Remote Viewing and Non-Local Consciousness

Have you ever experienced a moment of knowing something you couldn't possibly know? A flash of insight about a distant place or a lost object's location that defies logical explanation?

The boundaries of human consciousness remain one of our greatest mysteries. In this mind-expanding conversation, we journey into the fascinating world of non-local consciousness and remote viewing—the ability to perceive information about distant or unseen targets using only the mind.

We share remarkable stories from our own experiences, including unexpected visitors who demonstrated their remote viewing abilities by describing places they'd never been with astonishing accuracy. You'll hear about finding stolen bicycles in a city of 90,000 people through unexplained intuition and instantly locating lost items in the jungle with seemingly supernatural precision.

The conversation takes an even more extraordinary turn when we discuss dreamwalking—the experience of one person consciously visiting another through dreams. This firsthand account challenges conventional understanding of how minds connect and communicate.

We also explore famous documented cases of remote viewing, including Ingo Swann's viewing of Jupiter's rings before scientific confirmation and Joseph McMoneagle's work locating a Soviet submarine through psychic means.

Throughout our discussion, we maintain a balance of openness and healthy skepticism. Are these phenomena truly paranormal, or do they represent natural human capacities we haven't fully understood? The answer might lie somewhere in the quantum entanglement of consciousness itself.

Whether you're a believer or skeptic, this episode will leave you questioning the true nature of human perception and the possibility that our minds connect in ways science is only beginning to comprehend. Subscribe now and join our community of curious minds exploring the uncanny side of existence.

Transcript

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Non-Local Consciousness & Remote Viewing

Speaker 4 2:11

Jesus. What are we? Alright? We are talking about non-local consciousness and remote viewing, this episode, that is, the ability to suss out information about a distant or unseen subject using only the mind. You see, consciousness is not confined to the physical brain. It is a something that extends beyond the limitations of space and time, and the mushy grey matter just acts as a receiver Out-of-body experiences, near-death experiences, other woo-woo phenomena, along with things recognized by the big brain community like entanglement all support for the idea of a universal, interconnected consciousness. Remote viewers tap into this to try to describe targets like people, places or events, with information received as fragmented images, feelings or abstract symbols. So basically, like how I feel after St Patrick's in Dublin.

Speaker 2 3:08

This is my relaxed mode with the microphone.

Speaker 3 3:13

This is not so bad.

Speaker 2 3:14

Are we?

Speaker 3 3:14

recording. Yeah, it's recording right now All right cool Like I kind of like this.

Speaker 2 3:19

So remote viewing when I was a district ranger down in the Shasta Trinity National Forest.

Speaker 4 3:26

Maybe turn off the background AC noise.

Speaker 3 3:29

How hot are you? I'm fine, okay, I'm hot baby.

Speaker 2 3:35

Anyway, I was a district ranger down in Shasta T yeah, and it was a South Fork management unit. I'm just sitting in the ranger house one night, you know, and I'm living down there, right, I just come home on weekends and stuff.

Speaker 3 3:51

There's one house for all the rangers. No, okay, no, there's this old house?

Speaker 2 3:56

Yeah, it's actually a historic landmark built by the.

Speaker 3 4:00

And you call it the ranger house.

Speaker 2 4:01

Yeah, it was called the ranger house because it used to be the Ranger Station in. Platina, california. Yeah, and it used to be the Platina District, but then they combined districts and called it the South Fork Management Unit, so it was Platina and Hay Fork. Okay, where is Platina? For those of us that don't know, so Platina is in right above the Yoliboli Mountains and the Yoliboli Wilderness, Starting like Sacramento or San Francisco. No picture Redding California.

Speaker 3 4:34

Okay.

Speaker 2 4:35

And as you're driving kind of northwest of Redding, there's a sign you know those curvy road signs with the arrow, the curvy arrow on it. Yeah, yeah, it says like the curvy arrow on it. Yeah, it says like the curvy arrow and it says next 192 miles.

Speaker 3 4:49

I swear to God.

