Tails of Truth: The Truth about Veterinary Medicine

The Dog Breed Debate: From Chihuahuas to Doodles

• Dr. Angie Krause, DVM CVA CCRT • Episode 23

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🎙 Summary

In this episode of Tails of Truth, Dr. Angie and JoJo share their experiences of different dog breeds—from feisty Chihuahuas to lovable Boxers, protective German Shepherds, and the ever-popular Doodles. They share real life stories as veterinary professionals and dog guardians, highlighting both the joys and challenges of living with and treating various breeds. The conversation explores dog behavior, breed characteristics, responsibilities as a dog guardian, and the ethical future of dog breeding practices. This honest discussion reminds listeners that while every breed has unique charm, understanding their needs is essential for a safe and fulfilling human–dog bond.

📌 Key Takeaways

  • Chihuahuas may be tiny but pack big personalities.
  • German Shepherds and Rottweilers can inspire both loyalty and fear, depending on experiences.
  • Golden Retrievers are beloved but often face heartbreaking health challenges.
  • Pugs and Cavaliers bring joy but come with grooming and health considerations.
  • Doodles are trendy, but not all mixes make good family dogs.
  • COVID-era puppies face unique socialization struggles.
  • Some breeds, like Bulldogs and Frenchies, suffer greatly due to breeding practices.
  • Choosing the right breed requires honesty about lifestyle, space, and budget.

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“Dogs are unpredictable, just like we are.” ~Dr. Angie

“Boxers don't age well...but I love Boxers.” ~JoJo

" We don’t make any breed better by mixing it with a poodle. That’s my hot take." ~Dr. Angie 

" COVID puppies are different. It’s like the ultimate introvert generation of dogs." ~JoJo

 "All the flat-faced breeds suffer so much. It doesn’t mean I don’t love your dog — but I wish we’d stop breeding them.”  ~Dr. Angie

Please subscribe and review! xoxo Dr. Angie & JoJo


Dr. Angie (00:00)
Welcome back to Tails of Truth podcast. I'm Dr. Angie and this is my veterinary nurse JoJo and on Tails of Truth, we tell the truth about veterinary medicine. And in this episode...

JoJo Smith (00:10)
I'm laughing because as you said, Tails of truth, a tail like went across the

screen. So if you're listening, you didn't see that, but it was funny. It was like perfect comedic timing.

Dr. Angie (00:17)
That was

courtesy of my cat Fritz. That was his tail of truth. And in this episode, we are going to be talking about dog breeds. So nothing too medical, except for our thoughts about these dog breeds, what it means to live with them, what it's like to be their veterinarian, et cetera, et cetera. And I have to just point out this divine compatibility that JoJo and I have.

So JoJo and I used to go see house calls together and there's one type of dog that I've always been scared of. that's, that's a Chihuahua. big bad mean Chihuahua and they are scarier at home compared to a clinic because they feel more emboldened to be aggressive. So every time.

JoJo Smith (00:57)
Big bad mean Chihuahua

Your face.

Dr. Angie (01:15)
We were

going to a house call that was a chihuahua. She's like, it's okay Angie, I've got this. And I'm like, okay, I can do this.

JoJo Smith (01:24)
I feel like there was only one Joala that I felt a little bit scared of.

Dr. Angie (01:28)
Remember that house right off of 36, it was an apartment and she had two chihuahuas and we would walk in and they would charge my ankles and you were so fine. And I was like, how is this?

JoJo Smith (01:41)
I don't remember it probably because I wasn't traumatized.

Dr. Angie (01:44)
You weren't, yeah, you would

just get blood from them. No problem. In meantime, I'm like shaking in my boots, but. Reversely. I love German shepherds.

JoJo Smith (01:50)
Yeah.

⁓

don't like German Shepherds. They scare me.

Dr. Angie (01:59)
Yeah, I just, I feel so safe around them because I feel like I can speak their language and I know what they're thinking. I don't even know if that's

JoJo Smith (02:10)
I feel like

that's exactly why I feel scared, because I have no idea what they're thinking. I feel like they turn quickly.

