Ep.25 | Matt Gates | Exmouth Game Fishing, Shark Depredation & Barramundi

In this episode we are joined by the man behind Tackle World Exmouth, Matt Gates, along with his two sons, Kalvin and Dean.

When we asked past guests who we had to get on the show, one name kept coming up. Gatesy.

If a species can be targeted in the Exmouth region, he has spent time figuring it out.

Matt moved from Perth to Exmouth to run the store under mentor Hal Harvey before eventually buying the business and carrying it forward.

We sit down with Matt and the boys to talk about:

• Long weekend missions driving Perth to Exmouth in the early days

• Cutting his teeth at Bluewater Tackle World

• Learning the ropes under Hal Harvey’s mentorship

• Opening Tackle World Exmouth and eventually buying the store

• A lifelong passion for barramundi fishing

• Favourite barra locations and proven techniques

• Being early to adopt circle hooks in WA game fishing

• The growing reality of shark depredation and near misses

• Life spearfishing the Exmouth coast

• Fishing as a way to connect generations

• Close encounters with Irukandji and box jellyfish

• Rescuing Ross Chapman after a solo marlin release went wrong

• Proper wood duck moments

• Swordfish and deep water talk

This one is equal parts fishing knowledge, life lessons, and Exmouth history.

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Transcript

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Speaker 1
I want.

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Speaker 1
I.

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Speaker 2
Thanks for having us, lads.

00:00:55:14 - 00:01:06:22
Speaker 2
In life. But I think it was a Dewey in the blue water classic like in February last year, believing that if you can.

00:01:06:24 - 00:01:23:01
Speaker 2
Well, it is, but I. I drive the boat. I don't touch the roads. Really. It's all about. All about these two.

00:01:23:03 - 00:01:29:24
Speaker 1
Oh.

00:01:30:01 - 00:02:37:17
Speaker 1
Oh seven.

00:02:37:19 - 00:02:56:19
Speaker 2
What? Ironic, really. I wasn't into it at all. And, my parents, I was English. We lived up near a stream just down the road in a in a Wiltshire town called calm. And, my old man said, do you want to go jam jar? And I'm like, oh, yeah, right. I can remember, I'll be, well, younger than I used to.

00:02:56:21 - 00:03:13:16
Speaker 2
And basically told him to stream in an old jam jar, put some dough in it, brought to light it on its side. The minnows would swim into the current in the jar, pull them up and catch these little minnows, and then just play some back and do that, and then also talk this. And that's how I would start wrapping them in gold Jam Jar.

00:03:13:22 - 00:03:22:17
Speaker 2
Well, that was the thing in the UK that we did as kids.

00:03:22:19 - 00:03:28:02
Speaker 2
84 so I was a off.

00:03:28:04 - 00:03:39:11
Speaker 2
Perth. Yeah. We moved. Where do we live first? Colorado. Edgewood. Heath Ridge Serrano just around this whole area as well.

00:03:39:13 - 00:03:43:05
Speaker 2
What's the other one? Done. Craig. Craig's I forget now. It's been so long. Yep.

00:03:43:07 - 00:03:51:23
Speaker 1
Yep.

00:03:52:00 - 00:03:55:20
Speaker 2
That is, baby,

00:03:55:22 - 00:03:58:17
Speaker 1
Well.

00:03:58:19 - 00:04:02:07
Speaker 2
Again, long story with that one. But it started on a,

00:04:02:09 - 00:04:05:22
Speaker 1
Yeah. So to gather that, started.

00:04:05:24 - 00:04:24:02
Speaker 2
Just being an avid fish show and, a good my time on Barry Tyler was working for Hal in the Sky shop. Easton and hung out with Barry a fair bit. And another my on, diamonds actually was working in there at the time as well. And, also, I wouldn't mind on on the school pretty early.

00:04:24:04 - 00:04:41:13
Speaker 2
Didn't really do much. I worked, but I didn't have any profession or anything, and, I, opportunity came up to do some road building, and I was already doing that myself. Just on what comes to be cut now for the Braves and spend it by hand and doing all that. So the opportunity came up to work for Hal, worked for him for a year.

00:04:41:15 - 00:04:55:10
Speaker 2
And, out of the blue, he said, oh, I think I can open a shop just to the staff of knock off having a few beers. And I finished up an email from everyone, so. Oh, and I just remember coming up to him the next day and said, if you want to do it on me, man, I'd want to live there.

00:04:55:10 - 00:05:09:11
Speaker 2
We'd been fishing there a bit going up since I was about 15 with Barry, and a few other nights that could draw before I could drive. And, Yeah. That's it, I don't know, I was born and bred in the country, in the UK. I didn't really like the city was pretty keen to go up there. So that's how it started.

00:05:09:17 - 00:05:17:08
Speaker 2
I started off as an employee. Excuse me. And then. Yeah, got into partnership and then and up on the mountain. The rest is history as far as now is.

00:05:17:08 - 00:05:21:18
Speaker 1
Still taken away.

00:05:21:20 - 00:05:30:11
Speaker 1
Is.

00:05:30:13 - 00:05:37:20
Speaker 2
100%.

00:05:37:22 - 00:05:40:24
Speaker 2
A.

00:05:41:01 - 00:05:59:19
Speaker 2
A was he ended up being like a brother to me. He gave me an opportunity in life as a as a and I undereducated kid that didn't really like school. No disrespect, but my parents was. No. No.

00:05:59:21 - 00:06:00:19
Speaker 1
There's no.

00:06:00:19 - 00:06:18:02
Speaker 2
Well, there's a problem with them, though. He's a demonstrator, a student. He's got a scholarship to go there. So, and this one and this one's not much, but not much worse either. He's got to, like, get more eyes on one report. And their father did in their life, I can tell you, either of them. So, yeah, with Hal, it was.

00:06:18:02 - 00:06:42:11
Speaker 2
It was a situation where he gave me an opportunity. And I thought to myself, before they, back this up, I'm going to end up working two jobs. Recipe loaf. I'm going to make this happen. So I spent his money as if it were mine, and he helped me learn business. He's pretty very serious businessman.

00:06:42:13 - 00:06:58:16
Speaker 2
But in a way, the one of the roles are still Sambo today is, he did teach me this, and a lot of people reckon he didn't, but he actually did say this to me. You wouldn't let on too many people, you know, make money out of your friends or your family. You make money out of people you don't know and you don't rip people off.

00:06:58:16 - 00:07:15:11
Speaker 2
You just do make an honest living. You buy it. You don't. The thing is, in today's society is even worse with the internet. And but you know, it wasn't a thing when I started it. It's not about selling right anymore. The selling prices of things, you know, you got these lovely dollars and finally, you know, the price that they sell for is determined.

00:07:15:11 - 00:07:32:00
Speaker 2
It's it's working hard to buy it. Right. And that's just negotiating with buyers and working. You know we're part of Tackle World. So we get a chance to have an opportunity and and that's what it works on. And customer service and getting repeat customers. And you work on turnover and things like that. So that's how it all started with Hal.

00:07:32:00 - 00:07:49:14
Speaker 2
And they he was a good man. He he was sort of in that area we talked about before, like he was the man that, you know, first bought braided line from America to, to WA. And we, we had fall on. I think it was back in the time. It was like it almost no one's going to use braid.

00:07:49:16 - 00:07:57:18
Speaker 2
Now look at now on this money, circle for billfish. Remember we're going on a trip to the Rolly Shoals in the late 90s, and he's got.

00:07:57:20 - 00:07:58:09
Speaker 1
A, you know.

00:07:58:09 - 00:08:13:08
Speaker 2
Mustard, buddy. Three, nine on six. Oh, circles of the guy got about that big between the port, the point and the shank. I'm like, hell, are you going to catch a billfish tonight? I'll read an article. They're doing it in the States.

00:08:13:10 - 00:08:35:15
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. Well, we we were, because they were frustrating the shit out of my use and got twin Jayhawks and just, you know, brawl points over on Marinos or sharpened it in hooks or stainless hooks or whatever. Just specially missiles trying to hook them in the mouth and on skipping guards and even on Luis. And, you know, we were catching one out of six, if you were lucky, like it was real bad.

00:08:35:15 - 00:08:54:07
Speaker 2
And then that that treble is not allowed so I can throw him under the basket that that particular trip, he's like, first morning you get out there and everyone feels a bit crushed because it's a bit, but not that anyone really got seasick. You get I think it was the imperious ref at Dawn glass. Com Gary Fortescue.

00:08:54:07 - 00:09:13:07
Speaker 2
The even guys there and everyone grabs a guy. He grabs a guy, grabs his circle, snaps its bill off, whacks it through his eye socket, put it on his eye. About 20 eye spin rod in the outrigger. Balaam shot and then he goes, I'm gone for shit. Just disappeared. I'm a light. So the rest of us are watching.

00:09:13:08 - 00:09:29:01
Speaker 2
Next thing, another pinhead comes up eighth. No drop back. Which is obviously that's not the only other circle work. I had it clean, hooked it up. He's come out pulling up his pants. Guys. Hey, guy. Boys, I told you in court the first solution. I was convinced. I'm like, I don't mean to circle flat out there.

00:09:29:03 - 00:09:33:06
Speaker 1
The way it's. That's how he.

00:09:33:06 - 00:09:51:01
Speaker 2
Was. He was that man. He could just catch fish in the toilet bowl, literally. And. Yeah. And then when you obviously that that there was, it was the refinement of working out how to when the phrase ball and we used to do it on overheads, table tennis back in the day, I think we had and a few other different bits and pieces.

00:09:51:01 - 00:10:09:15
Speaker 2
And you throw it in the obviously ratchets on their back and they drop it sometimes if they weren't right on. So then we started trying to do it without the ratchet and you get Bird's Nest. If they piled on specially little blacks with Paul. So then we went to Egg biters and that was where the those I had 20 eyes because they were that pod me they were like the be all and end all.

00:10:09:15 - 00:10:23:10
Speaker 2
Back then it was all that or pent up inflation which did work. But obviously if you were catching a lot of fish slide and to wear out after a while. But yeah, that's basically what we did and that's how we started doing it. So you just have the ball on, open your finger on the law and what you made it.

00:10:23:10 - 00:10:35:19
Speaker 2
As soon as he opened his mouth, just put it down his neck. Yeah. I'm sorry. Close the ball. Hold your rod and got him on. And then if I fell off, it was a lot of shit. We dropped mum and I, and that's. That's changed.

00:10:35:21 - 00:10:36:22
Speaker 1
Yep.

00:10:36:24 - 00:10:54:02
Speaker 2
Yep. And the difference was nine times out of 10:00 on the corner of the jaw. So it was better for the fish. You didn't get got hooked. And now, you know, you get the old one on the snap on the snout, but you know, slide off after a bit during the fight ironically saw you get fair food from the outside in with the circle.

00:10:54:02 - 00:11:10:14
Speaker 2
If they were a dog and bite in the got, it would still work, but the circle would hit the corner of the mouth on the outside and pivot through and he'd still catch him.

00:11:10:16 - 00:11:11:22
Speaker 1
Yep, yep.

00:11:11:24 - 00:11:35:16
Speaker 2
I mean, if we're trolling, Lowe is like, as in, like, you know, little, pushes and stuff around the fat or whatever in the kids are catching Dolphin Fisher, like, you know, like guides. Because either that'll be a long class fishing for the tournaments and stuff, and I enjoy that. But if if we're bait fish and there's one fish that I don't use over for one, that's better if I'm loving,

00:11:35:18 - 00:11:38:04
Speaker 1
I'm.

00:11:38:06 - 00:11:41:20
Speaker 2
So I'm a cat, too. So. 12. Ten, ten. I yeah.

00:11:41:22 - 00:11:59:05
Speaker 1
I wonder, you know, you're out there.

00:11:59:07 - 00:12:07:06
Speaker 1
That that.

00:12:07:08 - 00:12:12:22
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00:12:12:24 - 00:12:32:16
Speaker 2
The don't say the right way for a circle to work. That's my biggest theory because I implode feed that so that I farm with that. With a clunk like that, it's generally not held like, well, I don't know. It to me is it's like they'll implode feed, but then they don't just swallow it because it has to go head first of the way it is.

00:12:32:18 - 00:12:48:24
Speaker 2
So nine times out of ten, I reckon they hold it and they'll gently move off. You can feel them move off and then you just sort of like the handle bang, and the hook will be in the corner of the jaw. You get a few Dave occasionally, but they're pretty tough fish you can. And those hooks rust in the bottom and you look at them, put salt air on those kamikazes.

00:12:48:24 - 00:12:53:15
Speaker 2
They do rust. So if you do have to leave one in, I don't think they last long.