Speaker 2 4:52

That's where the Sasquatch cross. There is not. There's only one straight stretch on that entire road. It's like 300 yards long and people would always say I'll meet you at the straight stretch. And my first time going up the road I see these forest service people pulled over and they're they're vomiting. And I pulled over and said hey, you guys okay. And they're like go, keep going.

Speaker 2 5:13

I said I'm the new ranger and they're like go we don't want to meet you and uh, yeah, the dogs would always get sick when I take them up there and it was you-mile-an-hour curves, 10-mile-an-hour curves, but anyway you could get up there. And then there's another way down called the Ditch Grade. That was equally as curvy, if not more. So I'm sitting in the ranger house one night about dusk and there's a knock on my door. Well, that's very strange, unless it's a firefighter, because we're on the compound. And I go to the door and there's this man and this woman standing there and they're in their 50s and they said we're just looking for the district ranger. I said, well, that's me. And then we start talking. I don't even remember what we're talking about. And uh, they said are you?

Speaker 5 6:08

native, yeah, and they said you know, we study with this guy. He's not native but he was trained by native people.

Speaker 2 6:18

I said tom brown, yes, tom, brown, some people like him, other people don't. There's good and bad about him. He's basically a survivalist.

Speaker 3 6:29

Yeah, he's like Bear Grylls before Bear Grylls yeah.

Speaker 2 6:33

And I think he used to train special forces and rangers back during the Vietnam era. And he also has written several books, you know kind of unusual books have you ever gone to any of his courses? No, I don't have that kind of money. You know he charges money for it.

Speaker 3 6:58

I actually think he was part of the the men who stare at goats also you know, like, like he was one of the one of the trainers yeah, for the one was a trainer for the one earth army okay and then, uh, so he trained george clooney to like kill a goat well, something like that, yeah, but there, I think, is the remote viewing part and he.

Speaker 2 7:19

They also made kind of a movie about him. They based the movie the hunted on with benicio del toro and tommy lee jones oh okay, so I'm pretty sure I'm not. I'm not 100 sure.

Speaker 5 7:30

Yeah, that's what they based on, but um, anyway, and so we start talking about tom brown and they said we're just getting back from a, from a workshop we did with Tom Brown on remote viewing.

Speaker 2 7:45

And you know I'm kind of I believe people, but I also Right A healthy dose of skepticism. Yeah, I'm also very skeptical and the guy has this like shopping bag and he said we well we um.

Speaker 5 8:06

Well, we brought this for you.

Speaker 2 8:11

Uh, okay, I invited them in the house.

Speaker 3 8:12

Yeah.

Speaker 2 8:13

So we're no longer on the porch talking, offer them something to drink and and we're drinking tea in the living room. And I opened the bag and it's uh, it's coyote tobacco. I said, well, thank you, said and, uh, you brought this for me.

Speaker 6 8:29

and they said, yeah, you see part of the remote viewing class yes, the first step it was to picture this canyon, a real canyon, on the other side of the hill, and Tom. Well, he wanted us to project ourselves to it and describe what we saw there.

Speaker 5 8:50

Yes, that's right, and all I could see was a Coca-Cola advertising and it was strangely showing only when a blinking orange light illuminated it. That's what I found odd. You know, coke is not an orange brand, it is red. I have to tell you it was weird.

Speaker 6 9:13

And I saw a canyon with a red layer running through it, you know, not uncommon for California, but distinctly a red layer. Also, I pictured the body of a green car, a wrecked green car.

Speaker 5 9:25

Other people reported what they saw. Then they had us drive to this canyon, actually get in our cars and go there. You know what we saw.

Speaker 6 9:37

A canyon with a red strata line through the canyon wall. We had never been there before.

Speaker 5 9:44

Up by the road was one of those orange and white-striped road barriers. Mitch, there was an orange flashing light on it and below the barrier there was a crushed Coca-Cola can. That's not all. Below that there was a wrecked car.

Speaker 6 10:03

A green wrecked car that the barrier was warning about. That is what we saw.

