Penis Jewelry - WWF No Way Out 2000

Grapple City Rewind heads to No Way Out 2000 as Bradley Palermo and Aaron Fink break down Kurt Angle vs Chris Jericho, Dudleys vs New Age Outlaws, the infamous Mae Young pregnancy storyline with Mark Henry, Kane vs X-Pac chaos, Too Cool vs The Radicalz, Big Show vs The Rock controversy, and the brutal Hell in a Cell main event between Triple H and Cactus Jack. Was this Attitude Era PPV a hidden gem or just main-event dependent? We give it our Fast Forward, Play, or Rewind rating and debate whether the Foley vs Triple H war saves the show.

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Transcript

00:00.13
Aaron
Hey everyone, this is Aaron Fink from Grapple City Rewind. If you like what you hear on this episode, make sure to subscribe with whatever platform you use so you never miss an episode. Also, be sure to check out our back catalog of 25 plus episodes. We talk old pay-per-views and they're always good to go back to.

00:19.41
Bradley Palermo
And welcome!

00:40.45
Aaron
Oh boy.

00:44.12
Aaron
ah

00:44.04
Bradley Palermo
We're going to talk about a 77-year-old pregnant lady

00:47.92
Aaron
Yep.

00:47.54
Bradley Palermo
some of the physically tallest, heaviest dudes in WWF e-history, and maybe even a flaming two-by-four wrapped in barbed wire will make an appearance.

00:59.55
Bradley Palermo
I'm Bradley Palermo here, as always, with Aaron Fink. And Aaron, we've got something to look forward to this week because you and I are heading out to Ontario, California, to witness a live broadcast of AEW's Dynamite this coming Wednesday, are we not?

01:17.58
Aaron
Yeah, buddy. It's going to be fun.

01:18.80
Bradley Palermo
Let's pull it up and see. I think they announced some of the matches that we'll see on Wednesday.

01:25.48
Aaron
Okay, cool. Yeah, tell me what they are.

01:27.95
Bradley Palermo
How we find it?

01:30.28
Aaron
I don't know. You tell me. I got it.

01:32.91
Aaron
What do we got? What do we got?

01:32.80
Bradley Palermo
Um...

01:34.10
Aaron
Okay. All right. We've got ah Chris Statlander versus Tekla for the AEW Women's World Championship in a strap match.

01:44.30
Bradley Palermo
That'll be cool. Gris got to announce the stipulation upon Collision this last Saturday, and she went for the strap match. I haven't seen a women's strap match before i think there was one in the wwf or wwe like some years ago like many many years ago but it's not a very common thing and i don't think i've seen a strap match in person they're always kind of fun i mean i don't know if i guess this is the one where you're gonna have to hit all four corners to win

02:24.85
Aaron
What else?

02:24.79
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, but usually you get some people kind of, they hang each other by the strap outside the ring. They, you know, it it can, be they whip each other, the shit out of each other.

02:30.66
Aaron
Whip each other. Yeah.

02:32.79
Bradley Palermo
And I love um so stat daddy, as she calls herself nowadays. I don't really care much for Tekla, like not in a, oh, she's a heel, she's bad way, but it's just kind of like a contortionist gimmick that I'm kind of neither here nor there about it.

02:47.67
Aaron
Oh, Tekla's good, dude.

02:47.21
Bradley Palermo
So I'm not like,

02:57.98
Aaron
I don't know. I like her.

03:28.82
Aaron
Yeah.

03:28.74
Bradley Palermo
the Ontario is essentially where the Young Bucks are from. So we'll get some hometown heroes. um That'll run. I mean, you know how feel about putting that many people in the ring. It's it's it's whatever, but it's always fun to be there.

03:42.93
Bradley Palermo
I mean we're like in the third row, so it'll be exciting. I think there was something else announced that was, that was cool.

03:49.16
Aaron
Yeah, there's ah there's a t or sorry TNT championship match.

03:48.99
Bradley Palermo
um

03:54.95
Aaron
Tommaso Ciampa versus Kyle Fletcher. That'll probably be good.

03:58.27
Bradley Palermo
Oh, that one I'm excited about because Tommaso is newly signed to AEW coming over from WWE, of course.

04:03.60
Aaron
her

04:04.83
Bradley Palermo
And he's already the TNT, TBS champion.

04:09.49
Aaron
TNT.

04:08.67
Bradley Palermo
Is that what said?

04:10.27
Aaron
TBS is the women's mid-card.

04:10.23
Bradley Palermo
TNT.

04:12.41
Aaron
mc card

04:11.57
Bradley Palermo
Oh, right. The TNT champion. And Kyle Fletcher is always awesome. So... That'll be cool. I mean, that's... I'm sure there'll be a lot of promos and filler and maybe, you know, hopefully we get MJF coming out and talking shit or whatever. i think it's funny when he's in l la He won't... I mean, he's so into Hollywood. He won't.

04:28.24
Bradley Palermo
He talks shit on all the towns, but he... He'll be like, you know, you bunch of slob fucks or whatever in the crowd. But he won't say like in this shitty town, in this crappy town, like he won't talk shit on Southern California, I think, because he's so Hollywood hungry.

04:43.54
Aaron
That's funny.

04:43.26
Bradley Palermo
That's just my vibe, at least. I was always i always felt like he took it easy on us. as ah As an East Coast snob, you think he would say a harder, you know, you take harder swings at us out here in L.A., but.

04:54.57
Aaron
I suppose, yeah. Oh, there is one more thing I'm seeing. ah Kenny Omega in Swerve Strickland face-to-face interview.

05:02.56
Bradley Palermo
Okay, so somebody will take a swing in that, I'm sure.

05:05.51
Aaron
Possibly, yeah.

05:13.41
Aaron
Yeah.

05:13.29
Bradley Palermo
But really, they they're kind of both babyfaces. So, we yeah, we'll see.

05:17.07
Aaron
Mm hmm.

05:17.57
Bradley Palermo
We'll see what's up with that.

05:18.80
Aaron
We'll see. I mean, hard to ah hard to top that full gear where hangman drank swerves blood. that was that was some crazy shit in L.A.

05:25.62
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, that was that was that was one of one of the craziest things I'd witnessed live at a wrestling event. um And we've seen a lot of crazy shit.

05:45.96
Aaron
Yeah, yeah.

05:47.01
Bradley Palermo
And we'll get our seat. our i guess I guess we won't get to take home a seat from Dynamite if they don't do that. But at Revolution, I should be able to bring home another chair.

05:55.04
Aaron
Oh, you're going to take home. and Yeah, you're sitting you're sitting way closer than I am.

05:56.80
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

05:58.64
Aaron
I think I'm think I got good seats for Revolution, but not a not a floor guy like you.

06:01.75
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. Yeah, I'm addicted to it.

06:05.94
Aaron
ah

06:05.15
Bradley Palermo
so Should we get into or No Way Out 2000? Let me queue up.

06:11.79
Aaron
Let's do it.

06:13.04
Bradley Palermo
and chew it up

06:47.71
Aaron
So first match, uh, Kurt angle, the European champion against Chris Jericho, the intercontinental champion for the intercontinental championship only.

06:59.86
Aaron
And I got to say, ah starting off a pay-per-view with these two guys is never a bad choice. Uh, angle came out to start off and, know, was talking some shit to the crowd, getting some heat.

07:13.94
Aaron
And, uh,

07:13.78
Bradley Palermo
No, you suck chance yet. This is pre you suck chance.

07:16.50
Aaron
Yeah, it was pre-You Suck Chance. I think it must have started. And I think, didn't we just watch No Way Out 2001 and he was getting You Suck Chance? I guess it happened in the near.