Dr. Angie (02:17)
Yeah.

Okay, I guess out of all the dog breeds I've I felt like they give me the most communication and so I'm like, okay, I trust you To communicate with me about my safety But you've also been bitten by a German Shepherd, right

JoJo Smith (02:34)
Not my experience.

I had a German Shepherd as a kid. first, this is gonna sound so bad, because I don't have family trauma. My first stepdad had a German Shepherd. And I loved that dog. And one night it just like came in my room and went after me. Yeah.

Dr. Angie (03:00)
Okay,

that's really traumatizing.

JoJo Smith (03:04)
I totally trusted that dog and I was asleep but now being the person that I am now I'm like did it see something in my window? Was it not about me at all? That's probably the more likely story.

Dr. Angie (03:15)
rates.

You have more context.

JoJo Smith (03:18)
Yes, but I never saw that dog again.

Dr. Angie (03:21)
Well, yeah, I mean, yeah.

JoJo Smith (03:24)
But yeah, I mean the only dogs I've ever been attacked by was German Shepherd and a Rottie

Dr. Angie (03:33)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

JoJo Smith (03:34)
And that Rottie

was in a lot of pain. So that, so I don't think I've held that against other Rottweilers.

Dr. Angie (03:40)
Okay. Because there was context. Yes. Yes. Well, tell me, tell me about the, I mean, I've.

JoJo Smith (03:42)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, but I really love Chihuahuas and I know a lot of people don't

and that's that's fair. I mean they are what I love about them is that they're feisty. They're just kind of like how I want to go out in life just no they're just like I don't like you get away.

Dr. Angie (04:00)
Yes, an alpha.

Yeah.

JoJo Smith (04:03)
can appreciate that from a small bodied

dog. If that was like a 140 pound dog, I'd probably have a different feeling about their opinion.

Dr. Angie (04:11)
So you give them more grace. get, cause they, they're smaller. I think I feel scared of them too, because usually by the time I'm seeing them, usually their mouths are, you know, full of dental disease. And I'm like, I don't want that bacteria in my bloodstream. And.

JoJo Smith (04:13)
Totally, because they're small.

Mm-hmm.

I worry about that with cats.

Very happy. It gets infected.

Dr. Angie (04:33)
Yeah,

yeah, cat bites can be pretty terrible. So tell me what breeds you love to live with. Let's talk about the breeds we've lived with and loved living with.

JoJo Smith (04:41)
Whoa, whoa.

Who you just recently though had a bite. Is that that's like your first time in in the history of practicing. Is that fair? And what kind of dog what kind of dog was that?

Dr. Angie (04:50)
Yes, that is fair. So it

was a Doberman and this broke my heart. One, because in my 17 years of practicing medicine, I've never been bitten by a patient. And that somehow made me feel like I could read the room better than anybody, which I know is not true and is super egoic. anyways, I, yeah, I

I had no warning and I went to touch this dog's hips and she came after me. ⁓ it was pretty terrifying actually. And so my nurse was a large man. Thank goodness. And he, that is so rare. And he reached down. I, she turned around to bite me. was in the, ⁓ on the floor. She turned around to bite me.

JoJo Smith (05:31)
is so rare.

Dr. Angie (05:44)
And she, put my, I mean, you can actually still see the scar. Look at it. Uh, she got me here. And as I put my head up and then, I curled down into the corner of the exam room next to the door and she then kept trying. She bit up my back and tried to come after my neck and he reached down. I think he took her either by the scruff or maybe she had a vest on and pulled her off of me.

JoJo Smith (05:47)
huh.

Dr. Angie (06:11)
Thank goodness, because otherwise my face would have been like really disfigured.

JoJo Smith (06:15)
So will you be afraid of them going?

