Tails of Truth: The Truth about Veterinary Medicine

Dog Food Trends and Risks: From Gently Cooked to Grain Free

• Dr. Angie Krause, DVM CVA CCRT • Episode 31

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🐾 Summary

In this thought-provoking episode of Tails of Truth, holistic veterinarian Dr. Angie Krause and veterinary nurse, JoJo, dive into the complicated and ever-evolving world of dog food, exploring everything from fresh cooked diets and home cooking to the latest findings on urinary stones linked to certain fresh dog food brands.

Listeners get an inside look at how pet food industry trends often mirror human diet fads, from paleo to grain-free, and how these shifts can sometimes lead to unintended health consequences for dogs. Dr. Angie draws on her firsthand experience working for major brands like I and Love and You, Open Farm, and Stella & Chewy’s to explain what’s behind the marketing, where nutrition meets science, and how pet owners can make informed choices.

They unpack the University of Minnesota’s discovery of a new type of urinary stone (calcium tartrate tetrahydrate) linked to choline bitartrate — an ingredient found in several popular fresh food brands, including The Farmer’s Dog, Nom Nom, and Just Food for Dogs. Dr. Angie discusses how the industry is likely to adapt, the importance of transparency in pet nutrition, and why dog food trends should always be guided by science, not social media.

The duo also explores the role of BalanceIt.com in creating nutritionally sound home-cooked diets, how AAFCO standards determine nutrient minimums and maximums, and the delicate balance between convenience, cost, and canine health. They end the episode by addressing grain-free diet myths, legume-based diets, and taurine deficiency in breeds like Golden Retrievers, tying it all together with a call for balanced, evidence-based feeding choices.

If you’ve ever wondered whether fresh cooked diets are safer, healthier, or simply trendy — this episode is your science-driven, judgment-free guide to understanding the truth behind your dog’s bowl.

🎧 Key Takeaways

  • Fresh cooked diets like The Farmer’s Dog and Nom Nom are growing in popularity for their palatability and whole-food appearance.
  • Home cooking requires precise nutrient balancing 
  • AAFCO standards guide nutritional minimums and maximums for complete diets.
  • University of Minnesota researchers discovered a new type of urinary stone (CTT urolith) linked to choline bitartrate used in some fresh dog foods.
  • Past grain-free diet trends led to dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM) concerns, showing how industry trends can have medical consequences.
  • Pet food trends often mirror human diet fads, from paleo to veganism.
  • Diet consultations are increasingly popular as pet parents seek personalized nutrition guidance.


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Dr. Angie Krause (00:00)
Welcome back to Tails of Truth, where we tell the truth about veterinary medicine. I'm Dr. Angie, and this is my co-host and veterinary nurse extraordinaire, JoJo And today we're talking about dog food.

JoJo (00:13)
Yeah, dog diets. I like this topic. The farmer's dog. So it's it's a cooked food. And I have ⁓ husky myths, who is really, really choosy, just will quit eating. And this is the one food that he has just let me feed him for, gosh, we must be going on a year. And another plug for them that I just have to say is they offer a veterinary industry discount.

Dr. Angie Krause (00:15)
What do you feed your dog?

Nice.

Mm-hmm.

JoJo (00:40)
significant discount. So for those who are listening in the industry, check them out. It's worth it.

Dr. Angie Krause (00:42)
⁓ they do. Nice. So for all those

Yes.

I feel like I always hear good things from my clients about the farmer's dog. No one ever says, my dog just didn't like it. Everyone's like, they love it. And I think that only reason why people stop feeding is either they can't go out and buy it. So they have to get it in the mail or because financially, you know, something changed and they needed to do something differently. But I think it's, I think it's really good.

JoJo (00:59)
right.

Right, so maybe we launch there with that type of diet. Because, I mean, there is some issue with it, right? It's heavier in legumes or starches, if you will. Mm-hmm.

Dr. Angie Krause (01:13)
It's a really good brand.

Yeah.

I mean, it can be.

It can be. mean, any recipe is going to have its pros and cons for every dog. But I love this segment of the market, like the fresh cooked. Is that what they're, I think that's what we're mostly calling it is fresh cooked.

JoJo (01:41)
Yeah, I know, I don't know

the difference between fresh cooked and the gently cooked versus the home cooked, right? They're all still a little raw. Yeah, so that would not be this.

