The biggest breakthrough in energy since the discovery of electricity , A private Q&A with physicist

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(00:01) [Music] welcome everyone welcome welcome uh a great time to put phones on airplane mode because we're going to talk about some of the most complex things in the universe for an hour after lunch whose idea was that but we're going to do it um just a quick uh introduction to housekeeping uh I'm Dr David Rock uh my accent's Australian so you don't have to try and work it out um based in North America for 15 years I'm super passionate about taking complex science and making it accessible to the mainstream especially things that
(00:35) deserve to be shared I've been doing that for a long time uh around educating the million people who run the world in how to be more Mindful self-aware and socially conscious through the lens of real science Neuroscience have helped millions of people uh understand humans better in places of power um but I ran it into SIM last year and not physically we run into each other now we saw you somewhere in the world and it was blown away by the importance of his science and his intellect and his work uh and I was just I was horrified that he didn't
(01:06) have like a book to announce that he's literally solved something Einstein couldn't solve and you have to have a book and he's like no I'm too busy I'm like talk to the sea I know we're too busy I'm like I'm coming to help you and I turned up in Geneva unannounced and uh we're putting out a book called unified and then like oh you need Capital so let's get you to Davos and here we are so I'm kind of supporting a really important Mission you can decide for yourself how important it is I think it's one of the most important things
(01:33) I've heard in decades so that's me that's me I'm just going to be facilitating asking questions I'll manage the questions there'll be time for questions at the end please hold them we got a wonderful set of questions that if I was an investor I would want to ask him so we're going to be kind of walking through logically there'll be the investment opportunity itself will be discussed towards the end and there'll be about 10 minutes for questions at the end as well um I just want you to know there'll be a further
(01:56) like deep dive into the science we'll have some time on the science but there'll be a real deep dive in the science for Approved potential investors for a 2-hour session coming up in a month or so so if you're like oh I want more science we'll we'll do that for the the the group of people that are kind of the right group there um Sarah's going to speak uh Sarah's the CEO do you want to introduce yourself Sarah yeah hi everyone thanks for coming just a brief introduction so we can Dive Right In with Nim my name is Sarah Omni I'm the
(02:21) CEO of the International Space Federation I've been leading the companies for about 3 years I was involved with them in California we moved them over to Europe 2 years ago our headquarters are now in Geneva with our laboratory a little across the border in France there we have about uh 20 staff and that includes our engineers and scientists working from the laboratory in theoretical research and research and development into the ADV Advanced Energy Technologies so thank you for joining us here today amazing thanks Sarah and Sarah and I will take
(02:49) questions about the investment opportunity at the end um how many of you uh invest in something to do with energy and climate and saving the world how many of you are interested in that okay very good you're in the right place so let's uh let's start at the beginning um what got you interested in um solving physics I mean the way I explain you you've kind of solved a hundred-year challenge in physics where did that start um well you know you're all making me nervous um I uh I was very inquisitive child and my father uh was a child psychologist
(03:28) fairly famous One work with p was director of P Institute in Geneva and so on and I had a lot of philosophical discussion with him very early on um about the nature of reality and um I ended up through my educational system um to um to becoming a mountain guide and ski coach and so on and being in nature every day and for me there was such evidence of incredible organization and nature and relationships and that didn't match the the scientific academic um knowledge that tells us that the universe is random that this all happened by chance
(04:17) and so on and so I for me it was like how is this possible what is this organization how does it work there must be some fundamental principle that are missing in our physics and so it became a passion for me to say to try to understand this and eventually it took over my uh sport life and I you know gave up my ski coaching career and became uh scientist I worked uh n night and day to catch up for almost uh five years independently studied Advanced physics uh mathematics and I found something profound and I found it
(05:03) because um I was not uh inside the institution so I was able to have my own thoughts think my own uh vision of the universe and develop a way of going about it that was different than the institutionalized um educational system it's a funny thing in the world is that uh we put so much Credence on like you know what's your academic qualification what's University but I don't know if you've heard of this guy named Einstein he was a patent clerk had nothing to do with science he just was very very deep thinker right uh Maxwell um cury those
(05:42) dozens of the most important people who' have solved the biggest challenges actually had nothing to do with mainstream science so most of the largest changes that happened and and evolution that happened in physics happened from people that were autodidact um and that uh that develop their own ideas outside the box of what was present at the time because if we want to advance we can't be just continuing to do the same thing we have to come up with something completely different and what I found is um has a deep meaning uh even philosophically
(06:22) Even in our understanding of uh the nature of Consciousness and the nature of our existence so so it's it's profound and it's it's starting to be understood in the uh academic structure let let's get into that let's get into that so um you know you you you you did step into the structures how many papers have you written how many uh physics papers have you written oh over 20 different physics uh papers some of them were critical uh fundamental papers uh one in 2012 that made very very precise predictions that were confirmed
