenids on Earth at about 210,000 BC, and then later went through a significant upgrade of those humans on the continent of Atlantis, which we know more popularly in the anthropology as Cro Magnon Man. And Cro Magnon Man is the great mystery because whether you are someone who's open to evolution or whether you're someone who's open to the Bible, you must grapple with Cro Magnon man, whose appearance is approximately 30,000 BC. This would be long before the fundamentalist suggests that according to the Bible, everything got started at 4,000 BC. Well, then how did Cro Magnon man get started at 30,000 BC? Why did the Egyptians have records going back into the ancient past, which, according to author Tony Bushby and Secret in the Bible, state the following the sky traffic from the gods. Arrived in ancient Egypt in 17,500 BC, that Osiris appeared at 15,500 BC, that the sky god traffic ended at 11,850 BC. This is long before the biblical people think that the planet even existed. So in my research, the indication is the reptiles came down. They are not adapted to living on the surface of the earth. They're aliens. Okay, so they needed administrators who could at least walk around and breathe on the surface of the earth. So they created hybrids that are known in this research as the Anunnaki. So it is my belief that they took some of the Syrians and created reptile Syrian hybrids, which are known as the Anunnaki, but even those were not the perfect warrior force for a terrestrial conquest plan. They needed people who could walk around on the ground and conquer the earth. So to get that, they would need to create what we've become later known as the Nephilim. And Adam would have been the prototype of the Nephilims. So this would have been a pact that was apparently formed on uh Mount Ermin for some reptiles to break away and create this new species. But apparently there was a conflict within Sumer. So uh in the Sumerian pantheon are two figures known as Enlil and Enki. And it seems as if Enlil was someone who wanted completely controlled warriors that were clones that couldn't reproduce by themselves. But Enki, who's oddly called a champion of mankind, thought it would be okay if these new creatures could reproduce. And so a new hybrid species, Adam being the prototype, was created, first of the Nephilim, to promote this warrior force. And as Boulet cites in his writing, several other womb goddesses were recruited so that there would be even more Nephilim than the ones that would come simply from Adam. So this would explain the launching of a whole new bloodline. Now, for Boulet, he actually states that his understanding of Adam is that he is best understood as a homosaurus. In other words, he was part man, part reptile. And as other people have stated, specifically in relation to a Bible sentiment, let us make man in our image. The best way to understand that is let us remake man in our image, because man already existed. They wanted a more reptilian version of man. Now, when this starts to sound like we're stretching things a little bit too far, I always look for evidence to try and back up what I'm reaching in in terms of hypotheses. I started asking some questions because some strange stuff had come up in my present-day research. So one of the stranger things that came up was someone had told me that they had interacted with a very bizarre person with ties to the Freemasons and that they had a lot of inside information about what was going on in the government. And as I was telling this colleague about what some of my research found, he said, Well, that was really strange because one day one of these guys was talking to this girl that I know, and he lifted up his shirt and he had scales on his chest. And I said, Oh, well, that's really weird. So one of the things I did is I asked the question, um, and just doing general research, is there any evidence to suggest that humans have ever been found with scales? And the answer is yes. And you can find this very easily. So all you have to do is just look up the term called ichthyosis, and you will find that wherever these sumer-based individuals were located, there were cases of fish skin or people with human human beings with scales. And in case anyone thinks that, you know, you get fish skin from eating a bad hot dog or something like that, no, this is a genetic disorder. Okay. And so if it's genetic, that this means that something has tampered with human DNA that was creating scales on human skin. So all of this is to say that this these forces came down, they created a reptile warrior force and with a plan to take over the earth, and it extended through generations, and it really did because we go from the blood of Adam down through time to Noah. Now, I'm not sure if you've come across this story or not, but I'm sure you've heard the story in some form or another. But basically, it concerns the birth of Noah and the way his parents were reacting to the physical sight of his body. There was something strange about him, and people didn't want to see him without his shirt on. Now, people were terrified. And the question is, okay, why was he so terrified to see Noah without his shirt on? But if you go through over more Apocrypha, as Ari Boulet did, and some of the other writings that he had access to in his research, which he cites, he tells you the reason why everyone was terrified to see Noah without his shirt on. He had scales on his chest. And so this is part of ancient writings that people were aware of the nature of Noah, and it casts some of the biblical sentiments in a whole new light because basically what God is saying is that Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord. Why did he do that? Apparently it was because he had scales on his chest. He was more of a reptile than the other people around him. So this is why apparently the reptiles on high, as I call them, the ones who are up in an orbiting spaceship, um, wanted to see that he and his bloodline were preserved and the more human of the bloodline was extinguished. And so that is a little bit of the origin. I should probably pause there because I'm sure you have a number of questions.

SPEAKER_01 27:29

So a lot of things are going through my head as you're talking. You're talking about the people with the bluer skin. And immediately the movie Avatar came into my head because those are the blue skin alien type figures. They've made movies about these things. And then you talk about the reptilian people. And I think a lot about the Genesis account, the Garden of Eden, and how it talks about Eve was deceived by the serpent. And I've always said, I don't think it was an actual snake talking to her in a tree. I always thought it was a man and that maybe he had this reptilian type bloodline. And I was looked at as crazy, but I'm just saying it's a possibility. I mean, we weren't there, but the account is very interesting, I think. And the fact that where it was located, but also why God said you can eat of all the trees of the garden, but you cannot eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And the serpent was the only one that said the only reason that that guy over there doesn't want you to eat of it is because then you'll become like them.

SPEAKER_00 28:46

Okay, so there's a lot to break down there too. Uh so one of the things I would direct people's attention to, since uh even though we'll be going into a great deal of detail on this podcast, we don't have unlimited time. So there's going to be a website that people can visit called BibleOrigins.net. And according to the person who founded it, it is probably the most popular website on the planet for going back to original source material for the Bible. And so you can go back and you can see fragments from original Sumerian text and see how they got translated eventually into what would become the Bible. And one of the things that's strange about this specific thing that you mentioned is that you will see several times Bible passages have completely inverted. So, in other words, in the original story, it was the exact opposite. So Adam was being encouraged to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And he didn't want to. So then they switched the story completely around because they have agendas. And this is one of the things that shows up repeatedly in religion, which we may or may not have time to get into later. But you had mentioned equating religions to cults. Well, Newsflash, if you look in the dictionary, that's the dictionary definition of what a religion is in a cult. A cult is a religious sect, so you're not off base at all. That's exactly what they are. So cults have agendas and they're formed to create power bases. And the power usually comes in three forms through labor and money and land. And that's primarily why they get formed. They want to have the power that a cult brings them. And so they need origin stories that are going to lure people in and uh let them accumulate power. Look how much real estate the church has accumulated over the centuries. And uh look at how much money they've gained from donations and stuff like that. But to further probe what you're talking about, though, in relation to the tree of knowledge of good and evil, it is one of the more important concepts. So I will break that down as follows. I will tell you that in my research, I would call that tree of life as a symbol in sex tuplicate. And the reason why I would call it that is because it is one of the most important ideas in that is part of Bible history. So let's try to go through all six layers. So, layer number one, uh, this would be in relation to a substance well known in the ancient world, barely known in the present world, and it's called white powder gold. Okay, this was discovered by David Hudson in Arizona, and the story behind that is incredibly fascinating. I may go into more depth with that. I'll just complete my little sub imagery here. All right, so the next layer um would be the apples. So we hear the story of Eve eating an apple and that being a problem. Well, part of the snag there is that in ancient times, in that specific language group that started it all, there was not necessarily a specific word for fruit in that time. So apple was an arbitrary choice in that translation. So a plant of some kind might be involved. Now, it's interesting, these mushrooms that factor extremely heavily in ancient times, both in ancient Egypt and in Sumer, are called the Amanita muscaria mushrooms. And they are bright red or orange in color associated with trees. So it seems to me that the apple is actually a symbol of the mushroom.

