Part 2: Who Really Runs the World? | Tim Kelly

In Part 2 of my conversation with Tim Kelly, we go even deeper into the theories, philosophies, and historical narratives surrounding power, consciousness, centralized control, and humanity's future.

This episode explores topics ranging from ancient civilizations and secret societies to central banking, free energy, spirituality, independent living, consciousness, media narratives, and the importance of thinking for yourself.

Whether you agree, disagree, or fall somewhere in between, the goal of this conversation isn't to tell you what to believe—it's to encourage curiosity, critical thinking, and meaningful dialogue.

In this episode we discuss:

Who may really be influencing world governments
Central banking and global power structures
Ancient civilizations, Atlantis, and historical theories
Consciousness, vibration, and personal sovereignty
Why dependency creates control
Free energy and suppressed technologies
The role of media and political division
Healing, self-sufficiency, and reclaiming personal freedom
Why questioning everything matters
What are your thoughts? Do you think humanity is waking up, or are we becoming more divided than ever?

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SPEAKER_00 0:22

Welcome back to the Unholier Than Thou podcast. If you haven't listened to part one of my conversation with Tim Kelly, make sure you go back and start there. Because today we're diving even deeper into some of the most controversial ideas we've explored on this podcast. In the second half of our conversation, Tim shares his research on ancient mystery schools, Atlantis, alternative theories surrounding the historical Jesus, secret societies, bloodlines, artificial intelligence, and the power structures that he believes have shaped human history for thousands of years. As mentioned in part one, Tim has chosen to conceal his identity for personal safety reasons. So if you're watching on YouTube, you won't see his face during the interview. As always, this episode is not about telling you what to believe. It's about exploring ideas, asking questions, and examining perspectives that challenge mainstream narratives. Some of the topics discussed today may sound unbelievable, controversial, or even unsettling, but whether you agree with them or not, they raise important questions about authority, history, spirituality, and the nature of reality itself. So let's get started. They're just the frontmen. Who do you think is really running the governments of the world? And what is the ultimate goal?

SPEAKER_01 2:11

Okay, so there are several things going on. So if we go back to the alien angle for a second, we find a researcher named Len Caston, who has cited in my research. And the story that he tells is not necessarily one where we have tons of reinforcing evidence, but we do have some reinforcing evidence for it. And the suggestion is as follows: When the universe was created, intelligent life arose primarily in two different areas. There was a negative intelligent life that arose in the Draco constellation. And these would be reptiles, Dragonians, as I sometimes call them. And there was positive life that arrived in the Lyra constellation. And this could have been avian type beings or cat-like beings, but eventually led to Pleiadian or human-like beings. So eventually there was a confrontation between the Draco and the people in the Lyra constellation. The result was the explosion of three planets and the loss of millions of lives. The Dracos acted as predators throughout the whole cosmos. And eventually the more positive beings in the cosmos formed an alliance together and wanted to protect themselves against the predation of the Draco. It sounds as if the Draco allied with a different group from the Orion star cluster. And they eventually had this rivalry for control of the entire cosmos. So, as I understand it, it was a Syrian group who was fleeing the Draco tyranny who came to our solar system and settled on the planet that is now exploded. And uh they were the amphibious blue-skinned people whose face was eventually carved on Mars. And I would say that partly because the face on Mars looks an awful lot like the figure that was held up by the African shaman who held up an image of what the beings from the stars look like. So it appears as if the Syrians had settled on this uh planet between Mars and Jupiter, and the Orion group showed up and were trying to lead them more to the dark side, starting off with a lot of corporate stuff. And this the story goes that eventually they reached a point of advanced AI. And as the advanced AI started getting out of control, the Syrians got upset and said, You're going too far, stop this. And they said, No, we're not stopping. And they kept escalating. And the next thing you know, the planet was destroyed. So which is a little scary because we're right now in the exact same boat. It's almost like we're repeating the entire same story. So it appears as if after that planet was destroyed, that some of the Syrians went to Mars and lived there for as long as they could until the exploded planet stripped Mars of its atmosphere. It was one to watery planet two. And they eventually came here and founded uh Lemuria Lemuria in Atlantis. The Pleiades had supposedly arrived on the planet called Maldek or Phaeton or a few other different names, the name for the exploded planet. And they were trying to guide people to a more positive, enlightened approach. And that didn't obviously work out when the planet blew up. But then they came here trying to enlighten us. So they upgraded the extant the Abominence at 210,000 years ago, then went through the second upgrade at 30,000 years ago. And this is the story in Greek mythology, which states that Poseidon, a being from the stars, made it with a mortal woman named Clato, leading to 10 demigod twins. So it's five sets of twins, and their names are recorded in Greek mythology. These would have been the ancestors of Cro-Magnon man. So for answering the question, where did uh Cro-Magnon man come from? Apparently it comes from this upgrade. Because if you look up Cro-Magnons, their remains were found in the village in France. And how did they get in that village in France? Probably from the Canary Islands or the Azores. And those two islands are vestiges of the Atlantean continent that used to exist in the Atlantic Ocean. So in Casey's account, Atlantis falls because it was infiltrated by shapeshifters led by Balayo. And it this is a plan of conquest that the Draco have played out in one star system after another star system after another star system. They just go wherever they want to go and take the planet over by infiltration and doing shape shifting. When I first heard of this idea of shape shifting, I scoffed at it because I have a strong scientific background and I was just like, no animal can do that. That doesn't make any sense. Uh I thought it was like some kind of holographic overlay or something that they were doing, which I could believe, you know, maybe they have advanced holotech or something like that. So then I started researching it one day and I started getting increasing signs that it wasn't technology and that it was somehow natural. And I was then I got more frustrated and I was like, how can this be possible? I've never seen any animal do this. I've seen chameleons do the whole color shifting thing, and there's some other animals that can do that type of thing, but never full-blown shape shifting. So one day I was researching and I plugged in, can any animal actually shape shift? And the answer is yes. And I was like, What? So the animal in question is called the Mimic Octopus. So I have a link to this creature at my website, and it is one of the most bizarre things you will ever see. This animal can take on the shape of, it'll look like a snake, it'll look like a fish, it'll look like something that has legs that runs along the ocean floor. And it doesn't just imitate the shape of the creature, it imitates its behavior. This thing is super smart. And I've and I said, okay, and wait a minute. How is it doing this exactly? I mean, like I wanted the physiological explanation of how you're doing this. So I looked it up and they've found these creatures and they dissected them and they found things that they've never found on a creature. So the color shifting element of biology is called a chromatophore. The mimic octopus not only has chromatophores, but has two other structures I've never heard of leukophores and eridophores. So again, no other creature I know of biologically has these components, but they enable these feats of mimicry that are astounding. And when you look at David Icke's accounts, um, he didn't just, as some people will look at him, going back to ancient writings and say, okay, well, he's interpreting the ancient writings this way. There's a lot more to it than that. First of all, we have the Ubaid figurines, which are lizard creatures that are shown in the region of Sumer right before the Bible gets started. So you have that gone for you. You have the Ichthyosis, which I previously mentioned. But then Ike has accounts from several women that were present at devil worshiping rituals. And all of these different women, you have Kathy O'Brien, is probably the most famous. She wrote a book that is by far the most difficult thing I've ever had to read. It's called Transformation of America. Do not read this book if you're a kid. It will really give you nightmares. It's a horrible, horrible book. Um, she was treated in such a way that you would think no one could ever recover. And she does a lot of interviews today talking about her experiences.

SPEAKER_00 8:47

And was she taken in by the government as an MK Ultra? Was it what was the reason? How did she nailed?