00:12:53:17 - 00:12:55:18
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah.

00:12:55:20 - 00:12:57:24
Speaker 2
They were fly hook.

00:12:58:01 - 00:13:02:07
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah.

00:13:02:09 - 00:13:12:22
Speaker 1
He.

00:13:12:24 - 00:13:20:20
Speaker 2
Ernie, in my opinion, there was some maybe hells, but not we, we struggled. It was hard. But like, we to make it so.

00:13:20:20 - 00:13:22:17
Speaker 1
96.

00:13:22:19 - 00:13:31:05
Speaker 2
Would have been 98 then we'd been open for a short while taking on the world, we thought. And then that shut us down for three months, because the town.

00:13:31:09 - 00:13:32:12
Speaker 1
Of LAX plus.

00:13:32:12 - 00:13:54:01
Speaker 2
High flying vans in March of 99, which is basically the start of what we would call the season Eastern Game Expo. I wasn't on to that one, actually. I'll stand corrected. But that's when we would start, you know, east to school holidays and then at the end of sort of October school, September school holidays, you could pretty much chop the town down like we didn't do any business.

00:13:54:01 - 00:13:56:06
Speaker 1
Between those.

00:13:56:08 - 00:14:24:12
Speaker 2
You had maybe 4 or 5 days to try it over Christmas. That was.

00:14:24:14 - 00:14:41:21
Speaker 2
He he helped and he, he'd grown up fishing there a bit. And like I said, I'd been probably, I'd probably been gone there for about four years prior to that, maybe even five, twice, even three times a year. Basically, whenever we got leave, we jump up in a car. My mum, we we did like long weekends up there.

00:14:41:21 - 00:14:43:13
Speaker 2
We were that desperate, you know, drive all.

00:14:43:13 - 00:14:44:16
Speaker 1
Night.

00:14:44:18 - 00:15:01:12
Speaker 2
On a Friday night, feast. Saturday, Sunday, baby, first thing Monday morning and then drive home all that afternoon to be back at work on the Tuesday morning sort of thing, just to get a few days and bus name days. We were just fishing off the shore too, like we used to fish the oysters off of the cable.

00:15:01:14 - 00:15:31:17
Speaker 2
We, sports fish and spend guys Queenie's days, Golden John Herring, that sort of stuff. I fished, mainly went with Barry Taylor, diamonds, Australian Peter Harvey that were the sort of crew that we went with most time. Paul Miceli but we used to see one of the games, Kurt Black's P Peter Walker used to fish up there a fair bit.

00:15:31:19 - 00:15:53:04
Speaker 2
Is to see them up there a fair bit. And at the time, he just saw the finish. But there's a guy called Dom Clem. He was doing the big jetty thing. He still holds state and Australian land based records, I think for details of oysters. They own a lot in kilo, excuse me and things like that. So it was a point where no one was really sports vision.

00:15:53:06 - 00:16:11:19
Speaker 2
Pride wasn't a thing if you wanted to see stick by didn't exist. A pop was a John, which was a big breed broomstick with a cop face and shitty hooks on it that used to fall off and now the Jetty Revolution is another story I could tell you for years to go on with that. But, that was a process that we went through.

00:16:11:19 - 00:16:32:04
Speaker 2
That was just something that we couldn't catch him, you know, we were catching 15 kilos. You can get smoked for 20 years. So we've changed and tweaked. A few things start to catch in 20 and then 25. And then it just it just monopolized from there. But that's where how came in a lot with that because he has his finger on the pulse in the American and the Asian markets, especially the Japanese.

00:16:32:06 - 00:16:48:02
Speaker 2
Menu. Like I said, you only got to look at the products you got sitting next to you. They're unbelievable. They're miles ahead of us still today with what they produce. And I had, you know, owner hooks and split rings that didn't strike when you put any weight on them or anything like that. So that was part of the evolution.

00:16:48:02 - 00:17:15:15
Speaker 2
But yeah, the fishing was we didn't have a shark problem. There wasn't any sanctuary zones. And to be frankly honest with you, most people ray fishing. There was a few reef fishing charters, the like George King had the. No. Hold on. His younger son, Raymond, at the time, they had what they called the gun was their time, but they had to want a bit of, a bit of game fishing.

00:17:15:17 - 00:17:26:17
Speaker 2
Peter Brock was one of their major clients at the time. Used to go up there and fish with them a fair bit. And, Kerry Stokes was another one that used to fish up there a fair bit.

00:17:26:19 - 00:17:39:06
Speaker 2
And other than that, racism, this is one the catch me.

00:17:39:08 - 00:17:51:06
Speaker 2
It was a it was odd because no one was really into sports vision back then. It wasn't really a thing. It obviously.

00:17:51:08 - 00:18:06:24
Speaker 2
Though I read a lot of articles and did a bit of, what you guys sort of, you know, now, the watch on hot under the name is train not tell anybody anything or speak to anybody about anything anymore. But I that's just an age thing that I've been through. But no, I did it to promote a business that I wanted to and I grow.

00:18:07:01 - 00:18:28:02
Speaker 2
And I was my lifelong goal to be successful in business, I suppose. So, I write articles I, I preempted, I thought, look at that. There's there's got to be a fish on that reef. You know, we got to work out how to catch them and so I fished, alive in the shop on my own. And I used to shut at 12 on Sundays and then just fish from lunchtime Sunday, a little bit dark every week.

00:18:28:02 - 00:18:45:15
Speaker 2
And then after sometimes. And before. I was still surfing a bit then as well. So off the normally before work, I'd go get a wife on the thing you make, mate worn out just thinking about. It's what they used to do now work all day, go fishing in the evening, get up and repeat. And then some days I had.

00:18:45:16 - 00:18:57:07
Speaker 2
Yeah, I had a, I have is a boat then in a 4.2m style. So the audio was bad John on the back. So I'm like, I don't remember what I had. It was pretty average.

00:18:57:09 - 00:19:00:15
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. And

00:19:00:17 - 00:19:08:23
Speaker 2
Yeah, that's but we've still got one as well. Don't worry. There. Just that boat that gets you everywhere doesn't mean everything from squid and the fish and the whatever you need to do.

00:19:09:00 - 00:19:10:20
Speaker 1
So, yeah, it was, it was tough.

00:19:10:22 - 00:19:33:01
Speaker 2
Like a to to actually try and teach people to sports fish. But you know, that's where, you talk about like catch and spank goes on lose like that became a fad. And it was just people were obsessed with it. And it was there was people coming to Exmouth on week or two long trips, groups of young fellows, you know, that's what they wanted to do.

00:19:33:03 - 00:19:55:03
Speaker 2
They wanted to catch bangers on set and then it just sort of got to that point now where, you know, people will specifically say, look, we've got crew at home that just target blue buying, for example, now on artificial crabs. And it was something even on floor as well. You know, that's what they do and that's that's all they want to do.

00:19:55:05 - 00:20:16:14
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah.

00:20:16:16 - 00:21:08:08
Speaker 1
I mean that's trying to well.

00:21:08:10 - 00:21:19:11
Speaker 1
You.

00:21:19:13 - 00:21:20:03
Speaker 1
Yeah it is.

00:21:20:04 - 00:21:39:10
Speaker 2
I think it's because they're not easy things to catch and. Yeah. And you can, today's technologies you know with live that you can basically slot watching TV. I'm only getting into that fairly recently. And I just went the other way and caught up with a quick mate doing a recce trip with the boss before. Wrote the boys down.

00:21:39:10 - 00:21:58:24
Speaker 2
He up to north trough there and you know, you see the fish swimming around on the TV and we were hitting them with AI Lewis. That is the main item you could actually see a little bounce off the back of my and when they're on, I think that's what makes it that bit more challenging. It's like, you know, they're a native fish.

00:21:58:24 - 00:22:15:20
Speaker 2
They're a spectacular fish. You catch them where it's not windy and choppy, which is more so the game of soldiers these days. And they're just a remarkable fish. And I don't know where grubby paddle outcomes are made. A long silver thing with the bright yellow, you just kind of they don't even look like that. But I designed they don't look like they should be living in a mud puddle.

00:22:15:20 - 00:22:36:14
Speaker 2
You and I look at these pair.

00:22:36:16 - 00:22:58:05
Speaker 2
We do catch them in the Gulf yet the boys have caught some nice ones in there. I think Sally's restriction was you don't tend to. I've heard. I think of one made very, few 90s. I've. I've got I think about two 90s myself. Made them on Roscoe 291 once. But that was quite a while ago. In recent times, I think a lot of the fish we've caught have been so the high 70s, low 80s.

00:22:58:05 - 00:23:17:02
Speaker 2
But it's tough. You know, I like at you go out talking about our next mouth and you got to get everything from the wind to the tide to the, the water temp, to them wanting to eat to doing everything. And you can quite often going in. But if you catch two, three bar for nine x mouth, you've had a sterling dialog.

00:23:17:03 - 00:23:38:18
Speaker 2
If you gone up to over why, you know, if you didn't catch 10 or 12 or die, you probably felt a bit taller if you'd done the drive or whatever. And I suppose for us it's been spoiled and certainly boundaries. So it starts to wanting to be made a fish, you know. So we stopped fishing in the Kimberley more and put more time in trying to catch the, you know, not the numbers as much, but the, you know, all fish over sort of 85.

00:23:38:18 - 00:24:08:06
Speaker 2
You know, they're when they start getting I have. Yeah. Yeah. And that's a good river. Really good. Yeah. Yeah. Oh did John.

00:24:08:08 - 00:24:11:11
Speaker 1
For the scallops.

00:24:11:13 - 00:24:12:18
Speaker 1
Yeah. Nice.

00:24:12:20 - 00:24:38:20
Speaker 2
Was that on a on a bit or lower us. Are you fishing with the great mam when you. That doesn't quite count as much. Look that was the 50 cent going by that do catches fish in the muddy puddles is oh man he's a machine. I.

00:24:38:22 - 00:24:59:04
Speaker 2
It it had been a squirrel for quite some time for me I yeah I do love chucking the that thank Jane. You know that small suspending you know in the snags and I did on the poles, that sort of thing. I troll well, but, I'm just sort of changing into lot, working with plastics a bit more now.

00:24:59:06 - 00:25:10:17
Speaker 2
Swim baits are thing and prawns and all this, I'm sort of ever, you know, trying to go with the fly, but I must admit up. I am them in the humble vibe.

00:25:10:19 - 00:25:15:07
Speaker 2
E!

00:25:15:09 - 00:25:35:14
Speaker 2
Yeah, you do as well. I think it's just as well with with the high, but like troll and catch and bounce. Good. The clunk is, you know, it's like some punch in the nose sometimes. You haven't had a bite for a few hours. But again with the technology now, you know, we started with the, the 360, you know, you see him and the toenails going round and sort of pinpoint.

00:25:35:15 - 00:25:58:06
Speaker 2
Now a lot of it's ridiculous. But I think cast and catching Barra just has that bit more of an edge than, than trolling. And that's where we don't even mind law by another Mike the hell out of them. And we've cast everything, called them, jig them, bobbed them, and I want a lot. Rob or is this get the cast down line and I've got the biggest mullet you can literally cast on a bike caster.

00:25:58:06 - 00:26:02:11
Speaker 2
And then you start clunk on the big one and.

00:26:02:13 - 00:26:09:04
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. End of the day.

00:26:09:06 - 00:26:25:13
Speaker 2
I'm not a snob, but yeah, well, rather catch stuff on lures. But if it comes to not catching Anderson, I'm like, Rob, go get the cast net. The problem is, like Dane said, that when you do these guys as well, especially the creeks, that I'm not even in the pool now, you get so miniature.

00:26:25:15 - 00:26:39:05
Speaker 2
I know.

00:26:39:07 - 00:26:48:12
Speaker 2
Is that is. Yeah, it is pretty good.

00:26:48:14 - 00:26:58:10
Speaker 2
No.

00:26:58:12 - 00:27:17:10
Speaker 2
It's to say what it's changed to. It is it is like two different worlds. Now that wasn't a problem to the stage where you didn't never hook to fish and thought, oh, be careful of the sharks. We got more fish eaten by big cod back in the day then, which still does happen today. But like that was your thing.

00:27:17:10 - 00:27:42:22
Speaker 2
If you're right. Fish and sometimes Mackey's on edge to be go visit come up. It's not immaculate. So it was never shot from but they were still commercially sharks even in those days they were still long lining. There was, you know, long lines bringing swords into the Marina and stuff back in the day there as well. So, and I'm not saying that I'm against commercial fishing, but obviously, you know, in recreational areas, keeping everything under moderation does does tend to help and seize the balance.

