Tails of Truth: The Truth about Veterinary Medicine

From Our Inbox: Questions from Dog Parents

• Dr. Angie Krause, DVM CVA CCRT • Episode 17

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In this heartfelt and information-packed episode of Tails of Truth, Dr. Angie Krause and co-host JoJo respond to listener questions on everything from vet visit anxiety to separation anxiety, colitis, and navigating alternative veterinary treatments. They explore the challenges of managing anxious dogs, especially those who require chemical restraint, and discuss how holistic and pharmaceutical interventions can coexist. The episode closes with a candid discussion about vaccine hesitancy, integrative care access, and how pet parents can confidently advocate for their animal companions.

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 🎯 Key Takeaways 

  • Chemical restraint can provide safe and smooth visits for anxious dogs.
  • Separation anxiety is diffcult, especially in pandemic-era puppies. Medications can help calm the nervous system and support training success.
  • Colitis and chronic diarrhea most often require deeper diagnostics.
  • Dogs who growl or bark are telling us they’re scared — and that’s something to respect, not suppress.
  • Alternative therapies are valid but often dismissed due to lack of vet training.
  • Vaccine protocols should be tailored and discussed 
  • Holistic medicine is gaining traction, with herbs like Yunnan Baiyao now found in mainstream hospitals.
  • Telehealth consultations give pet parents access to integrative care no matter where they live.

 🔊 Sound Bites

 "Let your dog growl. Please. That's how they keep us safe." – Dr. Angie 

" We're asking dogs to do hard things, and it's okay to support them with medication." - Dr. Angie 

"I owe so many clinics cookies and bagels and apologies." -JoJo

"Stack your care. Do all the things while they're sedated. Get it all done." - JoJo

"It's not all quackery, but some of it is.I help people figure out the difference."      Dr. Angie

"You have a right to advocate for what you want for your pet." - JoJo

Please subscribe and review! xoxo Dr. Angie & JoJo


Dr. Angie Krause (00:01.356)
Welcome back to Tails of Truth where we tell the truth about veterinary medicine. I'm Dr. Angie and this is my co-host JoJo veterinary nurse extraordinaire. It is early in the morning. We are recording before the kids wake up because it is summertime and we are going to take questions from our listeners.

JoJo (00:08.986)
Morning.

JoJo (00:21.57)
Yeah, this is fun. We had some cat heavy episodes where we did IBD and kidney disease. And so I reached out to our dog listeners and said, what do you want us to talk about? And this is what they want to talk.

Dr. Angie Krause (00:36.162)
Give the dogs some love.

JoJo (00:38.402)
Yeah, I love the dogs. You love the dogs. You just don't live with any dogs.

Dr. Angie Krause (00:41.388)
Me too. I do love the dogs. Not right now, but can I tell you really quick before we get started? I am really lusting over King Charles Spaniels.

JoJo (00:45.934)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

JoJo (00:54.808)
Yeah, because they're so cute.

Dr. Angie Krause (00:57.55)
I think they're perfect. I wonder if I am no longer a pug person because I think I've made peace that I'm never going to buy a pug. I don't think that we should be breeding pugs. I don't know if I'm going to find one that a rescue that will be right. I don't know.

JoJo (01:02.925)
JoJo (01:10.862)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Angie Krause (01:20.812)
I just lust over them. The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. Everyone go Google that and tell me how cute they are. Right? I feel like. Yeah. So that's my new dream dog. won't, my kids have to be much older and I would have to be in a different situation. But anyways, so maybe I'll be like a cavy person.

JoJo (01:22.745)
Yeah.

JoJo (01:28.922)
wanna see how that would fit into your life. I'm for that.

JoJo (01:42.081)
well I'll throw something else in there. You know how they say pet parents look like their pets? You totally have that kind of look. Yeah, totally. I'm like, I hope this is okay to say. Yeah, like hair, like golden hair. Golden hair, yeah. Okay.