SPEAKER_01 8:54

You nailed it. So she was in a abuse through several generations. So she was chosen during the Ford administration. She knew President Ford as a pornographer, and um, she knew many people in the government as being deeply associated with child trafficking and pornography, and she was inside MKUltra to an extreme degree. And there was a government agent by the name of uh Mark Phillips, an incredibly positive individual who, due to his unique background, was able to spot an MKUltra subject. And when he realized that Kathy was an MK Ultra subject, due to his training, he actually had the skill to extract her from the program. So he used his methodology in talking to her in special ways, getting her to cooperate with him. And he pulled her out. And eventually he was trying to awaken her, and she was resistant. And he knew from his background that if she would simply write, she would engage the left part of her brain, which is very important to breaking the programming. So she wrote and she wrote and she wrote, and then eventually she lit up. And the crazy part of it is when you read her story, you'll just feel so bad. And you'll think, okay, this is this makes me so uncomfortable. I probably don't even want to hear anything more from this woman afterwards. But then she is filled with so much light and positivity. It blows you away. I mean, she is incredible with how positive she is. And it's it when you see someone transform to that extreme, it's gotta be an inspiration. I mean, just to see someone become that positive after that much darkness is incredible. Uh, the Man in America podcast has a survivor series that he just wrapped up, or maybe he's still in the middle of it. I don't know. But if you go to the Man in America podcast and watch the Survivor series, you can watch several MK Ultra victims who are describing to you a power structure behind what's going on in the world that David Icke's witnesses mentioned going to ritual ceremonies where they saw various world leaders. In the case of Kathy, she saw the former president of Mexico, Miguel de la Madrid, transform into a reptile. She saw the Bennett brothers who were supposedly in charge of the U.S. educational system. She saw them transform into reptiles. She saw other world leaders transform into reptiles as well. She's not the only person saying this, though. There's a lot of other people who saw the same thing. Uh Ike cites a story. Take this however you want to take the story, it's up to you. But he talked about people who were using psychotropic drugs. And when they were in their trips, they would go outside and they would see other people. Some people looked just like human beings. Other people looked exactly like reptiles. And the thing that was noticeable about this is that with repeated trips, the same people would always appear like reptiles. It wasn't like it would randomly switch from one person to another. It's just so for me, I I have a paper at my website called The Musical Design of Species, which states that DNA is at its root musical. So as your soul is adventuring on its soul journey, whether it wants to fully explore positivity or whether it wants to explore negativity, that is encoded musically. You tune to a reality. And as you live each lifetime, you could become more positively, which will basically change your soul music so that you can attune to a higher vibration. Or if you want to explore the dark side, you can introduce more negative vibrations in you, in which case you will tune into an incarnation closer to the dark side. So, in terms of what these people were seeing, it there is a negative force that is going to try and provoke you, it's going to try to seduce you. And just like the stories always say, the devil will only go where invited. You know, you have to make that choice that you want this negativity in your life. And apparently, if we go back to Sumer, we will see that the Nephilim bloodlines were created and there were the Canaanites. And the Canaanites spread to become, in many instances, the pharaohs of ancient Egypt. And when we track it further, we'll see that ancient Greece was infiltrated. This was largely due to Akhenaten's influence. And then we see these bloodlines, which are eventually referred to as the black nobility, going into ancient Rome. So, for example, some people may not know this, Emperor Augustus, the first of the Roman emperors, was initiated in the Mystery School of Egypt. And it appears as if he is of a bloodline that is tied to the Egyptian cherubs. So basically, what was happening was that as these Sumerian type hybrids had been created and were becoming more human-like, more easily able to pass for human, they spread out to one country after another and became their national leaders. Until if we look at planet Earth today, we have more than 190 nations. And it appears as if one of the ways that you can diagnose infiltration from the dark side is a central bank. So nearly every nation on earth, there's less than a handful of countries that have not been taken over by a central bank. Iran's one of them. Total coincidence, right?

SPEAKER_00 14:17

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you can even look this up on Google, people. I mean, this is not like a you know, we can just look up what countries are not under the central bank and then figure out who's being attacked and who's gonna be next. That's they're already talking about it.

SPEAKER_01 14:32

So it was a form of in Lule's writing, he describes finance as a form of black magic. I mean, you look at the coinage, you will see an inextricable link between religion and money because the first coins that were minted basically had religious symbols all over them. And that was part of the control system. And it really, as many people have pointed out, it's really not money that is the problem. It's the way that money is approached. You don't have to approach it this way. There's a story that was brought up by investigative journalist John Rappaport, excellent researcher, and he talks about the Isle of Guernsey and how they created a fiat currency that was not cabal currency. They were fine. They're perfectly fine. If your society is healthy, the money's not going to be a problem. It's when your society is run by sick people that you have a problem. So the what we need is what we see then is at the very top appear to be reptilians who may or may not still be here. I'm not sure, but they're hybrids who can shape shift, who are beneath them, and they are communing with dark forces, which they can communicate with in through any number of ways. It can be through crystal balls or black mirrors. I hear that there's a story or something, some popular television series along the side.

SPEAKER_00 15:45

I never watched it, but yeah, it's called Black Mirror.

SPEAKER_01 15:47

Yeah, there you go. So I actually got into that in my ancient writing without knowing anything about that. But there actually is a tradition of these black mirrors in ancient times.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

You know what's weird? You say black mirror. When you say black mirror, you know what I think about? What I I think about our cell phones.

SPEAKER_01 16:05

Which I do not have, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 16:07

Because they look like a black mirror when they're not illuminated. It's just, I don't know. That's just my mind. Things pop into my head as you're saying them, and then things pop into my head. Maybe there's no coincidence with that. I just think it's weird.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

But yeah, when you go back to ancient times, when I was researching the topic of black mirrors, it there's the number of coincidences were astonishing. So there is a thing called a black mirror. It was designed of all places in China. They had a specific form of copper or mercury that was used in the creation of a black mirror. Now, mercury, of course, is one of the most potent neurotoxins known to man, even though you can do a lot of amazing tech things that were done by the Syrians using mercury, but they created these literal black mirrors using forms of mercury. Now, I don't know, maybe the neurotoxic mercury messed them up so bad that it helped them out. But the theory was that you could commune with the dark side through these mirrors, but only if you were committing sufficient negative acts of atrocity. So if you were, you know, sacrificing a lot of children and tuning a lot to the dark side. So, in other words, if a healthy positive person were to stand in front of one of these black mirrors, they'd probably only see the reflection. And so they think, oh, there's nothing to this. But if you were a really sick, twisted person who had been killing babies and eating them and doing all this other sick stuff, you would look in the mirror and you would actually see a demon who would be able to communicate with you and tell you, give you further instructions. And according to Goulet in relation to Jerusalem, to piece all of this together, he mentioned sites where the ancient oracles were. So there's an ancient oracle at Delphi that people may have heard of, the Oracle of Delphi, and there was another Oracle at Dedona. And what Boulet found interesting was if you go to a map and you put a dot on Jerusalem, you put a dot on Dedona, and you put a dot on Delphi, straight line. This was a communication grid. So again, if with Jerusalem possibly having access to hell, the instructions for how to take over the world go out from there, from a lower frequency realm to whoever's attuned to it. But they need, as you say, puppets. You have to be willing to go along with the dark side. And most of the time, this is done. I'm not sure how many people are aware of all of this type of stuff, but in order to become a political leader, usually they have what they call compromise on you in Russian. So basically, they will take someone who looks like they're malleable and they'll get them in a position of doing horrific acts with children, record it, and they'll now they have a permanent black myth. So there's no way you will ever deviate from their plans once you're in palette. So that's where a lot of that is coming from. But one of the key points I would mention in relation to your question is this. We often focus on what's atop the pyramid because we we think in terms of its hierarchy, like, you know, if we can only understand what's at the very top, then we might be able to do something. But honestly, the key idea I would like to express is it's more important what's at the bottom. We're at the bottom. And the reason why we're important being at the bottom, we're inviting this. Okay. We enable it. You know, just like some people talk about an alcoholic and enabling an alcoholic behavior, we enable this. And we enable it by not choosing to assert our soul freedom. There, there's so many innovations that have been taking place through Tesla and so many other people that would enable our freedom. But when I look back at the stuff that I used to hear as a kid in grade school about good and evil, I would hear, oh, you know, all this stuff about good and evil. And they didn't help their case the way they presented it. It was like, oh, you're gonna eat that Snickers bar. You're gonna go down the path of the devil and do that. So it's like, nah, you know, you're you're not convincing me too much. So I didn't see too much of good and evil. I can't tell you too many of my classmates really struck me as being super evil. But what I can tell you is I see a lot of laziness. There are a lot of people who just don't want to do things for themselves. And there's nothing a devil worshipper likes more than someone who says, you do it for me. So if you go through your life and you're like, okay, you give me the religion, you you give me the government, you know, you give me the businesses, you give me the educational system. Devil worshipers love that. And as long as we keep doing that, we are creating this mess. One of the greatest researchers in this field is Professor Anthony Sutton, who wrote a series of excellent books, including Energy, the Creating Crisis, National Suicide, The Best Enemy Money Can Buy, where he was talking about how the U.S. actually financed people like Hitler and it financed Stalin, even though most people might find that shocking that the US was involved in doing that. But US banks and corporations were involved in these types of enterprises. But what Sutton said is when will it all stop? It will only stop when people stop trying to get something for nothing. Okay, we have to become a productive society, associate through voluntary associations and take our power back. Basically, the stock market, real estates, anything where you try to get something for nothing, that is the lure. And you have to reject the lure. And it's it's less about being good than it is about being diligent. You have to be willing to do the work. You know, I say things like, let's think about getting our own independent water supply, show how to do that at my website. Let's get our own independent food supply, show how to do that at my website, own independent power supply, so on. So as much as we complain about the dark forces in our lives, go going back to what I was saying earlier about that woman in the entity horror film, you have to be negative to invite that stuff into your that vibration, into your life. If you don't want it, improve the terrain, improve the terrain inside you, improve the terrain around you by seeking your own independence with effort as much as possible. And we would be the ones in charge of this reality. Ultimately, reality is a result of collective consciousness. Every single person listening to this podcast matters. You matter. You're spreading information. I mean, it this is not, they're not in complete control. They're nudging reality. They're not in complete control of it. If enough of us wake up, we would be the ones in charge. So all of us together are in charge of this reality.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

