Liberty Lounge: When Does A Right Become A Privilege

You can buy land, pay the taxes, follow the rules, and still get told you can’t build a tiny home for your kids or a treehouse on your own acreage. We dig into why that happens by tracing a simple idea that changes everything: when government turns a right into a license, it doesn’t just collect a fee, it trains you to ask permission as a way of life. Along the way we talk zoning, floodplains, planning offices, inspections, and the long list of permits and registrations most people accept without questioning.

We bring real development stories from the field, including counties playing hardball during permitting, projects delayed by “we’ve never done this before,” and what it looks like to win by staying calm and demanding one thing over and over: show us the code. We also connect the dots between property control and financial control, from real estate investing and contracting licenses to how the tax code nudges business decisions and makes it hard to build generational wealth without better structures like trusts.

Then we zoom out to the bigger climate of authority and compliance: COVID mandates, selective enforcement, and the ongoing election integrity fight around voter ID, mail-in ballots, chain of custody, and the Save America Act. If you care about property rights, government overreach, and practical ways to live more privately and confidently, this conversation is for you. Subscribe, share it with a friend who’s fighting city hall, and leave a review with the biggest “permission slip” you’ve ever been asked to sign.

Transcript

Tech Glitches And Welcome

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Don't we love technology?

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Everyone got to build up in the background with teen the teams walking out. We're those people. We're those people. Woo! Good evening, Lee Liberty lovers. How are you doing? Hard not to say good morning, peasants. I know you're used to that. Every morning when I hear that intro, I never watch it because I'm like last second getting everything done, putting my headphones in, you know, grabbing my mic. A lot of times it's literally, I'm, you know, you know, the kings and queens walking around, and I'm like grabbing my mic at the last possible second. So I'm always out of breath when I good morning, peasants.

SPEAKER_05 1:47

Yeah, and you're typing it in the messages too.

Paperwork And Getting Organized

SPEAKER_03 1:50

Typing it in, yep, absolutely. All right, welcome, Reason 411. Glad you made it. That is awesome. We are going to go ahead and drop the link if anybody wants to join us in studio in camera, remotely, of course. The link is in the chat, and we'll drop it again there time or two as people show up. But uh, we had a lot of viewers last week that came in, obviously, you know, after the show posted. It was pretty good. I think it was pretty awesome. So that's really good. I'm glad people joined joined it. So if you're not catching it live, you can catch it on replay at the Peasants Perspective channel on Rumble, YouTube, and probably everywhere else that ends up uploading. So lots of fun. How was your this week, Lisa?

SPEAKER_05 2:35

It's been good. This week has been all about getting all of my affairs in order and thinking about the stuff that I've got loose ends on and cleaning them up and all of the kind of I don't know about you, but I haven't been really diligent about keeping track of paperwork and business uh dealings that need my attention. So it triggers a lot of stuff when I go back to figure it all out and clean it up and organize it. Memories of all the stuff we've done, how we've gotten where we are. It's fraught with a lot of kind of hairballs.

SPEAKER_03 3:17

I know this week I was like, well, we didn't get 1099s, and you were like, I know.

SPEAKER_05 3:24

I know. I was like, oh, okay, I guess we need to do that. Yeah, that's part of what, yeah. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 3:30

It's pretty fun. Yeah, it's uh I'm not I am not a paperwork guy in general. That's not my forte. So yeah, I often find times find myself doing quarterly roundups where I'm, you know, spending a night, chuck the mountain dew all night long, trying to do my registers and stuff like that. It's no fun. No fun, but it's got to be done.

SPEAKER_05 3:52

Yeah, and it and it feels so good when you have everything organized in a way that you can defend, should anything come your way that you have to defend.

Licensing Liberty And Everyday Fees

SPEAKER_03 4:02

Yeah, it makes a difference. So I saw something this week that I thought I would share. This is kind of I got a couple things. Got a little bit of a uh a direction we can go today. Okay, so look at this little picture here. Let me add it to the uh stage. Okay, so let's see. What's the best way to do this for you and I? How can we do that? No, don't want that. Yeah, I'm learning. We're running as we go. Here we go. There we go. No, you don't have to turn your camera off. Stay on. Okay. Okay, cool. So can someone please explain this? Licensing liberty. So this is a definition that comes from a court case, Murdoch versus Pennsylvania. No state shall convert a liberty into a license and a charge and charge a fee thereof. And then another one coming from Shuttlesworth versus the city of Birmingham, Alabama. If the state converts a right, a liberty, into a privilege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right liberty with impunity. So, how did we end up with fishing licenses, hunting licenses, driver's licenses, drone licenses, barber licenses, tattoo licenses, travel agent licenses, massage licenses, contractor license, marriage license, camping permit, construction permit, solar panel permit, livestock permit, street vendor permit, concealed carry permit, burn permit, protest permit, photography permit, vehicle registration fees, boat registration fees, bike registration fees, building permit fees, parking meter fees, toll road fees, land use fees, firearm license fee, park entry fee, liquor license fee, and I have a pet permit fee that's not on there too that we usually end up having to get. Isn't that crazy? Aren't all these It really is crazy?

SPEAKER_05 5:46

And you know what's not on there? They don't ask us to put the cameras up, right? Like there's cameras all over the place, but we're not consenting to that. But we're consenting to all of this.

SPEAKER_03 5:59

Oh my goodness, I saw a hilarious video. You know, I watch a lot of those First Amendment auditor videos, right? See how they do? And there's one guy standing outside of a bank and he's on the sidewalk, like on the right-of-way. He's not on private property at all. He's on the right-away and he's filming, and bank manager comes out and he's all mad. Hey, what are you filming for? My customers are uncomfortable, they don't want to be on camera. And the guy pauses the video because it's edited, right? And he's like, Except for that camera, that camera, that camera, that camera. That there's like six cameras. The guy, my customers don't want to be on camera. He's like, they're on camera everywhere. Mine's not tied into the system, you know. He's like, What are you talking about? Did you tell him they were already on camera? Right. It's insane. Totally.

SPEAKER_05 6:46

I mean, literally putting this all together, licensing liberty. If you want to do any of these things, you're gonna have to get a license, or you're breaking the law.