Dr. Angie Krause (01:48.376)
Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (01:52.184)
Do I look like a cavi? Because they are so amazing. Yes. Well, their ears make them look like they have hair like mine. Yeah. Yes, they're so gorgeous. Okay. Anyways, tell me all these questions. Because you had to know this about me. You didn't know that I am now a cavalier person. So, yes. I do.

JoJo (02:15.514)
Okay, well now I know. And now you know you look like one. Okay, okay. Well, first question is from Jillian. Jillian would love to hear more about how to support dogs who have a very difficult time at the vet due to behavior and big feelings. She wants to know should safe situational drugs be used and are there some that are better than others? Because she has two of these dogs.

And anytime she has to bring them to the vet, she's up all night worrying and usually comes home feeling like the visit went terrible and she put the whole office through something hard.

Dr. Angie Krause (02:54.062)
okay. Yeah. These are your dogs. Yeah, this is you. Well, first I...

JoJo (02:55.17)
I know I can relate to this on such a big level. Yeah, these are my dogs, 100%. I owe so many clinics cookies and bagels. Apologies.

Dr. Angie Krause (03:08.45)
Totally. Well, first of all, I just want to say there's so many dogs like this out there. There's not a day in practice that goes by where I don't have a dog like this, like a dog that's reactive. Sometimes they're just aggressive. Like sometimes it's dominance aggression. Sometimes it's fear aggression. It's all the aggressions and it's okay. are not veterinary professionals for the most part are okay with this. We have a lot of compassion.

JoJo (03:19.45)
Hmm.

Dr. Angie Krause (03:38.11)
your dog and for you. It's kind of it's, it's the worst. So yes, on the drugs, chemical restraint is so great. And I like to use it the night before and the morning of. And so we call it hangover sedation. And it works really, really well. And so there are ways that we can make these visits go much more smoothly.

JoJo (03:40.948)
we know it's stressful for you. Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (04:06.438)
And my favorite cocktail is Clonidine, Trazodone, and Gabapentin. And that sounds like a lot. Like the first time I prescribe that, people are like, whoa, this, don't want my dog to be fully sedate. And I'm like, trust me, it's going to be really hard to get your dog fully sedate without injectable sedation. And so for the most part, you don't need to worry that we're going to like,

JoJo (04:24.11)
Hahaha

Dr. Angie Krause (04:32.672)
Sedate your dog too much or that they're going to die. I've had some people say like, could my dog just die from all these? No, your dog's not. Your dog's not going to die from these types of sedations, especially when we use multiple drugs, we're hitting different receptors. So we actually get to use lower doses. And so coming from a holistic veterinarian, when people look at me and they're like, okay, so you want me to give all three of these. Is this, yeah, that's scary. Trust me. None of them are.

JoJo (04:57.144)
It is scary.

Dr. Angie Krause (05:02.414)
You know, they're all pretty lightweight. lot of veterinarians just use trazodone and that is a wet towel. Just gabapentin also wet towel. Now, if your dog just has some mild anxiety, trazodone, fine, gabapentin fine. But if your dog needs to be muzzled is really reactive, it's not going to do it. And then you're just going to be frustrated. So just, just start with more than trazodone. It's just not, I don't, I don't know. get irritated.

JoJo (05:09.006)
or just gabapentin.

Dr. Angie Krause (05:32.206)
when I see that and they're like, well the trazodone just doesn't work. And I'm like, yeah, because it's just one agent by itself.

JoJo (05:38.498)
Yeah, or the gabapentin, which I'm using to treat arthritis anyhow. I'm like, he's like barely, barely, barely sleepy.

Dr. Angie Krause (05:46.614)
I know. And I'm a person that takes like half of an Advil and I'm always the veterinarian that will start in the lower, you know, realm of my dosage range. And, for this kind of stuff, I don't do that. I don't, I started in the middle with three different drugs and it's just, I mean, you and I have done this so many times. Remember when we first started using chemical sedation more and we'd like, let's just try the Trasadone.

