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Episode 71 | Update on Jaden
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Dating After the FLDS, Panic Attacks, and Where I Stand on God | Jaden Jeffs Podcast Update
Jaden Jeffs shares a personal update four years after leaving the FLDS, discussing his dating life, his decision to delete dating apps, and how he’s been meeting people through dancing while rebuilding confidence after strict rules around interacting with women. He describes realizing his discomfort with closeness may be a protective trauma response. He addresses religion, explaining a recent panic-attack experience felt like pressure to accept Jesus, and says he’s not a devout Christian or Mormon, is unsure about God, but believes in a higher power. He emphasizes mental health as essential, details his panic attacks, therapy insights about dissociation and reconnecting with bodily emotions, and lifestyle triggers like caffeine, alcohol, and heavy conversations. He answers comments on Mormonism as corporate control and links extreme outcomes to rigid belief systems, outlines how he finds guests, and mentions plans for future episodes with his mom, siblings, and more on Warren Jeffs.
01:20 Dating Life Questions
02:21 Deleting Dating Apps
03:38 Learning to Dance
05:03 FLDS Conditioning and Confidence
06:27 Attachment and Proceeding Cautiously
08:54 Where Dating Stands Now
09:38 God and Panic Moment
12:44 Mental Health Matters
17:25 Therapy and Coping Tools
21:39 Religion and Disconnection
25:04 Truth Seeking and Healing
29:53 Answering Viewer Comments
33:51 Mormonism and Extremes
40:36 Podcast Growth and Backlash
44:31 Finding Guests and Future Plans
48:01 Wrap Up and Life Advice
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Welcome everybody. This is the Jaden Jeffs Podcast. Today I'm here to give you an update on Jaden Jeff's. You guys know I am the one true prophet. I've been doing interview after interview after interview, and I haven't given you guys an update for a while. So if you are new here and you're hearing about me being the prophet of God, I want you to just take it easy. Sometimes it takes a little bit of time for us to get our testimonies built up. Sometimes we doubt the truth when we hear it. And that may be your feelings towards me right now. You're doubting the prophet. But I want you to just hang on, know that the prophet does right. He's telling you the truth in all things. Now, read the comments. They'll tell you I'm joking because I am. So don't get offended. It's just a joke we have going between me and a few other people on YouTube. That's all this whole prophet thing is. It's been about four years since I left the FLDS cult. And I wanted to share with you some of the things I learned. I just turned 28 years old, and it's been a crazy four years, but I would say, especially the past one year, I have learned so much. And so I want to share a little bit with you about dating, about God, uh, if I believe in God, and then I just can answer some of the questions that I found in the comments below. Everybody knows I like to get into the juicy stuff first, and that is my dating life. Who doesn't want to hear about my dating life? Everybody's interested in it, everybody's asking about it. Everybody wants to know if the prophet got married to like two wives or three wives. Some people ask me, are you gonna get 10 wives and have a hundred children? And I'm like, no, that's not what I was trying to do. I was just like you, dating one girl or uh whatever, one one young woman, and then another young woman, and if that doesn't, well, only one at a time, and if that doesn't work out, then I move on and I find another young woman today. And I'm not trying to to get me like 10 wives. That was that's just like I I don't have the mental capacity for it. I I'm not trying to do that, I'm trying to not be like my dad, so that's not what I'm trying to do. Now, I had Tinder, I had hinge and bumble, and I would swipe on Tinder, and then I would get depressed, and then I would swipe on hinge, and then I would get depressed. It's like a special pill you take for getting depressed is to just swipe on Tinder or Hinge or Bumble or something, and they'll immediately make you feel like you're the worst person in the world. And I feel like whoever started those apps is just like, how can I make this world a worse place to live in? That's their whole mission. If when I went on their website, that's all I see now is like, how can we make you feel more depressed? And so six months ago, I deleted all my dating apps. I said, you know what? These are just for people to feel depressed. If I was a happy go-getter and I went to the doctor and I was like, you know what, I've just been feeling so happy. And he's like, hmm, how can we make you feel more depressed? He'd be like, I know what you should do. Download a dating app and just start swiping and see how many, how awful they can make you feel and stupid and rejected and just garbage. So I decided I refuse to partake in that game. I started dancing in February, and some people tell me I'm a good dancer. I don't know if they're lying to me or if they're telling me the truth. It's a little bit hard to tell because you know some people are a little bit careful around the prophet. They're like, we don't want to tell him he's done something wrong. I'm like, you got to tell me the truth. They say you're good at dancing. This is crazy. And I'm