Zoning Shock For Tiny Homes

SPEAKER_03 6:56

Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. And of course, it gets worse too, because when it actually comes to real life and you actually have to uh, you know, deal with this stuff. For example, here's this little video here. Oh, I gotta, I'm still learning this particular platform. So I want to add this. There we go. Okay, so take a look at this. This is a woman who, and I I run into this all the time. In fact, we just ran into this at the Epic Trust because we put an offer in on a lot, and the people who own the lot had planned on turning it into a landscaper construction laydown yard where you park your equipment, you know, fence it off, park your equipment, and it wasn't zoned right. And they'd already bought the lot before they realized they couldn't do what they wanted to do, right? Because everybody thinks if you buy the land, you can do whatever you want. Clearly not. Anyway, so this woman went out and bought a huge chunk of land thinking she could build a couple tiny houses for her kids. Turns out not so much the case. So let's play this here.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

And if you own 37 acres of land, the government will still control your land. Did you all know that? Because I didn't know that. And I just walked into the municipal building and I'm gonna put a tiny home on my property. And he immediately said, nope, you can't do that. I was like, what? What are you talking about? I have 37 acres. There's plenty of room to put a tiny home. Nope, you can't do that. You're zoned to have one house on your property. I'm like, dude, my property is massive. Okay. And this is for my kids' future to have a tiny home. Ultimately, I want three, three little tiny homes in the back corner of our property. Nope, you can't do that. What do you mean you can't do that? No, zoning is planned for I'm like, what plans does the government have for my property? I don't understand what you're saying to me. And you could tell this guy had never gotten any pushback because I was pushing back. Like, you're telling me I can't put a tiny home on my property for my children to live in when they're 18, 19, 20 young adults. What are you talking about? No, it's not zoned for that. Okay, it's a remote. And then he's like, Well, there's a floodplain here. And I was like, he said a hundred-year floodplain. I said, Well, what year are we on? He couldn't tell me. He's like, it doesn't work like that. I was like, what do you mean? What year are we on? Because we put a drain tile in, so I know it's not flooding back there. Okay. So what year is your hundred-year floodplain plan on the map of my property? I can tell you it doesn't flood right here. It doesn't work like that. I'm like, then how does it freaking work? Okay. So you're telling me the hundred-year floodplain plan is really uh forever floodplain plan, according to what you guys think about my own property. Is that what you're telling me? And then he's like, Well, you have to rezone, but they're not going to approve you. I was like, why wouldn't they approve me? It's my property. So it's absolute madness. And let me tell you, he was speechless. And then he ended up giving me contact information to rezone my property so that way I could ultimately build at least one other home on my land. What the actual effort? I had no idea. I thought I was gonna go in there and just say, like, give me the form so I can build a tiny home. And they're like, no, watch, wait, I will come back to you because guarantee you. The hill I die on is when I'm building three tiny homes on my five-acre plot that I rezoned so that my three children can have a space on our family compound. I'm not settling.

SPEAKER_03 10:10

God bless y'all. That's pretty good, isn't it? Isn't that like that? Is I've seen it. My wife overheard that clip, and she's like, whenever I hear that, I just think, good luck, sister. It's like, yeah, no kidding. Are you muted? I think you're muted. I'm all by myself here.

SPEAKER_05 10:32

I'm sorry. There you go. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 10:36

Yeah. So I watch that and I just think, oh my gosh, that's so perfect. You're right. You know, you buy a house, 37 acres, plenty of room for houses here, and a subdivision, darling. Dang.

SPEAKER_05 10:47

But you know, it's so typical that you don't realize until you start going down these roads what you're up against. And you try to be prepped for everything, but you don't know. It's like you have to come back from the future to prepare yourself to go forward.

County Control Through Taxes And Banks

SPEAKER_03 11:04

Yep. Yep. It's it's absolutely nuts. Like that's one of the things I've learned, you know, just years in real estate, is the county has tons of control. Do you know why they have that control?

SPEAKER_05 11:15

No.

Treehouse Permits And Power Cutoffs

SPEAKER_03 11:16

So the reason they have the control is because banks lend money on real estate. And so banks have to have the state involved to enforce the loans. And so when you have a bank loan, then you end up having, you know, the the property, the county can charge property taxes and all the kinds of stuff because it's in their jurisdiction. They have that they're enforcing that first lien position. Once your property's paid off, there is a process you can go through with the county. It's not a land patent, a process you can go through with the county to basically stop paying the property taxes, but you have to own the property completely free and clear. And nobody teaches this. The county is never gonna hold a workshop on how to get out of your property taxes, never gonna happen, right? But it's completely like we, you and I, Lisa, know people who have gone decades without paying their property taxes using the method that that we do. Not a land patent for those of you out there that think that's probably you know, anyways, uh, it is pretty interesting. Uh like uh, did you know that we had a community member that their family had it out with the state of Georgia and their county over a tree house?

SPEAKER_05 12:21

No.

SPEAKER_03 12:22

So our community member, um uh her son was a fellow J6er with me. In fact, that's who this is that I'm gonna play. He was a January Sixer, and he see, let me pull it up here. They built a tree house, they have a hundred acres, and they built a tree house, and he went down to the county to you know permit it and everything like that, and they had it out with him. So he made a little video about it. Here it is.

SPEAKER_02 12:50

Four years ago, we asked the county if we needed a permit to build a tree house, and they said no. My dad always taught me don't sell past the clothes. So I took that answer and went full sin on the treehouse build. And then the county shows up unannounced and uninvited to inspect a totally different structure that we had pulled a permit for, one that we never even built. And they said, What is that? And I was like, bruh, it's the treehouse. They were all like, that's an illegal structure. And I was like, however, they did agree to issue a permit if we brought in a structural engineer. So we found one, hired one, had some plans drawn up, shook hands with the county, and agreed to meet on August 1st, 2023. But before that meeting in July, the county called the independent power company and told them to cut off our power, which they did, even though every bill was paid. No power, no water. We're kind of off grid. There's no city water here. So they literally cut off our water supply. On a totally unrelated note, anybody have a used D8, a bunch of steel plating, and about five tons of concrete? What followed was two weeks of fighting just to get the power turned back on. Then two years of the county putting up roadblock after roadblock of things that were not legally required, clearly trying to make us quit. So we jumped through every hoop, and then they threatened to cut off our power again for not having a permit while literally actively denying us a permit. So my dad, who's Italian and may or may not be in the mafia, I don't know, went down to the planning and zoning director's office and said, Hey, we're gonna have a little talk. Shortly after that, we have the permit in hand. And now they actually want me to make my 800 square foot trio 50% larger, which really is just to raise the property taxes. Permits are just government overreach, they're just more ways to squeeze money out of us and keep control. And yes, we do have an alloneal title to this land. Disclaimer, I didn't point a gun at anybody. Four years ago, we asked the county if we needed a permit to build a treehouse, and they said anyways, that's pretty good.

