The Sunset Connection - Perspectives from SF's Sunset Neighborhood

Let’s Talk About Affordability in San Francisco — with Dyanna & Dane Volek

• Jessica J. Ho

Share episode

Send us a text

What does it really take to afford a life in San Francisco—and what happens when plans change?

In this episode, I sit down with Dyanna and Dane Volek to talk about their journey through homeownership, affordable housing programs, and navigating major life transitions.

Dyanna, a public servant and Sunset native, shares how the City’s housing programs helped her build a future in the place she grew up. Dane reflects on the closure of Anchor Brewing—where he rose from keg washer to brewmaster—and how he’s rebuilding through art, financial planning, and community connection.

We reflect on the systems that hold up and the ones that fall short, the emotional weight of transformation, and the quiet strength it takes to stay rooted in hope—even when everything goes off course, but somehow ends up exactly where it should.

Plus:
– The second edition of the Realty Rundown: a 20-year lookback at the Sunset housing market
– Anchor Brewing’s last brewmaster on the brewery’s closure
– Big ideas on how public-private partnerships could support SF’s working class
– And some good old trivia to bring it all home 🎉

Have questions for Dyanna or Dane?
Reach Dane at dane@stackedlife.com and Dyanna on Instagram: @dyannaluna

👉 Learn more about San Francisco's BMR (Below Market Rate) ownership programs here:
 https://www.sf.gov/reports--august-2024--below-market-rate-bmr-ownership-programs

💬 Like the podcast? Share it with a friend!
 📣 Follow us on Facebook: facebook.com/thesunsetconnection
📩 Email me: jessica.jasmine.ho@gmail.com

🎧 See you in two weeks on The Sunset Connection!

Stay Connected

📌 Listen on Buzzsprout
📷 Follow on Instagram
📘 Like us on Facebook
▶️ Watch on YouTube
✉️ Email: jessica.jasmine.ho@gmail.com

Subscribe, share, and leave a review — it helps more neighbors find the show!

The Sunset Connection — exploring the stories and histories that connect us.

Jessica Ho:

All right. Hello everyone, thank you so much for coming back to the Sunset Connection. I'm your host, jessica Ho, and I just want to say thank you for all the support, feedback and love you've shown this podcast. So today we're sitting down with two amazing guests Deanna Volek and her husband, dane Volek. Deanna is a proud Sunset native and a longtime public servant With over a decade of experience in legislative affairs, including her current role at SFO, which is the airport that serves San Francisco. She's also served as a deputy mayor's, commissioner and a Planned Parenthood board member. Dane brings a dynamic range of experience as well A 15-plus year career at the historic Anchor Brewing Company, culminating as brewmaster, to his current work assisting families to develop and protect their wealth, as well as creative pursuits in art and a budding grassroots entrepreneurship community. I'm very excited to have both of you on our show today. Thank you for having us.

Dane Volek:

Yeah, we're excited too.

Jessica Ho:

The two spent years living in the sunset before relocating to the Bayview, which is where their journey across neighborhoods mirrors some of the biggest conversations happening right now in San Francisco today, especially around housing affordability and what it means to build a life here in a city that's constantly changing and highly unaffordable. Hey everyone, welcome back to this week's Realty Rundown, your no-fluff, numbers-backed check-in on what's really going on in San Francisco real estate. Today we're spotlighting our home base, district 2, which is known as the Sunset District according to the Realtor's Map. Thanks to InfoSparks, an online database, I got my hands on some amazing historical data going all the way back to 2005. Since 2005, the sunset has mirrored broader San Francisco patterns, rising before the crash, bottoming out around spring 2012, and then suddenly climbing back up to a peak in spring of 2022. The last two years have leveled out, but inventory is slightly improving in 2025 compared to the last two years, both citywide and here in the sunset.