Speaker 2 10:10

And I'm still skeptical. I'm like, yeah, that.

Speaker 3 10:13

Right, like maybe they were fed information before.

Speaker 2 10:15

Yeah or whatnot. And then they said he told them to just relax and meditate.

Speaker 5 10:27

We relaxed, we meditated. That was when I saw him.

Speaker 6 10:34

Yes, we saw two things.

Speaker 5 10:37

Yes, I saw him Smokey Smokey the Bear Also. I saw a long-haired man. I couldn't make out his face.

Speaker 6 10:49

I knew we wanted to speak with him.

Speaker 5 10:51

We had to find him and speak with him. We told Tom about our vision. He said well then, we needed to find this man and talk to him. We drove around and we stopped at the first ranger station. We saw Mitch, your ranger station. When we saw you there outside we knew it was you we had to talk to. I'm like all right.

Speaker 1 11:19

Now I'm waiting for the con Right right right.

Speaker 2 11:21

You know, I used to be a con artist, yeah.

Speaker 3 11:24

Yeah, I've heard.

Speaker 2 11:25

Kind of a carny, and I'm waiting for the con. I'm waiting for them. They've given me this gift of tobacco. They've somehow researched me given me this gift of tobacco.

Speaker 3 11:36

They've somehow researched me and uh, and they said well, you ever seen a grown man thinking maybe, maybe they're swingers or something?

Speaker 2 11:44

yeah, but no, they, they, uh, give me this thumb drive. And they said this is uh, oh, no, this. And I didn't put it in my computer right away, I didn't put it in my government computer.

Speaker 5 11:57

This is just some recordings of Tom.

Speaker 2 11:59

We wanted you to have them and we just talked about remote viewing and they said you need to have more faith in yourself.

Speaker 6 12:09

This is the message we need to bring to you have more faith in yourself.

Speaker 2 12:14

Yes, and in what you can see you are special, like all right, and then they got in their car and they drove away.

Speaker 3 12:24

I've never seen them or heard from them again, was it like a dark sedan with no plates?

Speaker 2 12:30

I don't remember what the car was actually, but you know, and they were just kind of a I would say Not really a hippie couple, but you know, just Unusual for me, nobody dressed in black suits, they were dressed like Oregon hikers.

Speaker 1 12:47

You, know, Patagonia type stuff, Columbia wear yeah.

Speaker 3 12:53

In fact, I've got 10 ways to make a fire. Yeah, and thinking back, I think they were driving like a Subaru you know, Outback or something yeah.

Speaker 2 13:03

But anyway, that was my experience with remote viewing and I've tried it many times. I've tried to do remote viewing.

Speaker 3 13:10

Do you think it's successful or have you validated it?

Speaker 2 13:13

No, I'm not successful.

Famous Remote Viewing Stories

Speaker 3 13:15

I I'm nothing special okay so you just know for a fact you're not successful.

Speaker 2 13:20

Well, yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm not successful. I've also tried, you know, using the force, and I've tried to, you know, sure, transform into other animals. And who hasn't come? On yeah, other than growing a few tails now and then yep, I tried it one time.

Speaker 3 13:41

I was laying in bed and I just wanted to know what it was like in the middle of the ocean, and I had a glimpse of like a like a humpback whale and right in the layer where light is not penetrating anymore.

Speaker 3 13:54

So mostly what I saw was dark and a lot of nothing, just a lot of like ocean, nothing in it. But there just happened to be this whale kind of there and then I was like, oh well, that's kind of cool. But I'm like 98% sure my imagination made it and that it wasn't something real that I like, saw you know what I mean. But it still doesn't make it not cool.

Speaker 2 14:16

It was still kind of cool well, you know, I've transformed into a human once. Oh, and I hate having to do that and I just can't seem to get out of this body ever since humans are hard and kind of gross, they don't even have enough fur to do anything.

Speaker 3 14:34

Nah, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 14:41

And these little tiny things to sit on.