SPEAKER_03 14:16

That's uh our community member that uh that's their son. I thought that was really fun. I I I kind of was in the background while they were going through that. Uh, he and I are both January 6ers. He spent a year in prison. I spent 14 months in prison. Actually, I don't think he did the full year because he got out on probation, but either way. You know, can we build a tree house? Sure. And then they come out. What is that? Dang. I had an almost identical situation out here in Washington State. I had a client who was building a tree house, and it was actually it's actually a huge tree house. It was two separate tree houses, and they were gonna Airbnb them, and uh they got into building them, and then the county was like, whoa, hold on. And yeah, they had to go through all kinds of permitting and all kinds of stuff to you know make it right. Control it. It's control, it's exactly what it is. It's control. And if you don't know how to deal with the county as far as you know enforcing your rights, then you're kind of stuck. And and they will strong argue. Like, I'm not I'm not here saying people should just go out and start doing whatever the heck they want on their land. It's like pretty idealistic. But uh, if you're if you're willing to take on the fight, you can take it on. These guys did. They took on the fight and they got it, you know, and they they went back and forth. Like that whole issue of getting the power and water cut off, what that did was it prevented them from getting the inspection, you know, and it was like, but you guys are the ones that called him and told them to close it off is really nuts.

SPEAKER_05 15:36

I love how you um went about doing the power of inquiry on the development you were doing for the RV park when they said they wouldn't permit it for more slots. And you just said, where why? Where's this coming from? You challenged.

SPEAKER_03 15:54

So before I before I went to prison, um, after I was indicted, before I went to prison, there was a client we had that had us come out and design, he wanted he started the process of us designing a septic system on a on what was zoned commercial property to put in an RV park. Well, a couple days before he was going to close on the property with seller financing from the seller, he got into a car accident and unfortunately passed away. So I gave it about a week for appropriate morning because I knew the seller and the buyer were friends, and I called up the seller and I said, Hey, we went out there and did the uh septic look at it. And uh, if you're still interested in selling that property, I'd be interested in buying it. So we went out, shook hands, did the whole thing. Took us, took us a good year to go, you know, we got the deal under contract and everything, and but it took us about a year to get the septic design and everything done. But what we did, it was we wanted to put it's almost 10 acres, and we wanted to put a hundred RV slots on it for this RV park. It's a great location. It was just down the road, down the road, it's 20 miles down the road, but it's the road that goes to the national park, uh, Olympic National Park. And so, you know, it's right off the highway. Got your RV, drive up the road, go do your hiking, all that kind of stuff. So it's a really great location. It's right off the highway 101. And the way it works in Washington State is if you're generating over 3,500 gallons of sewer septic per day, you have to do what's called a large on-site septic system, or as we lovingly call them, turd farms. And these but they're regulated by the state, they have to be inspected monthly, you have to do all like it's a higher standard when you have that much sewage because you're basically running a small sewer plant. And so what we did was we're like, well, we're residential guys and we want to keep it in the jurisdiction of the county. And so we decided to, instead of doing one large septic system, we wanted to do, I think, eight small septic systems and tie like 14 of the RVs into each one. So we were well under the daily max per system, and we ran it by the county, and the county said, Yeah, that sounds great. Stays in our jurisdiction, we get the revenue, and uh, you guys can go. So we went ahead and designed it that way. And in the meantime, I guess the someone, one specific lady at the county, decided, I don't like that. I'm uncomfortable with that. I've never done a project like this. I want you to run it through the state. And we're like, well, we're not gonna run it through the state because we can't design it, we can't run it. It's a whole other kitten, it's a whole other ball of wax, right? And we're like, and you gave us approval, and we can't find anywhere in the code if we do it this way that says we can't. It's any individual system that's over 3,500 gallons, not per lot or per, you know, ownership project or anything like that. So we had to, you know, inquire. Can you show us the code where we're not allowed to do this? And they couldn't come back and show us the code. They said, so is there anything that stops us from doing that? And basically their answer was this, and I'm gonna paraphrase the paragraph, our competence. That was the county's response. What prevents us from doing it this way? Our competence. We've never done it, we're not sure. And there's a first time for every skyscraper, you know what I mean? Like, hello, you gotta let us try it. And uh, we can't see any reason why you couldn't. I mean, if this was separate lots, you would let us do it, no problem. Just think of it like that. So we kept running into problems because they kept trying to group it, and we're like, no, you need to look at these applications individually in these zones. And we finally did get it through. And uh then at one point they came back. And when you when you're designing a commercial property like that, there's a fork in the road. You either do like a certain way of design or you do another way. There's there's just a fork where you have to different standards for setbacks and stuff. Well, we took the fork where the county had jurisdiction, and it was um, we were totally good with it, and it we had certain stormwater requirements and stuff. Well, they wanted us to take this other fork, but the problem was that other fork would have led us to the lost system, but they were allowing us to do the smaller systems, but wanted us to do setbacks and everything like it was a different commercial system. So we had a whole hearing and we had to say is you know, we can't find any reason why we can't design it this way for whatever reason you guys want us to do it this way, and we're not we're actually not a big enough project to justify that side, not just on the septic, but the other stuff. And so again, but with that, they were like, well, we'll approve it today if it's 70 units instead of a hundred. Well, when you're doing a commercial project and you're based off potential cash flow, losing 30 rental slips is like, hello, now my ROIs don't work, my cap rate's not right, my financing's not gonna run. You know, you're you're lopping off almost a third of my park. And so we were we stood firm on it, and they were giving us, I mean, in person, like verbally, this will never work, you've got to do it. Uh, 70 units. And we just kept saying, but why, but why, but why, but why? And they could never say why, other than, well, we're not competent to do 100, you know, we're scared, kind of a thing. And so we ended up getting 100, the things built, it's rented out, it's all good. But yeah, it was a, you know, just like any project, it was like a four-year project to finally get it all done.

SPEAKER_05 21:00

But I think the the nuance in questioning, inquiring, inquiring, as opposed to arguing and getting, you know, emotional. Like that's that's a lot of what we do in our community, teaching people how to be in the world in another way that is so much more peaceful.