SPEAKER_01 32:21

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 32:22

So then why would the tree then become significant? Well, I mean, where would these mushrooms most likely be found? Around certain trees. So when you have now we've reached the third level of symbolism for the tree of life, but then there's another layer of symbolism that goes beyond that, which is that uh I asked a question once and I was doing some research, and I started asking questions along the lines of would you be able to look at the mineral content of given terrain and figure out what kinds of trees might grow on that terrain based on the minerals that are there? And apparently you can't. So it seems likely that trees, such as the ones that would have Amanita mascaria, which in turn may contain white powder gold, uh, would be on a grid. So there's a grid of energy that runs through the entire world, which takes us into Norse mythology, which also has Yggdrasil, the tree of life. Okay, so then there's this energy grid that goes through the whole planet. And to reinforce that particular point, consider the following. Okay, so if we look at that on a map or a globe, preferably, we can locate its coordinates. Now, if we insert a cube into the surface of the earth, we would come up with eight special points on the surface of the earth. These would be the points where the corners of the cube touch the surface of the earth. Giza is exactly at one of those locations. If we go exactly 90 degrees west of Giza, we will land in the Bermuda Triangle, which is exactly where Poseidonus, the capital of Atlantis, was. So now we see that all there is an Earth grid, and everything was on this grid. So this is part of what the Tree of Life is suggesting. You can ingest this white powder gold, you connect to everything in the grid, but the grid doesn't just extend through the planet, it extends through the cosmos. There's uh a grid of energy connecting all intelligent planets. And to see that grid for yourself, you're welcome to visit my website on the links page, scroll down, and you will see a link to the cosmic grid. There's a woman, Beth Hoggins, who speaks about this cosmic grid so that everything in the entire universe seems to be connected to a cosmic grid. And then the sixth and final layer of this symbol is that there are realities on different frequencies. There are more positive frequencies of worlds above us where there are more positive beings that are doing much more positive things, like worlds of love and peace and paradise. And there are more negative worlds on lower frequencies, the frequencies of hell and demons and the rest. So this is a cosmic grid that you can access by taking this white powder bowl. Now we know that this was done. I think that there were positive ways of doing it that were done in Atlantis. This was by making yourself extremely healthy, living in a positive environment, loving the people around you. You could just increase your frequency and vibration and become psychic naturally. Or there were more negative shortcuts, such as using the Amanita muscaria mushroom, or taking fractions of blue lotus flowers, because blue lotus flowers are imagery that's all over the ancient world. We know that there were rituals that were involved where people would take these drugs and they would change. So to expand a little bit on what is possible with white powder gold, we'll briefly touch on the story of David Hudson. So David Hudson was a farmer and he was in Arizona and he was working on his land, and he liked to get gold when he could, you know, because he could trade it in and make a little extra money on the side. And then he started um doing tests of the things that he was finding, and something very mysterious started happening. He started encountering strange minerals in what he was doing. And after a while, it was so bizarre, he said, I've got to get this stuff analyzed. So he went to some of the greatest experts in the world and he said, Okay, I'm recovering something when I'm doing this. I have no idea what this is. And so they did tests, and what they found shocked them. Um, they were finding um elements with properties that were unknown to the mainstream science world. So eventually he called these the orme, uh, which is an amazing coincidence because there's an actual word in ancient Hebrew, or may, meaning tree of life. But he he was actually not even trying to hit that word. He it the word was an acronym for him because it stood for orbitally rearranged monatomic elements. These were the elements in the periodic table that it exhibited these strange properties. So, gold, when it was in this state, was weightless and it was like pure superconductive energy. And gold, to people who are familiar with electronics, is one of our greatest superconductors. So, gold in this special form was prepared in the ancient world and ingested as a food of the gods, which created perfect telepathy. You basically became one with the universe. No one could lie to you. You had perfect awareness of everything in existence. But apparently, dark forces overtook the mystery schools. And I should probably talk a little bit about the mystery schools. It is my understanding that in Atlantis, that when humanity was created, and especially when they were upgraded at 30,000 BC with the creation of Cro-Magnon Man, there was a plan from the very beginning for us to simply become enlightened. And I don't think this was just pure beneficence on the part of the Pleiadians. I sometimes refer to it as self-defense because I think if you have a cosmic perspective, then you start understanding that if a civilization goes wrong, it could contaminate other civilizations. If a planet then becomes corrupt, that planet could then corrupt other planets, and so on, and so on, and so on. And so I think the path to enlightenment, they were trying to encourage us to stay away from the dark side because otherwise darkness could spread everywhere. But unfortunately, uh, this seven-step program that was taught in the mystery schools was eventually perverted. And this is when dark forces invaded Atlantis. Uh, the shapeshifters were apparently there. Now, this is one of the more fascinating things about the negative reptilian presence in Atlantis. And this famous psychic Edgar Chasey talks about the downfall of Atlantis from reptilians led by a being named Belial, B-E-L-I-A-L. Okay, so he's very specific about that. He's doing these writings, and he dies in the year 1945. Okay, so two years later, Dead Sea Scrolls discovered in 1947. This is after Casey died, and what did they say? The evil force of darkness was named Belial, B-E-L-I-A-L, the exact same spelling. So that can't be a coincidence from my standpoint. So it just reinforces Casey's belief. The dark forces brought down Atlantis. And Giza was meant to be another legacy site to carry on the seven-step path to enlightenment. But after this war was fought, when the Sumerian civilization was founded, the Nephilim were created. A war was fought between the forces of Sumer and Giza. I believe this took place at approximately 3400 BC. I believe that hieroglyphics were forced into existence as a picture language because the Sumerians didn't speak Egyptian and they needed some way to communicate with the people they had just conquered to extract their secrets. They created hieroglyphics. They said, What are you teaching? They said, We're teaching the seven-step path to enlightenment. They said, Well, we're going to gut that. We're going to switch it out so it's going to barely resemble what it was originally. We're going to turn this to turning you, tune attuning you more to the dark side. And you will take Amony the Muscaria mushrooms, you'll you'll get high, and you will tune to the dark side through rituals. We're going to teach you and encode in the Book of the Dead. And so after the Great Pyramid, which was the most sophisticated device ever to exist on the planet, and let me just ex explain that for a minute. The Great Pyramid had at least four levels of functionality. So the first level of functionality I call the provision level. So it gave off such an intense energy field that nothing decayed. Now, the ancients didn't have refrigerators like we have, but they could preserve food pretty much indefinitely. And this was thanks to the energy that was given off by a great pyramid. And I think another aspect of the provision level of the Great Pyramid was its limestone chasing. So it is said in the ancient writings that the ancient pyramid could turn night to day. So how could it do that? Well, if you look up the research of Nikola Tesla, you will find that he did tons of experiments revealing things of physics that no one else ever saw. Now, people may be familiar with some of his work, but they might not be familiar with this particular nuance of his work. He discovered that if you took calcium sulfide and you oscillated it at 10,000 hertz, you could give off phosphorescent light. So there's three types of light that we normally encounter: incandescent, which is where you're intensely heating a filament to make it give off light, fluorescence, which is a little bit different, and then phosphorescence. And phosphorescence is the most efficient. The light is cold. You could touch the light bulb with your hand and it wouldn't burn. So this is like the glow-in-the-dark toys you may have seen when you were a kid.