07:25.62
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. and I mean, there were definitely, there were you suck signs in this era.

07:30.13
Aaron
Yeah.

07:30.07
Bradley Palermo
There's a lot of signs, but there were you suck signs, but they weren't queuing the you suck up to like the, the entrance music.

07:35.41
Aaron
Yeah, they weren't timing it out to the music. Yeah, you're right. that Dude, so many signs.

07:37.61
Bradley Palermo
Mm-hmm.

07:40.65
Aaron
That's one thing you can always say is a bit nostalgic, is like looking back and being like, man, dish down we just don't do the sign thing anymore.

07:49.76
Bradley Palermo
sea of signs yeah they're there but that that people have said like this was the old school way of of twitter like if you wanted to say something to the world you had to like get a sign on t there was one sign and it was it said like katherine will you marry me and i'm like in a sea of all the other signs is she really gonna like catch this like she's probably not watching bro yeah

07:53.32
Aaron
Not like that.

07:59.88
Aaron
Yeah, you'd say it in a sign.

08:10.80
Aaron
Yeah, there is a bunch of weird signs like yeah wasn't there a legalize piracy sign behind J.R.

08:19.85
Bradley Palermo
Oh, I thought, yeah, I thought I saw one, another one that said legalized scalp.

08:24.44
Aaron
You know scalping, not piracy.

08:23.71
Bradley Palermo
Oh, it said scalping.

08:25.88
Aaron
yeah it was legalized scalping.

08:26.01
Bradley Palermo
But I was thinking like, you know, scalping, like taking the scalp off someone's head in the ring.

08:27.48
Aaron
i was like ticket scalping.

08:32.44
Aaron
i hope not.

08:31.61
Bradley Palermo
I was like, yeah, yeah.

08:44.51
Aaron
Chyna is an ally of Chris Jericho's, and she she has her own entrance here. She's over, of course. And yeah, like I said, when you have a match with these two guys, you can pretty much guarantee it's going to be good. They're both like in the top 20 of all time, in my opinion. i feel like that's...

09:03.27
Aaron
Probably not debatable, like in the good way.

09:02.50
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. For sure.

09:06.16
Aaron
They're just there. And this is what I expected from both of them.

09:07.18
Bradley Palermo
for sure

09:26.01
Aaron
And Jericho's about to hit Angle with the Lion Salt, and Angle has the belt and basically hits Jericho in the face while he's mid-Lion Salt, and then gets the win.

09:35.83
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

09:37.78
Aaron
So he's the new champ.

09:37.87
Bradley Palermo
Acai moonsault. They didn't call it the lion salt at this moment, which was interesting because it was the lion salt in WCW.

09:43.26
Aaron
It's always the Lion Salt to me.

09:46.10
Bradley Palermo
And I think it's the lion salt in AEW. And was it ever the lion salt in WWE? I'm sure it was again.

09:52.48
Aaron
I think it was, yeah. They just maybe didn't say it, but um yeah.

09:53.66
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. he hit a He hit the line saw off the stairs at one point, too. i mean, he did it off the ropes like he normally does, but off the stairs, outside the ring, that was kind of cool.

10:05.32
Bradley Palermo
But um yeah, it was a good opener for an athletic stuff.

10:07.10
Aaron
written

10:08.16
Bradley Palermo
And Kurt Angle is obnoxious with the new belt. He will be seen in between every match celebrating with the crowd, with other wrestlers.

10:14.91
Aaron
Yeah, that was actually pretty funny.

10:17.82
Bradley Palermo
And that's just irritating the shit out of Chris because he's like, well, you cheated. Even though, how many times has Chris cheated in his life?

10:24.83
Aaron
Yeah, well, it's and Engel is now a double champion.

10:24.57
Bradley Palermo
I mean, it's all his fare in wrestling. But.

10:28.94
Aaron
He is the European and Intercontinental champ.

10:32.32
Bradley Palermo
And then in the second match, we've got the New Age Outlaws, Road Dogg and Billy Gunn, who are the tag team champs, versus the Dudley Boys. And it was interesting. You got Bubba and Devon doing a promo before, and I never really noticed that...

10:46.54
Bradley Palermo
Bubba Ray Dudley, he... I mean, obviously, we hear him as a radio host talking about wrestling.

10:51.39
Aaron
His accent.

10:53.01
Bradley Palermo
he's doing, like, a Hick accent. But he doesn't stick to it. Because he...

10:56.75
Aaron
Yeah.

10:56.09
Bradley Palermo
This guy has one of those, like, kind of, like, raunchy East Coast accents. And he'll do that for a second. And then he goes back into, like... you know, the Hick, it's almost like the Hick accent that MJF would use or other wrestlers when they're making fun of people in the South.

11:11.24
Bradley Palermo
They're oh, you dumb Hicks care about out here he is. It's like not really like how they talk, but so it's like an, un like not really viable Southern accent, but then it goes back into his East coast thing.

11:24.24
Aaron
Yeah, it's because it's early in their tenure with the WWF, so I'm pretty sure that was a holdover from ECW, and i don't think that it lasts much longer in WWF.

11:23.86
Bradley Palermo
I never really noticed that before.

11:38.66
Aaron
I'm pretty sure very soon he's like, just talking like normal Bubba.

11:42.93
Bradley Palermo
Just bully.

11:43.100
Aaron
Yeah. Yeah.

11:43.55
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. That's cool. Well, I mean, this is, it's always kind of I mean, you get what you get with the Dudleys and the outlaws.

11:51.70
Aaron
it's just It's just too short of a match for things to really get going.

11:52.14
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

11:56.06
Aaron
like It was solid, but they're just it wasn't what I know both of these teams are capable of. um And i think that was probably like on purpose, you know because if I remember correctly, this is really like the beginning of when we start getting...

12:03.06
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

12:13.68
Aaron
Dudley's edge and Christian Hardy's like all sort of becoming the nexus of the tag team division I think that the the new age outlaws were kind of like the holdovers from the previous generation in a way so so it almost seems like that was the point of it was like you know Bubba so Bubba

12:24.13
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

12:33.47
Aaron
somehow got a lead pipe he hit Billy gun with it, like in the shoulder slash the arm, which it seems like had already been injured somehow. I couldn't tell if it was in the match or just from the previous week or something, but yeah, he did it outside when the ref isn't looking. So that could just completely incapacitates Billy gun road dog gets a, gets a 3d for his troubles and they pin them in five minutes, new champs.

12:59.62
Bradley Palermo
jr says a lot in this that i don't like the damn dudleys ah there are bunch of animals running people through tables like animals i was thinking jr what kind of animal puts people through tables like they're the only animal that puts people through tables are fucking professional wrestlers so but uh yeah it was it was kind of funny it was chaotic uh you know the the

13:17.78
Aaron
human beings.

13:22.60
Bradley Palermo
Of course, the New Age Outlaws always have a great intro and the crowd's always excited about that.

13:28.71
Aaron
Yeah.

13:28.09
Bradley Palermo
And, you know, they're coming out through the the stage has a cage on it, the entryway and stuff. So there's a vibe here, you know. um But at the end of the day, it's just it's classic early 2000s tag violence.

13:42.33
Bradley Palermo
And Meltzer gave that one. two and three quarter star that first one he gave three and one quarter star. So, I mean, it was just solid ratings, you know, its and I agree with that.

13:52.65
Bradley Palermo
These first couple of matches were, were fine.

13:55.06
Aaron
Yeah.