00:27:42:22 - 00:28:05:21
Speaker 2
But, we had this conversation yesterday, Calvin Branco, didn't we? I even Dane as well, luckily we, you know, just with the closures and everything else and I don't sure that the current fishing hierarchy let's please that, government. Well, might be the word we should use, but the people that make the decisions, I don't think the information's correct.

00:28:05:21 - 00:28:23:16
Speaker 2
I don't think the the the the studies and the, What he probably told you that as well. Like, I don't think it's quite where it needs to be. I don't think we're in as dire straits as we as it's known to was led to believe were in I think if it is, it should have been managed earlier.

00:28:23:18 - 00:28:25:14
Speaker 1
Better.

00:28:25:16 - 00:28:55:00
Speaker 2
But unfortunately, the society we live in today, you can't kill shark for some reason. They're the. But they are the Oxford left school. 15 didn't have any degree of anything. So it's. You've got the food pyramid, right? Doesn't change sauce. It's just what's in the food pyramid and where the line goes, you've got the apex predator is the only thing that isn't harvested by anything, man.

00:28:55:00 - 00:29:03:12
Speaker 2
Anything else might be a killer whale. Might eat one every now and again. Who knows? But realistically, there don't not have a single predator.

00:29:03:14 - 00:29:28:13
Speaker 2
So I eat everything. So how does common sense think that the thing that can I eat everything and dominate the ecosystem more than anything else should not be the only thing? And we harvest what thing? Fish stations. Pods? Coral. Jellyfish. Right. And then if you start. Want to go whale sharks eat plankton. Look, there's not a living organism in the ocean that's not consumed by something else except sharks.

00:29:28:15 - 00:29:40:12
Speaker 2
But yeah, man, it's already head and shoulders will not let us. I'm not. So I'm wiping them out. Column all these rubbish up.

00:29:40:14 - 00:29:50:15
Speaker 2
There now. Especially down this neck of the woods, these people are going to be struggling. So.

00:29:50:17 - 00:30:27:22
Speaker 2
It's a political site now. That's all it is. It's got nothing to do with the ecosystem or the balance. Like you said, the big friendly shark. I don't know what it is. It's coming to too frightened to make a decision on it because it's politically motivated.

00:30:27:24 - 00:30:47:01
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00:30:47:03 - 00:31:05:02
Speaker 2
Are they like eight injuries in the snapper and stuff?

00:31:05:04 - 00:31:06:21
Speaker 2
Like wireless?

00:31:06:23 - 00:31:19:18
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00:31:19:20 - 00:31:24:23
Speaker 2
So I saw the phone. I was telling me take some of the early. Well.

00:31:25:00 - 00:31:45:17
Speaker 2
Yeah.

00:31:45:19 - 00:31:46:16
Speaker 2
Now I get it.

00:31:46:18 - 00:32:55:12
Unknown
I do understand.

00:32:55:14 - 00:33:44:03
Speaker 1
Me?

00:33:44:05 - 00:34:11:07
Speaker 2
But they're the minority, aren't they?

00:34:11:09 - 00:34:37:09
Speaker 2
Nah.

00:34:37:11 - 00:34:41:01
Speaker 2
They want.

00:34:41:03 - 00:34:55:17
Speaker 2
Oh, really?

00:34:55:19 - 00:35:20:00
Speaker 2
Well, there's still still humans getting eight more sharks flat out round this country at the moment. There's one awake at the moment. You're saying stuff on the media that there's people. I mean, there was somebody got eaten, but, well, nibbled on up the coast. But I'll be going with it. But I mean, there's still more and more humans going in the drink, and you've got the Apex Predator rating, like God knows business.

00:35:20:00 - 00:35:21:01
Speaker 2
And they're just.

00:35:21:03 - 00:35:46:07
Speaker 1
Yep.

00:35:46:09 - 00:36:10:19
Speaker 2
Oh I do. And I've had some odd, yeah, ordinary ones where we've had situations I've looked by some. They've got tears in their eyes and their mask and I just so yeah just, just, you know, all the luck we've been up at that fight and there was, you know, I think Yellow Dolphin was swimming around them. But every time you saw the fish you left to fend off the whalers.

00:36:10:19 - 00:36:30:20
Speaker 2
And it's like I was out there with my team on Marcus and the missus and. And the boys. Yeah. And we just went. Yeah, very good fishermen. And the boys just went unapologetic, you know, happy being in the water because they weren't really getting us. Yeah. Or if you're carrying mum like that, I'm at that time recently on the viewing.

00:36:30:20 - 00:36:48:03
Speaker 2
So it was earlier this year like last year. Was it twice where I was carrying a blue bin. And I think they knock out one of the boys shot in like a four kilo black spot. Dusky. Good fish. You know, you want to take that. I'm like that. And they were like literally trying to rip it out of my hands and visible as a swimmer next to me.

00:36:48:03 - 00:36:59:03
Speaker 2
I just said, right, you ready? And I'll just paste it. And then they just got it in there. There's like ten whales between 4 to 6ft mullet. And then we will probably, you know, 100 yards from the by like.

00:36:59:05 - 00:37:00:13
Speaker 1
Best we.

00:37:00:15 - 00:37:16:08
Speaker 2
That's best we swim about. Yeah. Let you move. You move. The coffin.

00:37:16:10 - 00:37:23:21
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00:37:23:23 - 00:37:30:18
Speaker 1
Oh.

00:37:30:20 - 00:37:31:19
Speaker 1
They're not.

00:37:31:21 - 00:38:57:10
Speaker 2
That. Yeah. They've got bad attitude that they're like the teenage delinquent. Those things are the silver tips. Might they do either. That's what we get round the fads out or dumped on as well. So.

00:38:57:12 - 00:39:09:11
Speaker 2
Yeah, I was just under five. Hope we feel a little up in the boys like sick. And then one of the lads comes out of the shop while we're doing it. Guys, that would have been the adult state rifle. Dean just looks me and goes, thanks dad.

00:39:09:13 - 00:39:13:06
Speaker 1
As a as I just took the last offered us. Yeah.

00:39:13:06 - 00:39:28:04
Speaker 2
How's it was still a bit. Yeah. We got some good photos. It was. And it was really good. The way to win that my.

00:39:28:06 - 00:40:20:13
Speaker 1
This year.

00:40:20:15 - 00:40:30:18
Speaker 2
But my thing is six, six, four, six, five kilos. Six, six, six. Just down to six. Now, if it was six months.

00:40:30:20 - 00:40:48:21
Speaker 2
Yeah, that's not so. That's a black spot League club. Same. Is it a bit different from the, blue by the logical, bolting down this way. So a a, is it real? Well up odd. It might, because obviously I'd keep a close eye on them. Member in the wall of not just the shots, but I obviously but they they're both ample swimmers anyway.

00:40:48:21 - 00:41:09:20
Speaker 2
But this particular they jumped in because I seem I think was pretty cold because then I was like, this is nothing all the time. He was just like, his lips go blue. So he was like, I didn't want to get back in houses, jumped in. It was the last woman dive of the day and I didn't the agent, but Yannick swam 30 yards from the boat and and he said, dad died of a massive blowy on.

00:41:09:20 - 00:41:24:21
Speaker 2
So I'm like, quick jumping down and I swim over there and he did it all on his own. And then you just ripping it out of this rock island on this one. Oh my God, it was a lot. I'm talking, you know, it's we I don't think we ever measured. We probably should on. But, you know, it's a big fish.

00:41:24:23 - 00:41:29:07
Speaker 2
Yeah. I might have been over 700. Like, it was like a 15 pound blow by and like it's a problem.

00:41:29:11 - 00:41:39:21
Speaker 1
So it.

00:41:39:23 - 00:41:44:01
Speaker 2
Was very cool.

00:41:44:03 - 00:42:04:04
Speaker 2
Yeah, I do probably prefer it more than lawn fishing. So when I actually talk about the jury, I've showed a few fish. Actually not on court since the jury, but I don't think I've caught much on one since then. Wow. What have I been out? Yeah, on the on the pads. Just kidding. Wow. Who out there probably would be the lightest sort of thing.

00:42:04:06 - 00:42:21:06
Speaker 2
Yeah, as it was then. And mackerel for sure. I know dolphin fish we should feel when we ate them in the boys type feel their mom and stuff as well. But I'll find the dolphin fish. You could flip a coin, some bits really good and some Advil soft. That's all I was. It's just a yeah, well, like, I don't know.

00:42:21:06 - 00:42:22:15
Speaker 2
I've never we don't really get some.

00:42:22:21 - 00:42:30:04
Speaker 1
I don't know, maybe some.

00:42:30:06 - 00:42:33:24
Speaker 1
That's what it.

00:42:34:01 - 00:42:52:03
Speaker 2
And I can actually had like that. The flesh was like you could literally had been in the slurry and you could literally just turn it. It was like squishing a piece of cotton wool. It was, it just folded in half like there was no mate. It was just collapsed. It was like it was a it was weird. I was yeah, I forgot about that one.

00:42:52:03 - 00:42:57:09
Speaker 2
That was a good feast over on my.

00:42:57:11 - 00:43:15:04
Speaker 2
I've shot a female on off the slasher and stuff. Just slap black male. And I got a 39 kilo black of a of that as a young fella. That was pretty cool. Shot a, Scott Ray for. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was there's this myth of the me to try out. That's another story as well. But like, it does, they don't exist.

00:43:15:09 - 00:43:35:17
Speaker 2
Well, I've seen one, and that was me, mate, I don't know, it was called in about 110m jigging for dogtooth in Fiji. And if you see a mate a trout, it's about a mate around like that. Just the. Yeah that's. Yeah they're, they're the you know the oceanic. I did shoot a shot a was 90 only for only 93 or 94cm.

00:43:35:17 - 00:43:48:01
Speaker 2
One at Scott Ray. So I was pretty happy with that just because I love real up shooting trout. So that was cool. And they're the best eating fish in the ocean. And Mardy.

00:43:48:03 - 00:43:55:05
Speaker 2
So yeah, that and shot. I've been lucky enough to shoot a few Dogtooth, but I'm about 33 kilos, the best one of them, but never show them.

00:43:55:07 - 00:43:59:23
Speaker 1
But that.

00:44:00:00 - 00:44:00:08
Speaker 1
I'm.

00:44:00:11 - 00:44:20:04
Speaker 2
Yeah, I probably is. Actually, I've, I've had a couple of bigger ones on fish and was but a nice one. Good eight in the Rolly Shoals. Boshoff I've seen a couple of good ones caught, but yeah, I've never, never, never, never seen a massive dog like of Kobe. Just haven't put myself in that position that often. I've seen two monsters on the water.

00:44:20:06 - 00:44:50:22
Speaker 2
One will haunt me till the Diadora because of pressure at it. Yeah, I'll just shoot myself. Just got it all wrong. And, Yeah, just bad judgments. That was a Scott race as well. Would've have been over 100 pound. Would have been a 50. Oh, I can as the proper one, a best before now. Also long because then I actually didn't get round like a yellowfin or southern bluefin running that they're quite sort of slender or spicy.

00:44:50:24 - 00:44:55:17
Speaker 2
And.

00:44:55:19 - 00:44:58:00
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah.

00:44:58:04 - 00:45:05:24
Speaker 2
That was actually more that or Iceland class. That was that was a day.

00:45:06:01 - 00:45:28:24
Speaker 2
Eddie from Pike. Lola was out smacking the blazes. He doesn't give us a ring. And, and said, yeah, look, this type of yellowfin, like they bite bowl and they Boston up big Tom, you get out of, you know, you just dropped everything, jumped in the boat was glass. Went out there and, tried to tried to get one on the spear.

00:45:28:24 - 00:45:45:20
Speaker 2
I thought I had a half a shot at one. I didn't I can't remember that you pull the trigger or not when I was. Oh, she's gone now. I might well have done, I can't remember, but yeah, again it was just slight. It was sort of Ian Ryan sort of wasn't and probably hesitated for it. You can't really bomb Russian Loch there.

00:45:45:20 - 00:46:01:10
Speaker 2
They're there. So to have them and they were 30 to 40 kilo though a cannon. So we're still working on that. I'm going to get me on the pan yellow thing before I'm too old. And it's not that Mike's not working on that at the moment. Trying to get the kids are pretty. Kenny shot a nice one with the boys.

00:46:01:11 - 00:46:17:21
Speaker 2
Was sort of with the real guns at it. Was it 25 kilo? Some come up on the 24. It's nice fish. That was that was pretty good. So I do it at home. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. So, but, you.

00:46:17:21 - 00:46:19:12
Speaker 1
Know, it's it's the.