We just have to decide at a certain point and we're not going to participate in the narrative that they're putting out there. It was interesting that you said a lot of them, or probably all of them, are involved in child sex trafficking, child sacrifice, all of those things, in that they take video of people doing these acts. So that's okay. That is the whole Jeffrey Epstein thing. This is exactly. And the thing that upsets me is that this is and not to get political, because I don't ever like to get political on the podcast because I have people that are on both sides, right? That believe one way and people that believe another way. But I don't like to be gaslit. So if if it's if we've been told for eight, 10 years that there's this whole child sex trafficking ring going on, politicians are involved, royalty is involved, so-and-so's involved, all these celebrities are involved. And then when the person that gets into office says they're going to, and you use the term drain the swamp, you did. I was like, wait, where is that where this is coming from? Like, where I don't know. But when that person gets into office and promises that they're going to do that and they're going to put these people in jail, they're going to drain the swamp, they're going to get rid of the child sex trafficking, they're going to basically be the hero of the world. And then when he gets into office the second time and then gaslights all of us and says, there's nothing there, we all need to move on. It's not important. What do you make of that?

SPEAKER_01 23:36

I have learned to be extremely cautious about everything. So in relation to the first term, there are several things I have to keep in mind. And I can't say I know for sure everything that's gone on. I've just done a lot of research and been exposed to a lot of stuff. So one of the things I was exposed to is the idea that the guy who ran the first term might not be the original. So there's a story that there was a helicopter crash that took place in 1989, that he died in that. And that the one who ran in the first term was one of the clones or the doubles. Could be, and that's another thing that's part of all this that I know this is getting really weird, but they do have clones.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

Yeah, they do have clones. They absolutely do. In fact, there's a website that people can go to called Cloneid, and they will talk this says they've had clones for years.

SPEAKER_01 24:25

We don't know exactly who was running that first term. There's some a number of different things that are um were interesting in relation to that first term. I'm still trying to fully grapple with some of the ideas that were put out during that time in relation to what was going to happen. Because part of the thing, okay, Phil, I know David Ike had zero faith in this thing from the beginning. And he said, Oh, this is just Operation Trust all over again. So he cites the story about how in Russia, when Stalin was doing all this dangerous stuff, that they put out this operation to put out feelers and say, okay, we're gonna take down Stalin because he's really terrible, and or Lenin or whoever. And um, who's on our side? And we'll gang up on this guy and we'll clean the whole thing up. You know, who's with you? And so they basically found out who was a rebel and then they went after them and they destroyed them. So that is Ike was like, oh, it's the same thing all over again. And he mentioned how Q was evocative of Drake, apparently was a similar psy-off operation to find out who was on the other side. First of all, you could have gotten people on your side without pushing the propaganda anywhere near as far as it was as it was pushed. If you had just said you were going to clean up the economy or address certain other fundamental issues or release free energy or something like that, you would have had tons of people on your side right there, you know, release cancer cures. If you had just stopped your propaganda right there, you had a lot of people on your side. But then to say explicitly, oh, these people are child traffickers, oh, these people were involved in devil worship, oh, this goes all the way back to ancient times and stuff like that. There was another layer of risk that was being introduced into the story, which has never been fully addressed. So I tried to find out more about what may or may not have gone on. And I can't say I agree with what this guy is saying today, but he did a little documentary on it. The guy's name is Josh Reed. And a story that he told resonated in a certain sense. So let me explain how it resonated. So when you go back over the story that I tell in Hidden History of Humanity about reptilians coming down and creating hybrids on the planet, there were two broad groups of hybrids, though. There was one group that was based in the Middle East, so I call them the Middle East Homosaurians, and there was another group that was based in China, called the I call them the Far Eastern Homasaurians. So I think that you had hybrid bloodlines in both of these regions, and that where some people might look at certain scenarios and see good guys versus bad guys, I eventually was led to no Middle Eastern versus Far Eastern Homasaurians. So as I started looking at this breakdown, I started seeing people who were influenced by a group in the Far East and a group who were influenced by a group in the Middle East. And in Josh Reed's documentary, he was talking about how it appears as if people from the Chinese Communist Party were extracting extremely sensitive, high-level intel from the US government, from US military bases, and siphoning it off to China. And that different people who were cited as adversaries that were going to get cleaned out when the swamp was drained all seemed to be tied to that Far Eastern group. So now what I'm wondering is were they that crazy? Was it the Middle Eastern group that was behind this the whole time? They were going to lure people to their side by taking out their rivals in the Far East, portraying themselves as good guys, but they themselves were traders all along and they were just going to laugh at the very end when they took us all over. But the other thing, though, that became somewhat prominent in the research in the last several years, I heard multiple stories on this. There's variations on the story, but the story is along the lines of somewhere in the 2019 to 2021 area, the first term guy that we saw was removed and was replaced by someone who's totally different. There are some people who say that that is a clone or that that's an AI robot. There are people who, during the Biden term, were pointing out the similarities of his stride to a robot stride. And everyone knows, well, I don't know if everyone knows, but the technology for latex masks has improved drastically.

SPEAKER_00 28:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

And so much so that actually there's a true story of a CI rep who was in the Oval Office talking as someone else for a long period of time. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

And then talking to this was Reagan's era.

SPEAKER_01 28:33

And just pulled the mask right off our face. And so we've seen people wearing these masks and they're peeling off while they're talking and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 28:39

So like real like Scooby-Doo guys for real.

SPEAKER_01 28:42

So as much as I there are any number of figures you were mentioning before how celebrities are involved in this and stuff like that. So I guess what I'm doing just for my own safety, for my own spiritual safety, I'm trying to say to myself, I don't know for sure who's who. So I'm not gonna say for sure that this celebrity was the one who did that. Was it that celebrity? Maybe it was. Was it a clone? Was it something some I call them gruppets sometimes, but are or is it is it some kind of artificial life? Another thing that we know is going on is state of the art with AI. So there's an idea that is mentioned called synthetic biology. So it's the idea that not only can you have AI in a typical hardware computer that most people would think of, but you could have it encoded into something that could invade the cells of the body, possibly invade the brain. Like a lot of people have talked about the so-called black eye club, and that there's some kind of injection that goes in that attaches to the optic nerve. Is there a way to introduce a combination of biology and technology to turn a human being into a puppet? And if that's the case, can we blame the guy in office for being the original? Or is it somebody who's been taken over? Ultimately, you know, Chris Claremont, the author, mentioned this idea. In the end, what's really gonna matter most in our spiritual growth is focusing on principles and not people. You know, so if you place all your bet on, okay, it's got to be this person, whatever they say. No, it's got to be principles. It has to be standing up for what you know is right, it has to be asserting your conscience. One of the things that you hear repeatedly from these guys is we want to reinforce the rule of law. And and in a famous Bush speech was it's an improvement over the law of the jungle. That's debatable. So, from their interpretation of the law of the jungle, which is, I think, actually wrong, I would say that the rule of law is worse than the law of the jungle. Because from my standpoint, the rule of law is basically forced cronyism. They're taking all their allies and they're making them rich at your expense, and they want you to adhere to that law. So the thing that they are most upset about, Thoreau was my one of my favorite philosophers of all time. And one of his discussions in an essay was in relation to morality, and he was talking about the law. And then his question was, Well, why does every man have a conscience thing? And that is the question I would put out to the people or the world. You have a conscience, you have your own individual sense of what's right and wrong. Do you really think that you should be bowing down to the people who create law, people who probably worship the devil and eat children and are psychopaths and look to them as people who are creating laws that we all need to obey? At what point do you say to yourself, I'm an individual sovereign soul, and I have a conscience and I have my own ideas about what is right and wrong?

SPEAKER_00 31:40

I think that is a question that we all should be asking ourselves. It's scary to me how much faith people put into the politicians and the divide that's happening right now, just even in our own country, how polarizing it is with left and right. And I've been having more and more conversation with a couple of people that I'm very close with, just telling them like, hey, both sides, they're working for the same people. It's just a manufactured division to keep us divided and fighting.

SPEAKER_01 32:18

So classic, classic symbol, double-headed eagle, two heads go to the same stomach.