Speaker 3 14:50

I've tried to remote view as a different animal even Tried to project myself, master style. Yeah, exactly, and yeah, I've seen a lot of things, but I think I just have a very good imagination who knows, though, right like, maybe really you're beast master and I can see into the ocean where there's nothing going on well, you know, I've perched as a raven outside other people's windows and looked in on them and that was a little embarrassing because, trust me, no one wants to see that you ever hear of the book Spoonbenders.

Speaker 3 15:26

No, but I know what spoonbending is, so it helps.

Speaker 2 15:29

No, the novel Spoonbenders. I forget who wrote it. Let me look that up, Possibly one of the best novels I have read. Daryl Gregory wrote this novel called Spoonbenders and it's one of the best novels I've read. It's basically about a woman who was psychic she was the real deal, you know remote viewer and her husband who was kind of a like me, kind of a con, and they have children and the children all have different abilities, but the husband, he's a magician, he's a con artist and a magician. Okay, and it's just a really good book about the kids using their abilities to do certain things. And it's called Spoonbenders. One of my professors, Dr Hyman at U of O, I don't know if you remember him- I don't think so he was a psychology professor.

Speaker 2 16:35

He was an amateur magician.

Speaker 3 16:39

Yeah, the name sounds familiar.

Speaker 2 16:40

Anyway, he was my favorite professor and he had paid his way through college being a mentalist, a card reader, a tarot card reader and a palm reader and he kind of taught me how to read palms and how to read the tarot cards and whatnot, and he always warned me that I would get so good at it that I would start to believe my own bullshit. And did you?

Speaker 3 17:17

Oh yeah, yeah at it that I would start to believe my own bullshit. And did you? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and I've don't all people that do that stuff, don't they all have to? I mean, it's a lot easier if you believe in it, yeah right it is and I'm not, and that doesn't necessarily make it so.

Speaker 3 17:29

so my question then, is that, with things in our universe that we don't understand, things like spooky attraction that physics sees like what's to say that just feeling like it's real, or making it real for yourself and other people doesn't it makes it real to you? Well yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 17:50

Well, last night, my brother Charlie and I were talking about it, and I believe that there are people that actually have the ability. I'm just not one of them. I read people and I can con people. I can draw things out of them based on what I see in their body language and their micro expressions and whatnot.

Speaker 2 18:14

I don't know, but anyway, uh, this professor, he's the one that um debunked yuri keller the the spoon bender right and uh, he taught me how to bend keys and you know how to do the spoon bending trick isn.

Speaker 3 18:31

Isn't it just physics?

Speaker 2 18:33

It is leverage, heat and leverage, it's all leverage.

Speaker 3 18:36

Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 18:38

And I can show you the trick later. I won't spoil it online because I still use the trick. I do key bending, you know, just as an up-close magic trick and it's an impressive one and people I will get keys from, like Jerry's or Home Depot, from the key cutting kiosk.

Speaker 2 18:59

I'll ask them for a handful of keys and then I'll hand the keys out to people and I'll get them to give me back the keys and I'll say something like y'all have to write their initials on a key and try to bend it by themselves, and I will then use. I'll do something like y'all have to write their initials on a key and try to bend it by themselves, and I'll do the magic trick.

Speaker 3 19:19

Right.

Speaker 2 19:20

And then I'll show them the key bend in front of their very eyes, and it's one of those tricks I can do multiple times in front of people and they'll be like it's amazing.

Speaker 4 19:33

That's amazing. How do you do it? Swoon.

Speaker 2 19:37

I'll say it's pure mental energy. It's the connection between us that makes it happen.

Speaker 4 19:44

I think I just ovulated. You wish you were David Copperfield.

Speaker 3 19:49

Didn't see me slip it down the front of my pants. Got to get a big fulcrum there.

Speaker 2 19:56

What's that, Saoirse?

Speaker 4 19:57

I said you wish you were David Copperfield, fox boy.

Speaker 2 20:02

You've always got to say something, don't you?

Speaker 4 20:05

Yeah, when you try to tell a magical creature you're magic, I do.