like, well, thanks for the compliment, but I'm just wondering if you're telling me the truth. And they're like, we're totally telling you the truth. So I don't know if I'm being delusional or if I'm actually good at dancing, but I go, I ask girls out like at the Western or in Salt Lake, I say, Will you dance with me? And we dance. And so when I first went there, I stood over on the side and I did not dare do anything. I didn't know how to dance. And this guy comes up to me and he says, Hey, uh, let's go find somebody to dance with. And he's this older fellow. And he just takes me over and asks people to, he says, Will you dance with him? I'm like, dude, I I am like dying inside because I don't know what to do. Anyway, just slowly I worked up, I built up. Now I'm not afraid. When I go there now, I dance with 15 or 20 people. If the dance goes good, I'll ask the girl, hey, come grab a drink with me or whatever, and we'll get talking. Then I'll maybe I'll get her number. And that's how I've been meeting people lately. And I've come up in my confidence so much because when I was in the FLDS, my dad was like, you can't look at the girls or the mothers, even your own mother, you you cannot look, and that's ridiculous, right? Because who dad's messed up because he thinks you can't look at your own mother, like that's weird. He says, You look at their eyes or the ground. Because he he reads from the story of Joseph in Egypt. It says, and Joseph kept his eyes on the ground when he was seeing Zola. Oh no, it's not Zola. Uh, I can't, maybe Zola, I can't remember her name. Joseph kept his eyes on the ground, and my dad would say, if you look at their eyes, that's okay. If you look at the ground, that's okay. Anything in between, you're you're gonna get a serious punishment. And so that's why I had to retrain my nervous system to like, okay, it's okay to talk to these people. Because I've always been able to talk to them in a business sense. Like, I can talk to anybody in a business sense. But when it comes to romance or uh personal, personal interactions, then it's much more difficult for me. But I'm getting better and better just by getting in reps after rep after rep. I go on the weekends, I'm free. Sometimes I'm doing this podcast, other times I'm dancing. You never know when they should go to the dance floor to see me. A little while ago, I said, I don't like people, I don't like the young women who like me, but I like the ones that don't like me. And I think I finally got that figured out to some degree because see, I would like someone, and then we would start, you know, talking and stuff, and then they would kind of accept me, and I would be like, Oh, this is awesome. And then for some reason, I just could not stand them. I just couldn't bear anything about them, and they would be like beautiful young women uh who had no problems, right? Well, everybody has some problems, but they they were there was nothing obviously wrong. I just they would get too close, and I would my my whole body would just be so grossed out, I'd be like, ew, I I cannot stand this. And the reason why I finally figured out it's because I've never ever let anybody get close to me in my personal space, and my body has this reaction to people getting too close to me that says, you're in danger, and it'll do anything to keep someone away. It doesn't matter how cool they are, it will do what it takes to keep people away. And so it's just a matter of like working through that, trying to figure it out. And so now I'm like, okay, I liked them before. Do I do I not like them now, or is this just my body basically saying you cannot let people get close to you? So I just have to ask that question. Then if it's just my body, if there's no real reason that I don't like someone when I already liked them, then I'm like, that's just my body, and I should proceed with caution. Like, that's what dating is. Dating is proceed with caution. That's all it is. And that's so that you don't marry some crazy ass person like my dad, who had 80 wives. Like, I know all my dad's wives. They didn't proceed with caution. That's why they were kind of in a bad situation. And with me, you still have to proceed with caution, but I'm way better. I'm a cool guy, you know. I'm open, I'm on the YouTube, I do cool things, I dance, I talk to people openly, I answer people's questions. Anyway, you guys wanted the juice on my dating life. That's kind of what it is. I haven't found a particular girl or uh see, sometimes I feel weird calling them girls because someone was telling me like that's for people under 18. Uh, but young women or whatever, I don't know. So I haven't found like one person that I just dating always, but I'm working on it, we're getting closer. I'm out here having fun, and I'm pretty busy, I'm trying to make money. So dating is kind of like a side thing that I'm proceeding with caution on, and my work and my business is kind of the priority, and everything will happen when it happens. Okay, now it's time to talk about God, religion. Do I believe in God? Uh, the other day I was driving down the road, and uh an insane feeling went up through my head, and it felt like I was getting dizzy, and I was like, oh man, what is this? And I couldn't quite tell it what it was, and I was starting to feel a little bit sick, and a crazy feeling came up over me that's just like you need to accept Jesus in your life, and I was like, oh boy, what is what the hell is this? And it was just