(07:00) yeah so you've definitely had an impact on the whole field of physics but you've really you have you really solved what Einstein couldn't solved and a unified field theory yes I I I I have I how did you do that well um if question everyone's right if Einstein had the tools that we have today he would have solved it for sure um I think you know he was missing a few pieces that were not present at this time that would have made it obvious to to him and actually he in some ways did solve it he just didn't know he did um and it has to do
(07:39) with the nature of black holes and the structure of Event Horizon in the universe and um and and I want to make clear as well that what I've solved is actually just the relationship of what was already there uh it I I didn't invent new particles I didn't invent new Fields I didn't have to come up with no eccentric crazy things I I just saw the pattern was there all the information was there it just was in the wrong order and it was in the wrong order just because it had been found at different historic time and was never put back
(08:17) together in the proper way so you put it together in the right way so I'll give you like this this s of scaffolding right so Nim is is basically solved the kind of the the the challenges between quantum mechanics general relativity the weak and strong nuclear forces and basically the disconnects are in physics with a with a a theory that unifies all of physics and much of our Sciences um and one of the results of that is an incredible incredibly powerful way of generating electricity completely differently to how we do now so
(08:47) currently every bit of electricity in the world is a function of turning a a magnet inside coils and there's just different ways of turning that magnet right from started with steam to you know to water to all sorts of things but it's all turning magnets inside coils based on electromatic nuclear fishion which is used to boil water and which which is used to turn a magnet inside a coil so ultimately it's all a magnet inside a coil just in different ways right so he's developed a completely different way of generating electricity that
(09:16) requires way less energy input uh way more energy output no dangers no moving parts and uh incredibly incredibly cheap to have like ridiculous abundant energy that's what we're here to talk about no energy input no energy input thank you that sounds crazy but 200 years ago if you'd said hey you won't need to like wash your clothes or talk to people even um because we're going to turn some stuff inside some other stuff people would be like are you crazy and you know that's what leaders are they see things other people can't see and all that so
(09:47) so to be to be precise it's not that there is no energy input um um from the nature of the universe the the energy is there it's in the structure of SpaceTime it's in the structure of SpaceTime at the quantum level it's the energy that runs the atom that makes the atom possible in fact the atom the particles that we call the atom is a function of that field that fundamental field in self-coherence let's let's get into that so I just want to give you some context right so we're going to spend let's give I'm not allowed to talk about he's he's
(10:24) he's definitely allow to talk about everything but I also want to make sure we get sort of the the the heart of this let's talk talk about the science but let's talk about the the science at the core of the unified field Theory and then we can talk about the actual like technology that's possible we kind of separate those two things you know I'll stop interrupting you for a whole 10 minutes that's fine yeah I understand talk to us about what is the uni I'll go on forever give us the the cliff notes on understanding kind of the the unified
(10:49) field Theory itself okay well the cliff notes is that what we've discovered eventually has been being particles um this structure that we see everywhere in space is actually a function of the space itself space at the quantum scale is not empty this was the foundation of quantum mechanics quantum mechanics was discovered by Marx plon and um he was trying to solve simple equations that had to do with what's called black body radiation the the emission the thermal emission that comes off a body when it's heated and so
(11:36) it's a simple relationship between the temperature of a system and the emission that it radiates right the frequency of the emission that it radiates and the equation was exact it give the correct values for what we were measuring in the laboratory from the filament of a light bulb actually it was hired to make a better light bulb and that's how he stum Umble on this and U to make the equation work he had to add this constant that's H bar that that quantize that says the energy that comes off the body is coming
(12:11) off in like little packets quantities which Einstein eventually called the photon and got the Nobel priz for but this this equation had another part that part was ignored that part actually was censored because this was the beginning of the second the first world war and then the second world war and so on this part of the equation was really weird it said that when the energy when the temperature goes to zero caline at zero caline where everything I mean zero it's cold here but zero calvine is like serious like it's not even Alaska right
(12:52) it's super cold right so everything should be frozen there should be no thermal initation the equation said actually at zero caline there's an infinite amount of energy and so just just so we're clear I'm trying to make this short but just so clear these equations are describing a little oscillator like think of a little particle that's oscillating right and at different temperature it's emitting different um electromagnetic radiation frequencies well it said that at zero caline it's emitting infinite am amount of energy all right and that was
(13:33) removed because it was like oh what do we do with that the equation works for everything else but we have an infinite amount of energy the equation diverges what do we do well we just got to get rid of this and this started this whole thing of called renormalization a way to use different things to like cut off the the Zero Point Energy to remove it and it was successful mathematically but it's mathematically inconsistent because you know what you end up with you end up with a little oscillator that doesn't have a source of energy so it's