13:54.94
Bradley Palermo
know, this isn't like a landmark, this isn't like WrestleMania or anything, you know, this is building to WrestleMania. So we're not expecting like the biggest bangers on here, but they're, they're pretty good so far.

14:05.46
Aaron
Yeah.

14:05.14
Bradley Palermo
And then the third match was Mark Henry versus viscera.

14:09.92
Aaron
yes Sexual chocolate, Mark Henry, don't forget.

14:09.82
Bradley Palermo
Um,

14:13.16
Aaron
this is.

14:13.41
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

14:14.46
Aaron
This is the the infamous storyline for Mark Henry's early career where he has a relationship with 76-year-old Mae Young and impregnates her somehow.

14:14.56
Bradley Palermo
and this

14:25.96
Bradley Palermo
and she And Mark Henry has thrown her around in her old age. um Yeah, I guess she's, they say she's 77 at some point, but then it's corrected that she's almost 77.

14:37.23
Aaron
Yeah, she's about to be 77 next week is what they said or something.

14:36.49
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

14:48.38
Aaron
ah Oh, yeah.

14:47.64
Bradley Palermo
But, but, um,

14:58.43
Aaron
a Huge dude. He gave Mae Young like a big splash on a episode of TV, whether I can't remember if it was SmackDown or Raw. But yeah, so, you know, she's an old frail lady.

15:10.47
Aaron
He hit her right in the right in the baby maker.

15:12.97
Bradley Palermo
yeah so mark henry has got to defend his geriatric girlfriend pregnant girlfriend's uh honor and take on viscera so you have two of the biggest dudes like

15:20.28
Aaron
Yeah. yeah

15:24.19
Bradley Palermo
Two of the biggest guys and in wrestling history, probably weight-wise and height-wise going at each other. I don't even know who's bigger. I mean, I guess Mark's muscles and Vissera's fat.

15:35.20
Bradley Palermo
Vissera used to be Mabel when I was a kid. He was kind of a you know... He wore purple and wrapped and was like kind of family friendly. Now he's like goth guy ah with Marilyn Manson looking contacts and lots of black makeup on and Him and Mae Young actually died within a month of each other 2014.

15:55.26
Bradley Palermo
Mae at 90 and Viscera at 43.

15:57.20
Aaron
don know Oh that's terrible.

16:06.97
Aaron
Yeah. And, you know, this was a very short match.

16:07.22
Bradley Palermo
i'm sure that heart was

16:11.28
Aaron
ah It didn't get much of a crowd reaction, like not to their entrances, not to what was really happening until Mae Young came running to the ring to defend Mark's honor.

16:24.59
Aaron
Yeah.

16:26.19
Aaron
They even got a boring chant before Mae Young showed up, which I was like, oof, I don't think I've even heard one of those in all of the things that we've watched so far. That was that was a little rough.

16:37.32
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, because I mean, I guess they are just two big dudes. They don't do a lot. They moved really slow.

16:43.21
Aaron
It just felt like there wasn't a lot of buildup going on.

16:43.02
Bradley Palermo
Obviously. Yeah. Yeah. And looks it looks like the match was under five minutes. um You know, May gets tossed around. Mark Henry gets the pin.

16:54.19
Bradley Palermo
ah Meltzer didn't even bother rating it. So not not a whole lot here, but but a funny backstory with the pregnancy and all.

17:01.05
Aaron
I mean, the story, yeah the story is like a ridiculous soap opera kind of thing, which we've talked about before. And I mean, it seems like the crowd was interested, but they didn't really care about any of the wrestling. They just wanted Mae Young to come out. so

17:16.26
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. Yeah. And she, you know, she used to be a wrestler, so it's good for her that she still got us a spot on the card at this age. But let me move on to Terry Funk and the Hardy Boys versus...

17:28.71
Aaron
terry funk terry runnels

17:29.86
Bradley Palermo
Wait, what did I write down? don't know. I guess I... I don't know. and i yeah I think I just had... I meant to say to the Hardy Boys with Terry Reynolds.

17:39.61
Bradley Palermo
Terry Runnels?

17:41.41
Aaron
runnels yeah she yes another tag match uh

17:41.33
Bradley Palermo
The Hardy Boys with Terry Runnels versus Edge and Christian.

17:47.83
Bradley Palermo
Too many tag matches on this thing, honestly.

17:50.36
Aaron
A little bit, but this one had some stakes. This was a tag match to determine who the number one contenders for the ww WWF Tag Team Championship would be.

18:01.24
Aaron
um There wasn't didn't seem like there was too much backstory on the feud, but Terry hired ah APA as security. That's Bradshaw and Farouk.

18:15.21
Aaron
And i don't really know why she hired them. I guess maybe they didn't want the Dudley boys to come in and, and like interfere or something. I don't know. But, um, I enjoyed this one, you know, a lot long, it was a lot longer than, than the Dudley boys and the outlaws.

18:31.49
Aaron
It had time to breathe. Um, and again, like, How could you not like a Hardy Boys Edge and Christian match? They're always very good. This like one of their most famous ones. It it was good. i don't think it was as good as some of the ones that people remember, you know, fondly, but um solid moves, good crowd investment, and, you know, an interesting twist that I didn't necessarily see coming. So.

19:00.24
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, I feel like it was cool to see the Hardy Boys yeah and Eijing Christian young, you know, but i they did develop further for sure. i thought it was funny that Lawler, when Terry came out, he said, glad to see your back, Terry.

19:13.66
Bradley Palermo
Glad to see your front, too. ah

19:16.87
Aaron
God damn it.

19:17.31
Bradley Palermo
his usual perv and um edge and christian are brothers we've noticed at this part in wwe before it's like the dudleys are brothers edge and christian are brothers neither of those things are true uh they are they actually are brothers i'm like you have some brothers why do you need to lie about everyone why does everyone got to be a fucking brother like it doesn't make anything

19:19.37
Aaron
Yep.

19:29.83
Aaron
mad and hart Matt and Jeff are brothers. For real. but

19:37.54
Aaron
Because that's what makes them such a good tag team as they they came from the same womb.

19:42.72
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, you know, when Edge did a pile driver on Jeff Hardy, i was thinking thing about pile drivers in wrestling. Like, I don't like them. I don't, like because dropping someone on their head should be the end.

20:05.14
Bradley Palermo
I like it with The Undertaker because he crosses their hands like they're, you know, rest in peace, like like it's it's all over. And you believe it when it's someone like The Undertaker. But I don't really, it's weird for me to see someone hit someone with like a pile driver and then next thing you know, they're up and they're jumping around. And in aw people get hit with pile drivers like all day and they kick out. So I don't know, side side note, but the match was fine. Some cool high flying.

20:30.05
Bradley Palermo
um i didn't really care who who who won. So I guess that made it a little less exciting for me.

20:35.90
Aaron
yeah

20:35.55
Bradley Palermo
um Terry drew jeff drew Jeff off the turnbuckle. She was supposed to be on his side. And I was wondering why she hired whatever the fucking guys that Farouk and let's like Bradshaw.

20:45.46
Aaron
Bradshaw.

20:46.72
Bradley Palermo
But we kind of find out after she sabotages the Hardys that she's she's sort of siding with Bradshaw and Farouk. And she's leaving the Hardys behind, which i don't know.

20:58.23
Bradley Palermo
Have we seen her turn on them before or someone else turn on them?

21:01.65
Aaron
Um, I don't think we've seen anyone else turn on them in what we have watched. And I don't think Terry was with them for very long.

21:07.56
Bradley Palermo
Okay, yeah, yeah.

21:11.21
Aaron
So, you know, I think I don't I don't know if if Lita has shown up yet or if she comes a little later.