SPEAKER_00 32:23

Exactly. And so, in order for us to not have a sovereign mind and to be able to think for ourselves and to be on a higher frequency, because that's what you're telling me the ultimate goal is to keep us down, to keep us enslaved, to keep us confused. And so we don't ever get to enlightenment. We never get to the point where we're able to think for ourselves and be a sovereign being, right? Am I hearing you correctly?

SPEAKER_01 32:54

Absolutely. In some ways, when people think about the classic stories of good versus evil, they usually think in terms of the way that they're presented in cartoons, which is um combat, where you have like a strong bad guy and a strong good guy in that they violently fight one another. But as you look more closely at this, what I see are parasites. These are people who don't like to work, that they want you to provide their energy for them. And when you go back to the story of the Garden of Eden and the creation of Adam, there were certain reptiles who didn't want to do work. So they created this slave who would go tend the garden, give them fruit, give them animals, give them sexual playthings. They've been adopting that same approach ever since. Generally speaking, most of the time they do not like to fight. They don't seem to be comfortable with the actual physical confrontation of the violets. They act more like parasites, like leeches. And that's why whenever I hear this phrase elite class over and over again, I use the phrase leech class. That's because that's there's nothing about them that's elite. Their productivity stinks. If you look at their engine efficiency, it's abominable. I mean, almost every single thing that they're doing is it's an illusion. And of course, one of their favorite stories is Wizard of Oz. You know, it's all about this illusion, this projection of power that they're trying to get you to believe in so that you will feed them energy. So it's to me largely about parasites needing hosts and enjoying the power benefits from killing certain animals because of the release of negative energy, which intensifies their power. You've probably heard the story of adrenochrome, and that's obviously a big part of it.

SPEAKER_00 34:27

Yeah. About the adrenaline that's coming from terror of a child, right?

SPEAKER_01 34:38

So, in in my health research, just to mention this too, I am finding slowly the ways to regenerate the human body. And I'm doing in many ways the exact opposite of what they're doing. So, what they've hit on is a fundamental truth, which is that the quality of your physical body depends on the quality of your blood supply. So when they live these lives of decadence, their blood supply becomes crap. And so they say, Oh, well, how can we fix that? Let's get fresh blood from a healthy human being. The younger you are, the less contaminated your blood. So we get to live forever and supposedly cheat death, but of course, that's ridiculous. Then we see they're dying all the time. And they take fresh blood from healthy people, but it's because they're doing it in a negative way, the effects are temporary. And so when they're robbed of their fresh blood supply, they look like rotten corpses after a little bit of time. And what I'm doing in my research is what I'm finding, when you're completely in harmony with nature, you're providing the body with all the nutrients that are necessary to completely construct red blood cells and repair the blood vessels. And as you do that, you positively improve your blood flow. And I'm zeroing in on total body regeneration. I've already seen different forms of regeneration positively. But, you know, another aspect of this too, and in terms of classic themes, is death. I mean, because if you go over your fantasy stories and people who are in the know about esoterica and stuff like that, you will see the idea of death often being equated with the dark side. So in Lord of the Rings, there's Mordor. Okay, that's the land of death. Who is the nemesis of Sherlock Holmes Moriarty? This is related to death. In the Batman movie, uh, with I think it was the George Cluny one or one of them. There was a discussion with Alfred the Butler. And uh Alfred says, What is Batman? But an attempt to defeat death. And so it was sort of like a hint to the audience of this is the villain we keep presenting you with. We're terrified of death. And so this is what we're all trying to fight because we want to live forever. And so there's these uh desperately, and in some cases, ignorant, in some cases enlightened approaches to death. It's it's like the most fundamental idea in human experience. And if you're an ignorant person, you're terrified. Like, oh my gosh, I'm not gonna be here at all. It's just horrible. And then you're like, oh, I'm so desperate. What can I possibly do not to die? It's so frightening. And but then if you're an enlightened person, you don't look at it that way. You understand the soul is real, you are gonna go to someplace beyond this. It might not be a biblical heaven, but there is going to be life after death. There are experimenters such as Robert Monroe who have had their soul escape their body. I myself have had unapplied experiences several times. So I know what it's like to have my soul outside my body. I am not terrified of death. I'm not gonna sit here and say, oh, well, I have to yield my conscience because I'm so scared. Honestly, you know, if I have any thoughts along this line, it's like if I get taken out quick, I've led such a positive life. I know I'm going to a positive place. So I'm like psyched to be taken out while I'm still positive. You know, so I know that there's gonna be something better. So I'm not afraid of it at all. So uh it's all just many times. I remember a friend I lost during uh COVID for speaking about natural healing methods. He was a medical doctor and he didn't like the research I was doing into natural healing and challenging allopathic medicine. But I remember he said to me, You said something very profound to me one time. You said, My whole life is a study and reaction to death. And I said that to him because when I was a kid, I saw a lot of people die. And I everyone's gonna see people die, of course. But the thing that was different, maybe about me as a little kid and some other people in relation is that I got it. You know, when I saw death, I was like, this is going to happen to me. And so that changed my priorities a lot. You know, when I whenever I start getting into certain situations, like I sometimes I would see people arguing and I would just start singing, the Beatles, life is very short and there's no time. And people look at me like, okay, we're gonna die. Okay, so let's try to minimize the nonsense and optimize this experience where we're here. It to me, it wasn't so much a shock or a fear. It was we do not have time to waste. We're only here for a few seconds. Let's make this as positive as we can possibly make it.

SPEAKER_00 38:59

But I hear you say that. And then I also think, well, if we have multiple lives, then what is the point? You know what I mean? Like we don't have to be so urgent here if we have another life.

SPEAKER_01 39:12

Again, you have to think about the consequences. So, going back to the apparent scarcity scenario, if you just share your way through this life, you might find out yourself in the exact same scenario all over again. There was an idea that was circulating around on this piece of paper. I can't remember what all of them were, but it was called the rules for being human. And one of the rules said you will be presented with the same scenario over and over again until you learn your lesson. So basically, that's what's going on with the souls. You know, you will keep incarnating into the same types of scenarios over and over again. You can either choose to compete more and then you'll go down, or you can choose to share more, you'll keep being presented with the same thing over and over and over again, or you can choose to transcend, look beyond the illusion, look and find that there actually is a way out. And if you do that, you can have whole new realms of experience. And you can do that quickly, or you can do that slowly. It's up to you.

SPEAKER_00 40:05

I do like to think in terms of us being in a school of some sort to where we're here to learn various lessons throughout our life. We can take certain paths, but ultimately the goal is to learn those lessons. And then the next life, you're higher, not higher, not like you're a higher person, but just that you're more enlightened. I like that concept of we're here to learn lessons. My first marriage was abusive. And it took me two decades to talk publicly about it. And about a year and a half ago, I actually told my story on a podcast that then ultimately became my podcast. I remember saying for 20 years, why did this happen to me? I did everything that I was told to do my whole life. I lived by the book, I obeyed my parents, I did everything I was told to do within my religion and was ultimately told this is who you're gonna marry. I went into this arranged marriage, all these things happened to me. And I just was angry at the end of it because I'm like, this is the reward I get, you know, this is what I get for doing all the things I'm supposed to do. But ultimately I decided that, okay, I'm gonna take this, I'm gonna learn the lessons I need to learn, and then I'm gonna try and help other people that are in similar situations. And I think that we are given a duty to help people in these lives through circumstances that we're met with, maybe hardships or whatever. When we come out of them, the lessons we learn, we're supposed to help other people through certain situations too. Um, in order to put that into a positive framework, right? Because I could, I could sit in my depressive thoughts with it and say, oh, it ruined my life. Oh, my path could have been totally different if I wouldn't have obeyed my parents. Oh, this, oh that, all the hell that he put me through for 18 years. I wish I didn't have to go through that. But ultimately I decided to reframe it and say, okay, I learned a lot along the way and it made me the person I am. That doesn't condone what happened to me. It's just, what am I gonna do with that now? So yeah, that's one of the reasons why I do this podcast because I want to help other people. I want to get people information to equip them and help them through whatever they're going through as well.