(14:11) oscillating miraculously and that's how quantum mechanics become you know esoteric instead of being clear mechanical and understandable and that's when you you know students dislocate their brain right because they all of a sudden they have an and it gives the right answer because you can write the equations for the oscillator right but if mechanically if you actually look at it for real this oscillator has no source of energy so it should dampen within billion of a second and stop because things need energy to
(14:50) continue oscillating and so it took all these this is hund and some years ago it took all this time Zero Point Energy became you know something of Science Fiction you know if you talked about it in physics conference everybody would say you're crazy you know you can ignore it it doesn't matter don't worry about it calculate shut up and calculate was Fan's you know description and and so um it was clear to me that you can just remove that energy and when you put it back in what do you find I'm finishing I'm finish what do you find you find
(15:30) that the particle so let's say it's the nuclear of the atom the that has all the mass of the atom in it all the energy of the atom when you calculate that energy for that particle you find that that particle acts exactly like a black hole but not approximately exactly that is you find the equations of Einstein for black holes so now you have cosmology at the level now you now you start to see the unification you start to find that the atomic structure the proton has never been seen to Decay do you know physicists will all tell you
(16:14) you know perpetual motion is not possible right except we live in perpetual motion no proton has ever been seen to Decay they continue oscillating since we can see as far far as we can see 13.7 billion years not one proton even when we Collide them in an accelerator at near the speed of light they recare right after we Collide them they're incredibly stable right and and that's because they have a source of energy that's continuing to feed them and when you realize that now you can engineer device you write the equation took me 35 years
(16:57) okay um and you you can see an Eng engineering path to do like the atom extract the energy from that source of energy from the zero point that we're baithing into that that all the material you see around us is a coherence of that field and so you can make devices that oscillate just the right way that spin the electromagnetic field just the right way and boom you create a little gradient this energy has been shown to exist right it's not an hallucination that's that's like 100 years right they've seen zero energy for like years
(17:41) yeah there this's this thing called the Casmir effect where you get two plates really close together you can eliminate the long wavelength of the Z Point Energy so that you have a little gradient and it pushes the plate together so the we already know you can have energy out of this field but two play gradient is a really bad way of doing a gradient right well when we look at the world where we see the most powerful gradient where do we see them hurricane tornadoes right the gradient between the center of a hurricane and the edge of an
(18:17) hurricane is huge the density difference and that's what produce angular momentum and so so you can create the correct electromagnetic circumstances to create a gradient and extract energy and now you have a device that's extracting energy and that doesn't need any energy in so it feed back on itself and it just keeps on going and more you pull energy more it gives you energy because the density of 0 point energy this is from Max swell from Max plon is 10^ the 93 G per CM Cube just to give you an idea here the universe mass is 10^ the 55 G
(19:03) so you like 39 orders of magnitude more energy in a centimeter cube of space Quantum space then the whole universe if I took all the stars all the galaxies all the stuff I stuck into a ctim cube it would be less dense than zero point energy that is this is the amount of energy that's available you guys and you could you can produce it anywhere where you are in the universe at any point it's the ultimate decentralized power right so every device can have its own little zero point energy production device let's get into that let's get
(19:42) into that so so a black hole at the heart of every atom um is a heck of a statement if I was allowed to swear I would say that's fractal as but I'm not allowed to swear so I won't say that like like the cosmology all the way down to the atom level right but then the other thing that blew me away it relates to a lot of what the indigenous people have been saying around the world for a very long time the the other thing is getting smaller getting all the way down to the plunk level which is how much smaller than than the than the the
(20:09) current understanding okay so so so you're made out of approximately 100 trillion um cells maybe a little less since last night but um and uh you each cell is made of about 100 trillion atoms so atoms are small and in the the atom um there's a nucle that's called a proton and the the nuclear of the atom is is very small relative to the electron cloud so you know the atom is actually 99.
(20:46) 999999% space so the material you see mostly space and this Zero Point Energy that makes the field that we call the atom and then you know the proton um is very small so so imagine if I so this field this zero point field is made of particles as well these particles are plank scale size right so I call it a plank plasma and so if I grew a plank scale particle so that it was the size of a grain um of sand okay the proton would be approximately a radius from here to Alpha centuri so about 40 trillion kilometers right so that's different in scale that's why it's not so obvious to
(21:35) like go and tap into that Master of understatement so much smaller two two facts that I think that really blew me away one is the sort of amount of energy in a in in Z Point Energy that roughly the size of a cup of coffee would boil all the water in all the oceans but on all the planets not just this one it's like it's like hard to understand and then another fact that recently was shared I think as a mind Bender is that for every grain of sand on the earth there's probably a billion planets in the known universe so just uh put all
(22:05) that together and you see how much energy there is so um we live in an incredibly energetic universe and there the universe is clearly running on a source of energy that we haven't discovered we've discovered it partially by using nuclear fishion to release the energy of the nucleus so with a very small amount of ma matter we can get a lot of energy but that's the brute way to go about it you can actually tickle the energy out yeah and not have to do any Fusion you know all the fusion devices that cost billions of dollars to