SPEAKER_01 41:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 41:33

So the phosphorescent great pyramid was giving off full spectrum light, which meant you could grow plants around the clock, not just when the sun was out. You could have the pyramid light up at night and it created around it a treasure trove of food so that people would never run out of the food. So one of the wonders of the ancient world is known as the hanging gardens of Babylon. Now, most people will think that Babylon was in Iraq. However, author Tony Bushby, and you can see this in his second book on the theme of Jesus called Secret in the Bible, he shows you a map of old Cairo. And what you see in Cairo is the word Babylon. So the original Babylon was actually in Cairo. So it is my belief that the hanging gardens of Babylon, the second wonder of the ancient world, was the fruit yields from the crops that were grown in the light of the Great Pyramid. So this is how great the Great Pyramid actually was. So there was a next level of functionality, which was communications. This was done through the capstone that was atop the Great Pyramid. This acted as a resonating device to send signals. So when Tesla was doing his work in the early days in Colorado Springs before he got to the famous Wardencliffe Tower experiment, he was putting copper spheres on top of giant poles. These were really high off the ground with copper spheres at the top. And what he had found was if he had copper spheres that were exactly mass resonant to one another, communication signal could jump from one to the other. It was extremely effective telecommunication. It is my belief that atop the Great Pyramid was a capstone that acted similar to Tesla's copper sphere. It resonantly was capable of telecommunication. And to back that up, apparently one of the researchers who was also aware of the capabilities of the Great Pyramid, and I have the citation for this in my book. I think it's some author, Stephen Mailer, was talking about one of the places that the Great Pyramid was communicating with was apparently a community in the Grand Canyon of Arizona. So this is very interesting that they would have this kind of thing. The other thing that's also fascinating that was uncovered was the use of prisms. So Casey was talking about the capabilities of the ancients and talking about telecommunication using prisms. And then they found these crystals that worked with prisms. So why would this any of this matter? If you understand telecommunications, you understand that when you're broadcasting, you want to have a carrier wave that is unique so that signals don't overlap. That. So that if several people are having conversations, you know, on the phone, you're not hearing everyone else's conversation at the same time. You need a unique carrier wave for your conversation. So it's private. Okay, so how could you do that with a prism? Well, guess what a prism does? It splits light into different frequencies. Each frequency would be its own carrier wave. So this is something else that the Great Pyramid was capable of doing. Next level of functionality was broadcasting power. So imagine a power source so intense that just like Tesla's dream at Wardencliffe, where he was trying to erect a tower to broadcast three power to the world, the Great Pyramid did this in space. It was broadcasting power to any vehicle capable of receiving that power. So you could have ships flying through the air. And instead of even relying on an engine on their ship, they could rely on power that was just being broadcast to them from the Great Pyramid. And so this was something else that was done in ancient times. And finally, there was a defensive capability that is addressed by author Joseph Farrell. And to follow this sequence, you would read the books probably in this order for best understanding. So first start with The Giza Power Plant by author Christopher Dunn, a nonsense machinist who wrote an excellent book discussing the tech of the Great Pyramid. And if you can handle that and you want more, read Giza Death Star Trilogy by author Joseph Farrell. Intense Physics in that one will show you even more what the Great Pyramid was capable of doing. And then if you want to follow up one more time, you can look up Gregory Herman, who's done some outstanding work on the technology of the Great Pyramid. That's available for free online. So in Farrell's interpretation, the next level, the final level, is a defense capability where the Great Pyramid, in conjunction with other technology, could isolate any target on the planet and sub-nuclearly annihilate it. It was that strong. And it could bend space and time. It could communicate instantaneously with home worlds. Let's say that the Pleiadians, who I believe, have great the Great Pyramid, although that's possible there was other races that were involved. But if they needed to communicate with a distant world, if you try to go with conventional physics, it will say that nothing in trouble is faster than the speed of light. Well, if you did that, then there'd be this huge lag time. If you're trying to communicate between planets, it wouldn't work that well. But as other people have shown, the superluminal capability, the ability to transmit signals faster than the speed of light has been proven. And the Great Pyramid was capable of doing that. So it could create actual wormholes. And I have citations for that because there was a suppressed researcher you'll find in suppressed inventions and other discoveries, Thomas Moray, who was showing the capability for the creation of wormholes. And in addition to that, there were possibilities for transmutation that were suggested. And I happen to believe there's an object in ancient Egypt called the Waz Scepter. And you can see pictures of this if you look it up. But these were kind of like these staffs that you might see with a god like Zeus or something like that. That's a whole other story we get into, uh, directing lightning from a staff. So what was going on with that? These staffs, uh, the waz scepters would have been along those lines and they would have been capable of transmutation through plasma physics. This is where you direct a beam of energy and it can transform one element to another. So these capabilities that the Pleiades were trying to introduce to humanity for enlightenment, that if you study and you go through this path and you learn the ways of nature, of harmony, you can eventually reach a point where we will offer you white powder gold and you can have the consciousness of gods. You will see that the soul is real, that there's life beyond death. And the civilization in Sumer is interested in what I call a path of endarkment. So you may have heard the idea that in Freemasonry, there's 33 degrees. Well, that's meant to evoke the 33 vertebrae in the human spine at birth. So it's all about the energy climbing up the spine. So if you go in a positive path and eventually end up taking this white powder gold, it's like channeling positive energy up your spine that hits your third eye, that enables you to connect with all positive realms on the frequencies above us. And then the Sumer group was interested in the path to endarkenment, which is using drugs and tuning you more to the ways of thinking of the devil and the dark side. And if you do that, you will tune to the ideas of the devil and hell. And part of the symbolism for this, which is also lost to history, but still very important, is the symbolism of the $1 bill, where we see the all-seeing eye atop a pyramid. Now, there are some confusing understandings on that from my perspective. So I would break that down as follows. And that is the original pyramid on Giza was probably there at 10,500 BC, according to Edgar Casey, and served positive functions. It would probably have to have been, by its very nature, a clear capstone. So where is this idea of the all-seeing eye atop a pyramid coming from? It's coming from a pyramid that most people don't know ever existed. It's called the Black Pyramid of the Moon. So the Great Pyramid is also known as the White Pyramid of the Sun, but not that far away from it was the Black Pyramid of the Moon. It was a fourth giant pyramid on the Giza Plateau, which is no longer there because it was disassembled by Freemasons in the 1700s and it is now gone. So apparently they wanted to take that uh pyramid's remains for themselves. But what's interesting is that in ancient times, it tells you what was once atop the Black Pyramid of the Moon. There was a cube with a ram-headed god on four faces of the cube, the cube apparently being the precedent for what would later become mosques in a certain religion. And atop the cube was an all-seen eye. And at the heart of that eye was evidently a crystal ball. And it is my understanding that that crystal ball was used by the initiates in the Black Pyramid of the Moon to commune with Satan. So I just said a lot. And once again, I'm sure you have questions.

SPEAKER_01 50:05

So I'm interested in the whole pyramid thing because it's not just the Egyptians that had pyramids, but also the Mayans and other civilizations had pyramids. But then you also have these obelists, right? You have the Washington Monument as an obelisk. There's obelisk everywhere. Do those coincide with the pyramids? Is that something that's a communication thing?