SPEAKER_01 42:44

Yeah, there was a famous writer, wrote bestsellers called uh Jonathan Legisla Seagull and Illusions and a few other books. But um, Illusions was a story of adventures of a reluctant messiah. It had a fantastic opening to it, but it had a lot of these spiritual lessons were which were contained in short sayings in the book. And uh one of those things it was we seek problems because we need their gifts. There's no such thing as a problem for us without a gift for us in it in its hands. And uh another famous expression from that book is in the path of your happiness shall you find the learning for which you have chosen this lifetime. So I thought that was a very profound and well-expressed statement from Richard Bach. And one of the things that I really liked about um illusions, what a fantastic way to open the book. So he opens the book deliberately. It was printed on what looked like rough, greasy paper with somebody scratching stuff to make it more human-like. And it was the story of how this Messiah realized his nature and his mission. And he started speaking to people in terms of parables. And um, his wisdom grew and people wanted to follow him. And so eventually there's large multitudes. Seeking his wisdom. So he went to address them one time on a hillside, and he was trying to teach them the best spiritual path he knew. And he asked everybody, he said, If God told you what to do, you think that you should do what God asks. And then the people were sensing a classic Messiah story in the making here. So they're thinking, Yes, yes, you should definitely do whatever God says you should do. And then he says, Okay, but what if what God asked you to do was painful and could possibly bring you great physical harm? And then the masses say, Oh no, if God says you need to be hung by a tree or hanged to death, definitely do it. It's whatever God asks. Okay. And then the Messiah pauses, just sort of making sure everyone's on the right page and thinking. And then he looks at them and he says, And what would you do if God spoke directly to your face and said, I command you to be happy all the days of your life? Because when you think about pursuing your own happiness, you know, I mean, imagine if you were to today stop doing all the things that you have to do to pay bills or anything that made you unhappy. You know, would it be easy? You know, when you pursue your happiness, it's a challenge. And there are a lot of lessons that you have to learn, but it may very well be that in the path of your happiness shall you find the learning for what you've chosen this lifetime.

SPEAKER_00 45:28

So profound when you think about it like that.

SPEAKER_01 45:32

Yes. Well, we're all individual aspects of, I believe, a divine creation. And you know, we all have a purpose. Like I said, this entire reality is a result of collective consciousness. And if you want to choose to work in harmony with nature, you can grow and increase your vibration and experience more positive realms where there's a lot less suffering and there's a lot more joy. I mean, I've already glimpsed that. Right now, as far as I'm concerned, we're living in a twilight zone because this reality should not be what it is. When Tesla did the work that he did, he was giving free power to the world. We that should be up and running, could be up and running any moment. You know, we we chose to make that decision. We would all, we could all have independent homesteads uh where we were completely free from the meeting of animal necessity. You know, people talked about salvation from ancient times. What's the main thing we need salvation for? We have to need to, we have to get our animal needs met. I talk about the 10 basics of civilization all the time. It's not about religion, it's not about money, it's not about government. It's really about the 10 basics of civilization. Those are water, sanitation, food, shelter, power, heating, cooling, lighting, telecommunication, and transportation. At some point, every one of those could be a matter of life or death. If we choose to work in harmony with nature, we could have independent homesteads far easier than the classic homesteads that most people think of. Most people will think of, oh, well, you'd have a gas generator for that, right? No, no, no. I'm talking about free energy from the sky and the earth, and you'd have unlimited energy, unlimited lighting. You'd have a car that runs. Keep in mind some of this stuff. So, in relation to cars, the original diesel engine, it's designed to run on vegetable fuel. The original Model T was designed to run on vegetable fuel, and it was made of hemp that you grow in the ground. So we're talking about car payments where you could maybe grow your own car in your backyard, make it in a workshop, run it on vegetable fuel. We're heading towards an energy crisis and supposedly a food crisis where tons of people are going to starve. And who knows, thousands potentially could die when the impact from this overseas conflict hits us. And it's completely unnecessary. When I started hearing people saying, oh, we have to watch out for these foreign uh fertilizers that could get cut off, or we're gonna get our drugs cut off from China, I'm thinking, are you people crazy? Number one, you don't need drugs to be healthy. Okay, so you just learn how to eat natural foods, you will be fine. The second thing is, okay, the diesel engine runs off vegetable fuel. You're so concerned about an oil shortage, why not bring back the diesel engines that runs on vegetable oil? And it not to mention the fact that other inventors have shown that we can run cars on water. Jules Verne put this into one of my favorite classics of all time, Mysterious Island. It was sort of a, in some ways, a follow-up to 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, but it was a brilliant book. In that book, an engineer type character and his buddies are in a hot air balloon and they're castaways. They're drifting through the sky, a storm blows them onto a remote island, and they have to create civilization from scratch. And unlike the Swiss family Robinson, Jules Verne was just a very smart man. Actually, he was probably a mystery school initiate, now that I think about it. But he talked about recreating civilization from the creation of fire all the way up to the telegraph. And he wrote it in that book. And this is something that all of us could do. You know, you fight City Hall, you could do that, or you could build your own. And that that option is there. It's always available, open to us whenever we choose to take it.

SPEAKER_00 48:52

And I think that we've been taught, but there's only certain people that have this knowledge. You know, you have somebody like Elon Musk, he's a genius, and we're told we're not at that level. There's certain people who are so intelligent that they can come up with these concepts. But I think a lot of these concepts, as you've explained throughout the time on this podcast, have already things that have already been in existence that I think were just suppressed from the public that they already had knowledge of, and they're maybe allowing somebody like an Elon Musk to say he invented this or that. What are your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_01 49:35

Okay, so basically, this is a pattern that people can see very, very easily when they do the research. So I don't want to say that that the garage inventor is a myth, like some people say, because that's not true. There are people who've done things in garage. Stan Winston is an example of that. Stan Winston was like the premier effects artist who behind movies like The Terminator. He created the armor up sequence in the first Iron Man movie. He didn't go to school. He even messed around in his garage, in his kitchen. And he became so skilled at it, everyone sought him out without any formal training. So that does that kind of thing does happen. However, in the case of several other industries, we could look at Apple, we could look at Meta with Facebook, we could look at Elon Musk. We have frontmen who are sponsored by the military and Intel agencies within the military. You're going to be our frontman. We're going to put you up front as the super genius. And I guess the thing with Elon Musk was that he posed as an expert video gamer. He was supposedly super skilled at this obscure video game, or to me, it's obscure. Maybe it's popular with other people. But he was like a number one ranking, and you had to like put in a gazillion hours to do that. And there was no way that he could have done it. And when people asked him questions about his video skills with that game, it turned out he was like an imbecile. He had no idea how the game actually worked. So it was obviously this was a cover story that was a lie. Commentator Catherine Austin Fitz said if you analyze his tweets, there have to be 30 Elons. No human being is capable of tweeting that much during a day and doing all the things that he supposedly does. I've heard that Elon himself may be a clone. So he could be another person who is also a frontman. So again, we don't know who these people are, but a lot of frontmen are put up to make government agencies seem more platable. So, in other words, so part of the theory with uh Facebook was boy, it sure would be nice if we could have all the private information from the public, but if we just start stripping that information and they find out about it, that'd be pretty bad. People might get angry. What if we could get them to give us all the information in their private lives voluntarily? How could we do that? Facebook. Put a front man up there. And now people are like, oh, yeah, this is what's going on in my life today. And you're like posting photos and you're telling everybody who's in your family. And so now the government's like, oh, great, this worked out perfectly. Now we have everyone's private information. So they they do put frontmen up to guide things. But the main thing to understand is that whenever they're talking about anything that supposedly on its face is positive, it's their version of positive. Like, for example, when I hear the word sustainable, first of all, I'm very sensitive to words, um, slightly dyslexic. So I'm gonna win unscrambling anagrams pretty quick. So if I take the word sustainable, I find the word sate in there pretty quick. Uh, when you say sustainable, it's there's a concept that is often mentioned by Jordan Maxwell, a former investigator who's no longer with us, but he would talk about Black Slaw Dictionary, which is that when the cabal uses words and they speak to the public, they use phrases and words that mean one thing to them and they mean something completely different to the general public. So sustainable is an example. So if I hear sustainable, I know what my definition of it is, but I also know their definition of sustainable, sustainable for them, sustainable that will keep them in power, not keeping an energy source infinitely renewable. So, you know, no matter what they say, like, oh, well, we want to protect the planet. I'm sorry. I have like 20 innovators. You've crushed every single one of them. You never care about any of it, the solutions they had offered. I have there are countless solutions. Let's talk about agriculture for a second. Okay, so people were talking about, oh, we want to have all these fertilizers and stuff like that. This is one of the most amazing stories I found after reading suppressed inventions and other discoveries. So there is a conflict in the late 1800s heading into the early 1900s between two figures. So one was Julius Hensel, you can look him up, and the other is Justice von Leibig. Justice von Leibig gave us NPK, nitrogen, phosphorus, potassius, industrial fertilizers. Okay. They're horrible. If they're so good, why are the plants needing herbicides and pesticides when they're nourished with these nutrients? Obviously, they're not that great, but Julius Hensel had a better way. They crushed rock to powder, forming what's called rock dust. This created a mineral wealth, put it, put that into the soil, no herbicides, no pesticides were needed. The plants flourished. And after we heard this, we did experiments with zucchini plants. And I had one, there was one zucchini plant traditionally raised, it was just like a little scraggly and tiny. The rock dust plant was four times the size. The fruit was huge, rich in flavor. This is what harmony with nature looks like practically. You can see that everyone who has been screaming about, oh my gosh, we have no fertilizer. Do you have rock anywhere in the United States? Because all you have to do is crush it into a powder and put it into the soil. Granted, it is best because it has a trace mineral profile that's full spectrum, but anyone could do this. We we don't have to run out of food. But they were going around and, you know, and then this whole thing about, well, you have to kill your cows, you have to kill your chickens because there's a problem with eggs. It's never about truly making things positive, it's about increasing their control. I mean, why was it during COVID that all of a sudden they're running out saying, well, you can't garden? Where's the logic in that? What is it, right? How does that make sense? It's all about fostering dependency on them. And that's the agenda that we have to break away from. We have to create that more independent tree lifestyle. There's a founding father of the United States, and this is what I often say on the subject of freedom. So people sometimes overseas will celebrate the United States because of its constitution. And then I take a closer look at that and I ask questions. So you say the Constitution is the great guarantor of freedom. So where is that? So let's take a look at part one of the constitution. What's the one of the first things that the U.S. Constitution wants to do? Tax people. Okay, so that's not freedom. Okay. If that's going back to the Sumerian model, the U.S. Constitution actually had a provision in there where the United States Treasury is supposed to create the money. And yet we're borrowing all this money from central banks. So why is that? That doesn't make any sense. That's not freedom, and that's enshrined in the Constitution. If the government creates the money, then the government could allocate the money that it prints for government projects, and there would never, ever be a need for taxation. So then some people will say, okay, well, maybe I'll see your point. I guess the constitution isn't the guarantee of freedom, but it's that bill of rights, though. Okay, so let's go to the Bill of Rights. So the very first amendment, the one that people get most excited about, talks about five forms of freedom. There's press, religion, assembly, speech. And so people say, okay, so if you have that, then you have freedom, right? And I would say, no, because there was a founding father named John Dickinson. And he said, we cannot be happy if we are not free. We cannot be free if we do not have our own property. We cannot have our own property if without our consent, others may take it away. And the most important form of freedom is freedom of property. If you have your own property and you know it's secure and it can't be trampled on, then you can speak freely, you can assemble people, you can have your own press, you can have your own newspaper, you can have your own religion. It all gets down to property. And what are we seeing now with these data centers? There is a beautiful young lady who just came out and said they're taking our home by eminent domain, they're just going to trample right over it, and there's nothing we can do to stop it. So that to me is the most fundamental of freedoms is the freedom of property, and you see it getting trampled on all of a sudden.