00:46:19:12 - 00:46:45:16
Speaker 2
Certain fish that have more meaning than others. In a way, you are who you with, what you've been gone through. And there's just certain fish that whether you spear them or even hunt them or you catch them, you know, it's like there'll be certain fish in your life that just off. That's the one, you know, that's the one.

00:46:45:18 - 00:47:02:00
Speaker 2
Oh, he's a bit I mean, he's like mean, he's younger than me. But you know, it's all about his young fellow at the moment as well. Young. And Joey's bloody into it all the time. So he's you know he's only this big of somebody luckily gets a bit older. You is Tommy still fishes. Well I mean he's looking after his biggest kid.

00:47:02:00 - 00:47:05:24
Speaker 2
He's looking after dusty most of the time now. The old man's.

00:47:06:01 - 00:47:10:09
Speaker 1
Eyes.

00:47:10:11 - 00:47:23:02
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00:47:23:04 - 00:47:31:17
Speaker 1
It is.

00:47:31:19 - 00:47:46:19
Speaker 2
I they make me. Sometimes they'll just gone up for your turn. We've had enough, you know. But I mean, we've had days. We have a race fishing and. Oh, the one of Dino's mates on a Calvin's. Right. So both of them, whatever. They might have a mate H on board. And, sometimes my fingers a lot. You know the socks, right.

00:47:46:19 - 00:47:57:05
Speaker 2
And shit. But they smack and trout and reds and jigging in shallow water, and I'm just torn, body worn dons and old broads as fast as my fingers can move. And. And eventually the kids say, right, that's it. We're going to have some lunch. Just let dad catch up for.

00:47:57:07 - 00:47:59:05
Speaker 1
Us because there's about five.

00:47:59:05 - 00:48:04:03
Speaker 2
Rods in the jaws line blowing in the breeze on love. Oh, God. Again, you know?

00:48:04:05 - 00:48:06:04
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah.

00:48:06:09 - 00:48:24:15
Speaker 2
You both are. They're actually good luck, cause especially he's been learning these knots. Dino. He's been, is having a bit of a crack where they can tie hooks and stuff on now, but, I mean, you know, it's like trying to talk, you know, 30 or 40 pound, right to 100 pound leader to put it on a jig, to rip a 70 centimeter tray out of 60 vote.

00:48:24:17 - 00:48:40:22
Speaker 2
My, they still do cuts. We do, we do enjoy that. They do the shallow water race fish. And the main reason we fish in that sort of 30 meter country is you can let everything go if you don't even like. We tend to keep trout reds and we get a lot of rank and cod, but you can catch a rank and go near there.

00:48:40:23 - 00:48:46:11
Speaker 2
They'll pick it now. They'll go, oh yeah. Oh nuts. This is a.

00:48:46:13 - 00:49:03:07
Speaker 2
Well I just like go out at the start. But then they're just that bit of a hit that I'm head bang like that. Like this bang goes in the big red span as you get time. So very similar. So they know I can bring the rank up. Same sort of thing. And if you same for the sharks on the problem you can say the rank and you say the bubbles coming off.

00:49:03:07 - 00:49:21:23
Speaker 2
You let the bubbles hit the service before the fish times the Dewi. On times out of ten, you can bear them in and they'll go back down. So we don't mind rank and but we're more. It's not like somebody said you want some trial to rank and you're going to take trout every time. So we're lucky enough with our licenses of three of us go fishing like having three trout.

00:49:21:23 - 00:49:39:10
Speaker 2
I'm. That's all we need. Everything else goes back to the doing that lesson. I can't, I let them. That's one thing they're not they're not that keen on filleting. They help me crawling back clean boats and all that, but filling it all up. And I don't want to waste it, that I reckon that's just getting that.

00:49:39:12 - 00:49:45:00
Speaker 1
Oh, it is.

00:49:45:02 - 00:49:51:03
Speaker 2
All I'm onto.

00:49:51:05 - 00:50:11:14
Speaker 2
I think that's the secret. Having a good blade. I'll tell you to do it. And that's good if you got your crew as well. They get it in the bag, crawl back, gets in the freezer in the foot. That doesn't make it painful that way. It doesn't.

00:50:11:16 - 00:50:11:24
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00:50:11:24 - 00:50:21:00
Speaker 2
That's all. There's a.

00:50:21:02 - 00:50:32:13
Speaker 2
He might have been cold. So that's a I've I've been done that I got I got off pretty light but my mind race got done quite bad. And

00:50:32:15 - 00:50:41:11
Speaker 1
It's just.

00:50:41:13 - 00:50:46:12
Speaker 2
They are they about the as the ones where you get about the size of your little fingernail.

00:50:46:14 - 00:50:47:06
Speaker 1
Yes.

00:50:47:08 - 00:50:54:17
Speaker 2
Just the head. And I love long tentacles, but you can you can barely see them.

00:50:54:19 - 00:51:25:23
Speaker 2
Quite often it's around. Well, shock. So, so it's that sort of March April time where it's tourism season, but, we had a couple of seasons where it was bad and a few people got done. So basically when they do, they, they, they upset your respiratory system. Oh, that. But and you basically can get a cardiac arrest and they can upset your system, like, you hyperventilate to the extent where you can cause bleeding on your lungs, and you'll start coughing up blood and stuff because you're breathing erratic.

00:51:26:00 - 00:51:44:06
Speaker 2
So it didn't quite happen to race that way. I don't think he coughed up blood, but he was like real bad. And we had to bring him in the ambulance and get him spent about 2 or 3 days in hospital, Pike Island. Oh, what's that from Bundaberg? It was if they.

00:51:44:06 - 00:51:46:18
Speaker 1
Nautical miles holding or.

00:51:46:20 - 00:52:09:05
Speaker 2
Not. But one of the other chaps, Nick on board, said, I reckon he's been down by you again. You'd seen it before? I had no idea. And, the funny thing was we've been sparing all day, and it was late. Late in the day, taken off me full wetsuit gloves. You know how everything's all sitting in me bodies and just cracked tin thinking we charity fish, race cars, archers.

00:52:09:05 - 00:52:31:18
Speaker 2
And you guys man, this big green job. He's everywhere, I guess not, there's friendly asm in me, so I've gone in in my shorts, gun, gloves, mask, no coffins, white belt, no suit. Alongside him. He's still fully kitted up. I'm about to dive next to each other for the job, and then he's come off and gone. Oh, and I feel so.

00:52:31:20 - 00:52:49:23
Speaker 2
And it hit him. I think from memory it was all the hell, all the rest. He had this tiny gap between like a glove and the end of his suit or his body in the end, and I was basically nude. Didn't get touched. So this is just, you know, how life works. And it nearly did. It didn't really kill him, but he was he was very cool.

00:52:50:00 - 00:53:10:12
Speaker 2
Dies. And then fortunately now in that I talk about putting vinegar on Tyson that die on. I've always carried vinegar in the die bag. So with vinegar with like the ones that wrap all the tentacles and they get that and that the FDA can't peel them off and you got to pull it. So these different, you don't even know you've been hit like there's no real sting or anything.

00:53:10:12 - 00:53:24:10
Speaker 2
It's just the feeling. And the only reason I know that is because I got done. I was down at coral by and, you can only two light bang goes a mackerel and stuff. We were down the chase in Macau and we got a spot where we get some nice reds down there, and it was crystal clear back there in these couple of weeks.

00:53:24:10 - 00:53:41:18
Speaker 2
Mangoes bank showed us bank cards to the back of the boat and I looked and I went instantly I went scout on and I'd sort of just say, you grab this, not gonna shut up. Pulled himself from the back of the boat. And then I started getting lot spasms and was a bit bleary and whatever my new strata was, I'm not Roddy.

00:53:41:20 - 00:53:57:24
Speaker 2
They got me in the boat. And then I was like, all of a sudden my right arm feels like, yeah, this massive pain. And it. And then it would stop and then you could, you could almost feel my description of the poison flowing around. I remember one point, I had it in me bowls and he was absolutely doubled over.

00:53:57:24 - 00:54:18:02
Speaker 2
It was just going through my system. So all I did is, well, I had a tiny little red mark on my let the boys go. I reckon that's got you on the leaf. You've got this big red splodge. So I poured a heap of vinegar on it and wiped it. So what? It does the back to all the bacteria, the poison, all the whatever it is sits on the skin and the skin continues to absorb it so that the vinegar takes it off.

00:54:18:07 - 00:54:43:02
Speaker 2
It's already in your system, but it doesn't keep coming in. So I was screwed. They got me back. We were probably 20 miles south of coral Bay. Down there fishing, carrying on, spearing and diving and like, cried off and so but it took him a while to get me back. But by the time he got back way, I kept making him stop there because it was a bit choppy and I was at a point I was stop.

00:54:43:02 - 00:55:10:01
Speaker 2
So I just got lost ill from myself to line the boat and just sort of like deal with it. And I kept on me. By the time we got back to coal Bay, I was pretty much okay. And then by the time we got back to Zoe's Ark, it never happened. Eastern.

00:55:10:03 - 00:55:11:21
Speaker 2
It could be.

00:55:11:23 - 00:55:18:05
Speaker 1
Could be. Yep.

00:55:18:07 - 00:55:24:23
Speaker 2
Always that idea. So. Well, I reckon that's the other one. You do?

00:55:25:00 - 00:55:31:14
Speaker 1
Nah nah nah nah nah, I got you covered. Yeah, yeah.

00:55:31:16 - 00:55:38:16
Speaker 2
Is that the story where they all do and having to pay and he gets bit on the cock for the snake and he's Mike and doing the doc. Find out what you gotta do. And the doctor goes.

00:55:38:16 - 00:55:41:21
Speaker 1
Oh yeah, you got to suck the poison.

00:55:41:21 - 00:55:47:18
Speaker 2
Out because what are the doctors? Are you going to die, mate?

00:55:47:20 - 00:55:56:16
Speaker 1
Sorry, lads.

00:55:56:18 - 00:56:13:16
Speaker 1
I don't know.

00:56:13:18 - 00:56:24:13
Speaker 2
Not to pull him out. Well, he's sort of myself and the crew that I was fishing with on in our boat at the time, we saw that used to go to the surgeon.

00:56:24:15 - 00:56:33:21
Speaker 2
Just after Christmas. I.

00:56:33:23 - 00:56:53:13
Speaker 2
He's, He's Goodfellow. We used to call him Papa. His boat was called Papa George, so his nickname was Puff Up. Was his grandad. Whatever time thing introduce him to fishing mad Kiwi fella and just obsessively marlin fishing and he, Frost. Yeah, they've some ice and shit, but he frost and donuts only. So he used to go out and film them and put them on YouTube and Facebook and stuff.

00:56:53:13 - 00:57:11:19
Speaker 2
And you know, it wasn't something that he'd done once or twice, like he was doing this a lot anyway. So this particular day, I went out, I can't remember exactly why I don't, but I think I had Kevin last brain in my legs and other mind in mind. Cole, there was somebody else. I can't remember who I said, but it was glass and the blows were on.

00:57:11:19 - 00:57:29:02
Speaker 2
I think we'd gone for four, two by 10:00, and he was fishing out of a trilobite, and I noticed one of his fingers were up, and I in the boat wasn't really moving. That sort of stuff. So this one, I can feel it vibrating. And so as long as you got it, they.

00:57:29:04 - 00:57:30:09
Speaker 1
I think we broke the.

00:57:30:09 - 00:57:42:00
Speaker 2
Blue, dropped it down another year. We of this canyon of this edge hooked another one called it, and he was still on. I'm thinking he must be on a good fish size. Bingo. Little bit. Maybe we should go and have a look.

00:57:42:02 - 00:57:56:13
Speaker 2
No, no, because it wasn't a carp. I just. He could just tell that he was. The boat hadn't moved for like an hour and a half. Two hours maybe, but, one rigger, he stood it up so he could fight the fish with that rig being out of the way. So you could just tell that some, you know, he wasn't trolling.

00:57:56:15 - 00:58:12:18
Speaker 2
And it was like I said, it was glass calm. So you could say that he was stationary at some time. Anyway, we sort of started getting over there because I'd been calling him and there was another meet him on, what ended up being it might be time at the moment was young. So that hangs out mum.

00:58:12:18 - 00:58:31:19
Speaker 2
Sometimes Liam and he was fishing with another go up there Lou as well. And they knew him and anyway so one's called Papa George and I. Oh, you got no response. No response. So after about two hours, we would go and check him off. Passed out on the boat. So we got there at the same time that Liam and Lou got there.

00:58:31:21 - 00:58:46:23
Speaker 2
I can't see anyone on the boat. And, like, I'm on the bridge looking down from the black horse and shit, son light. So I said, okay, if you take the wheel, I'm going to go in. So I've jumped in. Liam, coming from the other boat. Jump. No one on board. A lot of ice is not good.