Dr. Angie Krause (01:47)
I think gently cooked is kind of still a little raw. Yeah. Yeah.

No, this is definitely not raw. And there are other brands like Ollie, Just Food for Dogs. Maeve is one of those brands. But if you walk into Petco, they just have aisles now of freezers with these types of diets available, which is

Which is really cool. I like them. I'm a fan. Yeah.

JoJo (02:15)
like it and the dogs are a fan. that's,

you I can see though if it was, if I was paying full price, I could understand not being able to do that on a long term.

Dr. Angie Krause (02:25)
Well, yeah, you have two big dogs. I used to feed my pug nom nom now, which is another one. Yes. And that was a little more affordable because he was 14 pounds, but he ended up being so allergic that he ended up on Royal Canin Ultamino I couldn't, I couldn't feed him the food. I wanted to feed him, but I really loved, mean, and I've had him nom nom now, like, I don't know.

JoJo (02:31)
I love nom nom now. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Angie Krause (02:49)
2015 it was that was a long time ago, anyways, I I really I liked it because it came to came to my door and and this is we are not affiliated with any of these brands by the way and It came to my door and it was lovely but it felt good to open up the package and see real food

JoJo (02:57)
Mm-hmm.

I love it. I love it every

time and now we did for a while too, but something about that Bodhi gave up on it. So I would have to change and then come back to it. But for whatever reason, farmer's dog, he's just committed.

Dr. Angie Krause (03:19)
Okay. Yeah.

Yeah, they have good palatability. Shout out to FarmersDog. Thanks for all the palatability. You've probably put a lot of money and research into that. That stuff doesn't... Yeah.

JoJo (03:25)
Mm-hmm.

and thank you for the industry discount. It's such a gift because as

we know, technicians don't make a whole lot of money.

Dr. Angie Krause (03:42)
Right, yeah, veterinary nurse feeding. We'll do another episode.

JoJo (03:43)
That's not this episode. ⁓ Okay,

so I feel like this kind of meal, this commercial cooked meal can kind of go hand in hand with home cooked, right? So they have to be balanced. have to be, what are people looking for when they're doing it?

Dr. Angie Krause (03:56)
Yeah.

Yeah.

when they're cooking for their dog themselves.

JoJo (04:03)
Yeah, like

somebody can purchase it, right? If you have the financial means, you can purchase something like the farmer's dog or nom nom now. But if you couldn't financially structure that into your budget, then you might look at something like a home cooked meal.

Dr. Angie Krause (04:10)
Right.

Yes. So you definitely can cook for your, for your dog. And I use the website, balance it. before I found balance it, so I was a young veterinarian and I created this whole spreadsheet with the help of my, at that time husband who was like an Excel is an Excel genius. And we created, we pulled in all of like the USDA.

metrics of like what a chicken breast and like all the foods we wanted. And we just created this whole big machine to create balanced diets. And then someone, mean, I don't know how many hours we spent on this and probably not as much as I would have by myself because he's so fast at Excel, but then someone was like, Hey, have you heard of balance it.com? And I was like, someone else did that.

JoJo (05:06)
Okay, but to your

credit, first of all, that's fantastic commitment. Second of all, Balance It, they were clunky for a while. It was really painful to use their site. Their site is so good now.

Dr. Angie Krause (05:11)
Yes!

It's so good, but nothing was clunkier than my spreadsheet, JoJo. Like it was pretty clunky, but one thing that that, exercise made me do as we were building this is understand how AAFCO minimums and maximums work. And that's basically kind of the standard of how little and how much of every nutrient does your dog need.

JoJo (05:23)
Okay.

Dr. Angie Krause (05:44)
And so I really got to understand that and to build it. I, I feel like I understand what's happening and I don't know that all veterinarians have taken the time to do that because of course, why would they? I just have a special interest in nutrition. At the time I was trying to help my clients, cook for their dogs. And then I saw balance it, which was still infinitely better than what I built because I was just telling, like I was just balancing these diets for people.

And, which was good. It was fun, then balance it.com. the end of the, like the moral of the story is just go to balance it.com because now their website's really pretty and really easy to use. And they have a supplement where it's basically just made for home cooked diets. If you go buy a vitamin and mineral mix, just from any pet food store online, that vitamin and mineral supplement, like it's a multivitamin it's made.

for already balanced diets. so what Balance It does differently, and I mean, some other people are doing this too, but I don't know if they're doing it quite as well as Balance It, is that it is made to balance a diet. And so basically they will generate a recipe for you or you can create your own. And then they'll say, hey, do three teaspoons of this vitamin and mineral mix.