SPEAKER_03 21:20

Yeah, it is. And that's one of the things. My all my years doing real estate, one of the things I found was bureaucrats, right, sec are basically just glorified secretaries. They rarely have discretion. In fact, a lot of their laws are shall issue permit, shall issue, shall issue, which means it 14th Amendment, equal treatment under the law. You can't discriminate from me on any reason other than the project, right? If I don't meet the requirements that you guys have set aside and voted on, then you can then you can not approve the project. But if I check all the boxes, they don't really have discretion. If I meet the setbacks and meet the sewer treatment and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, they have to issue the permit. But a lot of bureaucrats. And a lot of building departments and planning departments and a lot of these different places, they want to exercise control. I don't know how to describe it other than unrighteous dominion. You know, they feel like they own the county and it's your privilege to live there. And um, I never saw this better than one time I had a client who was building on a on a road. It wasn't far out of town, but the county didn't have enough transformers to extend power supply down this dirt road. Well, they created all these lots and they would all been sold. So all these people had these lots thinking that all they had to do was, you know, put in the power and drill a well and away they go. That's normally how it works. They don't create the lots unless they have the power for them. Well, the the Puget Sound Energy, I guess this was public utility district number four or something like that. We're like, we don't have enough transformers, so we're not gonna get uh power down that road for 20 years. You know, they had some ridiculous amount of time because they would have had to trench the road. There was a lot of work that would have had to been done to do that. And my client was like, Well, I'm not gonna wait 20 years to build on my property. And he's a meteorologist, and he's like, tell you what, I'm just gonna do a solar panel farm and I'm gonna do battery banking. So he spent the money, had it engineered, had a big solar panel array, you know, had had a whole shed that was just full of batteries. So he was never gonna run out of power. He had it all figured out and he applied for the permits, and the county rejected it just outright. Nope, can't have build a house unless you can get power and water and sewer. And if you can't get power, you can't get water and sewer. And so he appealed to the state. And, you know, in the state of Washington, there's a lot of people that build cabins up in the mountains that don't have power. And the state was like, actually, if the city or the county can't provide power, that's not enough reason to prevent somebody from building. Nice. And so, but they had an email that they sent to him say we won't allow any kind of building or any development where you don't hook up to the grid because it's not good for the quote. This was the words in the county's email. It's not good for the collective.

SPEAKER_05 23:58

Yeah, I was gonna say these are billing opportunities. Well, but the collective, who's the collective?

Seattle Permits And COVID Authority

SPEAKER_03 24:03

Yeah, private property. What are you talking about? The collective. Yeah, that's not how they see it. Like, what are you talking about? The collective Soviet Union, you know, hey comrade. And so, anyways, the county came back and said, no, he can he can build a power uh uh solar array. We let cabins do it all the time. So they forced the county to say yes, and that's the thing, they will say yes if you force their hand. And so they said yes, and so we were there installing the septic, and he was putting up these big solar panels, but I just thought that was like, you know, you gotta you gotta try. You have to compel these people to say yes. Don't take no for an answer. Get into the code, and right now with AI, it's so easy to say review the codes for such and such, and you know, find a loophole for me. And they usually will. Um, we had a I had another instance where I got a call from a client, the guy was a Japanese guy, spoke barely spoke English, and he owned this lot in the city limits of Seattle. It's kind of in their north, one of the subdivisions north of the city, but it was in the city limits. So we had to go through the city of Seattle building department, which is like floor number 40 in one of those skyscrapers downtown. It was hilarious to get the permits or to go talk to them. You had to show they opened their doors at 10 a.m. So you had to show up about 9:30, no later than that. You what you did was you went in and you told the door guard that you were going to a floor up above it. So you went in, took the elevator up to like the 41st floor, and then you waited there. And as soon as 10 o'clock rolled around, you jumped in the elevator and dropped a floor and went in and got in front in front of the line. Because if you waited until 10 and then got in the elevator from the bottom floor and 300 people in line. That's funny. So contractors knew the trick. We were like, go in, get up high, and then drop down a floor and go in. And then when all the people off the street show up, they're like, How did these people get in? We were in line down there. So, anyways, we went in there and we wanted this guy called me. He had a lot and he had uh enough room on the lot that he wanted to put what they call a dadu, a detached additional dwelling unit. And basically he wanted to have, you know, the house and then the dadu. Well, the dadu wasn't the problem. The problem was he wanted to put in a manufactured house in the city limits of Seattle. And he'd already bought the manufactured house before he had the permits or anything. He saw a good deal and went and bought it. Well, the city of Seattle decades ago passed some law or some ordinance that said that they weren't going to allow any manufactured houses in the city limits at all anymore. And that got challenged. Somebody tried to do it and challenged it, went to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court came back and said, if it has a HUD tag, how housing and urban development, they've approved it for housing, a house is a house is a house. They have to allow them. So the city of Seattle was like, okay, well, if we have to allow them, what we can do is we can determine what they have to apply for in the permits to do it, and we can make it so overburdensome that nobody will ever want to or be able to put in a double or a manufacturing. So I got a hold of the building codes. I saw what was required. Basically, we had to go through all the hoops that a normal single family residence would. And so we did that. We called up the manufactured home dealer, we paid extra money for actual architecture, we paid a the engineer, paid for the engineering office to make sure we had the engineering. Like we we did everything you had to do for a normal stick built for this, turned it all in. And it took us a it took us about 18 months, start to finish, which is a really long time for residential permits. Um, especially because we did everything, like it wasn't slow, but they kept coming back. Like, are you sure? It was like, yep, push it through. We did get the approval. So then we installed the manufactured house. Every time, because in the city of Seattle, there's an inspection for like, okay, we see, can you come inspect? Hey, we you know what I mean? Hey, we dropped off some materials, can you come inspect? Hey, we put up the silk fit. Like, there's tons of inspections. Every time an inspector came out, they were like, What's going on here? This isn't right. What's going on? They were like reviewing their paperwork, like you know, they'd never seen a manufactured home in the city limits of Seattle. And every single one of them, their gut reaction was we were doing something wrong and had to review the permits, and they were all like, How'd you get this? You know, it's like we didn't even have to bribe anybody, man. We just applied. Unbelievable. I'll never forget that. We were doing the construction during COVID in Seattle, had just lost their minds with COVID, right? So we're we're construction guys, we're out there, we're we're like doing masonry blocks for the skirting. There's concrete dust, and we're not wearing masks, like we're outside, okay. Inspector comes on, she wouldn't even walk on the property till we put on a mask, and we didn't even have any. So we were like, Yeah, no, that doesn't work, that doesn't qualify. We're like, all right, so we went and got bandanas or walked down to the gas station and bought some masks or something outside inspection, right? She wouldn't even walk on the property unless we had masks. It was the stupidest thing I've ever been a part of.

SPEAKER_05 29:04

People really got off on their newfound ability to exercise authority during COVID.

SPEAKER_03 29:11

Oh, it was absolutely bonkers, man. It was the wildest thing.

SPEAKER_05 29:15

It was disgusting. It's like, really, you have that much of a need to have power over others. It was really Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:26

Hey, let's take a quick break right now because I want to talk about Rumble wallet. So at 1776, we're constantly dealing with, we're constantly dealing with cryptocurrencies, Bitcoin specifically, that's my favorite. And we're always talking about how to put them in trust and stuff like that. Here's a little inside scoop that many creators are talking about behind the scenes. It's actually one of the reasons why I'm using Rumble and why we're here on Rumble. They made a way to super to super chat creators who get paid immediately without any fees. YouTube, Twitch can take up to 50% fees when you tip creators. This method takes none. That's right. The platform takes zero fees. I keep nearly 100% of what you send me, and you can super chat with Bitcoin, TetherUSD, or even Tether Gold stable coins. The tip will show up directly in a rumble chat, which I'll do my best to read. All you need to do is download the Rumble Wallet on the App Store and send the tips to your favorite creators. You can, you can to Rumble Wallet, you can to wallet.rumble.com or you can download the app directly from the app stores. Seriously, what an amazing way to get rid of the middleman and help the creator economy. Shout out to Rumble for making this disruptive technology. And it's not just to tip creators. The Rumble Wallet is a great way to have custody of your Bitcoin on your phone. You get the whole you get all the passwords and everything. So I highly recommend if you're interested in cryptocurrencies, Rumble Wallet is a very low barrier of entry, very easy way to do it. They don't do any, know your client, KYC, which banks do and stuff like that. So it really is a private wallet. I think so at least. Okay, so that out of the way. Let's add you back onto the stage, Lisa. I like to do those when we get a chance. I'm supposed to do so many every month. And shoot, if I can do them during Liberty Lounge, that's just great.