JoJo (06:00.655)
Yeah.

JoJo (06:13.498)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Angie Krause (06:13.506)
And then we would drive out to someone's house and the dog was like, yeah, you're not touching me. And they're like.

JoJo (06:18.51)
Well, because we saw probably more than the average of aggressive dogs because we were a house call practice. So these are the people who I can't take exactly what you're talking about, Jillian, where can't take their dog to the vet because it's just so stressful. So house call vets actually can be a win in this area because some dogs do so much better in their home, but I will also notate there are some dogs who actually do worse in the home. And yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (06:23.394)
Yes. Yes.

Dr. Angie Krause (06:36.472)
Yes.

Dr. Angie Krause (06:45.186)
do worse. Yes, some do worse. Yeah. And then we would be like, okay, well, let's add some gabapentin And then we would come back. Still not good. Let's add some clonidine better. And then we were like, let's, you know, up the dosage of all those. And then that's the sweet spot. So I just go to that because we have spent so much of other people's time and money, and our time too, where you just, it's not going to work. If your dog's really reactive, trazodone alone is not going to work. And it's not your dog's fault.

They're so, you know, amped up that they just eat through it all. And then they, yes. Yeah.

JoJo (07:19.586)
Right, they just burn through it, right? In and out. Yes. Okay, so chemical restraint is something that you recommend. Can I throw a couple pointers in there too that have really been helpful? Because I deal with this myself. I call the clinic now ahead of time and let them know when Bodhi is arriving and have them clear.

Dr. Angie Krause (07:30.018)
Gas. Gas.

JoJo (07:41.807)
the lobby for us so we can walk straight to a room because the less interaction that he has and the less sitting in that waiting room he has with the clinic cat that shows up or the, you know, or somebody else's dog that would assume he's fair to greet, let's get straight to an exam room. It just makes that better.

Dr. Angie Krause (07:52.557)
Yes.

Dr. Angie Krause (08:02.446)
Absolutely. Yeah, some dogs are so aggressive in the clinic that we will sedate them in the parking lot with an IM, so an intramuscular injection. And that's okay, That's okay. We will sedate them in your car, and then you will bring them in asleep. And some dogs get all of their veterinary care that way.

JoJo (08:14.307)
Mm-hmm.

JoJo (08:21.166)
Mm-hmm.

JoJo (08:26.713)
Yep.

Dr. Angie Krause (08:30.624)
It is safe. It's okay. And actually it's way easier on your dog. A lot of people are like, I don't want to put them through that. But putting them through fear is, you know, a really scary situation. And those drugs, I hope this doesn't make me sound like a drug addict, but the more like procedures I've had in my life, like endoscopies and any type of sedation, they feel really good. Like, you know, there's a little narcotic in there. There, you know, it's, it's a benzodiazepine It's nice. Like,

JoJo (08:53.263)
Mm-hmm.

JoJo (08:59.543)
That's so fun.

Dr. Angie Krause (08:59.584)
It's okay. Your dog's having a much better day. Just let it happen. And so if...

JoJo (09:05.174)
That's true. Well, and your dog is feeding off of your stress too. I really believe this is true. So the more relaxed that I can come into the situation, which for me is prep. How have I prepped? How have I prepped for this? You so I have the muzzle on me that fits and we don't ever have to use that with Bodhi anymore because we've done so many calm introductions that he's kind of cool at the vet now. Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (09:15.136)
Yes, that's hard. Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (09:28.686)
good for you. Yeah.

JoJo (09:30.624)
It's my other dog that has turned into a nightmare. She is a full on I M sedation situation.

Dr. Angie Krause (09:39.276)
Yeah, and that's okay. I mean, it makes the visit more expensive for you. It makes it more of a big deal, but it's not a failure. And, you know, it's okay to use chemical restraint. It's better for everybody. Yeah.

JoJo (09:53.965)
Yeah, and I would say with that, in the prep, stack your care. So if you know your dog's gonna need to be sedated, do all the things. Do all the things. I was gonna say another thing about that. Treats never work when your dog's stressed like that, I'll just say. They have no interest whatsoever. Do the drugs.

