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Ep 79 : Things that were better before the internet
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Most of our listeners would be lost with access to the internet but not everything has improved because of the worldwide web. The PickMaster general challenged his/her panel with debating 'what was better before the internet was easily accessible'. Anyone under 30 will struggle to imagine such a world, but those of us who have lived through this technological revolution have memories of a more carefree existence without information overload. So what was better before the internet, our panel give you their opinions.
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Three men with three decades of separation debate three tough choices every week. This is the Pick Three Show. Welcome to another episode of the Pick Three Show, where a panel of experts with three decades of separation debate, deride, and frequently dismiss each other's choices for any topic sent down by the Pickmaster General. He stroke she is a curious being and likes to test his Stroke her panel with some tricky topics and concepts, but today is really testing our memories as we're being asked to select three things we feel were better before the internet became a dominant presence in all our daily lives. Martin grew up at a time before people had computers and concepts that we take for granted today were the stuff of science fiction. Gareth grew up in the eighties and was more fixated on music and playing with his chums in the skips down at the leather factory. Andy allegedly grew up, albeit there isn't little actual proof of that, as the technological revolution unfolded, but was he watching or just playing with his He-Man? To try and remember life before the internet, we have come to our local library where books still rule the shelves and quad contemplation beats frenetic typing on screens. Many a school project was researched in these very rooms as pre the internet. This was our access to information. So, gentlemen, when was the last time you were actually in a library? Oh a couple of weeks ago.
SPEAKER_02Shh.
SPEAKER_01Ooh.
SPEAKER_03Alright, he's being quiet for the library.
SPEAKER_01You don't remember that? You you used to say to something your pal in the library, you would say something, and there'd be a lady behind the desk and she'd go, Shh, oh, I don't like it.
SPEAKER_02When we in Sullivan when we got detention.
SPEAKER_01By the way, I was I was once run over by a mobile library. I don't know if I ever told you this.
SPEAKER_02Oh, here we go.
SPEAKER_01And I was hit and I broke my leg and I was lying in front of it. And I was screaming, and the guy got out and went, shh.
SPEAKER_03Oh, can you remember? So, whenever I think, whenever someone actually says the word internet, the first thing that always comes into my brain is the dial up sound.
SPEAKER_01Dial up modems.
SPEAKER_03You know that type of stuff, and going, please connect, please connect.
SPEAKER_01And then you watch the page download line by line.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Like it was slow.
SPEAKER_02At the time, no one thought it was going to take over anything. You thought, really, this?
SPEAKER_01Nah, definitely not. The World Wide Web. What on earth is that? Oh, it's it's a connected information system that you'll be able to find out everything on. Well, hang on, it's taking me like a day to find out that it's sunny.
SPEAKER_03And if someone phoned whenever you were on the internet, it would flick you out. But the sites go, don't anyone phone whenever I'm on the internet.
SPEAKER_02But the sites were so basic back then. It was literally a homepage with a ream of text. Yeah, no other pages. So you just scroll down, scroll down. Even BBC, who were the pioneers of sport, if you look at some of the BBC sports stuff from 20, 30 years ago, it is terrifying.
SPEAKER_03I I still have my original AOL email address. People have said to me these AOLs, you're so old and ancient. I just go retro. So that I use it, I use it full time. That's still your still my main email address. I still AOL.
SPEAKER_02You do actually? Yeah, I still remember my I still got my well, my hotmail address I created when I was 16 was dingo king at hotmail.com but if I remember Dingo King used to have a laugh at someone say, Yeah, just email that I need to give them a obviously a very crude name and their faces would just drop. I had a friend that you're eating. Why dingo king? I have no idea. There was no logic. I have a friend at at university, Terry, who listens to the podcast, who purposely didn't get a hot mail account. And I said, Why didn't you get a hot mail? He says, The thought of a hot mail owning my mail, and he used to joke about it all the time. Can't think of hot mail without even thinking of that.