(22:44) build right that haven't succeeded in removing one watt of usable energy all these years billion trillions of dollars of and resources have been dedicated to nuclear fusion because it's been sold as the power of the future okay well you know for about 50 years 60 years they've been building it nothing and they can't extract energy from it because that is the brute approach and um and it's it's not necessary you can do it let me put it in context right so this is potentially the third biggest breakthrough in science in the last few
(23:25) hundred years the first one was electromagnetism which gave us literally electricity and lights and power and washing machines and everything else right huge breakthrough life before and after that was just unrecognizable really Total Transformation you could call it disruption really Total Transformation really for the betterment of humankind across longevity Health Nutrition everything right the next big one was actually quantum mechanics which is given us lasers and like GPS and phones and you know incredible health
(23:51) care and all sorts of things right in that came from Quantum this is probably bigger than both of those that it's it's a scientific concept there are many many breakthroughs just like quantum mechanics you couldn't predict oh suddenly we're going to have GPS and know where we are right um in this in a similar way this has huge implications across all of society and you know one of the reasons that Nim and Sarah moved to Switzerland was you know safety purposes amongst others um and to protect the intellectual property so
(24:19) this is this is a huge thing you can see whyi wanted to help them right um this this is the kind of thing you invest in and your grand grandchildren are proud of you like you know if this works this is a really really really important transition in science um so and it's a train that's leaving there's many Laboratories around the world that are doing this in a very quiet way behind the scene it's becoming more known because there's whistleblowers that are coming out I don't know if you heard some of the latest uh podcasts with
(24:50) people from DARPA and uh DOD and doe that are coming out that are saying oh yeah we've been working on Zero Point Energy in background for a long time and all this and this will change and it's really important for all you guys to know this because like you here in Davos saying we want to do something that's impactful that and we we want to find solution the at the basis of all the solution is energy production is critical for anything including AI you know which is going to require massive amount of energy production and um and
(25:28) we need a canot be done by conventional me we need a huge breakthrough I sat through two hours of the smartest person in the world about climate energy walking me through all the science and all the data about the energy crisis like someone who really really knows Nate hains and basically we we're completely screwed without a also a technical term without a total breakthrough and energy transition The Only Way Forward is going to be to have everyone uh except doing a lot less how well do you think that's going to go um
(25:54) it's like so we need a complete breakthrough in our understanding of energy let's talk about the device has changed gears a little bit so I went to your lab I wanted to know for myself I saw the device uh you've created a proof of concept device we don't we we debated whether to say that or not um because it creates some risks uh but I've seen a proof of concept of device of something that literally just produces energy and keeps producing energy and there's no obvious inputs and all of this um we're going back there on Monday if if there
(26:22) the right people that want to join us that's possible uh it's some hours drive from here I saw the device um it's uh it's something that we can build into an actual commercial um product in a few years um and with the right funding fairly quickly uh how many patents do you have can you give us a sense of sort of we have about 50 patents um this you know they're not all on energy because there's application to many other things than energy as well because you're actually tapping into the fundamental energy at the source of creation so it
(26:55) is like very interesting application to have health and gravity control and so on and so um but we have um pretty good portfolio of patents there's many many more that have to be filed uh what is the issue with this because you know people like Tesla was working on this many others worked on this throughout the years the issue is that the scientific um uh Evolution the evolution is there the know how is there but the financial structure has never been there to support this because it's been in independent labs and not funded by the
(27:40) governmental agencies either than in Black budgets and so it's been like you know no fuel in the tank makes it very very difficult to move forward with duct tape and Barb Wire right and so it's really kind of like this is the most important thing I can think and I'm not just saying this from my lab I'm just saying like if you want to go and find another lab go and find another lab but this the most important thing that needs to be funded on this planet right now because without this I all the rest doesn't happen yeah so we'll take
(28:18) questions in a bit I want to get through kind of the key pieces and then we'll we'll have an opportunity for question shortly so um so here's the cliff note there's a a proof of concept of being a to gener energy roughly a box this size that will uh produce all the power for a house um pretty much indefinitely no moving parts and um something bigger like the size of a car for a large Factory um you still want to have power plants producing this you still want to have electrical grids you still want to have all sorts of things um you still
(28:49) probably want to have energy companies who build and make and distribute and you know manage this process um the commercial plan is not to like be another Tesla and try to build factories and do all that it's actually to work with the system So the plan is to license the technology to Major energy producers and major utilities um so that this can go quickly uh and you know move fast and people see this as an opportunity um that's that's the commercial plan yeah and we are a research lab and you know it's been it's
(29:16) been a little difficult you can imagine a little frustrating over 35 years because often when we approach funders uh the the the answer is well give me the device and I I'll give you the funds and I say give me the funds I'll finish the research and get you the device right it's getting people to do this for you know and have the vision because it's really difficult for the funer to have the vision because they can't they can take my papers and turn around and give it to the mainstream and say is this valid and what do you think the