like something was just pressuring me to like go accept Jesus in my life, and I was just like, no, like I I have gotta have some time to think this through. And it felt like I was getting a little bit dizzy, and I I don't know, I just I couldn't stand it. And I was just like, you know what? I'll do whatever, I'll do whatever, I'll accept Jesus if I have to. And I stopped at the gas station, I got me a drink, and I was just like, this is this is the weirdest thing ever. Like, who came out of nowhere and told me I have to accept Jesus? It's unfair. And then I realized that I was just having a little bit of a panic attack, and I have to step back and think things through. So all I'm saying is those kind of things happen when you have a panic attack because adrenaline and cortisol are flooding your brain, and it can feel like the end of your days are right around the corner, and some sometimes it's like you have a Jesus moment like that. Um, I don't really know what to think about that. I I don't believe in Jesus really. I think Jesus was a good person. I accept his principles, I accept the good that he did, but I don't, I wouldn't consider myself like, oh, I'm some devout Christian or anything. Like the the answer when it comes to religion for me is I don't know. But a lot of people in the comments ask, hey, do you believe in Jesus or do you believe in God? What's your religious beliefs? And Mormons want me to believe in their religion, and I which I basically came from. I was like the most solid Mormon, better than most Mormons, and now I'm not a Mormon anymore because it fucked with my whole brain, which I'm about to talk about. So, no, I don't really believe in any religion, I don't believe in God necessarily, but I believe in a higher power. I believe in something like a higher power, but I don't know what it is, and I don't spend too much time thinking about it because when I do, I just feel like I go a little bit crazy. And so I'm like, you know what? I can't deal with that right now. I'll feel I'll deal with it sometime. Right now, I'm just gonna focus on the things that matter, which is survival. Okay. Now I want to talk about mental health for a minute. And just my journey out of the FLDS has taught me that the most important thing in life, whether you are a mental health person or you're not, the most important thing is your mental health. Because your brain decides what you do, it decides how you see reality, it decides everything. It's kind of like if you took a computer or a robot, let's say. A robot, you know, those robots they make nowadays, those little men. And you took the brain out of that thing and you said, go, let's see what you can do. That thing couldn't do nothing. It couldn't build you something, it couldn't help you out in any way. The robot would be no good. So it's the same way with us as humans. Our brain is the most important thing, whether we believe in mental health or not. Because when we don't have our mental health, then we're just a robot without any brain inside that can't do anything. And if you have a half-working brain, that still applies. Like if your brain can't see the world correctly, you cannot proceed with caution. You cannot be bold when you need to, you can't make the decisions you need to make. And this seems obvious, but it isn't. Because when you have a mental health problem, it is it is not obvious. And it is scary stuff. Mental health is just scary because you're dealing with intelligence, I guess, that controls a human. And when you hear about somebody going out and like hurting other people, it's the same thing. Like they're they're they had a malfunction up here, and you know, we lock them in prison forever because they had a malfunction up here. But I I think that's fair, but I think we need to look at people's brains a little bit differently and just recognize that the brain is so important. When I started having panic attacks, I didn't believe, like I thought I never have a panic attack. When I see other people with panic attacks, I'd be like, you need to like use your mind, you need to get some sense in your head. I was why are you having a panic attack? But then I had one. Your body releases adrenaline, it releases a ton and ton of adrenaline and cortisol until your brain is flooded with it, and that makes you feel like you're gonna die, basically. And so you panic. That's why it's called a panic attack. And for me, as long as I know it's coming on, I'm gonna be okay. I went to the doctor and he prescribed me some medicine, but I didn't feel comfortable about taking it because I read some other stories about other people doing it, and I was like, you know what? I'm gonna see if I can deal with panic attacks more naturally. And so I went and found this really good friend of mine and said, you know what, man, I've gotta have some help. Like this is bad, especially when it happens day after day after day, a panic attack, like a bad panic attack, one day, the next day, the next day. You start to feel like you were going crazy. You feel insane, and it feels like, oh my god, I'm losing my grip on reality and everything else. And you don't know what to do. I schedule like 10 different appointments with like therapists and uh psychiatrists. I was just like, I have got to get to the bottom of this. This is crazy. So went to the psychiatrist. I think that's what it is, the guys that work do medicine for your brain. And they prescribed me some stuff. I took a