The Property Perspective
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The Property Perspective
YouTube and Community Building with Maximilian Dier
Entrepreneur and YouTuber Maximilian Dier takes center stage in this episode, sharing his unconventional journey to real estate success. From his early days flipping garage sale finds to carving out a niche in the crypto space before diving headfirst into real estate, Max's story is one of resilience and innovation. Inspired by industry leaders like Pace Morby, Max has built a thriving community around his YouTube channel, focusing on creative finance and real estate strategies that resonate with his ever-growing audience. His entrepreneurial spirit, fueled by his experiences with his business-savvy parents, has driven him to provide free educational resources and foster a supportive network through his venture, Max Dispo.
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00:00 - Hope (Announcement)
What's the real reason most people fail in real estate? It's not what the gurus tell you. In this episode of the Property Perspective, host Preston Zeller sits down with entrepreneur and YouTuber Max Deer to discuss how he found success straight from college, through creative financing, navigating partnerships and building an authentic community.
00:18
From hidden gems to billion-dollar deals. This is the Property Perspective where seasoned real estate pros reveal how they spot value others miss and industry disruptors share the unconventional strategies reshaping real estate. Now here are your hosts.
00:33 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Hey everyone. This is Preston Zeller from Bad Service. I have Max Deer here from Max Dispo, also from well. I'm going to let you talk about your wholesale groups and all the wholesaling you're doing. Welcome to Property Perspective. We're going to get into Max's story and just all the cool stuff he's doing the content creating you're doing, max. I was checking out your YouTube channel. It's awesome and you have a really posh setup, posh setup. You got to say that in English accent. But yeah, welcome Max. How are you doing, sir?
01:06 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
Hey, it's going well. Thank you for having me.
01:08 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Absolutely, max. Yeah, why don't you tell us just a bit about yourself? And I know you have multiple ventures, so if you want to touch on each of them before we go back into the past, I like to call myself a serial entrepreneur.
01:20 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
I have way too many businesses and just love to wake up and work on my new business ventures. I have way too many businesses and just love to wake up and work on my new business ventures. I have real estate investment properties. I have flips going on. I have a YouTube channel where I teach people how to wholesale and invest in real estate whether that's cash wholesaling, creative finance investing I'm just passionate about both. I have a real estate community where everything I do is completely for free. I don't charge. There's no monthly fee, there's no courses, it's just you get in there and I teach you everything you need to know how to build to a six and seven figure wholesale company.
01:51
I recently exited my seven figure disposition brokerage that we helped build from the ground up. Now I am working on different ventures and my main venture is Max Dispo, where I help wholesalers, I teach them how to get their deals on a contract and then I sell their deals or connect them with a disposition shop. So we can talk about all this in a little bit. But I just realized, after building a large scale Dispo company, I realized that most Dispo companies are one not that good, but two you can't trust them to sell your deals. So what I do is, as someone who knows what to look for in a dispo partner, I go, I vet them, I say this guy can sell your deals. I help the wholesaler, I get their contract, I send it to that dispo partner and my goal is to never charge my wholesalers. I can earn a small fee from the dispo partner. So I'm just trying to build an ecosystem for wholesalers and really help them get that first, 10th and then a hundredth deal. And that's me Cool.
02:49 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Yeah, a great overview. Well, yeah, let's. Let's delve into your past a bit. Tell me about you. Know you have any siblings and like, what'd your parents do for a living?
02:58 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
For sure. Yeah, so I mean people look at me now it's like, oh, he's so successful. People think of me like a little celebrity now, which is crazy, because a year ago I just pretty much started this whole YouTube venture. I really started to get full-time in the wholesaling. So everybody, you can get to where I am and I can get to where Pace Morby is and all these people who just work hard. I'm just a regular guy.
03:20
I grew up in a normal family but my dad and mom have always been entrepreneurs. They never had a normal nine to five. My mom was a real estate broker. My dad just did a little bit of everything building cars, building houses so that entrepreneurial vibe has always been in me. When I was 10 years old, you know, maybe some kids were playing video games. I don't know. Some guys were playing with action figures, skateboarding. I would go to the pawn shop, pull up a list of silver prices of coins, go and look at their coins and say, oh, this one's undervalued and do arbitrage trading, buy that coin and immediately walk outside the pawn shop and list it on eBay and make like $10, $20, $30. I think I made $100 once. I was like the richest middle schooler in the world, so it's always. Money has always just been a passion of mine. It's been a game, and a game that I've always wanted to be the best at. I want to be the best at making money.
04:15 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Yeah, uh, that's, that's cool. Um and uh, siblings.
04:20 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
I have a sister and then a half sister, so so funny story. My half-sister is like 50-something, like almost my mom's age. Oh wow, yeah, my dad's an interesting guy, but yeah, just a regular family.
04:32 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Yeah, and what are you late 20s.
04:34 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
I'm 26.
04:35 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Yeah, okay cool. Yeah, you know it's interesting real quick what you were just saying about your parents growing up being entrepreneurs. I think that to me, that has a much greater, maybe, impact on someone becoming an entrepreneur. But it is interesting how many people come from just very especially older generations, normal career jobs or whatever, and they're like I don't want to do that. I'm going to go the more risk prone but also a higher reward route of being an entrepreneur. So good to touch on that.
05:15 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
And you grew up in a what's that it's so funny because I am entrepreneurial like to the teeth where I could not even go into it. We had an office at our old company and I had panic attacks going in there because it's something about an office building freaks me out.
05:30
But my sister, she, she loves working more of like your nine to five. That's just more her. So everyone is so different and I don't think one's better than the other, because you can be super successful either way. It's just which one do. One, do you like?
05:44 - Preston Zeller (Host)
yeah, there's trade-offs, for sure, um, and I've been in both those realms, uh, a lot um, and you know, yeah, you, you have um the predictability and stability, especially earlier, early on, if you're in your entrepreneurial journey. Uh, you don't have that, so that may happen. Take a long, very long time to get to um. So you grew up in social. We were kind of talking about earlier Pasadena, um, what so? What were you like in high school?