Jessica Ho:

So how does the sunset stack up against the rest of the city? Let's start with price. The sunset is middle of the pack for SF, less expensive than the usual suspects like Noe Valley, st Francis Wood and anything north of California Street, but it consistently beats areas that are near Stonestown and City College, as well as neighborhoods further south and east like Excelsior and Bayview. When you look at how homes behave on the market, how they're priced, how quickly they sell and how buyers show up, the sunset absolutely shines. Homes here don't linger. They launch. The median days on market is just 13 days. That's faster than almost every other district. And here's the kicker Homes in the Sunset are selling for about 130 percent of the original listing price. That's not just higher than the average, it's higher than any other district. People are bidding hard to get into the Sunset. This shift seems to have really solidified around 2016, when we started to see a more aggressive pricing strategy List low, sell high, move fast. That's now become the standard playbook here and the numbers back it up.

Jessica Ho:

As someone who was a buyer back in 2019 and 2020, I felt this firsthand. I once bid on a house listed at $1.2 million, only to watch it sell at cash for $1.6 million. That was my wake up call. So what does that mean If you're a buyer? This isn't a wait and see. Market Homes are moving fast and sell over asking. Understand that the listing price, especially in the sunset, is often just a starting price. If you're a seller, don't sleep on this moment. You're in one of the most competitive, high-performing neighborhoods in the city and the data proves it. That's your Realty Rundown, as always. Please reach out if you have any additional questions and I will be happy to connect you to the appropriate resource or expert. Thanks, connect you to the appropriate resource or expert. Thanks, deanna. So you grew up in the sunset. How has that shaped your values and career in public service?

Dyanna Volek:

So, yes, I was lucky to grow up in the sunset. I went to school in the sunset. My mom and family immigrated from the Philippines at a really young age. They first moved into Hayes Valley and then moved into the outer sunset because it was at the time working class, affordable, it was safe. So growing up in the Sunset it was similar values of community.

Dyanna Volek:

At one point there was seven of us in my grandmother's home living in a single family house. There was kids everywhere and it was just a sense of kind of being on the West side and being in this bubble. A lot of people would make fun of us that we were all the way on the West. It was too foggy, it was too far away. But I really love this idea of having a small community in the larger urban city and so being able to serve in public service and representing that district was a really great opportunity for me. So being able to serve in public service and representing that district was a really great opportunity for me to be able to say, hey, I rode the 18 bus line. I know how difficult it is or, if it's not on time, how impactful that can be, and so being in public service, and serving the community really brought me back to my childhood, that's beautiful.

Jessica Ho:

Thank you for sharing, yeah, dane, what brought you to San Francisco and what made the sunset feel like home.

Dane Volek:

Well, I came for SFSU in 2004. That was kind of what brought me here. But before that I came on a field trip. I was in photography in high school and I had a pretty amazing teacher and she brought a group of us up to the city. We stayed at the Chancellor Hotel. I just had a feeling, as soon as we came above ground on Market Street, getting off a bar, that this was going to be home, but always felt a drive. I was a Nash Bridges fan for a brief moment too. I don't know if that's relevant other than the San Francisco connection.

Dane Volek:

Coming out to the west side was, I think, really kind of a big part of some of my experiences in college and having some of my more adventurous friends that decided to move off of the dorms right away. A lot of times found themselves in the sunset. I remember going to parties there and enjoying the space and I love the park. I mean I spent a lot of time right along Lincoln I was at 30th and Lincoln in Indiana and I were at Lincoln and La Playa and running in the park, frisbee golf in the park, all the music festivals. That was always a big drive for me too to love the sunset.

Jessica Ho:

So how did you guys meet Well?

Dyanna Volek:

I always like to tell people we met the old fashioned way, which was at a bar in the city. So we met at the makeout room in the Mission District really old school popular bar. And Anchor Brewing Company company, which is where dane was working at the time, was having a back to the future party and so we were there for a party and we met through a mutual friend, a neighbor of mine who worked with dane, and allegedly, thomas gilbert allegedly thomas gilbert told dane to approach me and my friend, whereas I believe that we approached him.