SPEAKER_00 50:26

Yes, it is. And there's a book on this by Joseph Farrell and a colleague called Grid of the Gods. And it was amazing to me after I had worked out my own hypotheses of how this whole thing worked. I just saw him express like explicitly the very thing, the very conclusion that I had drawn up. And so basically, we have a few things going on here. So one is that the definition of a great pyramid matters. So a great pyramid is not just a really big pyramid. It is not. I mean, there's more to it than that. In order to qualify as a great pyramid, you have to have a specific slope. I mean, the mathematics of the Great Pyramid are incredibly intense. If you go from the base of the Great Pyramid to the apex of the capstone, you multiply that out, you will hit what's called the polar radius, which means the distance from the very center of the earth to the top of the north pole. It's a perfect harmonic echo. Somebody had to be incredibly intelligent to calculate that. And if you do the circumference of the base of the Great Pyramid, you multiply that out, you hit the circumference of the earth. So someone had to know that very precisely. So there are two paths, the enlightenment and the endarkenment path. So in the enlightenment path, you're reinforcing the positive energy in the earth grid. This strengthens your telecommunication and it stabilizes the entire planet. So this is a hypothesis that is reinforced by Christopher Dunn and by a Russian researcher, Alexander Golod, who talked about natural disasters or what we think of as natural disasters. These would be things like volcanoes and earthquakes. So how do these things happen? Is it purely random or not? Evidence suggests that a fully functional, positive Great Pyramid prevents natural disasters, that the earthquakes and the volcanoes would stop if we could just channel enough positive energy through the grid. And that was partly the function of a positively applied great pyramid. But the negative forces understood what they were dealing with. So they wanted to disrupt it. So it is my belief that the reptilians from their homeworld are fundamentally what we would call troglobions. That means cave dwellers. So they would be comfortable underground because they could tap geothermal sources of energy and they would be more comfortable in the darkness than they would be in the light. They hated ultraviolet radiation. So they would have been able to tamper with the earth grid by interfering with molten flows. And it appears exactly that's what happened. Because in Casey's account, he talks about underground beings who were tampering with volcanic forces, and this led to the first of the three downfalls of Atlantis. Okay, so that's one aspect of it. There's a field called cymatics, very, very important to understanding everything. So there's a website that's linked from my website where you can look at the work of Hans Jenny. So basically, what he discovered, and Galileo discovered this as well. Countless people have. If you have sound waves, they will create specific shapes in matter. So, for example, in Galileo's case, if there's a bunch of sand that's on top of a glass plate and you vibrate it, it'll form a specific shape. Okay, so how could that be relevant? Well, imagine the sun as a kind of musical instrument, and imagine the earth as a metal sphere that can vibrate with a music sung from the sun. A shape would be created in the surface of the earth or an energy grid. And you place a great pyramid at a specific node or intersection of the grid because it gives you extra power and energy to do the functions that you need the great pyramid to do. And if you are a negative group and you would like to contaminate and wreck this grid, you can put pyramids at grid uh location points, and you can perform hideous acts of human sacrifice. And the Aztecs are, of course, notorious for this. But the placement of their pyramids was to commit acts of mass murder because this creates waves of negative energy, which then contaminate uh the planet and essentially attune it to darkness. Their goal is to tune Earth to hell so that they can bring in demonic and diabolical forces into this world.

SPEAKER_01 54:43

So you believe there is a literal hell?

SPEAKER_00 54:46

I think that there is a lower frequency realm. Okay, that it's it's it's it's kind of like radio in the sense that there are realities on radio stations, and you can tune to which reality you want to participate in. When I was a kid, I watched horror films because I wanted to understand what people were afraid of, why they were afraid of it, and what the origins of people were. So most of the films, unfortunately, were incredibly stupid, but a few of them did tell me a few things. So one of the films was, oh man, it was awful to watch, but it was called something about a main character called Coffin Joe. And it wasn't even in in English, but he was going on these rants at some point about why the bad guys do what they do. And he was saying, you know, our mission is instinct. We hate the intellect, we hate reason. We just want to be able to feel wildly like animals. And I thought, okay, now that's resonating because when I look back to what I've learned about the dark side, that is the way a lot of these people act. They they can't stand the intellect, they can't stand reason. I was like, okay, well, good. I'm gonna come great at reason and intellect then, and I'll plug them that way. But uh another horror film that was uh really well done was called The Entity. And this was based on a real life story of a woman who had to grapple with a very negative force in her life. So the movie was so well done, and when it stated at the end of the movie that this was based on a real story, I thought, okay, well, let me check out a little bit more of this. And it turned out that the woman who was being tormented by this force had a strong environment of negative energy. There was alcohol abuse, there was physical abuse going on in her environment. And that triggered me to see a pattern, which is that generally speaking, these demons attune to negative energy, you know. So anything that is broadcasting a lot of negative energy is going to attract their attention. So if you don't want them around, I found a fascinating parallel with this spirituality in my health research. Because in my health research, there's what is commonly called the germ theory of disease. This is where everyone thinks that viruses and things cause illness. But if you go back to the late 1800s in the work of Antoine Béchamp, who was a counter and actually a superior researcher to Louis Pasteur, who gave us the germ theory of disease, what Béchamp said was extremely profound, which is that it's the terrain that determines whether you're healthy or unhealthy. If you create a positive environment in your body with water and positive foods, positive thoughts, loving energy, then you will not become sick. And isn't it fascinating how spiritually we see the exact same thing? It's the terrain theory of nations, if you will. If we create positive energy within nations, then we can get away from tuning to this dark side. But in terms of the pyramids, yes, they they located pyramids as uh I think Joseph Farrow said that the positive was a Gnostic quest for enlightenment. And he cites Angkor Wat, may have been uh another location on the grid where people were trying to do some positive work. And then other places were a dark quest for control by negative forces that wanted to contaminate the earth grid to help them better achieve planetary conquest.

SPEAKER_01 57:59

So, do you think that the idea of God that a lot of religions teach is that God is this male figure up in heaven that's basically made everything, created everything, and he and the Christians win in the end over evil and dark forces. What is your idea of God at this point? Since you have been able to study all of this stuff, what do you picture as God? Is it a singular being that's controlling everything or overseeing all of this going on? And also these like reptilian beings and these other life forms, do they still exist today? Are we off breeds of them?

SPEAKER_00 58:49

Okay, so I will get to the best part of your question on the positive side after I address the more negative aspect of it. So just going over some biblical terms. So one of the first launch terms I'm sure you're well familiar with is Elohim. And if you go over that word, it is a plural word. It is not a singular word. There's no person in linguistics I've ever heard who looks at that word and says that that's a singular. So the idea of Christianity being based on monotheism is kind of ludicrous based on the fact that Elohim was the first word used for God and it's a plural term in the Tower of Babel story, which I could go into details about what that was actually about. Um, in that story, let us go down and confound their language. It wasn't God saying that he was going to go down all by himself, it was a group of people. So the Elohim, to me, were the reptiles on high, probably what would be called the Siakar. Uh, these were the white-skinned Draco reptilians that are the leaders, and then the Seraphim or the fiery serpents were the ground forces, the ones who were probably more capable of acting on the ground. When we get to that exchange between Moses and God, uh, that's a story that also bears dissecting because of the nature of Moses. So one of the things that happened in this cult formation is that people kept creating stories to draw in cult followers and then doctoring the story depending on what their audience was. And this didn't just happen with Judaism, it happened in Hinduism, it happened in Greek mythology, it happened all over the place. You'd have to read through my book. I was like stunned by how many times religious stories got doctored in order to reinforce political control. But in any case, going back to Moses, Moses is a composite figure. Like many biblical figures are composite figures. I can show you the composite that led to King Solomon, which some people don't believe exists, but I can show you he was a composite, King David. I can show you he was a composite. But Moses is a composite of Akhenaten with Ezra. So Akhenaten was a heretical man uh who's probably caused more damage to this planet than almost any other human being. Um his time period was approximately, let's say, 1375 BC, and he led a heretical movement in Egypt against the pharaohs, and it was strongly in the direction of devil worship. And he was eventually expelled out of Egypt, and there began an exodus, which eventually led him to the region of the Middle East where they wanted to take over Jerusalem because this subject that we've been mentioning, the world grid and its uh communication capabilities, there are certain points in the grid where you can communicate not only with other parts of planet Earth, but you can actually connect with portals that will help you better communicate with hell. And according to R. A. Boulay, Jerusalem is a place where there is a portal to hell. And this is part of the reason why people were fighting over it so much because they wanted it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:37