Dr. Angie (06:17)
I don't want to be, I don't want to be. I don't, I haven't seen one since. I don't actually see a lot of them around here, but they've always been such a favorite. And I said to my nurse before I walked into that appointment, I love Dobie so much. They're so amazing. No.

JoJo Smith (06:35)
It's true, we don't see many of them. It's noisy

here, I keep looking. My dogs are never down here for conversations.

Dr. Angie (06:41)
I love

the noise they're making. Did you hear my cat in the litter box earlier?

JoJo Smith (06:46)
No, but I was like, we could do some

ASMR on the mic here with my

JoJo Smith (06:51)
Unscripted.

Dr. Angie (06:53)
Unscripted. Okay. So I had my, my bite from the Doberman and I'm slowly getting over it, but for a long time I was scared of dogs in practice and it, definitely changed the way I approach dogs probably permanently, which is probably good because we're all susceptible to being bitten and, dogs are, you know, unpredictable just like we are.

JoJo Smith (07:18)
Yeah, I always wondered the times that I happened, but I'm like, what sign did I miss? Like what was the, what was the little, what was the little shift that I missed? Cause I, I don't think any dog really wants to bite.

Dr. Angie (07:27)
yeah. Yeah.

Not most of the time, I don't think. Yeah. That's why they're so scary!

JoJo Smith (07:32)
I take that back. I'm thinking of Chihuahuas, they do.

Yeah,

they do. They're just terrified. They're scared.

Dr. Angie (07:41)
They do. Although for

all the Chihuahua lovers out there, the thing is your Chihuahua is so nice to you. And there are a number of Chihuahuas that are nice to everyone, but it's just the exception, not the rule.

JoJo Smith (07:48)
You

Oh, well my dog, well my dog's a biter. Like both of my dogs. I have, I'm assuming he's either, I don't know, I think he's a husky-mallermute mix. That's what I'm gonna go with. But he came to me from, he was chained up in Arizona, which has to be a miserable experience for a husky with the amount of hair that he has.

Dr. Angie (08:02)
Let's talk about your dog. What kind of dogs do you live with?

Yeah, that seems right.

Totally.

JoJo Smith (08:22)
and he kept going to the pound. And so I think he has something, he does have something with men in hats that pull up in big trucks and move past him really quickly. So he's like, he's bit the UPS guy. And I blame the UPS guy for that one because he was sitting, mean, Bodhi was sitting in our yard and he pulled up in his truck and ran right in the path of Bodhi.

Dr. Angie (08:32)
⁓ something's happened. Yes.

⁓ instead of going around him.

JoJo Smith (08:46)
Yeah,

like didn't walk and he was running with a package had his big truck, you know? No, and I'm not, mean, Bodhi is at fault, but that we've pinned it down to, okay, it's something with a big truck and a man in a hat. That's his trigger. Like he's so nice at the vet clinic.

Dr. Angie (08:50)
Yeah, he'll never do that again.

Okay. What do you think?

he is? Okay.

JoJo Smith (09:06)
Yeah, at the groomer,

all of it, he's fine.

Dr. Angie (09:08)
What do you think about living with a Northern breed? Does he act like all the Northern breeds, like that prototypical, stereotypical talking back, getting into trouble personality, larger than life.

JoJo Smith (09:23)
he's not quite as talkative as some other northern breeds that we've met. Man, I love when he talks and the older he gets, he's getting so much more vocal demanding. And there's something about, didn't I say this with a twirl? I love when you can tell me what you want, whether I wanna do it or not.

Dr. Angie (09:28)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

JoJo Smith (09:43)
But like he'll pull the blankets off of us if he wants to go outside, he just like rips them off. And I'm all for it. Yeah.

Dr. Angie (09:48)
Ha ha ha.

You love it.

You love it. Well, my last dog was a pug and I absolutely loved sharing my life with a pug because they're little cartoon characters that just wreak havoc and they have no shame and they really don't care about what you think of them, nor do they care to please you. They are mostly out to please themselves. And I think there's something.

JoJo Smith (09:55)
Mm-hmm.

