Ep 238: Unmasked Unfiltered Unapologetic with Bali Lerner and guest Lenny Gold on hmTv

Ep 238: Unmasked, Unfiltered, Unapologetic with Bali Lerner and guest Lenny Gold on hmTv

In this powerful episode, Bali Lerner sits down with Lenny Gold, executive producer of the documentary Blind Spot, to explore the rise of antisemitism on campuses and the courageous voices determined to confront it. From his personal journey rooted in family, loss, and connection to Israel, to his son’s experience standing up against bias in the classroom, Lenny shares the inspiration behind the film and the ripple effect it seeks to create. Together, they discuss the dangers of indifference, the responsibility to be upstanders, and the role of truth, music, and community in the fight against hate.

Transcript

 Hello and thank you for joining me
 today. I'm your host Bali Learner on
 Unmasked, Unfiltered, and Unapologetic
 on HMTV. I'm here today with my
 wonderful guest, Lenny Gold, executive
 producer of The Blind Spot. Welcome,
 Lenny. So happy to have you here today.
 Great to be here. So, Lenny, before we
 jump in and discuss this incredible
 movie, Blind Spot, I'd like to know a
 little bit about a little background
 about you and uh a little history about
 yourself if you can share with us,
 please.
 Okay. So, I got to try to do it without
 getting emotional.
 Okay.
 And um and we'll we'll we'll give it a
 try. So, I you know, I grew up in a
 pretty traditional common conservative
 Jud Jewish home neighborhood in
 Farakawway, Queens. Um,
 being Jewish was just like part of
 everyday life. It wasn't something I
 gave much thought about. I knew my
 family's background. I knew my father's
 family came from Lithuania. My mother's
 family came from Russia. Father's family
 came 1920. Mother's family was here
 longer.
 And um
 I grew up with all Jewish friends. Uh
 there was a Catholic community in Far
 Rockway, but for the most part the
 Catholic children went to parochial
 schools. So we didn't have much
 interaction with them. Uh we did have
 interaction with black students. So it
 was basically Jews and blacks all the
 way through. I went to University of
 Pennsylvania. I went to NYU School of
 Law. Uh began a law career. Uh in 1981,
 I befriended an Israeli uh young man who
 was my age. Um, and in June of 82, uh, I
 found out that he was killed serving in
 his Galani Brigade unit in Lebanon.
 I'm so sorry.
 And it changed my life. Uh, I, you know,
 obviously didn't see it coming and, uh,
 so the two feelings that hit me right
 away were obviously grief and two was
 that could have been me.
 If my grandparents had stayed in Europe
 like his parents did and his
 grandparents did, they could have ended
 up in Israel. That could have been me,
 same age.
 So, it started me on an odyssey that
 made me realize how connected we all are
 as Jews and how connected Jews are to
 the state of Israel even if we are not
 Israeli. Uh, I became close with his
 parents, his siblings, uh, their
 families. Um, and basically we adopted
 each other. We became beautiful family.
 And of, and then I I had my own family
 in Israel that I got to know. And uh
 fast forward to getting married and
 having children, I vowed to myself that
 if I ever had a a son, I would name him
 for my friend, and I did.
 Wow, that's incredible.
 I did. Uh, in fact, we have twin sons,
 and they're kind of both named for him
 because the other guy is one Hebrew
 letter removed from, um, Elon. So, uh,
 then fast forward a little longer, a
 little further. Um Elon ended up at uh
 Friend Seminary, the Quaker School of
 Manhattan. Uh great reputation, been
 around a long time.
 This is one of your sons.
 Yes. That ended up
 there. One was named for my friend.
 Y
 and um when he was in he started there
 in sixth grade. When he was in eighth
 grade, uh a friend of mine whose son was
 in the same class says, "Hey, I heard
 your kid gave it to Josh Silver in
 history class." I said, "What are you
 talking about?" He said, 'Well, Josh
 compared Israel's treatment of
 Palestinians to the Nazis treatment of
 Jews, and your son was the only kid who
 raised his hand and challenged him. Now,
 there the school was about a third
 Jewish. So, if there were 21 kids in the
 class, you figure there were seven Jews.
 My son was the only one who challenged
 him.
 Lenny, what year was this?
 2009.
 2009.
 2008 09 school year. So, it might have
 been 08. And that started uh us on a
 odyssey of discovering what was really
 going on in that school. And uh my
 friend and I and other concerned Jewish
 parents got together and went to the
 school, went to the ADL, went to the A.