00:58:47:04 - 00:59:08:00
Speaker 2
So a lot spinning out. And what was bizarre. So there was a GoPro on the on the, rocket launcher fucking still recording. And while we thought it was not a red light flashing, but he forgot to put the fucking it's there you got and so he could go. So then we would have had a bit more of an idea what was going on.

00:59:08:00 - 00:59:25:22
Speaker 2
So we tried to plan on there was no mistake on and then, you know, plod is on and you can see what the boat's just been doing. Circles and there's 91 and. Right. Not with no line on it, just empty in the whole lot. Five. It's been out. And then he's harnessed this brand new reel sitting in the cupboard in the shop.

00:59:25:22 - 00:59:42:22
Speaker 2
You know what I mean? Not an ounce of lying on it. Not even the not nothing. So a lot of what's happened here at this point, now we're just trying to work it out because it's all a bit of a shock. Like you find a boat, you know, 25 mile off the coast. No one in it is somebody, you know, you're thinking, Jesus.

00:59:42:24 - 00:59:47:04
Speaker 2
Well, what of we've been having the fat Tom fishing.

00:59:47:06 - 00:59:49:02
Speaker 1
Well.

00:59:49:04 - 01:00:04:24
Speaker 2
So I'm like, right. So. Well, this Tom started calling a few of the local boats. A lot of just Saint Paul was empty. Rang. So rescue, I said, we need to get a plane up. You know, but, well, that was like, just so there's no Welsh at all. The bus that Bangor. My small kind of blaming anyone but the lot.

01:00:04:24 - 01:00:11:13
Speaker 2
We can't get a plane, can't afford it, can't make it happen. So there's a fucking dude in the same area.

01:00:11:15 - 01:00:13:10
Speaker 1
But was.

01:00:13:13 - 01:00:42:20
Speaker 2
Of this is your husband your son or. Anyway, so they got along. So is every other fisherman known to man on the piece that I pulled that guy up and started commenting. So I said, Rob, they gave everyone the coordinates where, where and you could see where he'd been fought, like trawling. You could say we'd been fighting the fishing match, and then he could say, all of a sudden on the plot where the boat had just been done because it was just in gear and I'd just been idling round, just in gear, in circles, just the rotation of the proper turn, the outboard enough that it wasn't taut but had been doing DUIs.

01:00:42:22 - 01:01:02:10
Speaker 2
So we've gone back there, have had a look around. We're thinking he's obviously in the drink so couldn't work out well, there was no line on the rail. Was thinking maybe he's been spoiled and he's trying to grab the lot and then obviously something's happened, but he didn't have his harness on and he's black magic belt and all that shit was just unclipped and lying in the bottom of the boat.

01:01:02:12 - 01:01:20:05
Speaker 2
A lot. You thought in the face, you think you would have gone in, and then we're thinking maybe that's the spare one. And he's in the piece with the other rod and reel, blah, blah, blah. Because it was only two rods reels. No one was remembering. Hang on. Nothing. He only runs to you because he's fishing solo anyway to kind of ride along.

01:01:20:05 - 01:01:36:13
Speaker 2
So we started setting up a bit of a grid and some of the big charter boats, but this time it's, you know, mid to late afternoon, maybe 330, 4:00, some. And we're thinking, right, this is what we'll do. So I see there's two rigs a massive fucking tried to swim the rig. So probably 3 to.

01:01:36:13 - 01:01:38:09
Speaker 1
4 mile away.

01:01:38:11 - 01:01:58:03
Speaker 2
So to drive my boat went to one of the rigs and was fishing another day. Went to the other one, another day was out further ward, which was innkeeper one of the guide boats, local guide boats. And he started but he came in from a completely different angle after we've been doing this grid search. And so I can just literally fucking round him over.

01:01:58:03 - 01:02:01:09
Speaker 2
And there he was.

01:02:01:11 - 01:02:07:10
Speaker 1
From a.

01:02:07:12 - 01:02:17:19
Speaker 1
Yeah.

01:02:17:21 - 01:02:32:20
Speaker 2
No. Fortunately, no. And it was like I said, it was as flat as you table in front of us. It was glass, so but it was just starting to get, as, you know, when that afternoon sun comes, you get that little bit of a ripple and it's still a glorious day. But it was just getting that bit of a glare, that little bit of a ripple.

01:02:32:22 - 01:02:51:09
Speaker 2
So he sort of gave a for for memory, the original mark, but in the middle of probably two and a half nautical mile points. So each quarter gridded that out. And then we basically had boats come while my boats go gone the other way. I reckon that was ten at this point.

01:02:51:11 - 01:02:52:18
Speaker 1
So yeah.

01:02:52:20 - 01:03:11:09
Speaker 2
So I'll go. So there was, there was like like a parmesan board. They pulled the pin. Innkeeper pulled the pin. So like, there was charter boats out there with pine customers on them. And, you know, they were very cool. I, you know, not that I wouldn't, but, you know, no one had a problem. And then the rest will probably wreck boats from memory.

01:03:11:09 - 01:03:26:07
Speaker 2
That might have been one of the other charter boats on strike might have been out there as well. But the. So yeah. And the upside of gridding it out trying to find him. And then lo and behold, he was like just three miles sort of out just on one of the corners, just on the grid that we sort of because we're thinking, that can't be.

01:03:26:09 - 01:03:46:07
Speaker 2
It can't be that far. Well, the boat had moved less than point out of an article mile in two hours. Well, that's what we thought. If he's not swimming. Yeah, that's the only place he's going to swim to the rig. So we had two boats working that and the rest work that. He got to be within this radius of the boat.

01:03:46:10 - 01:03:52:17
Speaker 2
Otherwise he's gone.

01:03:52:19 - 01:03:54:21
Speaker 2
Was coming into help.

01:03:54:23 - 01:04:07:20
Speaker 1
Oh, fuck.

01:04:07:22 - 01:04:27:16
Speaker 2
Well it was, it was. Yeah. He he said he could see us and he did what was been on the map that he could. I think when we'd caught that other fish he said in the interview and talking to the, papa was that he could say, yes, I can hook up like right there, and he could see our fish fucking jump on my back and down, catch in the blue.

01:04:27:16 - 01:04:47:21
Speaker 2
And he's in the pacing. He's yelling and screaming, and then he sees us put the gear back out, start fishing. Once we let it go. And he's like, I don't even know. He said, the one thing, oh, goosebumps to sign this DNA said the one thing was he realized he heard my diesel stop and he saw. And then all of a sudden he said he saw my rig just go up and he saw me fucking pace ball.

01:04:47:21 - 01:05:11:04
Speaker 2
And he said, fuck that. Now all blown hair stand up. Oh yeah. He said, that's when he thought I'm not. I might not die today. He was in the water totally about eight hours I think, for the whole time. But I think at that point he'd been in the water, not he, but he was in red. Really? A pair of bodies on not even a shirt.

01:05:11:06 - 01:05:21:09
Speaker 2
Well, he thought he was going to get eaten by a shark. Many fishermen, not a diver.

01:05:21:11 - 01:05:37:18
Speaker 2
Well, you you would almost want to just fucking Mike. Yeah. Just drown or do some. Yeah. Like.

01:05:37:20 - 01:05:55:19
Speaker 2
Well, a before the line was empty, so that was part of it. What happened? Was he avid on the GoPro? He had the fish. Otherwise he probably on his head and the one on the thing, but he had another camera that he was filming the release with, you know. So. Yeah. And he's just filming the fish at the boat, I think wasn't quite the selfie.

01:05:55:19 - 01:06:11:03
Speaker 2
So sort of I don't think from memory, but he'd rest of the line because it was glass I was on. Yeah. He had a fish like a, you know, 400 pound blue on the bill, and he was filming it, and I think he put the camera on, like the cavern boards or the outboard or some like that.

01:06:11:03 - 01:06:14:01
Speaker 2
And if I don't know the fish, I can sure hit the boat. And it just went.

01:06:14:01 - 01:06:15:11
Speaker 1
To plop.

01:06:15:13 - 01:06:22:03
Speaker 2
Like that, and it was just on the like the swim platform and just going over, and he's leant over to grab it and he sort of gone.

01:06:22:03 - 01:06:22:21
Speaker 1
Sunk.

01:06:22:23 - 01:06:44:04
Speaker 2
And he's fucking gone straight over the pace. Not needed to lose his GoPro. So then the button the boat's idling forward. Do you think at all it's not that bad of a second. Swim back to the boat. I only for about an hour and I policed competition swim so the dude could swim and couldn't get back to the boat, couldn't get in there and he was trying to edit off whatever because it was had a bit of an angle he just couldn't get.

01:06:44:04 - 01:07:02:12
Speaker 2
And then every time he thought he was going to get close, he's thinking, fuck, I'm going to chop myself with the problem, whatever else. And then he thought, oh, the fish fishery bit sea back. The drag off the low is about six feet hanging out, split off the back of the boat, but the drags backed off on the tiara well off.

01:07:02:13 - 01:07:26:13
Speaker 2
I'll get that. Am I split? But hopefully the not on all better pull and pull and pull. So the story was he fucking pulled off thousand miles. Very 37 kilo lawn. Hold it like he held on, slowly, came up slowly, pulled himself, slowly pulled himself. You reckon he was like two feet from the fucking getting hold of the back of the boat and the fucking not broke on the rail and fucking.

01:07:26:13 - 01:07:55:08
Speaker 2
He lost a lot. That's why there was no line on it. So like he hadn't that many shit got his way like that. That's, that was somewhere. That's the words from him. That's what I.

01:07:55:10 - 01:08:02:22
Speaker 2
Yeah. What is it would never. Yeah.

01:08:02:24 - 01:08:14:06
Speaker 2
We've all had psychological issues and I laugh. Imagine what that would give you a fucking.

01:08:14:08 - 01:08:31:18
Speaker 2
It was he was in tears because let's put him in the bottom of the black watch. We put him in, then took him in, grabbed an ambulance, and like, even then, like the, the, doctors in the hospital saying, right, you need to give him water, but you got to give him, you know, 200 mils every fucking ten minutes and shit because he was massively dehydrated.

01:08:31:18 - 01:08:53:19
Speaker 2
Fortunately, she had like Alivia and shit so he could deal with the sunburn because he was, like, literally blistered, especially on his forehead. Must like the glare and stuff. And he's been like that. The on couple times he even said it. He thought he was just gonna run out of energy. So. Well, I it's funny, you know, like, I almost still side by side every year.

01:08:53:21 - 01:08:58:14
Speaker 2
It's his birthday. Oh, mom. It was massive. Each other on each other's birthdays still to this day.

01:08:58:16 - 01:09:00:03
Speaker 1
Oh, yeah.

01:09:00:04 - 01:09:15:11
Speaker 2
Well, it wasn't me. It was. It was Liam. It was just the fact that, I mean, Liam was pretty switched on too, and he's like. Because I was, you know, you both a bit fucking do us do them a lot, right? This is what we should do. And as soon as two of you make a decision, you're like, right, well, that makes sense.

01:09:15:11 - 01:09:27:05
Speaker 2
Will do it. So he was really good to bounce it off with as well. He's done the younger fella, but he again spent a lot of time on the ocean. He was just a smart dude and I had a pretty soul.

01:09:27:07 - 01:09:41:15
Speaker 2
Well.

01:09:41:17 - 01:09:54:10
Speaker 2
He's back in NZ Ended up sticking out with the chicken. He's got a, he's a dad now and stuff, so. Yeah. Pretty cool.

01:09:54:12 - 01:10:03:23
Speaker 2
Just pop a George Ross or that's the. So Papa George that's. Everyone knows him as Papa George. Can't think of his son. I know, but when you've, like, a 70 my age, my whole time I was.

01:10:04:01 - 01:10:05:10
Speaker 1
Against.

01:10:05:12 - 01:10:16:20
Speaker 2
What we find. Number is off the top.

01:10:16:22 - 01:10:19:10
Speaker 1
Of.

01:10:19:12 - 01:10:30:11
Speaker 1
Yeah. You know, it's song.

01:10:30:13 - 01:10:38:05
Speaker 1
I don't want to go. Yeah.

01:10:38:07 - 01:10:46:00
Speaker 2
Oh, I own plenty of them.

01:10:46:02 - 01:10:47:17
Speaker 1
Yeah. What what what's.

01:10:47:18 - 01:10:57:24
Speaker 2
What's that done? Come on. What? Some of my better ones.

01:10:58:01 - 01:11:12:06
Speaker 2
Oh, is.

01:11:12:08 - 01:11:20:06
Speaker 1
That.

01:11:20:08 - 01:11:33:05
Speaker 1
Way better than button.