It's like a cat and a dog body.

Dr. Angie (10:19)
I think, yeah, there's something to be learned from that. Like people will say pugs aren't trainable, but he was trainable. But I feel like there are some breeds and a dog trainer is probably going to correct me. And I'm open to that correction. I feel like there are a lot of dog breeds that are like really into pleasing their people. And maybe pleasing is inaccurate and it's more about interacting, but I feel like pugs embody none of that.

There's no embodiment of pleasing. It's just like whatever they want to do. He would know something was against the rules and he's like, I don't really care. I'm just going to do whatever I want.

JoJo Smith (10:55)
Don't you think that's

like age too? Like with age all these these animals seem to just be like yeah I know I used to do that I'm not doing that anymore like I feel like they just straight up know don't quiet quit they just quit Like I'm not eating that I'm not going outside when you say

Dr. Angie (11:03)
Yeah.

He just quit.

Yeah, that is probably pretty typical of senior dogs. Yeah. Yeah. Like just get a reverent. Yeah. So there's some.

JoJo Smith (11:19)
and old people.

Yeah, so all that training, I mean,

I'm not saying that's for everyone, but when I think of a pug, I just feel like they don't have personality, but I've never lived with one.

Dr. Angie (11:28)
Mm-hmm.

⁓ they have so much personality. They are hilarious at all times.

JoJo Smith (11:39)
And it's so funny because when I first met your pug I'm like, ⁓ I don't like pugs. Like I don't see the cuteness in it. But he really grew on me. And I can't understand why I don't think they're cute because I love flat-faced kitties. So it's interesting.

Dr. Angie (11:49)
Yes.

Yeah. Well,

not all pugs are of equal cuteness and there is some part of loving a pug. like, just have this dog with a face that only a mother can love. Like they're so ugly. They're cute. But I think when they're younger, cute, but some of the older pugs, they do get ugly, but like in this really kind of endearing way.

JoJo Smith (12:06)
Maybe that's what it was.

That's how I feel about boxers. Boxers don't age well. They, yeah. Like if there was plastic surgery for, like if there were plastic surgeons for dogs, like the boxers would keep them in business. Like they start out so young and cute and fresh and they just, they grow all the things and sagging all the place. I don't know. There's just something about the way boxers age.

Dr. Angie (12:20)
Yes, they don't.

But could you think?

Yeah.

They gray out kind of rough, but have you met a better dog than a boxer? Like are they have the best personalities. They're a little too athletic for me to live with, but I've never met a boxer that I did not like. Like they're just happy to be alive. Right? No, they, they're easy going. They're going to break your heart when they leave. mean,

JoJo Smith (12:45)
No, I love boxers.

Hmm. Yeah, I haven't either.

Dr. Angie (13:07)
We are all heartbroken, but I feel like there's something different about boxers.

JoJo Smith (13:13)
Yeah, I love, I love boxers.

Dr. Angie (13:15)
Yeah, they're pretty great. And then speaking of some of the best dogs of all times, he's a golden retriever.

JoJo Smith (13:22)
Totally. says, how do you top a golden retriever?

Dr. Angie (13:24)
I see them on the street. You,

you can't, I always tell my kids that's an all American good boy or good girl. Like I just, you're just like, this is the epitome of some of the best dogs ever.

JoJo Smith (13:37)
but talk about a heartbreaker.

Dr. Angie (13:39)
guaranteed to break your heart when they die of cancer or die of multiple types of cancer at the same time. Yeah.

JoJo Smith (13:41)
Yeah, cancer.

I know, like why is that happening?

I mean...

Dr. Angie (13:52)
We've traced it back to one dog, which gives us hope that we can breed it out. But in the meantime, it's ridiculous.

JoJo Smith (14:00)
You just have to know

going in.

Dr. Angie (14:02)
you know going in.

JoJo Smith (14:03)
Yeah, but it's so worth it.