 The A turned out was already talking to
 the school at the school's behest
 because of some things that had
 happened. And apparently the school
 didn't tell the whole story to the A.
 when we came along um the AGC said oh
 that's what's happening
 you know it's interesting like what what
 I'm hearing from you this is going back
 2008 2009 and now with the rise of
 anti-semitism and everything that is
 happening in the world today um the
 students it goes either way you know
 again some students will speak out and a
 lot of students are scared to speak out
 they're scared to speak out because of
 in the classroom maybe not only maybe
 they'll be treated differently from
 their peers
 But some of them are also scared to
 speak out because they're worried that
 perhaps their grades or their work will
 be affected negatively as well. And
 we're seeing that not only in every
 level of K through 12, but we're also
 seeing that in college college as well.
 And um unfortunately um I I do want to
 thank you um because your movie is and
 we'll get into it a little bit further
 obviously, but is a real inspiration
 um and an real inspiration for your son,
 which is I think where we're we're
 heading here. um to the the impact that
 one voice can really make and and the
 importance of standing up because how
 wonderful that your son stood up and I
 think we'll get into what that trickled
 into but wouldn't it have been wonderful
 if more voices and more people stood up
 and
 yeah absolutely I mean uh you you know
 you hit on a lot of really important
 points there and they're and they're in
 the film too um but getting back to my
 son uh yes he exhibited tremendous
 courage for doing what he did. And that
 wasn't the last time he did something
 like that. But it did take it took a
 toll. It took a toll on him. It took a
 toll on us as a family. And one of the
 reasons I made the film was uh to try to
 spare other families the trauma that we
 experienced by arming them with
 information and inspiration
 uh to do what needs to be done to combat
 this the the ignorance and the hatred
 and the hypocrisy that permeates this
 phenomenon that we're seeing K through
 12 and in higher ed. you know, in in
 blind spot, we see we see uh one of the
 students, Yasmina Hepsian, saying that
 when she first encountered a professor
 doing what Josh Silver did at Friend
 Seminary, she couldn't muster up the
 courage to say something. And she talks
 about how she connected with a friend of
 hers who was in the class who's also in
 the film. he was speaking out and so
 they joined together with one other
 student and they um you know they
 started a movement at Tulain. Um but you
 also see in the film uh concerns about
 repercussions for speaking out
 and uh and and so when people see blind
 spot it is important for them to realize
 that number one these are all
 undergraduates many of them away from
 home for the first time. They didn't
 sign up to be warriors for the Jewish
 people. They signed up for an education,
 right?
 And then they were confronted maybe for
 the first time in their lives with this
 type of hatred and then the indifference
 of the school officials and the teachers
 and the administration officials who uh
 reacted with indifference at best to
 these complaints from students who did
 the right thing. They went to the proper
 channels. They went to the people who
 were entrusted to protect them or so
 they thought and then uh they found that
 uh this problem went deeper than just
 the the teacher who was uh committing
 the acts in question. And so, you know,
 we show how these students were able to
 obtain help from other sources, from
 outside sources like attorneys, like
 journalists. And um
 I think that's a very important really
 most important piece you know for
 students and for adults as well to walk
 away with to understand that you have
 certain rights you know and you have um
 resources and people behind you that
 will support you and that no one you
 know should be treated this way. If we
 take the word anti-semitism if we take
 the word Jews when it's used negatively
 um you know the hatred of Jews if you
 replace them with any other group they
 would not be allowed. So why should it
 be allowed when you know against Jews?
 Obviously it shouldn't. But
 unfortunately um because there the other
 side is so loud and um they're so loud
 in spreading their propaganda and lies
 and hatred. It is very intimidating. So
 I think that to me a huge walk away from
 the film is making students and adults
 both understand there are resources and
 people to help you so that you can speak
 up and you don't have to do this alone.
 And it is so important to do so because
 you know if you're silent that means
 somebody else is also silent and that
 means somebody is getting away with uh
 with the lies and the propaganda and
 really spreading hate which is not
 beneficial to society to anyone in our
 society. So um you're you started this
 really because of a personal mission
 really and and I believe that you know
 it's basher I mean listen when you when
 you think that your son was named after
 your good friend who really was the one
 the drive behind you connecting to your
 Judaism it it kind of came full circle.