Dr. Angie Krause (10:01.206)
all the things. Yes.

Dr. Angie Krause (10:08.438)
No. No.

They think they're gonna die. Like they're fighting for their lives. Yeah, so we can help them. Okay, what's the next question?

JoJo (10:15.243)
Yeah, they are fighting. No. No. Okay.

I'm gonna say one more thing on that too. Because I know I feel a lot of shame around that. There is something, because I read this in her, that's how terrible she's feeling about it. I totally get that. It's kind of embarrassing. You feel like your dog should behave better There's all these shoulds. Go back to our should episode. mean, shame exists in this and it doesn't, nobody there is really judging you. This is just your dog. They understand.

Dr. Angie Krause (10:24.993)
Okay, okay.

Dr. Angie Krause (10:43.33)
Yes.

Dr. Angie Krause (10:49.388)
No. No.

Here's one thing we will judge you for. If your dog tries to bite us, if your dog growls at us, if your dog lifts their lip at us, please don't punish that. We are so grateful for all of their communication. Don't ever shut down your dog's communication. And I know you want to because it's just reflexive, but if you can not do that, please don't because we don't want that. I like it when dogs growl at me. Yeah.

JoJo (11:06.086)
yeah.

JoJo (11:15.29)
Mm-hmm.

JoJo (11:19.598)
Yeah, that's such a great tip. Yeah, communication is our job to listen. That is our job. A lot of times when we get bit, it's because we weren't listening. And if you know your dog is a biter or has this fear, maybe has, we try, I love the way you say this, Angie. You say this in a way of, don't want to give your dog a bite record. Like we just don't. And so if you have any inclination that your dog may be,

Dr. Angie Krause (11:22.574)
Please let your dog growl. Yes. Yes.

Yes.

Dr. Angie Krause (11:42.538)
No. No.

JoJo (11:48.823)
in a fear-based state or may need sedation or may bite, just tell us. Like we can approach everything so much more consciously than we may have otherwise. So don't hide it. Okay, next one is from Mary. It's another anxiety one, but a different kind of anxiety. So separation anxiety. It seems to affect more dogs than I ever knew.

Dr. Angie Krause (11:55.096)
Yes.

Dr. Angie Krause (12:03.84)
Yes. Don't hide it. Next. Yep.

Dr. Angie Krause (12:13.422)
Okay.

JoJo (12:18.21)
I think people often don't know about it and mistake their dog tearing up things when they're gone as just misbehaving.

Dr. Angie Krause (12:27.212)
That is probably true. Separation anxiety is so common, especially with our COVID puppies.

JoJo (12:33.39)
Yep, that's what I have.

Dr. Angie Krause (12:33.996)
They, yeah, they really struggle with that because they were with us all the time, kind of unnaturally. and, I, I would say using, I like to use pharmaceuticals with a good trainer. So sometimes like something like a Prozac, like an SSRI can really help decrease stress enough for dogs to learn. mean, and I'll use Clonidine, Gabapentin, Trazo. I'll use all of those things in addition to help the training, but what's really

really great. The gold is when you're veterinarian or your veterinary behavior expert can be working with your trainer.

And that's gold. so people that have the resources to do that, feel like have the best outcomes, but there are trainers that will help just with separation anxiety. And you just want to make sure that it's always positive, nothing negative, no negative training for separation anxiety, no negative training for most anything. I'm sure there's some exception that a trainer will, you know, slide in to the comments and tell me about, which is fine. I'm open to that. I'm not a trainer. I'm a veterinarian.

JoJo (13:28.975)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Angie Krause (13:43.84)
But there are ways that we can work together and help your dog. so drugs and training. And a lot of times you don't have to keep the drugs on board. The drugs often just help your dog learn. Takes away some of that anxiety. It's hard to learn when you're panicking. Can't learn anything.