That makes sense. Because I was like, what is the big deal with Israel, Jerusalem? Like, what is the so okay, you're answering this question.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:44

So Akhenaten led his forces in what I call the uh Rephaim 4-8 war, which is a whole other story, but they wanted to take over Jerusalem as the next best place to have access to a portal to hell. And so he took his forces over there and interacted with a tribe called the Mitanni. Things grew kind of quiet for about a thousand years, at which point uh another famous biblical character you may be familiar with named Ezra showed up. And Ezra had access to the library of Nehemiah. And Nehemiah has a book in the Bible as well. But Ezra was a mystery school initiate. He had been initiated in the dark sky version of the mystery schools and had graduated, and he was Amuse Moses. Okay, so that's basically where the name Moses comes from. So Ezra goes up on top of Mount Horeb slash Sinai and has a conversation with an entity of some kind. And the famous conversation that people will no doubt be familiar with is who are you? I am who I am, which eventually gets translated according to some as Yahweh, according to others as Jehovah. But author Joseph Farrell in Cosmic War brings up a very curious idea, which is if you take a direct anglicization of that conversation from the original language, you could translate that as Ia Asher Ia. So that that would be the answer that God gives when you ask him, Who are you? So what Pharaoh said is, well, you could interpret that as I am who I am, but you could also interpret that as I am Ea. In other words, God was just telling you his name. I am Eah. Now, just people who are not familiar with Babylonian mythology, they might say, Well, who the heck is Eah? Eah is another name for Enki. So apparently, it appears as if they were interacting with one of the Anunnaki atop Mount Sinai, and what was uncovered apparently by Lawrence Gardner. So this is one of the more interesting things I point out. There are so many parallels going on that you can only see if you pull out of looking at one nation's history and look at the history of multiple nations. But in Greek mythology, there's something called the Titanomachy, a battle of the gods, that takes place between two mountains. One mountain is Mount Olympus, and the other is Mount Othras. Okay, so that's interesting. So these gods were supposedly on top of Mount Olympus. So if you do the research, you'll find out Mount Olympus is an actual mountain. But if you go on top of it, what do you find? Nothing whatsoever. Okay, so where is this story coming from? Apparently, it comes from two mountains in a completely different part of the world. What were those mountains? Mount Oreb and Mount Sinai. Because if you go on top of Mount Oreb slash Sinai, what do you find? Apparently, an alchemical workshop that was visited by all the pharaohs of ancient Egypt. And they wrote down their alchemical formulas, and this was their place for communicating, communicating with the god. So apparently, Ezra took a bunch of scribes up atop Mount Oreb slash Sinai, went into this workshop, and put together what would eventually become the Bible. And fascinatingly enough, the real purpose of what would eventually become known as the Pentateuch or the Torah, first five books of the Bible, mainly had to do not with the story, had to do with the letters that were used to write the story. So this story comes to us from author Tony Bushby in Secret of the Bible. So the Hebrew alphabet is composed of 22 letters. Okay, so if you look, and this only works if you look at the original. You can't look at any translation of the original or any anything bopping through multiple languages. You have to go all the way back to the very original document that was written. You will see that those 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet are nothing but different visual angles of a special waveform. That waveform was the waveform that was present in the Great Pyramid's capstone. It's called the rainbow snake of energy. And it was one of the most fundamental sources of power for the Great Pyramid. So Moses was basically encoding information about the Great Pyramid into the Bible so that only The initiated and the enlightened would see that. The stories that were told to the rabble, you know, they could be anything. They didn't care. It was just about political control. So, for example, the laws of God that are presented in the Bible. Well, what Bushby and others have uncovered is if you take a close look at the laws that were supposedly dictated by God to man, they bear a suspicious resemblance to the laws of Hammurabi in Babylon. So apparently they just plagiarized that source and used that as their idea for where God was coming from. So as Boulet tells this story, Elohim are changing hands depending on which story you're looking at. So it's not a consistent thing. So the God of the Bible is not the same person every single story that you're reading. So in one case, it could be Enlil, another case, it could be Enki, and in another case, it could be one of the greatest figures of the ancient world who most people would this is a hill kind of huge story. But the inspiration for the characters of Adad in the Sumerian pantheon, I have shown, is pretty much the same as the figure of Odin in Norse mythology and Zeus in Greek mythology. Very huge story there. But he at some times is actually the God of the Bible, depending on the story that you're reading. So this is kind of where the biblical God comes from. And the thing that I've been calling attention to recently with people is if you study Satanism or devil worship, you will see that one of the central practices of devil worship is sacrifice, animal sacrifice. And if you start reading more about devil worship lore, you will hear the idea that the devil wishes to be perceived as God. He wants you to think he is the positive good guy atop everything. So what better strategy could the devil have than to create false religions that appear to be the opposite of devil worship, but are actually devil worship in disguise? So then the question I ask is: if we look closely at the major religions of the world, if we combine Judaism with Christianity, with Hinduism, with Islam, we hit 70% of the world's population. And if we look closely at those religions, here's the question I would ask. Do we see any evidence that these religions ever worshiped or embraced the practice of animal sacrifice? And the answer is all of them did. Every single one. And they didn't just talk about killing animals either. This is a point I like to emphasize too when people get a little touchy on this one. You didn't just kill the animal, you had to spray its blood everywhere. Sprinkle the blood everywhere. And that really annoyed me when I heard that. I was like, what is the deal with this? This is part of the reason why I was actually raised Catholic and I got too uncomfortable with it and I had to leave it when I was 17. But part of what got me a little itchy was looking at the focal point in a Catholic Mass, which is a sacrificial altar. Now, why is that? Why is that there? I mean, we're supposed to be this religion of peace, right? So what's the deal with having this sacrificial altar there? And then people might say, Well, no, you're looking at it wrong the wrong way. Am I? So why is it in the middle of the ceremony, we have this guy who's coming up there and he's saying these words, this is my blood, drink my blood. This is my flesh, eat my flesh. Now, all the devil worship religions do that very ritual. So why is it that at the heart of everything? I tried to look this up in relation to Islam specifically. I was willing to give them an out. And I said, you know, what is the position here? And they said, no, no, we think that sacrifice is a great idea. Now, at first there was a little hedge where they said, Well, we want you to sacrifice your time and energy for good things. And I thought, okay, so you're totally disavowing the animal sacrifice thing. That's good. But then up, a few paragraphs later, and then we do think it's a good idea that you kill animals too. But maybe just give them to the poor. And I thought, okay. So anyway, these traditions and they are in Hinduism as well. Hinduism does have traditions, the animal sacrifice, and as my research shows, the groups in Sumer infiltrated all these different religions around the world and spreading their ideas of devil worship and sacrifice. So from there, it comes down basically, in my perspective, to this question. If we want to identify God as the creator of the universe, there's two different approaches, broadly speaking. Do we want to get to know God through holy writings that have been translated through who knows how many languages with who knows how many errors?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:37

Or who knows who had control of the knowledge that we're given to? That's the thing that I always say. Like, who had control of us getting these 66 books contained in the Bible? You know what I mean? Like, you could go there too. But right.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:52