01:11:33:07 - 01:11:35:07
Speaker 1
But I hope.

01:11:35:09 - 01:11:37:19
Speaker 2
Tyler still.

01:11:37:21 - 01:11:43:19
Speaker 1
We can follow. Then. I'm still.

01:11:43:21 - 01:11:51:23
Speaker 2
I thought that was a good one. Down. All of us wondering. What? That's his canvas. What do you got for me?

01:11:52:00 - 01:11:59:04
Speaker 2
Yeah, that was good housing. And, must have been the time when we got bogged us for those ones. Oh.

01:11:59:05 - 01:12:05:05
Speaker 1
I reckon the.

01:12:05:07 - 01:12:14:07
Speaker 1
Any we got were so.

01:12:14:09 - 01:12:22:20
Speaker 1
And gone to the common up to 30.

01:12:22:22 - 01:12:35:09
Speaker 1
It's.

01:12:35:11 - 01:12:39:00
Speaker 2
Not that we walked back to camp, so.

01:12:39:02 - 01:12:42:22
Speaker 1
Yeah.

01:12:42:24 - 01:12:58:01
Speaker 2
I was oh. Was all pretty good then. Marvel wasn't real keen at the time. Thought I was feeding him the crocodiles, but, this one was on these little was on my shoulders that might with him as well, but, Yeah, we were back at camp and having cans of Coke and two minute noodles for dinner that night.

01:12:58:01 - 01:13:17:19
Speaker 2
Did me my. And then when I got in the car the next day. Oh, but, you know, I'd made the, I just same thing. I had gone on this channel, so I'll just back down here. I won't worry about getting the max tracks out. I'll just. I can back down there and we'll be right. And then it goes, like Calvin said, literally, game over.

01:13:17:20 - 01:13:19:15
Speaker 2
But there's no getting max tracks onto there.

01:13:19:15 - 01:13:20:16
Speaker 1
Now.

01:13:20:18 - 01:13:38:05
Speaker 2
And is going to be dark in an hour. And, you know, I just that's the wood duck thing. I just didn't I just fortunately were in the fresh water, thank God. Blew up Loch Campbell my. So we didn't have that problem. But you know, it was it was just that whole thing. Oh, just want to get the kids back to canvas, you know, get this done.

01:13:38:05 - 01:13:40:19
Speaker 2
And, you know, when you just an older, you get.

01:13:40:19 - 01:13:43:08
Speaker 1
Like, guys.

01:13:43:10 - 01:13:58:16
Speaker 2
My, my, like grandfather Jack his middle names Calvin Jack guides. He's, he's named after him. He used to say to me all the time, less haste, Matthew, more speed. I've still remember that to this day. Like, same thing.

01:13:58:18 - 01:14:02:18
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. This is. Yeah.

01:14:02:20 - 01:14:21:21
Speaker 2
Yeah. So yeah. Did that one. That was a good.

01:14:21:23 - 01:14:25:01
Speaker 1
Yeah.

01:14:25:03 - 01:14:44:22
Speaker 2
I got sick him out on not sick a mile and fishing, but, you know, like, it was so, you know, circle thing. Sailfish. That's all fish. Yep. So lots. We're not missing many. That's that's the black sign. So we started on the bike again. Blue marlin running Lowe's kept falling off. So then we went switching the blues catching them.

01:14:44:22 - 01:14:59:09
Speaker 2
So we still in that. So right I was obsessed. My motto was it wasn't a billfish. It was a bait fish. So it was all I was into. Let's catch a swordfish. But we did not.

01:14:59:11 - 01:15:18:18
Speaker 2
We were but anyway, like, it was. So I wanted to. We did the night drifting thing and, just got shocked. Got a couple lost tuna. Fishing was, Raymond King when he first sort of wanted to give it a crack. And this a long time ago. This would have been the early 2000. I remember he had, the gun.

01:15:18:18 - 01:15:39:10
Speaker 2
I was in the chair, and. Oh, it was a blue shark's on, and it jumped like hell. And it was massive, sharp zooming. It was like, I. Oh, we get a few. I'm not a heap, but, yeah. Remember we had this thing on and it was quite a full moon. You could sort of see if it was like it was gone either later and we just heard this.

01:15:39:12 - 01:15:57:08
Speaker 2
And the line's gone slack. And obviously it was jump and, but because we couldn't, you know, he's pretty impaired. The next thing you know, it's come down and it's hit the transom of the boat unfortunately rolled. And it would have been. Yeah. For 50 pound Mike. It was a big fish. It's hit the tree and rolled in to the drink.

01:15:57:08 - 01:16:05:07
Speaker 2
Not endorse. Thank God.

01:16:05:09 - 01:16:19:11
Speaker 2
Yeah. And we just heard the wash of it coming up. And it was about like ten minutes before it come down. But you know, you know, it's probably 10th of a second. And it was just went right. And it was just bright blue, just bang. And then it's just gone in. And fortunately it snapped us off at the same time.

01:16:19:11 - 01:16:33:05
Speaker 2
We're actually pretty happy about that. But telling that never really hooked a sword. And, this was the sort of, you know, mid to late the when, when we were sort of having a few problems with sharks. So I,

01:16:33:07 - 01:16:33:12
Speaker 1
One.

01:16:33:12 - 01:16:54:06
Speaker 2
Of these things. So, I can't remember this was before afterwards. So I, I researched, how inform I didn't call it all. They called it Allen, and he would rig a squid or a belly flap in a Lua, like a mo craft fluoro lua and towel off the down rigger. So we sort of thought, all right, we'll we'll try this.

01:16:54:11 - 01:17:14:05
Speaker 2
And, I can't remember. That was the I think it was the first one. And, we've done it once before and I'd done it with, Rossi used to have, real Taser and, and one day we got a clunk. Remember, the robot was just laying in the chair at the sound. I felt the chair go dunk like that, and I was like, oh, that was up or down.

01:17:14:05 - 01:17:32:18
Speaker 2
Rigs. Let go. Come on. But it didn't hook up. And then we pulled the line and you could see that didn't have teeth marks. And we learned this as well. We'll look in this. No, we'll bill whack at the lower lock. You know, you'd get a rasp marlin ball or whatever, but six feet from the lower up, the later the later would get like these little cut.

01:17:32:18 - 01:17:50:10
Speaker 2
Like he'd hit it with a razorblade and the curls would come off the later. Yeah, yeah. And what it is, obviously it's their bill and on the edge of that bill sharp. So when they smack in the later that would happen. And then at that time we didn't know what that was. Well it was a curly earlies on the late as you put a sheet later at my well, you didn't check it or something, you know.

01:17:50:10 - 01:17:57:14
Speaker 2
And then we realized what that was is obviously that Bill is hitting it. So at that time we didn't know anyway. And then we ended up getting one.

01:17:57:16 - 01:18:01:05
Speaker 1
So yeah.

01:18:01:07 - 01:18:14:23
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. But so I mean you've seen Sailfish especially I mean you look at blues, they obviously do use their bill, but they're more of a what they call like, you know, like going fishing, saying they call a crash ball. Well, they'll just come in and pile on. But you mean you'll see blues, especially with the switch.

01:18:14:23 - 01:18:29:15
Speaker 2
And thing will, they'll do the striped marlin thing or, you know, they would go and they'll come off and that, you know, they obviously all use that bill to feed. And the swordfish just doesn't generally do it on the surface. I mean, certain parts of the same ones as is, but they obviously don't want to chop and squid up down south.

01:18:29:15 - 01:18:59:09
Speaker 2
You see them on the arrowverse's on the rigs and stuff when they get their bill stuck in stuff, trying to whack stuff and lights and things. So pretty hostile fish. But yeah, we caught one on Louisville Slugger belly slap or stripper squid or something like this. And and around that same time, I was following a boat called Prime Time that was doing, stuff on was Middlesex Bank, I think, in NZ, and they were catching lots of them and big ones lot, you know, three, 400 kilo monsters.

01:18:59:11 - 01:19:18:14
Speaker 2
So I end up gone over there and done that. And there's actually one in the fishing club now at home on the wall there, that, Lady Jo spent ten hours and 40 some minutes fight this and you space off in the chair to catch it. The GoPro was hooked right in the bus of the pack, and she just couldn't light it, but not less so strong a big fish.

01:19:18:17 - 01:19:41:01
Speaker 2
So it was 200. So 500 pounds is unlawfully Haiti gouged all along. But it's about Ramsay's room. Lock the proper barrels. Yeah they do either got the big stub on them. Yeah. So yeah that sort of got my day towed for him as well. So that's. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not I can't remember that. I learned of a when I saw it there first or I did it myself first.

01:19:41:01 - 01:19:58:24
Speaker 2
But then we that's how we started catching them. So we were catching more. Yeah. So we were sort of gone okay like this. And then but then again what was happening is we were thinking, the swords are on the canyons. Everything's on those canyons of experts. You couldn't night fishermen because you just every 20s you bite was eaten by a shark.

01:19:59:01 - 01:20:16:08
Speaker 2
You could get all this arrow squid around and do all that sort of stuff, but you just you couldn't soak a bite. And I thought maybe just have lights out and wait for them to swim up to the boat. So we tried we did do that as well. We got these things called hydraulic loads out of the states, and they were like these six foot tube of fucking thousands of dollars and this.

01:20:16:09 - 01:20:33:18
Speaker 2
But first one we got smashed in the fright getting to the end. There's no insurance or anything. So, you know, these bright blue and green lights we used to just hang over there were 12 volt or 24 volt clip into a battery and hang them over. And that was like daylight for, you know, 30, 45. And you buy.

01:20:33:20 - 01:20:56:20
Speaker 2
Yeah. And them was in gimmicks. We caught one and we were just off the back of the canyons. And we had a, had a, at a bite down 30 made us a little sinker on it. And we had one on a balloon that we could just about see the balloon just as the sun was setting. It was probably 730, I remember because we had a, you know, the club that was like spaghetti night the night before and they set off any boats want.

01:20:56:21 - 01:21:18:17
Speaker 2
So we had this big tub of spaghetti. So we're all laying spaghetti because you could nominate one not to fish for swords that you could stay out and extend. So we're all in the spaghetti. My wife most of SPU actually has I thing we hate it I promise. So we've been on the bees all that. Anyway. It was the bees that I do I remember was sitting and I was on top of the, on top of the ladder on the Blackhawks looking in the water.

01:21:18:17 - 01:21:36:16
Speaker 2
And I'm like, fuck that thing there and the lights. And I guess it's a dolphin. This is fucking purple, man. It was just sitting there, just sitting in the lights like that did Station Me, but it was glass because I would be not drifting a little bit. It might have been doing this, but, you know, just in the water at night.

01:21:36:16 - 01:22:02:08
Speaker 2
I'm not wasn't swimming past. It was just there. And then it wasn't there. Just sort of it just disappeared. And I'm like, oh, fucking swordfish don't go off goes the outrigger. Clunk. Got him on. So a lot of our calls this we got him on that one actually jumped a few times. Right Sean I had him on. And then off I got another 24 sit down here and, they're all doing shit, getting gloves and gaffs and bits.

01:22:02:10 - 01:22:07:01
Speaker 2
So I grabbed the 24th, I hauled out of the boat, and I'll just crank this up.

01:22:07:03 - 01:22:07:22
Speaker 1
And then I'll.

01:22:07:24 - 01:22:10:10
Speaker 2
I'll drive the boat. So two cranks of the handle I've got.

01:22:10:10 - 01:22:11:07
Speaker 1
Me.

01:22:11:09 - 01:22:20:12
Speaker 2
Come up. I've come up to it and I've come back now and then it's like, oh, that's a fish or so. It's probably a shock. I'll just cut it off now, man. Look, we've got who knows?

01:22:20:14 - 01:22:22:07
Speaker 1
It's a no chance.

01:22:22:09 - 01:22:46:11
Speaker 2
Lo and behold. So I just sat there. I sat there in the corner with this one, just like the drag on. About two kilos. Just slop up block not given. It just said, well, let's deal with this one because we know this is a sword. We've seen it jump. We had a rod at the boat saw, but because he had a saw him stick, at the wand on, he couldn't really warn the wand on, say, oh, it's grabbed the leader and started to do it and he's coming.

01:22:46:11 - 01:23:01:03
Speaker 2
Grab the leader. And as we've basically going to gather these, it's just he said, oh, we'll just dump it and he's let it go. And, you right deny.

01:23:01:05 - 01:23:23:12
Speaker 2
That's right. The kids are good. And it dumped later just about a 70 made a run that's like an oak fell out. So then you can hear a pin drop on the boat, and I'm like, stand in the corner over there watching all this down on all these fucking chock on. They're going to be happy with me and long behold it ended up being 45.6 sword, which was the state record on 24 for quite some time.