JoJo (13:57.85)
Mm-hmm.

JoJo (14:02.522)
All right. Well, and I think Mary makes a good point of that when your dog is being destructive while you're away, it's not because they're just being a bad dog. they're just needing to move their anxious energy. It's really what that's about. It's like biting your nails or I don't know, things that we do to self harm, you know, when we're really anxious. So, I mean, I think that is, that's also not a trainer, but I would assume is about moving energy.

Dr. Angie Krause (14:12.59)
Probably not now.

Dr. Angie Krause (14:23.168)
Yes. Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (14:30.625)
Right.

JoJo (14:32.674)
You know, like I feel so uncomfortable that this is happening that I need to destroy.

Dr. Angie Krause (14:35.82)
Yes. Yeah, it probably depends on like what type of dog, how old the dog is, what, like the situation, what are they tearing up? What are they doing?

JoJo (14:44.244)
And a very difficult, that is difficult. That is challenging. know people that feel very, just chained to their dog. Like they can't ever leave them alone. So hard. I acknowledge that that's hard. Mary also commented that she said also rage seizures. it sounds like something that her dog is, is going through something called rage seizures. She's like, it's very rare.

Dr. Angie Krause (14:55.628)
Yeah, absolutely.

Dr. Angie Krause (15:12.746)
Yes, I'm assuming what she means is her dog has a seizure when he's mad. Like there's some kind of... Yeah, I mean a lot of things can set off seizures. And so I think that rage seizures are probably controlled.

JoJo (15:20.782)
That's what I assume a rage seizure is, yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (15:33.75)
like any other seizure would be my guess. And I usually use, I have a dog that's just started having seizures, depending on how many seizures we've had close together, I'll start with CBD. So I use the HempRx. And if that doesn't work, then I'll add on some Chinese herbs. And if that doesn't work, or we've clustered up, meaning that we've had several in a day, then I use anti-convulsant medications. And so that's what I think.

That would be my approach.

JoJo (16:05.71)
Well, and this would be a great, I'm gonna make a plug here because Dr. Angie does do video consultations and to work through, piece through all of these and make a plan. So if that's ever something that somebody could use, we can make plans. You can make plans for these anxious situations or these dogs that are new to having seizures. There's a lot that we can cover. So.

Dr. Angie Krause (16:22.839)
Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (16:29.41)
Yes. Yep. You can go to our website, boulderholisticvet.com and go to the consultations. You can grab a spot on my calendar.

JoJo (16:37.678)
Yeah, do it. Okay, moving on. Okay, Jan wants to hear more about colitis and understands that it can be chronic, but also where to go from antibiotics that dogs can't tolerate. She says, all I know is that prescription food has not really changed anything.

Dr. Angie Krause (16:41.377)
Okay.

Dr. Angie Krause (16:57.408)
Okay, so sounds like we have a dog with chronic diarrhea that they have deemed to be in the large bowel, so colitis, that has not responded to antibiotics and a diet change. Does that, does that?

JoJo (17:09.754)
Mm-hmm.

Well, it sounds like the dog can't take antibiotics, not tolerating it. I don't know what that means.

Dr. Angie Krause (17:19.114)
Okay, so either can't take antibiotics. Well, we don't really know the source of the colitis here. So that's what we would try to figure out. This is a great one for a consultation.

JoJo (17:21.914)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Angie Krause (17:31.574)
But what I will say is, once we've ruled out parasites, we like to do easy things, like make sure your dog doesn't have intestinal worms or parasites, or doesn't have giardia. So once we've ruled that out, and sometimes it can take a couple stool tests to completely rule that out, then we start looking for causes. Sometimes it is like a food allergy. So I'll use an amino acid-based diet.