SPEAKER_01Anyway, this was what happened when we first started getting access to the internet, and it was a very different time. Whereas nowadays, and we've discussed this recently on one of our other chats, is that the internet, so much of your life runs on it, whether it's your TV viewing, whether it's your information, whether it's your heating, whether it's all of these things are connected to the internet. So, listeners, could you survive? Although that's not today's question, but could you survive in a world with no internet? So, what was better before the internet existed? What were the sorts of things that you now think back and go, actually, that was pretty good, and it isn't really as good anymore now that we have the internet? And so I think we're starting today with Andy or Gareth.
SPEAKER_03We never start with Martin, so you're always the end one. So me? Yeah, go ahead, man. We're going to start with Gareth. Face-to-face socializing. The amount of people I see in restaurants, bars, looking at their phones is unbelievable. Like we were out recently, and there was a couple beside us, and the two of them were watching YouTube videos while on a night out. And there were definitely a couple. And I I even see people walking around watching, I see people walking the dog, just you know, and no one lives for the moment. And I think it has really affected concentration. And the one of the things that I love about this podcast is that we sit down, don't look at our phones literally for two hours. Sorry, I'd like to listen to Andy does the house.
SPEAKER_01Andy does, because Andy's life revolves around it, and his listener feedback's on his phone.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but what I'm just saying, but he's not looking at scrolling. He's not people now don't have the concentration span. I like the idea we sit down here, talk for an hour, which you very rarely get nowadays.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I agree with that.
SPEAKER_03So face-to-face social life.
SPEAKER_02And do you feel looking back before the internet, even in other elements of life, say like business or work, a lot better?
SPEAKER_03I think it was a lot better, a lot more bonds created. The only one thing I would say, which I've said before, is the development of WhatsApp group chats has been a plus.
SPEAKER_01Yes. It's not all negatives, and we're not sitting here like three crusty old dinosaurs saying that the world was better before innovation. There is lots of the innovation that's very beneficial. However, I'm going to put it in very simple terms with regard to the way technology evolved was when I started in business, a big lease was maybe ten pages. By the time I finished in business, a standard commercial lease could be a hundred and ten pages plus then maybe you know some appendices on it, which might be another 50-60 pages. And you're going, we produce so much stuff to to cover all of these things. And this was all because as the internet and technology has improved, you know, they feel the need to do this. But Gareth's point there about socializing and people's interaction is incredibly valid. Yeah. Because one of the things used to drive me to distraction was speaking to one of our staff members and saying, Have you spoken to them yet? And he said, No, I'll try again. And then later in the day, have you spoken to them? Yeah, I emailed them. No, that is not the same thing.
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SPEAKER_03Yeah, there's no bond by that.
SPEAKER_01You don't build connections.
SPEAKER_03I also remember someone said about email says, Email, how do you expect the person receiving the you may write it in a tone and in a mood or whatever? How do you expect the other person in that email to get that tone or whatever the feeling of the thing?
SPEAKER_01But that's where some of the biggest business mistakes get made is people misjudge the tone, yeah, what somebody's trying to say, or one of the other things, apart from anything else, when you're talking to somebody, you give them leeway for the way they talk their language, the way they pronounce things. When you see things badly written apart from anything else, then I just make another assumption that they're not that good.
SPEAKER_03Or they're not detailed.
SPEAKER_01They're not detail oriented, or how can I trust the advice coming from this person when they can't even spell something correctly?
SPEAKER_03True. Even though there's a spell checker.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So again, all of those sorts of things, I think you're absolutely right. I think the ability to actually interact and have conversations is something that has got worse. And by the way, there's a phrase for it which a lot of people refer to as the look down generation. Yeah. Because as they walk along, anywhere they're going, they're looking down at the phone.
SPEAKER_03Whenever you're driving your car now, they step into roads.
SPEAKER_02If you and this is one of the things I've seen recently when recruiting staff, it is the ones that interview that actually can tell you a story.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Not academically, maybe as strong as some of the other ones, but can hold a conversation. It's such an incredible skill set. Because ultimately their peers and people they're working with who go, oh, we'll use AI for that.