little bit of some of the milder stuff they gave me, but I chose not to really do the medications they gave me because I believe that if my body's dealing with something, I need to find the root cause, solve that, and not just take medication, medication. But that's my personal belief. Now you now that does not mean that's what you should do. You do whatever's best for you. This is just for me. So I re I I went to a certain therapist, and this therapist was really good because they saw right through me. And when I was talking to them, I was like mega disassociating because I just like was having a hard time sticking with it, plus I had been dealing with all the panic attacks. So they did a really good job at showing me that a big yeah, your mental health is important, but so is your body's emotions, in the sense that if you disassociate, where you always only think in your mind about your body, after a while, your body doesn't want to participate anymore. It's like if you're gonna do this, I'm done. And so your body just sends itself into panic when it thinks it's in bad situations because it it never gets things felt. So this lady explained to me, if whenever you're starting to feel panic, if you will go inside of your body, forget about your brain and your thoughts and all that stuff, if you'll go inside your body and feel like, okay, what do you feel about that? What's the problem there? Your panic attacks will probably not come on near as bad. Now, I got this pamphlet about how to deal with panic attacks, like when they're really bad, and naturally. And some of the basic things are hey, if you know this is a panic attack and your heart's racing really fast, that's probably not gonna hurt you at all, even if your heart's racing really fast. You're gonna be just fine as long as you know it's a panic attack. And some of the things are like caffeine really sets off panic attacks for me. So I just have cut out all caffeine lately. Um, alcohol really sets them off sometimes, sometimes not. I can do a little bit of alcohol now, but for a little while there, I just cut out all the alcohol because they were sending me into bad panic attacks a day later. Now there's one more thing, and it's a lot of times when I do a podcast with somebody that's a little bit heavier, then I'll start having a panic attack about a day later, a few hours later. And I you don't know why they come, they just come. It's just like your body just starts sending adrenaline and your head fills with cortisol, and there's not much you can do about it. You just feel panicked. So I think when I have these heavy conversations, if I go and I let my body have some feelings about everything we talked about, then it does a lot better. It doesn't go into panic. It's just pretty much your body, my body, has never been allowed to have emotions. So there's little kids, when you have a little kid and you say, Hey, you need to, oh, they're they're acting up. And you say, You need to, we need to solve the problem. What what are you so upset about? And then you work through that. That kid is learning how to deal with their body's emotions, right? So if you're in the FLDS, it's different though, because when you have those problems, they don't ask you, hey, we need to work through this. They say you shut up every time since you're a baby. They say you shut up, you do this, you do this, shut up, do this, shut up, do this. That's all you can think. What it does is it makes so your body never has any emotions. So when you start to have them, then your body kind of can panic. I think that's what's what it is. I've been, I I I believe this because it's worked. Like when I think about it, when I have a problem, like, and I really go into my body and I think about it, even when I'm having a horrible panic attack, if I just go in, listen to my body, get out of my brain, start feeling my panic goes down automatically. So I think that's just really important to just get back into your body. That's what I was saying about religion, though. We've been living outside. Religion makes you live more outside your body. That's what I feel about it. And I think anything that makes us here present, because there's all these spiritual things, there's all this crazy stuff, we may not see reality as it is. There might Be all this other crazy spiritual stuff going on. But it doesn't matter. We are in this existence for a reason. I cannot navigate the human world or the physical world and be happy if I'm off in some spiritual la land where I have nothing to do with my body. I have to embrace being a human, being on the earth right now, and come back to my body. So I think that religion, especially Mormonism, pulls people up out of their bodies and makes them kind of a separate entity from who they really are. And it's so unhealthy. Your desires, basic desires, still have to be, you still have to eat, you still have to, all that stuff, and you might even love to eat. But your body is kind of a separate thing. It's never listened to, it's never included in your decisions. The stricter the religion is, seems like the worse it is. For me, it was just really bad. And honestly, panic attacks make a lot of men, I think, stay in religion because they can't deal with having their bodies do things like that. And they say, you know what, this is the devil, or this is uh I'm going crazy without God. It's just like me when I was driving down the road the other day, and I just felt this insane pressure