I've hardly ever had any dog have diarrhea on Ultamino And so I'll use that if, if my patient will eat it. And then if that works, then usually it's some kind of like food sensitivity. There are lots of reasons dogs have chronic diarrhea. And then the other thing to do is to check a sample of the tissue. So basically a colonoscopy to see what's

what's going on in there? Why are we inflamed? An abdominal ultrasound would be important. So really we have to kind of get to the root cause to know what kind of treatment. Cause if we have an inflammatory process, then a lot of times we need steroids or some kind of anti-inflammatory for the gut. And then if we have food allergies, then we try to figure out what, what food sensitivity.

is happening. Some dogs are just like really responsive to fiber. We call that fiber responsive diarrhea or fiber responsive colitis. Like they just need a certain amount of fiber for their colon to work correctly. And so those are my thoughts on the few sentences that I have.

JoJo (18:58.35)
Mm-hmm.

JoJo (19:07.513)
Right.

Okay. and because it's chronic, we could, could you rule out that it's like a pancreatic insufficiency or could it still be a pancreatic insufficiency, which is a pretty easy fix typically.

Dr. Angie Krause (19:20.855)
It could s-

Yes, yes. And then there's a test for that. Yes. Yeah. I don't see it. It's pretty rare.

JoJo (19:28.442)
So there's a lot of easy diagnostics to start with. Okay.

Dr. Angie Krause (19:33.28)
Yes, there's some easier diagnostics. Yeah, yeah. We need more information. Yeah.

JoJo (19:37.883)
Okay, definitely. And that would make a fantastic consultation. Okay, last one is from Lisa. She says, wish our vets were more accepting of non-conventional treatments, medicines, et cetera. For example, pushing vaccines and the like when they should be well aware of the dangers of these toxic chemicals that aren't helping our innocent fur babies. I would like to have an opinion about dog's wellbeing.

Dr. Angie Krause (19:42.701)
Totally.

Dr. Angie Krause (20:07.66)
Yeah. Okay, well, first of all, what you're saying is so valid. Like, basically, she's saying, like, why can't I have a conversation with my veterinarian about these other therapies, whether they're herbs or acupuncture or, I don't know. I'm not sure exactly what she's referring to, but I could guess. And I think that's a really fair criticism.

And I think a lot of pet lovers are feeling kind of isolated and turned off by veterinary medicine right now because they can't have that conversation with their veterinarian. And the reason why they can't have that conversation with their veterinarian is because their veterinarian is not trained in alternative therapies. so, you know, general practitioners just to

JoJo (20:57.774)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Angie Krause (21:01.346)
to kind of give you the side of the veterinarian. There's so much we're doing. We're like, we're your dentist, we're your ophthalmologist, we're your dermatologist. I mean, until we get these specialties on board, we're all of those things. We're your surgeon. We're thinking about so much. We still feel like also we're trying to be like the psychiatrist of like, your dog anxious all the time? There's so much happening.

that a lot of veterinarians don't decide to go learn Chinese medicine or all these, you know, other modalities. So when it comes up, I think a lot of veterinarians just like shut down. And that is unfortunate. But there are some veterinarians will be like, gosh, I don't really know anything about that. But I support whatever, like, let me help you find someone who does. And so that that's what I can speak to about that piece. Like she's right.

JoJo (21:42.222)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Angie Krause (21:59.636)
Most veterinarians will shut it down, but most veterinarians just don't have time to know. And in the industry, unfortunately, there's kind of this stigma of like anything else besides traditional therapies has just got to be quackery. And so it really isolates people because it's not all quackery, but like some of it is. So I think that's

JoJo (22:04.036)
Mm-hmm.

JoJo (22:17.887)
Right.

JoJo (22:24.002)
Well, and I imagine it's probably really challenging depending on location to find integrative support because I think we live in the hub of, you know, crunchy granola. I don't know the landscape of that. And there are very few integrative veterinarians, very few. It's shocking. So I imagine if you live in the middle of

Dr. Angie Krause (22:32.643)
Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (22:38.943)
totally. Yeah.

Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (22:47.544)
Very few, yes.

you

JoJo (22:53.526)
Oklahoma or any of our Midwest states, like, where are people going, Dr. Angie? How are they getting supported if they've done their research and they found that they don't want to do traditional medicine?