SPEAKER_03I feel sort of that they're scared of conversation now. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I think people are generally scared a lot of times that stuff they say will be used against them. Yeah. Because it's such a a world now where you can't say anything. I mean, I'm the oldest of the group here. I know it comes as a surprise to the listeners, but stuff that I would have said in my twenties would absolutely get me banned now.
SPEAKER_03But there was no Aren't you still say that stuff? Yeah, but I've got an edit function. I've got an edit function.
SPEAKER_01But people used to understand the difference between having a conversation with somebody and somebody a throwaway remark or something, and whereas now everything is an issue. Oh, totally. And that's because everything is on the internet. Yeah. And you're seeing so many people. But I think your point is getting people to talk to each other and the connection is vitally important. True.
SPEAKER_02Good. Andy? Uh number three for me is supporting a football team. And this could be any form of sport. But I picked football particularly. And it it took me back to the time before the internet when as a Liverpool supporter you got your transfer news in the paper.
SPEAKER_03Or on C Fax.
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah, or you got results of games because they weren't shown five times in different channels and all in the paper the next day or on the radio potentially if they want to.
SPEAKER_01Or the end of the on a Saturday afternoon where the guy would read out the scores of the video.
SPEAKER_02Now we're in this information overload where as a football fan you go on to any social network and you get bombarded with here's who Liverpool are going to sign, here's what's happening. And it takes away a lot of the fun to a large degree. Even like we were joking earlier about like uh football kit launches, you're seeing them six months before. As a kid, the first time you actually seen a new kit, your team was the first time they wore it.
SPEAKER_01But your team didn't change kit every year, yeah. And they didn't actually the away kit, they might have one away kit, they didn't have three or four away kits.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and even the way that the from a communication point of view, one of our listener feedback or a couple of guys was the Saturday night, the paper at Belfast Tele brought out the little pink paper, local results and local football. You had to get that. You go down in the shop and you get them away. Who won? No internet, nothing. There was something really nice about it.
SPEAKER_01What was that called Ireland Saturday night?
SPEAKER_02Ireland. It was referred to as the Ulster or something. There was a couple of names for.
SPEAKER_03But you're right. Like you used to say, I always remember waiting at C Fax, and you had to wait, you know, was it one minute per page to the put up and you're waiting for the transfer gossip to come and it was done and like the type, and then if you missed it, you had to wait again till it went through the cycle. Like it was exciting.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it was, and it wasn't the information overload where you're getting ten different people telling you ten different things.
SPEAKER_03Although we were on our way to that, and you remember the after that they would do a phone line, yeah, and you know, obviously it was a 45p per minute phone line, yeah, yeah, phone up, and and and they'd do a little Fernandez or you know, that type of stuff, and you go, Oh, I wonder if he's done, you know. Yeah, so that that anticipation has gone.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and I I and I picked football, but you could very much replace that with any other sport than mainstream, say golf, for example, golf with the drama with Live, PGA tour, all the rumours he's moving, he's doing it. Can you imagine 20 years ago turning on a this new golf tour and saying, why is he playing that? True.
SPEAKER_01So I know information overload is something that I think uh the internet has hammered us with, and actually we don't need it. Yeah. Most of the time. In fact, most people understand less. Yeah, I agree. And we may well come back to that subject.
SPEAKER_02So, number three for you, Martin.
SPEAKER_01Okay, mine is friendships.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And friendships, these were real, and you actually knew the people rather than having hundreds of friends on Facebook or followers. You actually met your friends and did actual stuff with them. Whether it was heading down to the Skips at the leather factory to play and pick pick out a belt for your outfit for the weekend.
SPEAKER_03Oh no, the it was the orange things, it was the aha belt. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01But all of the those things you had you met your friends and you headed off on your own set of adventures because but it was a smaller group of friends.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01These days, people sort of, oh, I've got hundreds of friends, hundreds of friends. I'm smart enough to know that with my personality, I certainly don't have hundreds of friends. I have people who either understand me or think I'm the son of Satan. Yeah, it's nothing in between. It's one of those things that you actually go, real friendships stand the test of time, and some real friendships you can maybe not see somebody for 10 years and then you just pick up again because it's all of those shared experiences. Whereas nowadays people have these acquaintances, they know people vaguely, or they met oh Gareth. I've met you at a at an event. Can I contact you by LinkedIn? Can can we become friends? And all I'm going, what a pile of I think it's a very good point.