(29:56) mainstream is going to tell them absolutely absolutely not they have billions of dollars invested in accelerators okay CERN is burning 1.5 billion a year okay it costs 13 billion they want a new one now right um and and um toomax hot Fusion all these things and and so of course it's like we need funders that are alteristic that are doing this for the right reason and that are willing to fund the research because e even if I remove the technology from and I scrap it from the results um the the value of unifying physics and
(30:45) understanding the nature of our existence and the universe that value alone is worth trillions because it will change the world forever it it is changing and this this is why I have millions millions of people following me but as well like this is why there was like 64,000 downloads of my latest paper right um 64,000 downloads of a 50 page paper full of equations it's not the kind of thing you download before bed you know to have like some light reading so you know it it's it's like all right let's get into the nuts and bols let's
(31:22) get into the nut BS of what we're going to what what we're doing here right so um we're uh we're going to raise some money uh we've been talking I've been talking with Sarah and as Sim I understand business raising money and you know have a team of 200 people and you know know about the world of business a lot uh we're going to raise 50 million um in the next year the first trench is 20 million um we have we are setting up a us entity that will own the Perpetual rights to commercializing this in the North American Market um so it'll
(31:50) be real equity in a real company that that is as an operating company um The Sim and his company will have a controlling interest in that so he can't be you know kicked out of that but we are uh basically selling Equity to minority investors in the Comm in the entity that will own the Perpetual us rights to everything that comes out of the lab that's what we're doing the series a uh we're raising 20 million between now and June uh there's a major investor meeting uh in May in New York City we just confirmed deac to join us for that um
(32:20) and uh we're hoping to close series a which will be 20 million and series a will be valued uh the business will be valued an extremely attractive uh 50 million for that first uh round the second round we're hoping to to once we get that first 20 million then for the next uh 30 million will be uh valued at 100 million so where're uh that's the plan plans uh are a good way of making God laugh sometimes so uh we'll see how it falls out but that's uh that's the intention um the company uh it'll be for professional investors this is a US
(32:50) company you'll have to be an accredited investor there's a specific set of criteria for that about income and assets and all that we can't get around that um it'll be a a public private placement under regulation D rule 5063 uh C sorry uh we can talk about the details of that in the in the the two-hour investor meeting later on um there'll be a minimum of 50,000 investment but we're happy to take 50,000 investments from people who want to do that be wonderful if some larger investors came in and did you know big tranches so we could get
(33:18) this moving um there is also a way to invest if you have a foundation is really critical yeah we want to get the 20 underway between now and like March now I have my hands tied behind my back uh I I have a crew of about 20 people uh some of the most brilliant physicists uh in Europe we want to go faster we just want to go faster so um the um if you have an NGO or Foundation uh there is a 501c3 you can invest in as well if you want to do the the money in a charitable way in a tax deductible way we can talk about that another time uh but what
(33:52) we're looking for is expressions of interest um I will send out a link through the the group that you're all part of if you're not part of that make sure you get into that um the group that uh through the app the Lumi or whatever it's called so you'll get a message that will have a form that you can fill in so we're not looking we're looking for the right investors so uh we're looking to close this quickly but we're also going to be selecting investors there's a huge amount of interest from North American investors obviously and we're starting
(34:17) the road show uh just after this uh so we'll we'll be looking for like your your connections your capabilities your network and how you can add to the Enterprise not just do you have uh do you have some funds so you'll see a link to apply so the steps will be after this if you're interested you'll apply um you'll then be invited if you're accepted to a a two-hour investment meeting we'll be a to do right into the science right into the investment um you'll sign an NDA uh to to be part of that and that'll be the next step and
(34:46) and and you're invited if you have physicist friends people you know in the scientific Community whatever to like invite them onto the technical you know Zoom meeting we do whatever so that we can you know show the physics show the science we have absolutely no problem discussing the physics with anybody anywhere at any time y so that's going to happen I think that's all the technicals the amazing things is we have 20 minutes for questions who'd like to go first we've got some time for questions we got one in the back
(35:22) corner and then we're going to use microphones because this has been recorded we'll grab one of the mics thank you we'll move it one so questions can be about the science the investment the anything that you'd like yeah thank you so very much it's Fiona banister under my hat of decarbonized dorg or my second hat as a multif family office through a collaborative group that we are working on the hardest most difficult things and for my third hat is that with the feather of the indigenous people in the communities that are having their lands
(35:56) extracted from their minerals their sources so you hold a gift to all three of us so The Three Hats of wisdom thank you so in there my question comes in Blended Finance so when you were just discussing um integrative sides of financing so we can have an opportunity not only if it's a North American company to Enlighten other shareholders into that portfolio and doing that through whether it's your nonprofit or one of my that's involved with the United Nations side Partnerships for change.