21:19.15
Bradley Palermo
Oh, yeah, yeah.

21:20.21
Aaron
But um yeah, Terry betrayed the Hardys. Like you said, she helps Edge and Christian get the win. And obviously the Hardys are mad at Terry and that.

21:29.25
Aaron
And then now you understand why she hired APA because they step in

21:33.57
Bradley Palermo
they were calling them Acolytes. They're also APA.

21:35.87
Aaron
Yeah, the Acolyte Protection Agency is is what is what it is.

21:39.04
Bradley Palermo
OK, OK. All right. Sure, whatever.

21:42.27
Aaron
um So, yeah, they they they intervene on Terry's behalf once like Matt or Jeff is upset and trying to you know, pulling on her hair and trying to get her in the ring.

21:42.91
Bradley Palermo
oh

21:51.98
Aaron
They step in the ring. They beat the shit out of the Hardys. And then they walk away.

21:57.13
Bradley Palermo
And that makes sense because now Edge and Christian are number one contenders and for the title.

22:02.80
Aaron
Yeah.

22:02.18
Bradley Palermo
They can go on and fight the du what the Dudleys.

22:05.23
Aaron
Yep.

22:13.70
Bradley Palermo
Dave Meltzer gave this one a three-star rating, and I think it lasted you know a little under 15 minutes. So it was all right, you know?

22:21.05
Aaron
Yeah, it wasn't bad, wasn't great. um It was certainly better than the fifth match on the card, which is what's next. And that was Taz against the big boss man who is accompanied by Prince Albert.

22:34.97
Aaron
ah

22:34.71
Bradley Palermo
Prince Albert is disgusting. he is named after penis jewelry.

22:37.72
Aaron
ah i know You know who that is? That's ah Matt Bloom is his actual name, his government name. And he is he's the head trainer in the performance center.

22:50.54
Bradley Palermo
Oh, interesting. That's good that he's still working there.

22:53.44
Aaron
Yeah, yeah.

22:53.54
Bradley Palermo
But he he has a real sleazy vibe, like a kind of a leather daddy sort of thing with bad facial hair.

22:57.75
Aaron
And he's so hairy, too.

22:58.58
Bradley Palermo
And his back is covered in hair. His face has like facial details where it's like a beard, but it's like little lines of a beard. And oh just, yeah.

23:06.13
Aaron
he's got a lot of piercings. Yeah, just a pretty, pretty gross looking dude. um don't really. It seems like this. If this was if this feud was happening before this night, they didn't explain it because of what they did show us was that ah boss man and Prince Albert attacked Taz earlier in the night.

23:28.66
Aaron
and Now we have this match. So ah this match doesn't even make it a minute before Prince Albert starts to interfere and the ref calls for the bell.

23:39.48
Aaron
And I just wrote like, what was the point of this? I mean, what, you know, after the bell rings, they beat up Taz. He keeps getting back up. I guess the point maybe was to show how tough Taz was.

23:51.26
Aaron
um You know, some one of the two of them, I think boss man took his nightstick and hit Taz in the face with it and it shattered shattered and he still got up and attack them.

23:59.74
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

24:02.46
Aaron
So that, that would be my guess is that they were trying to make Taz an even bigger bad-ass, but the crap I'm pretty sure I heard the crowd chant bullshit while this was all going down.

24:11.14
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

24:12.65
Aaron
So to me, this was a waste of time and a, and a misfire.

24:17.21
Bradley Palermo
And also, you know, having the cop character in this one, boss man is more in black attire and he's

24:24.15
Bradley Palermo
kind of looking he looks like ri a riot gear cop I mean he doesn't have like the headgear but it's it's that vibe

24:28.50
Aaron
He doesn't he doesn't look like he used to. He he looks more like he's ah like a hired mercenary or something.

24:34.87
Bradley Palermo
but seeing a cop you know be an asshole and beat someone with a nightstick is you know very American so it it seemed believable it seemed more believable than his sort of cartoon cop sort of thing before so but yeah

24:44.22
Aaron
Sure.

24:47.16
Aaron
yeah it's it very attitude era, very modern for the time, modern heel.

24:54.64
Bradley Palermo
but it's just a worthless match a waste of a waste of a minute and 44 seconds and um we don't have a melta rating on this one i don't think there was one but i would put it in the dud category personally and then we get into ah a no holds barred match kane versus ekpok man there's a lot of matches on this thing um

25:07.18
Aaron
Yeah.

25:14.20
Bradley Palermo
This is kind of a wild fight. I mean, Kane is obviously huge and X-Pac is of a smaller, on the smaller end for a wrestler.

25:22.42
Bradley Palermo
X-Pac...

25:24.76
Aaron
Like they were they were like BFFs until X-Pac hooked up with Kane's girlfriend, Tori.

25:32.29
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, I guess Kane... you know, he's had a rough life and he finally got a girlfriend and X-Pac decided to fuck her So,

25:36.69
Aaron
Yeah. ah It's just like, holy shit, man.

25:40.34
Bradley Palermo
um

25:42.54
Aaron
This is more like Jerry Springer soap opera nonsense.

25:44.85
Bradley Palermo
yeah. Kane is called the Big Red Machine. And I always think it's funny when I hear that. It's just, it's not, it's not scary.

25:52.79
Aaron
It's not very flattering.

25:53.20
Bradley Palermo
It reminds, yeah, it just, it just reminds me of Clifford the Big Red Dog, you know?

25:58.22
Aaron
It makes me just think of he's the big red rocket. He's a big old dog wiener.

26:01.76
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Right. There's some, there's definitely a dog penis.

26:07.68
Aaron
That's going to be the name of this episode, isn't it?

26:09.67
Bradley Palermo
but You know, I take it where I can get it. You know, if if we say something that's clickbaitable, I'll use it as it's as an episode title, but um it looks cool when they're fighting in the crowd, all the people, the signs and just the hyped attitude era.

26:26.30
Bradley Palermo
Fandom. Yeah, that's cool. um Bearer.

26:28.64
Aaron
The crowd always does love when people fight outside the ring. I've noticed over the the last like month or two that we've been watching any time it's like around this time period and they're not fighting in the ring.

26:31.81
Bradley Palermo
yeah yeah

26:40.06
Aaron
Crowds like, oh my God, going fucking nuts.

26:41.67
Bradley Palermo
yeah they love yeah they get excited and paul bearer gets involved on kane's behalf that's kind of fun he's wearing a red suit i believe um tori gets tombstoned by kane um

26:43.98
Aaron
They're 10 feet away from me. Holy shit.

26:57.92
Aaron
Yeah, that got a huge pop.

26:59.92
Bradley Palermo
yeah so um and then Kane gets pinned with X-Pac uh has the stairs on his fucking head I mean it's it was violent and action-packed was you know moving us kind of along it was it was cool whatever uh two and a half star rating less than 10 minute match

27:19.24
Bradley Palermo
you have anything to add on that one

27:21.02
Aaron
Um, no, I just, I, it was, it was okay. Uh, the, the, the finish with the, with X-Pac like pinning Kane with the stairs, the, the steel steps like on his chest was a little weird.

27:33.50
Aaron
it Just didn't feel real.

27:33.97
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

27:35.84
Aaron
I guess it felt, it felt a little staged.

27:36.41
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

27:39.29
Aaron
Um, but it was a fun match. yeah I didn't, I didn't love it, but I also was not like, oh, this is so bad. You know, it it was what it promised it would be.