Real Estate Career And Licensing Web

SPEAKER_05 31:12

Absolutely. I would love to ask you to go back a little bit and review and tell this audience, because you during peasants' perspective, you never talk about your real estate background. Tell this audience how deep your real estate background is and all of the different licenses. This we're talking about licensing, right? Broker fee, all the background that you've had and how you helped apply it in our class.

SPEAKER_03 31:43

So when I was in college, um, when I was in college, one of the the really one of my first jobs I got was as a mortgage broker. I worked for Academy Mortgage and I worked for a guy who was really into mortgages, like understanding the underwriting and stuff like that. And this is back in the subprime days where, you know, if you could fog a mirror, you could get a loan. And he handed me this manual that he wrote. It was spiral bound, you know, he wrote it, spiral bounded. It was like an inch and a half thick. And I read the whole thing, basically how mortgages work, how they're originated, how they're underwritten, different, all the different terms and vocabulary. It was this massive, it was this massive manual. I wasn't like a prolific mortgage broker. I did a couple loans for some college kids buying townhouses and some investor that was flipping a house. I think I helped my dad refinance his house. And um, but I was getting a degree in political science and I had other jobs at the same time. So I was working night shift at Super 8. So I was managing a uh motel, so I kind of got to see the inner workings of how a hotel runs and is managed and stuff like that. And then I also got a job as a low voltage electrician, and this was kind of a weird deal. I got it on a whim, but it was money. And uh I was a low voltage electrician, and I was the only guy in Idaho that was there. That's why they hired me. I was in Idaho, and the city I was in, Rexburg, Idaho, they were building a new part of the hospital, like a whole huge wing. And so we did the HVAC building management, heating and air. I did the Twin Falls Mormon Temple, I did a prison down in Rigby, Idaho, and my job was to run all the wiring. Basically, from the day construction started, I was there putting in conduit all the way to the very end. I was there programming the thermostats, right? So I was a part of the construction from start to finish. So I got to see, you know, here's the lending and how money works. And oh yeah, by the way, here's where that money goes and how it pays the builders and draws. And then uh I got my degree in political science, and my plan was to do something else. And uh, but it was the first year of the recession and nobody could get work. And I saw there was a series of things that happened, but I saw a Hummer that pulled up to my apartment complex and it had writing on the window said if you didn't make 20 grand last month, call and it had a phone number. And this cute little girl jumped out and she was like a cheerleader. Like I'm thinking, is that daddy's hummer? Like, you can't be more than 18, 19 years old. And I was like, hey, what what's up with the 20 grand a month? And she goes, Oh, my husband and I invest in real estate and we flip houses, and you you should call him. So I was like, okay, so I called him and he invited me out to a meeting, really similar to like what we do with Ignite, and it was about real estate education. So I ended up doing the real estate education, it was a two-year program. And in the process of doing that, I learned how to flip houses. So, like my first year, we started doing short sales and some subject twos, and we ended up doing like 28 houses, just me and a couple partners. And uh, so that's I got into real, like I was a mortgage broker, and then I was a low voltage electrician building, and then I got into real estate as a flipper, short seller, that kind of thing. And uh eventually it took me from Idaho down to Utah for a short time, to Boise, Idaho, and then eventually up here to Washington. I was chasing the real estate market. I got up here to Washington and I just kept doing real estate short sales mostly, but then short sales, the realtors got in on the game. When I started doing short sales, we'd call the bank, negotiated a discount price from the mortgage because it was overvalued to the market rate, right? And realtors would tell us that was against the law, you can't do that, it's got to go to foreclosure first. And we're like, we're doing it. Like, we're doing it, we're closing, you know, we're closing and selling. We're the only ones making money. You guys are all telling your clients they have to lose money. We can at least take it off their hands before it goes to foreclosure. And uh, but then pretty soon it became ubiquitous in the real estate industry. If you were a realtor, you were doing short sales because in some markets it was like 60, 70% of listings were they owed more than what the market value was. And so then it became like too cool, and uh there was no niche anymore for us because literally like every retail buyer was trying to do a short sell, and they don't ask for as deep a discounts as investors do, and so that led me to the foreclosure auctions. So we started flipping houses at the foreclosure auctions. All in all, by the time I was done doing the foreclosure auctions, I think we'd done well over 250 houses. I'd stopped counting at some point, like it you just can't keep track of it. And um always with investors, you know, always helping other people. Um, I was I was one of the guys that had the brains and the know-how and usually partnered up with people who had the money and no time and no know-how. And uh, we made it work. And but then uh, and during that time period, I also had my realtor's license. And I also ended up getting my contractor's license because what happened was the uh at the foreclosure auctions, towards I want to say like 2012, 2011, somewhere around that time frame, the market had recovered enough, but it was still pretty rock bottom that real estate investment trusts and real estate private equity funds coming from New York started showing up at the auctions in Washington State, Pierce County, King County, Kittsap County, that the counties I was working in. So, you know, we used to buy houses never more than about 70 cents on the dollar, oftentimes much less than that if it needed work. But uh they were paying retail for junk, like they were paying market value for junk, and they weren't flipping them, they were just putting them in a portfolio and sitting on them for a couple years. But all of a sudden, we were, you know, went from buying one, two houses a week, four sometimes, to zero, zero, one, zero, zero. We were bidding these guys up, like we were making sure they were paying retail, but it's high risk to bid people up because every now and then one would drop on you, you know. And I watched some guys but pay like 90 cents on the dollar when the bank would back or the the private equity would back out, and they were like, yeah we can't do this forever because we were trying to chase them out. Well, you can't chase out people that come with billions of dollars, yeah. So um that that led me to get my contractor's license because we just jumped into spec building because you could buy lots super cheap, and we were just like, well, just throw houses on them, like why not? And we'd done you know, so much rehab, it's like building wasn't a problem, con you know, subcontracting wasn't a problem. So we did spec houses, and then that led me to ultimately buy an excavation business and end up getting my septic installer and design license. So then I became like a developer. We did not only residential development for just homeowners that were uh, you know, wanting to build a house, but we started applying for the permits, we started facilitating the permit application for our clients, and then we started doing some subdivisions. We did two pretty big subdivisions here in Kittsap County, and uh yeah, that that was what I was doing up until I got arrested for January 6th. I was just property development, and uh it was great. But yeah, lots of when it comes to single family residential, whether it's just a lot being developed or whether it's a subdivision, I've done I think all of it, you know, I've done rezoning, I've done every permit that you need for stuff like that.