Yeah. And well, just to expand on that point before I go on, um, according to Bushby, when Ezra completed the Bible, there were 70 books in it, according to him. And it's 22 or 24 for the Old Testament, depending on how you reckon it. Uh, Bushby has his own interpretation of the 22 and 24. I actually have my own interpretation of it. There's two books in the Bible that have a one and a two. So if you combine those back into one, you would get 22. And the 22 corresponds to the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet. And those correspond to the 22 trumps in the tarot deck of cards, because the tarot deck of cards was encoding secret information from the Great Pyramid in Egypt because there were two rival factions that were vying for world control. One was the Druids based in England, which ties into the story of Jesus, which we may or may not get to. And then there was the Sumerian reptilian group that was vying for control. But the number 22 was important to both of them. So when we're looking at um the idea of religion spreading from a central point, the way I say it is this. Um, we may say physically all roads lead to Rome, but I would say metaphysically, all roads lead to Giza. Because when we go back and try to trace the origins of these religions, we will find everything somehow ties to Giza. There's a citation from Tony Bushby in relation to Jesus, where he was talking about how the character of Jesus was created. And he mentions that eventually they were trying to lure in people and they didn't have a compelling enough story from Yeshua, who was pretty much the primary Jewish source from which the Jesus Christ character was created. So they needed something that was going to sell better. So they needed a character who was really, really popular. So they were searching for anyone who could fill the bill. And who did they alight on? They alighted on Krishna of India. So much of the Jesus Christ character is a composite of Krishna with the life of Yeshua. Now, in Bushby's writing, he cites that there are 346 parallels that can be found between the life of Krishna and the life of Jesus. So I looked up his citation for that, and it's a book that is written by an author named Kelsey Graves. You can look this up yourself. The book is called The World's 16 Crucified Saviors, because this story has been retold a great many times. So one of the things that Graves mentioned that I thought was fascinating is the significance of the city of Alexandria. Now, I mentioned the city of Alexandria in Hidden History of Humanity, but the point that Graves called attention to was that yes, you may have a religion that's, you know, being practiced in Babylon. You may have a religion that's being practiced in India, you may have a religion in Egypt, a religion in Greece. Very strange that everyone seemed to meet in Alexandria. It was almost like the convention center of the day for cult formation. So, you know, how's your cult going? Hey, why don't you come visit us here in Alexandria and we'll share our, you know, we'll brainstorm together and we'll figure out how to create the cult in your local area that will work well for you. It's like it's this great business or something like that. So everyone seemed to have met in Alexandria and then fanned back out to their base and said, okay, now we're gonna locally adapt this to your local audience and bring in the followers and the money and the labor and all the rest of it. So that seems to be a large part of what was going on with that aspect of religious worship. So it to me, it's devil worship in disguise. Now, in relation to the positive thing, then how if you weren't gonna consult religious writings or a bunch of people who are coming up and you know staring you down saying, I represent God, you have to listen to me. So, how else would you go about life? Well, if you believe that God is the creator, why not study creation itself? So, it in other words, just go outside, look at how the mineral kingdom is designed, look at how animals are designed, look at how plants are designed, and you will see the work of God. And so that was how I look at God. I studied creation until I began to see beautiful, intelligent design everywhere. And I've seen this through all my work, my work in healing, my work in energy, um, so many different forms of work. There are signs of a brilliant, truly brilliant, inconceivably brilliant mind that created this universe. And what I believe was taught in Atlantis, well, actually, this is part of a seven-step program. The seventh step of the seven-step program is called final revelation. So when you get to the apex of the learning path to enlightenment, you are put through an out-of-body experience. Now, I believe in Atlantis, in Poseidonus, the capital, they probably just did this through sheer positive energy. Like you could drink white powder gold, think positive thoughts, focus on where you want to be, and boom, you had the experience. This was literally called theophany in the ancient writings. So theophany is Greek for revelation of the gods. So in terms of accessing or encountering God, you would drink white powder gold, your soul would leave your body, and you would encounter a god or gods firsthand. These would be, at the very least, positive creative beings on higher frequencies. And we can all do this if we become sufficiently positive enough. And that's my understanding. So the way I've broken this down then, this is how I see this, that there are realities existing on different frequencies, that the highest frequency of all, I call that the alt-tone, has a being on it that I call the transcendent. And my idea of God is an imminent God that's with an A, not an I. So it's basically a form of pantheism, is that God exists in all naturally harmonic things, the positive God. So, in uh some forms of yoga, for example, you'll hear the expression namaste. This is I bow to the God within you because you see God in all positive beings. And that's how I look at it. I see God in minerals and plants and animals that are harmonically tuned the way that they're supposed to be. And that there is, I suspect, a being I call the transcendent who is independent of this cycle of being individuated. And we can gradually grow spiritually. And one of the things that is stated about the higher frequency realms is that the higher you go, the more easily your thoughts are made reality. So for me, the spiritual understanding is based on something I call the apparent scarcity scenario. So in in my thinking, the apparent scarcity scenario is as follows God was once infinite and could do absolutely anything. Okay, so God wants, you know, a car to exist, a car exists. So it wants all the wealth in the world, all the wealth in the world. So keeps doing this until eventually, boredom. I mean, you could do absolutely anything all the time. There's no challenge in anything. So, you know, why keep doing this? Then this idea occurs. Oh, wait a minute. We can make life more interesting if there was challenge. What if we couldn't do everything? What if we had to exert some effort to do some things? There's a famous story in the Twilight Zone, which I cite at my website because I just love this story. So in this story, there's uh a criminal. So he's having a shootout with a bad guy and he dies. So he well, actually, he gets shot. So he's shot and he wakes up and he's in this luxurious bed. He's like, Where am I? So this butler guy comes in and says, How are you doing, sir? He said, Well, I'm fine. And so this criminal gradually gets used to this new world that he's in. And, you know, he would ask for things. You know, can I have food? Can I have water? And the servant's giving him every single thing that he wants. And so after doing this for a while, this criminal is getting really excited. He's like, Wow, I have everything I want here. So then he says, Okay, I want to rob a bank. So he talks to the butler guy and he says, Okay, so I want to rob a bank. You know, do you know any banks I can rob? And the butler says, Okay, so which bank would you like to rob? How much money would you like to eat away with? Tell me every single thing you want to happen during your robbery. And the guy looks at him kind of puzzled, like, every single thing. How could I know every single thing? That doesn't make any sense. Um, and then he says, No, you have to tell me every single thing. He said, Well, I don't want to tell you every every single thing. If I know every single thing that's gonna happen, there's not gonna be any challenge in doing this. And then the butler erupts and he says, What makes you think this is heaven? And then that's the point, is that if you can have everything that you ever wanted, there might be no challenge. So this is how we get to the apparent scarcity scenario. You end up in an environment where it appears as if your energy is limited and there's a challenge to gain the energy back to exist in a reality where all your thoughts and dreams can come true. So you you have three different options, and they are compete, share, or transcend. So if you choose the competition route, then you're gonna say, okay, well, maybe I need this resource more than this other guy does. And I don't necessarily care what happens to the other guy. I'm just gonna take it for myself. Okay, so now you start attuning yourself more to the dark side. And if you do that with enough force, you're gonna tune yourself to the lower realms of vibration, keep dropping as long as you keep that attitude up. The second approach is the share approach. You say, okay, well, so the energy is limited. Okay, so there's only so much food. I'll give you a little bit of food and I'll have a little bit of food, and there you go. And so now you're gonna stay on that frequency because you're not rising above that frequency. You're just get going along, you're not doing anything super negative, not doing anything super positive. And then the final approach is the transcendence approach. This is where you find you've dug so deep into the reality that you see this is an illusion. So in the 1970s, there was a famous energy crisis that everyone was told, oh my God, we're running out of energy. There's there's just not enough energy. You all have to skimp and you have to save, you have to compete, you have to share. And then the people who dug deeply enough, it was all an illusion. There was all plenty of energy for all of us. There's never been an energy shortage. This is the great secret of existence that it's not scarcity. We have every single thing that we need. And if we dig deep enough and we share that information with each other, we transcend this frequency. And I believe if we transcend this frequency and rise, we will go into ever more positive realms where more of our thoughts can be made reality until we're done. You know, so it's it's up to us to choose whether we wish to become positive or negative, and that's how I look at it.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:11