27:49.19
Aaron
i guess I just like the thing that I'm noticing about this pay-per-view is every match,

27:49.92
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

27:55.26
Aaron
feels like it would be great on paper. And then I watch it and I'm like, oh, this either didn't have any time at all, or it just wasn't as interesting as I thought it would be, or it didn't have as much crowd investment as I thought it would have.

28:08.46
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, I was...

28:10.55
Bradley Palermo
I feel like I was trying to get through this and I just wasn't thrilled. i I feel like it was all just kind of like fodder getting us to the main event or or the last couple matches, but even the second last match is like whatever.

28:20.49
Aaron
Yeah, I kind of felt the same.

28:35.60
Bradley Palermo
But with wrestling, yeah, I mean, we watch a lot of this shit. So us seeing... Kane and X-Pac, you know, and Suck It and Jerry Lawler saying the sleazy stuff.

28:45.81
Bradley Palermo
It's like, is like just kind of almost going to work at this point. Like this stuff isn't that shocking. We see so much of it.

28:52.07
Aaron
Yeah, yeah.

28:52.23
Bradley Palermo
Right.

28:52.75
Bradley Palermo
But um the next.

28:55.13
Aaron
Oh, go ahead.

28:55.65
Bradley Palermo
Okay. No, no, no.

28:56.99
Aaron
And the next match kind of didn't really help with that because we had another tag match. This time it was a six-man tag match. It was Too Cool, which is Scotty Too Hottie, Grandmaster Sexay, and Rikishi.

29:12.13
Bradley Palermo
yeah

29:13.22
Aaron
against the radicals who I had. I actually didn't know that this was a thing or I didn't remember that this was a thing. The radicals is Benoit, Dean Malenko, Perry Saturn and Eddie Guerrero. And so like on its face, it's like, holy shit, what a group that is, you know?

29:28.64
Bradley Palermo
yeah

29:29.60
Aaron
um They just came over from WCW. This is before WCW had been purchased by w wf So they were just like, no, let's get the hell out of here. Cause they would, and I remember this time too, you know, they weren't really being utilized in WCW.

29:59.31
Aaron
It was not, bad, but it was just kind of like after everything else I had seen, i was like, meh, this was fine.

30:05.70
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, I was just kind of in the wrong attitude of this once this came on, like for the aforementioned reasons. Like, fuck, another tag match.

30:14.21
Aaron
No, but like, but like, it's funny that you said that because I literally wrote down, i don't know if I'm in a bad mood or something, but like, this was just okay.

30:23.87
Aaron
So it's not, it wasn't just you, you weren't in a bad mood.

30:24.20
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

30:26.70
Aaron
Like, cause I don't think both of us could have simultaneously been in bad moods watching this at different, on different days at different times.

30:30.64
Bradley Palermo
Right.

30:33.94
Aaron
You know, it was just something about it just felt a little meh.

30:33.64
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

30:38.65
Bradley Palermo
You got like the one dude, like I think Scotty Too Hotty, he's got like a visor on with spiky hair and everyone's screaming worm.

30:46.38
Aaron
Yeah.

30:47.48
Bradley Palermo
They want him to do the worm and Jerry Lawler.

30:49.49
Aaron
It's a bucket hat with with the top ah cut off so that he can his spiky hair can come straight up through the the top of it.

30:54.32
Bradley Palermo
Okay.

30:57.62
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

30:57.07
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, Jerry says he's got the something about Mary hair gel in there. um Another Jerry Lawler sleaze moment. um Scotty eventually does do the worm.

31:14.46
Aaron
Yeah, that's ah that's Lawler's son. Grandmaster sex a isn't that Brian Christopher?

31:17.39
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. Oh, right, right. You're right. We've talked about that.

31:23.18
Aaron
Yeah, so.

31:23.30
Bradley Palermo
These, I mean, yeah it's just...

31:26.06
Aaron
No one's really like nobody on too cool is that good. Rikishi is fine, but he was playing an injury angle this whole match, like someone had attacked his leg. I assume it was the radicals, you know, on TV or whatever, but The thing that bugged me the most was there came a point where it was so hard to tell who were the legal participants of the match.

31:47.88
Aaron
And I know that, ah you know, that's like, that's very nitpicky.

31:47.67
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

31:51.72
Aaron
I understand. But you at least need to be entertained enough where you don't ask yourself that question. So if I'm asking who's legal in the match, something's not going right.

32:05.92
Bradley Palermo
Right. I agree with you on that. It should be taking you so to a place, not like just sort of... whatever this was you're waiting for a stink bomb a worm you get the stink bomb rigged from rikishi eventually on what ben was face or something yeah and then um rikishi eventually i guess does a rikishi bomb uh uh and well yeah well before both of them

32:21.14
Aaron
I think so, yeah.

32:26.52
Aaron
Yeah, it's like it's like n the Annihilator. i didn't realize that's where Naya got it from. It was Yokozuna, right? It's a Samoan thing.

32:34.60
Bradley Palermo
yoga Zuna was doing it.

32:36.41
Aaron
Just drop that ass.

32:35.74
Bradley Palermo
Right. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what won. And, um, Rikishi and the two jackass dudes that he's tagging with do like a boy band dance that we've seen before when we watch this era.

32:48.100
Bradley Palermo
It's funny to see Rikishi dance. He always kind of acts like he's not going to do it with sexay and too hottie, but then he like comes like he puts on the glasses and then he does it.

32:56.87
Aaron
He's like, all right, yeah

32:58.78
Bradley Palermo
And I mean, it's they're dancing in a line to choreograph dance. And then Rikishi bends over in his thong and his huge fucking dempily ass and You know, it does the whole thing.

33:09.84
Bradley Palermo
It's it's funny and it's it's entertaining and ridiculous. And I mean, you know, Meltzer gave this one three stars. i would i would go more like one and a half, you know, or two tops.

33:21.06
Aaron
Yeah, I think it's probably just because...

33:20.43
Bradley Palermo
But yeah.

33:23.83
Aaron
it's got Benoit, Malenko and Saturn in it. Like, I think we've just seen a lot of this kind of stuff before.

33:27.09
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

33:30.94
Aaron
um And I also think that Too Cool were very popular at that time. You know, was like white.

33:43.65
Bradley Palermo
yeah

33:47.71
Aaron
They're in on the real world or some shit. So, it you know, there's nothing wrong with it. It was just like it was fine.

33:53.19
Aaron
it was good.

33:56.18
Aaron
Yeah. And i I did I did write down here because we mentioned it before, but I wrote down, l LOL, Kurt Angle has been celebrating the entirety of this pay-per-view, just walking around the concourse, walking through the fucking every part of the arena and just celebrating that he has two belts.

33:56.34
Bradley Palermo
um

34:14.81
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, that was a funny thread. I mean, and it gets paid off here after the other matches. I don't remember. At the end? The very end? No, after this match, I think.

34:23.50
Aaron
It was after that. Yeah. the After match number eight, which was Big Show versus The Rock. um This one had a bit of story. And we watched. So the the in the Royal Rumble 2000, which we did watch ah Rock and Big Show were the final two.

34:40.38
Aaron
And from the angle that we saw it on the pay-per-view, it looked like Rock. And Big Show went over at the same time, but Rock was able to hang on to the top rope and not have his feet touch the ground.

34:54.60
Aaron
But. This whole storyline was based on the fact that Rock's feet actually did touch the ground and they touched the ground before Big Show's did. So technically, according to Big Show, he was the winner of the Royal Rumble and he deserves a title match at WrestleMania.