06:12 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
um, cool, a little quiet. I had a lot of friends, I played sports. I always had super good grades, but no one knew I had good grades because I sort of like dressed like this and acted like I didn't care. But I was always that that 4.0 student, because if I didn't get a 4.0 my mom would kill me she's very, very strict, which I appreciate.
06:32
So once I went to college, college was an absolute breeze and that's why I think working like I can work 12, 16 hour riffs and it's nothing to me right now, but because in high school, like I was putting, I was putting in the hours or Catalina would have got pissed at me she's an amazing mom, but yeah, I mean I just felt like I was sort of normal, but a little bit, a little bit nerdy. I just kept to myself quiet. I was always thinking I was not good at school. I hated school being in a building. I had panic attacks at school. I just did not function well inside closed buildings with no windows and I was not able to really be myself.
07:11
When someone told me you have to be here at eight and you have to be here at nine and you have to study this and do that, I hated it. I hated it. I wish I could have dropped out in high school, but I didn't. I feel like that's a lot of us as wholesalers, we're not big fans of school yeah, no, I mean, I think you know the entrepreneurial realm anyways, you know it's.
07:30 - Preston Zeller (Host)
I think it's interesting with, like you know, boys growing up. I mean I have a young son and they're just, they're wired so differently than girls and like you tell them to sit still for that long, um, that's just not conducive. You know, you're like it's torturous, as you're kind of alluding to there. Uh, so where'd you go to college after high school?
07:55 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
Yeah. So after high school, I made the big leap of faith and moved to Texas, which was a big deal for me, because growing up, uh, not only did I hate school, I actually had a big separation anxieties from my, my mom, my dad, I don't know if there's an actual diagnosis. But it was pretty hard. I couldn't leave the room. I have to be with them at all times and that's why I think I'm just so close with them now was this even into like high school?
08:19 - Preston Zeller (Host)
was it kind of like that it?
08:20 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
was brutal in elementary school, where I had to miss months of school at a time. Middle school was bad. High school I got better and then, in order to completely like shake off this anxiety, I said, hey, I just got to leave, I just make that big, big leap of faith and go all in.
08:35 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Yes, kind of embrace your fears in a way, exactly so.
08:39 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
I went out to Dallas, Texas, went to the University of Texas at Dallas. I played soccer there. I was a goalkeeper on the team. I had a great time at school. It was a nerdy school, not your party school, which was great for me because when I got there I was having I got scholarships, so I had a lot of money saved up from all my silver selling and all the other crazy stuff I did.
09:02
I would take grapefruits from the neighbor's tree and sell that outside. I just do a little bit of everything. I was just hustling. In high school I had a little bit more legit businesses, but in elementary and middle school you had to figure out how to make some money. But anyways, in college I was paying like $600, $700 a month for renting a dorm room. That was like a quarter of this room that I'm in right now.
09:27
And I was like dude, this is crazy, I didn't know anything about real estate. I genuinely didn't know anything. But I think that was good, because I was so stupid and naive that I went on Zillow and I found this house, you know, five miles from school, and it was a five bedroom, three bathroom house.
09:45
And it was like 350,000. I was like I'm going to buy it. So I was like mom, how do I buy this house? And then she explained to me cause she's a real estate broker, hey, you got to go get a loan, you got to qualify, you got to put 20, maybe 25% down. I was like, okay, so I went up like half of the money. She put up the other half and then my dad went and did all the rehab on the house with me, which was awesome.
10:02
My parents helped me out. And then, yeah, I got the house. It went under my mom's name because I obviously couldn't qualify. I was 17 at the time. But I went and bought a house. I lived in one room. We fixed it up. I rented out the other four rooms. I house hacked. I didn't know anything about it and that's how I started into real estate games. So at 18, I was a landlord and I was out hustling wait, so you were.
10:23 - Preston Zeller (Host)
This was in Dallas, this was in Dallas yeah, I was in California. Yeah, no so buying a garden shack for that.
10:29 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
So I bought it middle of freshman year and then we all I moved in with my buddies uh sophomore year it, you know it's.
10:36 - Preston Zeller (Host)
I've heard this story so many times of people you know house hack, you know running out the rooms just to make. You know a couple extra bucks obviously offset your mortgage. You don't need that big of a house, yeah, and that's how they get into it. You're just like wait a second, I can have other people, it's good, right now I have.
10:57 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
I have those properties I have. Then I bought another one when I was 20. So I saved up all my money and I was like, cause I was cash flowing, I saved up all that cashflow and then I actually qualified. I got three jobs at the time so I would qualify for an FHA loan. I qualified for my own FHA loan, had to put 5% down, paid for all of it myself and the rehab, which was awesome. I was really proud of myself. Like the first one I had my parents help the second one two years later, I could do. On the time I didn't know you could even buy properties off market. All I knew was Zillow and banks. But I went and bought my second one and now, although I regret a lot of how I did things, those two properties right now cashflow me, literally cashflow me about the American average, a medium wage like 50 grand a year in cash. Sick yeah, and appreciation in cash, sick, yeah.
11:48 - Preston Zeller (Host)
And appreciation properties, just those two properties, cash flow in cash as single.
11:50 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
As single would I mean because I'm renting by the room and I get about nine hundred thousand dollars.
11:54 - Preston Zeller (Host)
I get about a thousand bucks a room and so do you chew through your principle then like way quicker well, I I refined in 2020, so I have a three percent rate on them so, yeah, they're just cash flow machines and yeah, it's wonderful.
12:11 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
Uh, I don't ever have vacancies. I could talk about student housing forever. I'm passionate about student housing, um, but they've also appreciated like half a million dollars.
12:18 - Preston Zeller (Host)
So it's like, dude, Texas went bonkers in terms of um, you know, value increases, you know, was your mom savvy on like the investing front? I mean because a lot of agents kind of stay in like a very, you know, I just sell homes and that's all they really do right, yes, but traditional investing the moment it stepped out into wholesaling or creative app.
12:45 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
No, that's not my, that's not my mom, that's actually my dad, because my dad's just been my dad grew up poor. He just figured, figured stuff out and he was like I told him about sub two like two years ago with Pace Morby. He's like bro, I've been doing that for like 40 years. And I told him about raps. He's like bro, I've been a rapper since I was like 15 years old like no, it's funny.