Dyanna Volek:

But but that's when it happened.

Jessica Ho:

Yeah, so Dane Anchor Brewing's closure left a big impact. What did that moment mean for you and what came after?

Dane Volek:

Oh, it was a challenging moment for sure. I think when the Smithsonian was there kind of doing their piece, some of the final days was really starting to sink in. I mean, I think that a lot of us would have agreed that we knew it was coming at some point, we just didn't know when. So I did feel like I had some preparation much of what I am today as a result of who I was there and it was definitely a big transformational moment.

Dyanna Volek:

You started as a keg washer and worked your way to brewmaster.

Jessica Ho:

Can you remind us when Anchor Brewing closed?

Dane Volek:

It was just a couple of years ago, now in 2023.

Jessica Ho:

Feels like forever ago, yeah, yeah.

Dane Volek:

August 1st was the official.

Jessica Ho:

So sad and any news on whether it'll come back or how it'll come back?

Dane Volek:

It's well on its way. I don't have a whole lot of insider scoop, but I understand that I think they are getting fairly close to getting permits, so hopefully I think that the possibility of a cold steam beer is in the very near future, hopefully 2025, for sure.

Jessica Ho:

And what inspired your transition into helping families reach and guarantee their maximum financial potential?

Dane Volek:

Well, that's been a journey of mine for most of my life. I mean, my my godfather was kind of an options trader for periods of his life and did very well, and I remember growing up and listening to him, sometimes when I'd be with him on the phone making trades in the morning. I was always very interested in economics and markets and all of that. So I was actually entering into college assuming that I was going to be some type of an assets under management role, financial planner of some kind. Then the suds got in the way, started homebrewing, started working at Anchor. That kind of changed the direction. But I was still doing a lot of that stuff for myself and my personal life and probably talking about it too much to other people. So with Anchor winding down, I decided to shift back to sort of that original path that I felt like I was on. But I've grown and learned a lot since then and I think my approach is far superior to what it would have been.

Jessica Ho:

That's great. Can you tell me a little bit more about what that looks like Like? How does financial planning look like for someone?

Dane Volek:

How long do you have?

Dyanna Volek:

Not that long.

Dane Volek:

I mean in my world we like to talk about maximum financial potential is what we're going for. I think one of the large failures of financial planning as it stands for most people is everything's focused on accumulation when there's accumulation. And then there's what everybody's looking forward to when they're on the race to 65, which is the actual distribution of those funds later in life. So I use some models and some different packages of ideas, philosophies, that focus on both of those. We're not just climbing to the top of the mountain and then yay, we're done, we got to get home alive, we got to get down alive, and that's where most of the accidents actually happen.

Dane Volek:

We got to get down alive, and that's where most of the accidents actually happen. So I take much more of a holistic approach to how we build assets and how we structure the cash flow in people's lives.

Dyanna Volek:

Wonderful.

Jessica Ho:

I think this is really interesting to talk about, especially since we're pivoting into affordable housing. I don't know about you, but I feel like a lot of my friends around my age have a really hard time even conceiving of buying a home, not only in the San Francisco Bay Area, but in the Sunset District.

Dyanna Volek:

Yeah.

Jessica Ho:

And so I think that financial planning does play a huge role into purchase a home. You've both gone through the homeownership process in SF. How was that journey like, Well?

Dyanna Volek:

I have to say San Francisco has an amazing affordable housing program. I've talked to people in other cities and counties and what we have here is really amazing. But the problem is getting the information out and, like you were saying, getting people ready for that process. So, for my own background, my mom was a single parent. She had two children, was working really hard. My mom was a single parent. She had two children. You know was working really hard and I was about, I think, 13. And we were getting owner move-in evicted from our place in the sunset. And all credit to my mom. She was working a full-time job and working on the side as a massage therapist and she was able to tap into the city's down payment assistance loan program. I just talked about that with my last episode.

Dyanna Volek:

Yes, with.