Dr. Angie (14:04)
I think it's worth it. Now, I would never live with a golden retriever because I couldn't deal with that much energy and I couldn't deal with that much hair. But the dog that I'm lusting over right now is a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. I put three of them on my vision board for 2025.

JoJo Smith (14:17)
Cheers.

gosh, be careful.

That could happen. You don't see those in practice very often.

Dr. Angie (14:28)
I think

you don't, you just don't see them very often at all, but they are such lovely family dogs. And for me as a single mother with two children, I think that they might be the perfect dog for me. The only thing I'm not a huge fan of is that I will have to get them professionally groomed regularly.

JoJo Smith (14:47)
see with Bodhi we have to do that too and it's a thing it's an expense too

Dr. Angie (14:51)
It's they,

yeah, it's expensive. Sometimes it's hard to find a good groomer. You're making time for this extra appointment, but I think the benefits of these dogs are so great. mean, have you ever met one you didn't like and wasn't just the sweetest, right? They're not going to bite my kids. They're not going to bite my kids' friends. They're going to just love me unconditionally. They will sleep right next to me.

JoJo Smith (15:05)
No. As soon as you said it, I'm like, yeah, I get one of those.

Mm-hmm. but you shouldn't let your dogs in your bed. I will never ever, ever, ever follow that rule. And I love having my dogs in bed with me. It's one of my favorite things of the whole day. I just look forward to it.

Dr. Angie (15:19)
They just want to be with you. And they... my gosh. I would never follow that. No.

Absolutely.

There is another dog breed that I almost wanted to get. There was a time when I first became sickle right after I got divorced. Where it was, you know, it was different living alone with two small children. And I was telling Marissa Martino, our friend and dog trainer extraordinaire. was like, Marissa, I think I would just feel better if I got an Akita. And I was like, I would feel protected. And she was like, no.

JoJo Smith (15:55)
I don't know.

Hmm.

Dr. Angie (16:02)
No, and no, and not that it, for a Akita and I love them. They're like teddy bears. I know some people don't like them as patients, because they think they're standoffish, but I just think they're great. I love them.

JoJo Smith (16:03)
You have the yard for it!

⁓ I've loved every

Akita we've seen.

Dr. Angie (16:15)
They're so fluffy. They're like a life-sized stuffed animal and, but, but they are protection dogs. And she's like, this dog's going to be unhappy when your kids have friends over. Don't do it. She's like, don't do that. And so I quickly put that to rest, but I think it's also, we get a little bit in trouble when we get dogs for certain functions.

JoJo Smith (16:25)
Hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Angie (16:43)
Cause I would probably get an Akita that was like, you know, a golden retriever. I'm like, here, I'm getting this dog for protection, but getting dogs for protection is kind of a bad idea in the same sense of like getting guns for protection. Like you have to know what you're doing, know how to use your gun and you have to train the dog, know how to use the dog. And as a, as a single working mom, that's she's like, that's the worst idea I've ever heard.

JoJo Smith (16:57)
Sure, yeah.

Mm-hmm.

I'm so glad that she was able to give you that feedback, right? You're in pug land. Like that's your speed, right? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, Cavvies. Yeah, there aren't many. think I told you the story on this podcast recently of the first time I saw Corgi, I thought this is some weird mixed breed somebody got from.

Dr. Angie (17:15)
Yeah.

Hugs and cavies.

JoJo Smith (17:34)
The shelter, the first time I ever saw one. I was like, what, where'd you get this dog? I paid a lot of money for this dog, but now I just think they're so freaking adorable.

Dr. Angie (17:39)
Yeah.

They're so adorable. Their swagger with that butt. I know.

JoJo Smith (17:47)
The rump it's

so cute. I don't know how I ever thought it was a Probably

Dr. Angie (17:53)
Could you live with one? Could you live with a corgi?

I am not bossy enough. That dog would run my life. I could not coexist with a Corgi That dog would beat me up.

JoJo Smith (17:59)
Yeah.