35:12.02
Aaron
um And, you know, the story itself, like the the the finer details of like he's trying to convince Triple H and Triple is like, oh, wellll just find me a witness or find me some ah photographic evidence. And Triple H just keeps making it harder for Big Show. Like that was all kind of stupid.

35:29.76
Aaron
i think the the premise of the idea, like taking something that probably was a mistake and making it into a storyline.

35:29.34
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. Yeah.

35:37.39
Aaron
I like that. That's the kind of stuff that when it happens nowadays, you're like, oh yeah, that's cool. you know Is it real? Is it not real? I don't know.

35:45.38
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. So you think big show was supposed to win the rumble, but because people knew that rocks feet hit, they went ahead and made a match.

35:52.77
Aaron
I don't know. I'm i'm ah not sure why this became a story, if it got any kind of backlash or whatever, because like like I was saying a minute ago, i don't know if you remember, but when we watched this rumble like that, we didn't see that angle of Rock's feet touching first.

35:59.20
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

36:10.07
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

36:11.90
Aaron
We saw we saw like behind the rock, so you couldn't even tell that his feet had touched first.

36:11.51
Bradley Palermo
Right. Yeah.

36:18.31
Aaron
So I don't know if it was like, yeah, like you're saying, like backlash from people who were there or reporting or whatever.

36:18.27
Bradley Palermo
That's funny.

36:24.59
Aaron
I don't think that really happened as much back then, but either way, it was a cool setup.

36:27.48
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

36:30.53
Aaron
um But even this match didn't really do much for me and again until the end, which I thought was at least I was laughing at it because it was kind of ridiculous.

36:42.02
Bradley Palermo
Did you see the sign that said ah candy ass and it had an actual plastic ass on it?

36:48.43
Aaron
ah no

36:48.26
Bradley Palermo
So it was like a poster board candy on the top ass on the bottom. But then, yeah, it was like, that was pretty good.

36:53.39
Aaron
Amazing.

37:03.25
Aaron
Didn't they say he was 28 or something?

37:03.14
Bradley Palermo
um

37:06.21
Bradley Palermo
Okay.

37:07.36
Aaron
Like 28 years old or something like that?

37:06.69
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. They said his age. That must've been.

37:09.32
Aaron
i was like, wow, gosh, he's so young.

37:09.35
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. Yeah.

37:11.80
Aaron
Maybe he was even younger.

37:11.51
Bradley Palermo
the ref sum The refs have been fighting all night because there was something that happened with the when when the Jericho match occurred and Engle cheated with the belt.

37:12.64
Aaron
Maybe he was 25. I don't know.

37:22.66
Bradley Palermo
I think Ebner or someone came out and tried to say, like hey, what this is what really happened.

37:28.36
Aaron
Yeah.

37:27.60
Bradley Palermo
And the ref was like, why the fuck are you like interfering in my match? So that play that comes into play. um In this match, the the there's there's a ref bump and then the other ref comes out and tries to count.

37:40.97
Bradley Palermo
and

37:42.31
Aaron
And then Earl rips that ref out of the ring, starts yelling at him. And then before you know it, the the second ref was like ground and pounding Hebner. Like it looked like he was full force punching him.

37:54.56
Aaron
It was hilarious. i was Like, what is happening?

37:55.83
Bradley Palermo
You don't see that a lot in WWE.

37:58.84
Aaron
No.

37:58.10
Bradley Palermo
w you don't see a lot of that. You do see it in Mexico in AAA, the referees, there's a lot more like heel refs and baby face refs and they they do get into fights.

38:09.14
Aaron
That's fun.

38:09.03
Bradley Palermo
um But yeah, it's kind of a fun thing. But I was surprised to see it happen with Earl. And then Shane McMahon comes out.

38:19.86
Aaron
huge pop.

38:19.30
Bradley Palermo
And yeah, and he distracts everybody. And I don't know, Rock hits...

38:24.44
Aaron
He was pro rock. He was supposed to be like that. I'm assuming that's what we were supposed to think, right? Because he got such a big babyface reaction. He's coming down to the ring.

38:32.26
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

38:33.51
Aaron
You're like, oh, maybe he's going to help rock out. but ah I can't remember. I think rock got a rock bottom on big show.

38:37.42
Bradley Palermo
Yeah,

38:47.61
Bradley Palermo
yeah and Big Show wins, which is brutal and kind of messy, but, but ah you know, it's all right. I mean, I guess that that sends Big Show to WrestleMania.

38:58.07
Aaron
Sort of, which is the funny thing about like how this all turns out.

38:57.40
Bradley Palermo
um

39:02.59
Aaron
I'll tell you at the end.

39:02.48
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

39:03.84
Aaron
yes, Shane screws the rock. Big show gets the win. As far as we know, he is headed to WrestleMania for a title shot. And.

39:11.74
Bradley Palermo
Yes, and then then we get the the payoff of where um Chris Jericho finally catches up to the celebrating Kurt Angle, who he calls Kurt Angel.

39:22.80
Bradley Palermo
I don't really know how good of an insult that is, but he finally catches him in the...

39:25.88
Aaron
Is that he's trying to call him Criss Angel?

39:28.49
Bradley Palermo
Oh, is that what it is?

39:29.93
Aaron
That's what I assume.

39:29.53
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

39:31.50
Aaron
Was Criss Angel even around in the year 2000?

39:31.18
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, but he...

39:34.54
Bradley Palermo
Probably, but finally catches his ass and beats him up in the parking lot. So at least you get that going. The celebration is over. And we move on to The Rock versus The Big Show for the main event.

39:48.17
Bradley Palermo
Wait, no. What?

39:49.98
Aaron
ChatGPT's speeding you lies.

39:51.96
Bradley Palermo
No, I just read that the ah the last one. We move on to the WWF title. Hell in a Cell. Champion. Triple H versus Cactus Jack. Cactus Jack's career versus Triple H's championship title.

40:06.46
Bradley Palermo
um This one was good. this is This goes into sort of like classic territory.

40:08.97
Aaron
Yeah.

40:10.93
Bradley Palermo
This kind of makes up for some of the lackluster stuff we'd seen. getting up to this match and i never seen this match and i'm excited that i did i was curious because um i mean the stakes are high right a retirement match potentially if if cactus jack loses and they and they mention in it it's cactus jack mcfoley mankind whatever you want whatever you do love whatever you want to call him and he's they're all done if this happens um

40:32.54
Aaron
Yeah, it's everyone.

40:39.20
Aaron
And this had been building for a while, too. We saw at Royal Rumble 2000 that that was their hardcore match that we watched that was like super crazy with the thumbtacks where he took the pedigree on the thumbtacks.

40:47.40
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

40:51.71
Aaron
So, yeah, this one's been brewing for a while. It had a really good recap package. um And, you know, it's. what you expect, but for some reason, yeah, like you're saying, this one just, this one slapped a little bit. This one starts off violent. It's violent the whole way through.

41:18.46
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. And the crowd is firmly behind Cactus Jack. They're chanting fully.

41:22.58
Aaron
yeah And, um,

41:23.35
Bradley Palermo
They're, um,

41:25.04
Aaron
Yeah, it just kind of continued. So i what part of the build-up, part of the recap, um Foley was talking, or Cactus was talking about how he was going to jump off of the cell, but this time he was going to, you know, jump onto Triple H. So the cell gets lowered, the match starts and Cactus goes over to the door and the door has got like eight giant locks on it. So there's just no way he's he's going to be able to get out, climb the cage and jump onto Triple H. So

41:58.14
Aaron
They're fighting outside of the ring for a bit. um i think Triple H was going to do like a pedigree, maybe on on the bottom section of the steel steps, but Cactus reverses it and throws.