SPEAKER_05 38:53

And so yeah, being able to put the pieces together for for the majority of people, it's all kind of compartmentalized, you know, the the real estate part, the mortgage part, the development part, the investing in or flipping and all of that. And then, like we were talking about cryptocurrency, the privacy part, you know, trusts, the stuff that we do in 1776 Live, and how you said you had wished you were doing those strategies throughout your trust.

Trusts Taxes And Forced Do Overs

SPEAKER_03 39:25

Yeah, I did get my insurance license along the way in that process. I never sold insurance, I got my license though, so I learned all the stuff we're supposed to learn. Um, yeah. The the thing that I there were a couple different times where I would add up, you know, how much real estate we do in the last 12 months, and it was you know, tens of millions of dollars in real estate. And of course, how much profit, millions and millions of dollars. And it would, you know, I mean, I got my commissions and I got my percentages and stuff like that, but it wasn't it was fleeting, you know, you're paying taxes, you're paying fees, you're you're you're plowing it back into your corporations because you've got to make a profit and stuff like that. And it just kind of, you know, even after all those deals and all that time, it was like there wasn't a lot to show for it. And I talk to real estate investors like this all the time. Like you might end up with a watt of cash, but just the way we did it, I didn't end up with like a portfolio of property because even when we keep a property as a rental, typically two years later we had to we had to bail out of it for one reason or another and either get the equity to move on to a big flip we were trying to do, or you know, the client a lot of times were partnerships, the client wanted their equity and we couldn't buy them else, we'll just sell the property. But had we utilized trust vehicles, we could have captured a lot of that and we could have trust.

SPEAKER_05 40:40

I feel like the way the system is set up, you're always playing the game of tax avoidance, right? It's like when you have a corporation, you want to spend the money, so you have to pay taxes on it, right? So you're constantly spending as opposed to looking at things from a different perspective where you aren't necessarily going to cause a tax event if you hold the property in a trust, right?

SPEAKER_03 41:08

Well, and and you you realize when you're doing that, like you know, all through the 20 years that I was doing that, you realize that the IRS and the tax system is they don't care about the money. Like, just be frank, they have magic money printers in the sky. They do not care about the money, they'll print it for whatever they want. What they care about is control. So, like if you're gonna go buy a uh a work vehicle and you start looking at the tax code, they want you to buy one that's over 6,000 but under 12,000 pounds, and it's got to be made here, and it's gotta have, you know, this energy efficiency thing, it's got to run on ethanol, or it's gotta, you know, it's like so you're in, in order for you to get a write-off, you've got to buy a certain couple products. What I couldn't buy was the truck that would have been better for us, which was a small dump truck, because it didn't qualify for the small pickup write-off because it would have been a large pickup and we would have only gotten a 25% write-off on it. And so you start making decisions based on credits or based on deductions. Same thing when we would do rehabs. It was like, hey, this is a piece of garbage property in a freaking ghetto in Tacoma and it needs a new hot water heater. Should we go down to Walmart and buy the$350 one? It's like, no, go buy the$1,200 one because it's a quote, energy efficient one, and then we can write off the$1,200. You know, and it was like, but so we'd spend more to get a couple extra bucks in write-offs, you know, and it's like it's they were incentivizing you to build with certain project products, go green, you know, and all these different things through the tax code. And it was it's exhausting because you do find yourself like making decisions based on tax avoidance rather than based on what's best for your business.

SPEAKER_05 42:45

Yeah, and you said one day, and I I think we produced a podcast stop starting over again. Yeah, it you're constantly reorganizing yourself to figure out a better way, and you can't get ahead. It is set up literally, so you can't get ahead if it's a control mechanism or billing opportunities, whatever it is, until you start putting these pieces together of privacy and trust and equity. And this real estate piece that you bring is profound because that's the structure that it builds that uh generational wealth for.

SPEAKER_03 43:29

Yeah, that's how you that's the thing. There's T. Andrew Coleman. He said, you know, we've got to be kidding ourselves. And he was the IRS commissioner back in the 50s. So he was the IRS commissioner. It'd been around for 50 years by the time he showed up. He says, We've got to be kidding ourselves. People don't understand the buying power of success, which is, you know, to keep your wealth and pass it on generationally. He says, people don't understand the uh the buying power of success. And then he goes on to say, we've punished them by. Income taxing, we punish success by income tax. The more you make, the higher your tax bracket, right? And through death and estate taxes, we force every generation to start over again. What led to the Gilded Age was a couple things. But first and foremost was Andrew Jackson killed the central bank. And then that led to a four-year depression because the economy had to reset. And then it led to an unbelievable amount of growth because currency was decentralized, banking was decentralized, it was based on honor. And, you know, you'd go in, dress up, go talk to your banker, get a loan. They knew you, they believed in your project. And it led to the Gilded Age. But it also led to unbelievable amounts of success for families like the Rockefellers or the Carnegies, you know, American Oil, the railroads. And so then comes along the progressive era.

SPEAKER_05 44:53

Oh, you froze. It's so fascinating to hear how this steps up with all these people that we are so familiar with, these names, the Carnegie's, the Rockefellers. Like they had it all figured out. They weren't starting all over again. Oh, we lost Taylor. He'll come back. I have faith. He wouldn't leave me all by myself here with all you guys. I wish you guys would come into the studio. Here he comes. There he is. Yay!

SPEAKER_03 45:30

Okay, so familiar with the families that we've heard. The Carnegies, the Rockefellers, yeah. Rothschilds, you throw them in there too. Um and so the Progressive Era, right? Teddy Roosevelt, the trust busters, and they went around and they wanted to bust these trusts. And here's the truth of the matter those guys, Rockefellers, Carnegie's, they were bigger than the United States government. They controlled more resources, they controlled more land, they, you know, they could shut off the GDP to the country. That's how powerful they were. So I understand for the people why you'd want to do some trust busting, because you know, they were basically just these ginormous monopolies. But they did it through trust, which is why they call it trust busting. And then that led to the corporate era. We talk about this in 1776 live quite a bit. And I encourage everybody to come to the Ignite presentation and get involved with the community because you know, to understand your history kind of helps you understand where you're at now.