13:05 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Actually my uh, I told you my dad's, you know been in real estate a long time but I remember him giving me like materials from, I mean, ron legrand was kind of a og in the you know, uh, teaching space, but that guy was talking about it a ton right after 07 088. But yeah, I mean, the concepts have been around so much. I think what's so interesting about the whole 2020 to 2022 time period is you had all these investor real estate shows start to come out, but then it also all these people are sitting at home going how do I make money? And it there was this viral effect to you know creative financing type, you know stuff. And then you know real estate investing and, um, yeah, it's kind of interesting time period but uh, okay, so you bought those two homes pretty quickly in Dallas area. Uh, did you finish college?
14:05 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
Yeah, I finished college. I have an MBA degree on the floor that I don't use. I have it. Then I went back and got my MBA Again. I did all the school. I made my mom happy.
14:15 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Okay, got it.
14:16 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
That's worth it to me, but I never ended up using any of it.
14:20 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Yeah, I saw an article the other day that said basically MBAs are certifiably useless at this point.
14:29 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
I applied out of college. Again. I was a straight dang near 4.0 student through high school and college. I was on the honors program. I was everything you could ever want on a degree and I applied to like 200 jobs and didn't get accepted to. Actually I take that back. I got accepted to overnight packing boxes at FedEx from three to like nine in the morning. Oh, nice that was the only job I got with an MBA. Now you could say like I didn't apply well or something. I think I'm pretty good at job applications.
14:57
It was a weird time post COVID and uh, that's why I was just like I had these properties that were cashflow me enough money. I don't. I don't live above my knee means you can see I'm wearing like hobo clothes right now. I'm a really simple guy.
15:09 - Preston Zeller (Host)
That is an LA shirt Like I do. Look LA, everyone listening. It's like a off pink beanie and like an oversized shirt, but those are kind of in style now.
15:22 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
I feel like a little bit of the 90s style yeah. My, my style is coming back, but essentially I was like I got these properties, I'm cash flowing, I don't need to go and work for someone, let me go build my own businesses. So right around when I was graduating from college I started different businesses. Uh, consulting, tech consulting did really well for me. I did that for like two, three years. So then, what kind?
15:43 - Preston Zeller (Host)
of tech consulting did really well for me. I did that for like two three years.
15:45 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
What kind of tech consulting? Startup tech consulting? Uh, actually more in the crypto space.
15:48
So that was when crypto was super hot, I was really good at um, figuring out, like, how to start businesses and everything. A lot of people didn't know like, uh, investor relations and marketing and branding. So I was doing a lot of consulting in that space. Also, finance, just numbers. It was a. It was a weird time where you just sort of had to, like you know, figure out a way to make money.
16:10
During that COVID time, everyone had their own little hustle, so that was my hustle during that time and then, after that, uh, slowed down. I wanted to do something a little bit more meaningful. I was just like I said now I had some savings, right. I was just like I said I now I had some savings, right. I was just trying to figure out what my next venture was. And then I was scrolling on YouTube one day because I'm addicted to YouTube. I've always wanted to be a youtuber. I just never felt like I had something to talk about, so I was just scrolling on YouTube. And then I find this guy named Pace Morby and he's talking about creative finance and wholesaling. And I find this guy named Zach Gin. You know, I find this guy all the different guys Jamil Donji, jerry Norton I'm just like what is my algorithm serving me right now?
16:48 - Preston Zeller (Host)
And I start watching.
16:49 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
I see this guy telling me that me, I'm the best right. I own two properties, I'm like 20, 24 at the time and I'm cashflow, and I got this guy telling me that I could have bought these houses without going to the bank and with spending like little money. No way, he must be wrong. Sub two seller.
17:04
What blew my mind. And I watched like the second, third, fourth video. I was like, what am I missing here? And then I got Zach telling me it's like dude, if you just got the deal, you could sell the contract on the deal. I was like, how did I not know about this? I was a licensed realtor at the time. I was a real estate investor. I thought I knew everything. I didn't know anything. And then I fell down a rabbit hole. And the difference with me is I didn't really start wholesaling, I just started making YouTube videos, sort of documenting what I was learning, because I was like, if I don't know this, there's a lot of people who don't know this. I just want to share what I'm figuring out. And that's how this whole YouTube venture started.
17:46 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Yeah, that's cool that you're I guess you know vulnerable in sharing that journey, because we were kind of talking about before, there's so many people. It's like I'm going to get successful, you know whatever that means. And then, yeah, I'm going to create a channel versus being like, hey, here's my, here's my progress. I'm just, I'm kind of curious real quick. I had this thought earlier but, as you were saying, what, what was your most like a profitable thing you did when you were like slanging stuff in elementary school, but then in high school you said you had other businesses.
18:19 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
Oh man, I'm trying to remember. I got a bad memory Elementary school. It was probably like garage sale flipping, and also then like middle school, I would go to garage sales and just find stuff. I think I hit a few home runs where I made a few hundred bucks Nice, also investing. I mean I was a kid and I was buying. I was addicted to bullion I think that's how you say it so like silver and gold. So anytime I made any money, for whatever reason, I used to be like a super big conspiracy theorist.
18:46
In like elementary school I was like all cash is gonna disappear oh yeah, the world so I just like started hoarding silver and gold like little fractions of gold and those like increased in price substantially physical or like.
18:58
Okay, yeah, I was the weirdest kid, I'm telling you I was weird. So stuff like that, like that I mean. I mean a few thousand dollars when you're young and 10, you know me now it's it's not a lot of money, but when you're a kid and you make a few thousand dollars, it's crazy. You had like a hundred bucks. You were rich, exactly Right. So I don't. Those were more of my ventures. And then high school. High school time was a lot more limited. I did have a couple jobs. Trying to think I think it was mostly that was the, the eBay. That was more. More when I went really hard on eBay flipping.
19:31 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Okay.
19:32 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
I was flipping like video games and stuff like that on eBay I would make. I don't tell my mom, but I would sort of go. My mom likes high end clothes. Yeah, I may or may not have gone into her closet a couple times and found the Louis bags that she didn't like and she that she wasn't wearing, and they may have disappeared on ebay just putting them out there.