42:12.17
Aaron
what do What do they call that? He's got him, got him on his back and just chucks him behind him into the into the the cage and that bust Triple H open.

42:23.00
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, that was a cool move, whatever that was called.

42:25.35
Aaron
I forget what they call that.

42:24.68
Bradley Palermo
Mm-hmm.

42:45.37
Aaron
um

42:46.31
Bradley Palermo
Cactus was trying to break that cage the whole time, but as it was cool when he finally did it.

42:50.49
Aaron
Yeah, it was

42:51.00
Bradley Palermo
And he's got a lot to live up to because this is after he had done all that crazy match with the Undertaker, which this match does harken back to.

42:55.33
Aaron
with Taker. Yeah. And I looked it up. Yeah, no, for sure. i looked And I looked it up and this was, I think, like the the fifth or sixth Hell in a Cell match ever.

43:31.72
Aaron
Cactus comes up after him, but Triple H you know attacks him while he's still on the side. And Foley does... a fall onto the Spanish announce table that looked pretty rough.

43:44.52
Aaron
and The way the way is his head kind of looked like it snapped back. I don't know if he actually made contact with anything, but it looked intense for sure.

43:49.54
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

43:53.54
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. They were saying he hit his head on the chair, but I don't, it didn't look like he hit his head to me, but it's still crazy. I mean, he fell off the fucking near the top of the cage and that's what everyone expected. what people want to see.

44:05.91
Aaron
Yeah. And, um, oh, I, I forgot to mention that before he climbed before fully climbed up to try and come after triple H, he pulled out a barbed wire wrapped two by four, um, threw that up fully, like pushed it off to the, or I'm sorry, triple h pushed it off to the side and then threw fully down onto the ground.

44:05.71
Bradley Palermo
And then, uh,

44:25.25
Aaron
Um,

44:25.33
Bradley Palermo
you don't get the barbed wire two by four in wrestling anymore that often.

44:28.96
Aaron
You don't know.

44:29.04
Bradley Palermo
Right.

44:30.21
Aaron
I'm not not very often.

44:30.05
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

44:43.66
Aaron
i think eventually he he does go up to the top and they're fighting a bit on the roof. And then. You don't see what Cactus is doing for a while.

44:53.04
Aaron
Eventually, he lights the barbed wire wrap 2x4 on fire, and he hits Triple H with it once.

44:57.68
Bradley Palermo
On fire on top on top of the cage.

45:01.92
Aaron
Top of the cage, yeah. And then it looks like Cactus is going to try to pile drive Triple H onto it, ah but Triple H does a reverse into a back body drop.

45:13.43
Aaron
which gets cactus to land on top of the cage. Uh, and an entire panel of the cage just kind of becomes undone and swings open and cactus falls like he did in that match with Taker, but this time very much on purpose down into the ring, which also, which also breaks, or i don't know how, you know, like what they did with Taz and Bam Bam.

45:37.72
Aaron
I like they, there's a hole of some sort.

45:37.75
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, clearly there is a a spot.

45:40.60
Aaron
yeah

45:40.53
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, with some sort of pad to drop onto.

45:43.36
Aaron
But still like super intense.

45:43.05
Bradley Palermo
But I mean, it's still a crazy.

45:45.93
Aaron
Yeah.

45:46.24
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. and And as long as the pad isn't exposed or whatever, it doesn't really matter. I mean, he went through the ring.

45:52.77
Aaron
Yeah.

45:52.22
Bradley Palermo
It's for all intents and purposes, you know, it's

46:06.25
Aaron
This still looked so dangerous, you know, like there's a lot of ways that that could have gone wrong.

46:08.27
Bradley Palermo
yeah

46:11.64
Aaron
So, yeah, very impressive.

46:12.50
Bradley Palermo
I was nervous when they were standing on top of the cage and with something on fire. i mean Mind you, when he went through the cage, they just left that thing on fire on top of the cage.

46:22.02
Aaron
yeah

46:21.32
Bradley Palermo
like but when there All this stuff was actually making me nervous. like It wasn't just, oh my god, there's Mick Foley. He jumps off of shit. like They're bleeding again. like no it was it makes you kind of queasy.

46:33.41
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

46:33.51
Bradley Palermo
I mean, all these cages, all this wire and cage kind of giving way and bending as they're walking on it in weird spots. They're heavy dudes. And I know that the part that came apart was planned, but the parts, the other parts that were walking on, it still made me feel uneasy.

46:50.56
Bradley Palermo
And guess that's the emotional ride you want to be taken on. I, I understand why they don't do shit quite like this anymore because they're lucky that they never paralyzed someone.

47:00.56
Aaron
Yeah.

47:00.68
Bradley Palermo
They paralyzed people doing far less spots you know far less dangerous spots people still get dropped on their heads so this shit was i mean crazier than the will probably anything we'll probably see again in the wwe i could see somebody convincing tony khan to let him do something like that in aw someday but but um

47:18.38
Aaron
Yeah, I mean, Darby fucking jumped off a ladder into a pane of glass that that's arguably crazier than any of this.

47:22.53
Bradley Palermo
yeah they

47:25.48
Aaron
But yeah, you're you're right.

47:25.74
Bradley Palermo
And they're always lighting each other on fire.

47:28.43
Aaron
who

47:27.77
Bradley Palermo
you know i know that they have fire retardant you know creams on, but mean, you couldn't... i wouldn't i wouldn't have the courage to try that no matter how professional it was on a movie set or in a wrestling ring.

47:39.25
Bradley Palermo
It's still it's still insane.

47:41.32
Aaron
Yeah.

47:40.68
Bradley Palermo
i mean, props to these guys for risking themselves for our entertainment for all of these... you know Over the years, we've watched this shit back and it's always like, fuck.

47:50.71
Aaron
Yeah, it it never fails.

47:51.30
Bradley Palermo
We can't top the attitude

48:08.17
Aaron
You know, he he wasn't ready to give up just yet. He did get hit with a pedigree like a minute later and and got pinned. So Triple h wins. But yeah, Yeah, this was obviously the match of the night.

48:17.46
Bradley Palermo
And cat cactus retires only to come back 30 days later or so.

48:24.77
Aaron
Yeah, for WrestleMania.

48:24.71
Bradley Palermo
um

48:25.77
Aaron
So this is the funny part, right? So this WrestleMania, I remember WrestleMania 2000. The main event was like a fucking fatal four way.

48:35.06
Aaron
It wasn't even like.

48:36.90
Bradley Palermo
bill

48:37.59
Aaron
Yeah, like Big Show didn't even get his match. I mean, he was in the match, but it was. It was a fatal four way elimination match. Okay. So it was a little different because it was like getting rid of people one at a time instead of just like one pin and it's over.

48:51.54
Aaron
It was.

48:50.74
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, eventually you do get two men in the ring fighting it out, but it takes a minute to get there, yeah.

48:54.16
Aaron
Yeah. It was triple H versus the rock versus Mick Foley versus big show. And everyone had everyone had a McMahon,

49:03.49
Aaron
you know, on their side. So Triple H had Stephanie, Rock had Vince, Mick had Linda and Big Show had Shane.

49:10.55
Bradley Palermo
ah he had Linda, huh? That's funny.

49:12.80
Aaron
Yeah.

49:14.24
Bradley Palermo
man.

49:15.78
Bradley Palermo
Let's see.

49:21.50
Bradley Palermo
So we have three-tier rating system here at Grappler City Rewind. Fast forward play or rewind. Fast forward being we did not like it. Play being we enjoyed it.