Jessica Ho:

Marguerite, that's awesome that your mom actually was able to tap into that program.

Dyanna Volek:

As a single mother, you know working. She didn't have a college degree, she was an admin and she was doing side work as a massage therapist. She was able to, with the city's help, cobble together funds, buy a home in the Lakeview area and we moved in 2000. And so that really helped her become a homeowner and then fast forward. 18 years later I actually went through the below market rate process to purchase a condo back in the outer sunset where I grew up. My grandmother was still there, and so I really do credit the city's affordable housing programs for really allowing me to be a first time home buyer, because I had law school debt, I was working for the city, I was a single person and I was able to purchase a condo in the sunset and it was a dream and I had no idea I was going to be able to do that.

Jessica Ho:

So that's incredible. Deanna, can you tell me a little bit about your process and how you started from thinking about, hey, I want to purchase a home or be and a loan broker, and how you save up funds and?

Dyanna Volek:

then you qualify for a down payment and all the things that go into being a homeowner. I had to save up my money, which I think is what hurts a lot of people. You might not have a W-2 job, you might be a business owner and you have to show that you have revenue coming in and that you have a steady income. And then putting all that documentation together with the city's process it's a lottery, and so I was just submitting bids. I had this really amazing realtor named Jodi Hansen who helped me through that process. She used to work at Park North Park.

Jessica Ho:

North Real Estate.

Dyanna Volek:

That's where I work Exactly, and people, I think, don't know that your realtor is paid through the purchasing process. So she was there helping me out and was part of that whole process and then she got paid out when I purchased it. A great realtor is just I call her my fairy godmother, and so a good realtor is really important. And so we put in lottery bids. I think I put in three to five, and I remember when I submitted the one for the sunset, I asked my family to like manifest that my number would be picked, and the day I found out that the lottery process, my great aunt had died and back then they would pick tickets out of a gold box. What year was this? This was 2018.

Jessica Ho:

Oh, it's 2017. Oh, so that's not long ago. No, what year was this? This was 2018. Oh, it's 2017. Oh, it's not that long ago. It was a very like, are they still?

Dyanna Volek:

doing that? I don't. I hope not. I was scared I was gonna say I hope that box is still around I know, and it was a room of people and I was late and they said they had picked my name and so I went home to tell my grandmother in the sunset and she's like I had prayed to my sister to say if, if you're still with us, please help Tiana get this house. And then they picked my name and it was amazing, so Wow.

Dyanna Volek:

What a story it was a very surreal moment and so I lived in the sunset in that condo for four years. But you know there's kind of a conversation about senior housing and affordable housing in the sunset and people being a little bit fearful of having more affordable housing in tall buildings. But I can say for myself I was in a 100% affordable condo building that used to be an apartment and the city purchased it and it was 24 units of affordable housing and how life changing that was for me and for my neighbors affordable housing and how life-changing that was for me and for my neighbors.

Jessica Ho:

I'm so thankful that you're here to tell that story because I think a lot of people don't realize that affordable housing exists among us today and they're helping so many families and they're just our neighbors Right.

Dyanna Volek:

I can tell you, on my floor next door was, you know, a single father with his son. Upstairs was another city worker. Downstairs it was an elderly lady that we became really good friends with. So it was a diversity of people, and that's just what affordable housing allows is for this diversity of people to come together.

Jessica Ho:

And let's be real. For a second right, you have a full time. We had a full time job. Yes, it's not to say that you like low income. In San Francisco Bay Area terms is still, at least like I think, $100,000 at that time, or more or more, considered low income it's. It's so difficult for for most people to live in the district without support. Like I am very fortunate that my parents helped me with buying a house, otherwise I would not be able to purchase this home, so I have to acknowledge that privilege. I recognize that not everyone has that and you are able to do it on your own. It's just so inspiring and I really want other people to have that experience as well and feel empowered that they are able to purchase a home.