Speaker 2 20:09

I am magic Magic Mitch.

Speaker 4 20:13

Magic Mike's blown out cousin.

Speaker 3 20:22

Okay, so here's a couple of famous stories about remote viewing. Okay, ingo Swann and the Rings of Jupiter. Ingo Swann was a prominent figure in the early days of remote viewing, often credited with coining the term remote viewing. One of the most cited stories involves his attempt to remotely view the planet jupiter in 1973, before pioneer 10 reached the planet. Swan claimed to have seen rings around jupiter. At the time, conventional astronomy did not believe that jupiter had rings and it had not been confirmed. However, when pioneer 10 flew by the planet 1974, it confirmed the existence of rings. What do you think of that?

Speaker 2 21:07

well, does every planet have rings?

Speaker 3 21:11

you know, I think a lot of them do, just a passing thought yeah. Yeah, Okay. So there's that one. There's another one. Joseph Joseph McMoneagle, a retired US Army chief warrant officer, was one of the first and most celebrated remote viewers in Project Stargate. He was known as remote viewer number one.

Speaker 1 21:35

Have you heard about this before? Yes, yes.

Speaker 3 21:40

One of his alleged successes involved locating a lost Soviet submarine. According to him, he was able to provide accurate details about the submarine's location and its internal structure, information that was reportedly used by the US Navy. He also claimed to have remotely viewed a number of high-profile targets, including a Chinese nuclear weapons facility. What do you think of that?

Mitch's Dream Visitor Experience

Speaker 2 22:05

So, I believe that that's documented. When I was a kid, my brother had his bike stolen on three separate occasions and my dad could be very harsh about stupidity. Stupidity was not tolerated in our household. My brother didn't lock his bike, which is stupid.

Speaker 3 22:35

That's objectively stupid.

Speaker 2 22:37

So on all three of those occasions I concentrated and concentrated. I didn't want my brother to get in trouble. One time my dad actually kicked my brother in the ass for being stupid as my brother was walking away.

Speaker 3 22:53

Sure, yeah, this is like 1970.

Speaker 2 22:58

Yes, early 80s, early 80s, 1980, like 1980. And you know I was in emotional turmoil, yeah, but I went out walking and on all three occasions I found the bicycle. Walking around town I found the bicycle and one of the times I actually found the person who stole the bicycle. Big town, small town At that time there was about 80,000, 90, 90 000 people in town, so it's statistically significant that you found it and uh, you know, there have been other times when I have found things.

Speaker 2 23:40

Yeah, like uh. When I was in the army, one of uh one of my buddies lost a T&E device, a traversing and elevation device for an M60 machine gun.

Speaker 1 23:50

Okay.

Speaker 2 23:50

And it's a sensitive item, and so we were in. I don't remember if it was Panama or Puerto Rico, one of the places. I think it was Panama. Anyway, not important, it's the jungle. So we have to. We take the whole platoon out and another platoon he lost in the jungle, lost in the jungle and we're walking along trying to find this thing and some of these places are, you know, knee deep in water and muck right.

Speaker 3 24:20

Is there a point where you just give up on it? Well, if you can't find it, yeah, he's not gonna.

Speaker 2 24:24

The point is they're gonna punish us right for him losing it, and then we're gonna jump his shit about it.

Speaker 3 24:30

And he will never lose anything again.

Speaker 2 24:32

Everybody's going to have to run 10 miles, not just that guy, yeah, so we go back through the jungle and we're about a mile from the encampment where we were and something about this clump of sawgrass that I saw, just something about it, and it wasn't within my part of the grid, it was someone else's part of the grid. I walked directly to the sawgrass and I take a knee and put my hand down in the water.

Speaker 3 24:59

Yeah.

Speaker 2 24:59

And my hand goes directly to the TNA and I pick it up and said I found it, hold it above my head and everybody looked at me like I'm a freak or like I'm the one that stole it, or, like you planted it or like I planted it there, yeah, and my close friends Whitland, purdue and Kanye and all those others, they were like whoa, he's got something, he sees things, he can do things.