SPEAKER_00 56:59

When I became a homeowner, that became a big awakening moment for me as well. Because if we own our home outright, we do not have a mortgage, we still have to pay property tax. And if we don't pay property tax, the government's going to take our property.

SPEAKER_01 57:19

Well, according to according to some legal experts, there actually are workarounds for the property tax too. I haven't investigated that fully, but I hear that there are ways that you could you could avoid that as well. But for people who are not aware of what I was referring to earlier as banks as thievery, and you want to see explicitly what I'm talking about, there's a book you can read. It's called The Bank Book, and it's written by Edward Merkvica. He was a former president of a bank. The subtitle of the book is How the Average Bank Rips Off the Average Person $100,000 in the course of a lifetime.

SPEAKER_00 57:53

Wow. Okay, I'm interested in reading that book for sure. But I was thinking about just the fact that they can take your property if you don't pay the property tax. And I've heard that if you have a um how do I put that? Basically, if you bury somebody on your property, that becomes a tax-free.

SPEAKER_01 58:25

Fascinating. I have not heard that one.

SPEAKER_00 58:27

You haven't heard okay. I heard if you say like you're you're taking care of your elderly mother and she passes away, you can legally bury her on your property and then claim that as a like a sem have a cemetery on your property. So I don't know if this is why a lot of these old homesteads back in the day had their own little cemeteries on their properties. I have no idea. It goes way back to that, but that's what I've researched.

SPEAKER_01 59:00

But ultimately, I think that if we are to be free, then we're gonna have to find ways of people having their land more easily. And I ultimately, I would like to see no form of taxation whatsoever. Because I mean, especially when we look at what our tax money is going to, which is basically sex trafficking and wars, would we necessarily want to subsidize that? I don't think that that's a healthy way to go. We really do need, as I said, to have the foundation of a society be healthy. So that's one of the reasons why I wrote National Realing Self-empowerment, because if we can just have healthy bodies and healthy minds, the more of us that are like that, we change the terrain and we're less susceptible to listening to sick minds. And there are obviously a lot of sick minds trying to run this world.

SPEAKER_00 59:43

Yeah. And I feel like once you get to that point where you are healthier, you're at a higher frequency, you can maybe recognize the illusion that a lot of people are in.

SPEAKER_01 59:57

Yeah, I would say in relation to um psychic ability, which a number of people, you know, express interest in, but an idea occurred to me after several years, which is that, you know, as a writer, I do write fiction as well as nonfiction. And the creative process of writing, I mean, it really can be magical. One of the most important pieces of writing I've done, there have been several times where I was writing, and it is almost like opening a gateway where like some idea would just pop into my head from out of nowhere. And it's like, oh yeah, that's perfect. And I would write that in. And after a while, I began to realize that engaging the imagination is like so is like low-level psychic ability. You know, it's maybe not full-blown clairvoyance or clear audience or something like that, but engaging your imagination. It actually this kind of ties into EEGs. So, you know, there are machines that can register your brainwaves, electroencephalographs, and they register the frequency of your brainwaves. Now, of course, there's psychic events that occur on certain low-level frequencies. And then when your mind is at its highest vibration rate, your brain, it is a frequency that can be measured actually on this machine. So, one of the things that they found, somewhat in relation to your earlier remark about the geniuses or the people operating on a special frequency, it seems if you are in deep enough harmony with nature, if your body's cleaned out and you have healthy water and you have healthy food, you can actually vibrate your brainwave frequencies up to that highest range. And if you get into that highest range, you're much more likely to be creative and imaginative and thinking of rapid solutions to all the problems that are in front of you. So, yeah, the higher you go, I mean, this is actually written into nature in that there's a book called The Brain the Last Frontier from neurologist Richard Restack. I'd strongly recommend that book for it talks about how brains get wired in the course of a lifetime. So when we're young, we actually have, generally speaking, low brain waves. And nature did that on purpose. The theory was you're really accepting of information when the brain waves are vibrating at a slow rate. So you're going to absorb information very, very rapidly. So your mom's teaching you language and social skills and all the rest of the stuff, and you're taking this stuff in without questioning. And the reason why that can be a good idea is that when you're a young kid, especially like a toddler, you're in a dangerous world. I mean, you could get chilled by making one wrong mistake. So if you can learn rapidly during that time period, that's beneficial. So the bad guys found out about that and they said, hey, what a great age to teach people religion. Let's bombard their brains with as much religion as possible when they're young. They will have these ideas so deeply entrenched in their heads that if they get to a point later in their life where they start to ask questions, it's going to be very hard. Just kind of like cult deprogramming. You mentioned the word cult. People are aware of classic cults. And it reminds me of uh when I was a teenager and I left Catholicism, I had this period where people thought, oh, you know, what's happening to him? Is he on drugs? And the rumor spread, I think he's vulnerable to being recruited by a cult. Look at the way he's acting. And who was saying this? Catholics, you know, who were deep in their own religious cult. And if you were to say, hey, if I start asking questions about why are you drinking the blood of somebody and why are you eating the flesh of somebody, even if it's symbolic, don't you think that's a little cultish? Oh, no, no, this is not a cult. No, no, no. Right. We're the right ones. You know, so you have to just watch out for that wherever you go.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:20

Yeah, the whole blood sacrifice thing, I didn't really think about that until about uh eight or nine months ago. Somebody else bought that up. And I was like, oh my gosh, it was like a light bulb went off. And I'm like, this is very much like the occult. And I had to hear it from somebody outside of that that kind of told me from a logical standpoint you were taught that from a young age.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:50