49:32.02
Bradley Palermo
And rewind being it was pretty fucking awesome. of Of the best things we've watched, amongst the best things we've watched, this was your call to watch this particular pay-per-view, Aaron.

49:43.13
Bradley Palermo
So that means it's your... you You are to go first and give us your verdict.

49:48.87
Aaron
I am to go first. Okay.

49:50.34
Bradley Palermo
but

49:51.27
Aaron
Well... i am torn. Because the main event's really good. Angle versus Jericho was was pretty good. um Most of the tag matches were good.

50:04.06
Aaron
But then there was just like a bunch of poop-ah around it. Like, I just...

50:07.90
Bradley Palermo
yeah yeah

50:09.67
Aaron
my my When I finished the pay-per-view, I wrote, fast forward, just watch the main event and the opening match. I don't...

50:16.33
Bradley Palermo
yeah

50:17.49
Aaron
i i Yeah, you know what? I'm going to with my initial thought. Fast forward. but just Just watch the main event, watch the opening match. um You could watch one of the tag matches, but that's the thing, right? is like If I'm going to tell you to go watch a...

50:32.26
Aaron
a 2000s era tag match. There's like five others that I would pick before any of these. So. Fast forward.

50:41.20
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, I don't disagree with you, I mean, on all those points. I wrote down play, and but it just because there was a classic match to end it off, ah to end, or something that felt like it could be, something that was a really good hell-in-the-cell match.

50:54.18
Aaron
Yeah.

50:55.18
Bradley Palermo
But But if it wasn't for that, I probably would have went all the way down to fast-forward. So, you know... yeah Yeah, it was hard to get through it all. I mean, I could i could have gone either way, but we'll just say um play for me, and that balances it out to probably where it should be, where it's kind of not the worst thing ever, but certainly not something that we would give a rewind rating.

51:22.43
Bradley Palermo
I guess I can just play that for every single one. I don't know.

51:26.25
Bradley Palermo
let's see.

51:28.88
Bradley Palermo
Yeah,

51:29.72
Aaron
About your grapple gang one.

51:31.54
Bradley Palermo
yeah i don't know I have that.

51:33.03
Aaron
Maybe you put that in.

51:59.61
Bradley Palermo
Really, you can, ah as as the saying goes, anything goes. You can call and say whatever you want. We'll play it on the air. I'll i'll make sure I play um a voicemail or two on the next episode. That's 626-657-SLAM. 626-657-SLAM. Or you can find us on Instagram, XSAM.

52:18.78
Bradley Palermo
slamed or you can find us on tiktok instagram x IG, whatever. That is Instagram. um Cross social media, grapplecitypod or grapplecitypod at gmail.com if you'd rather send us an an email.

52:49.98
Aaron
uh no way out 2001 think

53:00.53
Bradley Palermo
I mean, should it not as AAA should not have one that, um, one guy, from on the mark wrestling podcast reached out and said it was one of the greatest messages of their career. It's such a rewatchable crap, classic, the few between those two, the feud leading up to no way out was top notch, but then, um, someone else wrote in and said, Austin, not winning was ridiculous booking.

53:20.61
Bradley Palermo
Um,

53:21.47
Aaron
It wasn't the best, especially when you consider what happened at WrestleMania 17. don't know if you remember that one, but pretty sure that's the one where Stone Cold turns heel.

53:33.96
Aaron
Like he aligns with Vince.

53:35.86
Bradley Palermo
Okay, yeah, this other guy, Adam, said the whole rivalry was so good. It really seemed like they hated each other so much. Triple A winning. that He loved Triple H winning because it was unexpected and should have led to more after Mania before ah the Austin heel turn messed all of that up.

53:50.93
Bradley Palermo
So people have various opinions. It seemed like a hotly contested creative choice amongst the grapple gang.

53:57.71
Aaron
Interesting. I mean, I i didn't really, i yeah, I, I liked the match a lot.

53:59.59
Bradley Palermo
I thought it was cool.

54:02.99
Aaron
It was a fantastic match. I guess I didn't in, in having the benefit of hindsight, I don't really care who won. Like, I just like both of those guys, but I could see how at the time with all that buildup, like strange choice.

54:09.61
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

54:16.02
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. People are still mad about it 25 years later, apparently.

54:19.26
Aaron
but

54:20.06
Bradley Palermo
But, I mean, they did let Austin walk away. hit is he hit he lost, then he hits a stunner. Then he goes he walks away with his music playing. So, Triple H wins, but Austin walks out on his feet.

54:29.27
Aaron
Yeah.

54:32.03
Bradley Palermo
So, I i mean, I don't know. I mean, that kind of gives both people... it was just a solid match. it was It was just kind of one of those bangers where you could... put it, it's not about who wins.

54:40.49
Bradley Palermo
It's about, I watched this fucking display.

54:42.97
Aaron
Yeah.

54:42.25
Bradley Palermo
Like this shit's crazy.

54:43.93
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

54:44.62
Aaron
And neither of them were the champion at the time too. So kind of like, you know, it's fine that they, that they did what they did, but Hey, wrestling fans have strong opinions. So you got to,

54:55.35
Bradley Palermo
They do.

54:56.36
Aaron
Gotta respect it.

54:56.38
Bradley Palermo
They love to call us out when we're wrong, which we don't mind.

54:59.93
Aaron
I'm wrong all the time, dude.

54:59.21
Bradley Palermo
And they love to

55:01.06
Aaron
I don't even remember what I had for lunch like two days ago, so I'm not going remember all these wrestling facts. I need people to tell me I'm wrong.

55:06.33
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, of course.

55:07.90
Aaron
That's how I learn.

55:08.85
Bradley Palermo
It's amazing how some of these fans, it's like, why don't you guys have a podcast? You guys know every fucking thing, every goddamn thing. um

55:17.16
Bradley Palermo
So this pay-per-view, watching this pay-per-view is your call, Aaron. So that makes the next one mine. And we like to pick timely pay-per-views or at least pay-per-views that happened in in a similar month that we happen to be in.

55:30.85
Bradley Palermo
We've been hanging out in WWF, WWE w for a while.

55:35.06
Bradley Palermo
I'm thinking let's take it back to ECW.

55:38.21
Aaron
Ooh. oh

55:39.42
Bradley Palermo
Let's go to, um let's see. ECW. ECW. There was a pay-per-view, think in the nineties, that was in February.

55:48.74
Bradley Palermo
that was exclusively online called Cyberslam ECW Cyberslam 1996 1996 there is looks like

56:02.85
Bradley Palermo
Raven versus the Sandman. Shane Douglas versus Cactus Jack. Too Cold Scorpio fought Sabu. Francine and the Pitfalls versus Stevie Richard and the Eliminators.

56:15.31
Bradley Palermo
JT Smith versus Axl Rotten. he got Bubba Ray Dudley versus Mr. Hughes, Taz versus Joel Hartgood. Got some interesting shit on there. And we haven't been in ECW in a while. We're probably going to have to pirate this one.

56:30.46
Bradley Palermo
but But you and I know how to do that just fine, I think. So so let's go ecw Cyber Slam about that?

56:38.66
Aaron
Sounds like a plan.

56:38.11
Bradley Palermo
about that

56:39.61
Aaron
Yeah, let's do it.

56:41.50
Bradley Palermo
All right, that's all the time we got for this episode. We'll be back at you as soon as we possibly can. Don't forget to call and leave us a promo on that 626-657-SLAM number.

56:51.57
Bradley Palermo
And we will make sure we we report back on how much fun we had watching AEW Dynamite live and in person this week.

57:00.71
Aaron
Catch you the cheap seats. Adios.