to accept Jesus. It's like, no, step back for a minute. Let's let's figure out what's going on here in your brain. And I genuinely believe, because the panic, if it goes on too long, some people don't know and they don't want to accept what's happening. And if it goes on too long, you can feel like you want to jump off a cliff because the cortisol and adrenaline just keep flooding your brain to the point where you don't have a grasp on reality, and the pain of going through that day after day after day can feel so exhausting that you genuinely just want to jump off a cliff. And I'm not laughing, I'm laughing because when you're out of it, it it can build up really fast. And it's crazy how if you go back to religion and you're like, I believe in Jesus, it a lot of that stuff can stop. It's like your body is back in a familiar place or something. I don't know. But it's like it stops, and I think a lot of men cannot deal with this, and this is why they are so rich, even if they leave religion, they're still so rigid in their beliefs because some of this stuff is really hard to go through. And I think a lot of men do great going through it, they they've solved their problem, but a lot of other ones, they just they want to think they're tough, they don't want to have any problems. For me, I love confronting truth, and for some reason, the more I confront a truth, the more of the problems I started having. And then I just had to realize what was happening, and now I feel way happier than I even did before the problem ever started. Even though I still have them, I know how to deal with them better, and I feel happier always. And I also feel like I can wrestle with truth better because one of the things that happens is whenever I hear a conversation about consciousness or death or something, like a lot of times I'll listen to podcasts about that, and by the end, I will be having a full-blown panic attack. And basically, what it is is my body has never ever been okay with how I think about it, or it's just never been included. I always think very abstractly, your body has to have the ability to kind of process that information. And when you start going through the healing process, your body starts processing that information, whether you want it to or not. And you can either go back to God and live how you lived all your life and never have the problem, or you can face the truth and deal with some of these things in your body, but it requires a lot of healing, it requires a lot of humility to be able to accept that you need help. So I just think mental health is one of the most important things for us to confront. And I think men can't ask for mental health very well. I feel stupid asking for it. But when I get in those situations, I will ask. And I think a lot of men won't. Like when I get in those situations, I call people. I'm like, hey, I need some help. I I gotta have some help. I did I did that just last week when sometimes new kind of a panic attack will come where you don't recognize that's what it is for some reason. Like I had one the first time, then the next time I was in a bar and I had had one shot of I had one shot, and then I just started having a panic attack, but I didn't know it just felt like I drinking way too much alcohol, and I was like, I think I'm about to pass out from alcohol. I just didn't realize that's what was going on. So I was panicking, I was going on and on. So just like new situation can bring up a new thing. Then you call somebody, like, hey, this is going on, I don't know what's happening. And then as soon as you figure out it's a panic attack, for me, it's a lot easier to deal with after that. So I just think mental health is a priority. And people that have panic attacks, like I wouldn't care what people think about that because to me, I know I'm I'm working on the process of healing my whole body, right? I'm healing my mind, healing my body. I'm getting to a place of being able to accept more and more truth. And if other people want to look at that as stupid, then I don't care because I want to be somebody that can look at and wrestle with truth. If my body has to go into a panic to do it, then that's not a healthy body that can handle and grapple with truth and reality. So I want to change my body to the point where it can do that, and that's all mental health is is like getting your mind in a position where you can accept reality and your body that this whole existence is so insane. Like, we as humans, what when when you see other people doing what they're doing, you have to recognize that it's a combination of their mind and their body working together in the best way that intelligence understands itself, kinda. And then you have to look at yourself and realize that's also what you are, and so not prioritizing what makes your intelligence is quite low IQ, I think. Now, there is something to be said about too much focus on emotional disorders. I feel like I can't focus on it too longer, I have more problems. So I get when people say, oh, don't focus on it too long. That kind of makes sense to me because I try not to either. I just focus on it long enough to get the problem solved. That's my experience. You guys can leave your comments below. Now let's go through a few of your comments. I'm just gonna read like five comments and then answer some of the more major questions I see. And sometime I'll do this more. I might start doing live streams every Sunday or something. We'll