Speaker 2 25:28

But I have found a lot of lost things that way. I just walk to where it is and I put my hand down and there it is. I know in my tribe there's people that have that ability. They're special people, but I don't think I'm a special person, I'm just a normal guy, you know. Maybe you are though that has nine tails occasionally.

Speaker 3 25:58

Look how comfortable this is.

Speaker 2 26:00

This is, this is nice.

Speaker 3 26:01

Yeah, this is great. I like this. I bet the beer is helping some too, you know, that beer is helping. Isn't it awesome? It is, I love that.

Speaker 2 26:11

It's unusual.

Speaker 3 26:12

Yeah, but it has a tiny bit of a bite.

Speaker 2 26:14

Yeah, it doesn't really taste like beer. To me it tastes.

Speaker 3 26:17

Yeah, it's. Yeah, I wasn't joking when I said I'd literally drive to Calipoli.

Speaker 2 26:22

It's a chili soda, yeah.

Speaker 3 26:23

With alcohol in it. I literally go to Calipoli to to get it. You know I can't always get up there and so I just look for it everywhere I am around here, and I was so happy the guy had four in his cooler and I bought three of the four.

Speaker 2 26:38

What is the company? Calipulia Brewing? Calipulia Brewing.

Speaker 3 26:42

Yeah, it's not that far, really hey.

Speaker 2 26:44

so, by the way, what are you drinking today?

Speaker 3 26:47

I am drinking a Coca-Cola but it has the Emperor from Star Wars on it for some reason. The Emperor yeah, maybe it's just like a I don't know Palpatine yeah, a subtle dig to get people to do it. To just do it. Drink the Coca-Cola, do it.

Speaker 2 27:12

And what am I drinking? Yeah, what are you drinking? I am drinking Calapuya Brewing Company.

Speaker 1 27:21

Chili Beer.

Speaker 2 27:23

It is in a 16-fluid-ounce can, says one pint, and it is quite tasty. Yeah, it tastes like a jalapeno soda, giappolino soda, but it's got alcohol in it yeah and, by the way, I am allowed to have one alcoholic drink, not real strong every once in a while taste? Huh, not a super strong beer taste. Yeah, and I'm chasing it with a pure, cold, pressed and ground cocoa unsweetened, which is supposed to clear the plaque out of my arteries yeah, nice and uh interesting between the chili and the chocolate Were there multiple options?

Speaker 3 28:10

Or was it just like cocoa was absolutely what was recommended?

Speaker 2 28:16

No, I think, because I was looking at heart attack stuff online. Yeah, you know, facebook picked up.

Speaker 3 28:24

it scraped my data and picked up my algorithm. Yeah, yeah, you got advertised too for it.

Speaker 2 28:29

Yeah, I got an advertisement for yeah targeted For cocoa.

Speaker 3 28:34

Yeah.

Speaker 2 28:34

For raw cocoa.

Speaker 3 28:35

Yeah.

Speaker 2 28:36

And it said that cocoa has all these things and it cleans out your arteries, right? Well, I'm not going to buy from the ad on Facebook, because it just pisses me off.

Speaker 3 28:44

Yeah.

Speaker 2 28:44

So I went on Google and I Googled cocoa and benefits of cocoa and Mayo Clinic studies and started reading Unless that's what they wanted you to do.

Speaker 3 28:52

Well, they could have wanted me to do it.

Speaker 2 28:53

It doesn't it's cocoa cartel. Yeah, and, and it says yes, studies have shown that raw cocoa with all these antioxidants will break down plaque in your system. That if you drink a cup of it a day for like 30 days it will remove almost all the plaque in your arteries. Wow. And then afterwards, if you maintain it, like drinking one every couple of days, yeah, it keeps your arteries nice and clean where?

Speaker 3 29:19

do you go?

Speaker 2 29:20

right. Just looked on amazon. Looked up the one with the highest antioxidant level, the most you know organic yeah fair trade stuff and right right, and I know I probably shouldn't have ordered from Amazon. I should have then looked up the company, but I'm kind of lazy and I'm already paying for Prime.