 What what I find um really especially
 interesting is that you started this you
 know this was way before 107 and I think
 that um at the Holocaust Memorial
 Intolerance Center we often show a lot
 of films powerful films about college
 anti-semitism and we try to educate and
 enrich and explain to people what's
 really happening on these college
 campuses and also the administrators
 that are helping the cause and those
 that are doing the right thing because
 you have a mix Um, but a lot of these
 films are really in a post 107 world. So
 the truth is it didn't start in 107,
 right? The other side just got louder
 and they somehow feel um emboldened, you
 know, and they feel that they can say
 whatever they want without any
 punishment even if what they're saying
 is not accurate. So I think what's very
 interesting and I'd love to hear a
 little bit more about it is about the
 the journey of the movie is you really
 go into this issue of anti-semitism on
 campuses pre107
 through after 107. So can you talk a
 little bit about that journey and that
 process?
 Yeah sure. And you know the the double
 standards that you referred to are why
 we named the film blind spot. um because
 there is a blind spot towards Jews and
 that's what we're up against here. And
 of course, the Civil Rights Act of 1964
 uh doesn't discriminate between one
 group or another. Jews are protected
 just like every other protected group
 and we're entitled to the same rights
 and the same forcement of the law. The
 journey um
 evolved over time, but the one constant
 was we knew that there was a serious
 problem. It wasn't being reported in the
 mainstream media and most Americans,
 including most Jews, didn't know about
 it. So we decided this was a serious
 enough problem to merit a film uh to
 educate people because if you don't know
 you you're not even going to be aware
 that there is a problem that you should
 be standing up against. Um we were
 almost done filming by October 7th. We
 had just finished an interview in less
 than 3 weeks before October 7th. We
 still had a couple more scheduled. So
 obviously uh we had to take stock and
 pivot once October 7th happened. But by
 that time we had already interviewed so
 many students and Richie Torres and Dion
 Pierre the reporter for the Algam Miner
 and Tanya Tetlo the amazing president of
 Forom University who is a school
 administrator who is doing the right
 thing by placing emphasis on education
 about the truth about Jewish history and
 Jewish religion and Jewish culture and
 the state of Israel. They have one of
 the best Jewish studies departments in
 the country at Florida University.
 I applaud them for for doing this and
 everybody should be. But
 yes, and so we wanted to include them
 because they serve as a model for what
 other schools can and should do. You
 don't have to be a Jesuit or a Catholic
 or a religious school to be values-based
 in your um approach to education.
 Just human.
 Just humanity. Just human. and just be
 committed to um the truth, you know, and
 having open dialogue in a civil and
 respectful way. You know, if the
 anti-Israel
 students and faculty had been voicing
 their opinions in a civil manner all
 those years, we wouldn't have made the
 film. It wasn't what they were saying as
 much as how they were expressing
 themselves. And in the film, we have
 lawyers explaining the difference in
 legal terms between speech and conduct.
 And while speech might be protected
 under the First Amendment, the
 consequences of the speech, if you're
 inciting violence, that's not protected,
 which we saw across so many campuses
 after after October. And if you're
 preventing other students from entering
 classrooms and entering buildings and
 getting the education that they are
 there to get, that's also against the
 law. So, it's important for people to
 realize it because um one of the things
 we want to achieve with blind spot is to
 give people the tools that they need to
 take the appropriate action. It's just
 like after 9/11, we all remember the
 expression, if you see something, say
 something.
 Correct.
 Well, it's the same here, you know. Um,
 we are a democracy. We have elected
 officials who are accountable to us as
 voters. Um, contact them. Contact
 uh schoolboard officials, school
 officials, the media, write op ads, join
 social media groups that uh have this
 issue as their central concern like
 mothers against college anti-semitism
 on Facebook. They have over 60,000
 members,
 right? We work very closely with mothers
 against college anti-semitism and they
 have been an incredible tool for people
 to come together not only of Jewish
 backgrounds but of all backgrounds and
 because again we are and I can say you
 know as as parents you know we could be
 completely different we can have uh our
 backgrounds can be different our
 religion everything could be different
 about us but when you're a parent you're
 a parent right so um I I'm so grateful
 I'm I'm so
 um saddened that your son went through
 what he went through, but I'm grateful
 that you took it upon yourself to to
 really have such an impact based on his
 experience and the hope that others, you
 know, would be in a better situation
 that the school would change and and you
 know, not even just that school, but the
 changes would occur because once I think
 the bigger picture is once one academic
 institution is aware that they can't get
 away with it, then the others will
 follow. So that that's really there's a
 ripple effect here and I think that
 blind spot is really all about that.