Dyanna Volek:

Yes, and I try to tell people you know, business owners and friends who grew up in the city about this program. I actually had a friend who's a teacher and her and her husband were able to move into the downtown area into a 100% affordable housing and she's a teacher who is teaching our children and she was able to stay in the city because of this. So I try to tell as many people as possible. It's just daunting because the amount of money you have to put down and being a homeowner, but the city really is there to help you through that process.

Jessica Ho:

Thank you so much for sharing that story, and so tell me a little bit about the Bayview and how that's been a different experience.

Dyanna Volek:

You know what the funny thing is Like. I had grown up my whole life on the west side like grew up, came back to the sunset and then only in 2022, moved to the southeast sector and I see a lot of parallels between the sunset I grew up in and the Bayview. The Bayview is working class. It has great weather. Actually, I think the difference between the sunset and the Bayview is it's really sunny outside in the Bayview, but the community is really strong. We know our neighbors really well now in the Bayview and growing up in the sunset, we also knew our neighbors on both sides. We all look out for each other. The other thing that's really funny is the sunset, as everybody knows, is alphabetical. In the Bayview it's alphabetical not only north, south, but east, west, so it was a little bit easier to get around.

Jessica Ho:

What have the different neighborhoods taught you about the city and yourselves?

Dyanna Volek:

Oh, that's a great question. I love the city because the neighborhoods are so distinct and they have their own personalities and flavors. I mean, growing up in the sunset, I guess I didn't realize how suburban it felt, like the sunset was the city to me. But I think when people come out to the outer sunset they're like oh, this feels like the suburbs in San Francisco, like the suburbs in San Francisco. And so growing up there, being sandwiched between the Golden Gate Park and the zoo and the beach, was, I always thought it was such a unique place to live and I was always wondering, like if a tiger would ever escape or anything.

Dyanna Volek:

Yeah, that'd be fun. So it really made me appreciate the outdoors and fresh air and walkability. And then now going to be in the Bayview, it's taught me about working in an area that was neglected and overlooked and suffered from environmental issues that we're still working to clean up and I'm really getting involved in the community out there. It's a tale of two cities. In comparing different neighborhoods of San Francisco, like, you went through your realty breakdown and there are certain neighborhoods that are more privileged than others. It's one small city, a seven by seven, and there can be so much changes between the two.

Jessica Ho:

Absolutely, and at the SFO. Tell me more about what you do there and what kind of the big major issues are facing our airports today?

Dyanna Volek:

Yeah, I mean. So a lot of people don't realize our San Francisco airport is a city department of San Francisco and so our address is San Francisco, even though we're in the middle of unincorporated Millbrae. And so I came to SFO because they were looking for a government affairs manager and I had that legislative experience because I worked for the supervisor of the sunset. I worked in the mayor's office and so I could provide that liaison role between the city and SFO, as well as on state and federal levels. I love working at the airport. It's such an interesting environment. My dad was actually an Air Force veteran and I remember thinking I wanted to be a pilot, but I suffer from terrible motion sickness. Oh no.

Dyanna Volek:

So, it never happened, but now I can still work in aviation, and right now, you know, sfo is getting a lot of credit for being such a great, environmentally beautiful airport. And right now, you know, sfo is getting a lot of credit for being such a great, environmentally beautiful airport and we really are striving to make the best passenger experience. Some challenges we're dealing with, obviously, in this current environment, it's uncertain in terms of funding. We are recovering from COVID and we're actually getting close to pre-pandemic levels, but really want to continue on that trajectory in terms of serving passengers from all over the world.

Dyanna Volek:

It's a small city unto itself which a lot of people don't realize like. We hire a lot of workers from around the Bay Area. We're a huge economic driver for the region and we have everything from a wastewater treatment plant to a wag brigade, a cadre of mostly dogs, but we also have a giant rabbit we used to have a pig that goes through the airport as volunteers and they calm passengers down by providing a cuddly session before they fly out, and so we're really proud of our WAG brigade. We get a lot of accolades for it.