SPEAKER_03You say they're you know, real friendships were built. Built is a is a proper word for doing stuff. And and they they stay, and and I always give the example of the vinyl vault guys, we haven't seen each other for 35 years, and now it's just like like normal, you know. And I don't think people get into that depth because they don't get into the conversations, or the conversations are interrupted by people scrolling on their phones where there's no continuity, yep, no c and no concentration.
SPEAKER_02The barrier to that is so low because you will ask someone in the social media generation, oh, who you're close with, who you're friends. Oh, I was speaking to so-and-so the other day. Oh, right, really? You met them? No, no, it was online, I haven't seen them in five years. Yeah, that type of thing is the norm now for most people in a social media generation. It is that thing where real friendships take effort.
SPEAKER_01Real friendships take effort is a very good statement because again, if you're not seeing those friends on a fairly regular basis or really connecting with them every so often, they become acquaintances over time. Oh, yeah, I used to spend a bit of time. Yeah, he was a good guy.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01When was the last time you saw him? I think we were eleven. You know, it's it's one of those things. So, real friendships. By the way, I have a theory on friendship, and that is hold your hand up, and if you can name five friends who, if you were in an emergency, you could call on and they would drop whatever they were doing and come to your help. Yeah, if you've got more than five, you're a very lucky person. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02That's good. That's a good idea.
SPEAKER_01Is it more ignoring hollow, you know, ignoring family, yeah, actual friends, friends that you've built, friendships that you've built.
SPEAKER_03I don't like using the words friends overly too much. Because I whenever I call someone a friend, they're they're definitely not an acquaintance, you know, or someone like referred to you two as colleagues. Yeah, contributors was one that they come up with contributors. I always like nobody you know I wouldn't like to I would never say somebody haven't seen it at school when they were a friend of mine. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Or or I would say I knew him at school.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I'd rather say that than say friend. Yeah. Because I've heard so many people say, Oh, I've got friends, I'm friends with them on Facebook. And that that lessens the term friend.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and for me. I'm very lucky. I I actually the guys I play golf on the Saturday morning, there's eight of us, there's four, including me, that were in primary school together in this in the same class. Oh, right. Yeah. So from that side of things, that is a very unusual thing, to be fair. Yeah, and I think that is it's a yeah, it's it's a very lucky thing.
SPEAKER_01Mind you, I thought you were going to a much more interesting statement there because we were saying there's eight of us and there's four, and I was hoping he was going that I actually like and I was going to go, that's gonna make Saturday morning so much easier.
SPEAKER_02He would edit that really badly as well.
SPEAKER_01I just no, I that's why I put it in there. I I'm not gonna put you in that, but there you go.
SPEAKER_03I like a following on from that there, and really on that theme, I my second is childhood. Okay, so that's fine. Again, that's gonna reappear. Yeah, I think childhood. I always look at it and go, my childhood was amazing. I have to say amazing, and it was you know, was no way money oriented, you know, the long summer holidays, no social media or phones, you were sent out in the morning, back for lunch, back for tea, yeah, and back for bed. Uh, and you had to invent games. And there was if you were bored, it's because you had no imagination. You couldn't search for things to do. You maybe the the internet then back was someone maybe had told you about a game, and you go, right, okay, I'll do a version of that. And probably that's why it was we're much more creative. Those days days were long and fun. And I look at kids now, and it was like you know, you sort of drive along and you see kids out on their bikes during the day. That is a novelty now.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER_01Well, you know, again, parents don't let their kids out in bikes the way. I mean, you were when you got the grifter, yeah, you were able to go out and tackle any flat piece of road that you could find within close proximity. Your parents were quite happy that you were out there, and I bet you you weren't wearing the helmet.
SPEAKER_02No, no helmet. Here's here's the angle. I say this to my kids all the time. They love iPads, and some of them will watch just TV and the iPad and the TV's in the background. When we got say like Amiga, well, I got an Amiga for or whatever, but I'll also get golf clubs, new football, and you could balance a lot more time. Yeah, you'd be out and about so much more, even with the other distractions that kids have today. It's just a different mindset.