 It's it's the ripple effect like the
 students that you have speaking. I'm
 truly so excited to have Sabrina Sofur
 join us uh on the panel um Wednesday
 night after the movie and she she is
 such an inspiration. I don't know if you
 you want to speak a little bit about
 about her role in the movie and and your
 working relationship with her.
 Yeah, sure. Um, Sabrina of course just
 graduated in spring of 2025 from George
 Washington University.
 We knew about her through the reporting
 of Dion Pierre from the Algam Miner who
 is in the film. He's an extraordinary
 He's one of five extraordinary
 non-Jewish allies who are in Blind Spot.
 Um, the other four being Tanya Tetlo of
 Forom, Richie Torres, a congressman from
 the Bronx. Um,
 Carly Gaml, the attorney for Stand with
 Us, and an extraordinary student from
 Tulain named Rayl Green.
 Amazing.
 Um, and I'm not going to say anything
 more because I don't want to spoil
 anything, but they are each
 extraordinary in their own way and
 they're they each come from a a
 different walk of life. Um, but Sabrina
 uh was already a campus leader in the
 fight against anti-semitism at GW, which
 was pretty bad. uh when she was only a
 sophomore and we in you'll see in blind
 spot uh you know footage of the
 interview we conducted with her when she
 was a sophomore
 and then she reappears in the film
 several times after including post
 tense.
 I I can't wait to have her actually
 she's going to be joining us in a
 joining me on a podcast on Wednesday
 before the theater. So um I'm really
 excited to have her speak at the panel
 and and join us here as well. So on on a
 different note, um obviously as an the
 executive producer, you know, you you
 had the interviews, you you decided you
 made a decision that definitely very
 purposefully to have the students be the
 stars of the show. You have politicians
 and you have other people there and and
 involved and but certainly the students
 were or the voice of the movie. Um
 something else that really sticks out in
 the movie is is the music. Uh and can
 you can you tell us a little bit about
 that? Okay, let me
 and I see you're getting emotional
 again. So, I'm sorry that I don't know
 if I should be apologizing.
 Ungrateful to be honest. This is my
 first podcast on mass unfiltered and
 unapologetic and and I think there is a
 reason, you know, after you and I spoke.
 Um you you really I feel like you you
 are exactly the title of this podcast.
 Um you are all about being unmasked,
 unfiltered, and unapologetic and and and
 true to the cause. and and you've you've
 done such an incredible job. So, I know
 this is an emotional conversation we're
 having. Uh this is this is your baby and
 there there's so much of you is is in
 this and and what you're fighting for.
 So, so but I think that music always
 touches our soul.
 Well, the mu music has been an important
 part of my life for all of my life. I
 started playing the piano at seven and
 I, you know, shifted over to from
 classical to jazz as a teenager and so
 jazz is my first love in music and but
 it's not my only love of music and I was
 committed to having a great soundtrack
 in this film uh if possible to help tell
 the story and advance the story. So in
 the film and I would recommend that if
 people watch it at home you watch it on
 your best sound system um because we
 have everything from Shopan to Israeli
 pop to canal to jazz to Dr. Seuss to
 Klesmer
 and
 um I'll just tell a quick story about
 the Dr. Seuss song because it has no
 apparent direct connection with with Jew
 with the Jewish people. Dr. Seuss was
 not Jewish and the performers on this uh
 recording are not Jewish. But the song
 is an anti-bullying song that Dr. Seuss
 wrote in the late 50s. And I think it
 was for some kind of movie project that
 may or may not have ever been produced,
 but it's an anti-bullying song. It's
 called Just Because We're Kids.
 And of course, in that way, it's all
 about what Blind Spot is about.
 So powerful.
 And um the the the vocalist on that
 recording, D. Bell, who is not Jewish,
 gave us the license to use the recording
 at no charge because she supported what
 we were trying to do and how we were
 going to use the song. So
 that's incredible. And you know, that
 that's that's what this is all about.