(36:35) org where you have multiple stakeholders so I'm just suggesting because having patents in just America may cause you also some liabilities and you have the opportunity with your quantum physics energetic possibility to share this value with the planet I'm so happy that we could do it together absolutely yeah I think it's critical that uh all the people involved uh realize that this is a humanitarian project um and of course it can create massive rois however the fundamental attitude and energy that we're um we're looking for in terms of the way we
(37:17) patent things in the in terms of the way we release things and so on is to give this information to humanity it's not like one company is going to be able to make make all the devices for TW for 8 billion people and so on it it it's it's really a unifersal um you know humanitarian knowledge that needs to be given to humanity and so so it it has huge financial possibilities at the same time as it has a deep um fundamental impact on Humanity so that's why you know in a foundation uh structure and in a for-profit structure relating
(38:02) relationship is is what we see happen they've been trying to raise the money for some years in in a number of different ways and it's just been really slow and I've come along and said look let's make something really attractive that we can get this done quickly uh give people a you know ridiculous upside of course there's also a big downside don't put your life savings into this as a professional investor this could this could go nowhere right um it could be you know all sorts of things could happen now we're talking with the Sim on
(38:24) the way here God forbid something happened to him his his team actually can continue um so it's not you know dependent on him personally um and it would be you know shared if anything happened there but it is a it it's a high-risk investment we're several years away from commercializing right but it's a science that has 100 Years of History um and uh if anyone's going to do it it's probably going to be in a Sim so it is a you know it's a very high-risk investment but it's also an extremely high return investment the US entities
(38:50) is you know we're doing it this way to you know get this moving there'll be entities in other parts of the world uh as we kind of get that going but that value those valuations if we actually start will be insanely different um there'll be some opportunity for the early investors to you know participate in that other questions got run over here Russell first of all thank you Nim uh David and Sarah putting this together very nice uh conversation obviously very thought-provoking for all of us and enjoyed meeting you over the last couple
(39:17) of days I have two questions um number one the intellectual property right is that going to be at the US level or the holding level and my second question is in terms of money and you said it's going to take a few years is it is it the bottleneck it just takes a couple years to develop it still MVP despite uh let's say an million we're going as quick as humanly possible to about to about 3 years to to be comp so maybe you could explain that three three years the IP will stay with the the Swiss holding company there's a there's a vast
(39:48) difference between a proof of concept in a laboratory and a production ready prototype you know so that that development needs to be done it needs to be done appropriately and it needs to be done with the right um um you know equipment and so on and and that just takes time to put together is just the way of Science and so yeah I I I think that two to three years is a very fast development uh rate from proof of principle to uh production ready um devices um and I and relative you know I from physics Laboratories relative to physics
(40:34) Laboratories I think it's like massively affordable you know it's very very cheap when you're considering you're buying into uh unified field theory that is producing the technology of the future and so you know I think that alog together considering that if you were to invest in the tokom MAAC you know we would be talking about billions and billions and trillions so so you know I I think it's a reasonable uh timeline to think of like two to three years could be much faster yeah could get lucky and find it done in 18
(41:13) months and we could get unlucky and fine it takes five years it's like it's hard to know till we really get in um but the the proof of concept is there it's it's doable um and you know we we'll try and speed it up but 50 million is the is what's needed for like the timeline to get to that point um it's not an incredibly expensive process it's time intensive and um doesn't require huge technology it requires a very intelligent team working very rapidly and hiring exactly the right engineers and product people not
(41:39) just the scientists and you know pulling that team together and highly Focus um which is really difficult to do right now when I'm like spending so much time trying to raise funds and doing conferences and you know selling gizmos so that I can continue funding the lab and so on so yeah let's get all that out of the way so you can do some science right he's pretty good at science I hear um what uh questions what other questions do we have you want to dig into the science you want to know why there's a black hole at the heart of
(42:08) every atom I don't understand that question with the microphone right here thank you so much thank you uh thank you very much for the for the you know all sharing the information um just to confirm three years and seven years you said for the commercial three years to for proof of concept commercial I'm saying it could take longer but the current estimates is about 3 years 3 years to a production production ready prototype okay so so a company like you know a big Energy company or utility could license it and go into
(42:40) manufacturing and have it ready and and build it and scale it and distribute to everyone or or car company you know and so on yeah okay so it can be any company that is which is the whole world basically uh who wants to have a very has a need for Innovative energy flow yeah from making your watch thck to your cell phone to your laptop to your your car your house and so on and and so it completely it completely decentralized power okay and so it's in every industry yeah yeah so because I have a health investor uh Innovative invest I mean
(43:19) invest in Innovative projects it cannot get better than that for Innovation yes uh so uh your documents is is that going to show the how in the health industry uh transformation can happen Okay so in the health industry um there is a very important application that has to do with u longevity uh and extension of Life uh because you know the our cells work under the same principle so we mathematically discovered that and I'm I I was just invited Ed to present at uh Roger brenrose and Stuart hamov conference on Consciousness in Barcelona
(44:05) in July this year a paper on this source of energy because it it actually shows that your body actually function under that same energy um the mitochondria is what produce energy in your body it makes ATP uh just sitting here all day you make about your body weight ATP if you run a marathon you'll make a ton of ATP that day um and the the ATP is produced by Little Motors that are spinning at 60,000 RPM inside the inside the mitochondria and ripping protons and electrons apart and recombining them into the ATP molecule and when when uh