19:50 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Hopefully my mom doesn't watch this podcast I'm sure she, I'm sure she knows already and she gave you grace parents know.
19:59
Uh, yes, you're. I wonder what this will go for. Okay, so you had two, those two ventures. This is hilarious to me that you were into bullion when you were in elementary school. That is a interesting one I had. This wasn't really a profitable one, but I remember in fourth grade I traded a. I mean, this is like early 90s. I traded a guy. Do you remember what a Game Gear was? It was like a Game Boy, but it was a different version. I traded him for a cell phone. This is the early 90s, just because I'm like, oh, I'm done with this thing. I didn't make any money off it, but I had a cell phone that worked for like two months and then I didn't know who to call. That was actually the more depressing thing is, who are you calling at that age? Uh, but uh anyway. So okay, you, let's jump back to you and your real estate journey. Um, so I think you said it was about two years ago. I mean, do you have your license in Texas or California?
21:01 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
Uh, Texas, so I came to. Texas when I was 17. So really anything business venture wise mostly happened when I was in Texas.
21:08 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Are you still? Are you?
21:09
still in Texas.
21:10 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
I'm still in Texas. I'm a dfw.
21:11 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Okay, all right, cool, cool, um. Okay. So you're in Texas, you start getting all these, you know um kind of real estate gurus for lack of a better word in your, your algorithm. How did you approach things from there? Well, well, you started a YouTube channel. Walk us through what that was like.
21:29 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
Yeah, so like you said, I mean most people start a YouTube channel when they're already super successful, or at least say they're super successful. I think that's more the latter right. A lot of people start their YouTube channel. It's like I'm making a million dollars a day. Here's how they're not right.
21:45
But I was more vulnerable. I was like I've never wholesaled a property in my life. Let's make a YouTube channel Now. I own some property. So I did have some credibility and I knew about real estate. I knew about finance, but I just started pretty much my. I started off in a creative world. I was like I'm going to take Pace Morbi's videos and then make them more digestible for the average person. So I started making my videos that way. Then I wholesaled a couple of creative deals. I wholesaled a. My first ever deal was a seller finance deal out in West Texas. I it was a FISBO. I didn't go. I didn't know about software's. I didn't even know batch existed. I didn't know anything. All I knew I still only knew Zillow. But now I knew Zillow and creative at that time I didn't even really understand cash wholesaling.
22:26
I got in more through the pace Morby rabbit hole rather than the conventional cash wholesaling which I do primarily now. But I was just like okay, for sale by owner, there's this property, I'm going to call them and I'm going to tell them I'm going to give them no money right now and I'm going to give them 2% interest. And they told me to piss off. I was like, oh, that makes sense. And then I kept following up and I kept following up and kept following up and eventually the guy was like, all right, dude, I like you, you're relentless, like let's do it. I was like let's go. And I ended up selling that deal to a guy named Dan Diaz and he paid me like 10 K. Then I did a sub two deal out in Georgia and then at that point our dispositions brokerage with our friends Riley's friends at the time and then we went and built a big cash dispositions brokerage More like a new Western style business here in DFW. The guys already had a business started.
23:20
Me and my other friend at the time came in and I helped just grow that business like crazy. And that was that's what I was doing the past year, about a year and a half. That's when things started to go absolutely off the charts. I mean, I left a month ago and when I left we had about 30 licensed agents at our brokerage. We were doing about a deal a day, um, and, yeah, all JV deals. So that's really where my strong suit was at the company and that's really where they wanted me involved is I was starting to become a little bit of an influencer. I was teaching people how to wholesale and I taught them how to wholesale and then they started to bring me their deals and then a company would sell them. What we did was just 100% JV deals and we were. We were moving on like we had a pretty good operation going.
24:05 - Preston Zeller (Host)
I want to touch on the YouTube aspect real quick, because I think, well one. Do you think you can do YouTube successfully if you don't really like, enjoy it?
24:15 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
No, no. So yeah, just to give an idea, I think YouTube because even before I started making a pace more videos and I think I made like my pace first pace more video Over two years ago now I was still sort of making YouTube videos behind the scenes but deleting all my videos for about a year before that.
24:34 - Preston Zeller (Host)
So it's been about three years. You were just making them and deleting them.
24:36
What do you?
24:37
mean.
24:38 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
I wasn't happy with the quality. Actually it could have been four. It's probably almost four years now um, just sort of making them. You know, like people I don't know if you're, if you're a music, uh, someone likes to make music. Or you like to write, you probably write, and then you crumble up your paper and you throw them away sure, yeah, you're like that's not good enough to be exposed, yeah right and then eventually I was like all right, it's okay, I'm just going to go embarrass myself.
24:59
Um, but yeah, I mean, for almost four years now and just like three months ago, I started to make money for my YouTube videos and I just had a super successful video for me go out Like last week. It was a pace Morby video, I think it got like. Right now it's like a 2500 views. I got paid a whopping 50 bucks, so it does not pay the bills. I lose money with YouTube. I lose 1000 of dollars a month with YouTube.
25:24
I do it because I absolutely love it, so if you don't love this and love teaching and love having a community. Do not do YouTube.
25:31 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Yeah, what have you found to be the most successful content wise, or format wise, or whatever the case on YouTube?
25:38 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
Okay, so I am really blessed that, uh like, Zach Ginn has been mentoring me. He's been really nice to me. So the flip with rick is that guy, Zach and Rick. At first, what really helped me was making videos about people who are more successful and popular than me, so you sort of ride off of their success, so that's always worked really well for me.
25:59
Now, don't disparage these people. Uh, if you know, if you have something negative to say, I guess you can say it, but it's probably not good for a YouTube video you know, I'm talking about in person, but like those, those are the exposed channels, yeah, yeah right. I mean sure, some of my, some of my videos sort of look clickbaitish, but when you actually watch them, I'm very positive about these people yeah, and then I just made videos about their content and that actually picked up in the algorithm to start to get me views.