see. Uh, Du Bois Gal says, I live five minutes away from Kirtland, Ohio, and it's so crazy. All the craziness started here, the Mormon craziness. But Mormonism is basically non-existent here. It was just one family, and the dad was an atheist anyway. Yeah, like Mormonism really kind of started in Kirtland, Ohio, but then they were driven out, everybody went to Naboo, and I can't believe how crazy Mormonism is. It's just so crazy. It's the same thing. Like, you look at people's minds and their model of the world, their in that their intelligence has used and they've been given, right? It's not not to blame them or say they're less intelligent, it's just that's the model of the world that they're their intelligence was given. And so you look at all these Mormons together in the society they built, and in some ways it's beautiful, but in some ways you can see it's very controlled, and all their minds are just this makeup of intelligence, just like mine is. Um, and they're living in these rigid beliefs. It's so insane, whatever. Noretta's daughter says the church is a corporation too. They invest your tithing and live off those billions. It's all about power, ego, and money. Religion is corporate, control the masses, cult. Yeah, that's pretty much how it is. One of the greatest blessings a human can have is the ability to recognize themselves outside of, I don't know how to say that, because everybody recognizes themselves, but recognize, like me, recognize myself outside the FLDS or recognize the Mormon church outside the Mormon church without the rigid belief that it's true. I think one of the questions people can ask themselves is if my religion wasn't true and isn't true, am I willing to walk away from it today? And in some sense, I'm gonna say this, even though it's almost seems wrong, but if you if you won't walk away from your religion, then your beliefs in it are probably too strong. Like you probably can't see outside of it. Like when I was in the FLDS, I wouldn't walk away from it because my beliefs were too strong in it. And it's probably true for every other religion. If you won't back up enough to see outside of it and fully consider within your body and everything, that that is not true, like I'm walking away, then you probably can't see outside of it. Not to say that that's not true, but it is insane how leaving that can cause your body to do insane things and go into panic. I don't know what to say. Basically, what I'm saying, though, is if you're in religion, you're you're too scared to you're you're fuck. It's hard to not just say, if you're in if you're in religion, then you're fucking brainwashed. It's hard to not say that, but it's kind of true. Well, I can see somebody leaving religion and then saying, okay, it oriented my life better, and then going back and still being like, oh, I don't think it's true. I can see that possibility. I'm not saying you're stupid if you're in religion, but I'm just saying if you if you can't see outside of it, you're kind of brainwashed. Whatever. CG Standard 8 Captain says, What did you make of Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow? I'm still trying to figure out Mormons and their differences with regular mainstream Christianity. And I am too. Uh I'm I'm kind of getting into mainstream Christianity now. Uh not in a sense of believing it, but just in a sense of understanding it better. And one of the ways I do that is I allow myself to get immersed in it a little bit, then I pull myself back out. Like if you can't get immersed and feel it, you can't give it a fair shot. You can't understand the experience of those people. If you don't go be a Mormon and immerse yourself in Mormonism, you can't understand the you can't possibly get why these people are doing that. But if you immerse yourself in it, okay, to to uh Chad and Lori, Chad Dabel and Lori Vallow, I think Mormonism lived to its full conclusion makes people insane. And all the people that aren't insane just mostly don't quite live it to its full conclusion. I genuinely believe that to some degree. If you look at every person that truly, and that's not to say that Mormonism believes you should punish people, but there's that other lady as well. What's her name? Oh, I gotta look it up. Oh, Ruby Frankie. That's I watched the I don't know if it was on Netflix or Hulu or what it was on, but I watched the documentary about Ruby Frankie, and I thought it was a really good example of what Mormonism can do to someone. I totally understand why she thought and and did the things she did. Like I have seen that in so many people. That watching that makes me realize how much Mormonism really is like the FLDS. Because I already knew that and I saw it everywhere I went. But watching those documentaries, Mormons like to say, Ruby Frankie, she's crazy. Or Chad Daybell and Lori Ballow, they're crazy. They don't realize how close they are to that. It's well like when I talk to so many presidents of the stake who want me to join Mormonism. They say, Your dad was this and your dad was that. And then they immediately launch into this whole thing about me joining Mormonism. And I'm like, you're my fucking dad. You are my fucking dad. The way you're talking about Mormonism, the things you're saying, and they're like, no, no, no, no. And they try to separate themselves. I'm like, take that to its full conclusion. You're my fucking dad. Okay? I don't know what to tell you. Everybody in the FLDS that really