SPEAKER_03So so so for example, Lily now, who's at that age where we would have been at, how much time in a day would she spend outside?
SPEAKER_02An hour, max. Honestly.
SPEAKER_03Whereas we were out for 10 hours to wear. We were locked in for an hour.
SPEAKER_02We all locked in for an hour during the day. And you're right, the memories there. Nothing about those memories is is mummy. No financial, oh, we did this because of that.
SPEAKER_03And are we fully engaged in it as well? Yeah. You know, if we were when there was no stopping, like even now, like I play pickleball, and at you know, whenever you finish a match, go and look at your phone to see messages or whatever, that type of stuff. And and I hate myself for that to a certain degree. Yeah, and my my my thing is I would leave the phone in the car, but my car it runs by my phone effectively, you know, because the keys on it. So if I left it, I'd be leaving my car open.
SPEAKER_01But the It's okay, nobody's gonna nick it.
SPEAKER_03Yes, but you know, that engagement and it's our like we look back, we all look back at our chalice, and they were amazing.
SPEAKER_02Following on from yours, my number two fits really nicely is shopping, and specifically shopping and Christmas and stuff like that, or even birthdays, especially when you were a kid, Leisure World. Oh, and going in there, the equivalent these days for the kids are going online, going on the website and looking at Smith's Toy Store and go, Oh, what do we want to buy here? The feeling of going into Leisure World a few weeks before Christmas, or before you wrote your Santa list and saying, This is what I hope Santa brings, this, or even birthdays, and their displays, yeah, and it was just there's stuff you hadn't seen before. Yeah, but maybe you'd seen a TV ad of this new figure or character, but you went then, there was hundreds of things you hadn't seen before. Yeah, and you could spend hours looking around that just in awe. Yeah. Love that. So shopping for me before the internet, just such an easier well, not easier, but just much more exciting.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I think shopping's a good one because I think an awful lot of people have reached a point when we were growing up, no food was wasted in the house. Yeah, I agree. Everything was used. It was very rare that any food got thrown away.
SPEAKER_03Probably well out of date whenever you're eating it. Sometimes.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. You know, uh but then it helped me in my swimming career because I got webb feet, food, whatever it was. But all of these things now is people can order far too much stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And it's too easy and it's delivered, and we're all guilty of it. You know, uh no, I'll not I'll just buy a new one. Yeah. And I think that is the sort of thing. Before the internet, you'd have to make much more effort to go and replace something. So you would try and do something. Or when I was growing up, your mum would suddenly go, I've nothing in for tea. Nothing in for tea. And she'd look around and she'd like there'd be like three eggs and a lettuce leaf. Yeah. Yeah. And and a bit of bread. And you go, Right, so you're having an egg and lettuce sandwich for your tea. You know, it's solar cream. That was it. It's what was there. And I think that has has changed that shopping thing. Yeah. Absolutely. And shopping wasn't as big a thing as it is. In the 80s, actually, it was when the shopping revolution kind of exploded in all these stores and everything else. And everybody started buying in a lot more, and we need a freezer to freeze food, and we need big cupboards to keep food. Whereas growing up, it wasn't like that at all. Very simple. It was much simpler, and I don't think it was worse.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I agree. And actually, the memories as a kid of going into these stores and not knowing what was there.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Incredible. You know every product that's released months in advance now? Yeah. So shopping, number two. Good.
SPEAKER_01I like that. Number two for you, Martin? Number two for me is movies. Okay, yeah. And it's the experience of movies rather than actual movies, because some actual movies are garbage these days. But anyway, you went to the movies and you took your chances with the choices being made from the look of a poster or maybe an advert on TV, a short advert that might give you 15 seconds, or a billboard or a side of the bus. And you would go, I saw there was a movie coming. Um and I've used the example before of both Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark. Yeah. Movies you knew nothing about. Whereas now you know everything about these movies. Trailers have been on the internet for months. You've said first trailer, second trailer, final trailer. You you got half the story before you walk through the door. Yeah, yeah. And it removes that excitement. Also, you didn't get repeat viewings of movies, so movies were more of an event.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, fine.