Well, you just heard me. I'm okay

with like my dog pulling the blanket off and being like, it's time to go. So I think maybe I like being bossed around. I don't know, maybe I'm a bit submissive. I am not sure. There.

Dr. Angie (18:09)
Yeah. Yeah.

what other

breed would you live with?

JoJo Smith (18:19)
Well I am a sucker for a pittie for sure. I I love pit bulls and all actually all the bully breeds. I can't really think of a bully breed that I don't like.

Dr. Angie (18:24)
They're pretty great.

No.

JoJo Smith (18:29)
Yeah, they're pretty fantastic. I had a pittie who, she had such a busy tail, a happy tail that when I came home from work one day, it looked like a murder scene. Because she had wagged her tail so much, had ripped it open and then just kept wagging it so it was like blood splattered everywhere. And so, I mean, it happens so often that we ended up having to amputate her tail.

Dr. Angie (18:42)
no.

Aww.

⁓ pumpkin.

JoJo Smith (18:53)
And I felt sad because

we took away her happy tail, but she still had the happy rump. Just, yeah. But yeah, I would take a pittie any day. They're so sweet. And I don't know. I could not do a Great Dane, only from the financial aspect. Because every time I have to medications for our Great Dane patients, I'm just like, my god, they are an expense.

Dr. Angie (18:58)
Yes.

Right.

⁓ yeah. A lot of the Great Danes weigh more than us. And yeah, it's just, it's, yeah, it's very expensive, especially if the.

JoJo Smith (19:21)
Yeah.

Well, we had a 140

pound dog yesterday and I'm just like 140 pounds of dog. Is so much dog.

Dr. Angie (19:31)
Yeah

to feed?

JoJo Smith (19:33)
to feed, to medicate, to treat. And the bigger they are, the shorter their life.

Dr. Angie (19:39)
rates.

JoJo Smith (19:40)
So I always

think about that with Great Danes. mean, I feel like eight years is a good life. That's too short.

Dr. Angie (19:44)
Yes.

That's long.

That is too short. Yeah. I don't think I would be, well, first of all, my house is too small. Like I couldn't get a big dog to turn the corners in my house. Everything in my house is just like, the transitions are pretty rough here. Sometimes I feel like I live in a doll house and so that's why I have to have a little doll dog.

JoJo Smith (19:49)
Yeah.

you

That would be funny.

you

Aww.

You do kinda, it kinda is like a dollhouse. Yeah.

Dr. Angie (20:16)
It is right? Like the

transitions are tight. Like, do you think a great dang could even turn the corner to get up my stairs? It would be so close. I like them, but they, and sometimes they scare me. They do because I feel like they can be, ⁓ they're a little scared. They're a little skittish and I worry there's just so big

JoJo Smith (20:21)
It would be so clumsy.

Yeah, I do like I like them. ⁓ they do scare you sometimes

They are.

Yeah. Why do you think of doodles?

Dr. Angie (20:44)
Okay. I, my opinion of doodles is changing over the years. Okay. So I used to be super into doodles. And of course, if I see a doodle on my schedule, I'm still really excited about it, but I don't think in general, this is just my opinion. I don't see that we've made any breed better by mixing it with poodle. That is a hot take that a lot of people aren't going to appreciate. And I love everyone's doodles so much.

JoJo Smith (21:05)
Mmm.

Dr. Angie (21:11)
But I don't think we had the intended outcome that we were looking for. And if someone handed me a golden doodle puppy, I would take it in a heartbeat and live with it and love it. So it's not like.

JoJo Smith (21:22)
Yeah, well there's so many

doodle variations now

Dr. Angie (21:26)
Yes, some of them should not be family dogs.

JoJo Smith (21:29)
Which one?

Dr. Angie (21:31)
I think when people are mixing like the very intense breeds and then mixing them with a doodle, like the sheep a doodle. I don't think, I mean, are they the cutest things ever? Yes, they are. I just don't think so. think when we make something to doodle, it's, it exudes like I'm a family dog and I'm great for this lifestyle. And I don't think that's true.