01:23:23:12 - 01:23:31:21
Speaker 2
But it's been recent years, so we ended up having a genuine double because we saw that one. But we'd lost it. And then I say the other one.

01:23:31:23 - 01:23:39:05
Speaker 1
Only.

01:23:39:07 - 01:23:44:05
Speaker 2
And it would be.

01:23:44:07 - 01:23:46:24
Speaker 2
He did. He did a kill.

01:23:46:24 - 01:23:47:11
Speaker 1
It looks like.

01:23:47:16 - 01:24:07:03
Speaker 2
A killed a 90 kilo black on the last day with his old man on 15 for the highest for the heaviest billfish white. Because not they were never that many wide. But I'd buy the only billfish now. So he killed me with a dirty, manky black. But he was. He was a junior at that point. It was probably not much older than Cal's is now.

01:24:07:05 - 01:24:15:18
Speaker 2
And, I think it might have been the state, right. Or so anyway. But there was a price to be had. No one had to say, you know. So yeah, he fucking did give me that.

01:24:15:20 - 01:24:23:04
Speaker 1
That one that.

01:24:23:06 - 01:24:24:09
Speaker 1
Yeah. There you got.

01:24:24:09 - 01:24:29:08
Speaker 2
Well, he's basically 14. So he was, he was your eyes.

01:24:29:10 - 01:24:38:19
Speaker 1
Yeah I did yeah. So that's.

01:24:38:21 - 01:24:45:06
Speaker 2
Well this was before the day. Drop a thing.

01:24:45:08 - 01:25:07:23
Speaker 2
Nah nah I wouldn't I mean it is sent or whatever you call a like it. I had a belly flop in it, but, it was. Yeah. It wasn't just two orcs or whatever. So when, when we were in NZ, they did run mo craft as well because they're soft obviously, but they were running just like big, but you know, big, 14 inch marlin skirts that were fluoro over it as well.

01:25:08:00 - 01:25:29:17
Speaker 2
And they were actually putting like little saw limb sticks in the bight to the bight was actually like glowing, I would tell on them. So small craft, you know, an American, my marlin little pusher, but they're like, hi, what do you got? So polyethylene rubber, but they're all soft, you know, like back in the day. I have a couple of a couple of my the original soft or whatever.

01:25:29:19 - 01:25:45:20
Speaker 2
Yep. These were old school or that. They were like, they're still made today. They haven't changed. They look like a dog's breakfast, to be honest with you. With how some of the modern laws you see these days are just magnificent. You know, they're works of art. They school old school things, but might though they work, they still do.

01:25:46:00 - 01:26:12:09
Speaker 2
Still people smokehouse to build a lot of grinders around the world, and records and stuff like that. So I.

01:26:12:11 - 01:26:23:00
Speaker 2
Just better when it's not you, it's it's more rewarding with them.

01:26:23:02 - 01:26:27:05
Speaker 1
In many ways, life.

01:26:27:07 - 01:26:58:18
Speaker 1
Yeah. You really love.

01:26:58:20 - 01:27:04:05
Speaker 1
It. Well.

01:27:04:07 - 01:27:06:11
Speaker 1
Yeah. Well yeah. They don't that.

01:27:06:11 - 01:27:22:23
Speaker 2
Heavily in the bill fishing if you're honest in the in my defense, they'll do it and they'll fish in the comp for a block and fish fishing game with Marcus or whatever. Then, you know, if Mark says we need to bill fish all day, they'll they'll sit there and watch Lewis all day. And then when he's off, they'll do it.

01:27:23:00 - 01:27:43:10
Speaker 2
But the the thing is with the blue side of things as well, like, obviously we haven't got the black watch anymore. So it's, you know, and it's, it's, I mean harness basically. And he just fits nine now even the sort of small stuff and it's it's hard work. It's hard to target a stripe and actually, you know, they sort of shot when you blue fish in there.

01:27:43:10 - 01:28:04:12
Speaker 2
You could definitely do it. We just basically haven't got round that both cold. I mean don't spend these I don't know a couple of guy mixes. I think he was ten. I even nine spent the best two hours and 40 minutes on 24 spent on a on a black that oh that is I why it don't say it but it's a big fish like it was well over 150 kilo.

01:28:04:13 - 01:28:19:09
Speaker 2
I've got weight. The problem is we fish light so we only 100 pound later on. Light guy talks about it on the wire a couple times and I tend not the wire with gloves on on the light, because you can just feel when you can. Well, that's better, I guess. And I'll let it go. I did on the wall twice.

01:28:19:09 - 01:28:35:03
Speaker 2
And another second he was in tears. Okay. That enough? I should have just held on to his order. And then eventually just I just said my do the he just kept doing the drag up, doing the drag up. And he was hanging on to 24 spin. So no belt. He use me as a game chair for about an hour.

01:28:35:05 - 01:28:41:13
Speaker 2
Oh my god, I don't think he even fish. The next day he came out, but I don't want to fish on watching.

01:28:41:15 - 01:28:46:07
Speaker 1
The,

01:28:46:09 - 01:28:54:14
Speaker 2
You want to get sore though, don't you?

01:28:54:16 - 01:29:11:20
Speaker 2
Yeah, I would then. Yeah, that definitely do remember.

01:29:11:22 - 01:29:14:20
Speaker 2
They just want to put where it's all islands.

01:29:14:22 - 01:30:48:20
Speaker 1
Yeah, exactly. I don't understand,

01:30:48:22 - 01:31:08:19
Speaker 1
Possibly.

01:31:08:21 - 01:31:29:09
Speaker 2
There's there's one is dad, which is probably take precedence because, all of my things in my life is. I think I was born to be a father. Try and say that without crying. But these guys have ties to. I am a, was never the straightest human being going around. And if ever nice to him or losses is my be the person I am today.

01:31:29:09 - 01:31:49:06
Speaker 2
So, it would be. We can say it was on the Fitzroy River. That's as much as they'll give. And it was the day with the yesterday's here. I lower that down talked about just before we went on air and, but we would just it was, Easter time run off glass. No one on the river and the monkeys were eating at.

01:31:49:06 - 01:32:08:19
Speaker 2
It's off and at. These guys were just smacking them. Absolutely. Smacking them to the sides. Were always, I've been driving or not to get there and have got to the point where they were on the main coda and they were like nine and 11, netting their own fish to smack and like 80s 95, 88 was the number. Remember, how many idiots do we get that trip that was just like 88 to 88.

01:32:08:19 - 01:32:31:20
Speaker 2
So they just back in and they were doing it all themselves. In the end, we've actually I've never even added a but it all on GoPro. I got a bit lazy back. I used to do the editing of that, but that would be one of the days, just because, as we said earlier, about on eight, they do it always when you want them to have a day where you just couldn't really put a foot wrong, or we still could, like we had to get them out of that hell snag, remember?

01:32:31:22 - 01:32:49:08
Speaker 2
And they were still getting smoked and bits and pieces, and it was just on that period of the tide. We happened to be in the right place and the boys were just grinning. We were just having the best time. But Deano says we caught it was a hold on just in the slurry column in quarters, and I've got these photos out of the.

01:32:49:10 - 01:33:06:11
Speaker 2
There's just, you know, one of them dies. It. Yeah, it was just one of those days that you just wish you could have the weather. No other human around, just us. And we might. We had the best. It was a really awesome trip. It was just fantastic. So. Yeah. And so I will. I've got it. We've definitely got it.

01:33:06:11 - 01:33:09:23
Speaker 2
So I'll just send it out. Well my dog the hard drive full of it.

01:33:09:23 - 01:33:12:10
Speaker 1
But yeah though.

01:33:12:12 - 01:33:16:11
Speaker 2
We've do it. We had it. We started to do it. We had a little.

01:33:16:13 - 01:33:32:09
Speaker 2
What's it called? Kevin YouTube channel with Katie am I? So we had Katie my adventures. So we've done it's Calvin Lane adventures. So we had the, the stuff there were we put a bit of stuff up, but. Yeah, just with my life. What's happened in the recent years being a bit hectic. I just haven't got on to it.

01:33:32:09 - 01:33:49:23
Speaker 2
But yeah, we've still got lots of footage and there's that.

01:33:50:00 - 01:34:01:08
Speaker 1
Yeah.

01:34:01:10 - 01:34:05:22
Speaker 2
That is a really good question.

01:34:05:24 - 01:34:10:08
Speaker 2
But there's probably several.

01:34:10:10 - 01:34:11:06
Speaker 1
One.

01:34:11:08 - 01:34:28:08
Speaker 2
I would say is like a lot of the boys doing the stuff that's a bit different now, e.g. targeting black tusks on rubber crabs, either on fly or conventional and the traditional humble queen fish.

01:34:28:10 - 01:34:47:07
Speaker 2
There's no one that doesn't enjoy catching the queen fish, and I like JT's. They were vogue them for a while. I think they sort of broke everyone's emotions because now they've sort of cottoned on a bit. They don't tend to eat, but yeah. Look, I think that, are inshore, Queenie, fishing when they're on is just some that sort of goes under the radar.

01:34:47:12 - 01:35:09:16
Speaker 2
And when they're on their proper on, you know, you can be catching getting a bite every second cast on surface is spectacular fish. I think that's a bit underrated. Yeah. If you eat them fresh. So look at Tyler. That's what they're mammals. You can't really frozen. But if you eat them fresh nothing wrong with them. And yeah, I love the just the new dimension of stuff like just, you know, tossing them, boy bars is like, oh, don't catch them.

01:35:09:16 - 01:35:17:06
Speaker 2
And, you know, even catching a few barrow next mouth and my, this black juice is starting to become a thing. We're catching that as well. So look, this there's.

01:35:17:06 - 01:35:18:02
Speaker 1
A few there's a.

01:35:18:02 - 01:35:20:15
Speaker 2
Few fish there that I think could, you know, there's a.

01:35:20:17 - 01:35:20:24
Speaker 1
Just.

01:35:21:02 - 01:35:23:10
Speaker 2
Outside the square is on the right.

01:35:23:12 - 01:35:26:01
Speaker 1
Yeah.

01:35:26:03 - 01:35:33:09
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah.

01:35:33:11 - 01:35:34:07
Speaker 1
That one is. Did you.

01:35:34:07 - 01:35:36:03
Speaker 2
Let him get.

01:35:36:05 - 01:35:51:00
Speaker 1
You got some.

01:35:51:02 - 01:36:18:18
Speaker 2
Not that I read much. Any, any, any more, but, the the man how would, how hobby would, would be the most influential person regarding fishing as a whole in my life for making it my livelihood to my obsession. And I think that he was always a very dry sense of humor. Very, very, I know he is.

01:36:18:20 - 01:36:20:12
Speaker 1
He was it? Yeah. He was a strange cat.

01:36:20:12 - 01:36:38:18
Speaker 2
Good way to put it. Like a he was a he's a different, different dude. But he was a damn good dad as well. And, I mean, he, he had a pretty traumatic closing to his loss, you know, and I, I spent a lot of time with these kids and, and helped him and, you know, his wife and they were good people and just genuine family.

01:36:38:18 - 01:36:59:09
Speaker 2
And I was a good dad. So I think, you know, part of that sort of things, he he made a point of really doing stuff with Jack Elizabeth and Sarah before he passed. And, you know, a lot of that involved fishing, you know, even even with his two daughters. So, I think that that, that influenced me to be when I had kids, it was like, do you want to go fishing?

01:36:59:09 - 01:37:03:04
Speaker 2
And then like that, they went out and they're like, no, I've had enough.

01:37:03:06 - 01:37:03:22
Speaker 1
But I've gone.

01:37:03:22 - 01:37:08:06
Speaker 2
On. I never made it about me. So I think Hal influenced me to make it.

01:37:08:06 - 01:37:11:00
Speaker 1
About what?

01:37:11:02 - 01:37:27:07
Speaker 2
What is right for the people you want to take to enjoy it. Like my dad's a, you know, in his early 80s now and and, I mean, he's caught my own selfish and caught some amazing fish. Never was a fisherman at all that taken me jam down like he get. He never cry. He was a silent, but he,

01:37:27:09 - 01:37:44:17
Speaker 2
As in like, race, little yachts and stuff like that around him. But he he got crooked, he got tired. So he didn't really like going out fishing too much. But he's the same. Like he catch fish off of me going, yep. No, I so I think that, you know, one of those things is like, you didn't make it about you now taught me to make the experience of it.