(44:49) Motors eventually break and um there's less and less energy then the cells start to make um copies that are failing and this is actually getting old yes right and um and when I speak about extension of life people think oh man what is you know I just want to say we already do that right so like only 100 years ago the life expectancy was like 35 to 40 years now it's about 80 years so we've already extended life quite a bit by improving the circumstances of the biology so we don't break down as fast well when you
(45:33) understand these principle at the deeper level now of a sudden you can create technology that keeps these motors staying highly coherent and that could lead to very very fundamental uh approach a new approach to health care and life extension and so on yeah perfect so I wait for the documents then to to share yeah there are quite big implications Beyond energy but energy is the most urgent and important you know application right now this is the most important thing to solve because we we're we're destroying the planet with
(46:08) fossil fuels at a ridiculous unsustainable rate and while we energy needs are going up this is going to get worse so um you know all the great green stuff is great but it's not it's not addressing this the core problem so energy has to be fixed kind it's kind of surprising all the push that there is has been on electric vehicles because you got to charge that thing right and so you got to take the power from somewhere else so now you've just displaced how you're producing power to some Central you know power source and
(46:45) and and so and and if everybody bought a Tesla today uh the structure the energic structure that we have in the world would not be able to sustain it there's no way we could power all the cars if they were electric today it would be a complete breakdown of our electrical grid so so it's not a solution the solution is that we have to produce power in the vehicle as we go and now you have a vehicle that has infinite range so think of a think of it of this imagine a boat that has infinite range right so so you can actually leave the
(47:25) coast here and go to Africa you know and not have to worry about fueling along the way right um the these are these are all things that are very possible yeah the implications are un imag disruption complete disruption the stuff of Science Fiction in some ways yeah other questions we have a question over here and then and then here yeah uh yes hello I do physics olympiads and it's really interesting for me to listen to this topic and my question is that if your theory stands correct then why hasn't it been like PE Red by other
(47:58) scientists and not confirmed experimentally in the mainstream physics can I give a quick answer the core papers haven't been published yet they're coming out and they're going to come out in parallel with the book um and you know so that it all kind of happens at once yeah one of the Core paper was published a year ago it's in Pre um print on the CERN server and that's the one that's been downloaded 64,000 time no physicist uh actually an expert in uh Quantum electrodynamics actually had the nerve to talk and said I can't see any
(48:34) mathematical error and this is very interesting but um it's in peer review right now so it will be published in peerreview journals my papers prior to that contrary to what you know the trolls on the internet have been saying are peer-reviewed they are published in peerreview journals and I've been publishing you know and there is no fundamental mathematical errors in them um so you know it takes time to change a whole field of physics into a new Direction and there's been a lot of push back um you know there's been agencies
(49:18) on this planet for in some cases good reason that have been censoring 0 point energy research for for a very long time and um and some of these people that came after me were paid by these agencies to do okay so we hope that in a couple of years it will be like in mainstream physics also recognized right it was it should be it's starting to be a many professors are starting to teach my physics in their um classrooms so it it should be it should get there in the next few years yeah absolutely especially when the technology comes up
(49:56) yeah exactly but start to occur in people's uh homes the guy who said that the universe doesn't revolve around the Earth was uh not very popular for quite some years um there was another question here here and then down the back yeah well thank you Dr Nasim and very inspiring okay and thank you I hope you're right and we have you know this source of energy as solution for the future um and building on what uh our colleague was was saying uh well it's going to be very excited that in a few months there's going to be this paper that is
(50:29) on the review okay right right right so looking forward to see that and that your predictions uh can be confirmed by independent observations of course and my I have two questions for you one you were mentioning uh Dr roer Pen Rose that probably is one of the most prominent physicist alive today he received Nobel Prize few years ago my number question is do you have a chance to to discuss about all this with Dr Penrose and what Dr peners thinks about all this and my second question is that you both of you you were a pendant here that is the same
(51:04) pendant and can you explain a little bit the meaning of this pendant okay um yeah so um I haven't been able to directly discuss this with Dr Penrose um I'm looking forward to it most likely this summer I will be able to because I was invited to you know uh do a conference in uh on Consciousness in their Consciousness study conference in Barcelona and um but I've discussed it with many other professors it's um it's it's scary for uh physicists out there to endorse my work uh they get a lot of push back if they do uh in some cases pretty dramatic
(51:52) push back um so it's it's slowly getting there and more and more physicists are getting the spine to you know speak up um we're behind the doors though we're talking to a lot of physicists and um most of the reactions at first is a lot of skepticism and then as we go through the equations in many cases it's tears that comes up in people's eyes and that's really exciting to see it's not what if he's wrong wrong the question is really what if it's right right what if it's wrong so what it's a blip what if it's right this
(52:33) change the work yeah so so in uh the on the on the topic of the little Crystal things that I manufacture um these are part of a device an energy device okay so there's multiple different energy device these these produce continuous power these are these are overunity devices they produce continuous power I have I have video If I had my laptop I could show you that it's microamps so it's it's microwatts you know it's very small but it's continuous uh for since 1999 I've been making them and the field that they
(53:15) produce right they create this little coherency in the zero point field has an impact on the water molecule so I I thought okay this is a way that I can help Finance the lab so I put that on the market for people to increase the energy levels of the water in in their that they drink and the water in their blood and so on and so we put those on the market to help Finance the lab and if you don't believe that crystals produce energy you haven't noticed you're in Switzerland and Watchers are use crystals to power them we're in the
(53:49) land of the land of like power watches yeah yeah they're oscillators and and it's a really good way to to uh create a resonance match to the zero point is to use a good a right we got time for one more quick question and then we got to move we got one at the front here and and we'll we'll be a to talk the back first yeah we'll be able to talk for uh for 10 minutes afterwards outside and then we have to go to another session uh it's up it's up the mountain at the whatever it's called you take the fanul um it's it's at future. it shuts up it's