 But at the end of the day, uh we're
 we're we're fighting an uphill sometimes
 feels like an uphill battle, uh fighting
 anti-semitism, fighting, you know, the
 the propaganda and and this horrible
 some of the horrific um misuse of even
 Holocaust terms, right, that's being
 used against us, weaponized against the
 Jewish people. Um but then on the flip
 side you know along this journey I
 personally have found and you certainly
 have found uh the beauty in humanity you
 know that has really come forward and
 and what a what an incredible
 incredible proof of that you know the
 fact that you were able to use this
 music and and add that into this
 powerful film is
 well without spoiling anything um the
 there was an intent to display both
 visual and musical beauty be in at least
 one of the
 uh cuts of music in the film. I'll leave
 it at that. Um but we again we're very
 proud of the music. My father was a an
 accomplished Klesmer clarinetist and uh
 his music plays over the closing
 credits. So I urge people when you watch
 the film watch it to the very end. Uh my
 father is accompanied by the great
 pianist Lee Musicer uh who was Tony
 Bennett's musical director. um toward to
 to the end and he was featured on the
 CBS uh program that was recorded at
 Radio City with Lady Gaga. Um so that
 was my father with Lee and my father's
 lifetime friend, lifelong friend Donnie
 Robbins on trumpet uh with uh
 compositions that I think most Jewish
 people will recognize. Um and in between
 um you know uh I think people are going
 to be surprised in some places we have
 amazing cantoral music from Natanal
 Hurstik the caner at the Hampton
 Synagogue in West Hampton Beach who has
 become a friend and he's one of the
 world's leading caners and his father
 Navali Hurstik. They're both Israeli and
 Niftali just passed away a year ago and
 Natan was intimately involved in the
 selection of the recordings and where
 they play in the film and he's thrilled
 which thrills me but I'm also thrilled
 because those two segments which play
 backtoback are the ones that still get
 me emotional when I see the film and
 I've seen it 30 times.
 Right. I'm sure. Well, I I'm looking
 forward I have watched it but like you
 said you can every time you watch it you
 pick up something new each time. Um, I'm
 excited that we are hosting it at
 Manhasset Cinemas on Wednesday at 6:30
 PM this Wednesday. And, uh, we have
 quite an incredible lineup for a panel
 discussion afterwards, which you will be
 moderating along with legislator Mazi
 Pilip. We have an, uh, legislator,
 Israeli, um, we have an Israeli diplomat
 joining us as well, as well as one of
 your lead stars, Sabrina. And I think
 that conversation is is going to be a
 real eye openener for for many of our
 audience members and I'm really looking
 forward to it. Any final words before
 before we sign off?
 Well, I gave I gave my father a plug, so
 now I'm going to give my mother a plug
 and it ties in with uh the conversation
 we're going to have at Q&A. One of my
 mother's favorite expressions was God
 helps those who help themselves. And
 that is one of the two overarching
 messages of blind spot. the other being
 beware of the evil of indifference. And
 of course, we're going to have Yvaldonio
 Gideon at the panel and I'm thrilled
 about that. He and I have had several
 deep conversations and in one of them,
 you know, I told him that uh I'm glad to
 to finally see American Jews waking up
 to the need that really it's a need
 to stand up for ourselves and not rely
 on others to come to the rescue, whether
 they're legacy Jewish organizations or
 non-Jews. we have to stand up for
 ourselves and I think blind spot shows
 that when we do that others will come to
 our aid and uh he said well yeah great
 is something to the effect of yeah great
 I mean Israelis have known this from day
 one we have to stand up for ourselves
 so um I'm looking forward to and and
 it's great that we're going to have
 youall's perspective because he can also
 recite chapter and verse all the facts
 and figures that refute all of the myth
 myths and lies that are constantly being
 thrown at not just Israelis, but Jews.
 Let's face it, we're talking about Jew
 hatred here. This is not, you know, just
 directed towards changing who the prime
 minister of Israel is. Exactly. You
 know, when people criticize the
 president of the United States, no
 matter who he is, they're not calling
 for the liquidation of the United
 States, they're just calling for a
 different president.
 Exactly. And that's the difference
 between the protests here and the
 protests in Israel. In Israel, where
 half the people want a change in the
 government, they don't want the state
 itself to go into the sea. They just
 want a different prime minister. But
 that's not what we're seeing here. When
 when people are yelling from the river
 to the sea, Palestine will be free,
 they're saying Palestine will be free of
 Jews. Global.