It's so easy. And then you can change the recipe. If you're one of those people that are like, I like to eat seasonally, then you can change the recipe to, you know, I'm doing more squash or, you know, I have more of, you know, I have more beef right now. And so you can change that. And then it'll tell you how much vitamin and mineral mix to use.

JoJo (07:22)
Right. Or even if you're following Chinese medicine, right, there's time for warm meats and cooling foods. So that could be.

Dr. Angie Krause (07:26)
Yes. Yes. And

yeah, in Chinese medicine, every food has an energetic property. So like lamb is really warming and maybe you don't want to do that if your animal has, you know, excess heat, which Chinese medicine is just a bunch of metaphorical diagnoses, which we should do an episode on that sometime. Yeah. So if you follow that, then you can just make your own recipe on Balance It.

JoJo (07:47)
yeah, we probably should.

Right.

Yep, I've tried home cooking too. Using BalanceIt it was so easy. The issue I ran into is I made too big a batches and then my dog decided no longer wanted the batch that I made. So I mean, I threw in the towel very quickly. It is a commitment. I am so amazed by people and their dedication to show up in that way for their dogs.

Dr. Angie Krause (08:14)
I home cooked for my pug until I had kids. And then that was over. That was over.

JoJo (08:16)
Right. Yeah.

You know, and something we didn't do, Dr. Angie, that is so deserving of space on this episode is we didn't tell the people your experience in the pet food industry. And so that you're speaking from a lot of experience. Dr. Angie has worked in a lot of space of the pet food industry. She worked for I And Love And You, which was, it still is grocery store ready.

Dr. Angie Krause (08:30)
yes.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

JoJo (08:42)
such a fun company by the way with their marketing and

Open Farm, which is a more sustainable, they, Open Farm is, are they cooked? They're cooked diets.

Dr. Angie Krause (08:52)
They

have, yeah, they have cooked diets. have kibble. They have, they have everything. They have freeze dried. They have cans and they have everything. Yeah.

JoJo (09:00)
You guys,

this company is, so their sustainability model is top notch and so much so that they were even looking for, what's the right word? It's not, just gonna go with sustainable again, protein sources. Like they were, they, I don't know if they have it or how well it did once it hit the market, but they had cricket protein.

Dr. Angie Krause (09:20)
No is black soldier fly larva. Yeah. It would, it's along the line of crickets. Like they were trying to use insect protein to move away from animal protein for dogs. You can't do that for cats, but I, I love that. So they created a diet. They created, of, think it's a vegan diet and it could be just vegetarian and not vegan, but, they really are thinking about the environment when they're feeding pets, which I.

JoJo (09:22)
⁓ was it brilliant? I it was cricket protein.

Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (09:47)
It's so cool. I loved them. Yeah.

JoJo (09:48)
Yeah,

yeah, it's such a cool company if anybody wants to check it out. And then your last stint, if you will, was with Stella and Chewy's. And they're a long time player in the raw food game.

Dr. Angie Krause (09:57)
Yeah.

I love Stella and Chewy's. I feed my cats Stella and Chewy's. I use Open Farm too. And I love Stella and Chewy's. They've been around forever. They're one of the OG raw food brands that I think has done a really great job of meeting people where they are and making really safe products. And so they haven't done anything crazy in their innovation that would put my patients in danger. And they have

top notch safety protocols and I love all three of those brands. don't have anything negative to say about them. I loved them and I probably could say anything negative now because I don't work for them but I love them all. Yeah.

JoJo (10:43)
Right. Right.

And I think that's worth mentioning again. Well, you're good. On this episode, people are going to hear a lot of brands dropped and none of them do we have any kind of affiliation with just experience.

Dr. Angie Krause (10:54)
Yeah, I'm under, I've signed no contract with anybody. have nothing going on right now. And so.

JoJo (11:01)
Right.

Yeah, I don't want anybody to feel that they're being swayed a certain way because of money. That's not happening. Yeah. Okay, so let's, I'm glad we could put that in there because I think that's that your experience in this in this field is really important to name. As we're moving off of the cooked food, there is new data coming out that I I've only briefly touched about. And it's that the cooked foods

Dr. Angie Krause (11:06)
No, no, no.