Jessica Ho:

We find ourselves in a time when the economy is very uncertain and for working age people like us, it's a different economic reality. Now I think a few of us, including myself and Dane, have chosen more of a entrepreneurship pathway, and affordability does play a really big role in that. And what can the city do better in kind of keeping people who are artistic and want to start their own business or just starting out or restarting their careers in San Francisco?

Dyanna Volek:

Well, I can say you know, the Sunset used to be a place for artists and entrepreneurs. I know a lot of people. The in-laws were like a really affordable way to live in the city and pursue your art. Or you would live in a single family home but you would turn the dining room into an extra room and so you would have like seven people living in a house, and I'm seeing that mimicked in the Bayview. There's a lot of artist studios out there because rent's a little bit cheaper. There's the shipyard artist studios, there's the box.

Dane Volek:

I mean, creativity is all about all around in San Francisco. I think it always has been, I think it always will be when those kinds of things happen, and I think that's natural for artists to kind of end up glomming together because they have those bonds, they're in the trenches fighting the same battles, and financial and otherwise, and I think that also offers the opportunity for the city to have this place where they know if we can invest some dollars or some communication or things in these pockets that we know of that can be tremendously helpful. I mean, I think the startup world and the mixers and all kinds of things like that are interesting for entrepreneurs.

Jessica Ho:

We have to think about pitching these companies, pitching the city in a way that's return on investment, right? So like? Is there a way to back it up with numbers and data and maybe actually make it so that it's a financial investment?

Dane Volek:

The below market rate program is actually kind of a great example to use here, because of course you know it's easy to look at it from the standpoint of the individual moving into the house. But you also have to remember that the city has some of that equity as well. That equity is working for the homeowner, but it's also working for the city, so that when they exit and it goes on to the next person that they can help that person. But they've also had that appreciation as well. I mean it's, and so I like that model where the city and the individual whether it's in this case maybe a business is being assisted, where their incentives are aligned and their rewards are aligned. So I would love to see further programs for small businesses, especially where they may have a similar structure, where the city can share some of the equity in that business in exchange for the risk that they're taking offering funds.

Dyanna Volek:

So the ROI is just a win-win for everybody and the city has always been a home for misfits and creatives and unique people and individuals who might think a little differently, and that has really been our backbone and what has given us strength through all this. And in my case I was able to do the below market rate program and then we ended up buying our market rate home because of the savings we were able to get and then that passed on to the next person and I know the city recognizes it. It's just always pushing the envelope of thinking of more and more creative ways to keep people here.

Jessica Ho:

Thank you so much and I love that you're almost like a poster child for the BMR program and that you guys started out. You know your mom was a recipient of the Dow program and then you were selected for the BMR program and now you were able to buy your own home at market rate and are growing your own wealth by yourselves, which is so incredible.

Dyanna Volek:

Yeah, it was really just a perfect way of getting into the market and being able to pass it on to the next person, and so I yeah, I think too that you know, when we look at, when you hear something like ROI, you certainly go to a certain area right away.

Dane Volek:

And what I like to talk to with a lot of the members of my practice is that you know every single investment it's going to have an internal rate of return, it may have an external rate of return and it may even have an eternal rate of return. And a lot of times we focus too much on this internal rate of return and trying to maximize this internal rate of return, and while that's the easiest to measure, it's always good to remember that external rate of return and the eternal rate of return. So here I'm thinking community a lot in this sense. So I think thinking about longer-term objectives, having a little bit of a broader view, scope on how you measure success, something that things like the city can certainly do easier than individuals.

Dyanna Volek:

I really like that, because that's the purpose of government too is you hope your elected officials and your public servants are going to think about the long term, because it's really hard to do that A lot of times. Businesses have to think about the short term and it's really about making sure this is available for everybody down the line, for generations to come.

Jessica Ho:

What are some things that make you excited about the future of San Francisco and the Sunset District?