 Exactly. And I think I think you hit
 such an important point where people are
 um really just using you know using and
 taking advantage of of what's happening
 you know within the is Israeli society
 and they're using it to their benefit
 and to basically their to fuel their
 hatred of Jews and and that's the bottom
 line like here we that's the beauty
 actually of being part of a democratic
 country right so Israel is a democratic
 country and they share our same western
 values and so when you are in a
 democratic country yes you have people
 that have mixed views about the
 government and that's fine but again
 does not give you the right to say that
 you want a whole country erased and a
 whole group of people erased and that's
 what's happening today we see that sadly
 uh more and more today
 yes yes
 and and I I definitely am going to use
 your mom's uh two lines those two quotes
 I will give her credit for it. Um, but I
 think that's really a message for all of
 us. We have to stand up for ourselves
 because it's not going away. If we
 learned anything, what we do here at the
 Holocaust Memorial Tolerance Center is
 that you cannot turn away. You know, you
 cannot pretend it's not going to happen.
 You cannot think that if you're nice to
 the other side, maybe they'll be nice as
 well. At the end of the day, we have to
 stand up for ourselves. And like you
 said, once we do, then only then, you
 know, do we have the right to expect
 others to stand up with us.
 Yes. We well, we not only have the
 right, we we will it will happen.
 That's, you know, that's something that
 I have a lot of faith in because history
 has proven that when we do stand up for
 ourselves, we will have help. Um, and
 you know, as far as the evil of
 indifference goes, it ties in with
 standing up for ourselves because if we
 are indifferent, we can't expect others
 to not be indifferent. But the way to
 fight it is to stand up to it, is to
 shine light on it. The only way that
 these lies and hypocrisies and this
 hatred thrives is in the darkness of
 ignorance. When you shine the light of
 truth on what these people are saying,
 they wither,
 right?
 They wither. And that's how it has to be
 fought. And we really at this point
 don't have a choice in terms of the
 future of the Jewish people, our
 children, our grandchildren.
 And that is what we're doing here at
 HMTC. We educate so that so students of
 all backgrounds have the information,
 not only so that they know right from
 wrong, but that they can then share
 that. And we teach au we teach the
 students and and adults as well. You
 have to be an upstander. The days of
 being a bystander. You can't no one can
 afford to be a bystander today. You have
 to be an upstander. You have to speak
 up. And I'm not you know we always say
 somebody that's going towards you with
 hate and visceral like no you you may it
 may be too much to go against someone
 like that. But there there are other
 people that are in the middle that are
 in between that are not sure that are
 slightly misinformed. Start that
 conversation. And everyone has the power
 to make a change. You know, you can just
 from a conversation with one student to
 another at lunchtime or your student,
 for example, that you know, didn't know
 how or or didn't was was uncomfortable
 to speak up when something was happening
 in her classroom, but she ended up
 working with another student and found
 the power of working together with
 someone else and then was able to make a
 difference. So we all have the power to
 make a difference.
 Yes.
 To speak up, to reach out to our elected
 officials, to educate others, to become
 more educated ourselves because, you
 know, there are plenty of people
 including Jews that may not have all the
 facts. But come reach out. I'm happy to
 connect you with people. you know,
 anyone that comes to me, I'll say, I'm
 happy to not only give you a tour of our
 center, but to connect you with
 educators that can give you more
 information and so you can arm yourself
 and be knowledgeable. And I appreciate
 that. You know, this this movie really
 sheds light on the current situation and
 and again, um it's so impactful and I'm
 really looking forward to hearing more
 about with what you have to share along
 with our panel on Wednesday evening.
 Thanks. I'll just leave you with with
 this. That student who couldn't muster
 up the courage to stand up to her
 professor in 2023
 ended up testifying quite powerfully and
 forcefully and impactfully before the
 House Education and Workforce Committee
 only a year later. And that footage is
 in the film. And I'll leave you with
 this because you mentioned standing up
 for what's right. You and I talked about
 my late uh law school classmate Lou
 Fidler who spent who uh was elected to
 the New York City Council three
 consecutive terms and he had an
 expression that I will never forget and
 it's on the last frame of blind spot.
 When you do the right thing, you can
 never go wrong.
 That's incredible. That's so well said
 and words that I like to live by because
 again the title here you unapologetic.
 It's true. If you have the truth behind
 you and if you stick with the facts and
 you're honest and truthful, you can't go
 wrong. And even at times where it seems
 a little rocky, um, which it does for us
 at times at the end, we we will prevail.
 Lightness over dark always, um,
 sometimes it's hard to see that, but I
 believe I truly truly do believe in
 that. So, thank you so much for joining
 us here today. Um, I appreciate all of
 you tuning in to Unmasked, Unfiltered,
 Unapologetic, and I'm very grateful for
 Lenny Gold, executive producer. Um, you
 can check out his movie at
 blindspotmov.com
 and join us this Wednesday evening at
 Manhasset Cinemas.