JoJo (11:25)
the cooked diets are heavy. Okay, either the heavy in legumes was part of the issue, right? Was that for the *DCM* That's not new.

Dr. Angie Krause (11:31)
Okay.

That's not new, but we should talk about that in this episode. Okay, but keep going.

JoJo (11:36)
Yeah, the

other piece is that it's causing stones in certain dogs.

Dr. Angie Krause (11:40)
Okay, I wonder if I should just Google this while we're... Because I saw a headline, I know a headline, but this, you we're doing this, this show is, it's... Okay. Okay, so what should I Google? ⁓ Fresh dog food, and it's causing urinary, calcula, urinary... Okay.

JoJo (11:44)
I know, cause you know, no heads up. I'm going to drink while you Google. I'm going to drink coffee. Let me clarify. I'm going to take a sip of coffee while you Google.

Yeah...

I think it's causing urinary stones

in some dogs.

Dr. Angie Krause (12:07)
Okay, let's see what's going on. ⁓ Okay, well the first thing I see, shout out to Farmers Dog, it says treat bladder stones in dogs. They probably have a prescription diet. Love that. Just Food for Dogs also has prescription diets. Love that too. ⁓ Let's see. University of Minnesota, discover new urinary stones, fresh dog food. Okay, let's read it.

JoJo (12:34)
Find it?

Okay.

Dr. Angie Krause (12:35)
Yeah, okay, so this is University of Minnesota. They have a Urolith Center. Okay, that's pretty cool. ⁓ They analyzed stones from around 93,000 animals last year. So this must be where we all send our stones. So even if you send them into like IDEXX they send them here probably.

JoJo (12:48)
Wow. Okay.

Dr. Angie Krause (12:55)
Okay, so basically we're just establishing that they see every urinary stone ever. Let's see, that's happened in the last year. A few years ago, the Minnesota Uroliths Center received a couple abnormal stones. The center employs a technique called infrared spectroscopy, which shoots an invisible light beam through the urinary stones. This produces a fingerprint of the chemicals. Okay, so that's how they figure out what kind of stones, like what it's made of, the components.

Through this process, the center determined that the unusual stones were formed from a naturally occurring organic compound called choline and food ingredients called tartrate. Since there were only two such stones in the tens of thousands the center analyzes every year, the team didn't think much of it. Then all of the sudden we were seeing more and more. Okay. ⁓

outside veterinarians were asking basically what's going on here. ⁓ Dr. Lulich, hope I'm saying their name correctly, and his team knew what was likely the source of the trend and tested their theory by collecting information on the diet of each dog who formed the newly discovered stones called calcium tartrate tetrahydrate or CTT, Urolysis. Okay.

⁓ dogs get choline bi tartrate, the main compound in CTT Uroliths from fresh dog food and through supplements recommended for dogs that eat a homemade food. no.

JoJo (14:33)
Yeah, I just thought that I thought that this just came out recently, or it's at least gaining some traction.

Dr. Angie Krause (14:37)
to ensure their...

Yeah, fresh dog food companies have gained popularity in the last few years, which is true. This is like an exploding segment of the market. As more owners make the switch from dry food, the trend appears to have an unintended consequence. ⁓ choline bi tartrate is generally in fresh food diets that are minimally processed.

Okay. CTT urinary stones have also been reported in people who take muscle building supplements that contain tartrate. Okay. So here's what's going to happen just from working in the pet food industry. Everyone's going to, they're going to fix this because, they, can't have this. They don't want this.

JoJo (15:14)
Yeah.

it on socials and people talking about it and people being afraid. So because now we have social media, so things catch fire very quickly.

Dr. Angie Krause (15:23)
Right, well yeah, because...

Yeah.

no, they named a couple brands. this is such a bummer. Okay. information about each dog's diet, the researchers were able to determine what type of choline bi- tartrate was in the food they were eating. The data showed a clear link between choline bi tartrate, found in some of the most popular fresh dog food brands, including the farmer's dog, Just Food for Dogs and Nom Nom. Like we've literally...

JoJo (15:31)
⁓ they did. Okay.

Oh my gosh!

Dr. Angie Krause (15:53)
And the newly dis... Yes. Yeah. This episode

JoJo (15:54)
Wow, this is gonna be such a great episode because this is... Wow! Okay.