26:22
Uh, review videos did well, but, frankly, just authentic. I over edit my videos, I, I, my videos are probably way too high quality, but it's just because I'm passionate about YouTube and it's almost like my art form. I want to put out really good videos. Sure, yeah, it's a reflection of you Exactly. So, like sure, I'll spend I have my editor spend you know, 10, 20 hours editing a video. I don't care, it costs me a lot of money, but it's my art form. But, frankly, just raw content's fine. Like some guy will just click on his camera or his phone just to be like, hey, here is how I wholesale this property, and just crappy mic and everything, and he'll get like 10 times the views I get.
26:58 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Yeah.
26:59 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
Just be raw and honest and don't be like I made a million dollars doing this. Just be someone people can relate to. I'm not the type of guy to be like oh, here's my Lamborghini, I can afford one, I'm not going to buy one. Or here's my big penthouse yeah, I can afford one, I'm not going to buy one. I'm just a regular dude like you. I like saving my money, I like buying stocks, and then I want to buy a farm and get the heck out of the city.
27:21 - Preston Zeller (Host)
And.
27:21 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
I think people relate to me because I'm just authentic.
27:24 - Preston Zeller (Host)
It's funny you say that because I have another channel that's totally different. It's not real estate, but one of the videos I recorded was literally just me in front of my webcam talking about the topic for like five or six minutes and it got picked up in YouTube and it just started going up, up, up up views and I was like, wow, this is weird. You know it's the most unexciting video, but to your point it was just talking, really, you know, heartfelt, passionately about the topic which you know, and I think you can combine that, of course, with uh, production quality and production value where it makes sense to right. I mean, um, as long as it's all you know. So it's funny we were talking about before this.
28:09
I went to uh film school and worked in that industry a bit, but the number one thing I always took away from that was just storytelling and like real storytelling that connects with you know, the human, uh, or the human side of things more than just fluff and like that's why you can go watch a movie that's uh, we'll just talk about maybe snow white for a second Right, um, what a catastrophe that movie has been because, um, it doesn't matter how much money you spend, right, if the story and the things around it aren't very good, then who cares? So I think that translates down to even just the guy with the camera, right? So okay, so you, I, in anything we have YouTube wise, might come back to, because I can talk about YouTube all day long.
28:58 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
So if you, I think more wholesalers and more investors should just get on here and start talking. Yeah, so what?
29:04 - Preston Zeller (Host)
what tips would you have for somebody who is new to this? Because I think it can be intimidating, right? You're like I'm not good enough, I'm not worthy of it, blah, blah, blah. No one cares about my opinion, but I mean you've clearly broken that mold or that thought process. So I mean, whatever, however many tips you want to give for someone who's thinking about going into YouTube, Just start.
29:24 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
And then consistency. So I it was funny yesterday on my live stream and I didn't market this live stream, I just went live. I had a, I think, like peak 70 concurrent viewers, which maybe it doesn't sound huge but stand in front of an audience of 70 people. I just did a talk in front of like 150, 200 people. That was a lot of people. Go in a room and imagine 70 people like and that was live. And then obviously you got more views like that. That's crazy. But just like you know, six months ago when I did my first live stream, I think I had like two, three, four, five, six viewers and I was like, wait, I have six people who are dedicating their time and watching me again. Like, imagine these people are in front of you. That's sick. So don't worry too much about the numbers.
30:05
You put out your video. It gets five views, it gets whatever, like who cares? So just turn on the camera. That's the hardest part. Just turn on the camera.
30:12
If you have a story to tell, like you said, it's all storytelling. Tell your story, post it and then just post another one the next day, another one the next day, another one the next day. It's all about consistency and if you actually really enjoy it like I smile every time I get to post a video or do it then it's for you and don't expect rewards or any type of benefits from the YouTube for at least six months, maybe a year, and then I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. You don't need to be in a position where it loses you money. For me, it loses me money but then it makes me money.
30:45
Like I had a, an agent. She was watching one of my videos and she was like hey, this guy looks trustworthy. Why do I look trustworthy? It's just because I'm on camera, right, you look, you sort of look trustworthy. When you have an audience and she's like oh, I got this deal, do you want it, max? I uh, like a 2010 build for like 90 grand. I was like, yeah, let's lock it up. Turned out to be a squatter house, absolute nightmare, but we still wholesaled it and we made like.
31:11 - Preston Zeller (Host)
I think we made like 50 000 wholesaling it nice, that's great on a single family.
31:16 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
That, yeah, yeah and I was like YouTube, just did that uh huh, so it does pay. It does pay the bills after some time. Just, guys, just turn on the camera and try. I'm telling you everybody started and everyone. And now that I got to meet people and I'm sure you too, Preston, like I've got to meet all the not all of them, but a lot of the big guys like Zach calls me all the time, I got to meet Pace Morby and hang out with him at his house.
31:38
I got to meet a lot of these big guys. They're just regular dudes, I'm just a regular dude, and most people are really.
31:47 - Preston Zeller (Host)
I mean that, like you know, when I was working in the entertainment space, it was funny. I worked at a one of the big talent agencies that, uh, you know just three or four, that kind of rule, that industry, and you know people would come up to the you know eighth, ninth floor and the agents would just fawn and treat them like royalty. And they'd come in and they were just wearing normal clothes. They were normal people. In fact, I got the feeling so many of them were overwhelmed by how much butt kissing was going on during that. And then you'd run into people in those buildings Most of them were really nice and you're like I don't know well, the more you put someone on a pedestal, you separate them from. You know the value of who you are for no real reason other than like something you made up in your head. I think, yeah, but so, uh, what else? What else? Uh, YouTube wise? Uh, could you, could you drop you know knowledge?
32:49 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
I'll drop you some more instead of just like the generic turn on a camera and be consistent because anyone can tell you that let's talk a little bit more specific. So I told you some good tips about you know farming content off of larger celebrities. Uh, review videos do very well. Those are low-hanging fruit that you can do. Also, just, you know the deals you did how you got your first deal.
33:08
If you're a wholesaler, you know just, or just some simple, you know, sort of niche down, like I'm. Really I feel like my strong suit is underwriting because I'm just a finance background. So, like math videos is like where I am the strongest at. But if it was on like text blasting or cold call scripts, like I can do that, but I'm not the best at it. So maybe double down on the content that you're the best at and really niche, niche, niche down, uh, and just sort of be known for that topic.