SPEAKER_01You used to go in and you know, five years later, at Christmas, one of the movies that you'd enjoyed might appear. But it was now because everything's streamed and everything. You can watch something.
SPEAKER_03Or no, the radio times and TV times coming out at Christmas. But before Christmas, and you planned how because no video recorders, you planned, I need to stay in to get that film. And you hate it when they crossed over.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. You hated when things crossed over. So I think the experience of going to the movies was much better pre-the-internet because it was more of an excitement and more of an event.
SPEAKER_03And do you remember the video recorder if you were if you were recording something would only record one channel? Oh.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. Oh yes.
SPEAKER_03And you had to make your choice then.
SPEAKER_01But because that was new technology, my dad at a point in time was on the board of governors of the BBC in Northern Ireland.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. And remember you had to record for him?
SPEAKER_01That's it. It's that technology.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_02One-on-one.
SPEAKER_01Listeners, Gareth has scored his second point in 18 months of the podcast. And he's very happy. I've just seen how he celebrates a pickleball. He gets very excited. But you're absolutely right. That technology baffled my parents. You could suddenly record stuff.
SPEAKER_03I know. But anyway, thanks for thanks for doing it. The movie.
SPEAKER_02But on the movies, well, Martin, another element to that is movies. I felt if you were if the the studio had a sequel planned already. But sequels weren't automatic.
SPEAKER_01No, but that's why it was as a standalone story.
SPEAKER_02The quality of that first movie had to be good for cinemas to get it, to actually get TVs to buy the rights of it whenever it came out and all. It was incredible.
SPEAKER_01I started going to movies before there were any multiplexes. So the Curzon on the or the road was one screen. So when I saw Jaws in 1976 in the Curzon, there's just one screen. And then the next showing of it, you'd come out from your showing and it would be cued right around and down the side street to come in to get the ticket to go in.
SPEAKER_03But there is also something about the camaraderie of that scenario where everyone's in watching the same movie, so you know everyone's coming out discussing the same thing or creating the same thing. It's made a slightly different concept. I told you when we went on the cruise, we did the silent disco, and the silent disco was amazing. Because you could see from the headphones what people were listening to by the colour. So there's only three channels you know, blue, green, red. So if everyone's listening to red, you know they were listening to all listening to let's say Durand Duran. I wish I'd cut Durandran in Durandran, and you go, they're enjoying the same thing as me. Okay. So I I I I miss that going to cinema because they're all coming out what going to see different things, wanting to see different things, different senses of imagination, that type of stuff. But the the you we go back to that movies thing, the poster was so important.
SPEAKER_01The poster was important, and the other thing that was important was the movie'd be on for a week. It was very rare that a movie would make a second week.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's fair.
SPEAKER_01And so if you didn't go that week, so they they had people going to the cinema on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, you know, because you had to plan when am I going to get in to see it? Because if it's gone, I don't know when for it. I don't know when I'm going to see it.
SPEAKER_02There's an episode of uh the Big Bang Theory where they go to watch Lord of the Rings trilogy back to back in a cinema, and they're so excited about it, and that level of excitement you don't get.
SPEAKER_01No, you don't get that you would if you went and saw it, Andy, but you you wouldn't.
SPEAKER_02No, as a number one.
SPEAKER_03Number one no surprises for me listening to music. Okay. So music was my thing. You bought an album and you had to listen to it from start to finish.
SPEAKER_01In the order it was intended.
SPEAKER_03Because you know, even fast forwarding or on a cassette tape or whatever was so difficult to do. And you discovered songs that you individually liked that maybe hadn't been hits or whatever, or released on top of the pops or whatever. And bands were able to build a catalogue. And it's no surprises now because they're building the catalogue, you can go and see concerts and they play their old songs that maybe weren't a hit at that stage. And and I think that's why concerts are so good for us now. Whereas now people dip in, they don't get attached to a genre. You know, we talk you're big into heavy metal, I'm big into new romantic. People now have probably a varied music taste, but a very shallow music taste because they dip in and go, I quite like that song by the whatever.