Dr. Angie Krause (16:00)
is now about this. Okay. The newly discovered CTT Uroliths this. Okay. The discovery was published in April in the journal of veterinary internal medicine. Okay. So here's probably what's going to happen, but we should reach out to these brands ⁓ and just say, Hey, what are they, what are you doing? Cause they're going to do something about it. They're going to change the ingredients. Because some of the brands would not disclose what type of choline.

bi tartrate they used, it's still not clear exactly which types may put dogs at more risk for CTT Uroliths. But what I'm hearing probably, what I'm understanding is the farmer's dog, Just Food for Dogs and Nom Nom did. They were transparent. And so we're gonna give them credit for that. But because the new...

JoJo (16:37)
Hmm.

Well, and there's probably more

we're gonna learn, right? What are the breeds of each of these dogs? Are some breeds more susceptible? I mean, there's gonna be next layers of research on this.

Dr. Angie Krause (16:50)
Totally. Let's see. Okay. But because the new discovery found both a new type of stones and its suspected cause, it's basically going to be preventable. It's also possible that if the link is confirmed, brands will change the type of choline bi tartrate they used in their fresh dog food. I think that's what they're going to do. They're just going to change it. I've watched, so I worked for the...

I worked for I and love and you during the whole, grain free, dilated cardiomyopathy, FDA. don't know scandal. It's not a scandal. That's okay. It doesn't matter. HCM is in cats That's okay. It doesn't matter, but I, I just, they, they responded like the whole industry responded to that by adding more taurine

JoJo (17:22)
yeah, did I call it HCM and it was actually DCM? Yeah, sorry about that.

Dr. Angie Krause (17:37)
Everyone was super interested that no one wanted to cause any heart disease in dogs. And so my guess is they were going to say, ⁓ we have this connection and then they're going to fix it. Yeah.

JoJo (17:48)
Yeah, I mean, I'm going to

continue what I'm doing because my dogs have been on it for so long. And my suspicion is there are some maybe breeds or genetic dispositions that are just more prone to it.

Dr. Angie Krause (17:52)
Right. Right.

Right, like they were all shihtzu or like, you know, they were all little dogs.

JoJo (18:03)
Right, yeah, I want to know I want

to know more before I just, you know, sound the alarm.

Dr. Angie Krause (18:08)
Right. But I think this is good if your dog has urinary symptoms and you're feeding these types of foods, then you could say, just bring it to your vet's attention because I, this is the first time I'm actually, I saw a headline and thought, I'll go back to that and didn't. So this is the first time I'm taking the time to understand the connection they're making. And these brands are going to fix this. have, I have full confidence that they'll do something different, but anytime

you do something new, this is what happens. And this is what happened when we went away from grains. were like, we're all going paleo in the early 2000s. I don't know. Is that when people were going paleo? But that's, it seemed like that was the trend. And so we're like, well, my dog should be paleo too. We're going to take grains out of their diet. But in order to make a kibble, you have to have a carbohydrate source. So we put legumes in.

And no one really did any long-term studies of how well dogs digest legumes and what it meant that a significant portion of their protein and their diet was going to be legumes. And the thought is, although we haven't really proved this link, we actually never proved that a grain-free diet caused dilated cardiomyopathy, but a bunch of cardiologists started seeing it.

And once we took them off of their grain-free diet and put taurine back in, they got better. And so the hypothesis is that the legumes are causing some type of malabsorption issue, which that can happen in people too, where maybe you just don't absorb as much. And so dogs were not absorbing the precursors to taurine.

and which are two amino acids. And so they were low in taurine and then they were causing this heart disease that was fatal to a lot of dogs, but was sometimes we were able to reverse it when we added taurine. And so this is kind of what happens when we try new things. There's a little oops.

JoJo (20:08)
Right, but that DCM,

those headlines, that is still very in the front and center of people's minds. It's still very much, I see it in marketing, I see it in the bait headlines of causing fear. So I wonder, so what do people need to worry about?

Dr. Angie Krause (20:25)
Yeah, it is.

Yeah.

JoJo (20:35)
in that.

Dr. Angie Krause (20:35)
Well, I think I'm

careful to feed a diet that has a ton of legumes. And so the new rule kind of is if legumes are in the first five ingredients, maybe it's not the best diet. Some dogs do really well on those diets. I'm not afraid of grains. I think, a little bit of like rice or barley or any of those grains are usually okay for dogs.