33:35
As far as thumbnails and all that in in the wholesaling niche, it doesn't seem to matter so much. Again, I spend hours and hours on my thumbnails because it's a passion project of mine. Don't need to worry about it too much. Titles I still think are really important. So throw your videos. What I like to do after I record a video, post it as unlisted, then wait like 30 minutes, then go to your YouTube video, scroll down in the description, click transcript, copy paste your entire transcript, throw it into chat GPT and say chat GPT, generate me the 10 best titles then, chat.
34:10
Gpt will generate you the 10 best titles. Choose one of those, post it and then say hey, write me an SEO friendly description. Take that description and the keywords, post that into your YouTube video description and then make your video public. That will significantly help your algorithm much more than your thumbnail would in the wholesaling niche. If we're making, if you're making Mr Beast type content day in the life, this, your, your thumbnail matters so much yeah, in the wholesaling space again.
34:38
More of the authentic raw content seems to perform better. Like you were saying, Preston, a good title, but then guys, camera doesn't matter. So the camera I'm rocking now, if you can afford a thousand bucks um, you know, I like the ZV-E10, uh, then you would want to get a lens, so then you're probably in it like 1500 bucks. Absolutely Don't need to spend that. I got like a $3,000 camera there. You don't need that. Um, what I would recommend you can rock on a webcam there's some good 1080p webcams.
35:10
Those are going to be about 100, 150 bucks, and then, once you're ready, then step up to something like this so DSLR is what you're talking about, right?
35:17 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Or like you have a mirrorless DSLR?
35:19 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
Yeah, I have a mirrorless DSLR. So those are. You know it's going to run you with the lens because the lenses are a lot more money, like 1500 bucks but I think you can all start on a really good webcam.
35:27
That's like 150 bucks. But, guys, more important than the camera is the mic. Mic is way more important than the camera. A good mic starts at about 100 bucks. I think that's where your money should go first, buy a good mic, don't worry about your camera too much. You can get a whole YouTube setup, a budget one. I did budget for three years. I did budget for three years and got a lot of traction, and then I just spent 15 grand on my studio yeah I spent, combined, like 400 bucks and was rocking that for years, so you don't need to spend a lot of money.
36:00
Just get a good mic. Then after that, guys just turn on the videos and just go. I like to record on OBS studio and then you're good to go and you start making your content. Now the last thing I'll say is have a funnel, so maybe funnel your people somewhere. It's like hey guys, thanks for watching, make sure to join my free discord community. That's what I do. Make sure to go, check out my Facebook, my Instagram, like wherever you want to be the most active, because YouTube is not a home for a community. YouTube is just a place for people to watch videos. Funnel them to your Facebook group, funnel them somewhere.
36:33 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Yeah, no, dude, that's all awesome. People will forgive bad video. They don't forgive bad audio as much. Exactly, right, it's just something about our, you know, it's like nails on a chalkboard, right. I mean, even if someone talks weird, we're like ah, I don't really. I don't know if I can listen to this person talk very long, uh, but if you have a good mic, um, it's just yeah, bringing that clarity, um, and I love what you said just about, uh, you know, not obsessing over the quality of the different materials. I mean, you can, man, and I think the cheaper mics, uh, and go with, like a good company, I'd say too, just to add to that Um, so, like I'm on a road.
37:21
Yeah, I think I am, yeah, sure, sure, but road is good. Um, like, don't buy like a random Chinese mic or something like that. Yeah, sure, there you go. Um, I think we're probably the same mic in different colors, uh, but yeah, I mean, that's um, it's just, that's good. It gets overlooked. And that video I was actually telling you about that was just me talking. It was on this mic, the webcam, right. So I think if I was just on using the webcam mic, which is terrible, I don't think I'd get people listening that long. So let's talk about your, your real estate, a bit more. So, in addition to let's talk about your real estate a bit more, in addition to, of course, your podcasting or your content creation on YouTube, you broke out of this company, you said very recently, right?
38:14 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
Yeah, broke out very recently. You want to hear more vulnerability. That was a really tough time for me.
38:19
Tell us about that, like I said, there was two other partners at this company and me and my friend at the time. We joined he was my friend from college and then we really helped, scaled it. They was a small company then and we brought it up to one of the largest disposition shops in DFW I think we were the second or third largest dispo office at the time. So new Western has multiple offices.
38:45
If you guys don't know who new Western is, a lot of people, a lot of my wholesalers, will send me deals from new Western and be like do you want to wholesale this? One Like, is this a good wholesale deal? I was like no, they, they, they. They only sell to end buyers. So, guys in the cash world, if you're in the creative world, you don't even know who new Western is. New Western is like the biggest shop for selling your cash wholesale deals. They JV with wholesales wholesalers or they go like they have some direct to seller or they also do a lot of direct to agent and pocket listings and then they just sell deals and they're an absolutely large company. You're talking a eight, nine, nine figure company Like it's. They're absolutely huge.
39:20 - Preston Zeller (Host)
They'll sell deals for you, you.
39:22 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
You mean, yeah, they'll sell they'll sell deals for you, right? They're? They're a dispositions partner. They don't use investor lift on the ground. So they have offices all around the country and that's what we had.
39:32
Right, we were a lot more of a fan of the boots on the ground model. Don't get me wrong. You can absolutely dispo virtually investor lift and these other softwares are wonderful tools, but we've always liked the idea of having a boots on the ground dispo team. So we had this really great office we had. We built up to almost 30 agents. Everyone was licensed.
39:52
We would have acquisition agents who would go find deals from wholesalers, sourcing, Facebook or a lot of it came through me, through my YouTube channels and it's like hey, I got, hey, I got this deal. Max is a good deal, absolutely. We locked it up and then we sold it for them. You'd either do like a JV method or a MAO with a fee on top. If none of the, if all these words don't make sense to you guys, don't worry, it's not a big deal. Um, but yeah, we would just move deals, we'd sell them for wholesalers and you know we were doing really well.
40:20
But at the end of the day, the partners and I didn't see eye to eye on how to run a business and I poured a lot of my heart and soul into it and I had to make the tough decision to step away and just bet on myself. So it reminded me a lot of when I came out here to college, right? So that story I told you early on, where I just had to go all in. I just had to go all in and bet on myself, that at the end of the day, I think I'm making the right decision and, um, I'm not going to let other people hold me back. And I can get into more specifics if you want, but partnerships are tough. Partnerships are really tough.