So, how do we get into that frequency? I've studied the law of vibration, the law of attraction, all those things. I've listened to people like Bob Proctor and Joe Dispenza talk about these very things. And Joe Dispenza even has workshops where people heal themselves because everybody in that arena or room is sending that individual with cancer or some kind of chronic illness or whatever. And they've said they're sending them all this positive energy, this positive frequency, and they're able to heal. I know people that have gone to these retreats and seen it with their own eyes. I think the Pentecostal church is a counterfeit of that. I think they're trying to say, oh, you're gonna be slain in the spirit, you're gonna be healed, and they're slapping people on the forehead and making people think this stuff. But how can, in reality, we actually get to that level of frequency where we have that abundance mindset where we're able to not look at the gas shortage or the gas prices as something that is going to limit us, but say, I'm not gonna participate in this narrative, I'm gonna rise above it, and it's actually not reality. I'm gonna make my own reality. How do we do that?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:34

So that is the very reason for being of my entire website. And it's designed to walk you through step by step, through the whole thing. I start with health and uh I wrote a book called Natural Healing Self-Epowerment, and that's designed to teach you the best ideas in natural healing from all over the world. I started off from that after reading the healing section of suppressed inventions and other discoveries. It introduced me to a whole bunch of healing modalities I'd never heard of before. I investigated them, found they all worked. I wanted to find even more of them. So I dug and I found tons of other people who had done excellent work, combined all of that together, extended the research far beyond its foundation. And now natural healing self-empowerment is in its third edition. The next step I had was fitness through Optiflex Fitness. I've had some breakthroughs with that recently. Physical fitness is not just um looking good and not just feeling good. It's part of spirituality in my work. Part of the reason why is because you increase oxygenation when you exercise. This changes your body's pH. And when you change your body's pH, yeah, it changes the life forms that will exist inside your body, which changes your vibration and your frequency. So from there, I go to science. Um, and I'm just about to update my vital vocabulary book, which will sort of give your mind new words to use to restructure your brain to think more positively. But I also have the math wizard. And so the math wizard is actually an attempt to resurrect the original seven-step path to enlightenment, because it appears as if after that war that I referenced earlier when Sumer fought the administrators of Giza and won and introduced hieroglyphics and gutted the program. I was tantalized by that. And I said, you know, if only we could get back to that original program that they were trying to teach enlightenment to, that would be a big help. And that was that idea drove me so much. I and then eventually I said, I have to take a crack at this. So I did. Um now in Bushby's writing, he gives a version of the seven-step path to enlightenment that was taught in the mystery schools of ancient Egypt. What I use that to extrapolate and recreate the original path to enlightenment. So I can talk a little bit about what that process is like. So the seven-step path that I've developed is as follows: Step one, math and materials. Step two, geometry and architecture. Uh, step three, logic and flows, step four, vibration and chemistry, step five, spectroscopy and astronomy. Step six, music and being. Step seven, final revolution. So, what would happen in that path? Well, in math and materials, you start learning about the reality that's around you. You start learning about the elements and building materials to, let's say, build a home and build a shelter. And in geometry and architecture, you learn how to assemble them, but then bring the home to life in the third degree, logic and flow. So, in logic and flows, you learn how to, how do I get water into my home? How do I get electricity into my home? How do I get ether or life force into my home? How do I get heating and cooling optimized into my home? I'll I'll just flow on that subject for a set uh a second. One of the biggest things that we fight over is energy costs during summer and winter. Now, why is that? It's basically because our homes are designed with incredible stupidity. There was an idea in ancient times called thermal lag. So with thermal lag, you would design walls out of adobe or limestone and they would be really thick. And what would happen is that during the day, when the sun was out and you wanted things to be cool, the stone would absorb the heat of the sun. And inside your homes, they would be cool. And then at night, the heat that had been collected during the day would be released. So at night, when you wanted things to be warm, the heat would be released and given back to you. This was part of human life for a long time before the information was suppressed. So you would go through this path and you would learn, oh wow, I can create my own homestead. I can have my own independent home that I never have to pay for. And I don't have any bills. I can provide my own power. I can become so enlightened that I can gather, as the ancients did, energy from the air. I can gather energy from the ground. I can have unlimited power. I could be free. I could have full spectrum phosphorescent light, like the Great Pyramid used to have. And one of the resources I didn't have occasion to mention in the podcast so far is a book called the Oralinda Book, one of the most important of ancient books that tells the story of an Atlantean legacy colony that used to exist in the North Sea. And anyone can access this book. They actually did a re-release of it. They were really excited about it. But this Atlantean colony that was once called Basilea in the North Sea had some technology that was important in the ancient world. And one of them aspects of the technology was called eternal lamps. And it is my belief that those eternal lamps were nothing more than calcium sulfide in a globe that was excited by static electricity, which was in pillars. Now, earlier you were mentioning about obelisks. Well, the people from this colony, this Atlantean colony, went south and they ended up in the Middle East. And they are known to you in the Bible as the Philistines. And the Philistines are legacy Atlanteans. They came from Crete. And they are also known as the people of the pillars, because they kept putting these pillars into the earth. And I believe they were doing that as part of their static electricity generation plan because there's a lot of things you can do in static electricity, including generating power and light. So you would learn this in the seven step path to enlightenment that's presented in my book, The Math Wizard. And you just keep going through this until you become an enlightenment. Enlightened being who's capable of going out to a given region of nature. You can build your own home, you can be free for life, you can grow all the food that you could possibly want, and you will have a life of abundance. And in doing that, you become a happy person. You're not have forced to do mindless tasks for soulless corporations, which many of us have to do in this life. So the goal is to become free like we were supposed to be. Uh there, there's even if you don't go all the way to the most advanced of ideas, there is a primitive set of ideas that is very easily accessible. So I coined a term in my history book called the calcareons. So why did I invent the term calcareons? Because it's working with limestone. So limestone is a pretty everyday substance. I mean, it's it's all over the place. So what can you do with limestone? Well, if you're an enlightened person and you understand how limestone works, these are some of the things that you can do with limestone. First, you can create a water system with it. Now, how was that done? The Atlanteans used to do this. They used to have reservoirs in mountain foothills that would collect fresh stream water, it would go into a vast reservoir, it would be conducted down a channel to their communities, and they would have limestone as part of the channel that was directing this water. Why is that important? Because the limestone has lime in it, hence the name limestone, and it increases the pH. And what we found about disease is that nearly all disease is from a deviant pH. Either you're too acidic or you're too alkaline. When you're constantly drinking the right water, thanks to being close to limestone a lot, you become a very healthy person. So limestone can give you that for water. Did you know you can take limestone, you can heat it, and you can make it malleable. You could turn that into a floor, you could turn that into a wall, you could turn that into a ceiling, and it's all for free from nature. Now, let's say that you wanted to combine the blocks of your floor together, and you wanted to combine the blocks of your walls and your ceiling together, and you needed mortar, where could you get that? From limestone. Now, let's say that you wanted to create a window. Well, one of the ingredients in glass is lime. So any society that was skilled with limestone could do a lot of things, including raising uh crops very effectively. Uh, one of the great researchers I came across is a French entomologist named Jean-Henry Faber. Uh, I always like to uh mention this story about Faber after I mentioned this other story about Faber, which is when I was reading books about insects in my early 20s, everyone was looking at me like I was nuts. Like, why the heck are you reading about some crazy guy who studied bugs in France centuries ago? I mean, what's the point? And well, ladies and gentlemen, this is the point. He mentioned that you could grow crops with extreme success if you mastered working with limestone in crops. There were four basic elements to healthy soil clay, sine, sand, lime, and humus. And what you what what could you do with the lime? You could take, let's say you uh went into a territory that had some scraggly weeds, didn't look like it was really capable of growing food too well. If you put the limestone using the methods that Faber discusses, you can transform the plants into humus. So humus is this rich brown dirt that people are familiar with in gardens. Question, where does the dirt come from? How many people have asked this question? Where does humus come from? Well, part of it comes from earthworms and their activity, but it can come from decaying plant matter. You can actually transform plants into rich dirt for growing plants. And this is possible when you don't understand how limestone works. So, what else can you do with limestone? Well, again, you can create those walls with thermal lac. So that means that you can use limestone to eat and cool your homes. Now, what about light? Well, I just talked about calcite, eternal globes. You can create lights for your home that will be on forever. And then I even mentioned possibilities for telecommunication and transportation with limestone. But the point being that in this path, you get to know how God designed the universe for you to succeed if you would just openly go outside, humbly look at nature, and say, How do you work? And then you you patiently listen, you patiently observe, the lessons come into you, and you become a free person. And as you're free of this stress and strain of our money-based society, okay, our money-based society is basically a creation of Sumer. I call it the three T's of torment that were introduced in the Sumerian model of civilization, which spread from Sumer, went to Egypt, went to Athens, partly through the despicable Akhenon, and then it went to Rome, and then it went everywhere. And the three T's of torment are tribute, thievery, and tithes.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:54