JoJo Smith (21:41)
sheepa doodles.

cutest. Yeah.

Dr. Angie (21:58)
And so I think the PR on them went a little wrong. Or the Aussie doodles, those are very, those are very high strung dogs.

JoJo Smith (22:08)
any kind of herding breed.

Dr. Angie (22:09)
Mm-hmm.

JoJo Smith (22:10)
takes a really special kind of family.

Dr. Angie (22:12)
It really does. And it's not the new to dog.

JoJo Smith (22:14)
I love to

see like on socials, right? Those are the best dogs to watch. But in practicality, how many have we seen living in a little studio apartment or a one bedroom apartment where they're just going like it's not their fault that they feel crazy.

Dr. Angie (22:19)
Yes.

with.

Well, and they're

with people that aren't living in active style, lifestyle. So it's like, could live in a studio apartment. And if you were like hiking and doing things every day, then that would be fine. But man, I, I think doodles have just maybe have gone a little bit too far. And actually the AVMA put out a study that showed that mixed breeds. this is, you know, panning out.

JoJo Smith (22:36)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Angie (22:56)
farther, like further from the doodle is that mixed breeds are not necessarily healthier. And I thought that was a really interesting finding. I didn't look at their study design, so I can't speak to the accuracy of the study, but if the AVMA put it out, I probably trust it on some level. ⁓ but I thought that was interesting. Like people think, I'm getting to mixed breed and they're going to be healthier. And that's not necessarily the case.

JoJo Smith (23:03)
Mmm.

I mean, I believe I've always believed that that mixed breeds are are have more longevity less of the I mean and maybe if there's enough mix in there because I am also I'm a sucker for hound dogs

Dr. Angie (23:31)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

JoJo Smith (23:38)
even the bassets.

Dr. Angie (23:39)
Yeah.

JoJo Smith (23:40)
I just I don't know there's something just so dopey and sad about a lot of hound dogs that I love.

Dr. Angie (23:45)
Yeah.

JoJo Smith (23:49)
Dalmatians are another one that I've always liked but could not live with.

Dr. Angie (23:53)
They don't want to live with you either. know, like I, I just don't Dalmatians are not family dogs. It's a breed. really love and respect, but you know, shows come out and popularize these breeds. And then what happened with the JRT, the Jack Russell terrier with Frazier. And then everyone started getting, that's why, remember, okay, what was, ⁓ the Jack Russell terrier on Frazier called? Yeah.

JoJo Smith (24:04)
really happens.

So cute.

I don't know the name of it.

Dr. Angie (24:20)
But then everyone started getting them and they're, they're not family dogs. They're, they're not therapy dogs. They are cool dogs. ⁓ I really like them, but they're not for most people. And so the Dalmatians got, I mean, they're really beautiful, but they are not family dogs either. They have a job.

JoJo Smith (24:26)
or therapy dogs.

And they

are so hard to potty train. I've heard and I don't know if it's true that they're actually just not very smart dogs. Yeah, I don't know if that's true or not. Like that is really just challenging. That'd be a great question for a trainer. Because I've never lived with one.

Dr. Angie (24:45)
are they really? Okay.

really? ⁓ I thought they were really smart.

Yeah.

Well, there's a reason why they didn't stay popular.

You know, and I think people have these ideas. They're going to get this dog, just like I was talking about with the Akita. I'm going to have this dog. It's going to do these things for me and it's going to be a certain way. And then this dog shows up and has, you know, different proclivities, you know,

JoJo Smith (25:17)
Yeah, even if you

get them as a puppy, I mean, and think that you're gonna train them into certain things, I mean, these COVID puppies are different. These puppies born during COVID are different, which is is a testimony to what happens in utero has an impact. So however stressed mama is,

Dr. Angie (25:19)
Yeah.

Yes. COVID puppies are different.

JoJo Smith (25:41)
is impacting her litter.