Speaker 3 29:35

Yep, yep, if you're paying for Prime, it doesn't make sense, yeah.

Speaker 4 29:39

So Mitch is drinking a chili beer. You are having a Coke and not that either of you asked, but I am actually having a shamrock shake today. I don't want to hear it, so just shut up and crack on with the episode.

Speaker 3 29:51

So we're watching this program and it is like a. I want to say it was like a Norwegian or Sweden or something. You know, when we eventually get our like millions of listeners, somebody's going to be mad that I got it wrong.

Speaker 2 30:07

But it was this like murder mystery thing and it was pretty good.

Speaker 3 30:08

Get the soups Faden Pick up the blood. Yeah, it was this like murder mystery thing and it was pretty good. Get the soups Faden Pick up the blood. Yeah, it was like a short series but it was like really good. And one of the premises in there was that the swingers all had these wind chimes on their house, Right, and the wind chimes were how you could tell if they were swingers or not.

Speaker 3 30:22

So we've been watching this show and then we had to go over to my mom and dad's house for something and we drive up and mom is hanging up another wind chime, but she's got her whole porch lined with them.

Speaker 2 30:32

There's like six of them, oh my god and Lisa's just like, eh, eh. So I didn't know this. On military bases, there's aphes, soap. Not dish soap Laundry soap Comes in an orange box OK.

Speaker 3 30:51

Like what you get at the laundromat.

Speaker 2 30:53

It comes in an orange and yellow kind of orange and yellow box radiant box. It's just Aife's brand and when the husband is gone, the wives would put the Aife's brand soap in their window of the laundry room. And that was a signal to Jody Jody's, what you call the guy that comes and services women when men are out on deployment. Jody would come along and see the Aifey's soap in the window and that would mean he was clear to come in the house.

Speaker 2 31:30

I feel like the Jody's position would like turn over a lot yeah, there's a lot of jody's well, I'm thinking, because you come home and kill him, and then there's oh, no, no, I mean yeah, no, jody didn't get caught, okay, not that often at least. Anyways, I never knew this as a young private and I was actually a district ranger and this military female told me about the aphes soap. That was like the common signal to guys that weren't on deployment Wink, wink, nod, nod yeah. No, and I never looked on the Ranger compound to see if she was putting soap up in her laundry room window Right.

Speaker 3 32:16

Or the Sasquatch guy that you used to work with. Sasquatch.

Speaker 2 32:24

I don't know. Oh wait, I've got something. I can see one of our listeners is wearing black. I see you. You know I'm talking to you right now. You have brown eyes. I see dark hair and there's darkness around you. But don't worry, light will come into your life, the sun will rise again. Thank you, saoirse. Saoirse, that's good I like that, was that good?

Speaker 1 33:14

Yeah, I liked it.

Speaker 3 33:16

I liked it, it's good. That's why I was trying to be really quiet. I was like I gotta just let this go.

Speaker 4 33:20

Besides that nice little roadshow you have there, kitsune, do either of you have a better story of your own Firsthand, real, non-local consciousness? So my buddy Bug bug this is a true story.

Speaker 2 33:32

Yeah, uh, we were having a long weekend I think it might have been memorial day, but I don't remember and uh, it's like a saturday night or something and I am. I have this weird dream about him, uh-huh, and in the I'm walking in the desert and I see this streetlight like sodium vapor light, and underneath the streetlight, in the desert, nothing around is a desk like an old military desk. There's Boog sitting there with his feet kicked up on the desk in a kind of old broke-down military chair. And I said, hey, man, what's up? And he said just can't what's up. And he said just can't sleep.

Speaker 2 34:11

I'm having a rough time. I needed to talk to someone. I said, yeah, what's going on? He said I just dealing with, uh, yeah, I lost a bunch of people in the war and I, I, I'm having trouble dealing with it. And I said, oh, what do you want to do? And he said, well, I thought I'd teach you. One of our dances is a native guy you know. And I I said yeah, and he says it's kind of a comic dances, it's called the beaver dance. I said, all right, so he teaches me and we're out there dancing doing this funny dance.