Yeah, this was actually um a strange part of the story that I touched on lightly before, but I'll just um bring it in for people who have that interest. I mentioned about the fall of Atlantis. Well, there was dark priests who were practicing sacrifice in Atlantis before it fell, and they fled because they knew that Atlantis was going to go down. So when they fled, they went to the nearest jump-off point. So there was uh when Atlantis, the continent, was broken into three pieces, uh Poseida, which was to the east, there was Ogidia, which was to the northeast, and there was Arian, which was uh south of that. They jumped off from those points to the nearest landmass. That was Ireland. So they went across Ireland and eventually ended up in the British Isles, which is where the Druids hanged out, and they uh practiced sacrifice as well for great many centuries, and then they got involved in this rivalry with the Sumer group for control of the world. So the figure of Jesus is actually part of that story because it when I did the research, people who are open to this can read the three books that I read from Tony Bushby, whose revelations about Jesus were probably the most insightful that I read. But there's a lot of points to go over there. So his first book is called The Bible Fraud, which talks about the historical figures that were warped into Jesus Christ. And then there's the secret in the Bible, and then the final book talking more about the creation of the Bible called Crucifixion of Truth, although there's some of that in secret in the Bible as well. But basically, what happens there, according to Bushby's research, and I I've not found anything to contradict him, basically he's saying that in the Herodian line, the bloodline of King Herod, was Mariamni Herod, who was raped by the second of the Roman emperors, Tiberius. And out of that rape came two twins, Yeshua and Judas Thomas, also known as Judas Crestus. And the thing that was unique about Yeshua was he was of partly Jewish descent, but he was also partly of Arian slash Atlantean descent. Now, we can reinforce this by reading a book called The Gods of Eden from William Bramley, where he says that to be a part of the Essene sect of which Yeshua was a part, you had to be an Arian. And in Bushby's research, Everybody in the Essene sect was basically uh associated with the Druids. So we have Druidic Aryans who, in my research, were trying to keep tabs on the greatest structure on the planet, the Great Pyramid. And Yeshua was in a unique position, and he was a rabbi. He did study Judaism. And he, I, as I understand it, was commissioned by the Druids to bring the secrets of the Great Pyramid north so that that power base could be with the Druids in Britain and remove it from the power base that was in the Middle East with the Sumerians and their descendants, the Canaanites and the other people who were centered around Jerusalem. So the story that Bushby tells, I was telling you that one of the most important aspects of the Bible were the letters, uh, the characters in which the Bible was originally written because it had information related to the Great Pyramid. So the story goes that Yeshua stole a copy of the original Torah scroll with those secrets and spirited them away to the north to the Druids. And if you keep following the research, it gets even more interesting because it turns out that Saint Paul is actually Apollonius of Siena. And that's a whole other huge story. But he also was siphoning secrets from the Great Pyramid, namely the Emerald Tablets of Thought, and siphoning those Norse to the Druids who were based in Britain. And if you keep following the story, you get to the Knights Templar and the story of trying to access the Ark of the Covenant and bring that Norse into England. And there's a researcher, Graham Phillips, who suggests that the bloodline of Yeshua was continued after he went to Britain, stayed there, did not die on the cross, but was stoned to death for stealing the Taurus scroll, stoned to death in London. And his bloodline goes through a series of generations, the so-called Merovingians, and that Marcellus of Britain, known more popularly as Saint Mark, one of the Druids of the bloodline of Yeshua, was trying to also carry these secrets of the Great Pyramid of Egypt to the Druids. And this eventually goes down to the Knights Templar, who were famously challenging the papacy and saying, we have a secret that you guys would kill to have. And if you mess with us too much, we'll release this secret. And people have wondered what the secret was, but I think the secret was they knew that Jesus did not die on the cross and that he went north to England and founded this bloodline that went through generations through St. Mark and eventually, believe it or not, hit the actual King Arthur. And the actual King Arthur's line went down further and hit the Knights Templar. So the Knights Templar were a part of another group that was vying for world domination by taking the secrets out of Egypt and teaching their own path to conquering the world. And part of the way that I reinforced this is by focusing on the Protestant Reformation, because if you look closely at the Protestant Reformation, what led into it was a lot of weird stuff in esoterica, which groups called the Waldensians, the Albigensians, and the Cathars. And these were all associated with the early tarot deck of cards, which had a lot of esoterica, which was directly related to the Great Pyramid in Egypt. So they were also trying to siphon these secrets away. So the papacy had been taken over more by the reptilian side, and the Druids didn't like that. They wanted their own cult that was much more powerful. And I believe that that was what impelled the Protestant Reformation into being. And if you look it back to US history, most US presidents were Protestant. And so we see this quest to get the secrets of the greatest structure that ever exists on the planet, the Great Pyramid. And it could because the belief seems to be whoever possessed those secrets had the secret of ultimate power. And for people who don't know, the tarot deck of cards, if you trace the etymology of that word, tarot goes back to Toro, which goes back to Torah. Okay. Wow. So it's it's all connected. And so from the Council of Nicaea, 325 AD, where Constantine is basically giving us the Christianity that we know, what happened? So there were a bunch of sun god cult scams like Holland had been in existence for a long period of time. And he wanted to consolidate everything because everyone was getting too fractionalized. Some people wanted to worship Zeus, some people wanted to worship Julius Caesar. And he said, okay, we have to consolidate everything. So he created Jesus Christ by consolidating the twins, Judas Crestus and Yeshua, into this new being, Jesus Christ, who was one of his ancestors. So the bloodline of Yeshua flowed straight to Constantine. And then it went from Constantine to the actual King Arthur, mentioned by Graham Phillips. So his name is Owen San Gwen, you'd have to see that in one of his videos. But this is this esoterica of secrets being withheld from the public through time as they try to consolidate power. So when the Jesus Christ character was being created, as I mentioned, the story of Yeshua wasn't inherently interesting enough because he just like pretty much studied Judaism. And later in his life, he sold his brother into slavery and he led a druid force in England. You can look this up by researching Jesus of Glastonbury, because there's a huge tradition in relation to that. So where did the Jesus Christ character come from? Who was going to be the hook? They thought of it, you know, who's the most interesting character who may have actually existed that we can wrap this Jesus figure around. So they did another composite, just like I mentioned, Moses was a composite of Ezra and Akhenaten. Jesus was a composite of Yeshua with his twin brother. Like, for example, the twin brother was the one who got angry with the money changers and turned over the tables in that famous story, mixed with a little bit of Apollonius of Tiana, who would also become Saint Paul and in some ways Saint Peter, another long story. But the other exemplar was Krishna of India. Now, they had the stories of Krishna had been around a long time before Jesus. So that's why when Kirsey Graves says there's 346 parallels between the life of Krishna and Jesus, it's because a large part of the story of Krishna was grafted on to Jesus to make the story more interesting and bring in more followers. But the even more interesting thing than that to me, which is the main point I wanted to get expressed, was this book that I mentioned before, the Oralinda book, this from this Atlantean colony that wrote a history of these Atlanteans in the North Sea who were forced to flee their colony in the North Sea when it sank beneath the waves in 2193 AD. They settled in Holland and Denmark and then they started writing down the traditions of their people. Went through this long book that you can access again called the Oralinda Book. At the end of that book, there's a section that talks about apparently the origin of the true Jesus. Now, I understand how crazy that phrase can sound and it can trigger people. But uh if you read the book, you will hear a story about what may very well be a historical, genuine figure that was the inspiration not only for Jesus Christ in the Bible, but the inspiration probably for the Krishna character that was then used to help create the Jesus character. And the story of that character is the most interesting one that I have encountered ever in relation to Jesus, because the words out of this character who is called in the story Jesus, coincidentally, J-E-S-O-S or Christen for Shepherd, is the story of someone who was telling people that it was okay to have passion for women as long as it was under control. So he was basically not preaching celibacy, he was preaching moderation and respect. And the priests apparently didn't like this. And he also was teaching that it was important, that there was nothing wrong with creating a healthy, uh, abundant life for yourself. You just have to scratch the earth, as he said, which meant that you would have to, you know, sometimes fish from the river, or you might have to till some land to grow some food, and that it was okay to make the people around you as prosperous as you can make them. It was not essential that you be poor. And then the the priests, after they killed this guy, started saying, no, no, no. He teached a he taught a message of poverty that it was great to be poor and that to donate to the church. That's what you should really do. And it's okay if you sin with girls, because sometimes that happens. And so they were teach this whole other twisted religion that eventually became Christianity through Constantine and the rest of these sources all being conflated, but it all goes back to the mystery school initiation. So after the Greek pyramid was transformed from the technological device and it was gutted of all its components and made it work at that advanced level, it was turned into a ritual of initiation that would last for three days. So you would start the right, you speak some passwords, and then you'd go through this and you speak some more passwords and speak some hidden truths. And you were working your way from a progression that began by the paw of the Great Sphinx until you eventually ended up in what's called the King's Chamber of the Great Pyramid. And in that was what they call a sarcophagus, but that was probably in the original Great Pyramid, that was a focal point for high-intensity energy that was created. But once all the components were removed, it still had special energetic properties. So at the end of this three-day ritual, you would be in the king's chamber next to a sarcophagus, and the leaders would say, Okay, now this is going to be the crown of your trial of initiation. You would be knocked out, you would be drugged, you'd be placed into the sarcophagus of the king's chamber, you would die and be born again on the third day with new insights brought into a whole new world. Horus was the first of the initiates in the sun god cults. And when Horus was born, there were three wise men who visited him with gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh. And there was a bright star in the heavens known as the star of Sirius, being the home to the aliens that I mentioned before.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:14