(54:20) called future. and you're all I've heard you're all able to come up there uh so that starts at 3:00 um we'll be to continue the conversation we'll have some more fun uh so three to five yeah questions on the back yes thank you so much quick question I'm quite interested in the overlap of the spirituality and the science part and we know there are so many energy centers in this globe like the pyramids everything and how do you uh from your perspective how do you view the channeling power thing and how do you think about the uh nonlocality
(54:52) proposed by Yan by K Gustav Yan oh yes um um well you know this is a deep question um it has to do um so when you write this Theory um and you realize that there's a field and this field is interacting producing the atomic energy um then you in in mathematics and in physics you can you have such a thing called Shannon's law where you can um it there's an equivalence between energy and information so you can actually think of this field as a field of information that's why you know I love depra you know's work and because um it
(55:36) it start to show that actually it's an exchange of information that's creating this reality and that the reason it organized is because there's a high interacting relationship between all points in the system and it starts to like really isoteric because you you make this calculation and for instance you make the calculation for the proton in in terms of information and you realize that inside the proton in the volume of the proton at the plank scale there is exactly all the information of the energy of the universe in one proton and
(56:20) now you got a book from the Del Lama that says the universe in a in an atom and you're like whoa you know these guys knew about this and and um and and it's in terms I I'm I'm saying this in a rigorous way it's not like Loosely that way it's rigorous it gives the correct mass for the universe which includes dark matter and dark energy which is a thing they had to add to the standard model to patch holes in the standard model because when they calculate the mass of the universe they're missing 9 6% of the mass so they adding you know
(57:00) fudge factors in our equation gives the exact correct value that means that all protons in terms of information are related to all other protons in the universe and I know that's hard to bom however this is how the system the system can self-organize this is this is the the hidden variables from B Ian mechanics this is this is showing that the universe is entangled that there's non-locality which received a Nobel price you know few years ago and so on that like I it's a network of information that eventually
(57:44) produce enough coherency that Consciousness can emerge from it which is information gathering and expressing itself right and so this like such deep spiritual and philosophical uh bases that emerge from rigorous mathematical um you know um uh uh solutions to the nature of reality and so I think I don't know if it I'm answering your question but it it starts to make and and it h it can have a super important impact individually I'm just talking as an individual forget all the rest of stuff but just as an individual
(58:31) to know that maybe the path to a higher awareness and spiritual awareness is actually through the atomic structure not in some you know um you know rainbow uh field somewhere with you know like unicorns but actually inside the atomic structure structure is the nature of awareness of Consciousness and your relationship to the rest of the Universe I just want to make a couple more points about this device so this device you know I I live and breathe this with the staff at the laboratory so I know a lot of you are hearing it for
(59:20) the first time and it might sound so unbelievable so I just want to make a couple more points about the technology itself this technology does not use Rare Earth minerals this is so gentle on the planet the device is small it's inexpensive to build and it works you know I'm always around that the proof of prototype that we're talking about so has become a normal thing for me and as I am tending all these conferences on how to solve the issues around the planet I keep thinking oh that could be solved that could be solved that can be
(59:48) solved with this device because the scarcity we're experiencing today is artificial we live in an abundant universe as Nim said we are living in a perpetual motion universe everything spins how do you think it keeps spinning the zpe we're talking about the energy is there it is just a few years away you know when we talk like this people think oh this is Generations no this is a handful of years this the next couple of years we are going to be living in an abundant planet and think about what that means we're talking about more than
(1:00:18) just saving on your power bill with an inexpensive energy device we're talking about solving issues around poverty now we can extract water desal ization water from the atmosphere food movement of resources around this planet so now we're having equal access to to all kinds of resources to help everybody on this planet this solves so many issues we're here talking about today so and it's not because I'm biased that I'm saying this is the most important thing we can be talking about here so thank you so much for all of you joining this
(1:00:50) talk and waking up to what we are able to accomplish together because we are a small team in our laboratory so thank you so much for Dr David Rock for joining us here absolutely remarkable individual we need the help and we need the help from all of you help not just with financing but if you know young physicists that want to come work for any physicist I shouldn't say young um people that are Visionaries that can come join us please reach out I have a lot of cards on me I know we don't have a lot of time to
(1:01:16) answer questions after this but please come you can at least exchange cards so we can continue with the zoom so thank you so much for your participation and helping us because together we can launch this this is for human Humanity by Humanity it's not just our team we have to do this together so thank you so much thank you like I like I said the biggest breakthrough in energy since the discovery electricity and and I didn't put a question mark at the end there it's it's a period or as we call it in Australia a full stop uh let's make this
(1:01:43) a full stop of like um you know the energy problems in the world it can be done the energy is everywhere we just have to transition it quick word uh we'll be 5 minutes outside we're going up the mountain there's a future. on the right hand side of of strut up um we you're welcome to join us for the trip up in in 10 minutes um you'll get a note you'll get an email right with a link with a followup uh an application to be an investor which will require some information a to prove that you're a professional investor and B uh to
(1:02:12) understand your network so we can see if it's a good fit and what you would add uh and then we'll be having a two-hour session uh to go you know even deeper into the science and the technology and you know all of that we're looking to move on this pretty quickly uh to close this first the series a of 20 million as quick as possible uh we're hoping for a series B by the middle of the year for uh you know an increased value so we're looking for 20 million between now and ideally April May as the first step so
(1:02:36) that's the session I just want to say thank you to Simon Sarah for trusting me that you should come to Davos and that people would show up and that people were interested and that we could do something with this thank you everyone thank you for being here thank you appreciate [Music]