Broken Laws As A Control Tool

SPEAKER_05 46:26

Um, yeah, so so you just mentioned that. So for Thursday 30 Pacific Standard Time, Thursdays, we have a weekly meeting and we kind of dive into what 1776 Live is all about. So please come.

SPEAKER_03 46:41

Yeah. So you were mentioning, right, we were talking about all these incentive programs, and it made me think of this quote right here. Let me throw this up here. This is from Ayn Rand from Atlas Shrugged. And she uh it says in the book, it says, Do you think that we want you think that what do you really think that what we want those laws to be observed? Do you really think that we want those laws to be observed? Sorry guys, I can't read today. We want them broken. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's what's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted, and you create a nation of lawbreakers, and then you can cash in on guilt, right? And that's that's what I see a lot of times. When we go back to that first um image with all the licensing, it's like, how did we do this? It's well, cash it in on your guilt. You know what I mean? They make laws for everything, and they can enforce them when they want to, when they don't, you know, if the park ranger's out, he'll catch it for fishing. If not, fish away. You know, it's just it's insanity, but there's there's a rule for everything. When you're on your what you think is your own private property, it ain't so private, is it? You know, everything you do, you have to have permission.

SPEAKER_05 48:12

And even if they haven't man, or I was gonna say mandate, even if it's not a law with what happened with COVID, they started pushing things that were mandates as if they were laws and telling you that you're breaking the law, like you know, you didn't have your mask on, you know, you can't go to school, you can't do this, you can't do that.

SPEAKER_03 48:32

It's insane. Yeah, we we got to see some real tyranny and some heavy hands come out during COVID. And I hope we don't forget it. I hope it takes us a couple generations to forget that. You know, I hope I hope people resist.

SPEAKER_05 48:45

You play was it you was it Peasant's Perspective this week? You played a clip of don't ever forget what they did.

SPEAKER_03 48:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 48:52

Oh, what you you gotta play that. That was so good. If you've got it.

SPEAKER_03 48:58

Oh man, I might it might I don't know if I don't have it handy. I'd have to go for it. But yeah, like you can't forget what these people tried to do. And it's crazy because now we're finding out how much of a scam COVID was. Literally, like the virus, what they told us about it, the vaccines, the masks, the social distancing, all of it, everything, top to bottom. There was nothing about it that wasn't a scam, you know, and yet people's lives were destroyed, marriages were wrecked, families were roomed, people didn't go to grandparents' funerals, couldn't visit them in their in their last days, businesses were closed, bankruptcies happened. Where's the restitution? Where's the recompense for that? You know, instead, Anthony Parton just got a Anthony Fauci just got a pardon, and we're supposed to move on.

SPEAKER_05 49:42

Um, it's from from the he got a pardon from the auto pen.

COVID Reckoning And Restitution

SPEAKER_03 49:46

Yeah, and then you get you know, you get into it deeper. Obviously, you know, as a January 6th where I'm pretty sensitive to the whole election thing, but it's like the whole thing with the COVID emergency orders to suspend state election constitutions to change the election protocols without any legislatures involved, any voters involved, just literally secretaries of the state being like, we're doing mail-in balloting. Oh, and we're gonna consolidate instead of counting the ballots in every elementary school gym where you go to vote, we're taking them all to the to the convention center and we're doing it all in one central place. Anytime you centralize anything, hello, communists, the collective, you know.

SPEAKER_05 50:20

So, what is your opinion with what we're facing now? We want the Save America Act, we want people, you know, all the I'm not gonna break it down, but what are we looking at in your opinion for people to be able to vote and prove their citizenship? We're getting close. I mean, it's March.

Save America Act And Voter Proof

SPEAKER_03 50:38

So the the way I look at the Save America Act, it primarily deals with proving you're a citizen to register and proving you're a citizen to vote, right? So it's the two times once when you register, once when you go to drop off your ballot. And it's supposed to eliminate mail-in ballots too, because mail and ballots is just the there's no chain of custody, the fraud is just off the charts. One of the podcast listeners that listened all the way five years ago when we first started, he's a post, he was, he's actually changed his job since then, but he was a postman out in Kansas, right? And he flat out told us, he says, I know mail carriers that are purposely hiding ballots in their trucks and waiting until after election day because they know those people they're picking up ballots from are Republicans. He says, I know that's happening. I encouraged him to be a whistleblower. He's like, Man, I don't know if it's worth it, you know, because the election's already over, but I know that happened. And it was like, there's you can't trust the post office, you can't trust the chain of custody if you don't go in and pull the levers and you know put the put your ink in. And and so, in fact, there's a law from 1899 that says that you can only have ballots that are handwritten or levers, you can't have anything else, and that law has never been stricken, which means all of these electronic machines that they never overrode that law. They all can't be certified by that law, anyways.

SPEAKER_05 51:59

But what about what about the the what was it? The marking on the ballots? There was uh it's it's everything.

SPEAKER_03 52:08

There's there's nothing about it, right? If you can't control who registers, you can't control the universe of ballots that are created. So you look at some of these blue states, and it's like you registered a million people in the state of Illinois from 2022 to 20 or from 2018 to 2020. It's not about a million people that move there. So if you can't control the universe of ballots by you know controlling who registers, then you can't control how many ballots are printed. And if you don't control who comes in and actually votes, then you can generate those ballots any way you want as long as they get into the tabulators. There's no tracking because there's no connection from the envelope or the ballot and the person, right? It's just a ballot. Like that's it's supposed to be a blind ballot. So once the ballot's counted, you can't go back and go, oh, this person's illegal. Let's pull their ballot out of the stack. It's gone. And then add on top of that, the actual vote fraud in the machines and the manipulations, which I'm a firm believer that that's happening. Um, yeah, it it's a no-win situation. So if the Save America Act gets passed, that forces voter rolls to get cleaned up, it forces identification and eliminates the mail-in balloting. That right there is like half the battle. Then on the other end, I'm almost certain from the tea leaves I'm reading that the Dominion voting machines, the Smart Matic, ESNS, Hart, Dybold, all of them, what's going to end up happening with those is Trump will do an executive order declaring a national emergency based on foreign interference, and he'll basically say all of those have got to go. So if they can get the Save America Act passed, then he can do an emergency order based on national security. That's pretty undeniable for that.

SPEAKER_05 53:44

So what if they don't pass the Save Act? Can't he still do an executive order?

SPEAKER_03 53:50

This is what you know, this is the criticism. He's written many executive orders, they just go ignored. Right? Like somebody has to enforce them. And if you've only got a political operative at the top of the department and nobody's willing to enforce it, what are you gonna do? Yeah. And so, you know, it's it it it politics is politics. Like, just because he's president doesn't mean he's the dictator. Like he's you know, he still gets held up by the courts, he still gets held up by the senators, he still gets, you know, he's gotta act within his capacity because if he breaks too many eggs, then he'll get impeached. And if he, you know what I mean, at the same time they're gonna impeach him anyway.