Dr. Angie (25:43)
And I think a lot of these COVID puppies just didn't get the socialization. We were all wearing masks. Walks weren't happening as much. We weren't in community in the same way. they didn't get the socialization they needed. And then they were always with their people. And then their people went back to work. so it's just, yeah, the COVID puppies, that's a rough generation.

JoJo Smith (25:48)
Yeah.

Yeah.

always.

Yeah,

Sage is a COVID puppy and she, yeah, she's different. She's a little neurotic. She's, but she's great with us, but outside of that, it's, it's a lot for her. Like the ultimate introvert. Which I don't think she was really designed to be introverted. I don't know we could talk. There are so many. I, know what I saw the other day that I haven't seen in forever was a Sharpei full bread Sharpei

Dr. Angie (26:13)
those formative years, yes, or months, I should say.

Absolutely.

Okay, well...

I remember the first time I cut in to Sharp A skin. was my first year out of vet school and I got a Sharp A to neuter. And the moment my scalpel hit that skin, I was like, what is this? It is completely different than any other dog skin. And it's like kind of gelatinous. I remember what it felt like to sew this dog up. And it was just such a learning experience, but I like them.

JoJo Smith (27:02)
I'm so I get I just break out in terrible terrible hives From them and I think a lot of people do know there there's something about their hair that just is prickly and irritating

Dr. Angie (27:02)
I like sharp eis

Yeah, yeah, they do make you itch. Yes. Little needle hair.

Well, let's wrap it up and I'm going to ask you a question. What breed do you wish our clients would stop getting?

JoJo Smith (27:18)
Yeah. Okay.

Aww.

Dr. Angie (27:26)
I'm gonna put you on the spot.

JoJo Smith (27:28)
⁓ okay, hold on, let me think. Do you already have an answer?

Dr. Angie (27:32)
I have an answer that's going to feel super political, so you do whatever you want.

JoJo Smith (27:36)
Hmm.

Gosh, I just, wanna go with, I'm struggling with this. I'm like going through all of the ones.

I'm gonna have to go with German Shepherd just because it's my own thing. Like I'm okay, yeah, I'm like I'm okay if I never see another.

Dr. Angie (27:50)
Okay. Yeah.

JoJo Smith (27:50)
Yeah,

I mean, that's sad because a lot of people have them. And that's all about me.

Dr. Angie (27:54)
guess.

I know we're gonna get some hate comments for that.

JoJo Smith (27:58)
That's...

Yours? Or are you not going to say it because it's political?

Dr. Angie (28:03)
Okay. I thought of a better answer. My first answer was going to be, I wish that young families would stop going to the shelter and getting a puppy that's got herding breed in it, and then being surprised when they don't know how to take care of this puppy. But I think...

JoJo Smith (28:17)
I'm sorry, but I

am gonna politically say that's partially the fault of the...

facilities.

Dr. Angie (28:24)
A hundred percent, a hundred percent. We just see it so often, but I'm going to give a more specific answer. I think it would be okay to stop breeding. Bulldogs, French bulldogs and pugs and.

JoJo Smith (28:37)
you even threw the

pugs in there, all the flat faced.

Dr. Angie (28:39)
All the flat faces, they suffer so much. There's so much suffering and not being able to breathe. And right now the French bulldog is the number one breed in the United States. And I want you to know that I love your French bulldog for those of you listening, love them. Yes. And from an animal rights perspective.

JoJo Smith (29:00)
want one.

Mmm.

Dr. Angie (29:07)
It would be okay if we stopped breeding them, but it doesn't mean I don't like your dog. And I'm saying this as a pug lover.

JoJo Smith (29:15)
Yeah, your answer was so much better than mine. My answer is so self-centered.

Dr. Angie (29:15)
It's okay if they were just.

You're

like, I never want to see another German Shepherd.

JoJo Smith (29:26)
was fun conversation. We could probably talk about that forever.

Dr. Angie (29:27)
That was fun.

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