40:52 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Um, and I, at least for the foreseeable future, I think it's best if I just run my own destiny yeah, I, I mean I do, you know, I, I appreciate you sharing that and I think it's good to be aware of that. You know, actually I was just at an event this past weekend, uh, a lot of real estate entrepreneurs. But you know, one guy I met had, you know, I think he's been in the business like 25 years, so I don't I want to say he's like mid late fifties, but, um, he wanted to really turn his portfolio into a family office. Eventually they're bringing in you know really good amount of money. There's a lot of wealth uh been it's been created by their portfolio, you know, for kids or something like that. So he bought out his partner.
41:38
But, as interesting as we were talking, he's like as soon as he bought out his partner, which went really smooth, uh, he changed a ton of stuff.
41:48
It's like the guy was kind of pissed at him, but at the end, any, and you know, sort of predictably, he's like I didn't change it before because it wasn't worth the fight, and I think you're going to have that in partnerships where it you are going to have a lot of disagreement, um, that that sometimes those are just like too much to um overcome, in the sense that you're like you can't, you can't have a meeting of the minds, right, that's okay. Okay, I think it's good to move forward and be like I'm going to go, you know, I'm going to go alone for a while and maybe somewhere along the way you do meet someone, or you're like I really want to work with this, this person I'm. I'm a personally, I'm a firm believer that don't have a partner unless you really feel like you need one. Like why would you? Why make it more complicated? Yes, there's value in like the outside input and like bouncing ideas, but you don't have to necessarily have a partner to do that. I'm curious your thoughts there uh, absolutely I.
42:50 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
I think people try to do partnerships mostly because they're lazy and they don't want to learn the other side of the business that they're weak at.
42:58
They're like I'm really good at this business, but I'm not good at this part. Let me just get a partner. Well, maybe you should just go and stop being lazy and do those things that you don't like to do. So if you're not good at accounting or financing, like, go do that or do enough of it so that you can go and hire out and actually put people on your payroll and hire out. I was terrible at that, guys. I admit I was terrible. So I was like a lot of things I'm not good at, let me join this company. There was too many cooks in the kitchen. I think we're like six total partners. When now, two months later, I currently have like a staff like I have payroll of five employees already and I got people doing books, I got people here, people there and I'm still hiring out. So now I'm learning.
43:35
The hard truth at 26 is I could have a lot of the stuff. I could just hired out and run my own business, which is what I'm doing now. I was just trying to be cheap and lazy and try to make partnerships and not put people on payroll. So there's different. There's different ways of doing it. But yeah, you don't. You don't need a partnership for everything. But at the end of the day, what really happened was that I think it's important to have, like your red lines and your core beliefs and if and if uh, something oversteps, whether that's objectively right or wrong, it doesn't matter. It just matters what you think about it and you know they, they tried to overstep in a place where I did not find was fair Uh, they wanted to own uh my social media, uh, and what I produce, and how I produce property of the company type, deal property of the company type deal Property of the company.
44:21
That happens a lot with partnerships. And again I understand their point, that's fair. I did not agree to that and at that point I was like, hey, no, my personal brand is my personal brand, the company is the company. So at that point I just had to step away.
44:42 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Yeah, that's an interesting grab attempt there, Cause it's like who, who is going to give that up? And I, you know some of what you're saying too. I was thinking about this earlier, you know, for people who are, you know, working somewhere like it's, it's good to have other things that you can experiment on, that can be, you know, that may fulfill you in in a different way and maybe those things turn into something that does become your main thing one day. But you do have to put in that time. I mean, I think I I've met so many people who are like, quote unquote, stuck at a job but don't want to put in the work to go on to something else. You're like that's not the way it works. So tell us about your community.
45:24 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
The community is everything to me. So I I think I learned that really well from pace is just watching him and talking to him Very authentic about how his community is. Very it's like a, it's like an offshoot of his family. And when I when I first heard about him, I was like, oh, this is just some front right, he doesn't really care about his community that much. But I actually got out there and saw him. He was in his house. He had random people from his community just rushing through his house and doing this and that and I would have been like get the heck out of my house. They were eating his food, they're in his kitchen, they're downstairs. He loves it because they're his family. And the more I'm doing this, the more I'm realizing like my community is my family.
46:04
A little tip to everybody If you're going to start on YouTube or you're not going to start on YouTube, you're just going to start to do social media whether it's Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, it doesn't matter. Be careful about pay walling your community too early. I think that's one of the reasons why I've had so much success is that everything I do for my community is free to a point where it's almost stupid, like. The value proposition that I provide is unmatched anywhere. Again, maybe Zach Ginn is the same as me, because at the end of the day, I'm making money dispoing deals, or maybe I'm going to come out with my own software's here soon. I don't at the time at least for the time right now need to pay well in my community Now. That could happen in the future. I could release a course if I find it valuable enough. I could put a monthly subscription on my discord community. But a lot of times right off the bat, people are saying join my this and pay me a few hundred dollars a month when they haven't even built a brand or community. So work the Alex Hormozy model and just do everything free and do it the best and then at some point you can monetize it.
47:05
But yeah, community to me is everything. I have the wholesalers, which is my pirate real estate wholesaling community and we go and plunder properties together and we have a great time and I teach you how to wholesale cash deals, whether that's single family or land a little bit of multifamily, but mostly single family and land. I love land. Land's been killing it for me, infill lots and I also do a lot of creative wholesaling and investing, too sub two seller finance innovations, and we just have a good time. We have live streams Awesome. How big is your community now? Currently, it is over 2,500 people. Nice.
47:42
And what I'm proud of is that's with no marketing spend. So, other than my YouTube, I haven't run any ads. So now that I guess you could call it proof of concept Now I'm going to go out there and just start actually growing it and hitting with ads. So my goal is 10,000 by the end of the year.
47:58 - Preston Zeller (Host)
And I think I can. I think I can hit that. Nice, yeah, I was going to ask you that, um, what your goal is. So that's a good goal to have. Um, and then max dispo, uh, tell us more about that.