Dr. Angie Krause (22:56.28)
Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (23:03.054)
Right.

Dr. Angie Krause (23:10.38)
You come hang out with me online. We can meet on Zoom. That's where you go.

JoJo (23:12.984)
Yeah, that's true. So really, the goal is to advocate because you have a right. It is your right to advocate for what you want for your pet.

Dr. Angie Krause (23:18.85)
Yeah. Yeah!

Dr. Angie Krause (23:25.642)
It really is. And I think you deserve to have these conversations. And that's my favorite thing is to tell people like, hear the alternative therapies that are total quackery. Some of it is awful. Some of the information that's out there is awful. It's harmful, but some of it's really helpful. And in my almost 20 years of practice now, it's funny to see the things that used to be like on the fringe are now mainstream. You're like, yeah, no.

JoJo (23:36.673)
huh.

JoJo (23:53.012)
Tell me one.

Dr. Angie Krause (23:53.974)
I told you, like every hospital I go to now has this herb called Yunnan Baiyao that we use. Yeah.

JoJo (23:59.847)
yeah, we use that all the time, like 12 years ago, but that was out of integrative practice. And I do see it in notes now. I was like, it's caught on.

Dr. Angie Krause (24:05.344)
You were at an integrated practice, but now...

It's everywhere. it's like, yeah, like 18 years ago, that would have been an underground thing to have. now every, there's not a hospital I go to that doesn't have that. And it treats bleeding for dogs with hemorrhagic sarcoma. Yeah, like it's just caught on. We just all have it now. And so I do wonder what therapies that are emerging now that in 20 years we're gonna be like, I told you, I told you. And so.

JoJo (24:15.905)
Mm-hmm.

JoJo (24:21.526)
Yay! Fantastic!

JoJo (24:33.484)
Yeah. Okay, are they using, now I'm just asking curious questions that listeners may not care about, but the Yunnan BaiYao bio, are you using it prior to surgeries?

Dr. Angie Krause (24:38.177)
Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (24:43.118)
sometimes, but we're mainly using it for hemangiosarcoma for dogs that are bleeding for that bleeding with hemangiosarcoma. And so I think, yeah, I mean, it's caught on and people use it. They'll have it for abdominal surgery. and so yes, to help control bleeding. And it's just a classic Chinese formula. And so, I, I do think that there are a lot of therapies out there that.

JoJo (24:47.546)
Mmm. Yeah.

JoJo (24:58.595)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Angie Krause (25:12.558)
We're not accepted and now are accepted and now I wonder what will be accepted in the future is more of a mainstream thing to do and so I think it's important that we stay open but I love having the conversations of people of helping them understand This is quackery. This isn't here's what's gonna work because everyone wants to create a supplement and take your money That that is a huge industry. Yes

JoJo (25:21.145)
Yeah.

JoJo (25:37.018)
That is true statement.

Dr. Angie Krause (25:41.12)
And the marketing is great and you can get way off track online. And so I can help bring you back. Bring you back in the

JoJo (25:49.787)
Yeah, I have found that in the human side so disappointing as I go through menopause that trusted names that I followed all of a sudden are selling, selling supplements and I immediately go into a, oh, can I trust or do I not trust at this point?

Dr. Angie Krause (26:04.792)
right.

Dr. Angie Krause (26:08.364)
And I always look at like how many different supplements are they trying to sell you? Because you could walk into and this, I love chiropractors and I go to them all the time, but there are some chiropractors that you walk in, you're like, I need an adjustment. And you walk out with like 20 supplements. That's such a red flag. Why do we need 20 supplements? So I, when I do my consultations, I try to keep it less than like three to five supplements.

JoJo (26:28.58)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Angie Krause (26:37.518)
Because if we're needing a lot more than that, and sometimes we do, but not very often. And so I think there are a lot of things and there's a lot of information, especially about vaccines, because we should address her point about vaccines. There's a lot of misinformation about vaccines. And I think every person should know what diseases their pet is at risk for. What are the consequences of that disease?