Dane Volek:

I mean, my new life in this entrepreneurial realm has certainly changed the cadence of my days and I've been very excited about that. It's allowed me time to expand into other projects. I've finally started revealing some of my art that I've worked on for years out in the wild, so I'm excited for more of that. There's going to be a show coming up soon with a couple of other friends of mine also brewing industry, also artists. I'm always excited to come back to the sunset to go to Terracotta Warrior, one of my favorite restaurants in the city, so hopefully that's on the agenda too for something to look forward to.

Dyanna Volek:

Yeah, I mean, I am such a huge cheerleader for San Francisco. I love being a part of the city and saying I'm from this city and so I'm always in its corner, during its lowest times or its highest times. I think we are really a beacon for the world in terms of tolerance and diversity and equity and doing unique and innovative things from the tax sector to the nonprofit world. So I'm excited to see what we continue to do and continue to represent for the rest of the world and for the Sunset in particular. I echo Dane. There's just so many amazing businesses that are opening up and we love coming back. Tezaki is another one. It's like our favorite sushi restaurant in the city and so there's changes coming down the pipeline, but my grandmother still lives in the outer Sunset. We love coming back all the time and overall, san Francisco will always continue to shine, no matter what, and just seeing how it's going to shine.

Dane Volek:

Obviously, as a young stud myself, I love seeing other young studs and studettes happy with where they are and making the world what they want it to be in their environment.

Jessica Ho:

I love that, thank you so much. Environment I love that, thank you so much. So now we're going to transition into a game of trivia with multiple choice questions.

Dane Volek:

Okay For your request. I'm clean as it's multiple choice.

Jessica Ho:

Yes, I'm really good at multiple choice, great. So, speaking of affordability, which Bay Area city just ranked as the number one least affordable metro in the US based on income-to-home price ratios? A Oakland, b San Francisco, c San Jose, d Santa Rosa, oh, that's an interesting spread.

Dyanna Volek:

It is, I would say, san Jose.

Dane Volek:

I was going to go C San Jose as well.

Jessica Ho:

All right, yes, you're right. So yeah, the tech money low inventory, brutal prices. San Jose is pricier than San Francisco, ironically, which is crazy to think about. The Trump administration's proposed red list includes 11 countries whose citizens would be entirely banned from entering the US due to inadequate vetting. Deanna, since you are working at the airport, you might know which of the following countries is not on the red list oh no, a Syria, b, cuba, c Nigeria or D Yemen.

Dyanna Volek:

I think it's C.

Jessica Ho:

You're right, nigeria is not on the red list. I think it's like on the yellow list or something.

Dane Volek:

Always guess C.

Jessica Ho:

I know One of the things that I've been doing with my friends is doing trivia about what's happening in the world as a way to talk about it and almost like trying to make sense of the world today, because there's just so much information coming at us at once, it's almost like it's hard to kind of remove fact from fiction. So I think having a space that we can talk about this stuff among friends and just kind of be able to understand it together, so we understand the facts versus what we think and what we fear, is really something that I want to start creating. So that's just another thing that I wanted to put out there in case anyone else is interested in doing something similar with their friends Great.

Dane Volek:

Yeah, I like that approach. Community announcements Don't forget to file your taxes.

Jessica Ho:

Thank you, dane, that is actually very important.

Dane Volek:

Or at least extend to October.

Jessica Ho:

That's right, that's very important.

Dyanna Volek:

April 15th is our deadline to file federal taxes, unless you extend and a shout out to our amazing tax lady, Alicia Dehir, because you really need a good tax professional on your side. You need a great realtor and you need a good tax professional and a good attorney.

Jessica Ho:

All right. Deanna and Dane, thank you both so much for sharing your stories and insights with us. It's refreshing to hear from people who are living the values of community care, creativity and civic action in such real and grounded ways To our listeners. Thanks for spending your time with us today. Keep building, keep connecting and keep imagining a better SF Until next time. This has been the Sense of Connection. That's all folks.

People on this episode

Head Shot

Jessica J. Ho

Host