48:07 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
So, exactly. So after I left um the company and this has been in the makings for a few months, cause you can see when a partnership starts to go downhill I really started to think to myself do I want to go and build a different dispositions shop? It's very resource heavy. It takes a lot to build a good boots on the ground. I can't compete on the virtual dispositions. There's people who are wizards with investor lift. That's just not me. I'm more of a uh. I just know what I know and really what I.
48:34
I looked at the, the, the principles of what I do, and what I'm really good at is building a community and getting JV deals and helping wholesalers get properties under contract and then either sell them, or at least I know someone that can sell them well, and that's what I ended up just building. So Max Dispo, my company, will launch here in about a week officially and what we do is I will comp all your leads for free, I will lend you earnest money and OM for free, but, more so than anything, you can just trust me. At this point, I feel like I've built enough trust where I will just help you with your deal.
49:09
And then I'll help you get on your contract and then what I'm going to do is I'm going to find the best person, no matter where they are in the 50 states, because I have a really good network now and I'm going to give them your deal. I may sell it myself, like last week I sold. I have a good buyers list myself, so sometimes I'll move it myself to one of my VIP buyers. I just moved one. Last week my wholesaler made 6k I made 6k easy win.
49:31
But I'll just I may just connect it to a dispo shop and then they'll pay me a little referral fee and for you it's just business as usual. So you essentially just got someone to help you lock up your deal, gave you free lending, gave you free comping and then connected you with the best Dispo partner. That not only is good, but they can trust that they're not going to double close on you and they're not going to do you dirty, and you didn't have to pay for that service. So that's what I'm trying to offer. It's just a network for wholesalers to match with Dispositions partners, and it's been going good. I mean, we sold a deal last week, we sold another deal the week that same week.
50:05 - Preston Zeller (Host)
This week we have we should be moving at least two deals this week, so it's starting to ramp up pretty well. Awesome, and you know, I know you mentioned the 10,000 members in the community. But where, where are you hoping to go with all this? Is there some kind of master plan for you? Is it just kind of? Are you seeing a year out? Are you like a 10 year out guy with grand visions, like you know? How do you think about that?
50:30 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
10 years out is hard for me. Uh, I think it's had a quote where it's like you know, people overestimate the change in a year but then underestimate the change in 10 years. I cannot imagine where I'll be in 10 years, but three years from now I think I can imagine pretty well and I just want to have an amazing wholesale ecosystem. So I teach people how to find deals. I have a brand called. I have all these different brands and companies. I'm starting that I've been working on for a few years and I feel like 2025 and 2026 are finally my years where everything is launching. I'm going to have tons of different types of free courses. I have an amazing community. We'll help you get your deals under contract. I'm releasing all these different tools and softwares Nothing crazy like batch service, but just little tools to help wholesalers out and then, once I get their deal, I just want to be able to sell them and just want to build a really cool ecosystem for wholesalers and just a good home.
51:23
What I'm realizing the more I'm doing this is the OG guys, and most of them are where you are. They're in Phoenix and we're talking. Hayes, Jamil Brett and, like Jerry, they're all retiring. Right, I love those guys, but they're all. They're all at the age where they are successful, right, I love those guys, but they're all. They're all at the age where they just, they all successful. They've won the game right. And those are the guys who, like, really started all of us with wholesaling and they're all, in the next few years, going to retire and there's an amazing opportunity for a new generation to take their seats and make them proud. You have a few people who have stepped up. Um, you know, like I said, Zach, obviously, um, Richard Taylor's been doing a great job on the creative yeah, we work with him, yeah, yeah, he's a great dude yeah, and so he's like the mini Pace Morby.
52:08
Uh, you have this young guy named cam who's doing a really good job. You have some young guys. I'm trying to step into that throne and hopefully, uh, fill their seats and make them proud. So if there's any other young guys out there like this is, or even you don you know even about the young like if this is, if you, just if you're in this for the next 10 years like this is a perfect time to get into the wholesaling space.
52:27 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Yeah, that's awesome. Um well, where can people check you out, Max?
52:32 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
Absolutely so. So my YouTube channel, for sure, guys, it's type in Maximilian deer. I go live a couple of a week. Yesterday we just went live and I dialed like 1000 people with a super sick 14 line multidialer. We had a good time. But my wholesalers discord community is where I'm the most active. So it's just the wholesalers.com, but it's a wholesaler spelled w h? O l e s a I l o r s. So like sailors, like you're sailing a ship. So just go to thewholesailors.com and just come and hang out with me. Guys, like I said, I'm not going to charge you for anything. I just want to genuinely help you get your first deal, because it's a win-win. So why not help you get your first deal, your second deal, your 10th deal?
53:13 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Yeah, and I mean, if you can't take advantage of free content, then what are you doing?
53:21 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
Yeah, and I've had a lot of. I've had a lot of people tell me like and I understand it, that's pace Morby's uh thought processes he's like you know charge for things because at the end of the day, like if they're not willing to pay, they're not willing to put in the work anyways, uh type thinking. And. I understand that, and but I'm not there, so take advantage of everything I have for free.
53:45 - Preston Zeller (Host)
Yeah, cool.
53:45 - Maximilian Dier (Guest)
Well, thanks, max, it's been a pleasure chatting with you and glad you got to come on the podcast.
53:48
Well, thank you guys so much. And then guys go use bachelors. I use them every single day. Just want to quick shout out to you guys the comping is the fricking best. Uh, non-disclosure state data sometimes hit or miss, but the comping experience is God tier. You guys are my God tier for comping the software user-friendly. It's my favorite user-friendly software. The data is good. I'm using the data in my own software's so I approve of your guys' data. It's so good and you guys are the absolute best software for anything to do with on-market wholesaling. So we didn't talk a lot about on-market wholesaling. On-market wholesaling with realtors and pocket listings is what I do the most. I call it the Zillow, infinite money glitch. I literally print money from the sky and the best software for that is BatchLeads. So we didn't get to talk about BatchLeads much or BatchData. But I love your guys' products. So thank you so much for allowing me on this podcast.
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54:42 Preston Zeller (Host)
I appreciate it.
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