Speaker 3 34:41

Right.

Speaker 2 34:42

And uh, you know this kind of panting and clicking of toenails, and along comes this coyote and uh, coyote kind of nuzzles me and rolls over on her back and I'm scratching her belly and I see this flea jump from her belly onto my arm. I look at this flea and the flea bites me and I feel it so real I feel it that I wake up and as I'm waking up, boog says no.

Speaker 2 35:09

But I woke up and I actually looked at my arm to see if I'd gotten bitten by anything. Nothing, but I thought that was a weird dream.

Speaker 3 35:18

Whatever?

Speaker 2 35:19

Weird dream. So I got up, took a piss and went back to bed. Sunday went along. Monday went along. Monday was a holiday, a long weekend, and Tuesday I walk into the office and there's Boog sitting on the couch and he looks really tired and he says to me Look, if I'm ever in your dream, don't wake up like that. I looked at him and I said what did you just say? He said If I'm ever in your dream talking to you, don't wake up like that. I said you're full of shit. You know that's something that a con could say, because everybody's going to dream Right.

Speaker 2 36:00

And people don't remember their dreams. And he said I understand the flea bit, you and you could feel it. But you remember Coyote, you remember dancing with me? And I said I said, man, you're full of shit. And he said do you want me to do the beaver dance for you right now? I could show you again. And I said yeah, and he stood up and he did the dance and I knew it, I already knew it Right. And uh, I said you know telephone works just as well. He laughed and he said yeah, I wanted to see if I could still do it though. Yeah, I said, how did you do that? And he said my mom taught me when I was a kid and I wanted to see if I could still do it.

Speaker 1 36:44

Yeah.

Speaker 2 36:45

And I thought well, that was one of the stranger things that's ever happened. And he and I are like brothers.

Speaker 3 36:54

I believe in that Absolutely, and there's so many stories. A lot of times it's you know you might get a message from a loved one that they were in a car accident or something in your sleep, or just spontaneously, or whatever.

Speaker 2 37:08

You know, I've tried to do it. I've tried to reach out when I'm in that kind of liminal space that's between wake and sleep. Yeah, I try to, uh, you know, do some lucid dreaming and try to reach out to certain people and have a conversation with them, and no one's ever said, hey, mitch, you came and visited me last night, or right, damn it, put some clothes on.

Speaker 3 37:28

Mitch, they might just not want to say anything.

Speaker 4 37:33

I agree, and so as the mortals continue to unravel the great mysteries of well, whatever it is they're on about now our time here at the Uncanny.

Speaker 3 37:42

Coffee Hour comes to a close. I'm not going to I will never judge A heartfelt thank you to all of you for lending us your ears, If A heartfelt thank you to all of you for lending us your ears.

Closing Thoughts & Farewell

Speaker 4 37:49

If you enjoyed the Descent Into Madness, please consider leaving a rating or review. Wherever you listen, it helps other strange souls find us While I attempt to wrangle these two back into this plane of reality. We bid you farewell.

Speaker 3 38:03

Until next time, stay curious, stay caffeinated and keep your coffee or other drink, as well as your mind, uncanny.

Speaker 4 38:23

Stay strange everyone.

Speaker 1 38:27

Thanks for listening. Join us next time for more Uncanny Chats and coffee and tea. You can find out more about us, read show notes and get your Uncanny merch at wwwuncannycoffeepodcastcom.

Speaker 4 38:47

Until next time remember never whistle at night keep those salt trucks loaded for ice and, above all else, remember we are not all monsters.

Speaker 3 39:06

Thanks to all of our listeners out there. Uncanny Coffee Hour is produced by Bob Messon and Mitch Kiyotakitsune, executive producer, gracie the Wonder Dog.

Speaker 2 39:18

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Speaker 3 40:14

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Speaker 2 40:26

always respect the local ways.