Yeah. Didn't you see the reptilian ones?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:17

No, they were from Draco.

unknown 1:16:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:19

Amphibious ones with a blue ones. Yes. Were from Sirius. They were hermaphrodites capable of orthenogenesis or virgin births. So this was Horus was a new hybrid that was created out of their bloodline. So the amphibious ones had blue skin. That's why you, when you go back to the history of ancient Egypt, you will see Osiris portrayed with an absurdly long head, because that's what the amphibians were like, and you see him with blue skin. So it's kind of in your face, but everyone's, ah no, that was just an art trend. They were just cooping around. He didn't really have blue skin, but yeah, actually he did. And then if you look at Akhenaten, he had an unusually elongated head. And people said that he had also male and female attributes, just like the hermaphroditic aliens that were part of his original bloodline. But when with Horus, now that the war had been ended between the forces of Sumer and the forces of Egypt, now that that was over, they wanted to make sure that their pawns were in charge of Egypt. So they created a new species, a new hybrid species. And this is known, if you dig deep enough, as the Horites or the Followers of Horus. This story is available in Tony Bushby's Secret in the Bible, where he mentions the followers of Horus who were found, they were giants, much larger than the local population. They all had elongated heads. And these, the first of these was the mythological figure of Horus, visited by three wise men, bright stars shining in the sky, went, died, and was reborn on the third day. And the story of baptism supposedly goes to Osiris, although which of the Osirises it was, I don't know. The original Osiris dates back to 15,500 BC. I've uncovered a new fake Zeus, I've uncovered several new fake Osirises. So which Osiris is part of the story, I don't know. But bloodline from Anna Osiris was taken out, his seed was removed and placed into a womb that was seeded by Seth. So in Egyptian mythology, you may have heard of Seth. In the Bible, you may have heard of the third son of Adam named Seth, same person. And in Egyptian mythology, there's a great creator god, his name is Atom. In the Bible, the first man, the first Nephilim, Adam. Adam, a tomb, same person. So these traditions entered into ancient Egypt and they created a sun god cult scam related around worship of the sun, where a savior is created who dies and comes back to life to redeem the sins of mankind on the third day. And this is all an evocation of the mystery school initiation rite, where you would go through this process for three days, you would have an out-of-body experience, you would have a revelation of the gods, theophany that I mentioned before, and you would come back as a person who was a more enlightened spiritual being because you now knew from firsthand experience the soul is real, there is life after death. So Yeshua got caught up in that because he was part Jewish, he was partly of the Herodian bloodline, but he was also part of the Druidic bloodline, thanks to his father Tiberius. So these secrets were being taken to the north. But the original tradition of the man who inspired Jesus, this Jesus or Christian, that's mentioned in the Oralinda book, was a had a completely different outlook, which is much more natural, much more working in harmony with nature, much more, it's okay to have a life of abundance and share that with people. It's okay to have sexual passion as long as you keep it in check and don't run away with it and abuse it. So the church warped all of that teaching and all of it's been lost. And humanity, in some ways, has been lost ever since. Akhenaten, the figure who I mentioned, is partly involved in the creation of the Moses character, he interacted with a tribe of people in the Middle East called the Mitanni. The Mitanni left the region in the Middle East and went to India. The people in India, the Mitanni, were responsible for the creation of the Sanskrit language and the Vedas and the Hindu religion, which was teaching sacrifice. So this is how all of this is connected. Now, some people say it came through the trade route along the Silk Road through Asurist merchants that were trading. But I see it going through Akana and the Mitanni, where they were teaching these same principles of sacrifice to the people of India, where Krishna would show up as another form of the sun god cults. And if you go to ancient Greece, it's just a connection that very few people, I think, would have made. When you go back to the corruption of ancient Greece, which is it centers around a city called Thebes. So there's a Thebes in ancient Greece, there's a Thebes in Egypt. They both probably take their name from the same place. Now, what was going on in Egyptian or in Greek Thebes? There was a practice of divination that was called augury, foretelling the future through bird watching. You know, if the bird danced this way, then the future was going to go this way. If the bird went danced this way, then this is gonna happen. Where did they learn augury? From Akhenaten, who was teaching them this stuff from Egypt. There's something called the Amarna letters that show correspondence of the ancient Greeks who became corrupted after interacting with Akhenaten from that time period in the mystery schools. There was the Eleusinian mystery school in ancient Greece. All goes back to ancient Egypt. When you go back to your classic figures, Plato, Aristotle, famous historian Herodotus, where were they initiated? Where did they get their information from? Thales, the first philosopher, where did he get his information from? Mystery school initiation in Egypt. Plato, who tells the story of Atlantis, where did he get his information from? Mystery school in Atlantis. Where did the Mitanni and the people who wrote the Vedas and all that formed the Hindu religion get their information from? Giza. All metaphysical roads lead back to Giza. They spread out, they created their bloodlines, they've infiltrated all the countries of the world, all the religions of the world, put central banks in almost all the world. And that's how we got into the situation where we are today. So I wanted to add that in about uh Jesus because a lot of people are not aware of that druidic connection.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:19

So you think there's 13 bloodlines that kind of rule the world at this point?

SPEAKER_01 1:22:25

Yeah, I mean, it certainly the evidence that was presented in Fritz Springmeyer's book that goes into all of that certainly shows very strong ties in relation to that. I think one of the there's there has been an equal sentiment saying that actually it's been kind of openly discussed that the royalty of England can trace its blood back to Dracula, which was Vlad the Impaler. Um and he would be involved in the blood drinking and the ritual. So yeah, they put their proxies in as puppets in charge of all the nations of the world. And um in my research into animals, um, I talk about reptiles and their ability to see an infrared and stuff like that. So I think part of the idea that we should consider is we may not be able to perceive them as they are, but I think they can understand who's in their bloodlines when they're meeting them. They probably have special ways of knowing uh, you know, who's of their bloodline. As a matter of fact, I mean, you hear all the stories and it just reinforces this over and over again. Like, for example, in Israel, they won't allow any genetic testing to take place. Well, why not? I mean, what are you trying to hide? Why is it that everyone else's genes in the world are allowed to be seen by that one nation, but no one can see what their genes are like? And some people have even said that some of the stuff that's been released to the general public was tailored to take out certain genes and not take out other genes. So why would that be? Um so yeah, there there definitely seem to be ties of this that that stretch well across time.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:53

Yeah, it's fascinating to me. I could sit and listen to you talk about this for hours, even more than we've already gone. I would love to have you back because I we didn't even get through half of the things that I wanted to talk about. If you'd ever want to come back, I'd love to have you back.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:11

Oh, you're saying this now. We don't know how badly this sucker is gonna get banned. And I know that when my videos get posted on YouTube, I watch my page views literally go backwards. I don't like I'll I'll click on them in almost anything that I've participated in. Somehow the views go backwards. But it'll be interesting to see if there are any comments to this. And if it doesn't uh blow up too terribly in your face and you still feel like having me back, I will be delighted to come back. You've been extremely enjoyable to talk. Bold and brave one.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:42

So many things that I have questions about. I appreciate you coming on today and having this conversation with me and with the listeners. It's been absolutely fascinating. And I hope that people will want more. I'm sure they'll have lots of questions and comments. I look forward to seeing those. Any final thoughts that you would like to leave with the listeners before we wrap up this episode?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:08

Well, the first thing I will say is uh thank you for the opportunity to come on and share exotic views. I'm sure when you were having some of your initial questions about religion, you probably thought you'd never have a conversation like this take place at some point in your life. But um, in any event, you know, I do think that all of this is a spiritual growth process. And the second sentiment of Victor Schauberg is usually one that I like to close on when I'm doing a new podcast for the first time. So not only did he suggest the path of comprehend and imitate nature, but his other main piece of advice, no matter what situation you find yourself in, and I know we're all in a lot of tough times right now, but this was his other piece of advice. Think and octave higher.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:53

I love that because I was raised with music all around me. My mom was a pianist, I was a pianist, my daughter's a pianist. So octaves do mean something, and that's really cool. Thank you so much. I appreciate you coming on today.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:08

Oh, thank you. I was it's been a joy, and yes, I'll be delighted to come back and uh looking forward to it.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:13

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