SPEAKER_05 54:25

If I mean this this midterm is so important.

SPEAKER_03 54:28

Oh yeah. The uh did you hear, um did you hear about uh C CNN had their had their Harry Enton, their pollster on? This is pretty funny. I'll show you this. Anytime somebody talks to me about the Democrats losing the election, and they don't clarify it with if the Save America Act isn't passed, anytime someone's like, Well, the Democrats are gonna win the midterms, as if it's some kind of given, I just think you guys are absolutely nuts. So let me show you this here. I gotta remove this and then add this.

SPEAKER_05 55:05

I'm gonna turn some lights on. It's getting very dark in here.

SPEAKER_03 55:08

Okay, so let me add this to the stage. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 55:15

How are voters feeling about Democrats right now?

SPEAKER_00 55:18

Yeah, I mean, Democrats in the minds of the American public are lower than the Dead Sea. What are we talking about here? Well, let's take a look. The net approval rating for Democrats and Congress, you syndicate Baldwin, the lowest ever. Look at this. Overall, they are 55 points underwater. Their approval rating is south of 20%. It's even worse when you look at independence. Look at this. Negative 61 points. That means that their approval rating is 61 points lower than their disapproval rating. Quinnippiac has been polling this question for the better part of the 21st century. They have never found Democrats, at least those in Congress, in worse shape than they are right now.

SPEAKER_03 55:57

So anytime, anytime someone's like, well, the Republicans are going to lose the midterms, I'm like, only if they cheat. Like they're not popular. They can't win elections. Now Republicans got to get a vote. But even when people are like, Republicans don't show up enough to vote, I'm like, we show up enough, but you're not showing us that our vote is being counted appropriately. Like, that's really demotivating for a conservative voter. Anyways, that's my thing. Like, if anybody says, oh, they're gonna lose the midterms because of Iran, oh, another poll came out. Trump's more popular now than Bush, Obama, you know, basically every president in our lifetime at this stage. Shocker. Oh, guess what? Everything he's done in Iran, wildly popular. Could never tell on MS now. You know what I mean? So it's like, I think America's behind him completely, but you've got to secure the election because you have these loose, it's what uh Senator Kitty calls them loose chickens, right? It's like you've got to secure these elections. Washington State, Colorado, Illinois. These are states that absolutely could flip Republican. Oh, the only states that Kamala Harris won were the states that did all mail-in balloting and no voter ID. There's the only states she won. So just that alone could change it all. They the Democrats are only running on Orange Man bad.

SPEAKER_05 57:15

Yeah, it's true. They have no ideas.

SPEAKER_03 57:18

Yeah, so anybody who's like, oh, the Republicans are gonna lose the midterm if Trump doesn't change course. It doesn't matter what Trump does at this point. Nobody wants to elect a Democrat unless you're an illegal immigrant, a pedophile, a criminal, uh, LG, you know what I mean? Unless you're one of these niche, tiny little one, two, three, four percent segments of the population, which by the way, all fight each other. Like LGBTQ plus TIA movement and the Islam movement are not compatible.

SPEAKER_05 57:48

No, and it's so weird what's going on in in the infighting and like the Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes is you know insane.

SPEAKER_03 57:58

I I I saw this great meme that was showing clips of Trump talking about going after Iran all the way back to like '88. Oh, yeah. What he was gonna do, and all and all this stuff. And he and someone said the comment Trump didn't leave MAGA because that's the thing. Oh, Trump's guy, he's not MAGA, he's not MAGA for Trump didn't leave MAGA, MAGA left him. Like he's been saying the same thing and going to do the same thing the whole time. But a lot of people projected in what they wanted. Oh, I'm I'm on Maha. Well, you gotta let glycephate, you know, the glycophate exists.

Polls Midterms And Securing Elections

SPEAKER_05 58:30

I think I sincerely think they're such shallow, they don't understand the depth of draining the swamp. I just think I said this on one of our other chats. Draining the swamp is a global effort, they want everything local or you know, domestic, but we have international interference with the elections. We have international interference with people coming in, like the the level of fraud, yes, they infiltrated every single institution are you know.

SPEAKER_03 59:07

Did you did you see that the um did you see that the uh deficit is down 57%? Yes.

SPEAKER_05 59:16

And imagine if they got fraud out. We'd balance the budget.

SPEAKER_03 59:22

We'd balance the budget.

SPEAKER_05 59:24

And everybody's saying you're not getting enough of the illegals out. You know what my husband said? He's like, you know what? They went about this, telling we're coming to you know, Missouri. We're gonna come get the illegals. He's like, they need to shut up and go where they're gonna go. They don't need to give us the stats.

Chicago Steak Company Sponsor Break

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SPEAKER_05 1:01:28

You just made me hungry and we're at our we're at our hour mark. I didn't know if you had anything else you wanted to go over, but I do.

Unplugging From Permission Culture

SPEAKER_03 1:01:35

I wanted to show, I wanted to share this with you guys. So this right here is a quote from the movie The Matrix. And this is this is really where I've settled, you know, why things don't change. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it. I love that scene. That's the scene where Neo is about ready to take the pill, right? But that's where most people are, is they're just stuck. They're stuck thinking they have to act ask permission for everything. They're stuck constantly doing that. I have a friend that shared this video with me the other day. Let me uh let me find it here. I have a friend who shared this video with me uh about uh about two weeks ago, and I've been holding on to it ever since. This is his son. His son's about twice this age now. At this point, he's only six years old. Okay. But this is what we need. We we need more dads like this that teach their sons like this so that we can take our country back.

Community Invite And Closing

SPEAKER_04 1:02:47

I just want to tell you something about that. We can just go to Home Depot and buy vote now, like practice with it over time. We don't have to listen to the dumb law. Who can? They don't make our life choices. We make our life choices. So are we gonna let the government control our rain about life? I don't think so. That's not how my dad is not how I am because that's pretty good, isn't it?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:17

That's damn good.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:19

I love that. I love I love that little kid. He was on my son's basketball team this year. Anyways, super fun again, right? The government doesn't have to do that stuff. We allow them to do it because a lot of people just don't want to unplug, they'll defend the system thinking it's in their best interest. How many people went up through fits about masks for no reason? So prepare accordingly.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:43

Yeah, and and come be with other like-minded folks, it'll help you gain the confidence to ask the questions and to not just go along to get along, but to create the life you want to have and live as privately and and empowered as you can.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:01

Absolutely. All right, so we've reached our hour, we're a little over. Thank you so much, you guys, for joining us. We really appreciate it. And I'll be around tomorrow morning, 6 30 a.m. for Peasants Perspective. We'd love for you to join us on Thursday night for our Ignite presentation. Go to 1776live.us and register, and we'll see you there.