supported my dad kind of was my dad. I hate to say that, but it's true. And people in Mormonism, whether they're a bishop or whatever, they're kind of my dad. I uh that's all I can fucking see when I'm talking to them. They distance themselves because they cannot, people cannot see themselves in a bad light. I couldn't do it when I was there. I looked at every other crazy person. I said, that's not me. That's not me. But the principles and the situation and the doctrine and the spirituality, that's fucking you. That's what I think about those guys. I think, yeah, they probably had some sort of mental illness or whatever. I'm not I'm not giving them a pass. I'm saying that people all over the world do crazy things. Yes, Mormons are gonna say that, and I already know what. However, the justification and the spirituality in Mormonism is insane. And I've seen it, I've seen it in so many smaller situations. Like, take some of my dad, I remember, I can think of like 30 situations right off the top of my head where one of my dad's wives or someone in the FLDS, or a man or whatever, but say one of my dad's wives was in control of this child and they got left for a month, and spiritually, that woman was doing what my dad wanted, but well, she was really faithful into the gospel and into Mormonism, but started just destroying that child in some way. I've seen it, and and and through spirituality, just like you see in the Ruby Frankie case. Like, people don't believe people think Ruby Frankie was not sincere in a lot of the things she did. Dude, I believe the total opposite. I believe she was totally sincere. And when you pop out of it, you're like, how the fuck could I do that? It's the same thing with that whole Moroni Johnson did, that Moroni Johnson with Sam Bateman, when he pops out of it and he's like, How would I how have I done this to my family? That's the spirituality in Mormonism. I'm telling you guys, it can make you fucking crazy. Be careful. Like, that's what I'm saying about mental health. Like, you're a makeup, and I should add spirituality, like you're a makeup of the intelligence and the spirituality and the emotions of yourself. And that's why mental health's important. And you don't recognize when you need it the most. Whatever. I genuinely believe that Mormonism can keep people to some degree in a healthy boundary, but taken too far. Oh boy. And Mormons are like, that's why the priesthood's here, and that's why, and it's like bullshit. The the the more priesthood you have and the more faithful you are, the more like my dad you are. I swear to God, that's how it is. Oh, okay. Clara friends 1516 says, We love you, Jaden. Keep at it. You're natural and you're having a real impact. Thank you, Clara. Uh, I come for compliments like this. So, like, I really appreciate that. One of the main questions is, do you still believe in God? And I would just say, like, 50-50. If you ask me right now, do you believe in God? I would say 50-50. And basically, what I mean is, I don't know. Has doing this show changed you? Someone's asking. Has doing the podcast changed me? I would say absolutely like my life a year ago compared to now, everybody that knows me says, You've changed so much. I can't believe how much you've changed. And I think doing the podcast helps me pursue truth harder. Sometimes I feel like I need to take a break, but then I'm like, oh, I'm so glad I'm doing this. Like I love doing the podcast. So I want to talk to more people. I want to keep doing it. Absolutely. Like, it's given me a more open mind. Why, when I'm talking to somebody, I have to ask myself, why does this person truly believe that what they're telling me? And I have to I have to give it a full chance. I like I was saying in Christianity or Mormonism, I like to put myself to a place where I believe it. And then I'm like, how does this feel to believe that? How is it comprehended in my mind? How does it feel to be a part of this group of people that also believes it and we're talking about it? Like, how does that feel? Some people think that I'm lying when I go to a Mormon church and I read the Doctrine and Covenants with them, and I'm like, yeah, and I'm and I'm talking and I'm expounding with them on it, and I'm I'm in the spirituality with them. They think I'm lying. I'm not. I just pull myself back out of it and bullshit and criticize it. I'd say that's the same thing I try to do with people, individuals. Get on their same spirituality. See if you can get in the groove with them. See if you can feel how it feels to be them. It's a danger, I feel like it's kind of a dangerous task because you could get lost. But I feel like the more you do up, the less dangerous it gets. Get in their beliefs with them, their spirituality, and be them for a minute. And see how it feels. Maybe you'll find some truth in that. I don't know. You have to be careful though. It's it's crazy. Are you ever scared of backlash from the community? From the FLDS community. No, I think that a lot of FLDS people have been through enough stuff that when they do watch my YouTube, they probably think, you know what, I I don't mind that he's doing this. And there's probably some of my brothers and stuff that watch it and they're like, oh, this is bullshit. But even them, if they pause, if they really listen and they pause to think about it, they gotta be like, you know what? Whatever. I don't know. I'm almost more scared. Of backlash from Mormons because I never was one