01:37:44:22 - 01:38:10:11
Speaker 2
If you're fishing for you, it's a fucking job. You're going out and you're going to catch those seasonal fish with, a bag of fish or the garlic or Paul Micelli now, and he he gets it like, even though it's a job, we don't sleep. We just bloody catch batter, drink beer and have a laugh like you not only do, but, you know, you fish hard, you wake up at dawn, fish that bite, go back, have breakfast, maybe have a quick kip, go out, get forward and stuff.

01:38:10:11 - 01:38:36:14
Speaker 2
And then that fish sunset. And so everything, it's just nonstop. Keeps going flat out all the time as well. So, I think that that that how taught me to be taught me to understand this, to be understanding about people you want to introduce into what you're so avidly passionate about, to do it at their level. And I think that's why now these two are so good at what they are, and they they can be even at their young age.

01:38:36:16 - 01:38:57:17
Speaker 2
I take my hat off like if I've got their mates out and bang, I get a mackerel hook up when I'm McCollum. Oh God. Yeah. Even if it's their turn that was doing this like oh you go might encounter cabinet go James or Daniel go Cubs your guy whatever. And that little bit they might have a go because you know that they understand that that probably ten kilo mackerel might mean more to them because I've never caught one life, you know what I mean?

01:38:57:17 - 01:38:59:23
Speaker 2
Like, I don't yeah.

01:38:59:23 - 01:39:16:05
Speaker 1
That forever. Oh, no.

01:39:16:07 - 01:39:34:02
Speaker 1
Yeah.

01:39:34:04 - 01:39:51:04
Speaker 2
Yeah. I think that that is the thing. That's the way you put it. It's at their pace, their level. If you force feed it an assignment, then it's with a kid. And I saw I was a golfer and I tried to force feed them to be down the golf, maybe then end up resenting it. And I know the last thing I wanted was them to resent what I love.

01:39:51:08 - 01:40:00:21
Speaker 2
And it's been through footy. Obviously I coach the kids in the unfortunately, you know, the no. Mark lacrosse, but they've they're pretty handy with the football.

01:40:00:23 - 01:40:22:07
Speaker 2
But you know like they're just the, the they're both pretty lucky that, you know, we went, took them to the blue and white Board Park the other day. So we had might with them as well. Not instantly though. Both. But. So that's why I got a massage today. Pardon me, but it was like before you knew it there on the like gone round, there was all these adults that couldn't do it.

01:40:22:07 - 01:40:34:24
Speaker 2
And these two were getting the bell, getting out from the get off because they wouldn't fall off, you know, like, you know, it was just for me like, why were you doing it? That might work. Camping for a month and I'll try. I'm going to fix it. Mike. Chip are somehow can't afford to be that so. And then yes, that we get it.

01:40:35:00 - 01:40:36:23
Speaker 2
I'd like that.

01:40:37:00 - 01:40:37:22
Speaker 1
But you know so.

01:40:37:22 - 01:40:54:10
Speaker 2
I think that's about in life generally you, you introduce somebody to something or whatever you do, you have a crack. And if it becomes your thing and you go, you grab you people that are close to you to do it, you know, and and you do it as you say that they're right there. Pass.

01:40:54:12 - 01:40:59:20
Speaker 1
Yeah.

01:40:59:22 - 01:41:14:08
Speaker 1
Knife.

01:41:14:10 - 01:41:34:13
Speaker 2
I would imagine so. Patience would be the first thing done expected to happen overnight. Because you can go out one day and you'll get five, six bites in an afternoon. You got the next. And he won't snap a lucky all day. So like, you know, and nothing's changed. The barometer hasn't changed. The currents look the same, the water's the same.

01:41:34:13 - 01:41:54:05
Speaker 2
Board attempts the same, same amount of bite. Your marking them on the sounder line coming up. So they don't tend to be as pain in the ass. The catch is as a as a barrier or something like that. I think that, you know, it's the simple fundamentals with marlin fishing or billfish. It's the same thing, you know, go out, be patient, keep it simple.

01:41:54:05 - 01:42:10:13
Speaker 2
Stupid pawn bait. And it's not necessarily the tuna working on the shop. A lot on the surface in on the inshore saying it's more sort of mark and made water bite, that sort of stuff. And stay where you find the food, you find the fish. Water doesn't need to be blue. I always used to think, not all this grain.

01:42:10:13 - 01:42:30:11
Speaker 2
We got a guy, we got a farm. But if the if the water isn't the best color the spider not fish it. And you'll say. And I haven't good technology these days. Like, use your electronics, but I'm dead. So I would just say, be patient, look for the bait and, Yeah. And just, you know, dot your eyes and fussy taste where you put your gear in, because even a 20 kilo black or.

01:42:30:11 - 01:42:41:18
Speaker 2
No, it doesn't. You know, it's a massive fish as far as fish go with a small for a marlin, but they're still got so much value. That's always another good one. Yet.

01:42:41:20 - 01:42:49:23
Speaker 1
You know, there's.

01:42:50:00 - 01:42:56:19
Speaker 1
Going.

01:42:56:21 - 01:43:20:02
Speaker 2
Pretty for I think the. Yeah.

01:43:20:04 - 01:43:55:19
Speaker 1
Oh I think.

01:43:55:21 - 01:44:03:18
Speaker 2
I need some help here. Right.

01:44:03:20 - 01:44:10:06
Speaker 1
Fine. For you.

01:44:10:08 - 01:44:17:22
Speaker 1
Oh. Oh. Trout and.

01:44:17:24 - 01:44:22:15
Speaker 1
Yeah. Poultry, red and brown.

01:44:22:17 - 01:44:33:00
Speaker 1
Wahoo! On one.

01:44:33:02 - 01:44:35:12
Speaker 1
Yeah. Both. But yeah.

01:44:35:14 - 01:44:55:09
Speaker 2
I just as we discussed before, we went on there like that, but quite uniquely different, you know, where have got the inshore jiggy heavy Spencer by casting sort of salmon. I do a lot more of the game sort of stuff. So in their own market for what they do, the two best brands in the world by a long way.

01:44:55:11 - 01:45:00:03
Speaker 2
Yeah. It spends what you get into exactly wrong.

01:45:00:05 - 01:45:03:20
Speaker 1
Lewis.

01:45:03:22 - 01:45:10:12
Speaker 1
Squirrel.

01:45:10:14 - 01:45:14:02
Speaker 1
I've. Oh.

01:45:14:04 - 01:45:17:24
Speaker 2
I thought it was a hunk of squid.

01:45:18:01 - 01:45:20:05
Speaker 2
A lot of mullet.

01:45:20:07 - 01:45:23:19
Speaker 1
Yeah, a lot of mullet.

01:45:23:21 - 01:45:33:24
Speaker 2
Now he's been tied. Cut. Nah, he's talking about I live by one.

01:45:34:01 - 01:45:39:01
Speaker 2
Oh, yeah. They're actually pretty good to.

01:45:39:03 - 01:45:44:08
Speaker 1
Dine.

01:45:44:10 - 01:45:49:02
Speaker 1
Lamb chops, you know.

01:45:49:04 - 01:45:59:04
Speaker 2
They,

01:45:59:06 - 01:46:17:01
Speaker 2
Tropic style lodge. Because the kids used to watch dude. Perfect when they were young. And they went there and, And it was just like the boys wanted to go there and do that, and I thought I would love to take my two boys to tropics to, lodged, Panama.

01:46:17:03 - 01:46:38:24
Speaker 2
Yeah. Get all that inshore race to Red drum, Kibera. And then offshore. Black, blue stripe, white, yellow. I mean, it just. Yeah.

01:46:39:01 - 01:46:43:01
Speaker 2
Ron. Calcutta.

01:46:43:03 - 01:47:03:01
Speaker 2
There you go. So wrong. Cow cut. You'll have to Google this and do it so wrong. Cow cut. Did the very first videos, VHS videos for The Fisherman's World. He did three fished, with his son and stuff like that. Wrong. Kalka was, talking. I was probably Dane's age. He wouldn't be with us, but he was.

01:47:03:05 - 01:47:22:20
Speaker 2
He was the pioneer of putting his vision dreams out there. Oh, yeah. For me. Well, but he was doing it on VHS and beta. Beta was it beats? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he was like that. But he didn't do that much of it because I think he got very crook his mum or Malcolm Florence from even he was another one.

01:47:22:20 - 01:48:03:21
Speaker 2
You know, he did a lot of the more grand evasion of canes and stuff like that back in the days I.

01:48:03:23 - 01:48:12:18
Speaker 1
I was fishing around the.

01:48:12:20 - 01:48:48:03
Speaker 2
Enjoy it. Take it for what it is. Take it for where it takes you. Take it for what you see, what you experience and not what you catch. That's the bonus.

01:48:48:05 - 01:49:15:13
Speaker 1
That was off.

01:49:15:15 - 01:49:17:07
Speaker 2
Because he hangs out with me too much to put a little.

01:49:17:07 - 01:49:18:19
Speaker 1
But.

01:49:18:21 - 01:49:27:07
Speaker 2
But of course, you go.

01:49:27:09 - 01:49:30:05
Speaker 1
In and.

01:49:30:07 - 01:49:35:03
Speaker 1
But that now.

01:49:35:05 - 01:49:43:21
Speaker 1
Doesn't work.

01:49:43:23 - 01:49:53:24
Speaker 1
That's.

01:49:54:01 - 01:50:19:16
Speaker 1
Okay. That is.

01:50:19:18 - 01:50:32:21
Speaker 2
There, there. The boys are on to it. They'll probably send you one each, and they'll they'll definitely do that. So I've got two questions fiercely like I'm. So did you want to catch your mate 11 on the handle on. Was that some you actually thought you did it?

01:50:32:21 - 01:50:59:07
Speaker 1
But yeah.

01:50:59:09 - 01:51:19:11
Speaker 1
I, I.

01:51:19:13 - 01:51:28:17
Speaker 1
Went.

01:51:28:19 - 01:51:31:00
Speaker 1
Back.

01:51:31:02 - 01:51:37:16
Speaker 1
But one I never.

01:51:37:18 - 01:51:51:18
Speaker 2
I was at your baby bear.

01:51:51:20 - 01:52:03:16
Speaker 1
ERA.

01:52:03:18 - 01:52:13:14
Speaker 2
Oh. Well, let's. Yeah. We get that.

01:52:13:16 - 01:52:26:05
Speaker 2
No. No, that was it. I just thought one because I might. Well, Evan's a good fish. It's a lot. Pilbara was. You would seen a bit like to catch a Pilbara over one. Tends pretty rare like that. We get, you know, you get that one too. So.

01:52:26:07 - 01:52:27:21
Speaker 1
Yeah.

01:52:27:23 - 01:52:45:01
Speaker 2
One, two. Yeah. That 1021I3 seems 101 like you get a few of them. But I was in because I want to live in a good fish. I think of them myself. I've got one 111 114 16911 18. So they're the only fish I've ever caught over one over 110 on the Luas. The best of caught on a lure.

01:52:45:03 - 01:53:01:23
Speaker 2
But I'm only caught for 111 or better in my whole life. And I'll fish for a very long time. But I've caught, I reckon, I don't know, but I'm. For a while there I could remember to about 60m. I could remember where I'd called them and what lure. But then, you know, old age and these got the best of me, so I can't remember any more.

01:53:01:23 - 01:53:18:05
Speaker 2
But, I'm in a probably been lucky enough to catch 60, 70, 80m, but most of them have been one on on or less because I've faced the overload. So.

01:53:18:07 - 01:53:33:12
Speaker 2
Never. Never tried, but never, never even seen it done till you're talking like.

01:53:33:14 - 01:53:53:10
Speaker 2
In that dirty water. And it.

01:53:53:12 - 01:54:08:04
Speaker 2
Yeah. They are, there's no doubt. And then that dirty water, I mean, they've got good sensory, but they can't be saying that. Well, many you can put your rod tip in and you put you put your first guides on the surface. You can't see the tip of your rod like you can't see an inch into that water.

01:54:08:06 - 01:54:12:19
Speaker 1
You know.

01:54:12:21 - 01:54:25:02
Speaker 1
Not with a rod.

01:54:25:04 - 01:54:43:21
Speaker 2
Thanks, lads. Appreciate the plug there. So as you drive into town, it's on the left Miley Street. So just past the first X mass escape. So the caravan was on the left there. So the Marina is on the right. Yeah, well, just on the left before you actually sort of get into town and, Yeah, come in and says we're open seven days a week, and I'm blessed with some of the best stuff.

01:54:43:21 - 01:55:01:06
Speaker 2
A businessman could ever want to have. So, yeah, even when I'm not there, I'm hanging out with these two. You'll still get all the service. In fact, you'll get way better service from then you. Then you will make these ties. Because I'm old and grumpy, so.

01:55:01:08 - 01:55:01:21
Speaker 2
These lads.