A lot of pet food companies that were really hinging on grain free being their thing moved to ancient grains like millet and quinoa and basically the gluten free grains. so I think that's fine. Some people are supplementing with taurine. I sometimes see people do this. They'll feed a grain free diet, which is high in legumes. And then they say, but I put some rice on top.

So it's not grain free anymore. And you're like, wait, that's probably not going to be the fix.

JoJo (21:28)
Right and and with that wasn't there certain breeds with that diagnosis?

Dr. Angie Krause (21:31)
Well,

yeah. So golden retrievers, like we, couldn't, I know sweet babies. ⁓ we could never quite figure out the link. So it was never really proven. Although if you were in practice, you saw it, it happened. ⁓ but we did discover there's something going on with golden retrievers. And so if I have a golden retriever in my practice that can only eat a grain free diet that is high in legumes, it doesn't really matter if there's grains or not, but, ⁓

JoJo (21:34)
you gold ends.

Dr. Angie Krause (22:00)
legume heavy diet, I do supplement them with taurine just to cover the basis.

JoJo (22:05)
Okay, okay, that took a pivot that I did not expect. ⁓

Dr. Angie Krause (22:11)
Yeah. So this

episode became about scandals in the pet food industry now, but it became about what happens when we, you know, do trends. Yeah. Well, yeah. Or when, well, what happens is the pet food industry, they're just following what people want. And so they're following what people are doing with their own diet. So we got into chicken broth, right? And then dogs got into chicken broth and cats did too.

JoJo (22:20)
Learn new information.

Dr. Angie Krause (22:37)
you know, we got into the paleo, then dogs became paleo. So dogs are going to follow whatever we're doing. And sometimes what we're doing isn't really the best thing.

JoJo (22:48)
All right, I mean, including being vegan, there are people who really struggle to, if they're vegan, and I understand this, I can empathize with this, is just they really struggled then to feed meat because of a value perspective to their dog or cat. I know this is dog episode, but that is they have a different biological need.

Dr. Angie Krause (22:52)
yeah.

It's tough. That's a tough one. Cats absolutely can't be vegan. Some dogs do okay. It's hard for me to get behind it. So I grew up, I was vegetarian for most of my life, but it's really hard for me to get behind it for my canine patients. Although I've seen some dogs do okay. But it's, that's rough for people. And I think they don't get a lot of support in the pet food industry or in the veterinary industry. And I can...

JoJo (23:11)
Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (23:35)
completely as someone who didn't eat meat because I didn't want to harm animals for the first 30 years of my life I I really get it and I don't know how to make that one work and some people will say well I'm doing it and I think probably just like people some dogs do better than others depending on their own individual constitution

JoJo (23:58)
Right. That's fair. So yeah, I feel like this episode became more about trends in diet. And so I'm just sitting here thinking, what are the trends currently? I mean, the fresh cooked is trendy. It's, yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (24:03)
I I like it.

And I love it. I still

love it, despite the fact that we, for a short time, accidentally gave some dogs some urinary stones. Like I think we can fix that. And I'm sorry for all those dogs with urinary stones. Like that's awful. you know, that we, I wish we, that didn't happen, but I do think it is offering a lot of benefit and choice.

JoJo (24:29)
Do you also feel that raw is trendy? Or do you feel that's another episode? I feel like raw food is its own episode.

Dr. Angie Krause (24:36)
I love raw food and it is its own episode because I have so much to say about how to do it well.

JoJo (24:40)
Yeah,

maybe we should wrap this episode and record a raw food episode. Okay.

Dr. Angie Krause (24:47)
Let's do it. Let's do it.

But if you're listening to this episode, because we haven't released the next episode, it won't be till next week if you're listening to this episode. If you want to talk about what your dog is eating or anything that's happening with your dog, you can book a consultation with me. Go to boulderholisticvet.com and hit book consultation on the top right and you can reserve some time on my calendar and I'll collect

all your records or JoJo will collect all of your records and I will review them and we'll meet on zoom. It's all recorded and we'll make a plan.

JoJo (25:24)
Yeah, I think you did three of those this week. Diet consultations are very popular.

Dr. Angie Krause (25:26)
Yes.

Yes, yes, I can help you figure out what the best thing for you and your dog would be.

JoJo (25:34)
Okay.

Dr. Angie Krause (25:35)
Okay, see you next time. Okay, bye.

JoJo (25:36)
think that does it. Bye bye.