So you say tithes?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:58

So tribute is when they would force you, you had to bring mineral, plant, or animal wealth to the king. Okay, so in people would say, okay, well, what are we doing today that's like that? Taxes. Taxes, it's just the same thing as tribute. Okay, so thievery. So well, what are we doing today that's thievery? Well, that's banking. The whole banking system was begun by these reptile groups in silver, and they're running the banks to this day. So, yes, they are still here. And the tithes is literally donating a tenth of your goods back to the church. Now, the tithes go back to Abraham. Uh, he was one of the first people mentioned in relation to tithes. And one of the weirdest things about tithes was when I was researching Hinduism and I found tithes. I was like, what the heck? This is India. Uh, how did I get over there? But again, go back to that whole Alexandria thing that we were talking about before. This stuff was being exported and sent into one religion after another religion after another religion. And even if your religion doesn't have the whole tent thing, I'm guessing that I don't know. I haven't looked at every single religion, but most of the religions I were I were in, favorite part of the ceremony was we're gonna pass this basket around. Give us some donations. So that whole thing is going on. And, you know, part of the joke I come up with in relation to this is I guess in the Middle Ages, the church was like the largest of the landowners. And one of the reasons they became the largest of the landowners was basically slave labor. So, how did they do that? Well, okay, so they wanted to sell wine and they wanted to make the maximum profit possible. So they would say, Hey guys, why don't you work on our land and we won't charge you anything? Now, why would anyone go along with that? Well, because the monks would say to them, if you work for free, you'll get salvation. So I'm always reminded of the Bill Murray joke in Caddyshack, where he says he was caddying for the Dalai Lama, and he says, Hey, you know, can I get a tip for my trouble? And then Bill Murray says, The Dalai Lama said to me, When you die, you will attain total consciousness. So I got that going for me. So I always picture these guys who had to work, you know, stomping grapes for the monks, saying, Man, that was really tiring, and I didn't get paid anything, but I got salvation. I got salvation is going to come for me sometime. But it that that's the thing, though. When you go back to Judaism and the idea of a Christ figure, the idea of a savior, you're trying to be saved from what? From the people who are oppressing your society. And who are the people who are oppressing your society? The same ones who created the religion and the god that you worship. So when you go even to the concept of a Christ, and this is something that I'm not sure how many people were aware of this, but you know, just to pass this little information along, when you go back to after the Sumerians conquered the Egyptians and were ruling them from the shadows, they had these serpent headbands that the rulers wore. And they initiated uh a concept called the dragon court. And in the dragon court, these people had been trained in the dark side, and they spoke of being anointed in the mesa. And as David Icke points out in his book, The Biggest Secret, Mesa is a word which means crocodile fat. So they were anointed dragon kings, and you became anointed with crocodile fat, and you became a messiah, someone who had the messa put on them, or a Christ. So that is the definition of a Christ. And what did these people do in the court of Sobek Neferu? You can look up an article on this at Ancient Origins and read the article for yourself. They sacrificed people, you know, so they have these sacred crocodiles in a pit where they, you know, kept them as pets, but then they say that they had to feed them meat. And there's an implication, specifically in relation to the story of Moses and the whole thing about him being a baby in a basket, that he was spared. And he was spared from what exactly? And the implication is: well, he could have been one of the babies that was fed to the crocodiles by the leaders of the dragon court. In other words, one of the messiahs or the Christs could have been sacrificing him as a baby, because this was something that they did back then. So when we were speaking about a Christ or a Messiah, we're talking about someone who was in these traditions. So that's basically where that particular word came from. It's to me, it's not a positive thing at all. And I would hope that uh people would want to view all of that uh in a much more positive light and break away from those traditions. But the oppression that people were trying to get away from in Judaism, you know, in in uh early days of Judaism, the Roman Empire was the oppressor. Well, the Roman Empire's gone. So who are you who's oppressing you then? So in India, there was like supposedly some dictator named Kansa, and that was who they were trying to get away from. So you keep saying savior. Well, what are you trying to be saved from? Oppression. Where's the oppression coming from? The same Sumerian group that's giving you your religions, and if you want to be free of them, the best way is to learn how nature itself works. Learn what the creator created, work in harmony with it. There's a great innovator, Victor Schauberger, and one of the most important sentiments he ever uttered was this comprehend and imitate nature. If you go back through the negative traditions through all time, you will see a consistent theme. Doesn't matter who. Could be a religious leader, could be a political leader. But what all the negative people have in common is that they will use this specific language of you must conquer nature, which I equate to conquering your own mother. You know, it makes no sense as a strategy. Okay, so there's two paths. And in the path recommended by Schauberger, the great forester who had countless insights into how nature worked. Comprehend and imitate nature, work in harmony with it, don't try to conquer. So that's how I view God in the positive path is going out, understanding how nature works, work in harmony with it, don't try to conquer it.

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I love that because it's giving a much broader view of God. It's not containing God in the four walls of a church or a concept of a religious aspect, which is kind of where I'm at. You explained it a lot more eloquently than I have ever been able to. But just after I deconstructed the way that I was raised, I just have such a bigger concept of God and just a totally different view of things now that I'm out of that. So I appreciate you breaking that down for us. We covered a lot of ground today, but we're only getting started. In part two, we'll continue exploring some of the biggest questions surrounding our reality, consciousness, technology, and the forces that may be shaping the world around us. Part two will be available next week, so make sure you're following the podcast wherever you listen so you don't miss it. As always, I'd love to hear your thoughts. What resonated with you? What challenged you? And what questions are you still struggling with after today's discussion? You can find all of Tim's information, resources, and the relevant links in the show notes. Until next time, stay curious, keep asking questions, think for yourself, and never stop searching for the truth, even when it leads you outside of your comfort zone. We'll see you next week for part two. Thank you for listening. Before we close out, I just want to share a quick reminder. The stories told on this podcast are personal experiences and perspectives. They're shared to create awareness and connection, not as medical, legal, or mental health advice. Some of the conversations here focus on abuse, trauma, and other heavy topics. So please take care of yourself while listening. It's always okay to pause, skip an episode, or step away if you need to. And if anything we talked about brings something up to you, we encourage you to reach out to a trusted professional for support resource. You don't have to carry any of this alone. Thank you for listening.