JoJo (26:54.158)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Angie Krause (27:05.1)
What's the likelihood they're going to contract the disease and what's the likelihood that they're going to have their pets going to have a negative reaction from this vaccine. It's every vaccine should be discussed like that. And unfortunately, veterinarians don't have time.

JoJo (27:15.8)
Mm-hmm.

JoJo (27:24.366)
Yeah, bottom line.

Dr. Angie Krause (27:25.782)
Bottom line. So call me, let's talk about it because you deserve that knowledge. You know, you'll see people online. When I say people, won't name any publications, even though I want to, I want to, but I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to start any fights, but I won't make you at it. people say vaccines last way longer than veterinarians say they do. And you're just like,

JoJo (27:39.406)
Don't make me edit. Extra.

Dr. Angie Krause (27:51.534)
don't make that blanket statement because wait, are you talking about a leptospirosis vaccine? Are you talking about a rabies vaccine? What are you talking about? Because that leptospirosis vaccine that is given every year, it literally only lasts that year because our body's immune system just doesn't make great immunity against bacteria like organisms like we do viruses. And so just be really careful about

JoJo (28:06.116)
See ya.

JoJo (28:16.247)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Angie Krause (28:21.224)
what you're reading and if you we should probably do a whole episode on vaccines. I could talk for a long time.

JoJo (28:26.884)
Yeah, we could. just, I know I started thinking and thinking, I'm like, don't say them, JoJo, hold them. Like, then we're go on another spin.

Dr. Angie Krause (28:31.886)
I know we're going to spit out and we're probably kind of out of time. Yeah. And so I, I do think, so the person that wrote this, I do think you deserve all of these things. I'd love to have these conversations with you. Let's talk about the vaccines. Let's talk about what's right for you and your pet. A lot of it is about risk tolerance and

JoJo (28:37.208)
But my little brain wheels were starting to go, yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (28:59.166)
what you know how likely your pet is to encounter the disease that we're preventing. Yep.

JoJo (29:06.604)
Yep. And I think that's the whole goal of, not the whole goal of consultations, but a large one. I know that your, your want for people is to feel that they can go in and advocate with confidence.

Dr. Angie Krause (29:19.394)
Yes. Yes.

JoJo (29:21.858)
So when those pressure conversations come, those high pressure situations, the more confident one feels in their answer with the data behind it or the support of another veterinarian who said, yes, this is okay. You know, not just the Google veterinarian that said, yes, this is okay. okay, that was all of them. I mean, I'm sure there's others, but those were the ones we're gonna get to today.

Dr. Angie Krause (29:29.698)
Yes.

Dr. Angie Krause (29:39.852)
Right. Yep.

That was it.

Dr. Angie Krause (29:49.002)
Okay, and before we sign off, you can definitely sign up for a consultation with me. But if there's something particular you want to learn about, have courses online. They are recorded courses that I taught live. And we have them like on vaccines, itchy dogs, so many things, I probably won't even remember everything we have a course on. And vomiting and diarrhea, kitties, yes, all kinds of things.

JoJo (30:11.822)
vomiting and diarrhea kitties.

Dr. Angie Krause (30:17.774)
Parasite control like flea and tick prevention and if you use the code truth tales spelled either way t-r-u-t-h-t-a-i-l-s or t-a-l-e-s you can get it for free so go get that go get that information and Book a consult with me so I can help you out And as always leave us a comment good bad or other

JoJo (30:40.206)
Yep, perfect.

JoJo (30:45.048)
Yes, or a like or a follow would be great. Follows allow you to get the new episodes when they drop every Friday.

Dr. Angie Krause (30:47.306)
or a like or a follow. Yes.

Dr. Angie Krause (30:52.93)
Yes. Yep. Okay. We'll see you next time. Bye.

JoJo (30:55.013)
Great. Okay, until next time. Bye.