of them. Well, I was more a Mormon than they were, but I was never part of their organization and I shit on it a lot. And I think that some of them just really hate me for it, but that's okay. Some but I will say, like some Mormons are super nice and chill. So I'm not judging everybody, but I'm not really scared of backlash, honestly. How do you find get you find your guess? What topic or cult is next? I want to do more more topics about cults, uh, different cults other than the ones I've done. I I go on TikTok and I just scroll TikTok and I find cult people, and then I send them a message, like I'll I'll see a Mormon just saying, Oh, the Mormon church this and the Mormon church that, you know, they're in their car, they're saying, the Mormon church did this or that, and I'll be like, Hey, do you want to come on my podcast? And then I'll send them like a link to my podcast, and sometimes they respond, and then I invite them onto my podcast. Or some people email me on my website. Some people, you know, just different ways of finding people. So and the Kingston people I have on, I usually just am friends with, I'm like friends with Amanda, I'm friends with Catherine, and then they say, Hey, this person is wondering if you'd want them on their podcast. Or I say, Hey, do you guys I see them on TikTok? I say, Hey, I saw your friend on TikTok. Do you think they would mind coming on my podcast? Something like that. As far as where the podcast is headed, I want to just keep learning. And that's really the only goal. Like, how can I learn and help other people learn more? So if you have something you really want me to talk about, I've been thinking about doing these podcasts where I go, like to a Christian church, I go with somebody and then I kind of experience it and then I talk to them about it. I've been thinking of doing a few videos like that. Um, I I also want to do some podcasts with strangers where I just go find a stranger. I say, like I've never met him, say, Hey, do you have an hour or two to do a podcast with me? Then we just walk and maybe we we get a drink or something, and we do a podcast right there on the spot, just like with this camera, and see how that goes. So I might try a few different things, but for the most part, I'm just gonna keep finding interesting people to talk to and try to get into their life and see how it how it goes. Some of the top requests are for my mom to come on, some more of my siblings, and for me to talk more about Warren Jeff's. And I think I'm gonna do all three of those things. I'm gonna work on, I'm working on a deal telling my story a little bit more detailed, and then I'll put it on my channel. And I'm guys, I'm working on my mom, but we gotta be patient. Like, I would not want her to come on too soon. Everybody says, Oh, we want to see your mom. We gotta see your mom. I'm like, you'll see my mom sooner or later. We have there was this funny thing. My mom was showing me how they painted these little rock families. Oh, they made these little rock families. They would like paint the father, paint the mother, and paint the children when she was little. I was like, hey, mom, we could do that. We could just like make some polygamous families, you know, paint the father, paint like five moms, paint like 50 kids or whatever, and we could just do that for a podcast. I don't know. So we'll see. We'll have my mom on. Anyway, guys, that's gonna be pretty much it for today. Put your questions below. Later, I'm gonna come back, I'm gonna sweep this video for questions, and I'm gonna answer your questions on another video like this, probably five, ten, fifteen episodes in the future. You guys know I am cool, you guys know I am Jaden. If you want to dance with me, go to the Westerner. You want to learn how to dance, or like if you're a bro and you want to learn how to dance, uh, come judge me. Be like, dude, you are lying to us. You do not dance very good. Uh, but yeah, let's just get out there and have some fun, face your fears, do all kinds of fun things, celebrate your 28th birthday like I do. It's actually my lucky birthday. Uh, so that's why I kind of I was like, I've been working for the last 10 years through my birthday. I got up like it was no other day. I worked right through it, and I might do that in the future too. But I was like, you know what? I'll only get one 28th lucky birthday. We're gonna party. So we came down, we went for Wheeling. We were going to go do boating, but it's kind of a rainy day, so we didn't do that. But we did other fun things. We had a good party, we sat in the hot tub, and now we're leaving. So yeah, just have fun, live life, it only happens once. Uh, I'm still doing my concrete business, so that's kind of my full-time deal. And I've been really grateful for the podcast. It's not enough for me to do full-time, really. Maybe it will be in the future, maybe not. I'm gonna keep doing it. I'm gonna keep giving up my whole heart when I'm doing a podcast. I'm gonna give the podcast my whole heart. Otherwise, I'm gonna be doing my construction business and just trying to make make a living there. So, like and subscribe, give this video a big thumbs up. You guys know not only am I the prophet, but now you're the prophet. Okay, you can tell people that I said that you were the prophet. If you watch my videos, not only am I the prophet, now you're the prophet. Okay. Thanks everybody for watching. Like and subscribe. We'll see you next time. Peace out.