SPEAKER_01Well, I think your ultimate playlist is a good example of that, right? Which is here are 200 of my favourite individual songs. There's no continuity, there's no building through an album, there's no nothing. It's just we'll go from high school musical, which I know you you like to do the Gabrielle part.
SPEAKER_03Sad cafe.
SPEAKER_01Everybody heard sad cafe, and then and then Duran Duran will appear because you are a wild boy, and etc. You know, all of these things will appear, but there's no continuity to it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01You're just like your own wee mini radio.
SPEAKER_03No, but that that there's a purpose in that there. It's that continuity is a cut it that conjures up memories for me. Oh no, I understand. I still listen to albums. You'll go into my eye, I have downloaded albums and I listen to it through start to finish. And nothing I have enjoyed more than that renaissance for me where I have been listening to albums from start to finish and go, you know, something like a one was recently Nina Cherney, and I listened to Start Finish when only released three songs off it, but the other ones were so good.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. I and I was chatting about this recently with Nicole, and she was like, as an avid Westlife fan, she would cue outside the music shop to get tickets, and she told a story about her and her friends queuing overnight because the tickets were that hard to get. Back to your point, you just people now, if they want to go to a concert, ticket outs or whatever, sell them. It's you don't have any loyalty to the band other than I just want to go and listen to it.
SPEAKER_03I'm going to Westlife concert.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I have tickets for Dublin. Can I say that doesn't make me proud of you?
SPEAKER_03No, it's not. I'm doing it as it's obviously not. I know exactly why you're doing it. It's a date night. Yeah, Martin's done it before. Date out of love.
SPEAKER_01Do you know that that's to be admired? Isn't it? Well done, Skippy. Yeah. No.
SPEAKER_02So that number one for me, and I was chatting about this recently with someone, and a perfect timing from the Picmaster General for this. It was nights out with friends.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Number one. Before social media, and it touches on your third point, is people having time to spend with other people and not mobile phones, but the other side of the coin, looking back to whenever sort of my university days or even days after that, it was people just enjoyed themselves more. There was no checking in on their on their social media or taking photos of each other or selfies or stuff. It was just sweet. And if there's an incident or a story happened, the only time you found out about it was the next time you all got together. And there was a lovely like people got more dressed up, people got felt like it was actually something special. It was like a steps concert in your case. No, more dressed up than that one. But honestly, nights out, if I look back 20 years ago, probably so much more enjoyable. People actually wanting to sort of let their hair down more and relax more than constantly checking on everything on their phone, looking at stuff. And anyone I've spoken to recently about this sort of stuff, they're like, back to the mobile phones are the killers of this stuff. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01I may well have said this on the podcast before. But one of the phrases I particularly liked recently was somebody saying when the telephone was attached to the wall, we were free. When the telephone became mobile, we all became tied up. I don't think you have said that before. Well, I think I may have.
SPEAKER_02Well, there you there you go.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. Did I did you say that before, Martin? Say it before. I think I said it before.
SPEAKER_02I think it's highly unlikely. It's quite intelligent. That's why we're walking. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, nights out like these days, if I'm out with friends or family or whatever, people are constantly at times looking to see what other people are doing. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Well, there's this concept as well, fear of missing out FOMO or whatever they call it, is that oh, maybe somebody else is having a better time than me.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Just live your own life. Just do what you're doing or enjoy it.
SPEAKER_02There's a whole generation. Yeah, there's a whole generation of people, and we've all seen it, who go on nights out in particular places just for getting something on social media or something online. I was at this event or I was at this photograph. There's nothing puts me off an organization or a restaurant or a club more than people having a lunch night where they have everyone recording. I was at this, I was at this. Ridiculous.
SPEAKER_01I I don't understand that concept at all of recording everything. And I've tried to explain it various times to various people. You know this concept we used to have called a private life?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01There's a reason it was called a private life. It was your life that you kept away and was yours.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Whereas now everybody wants to share it all of the time. Not my style.
SPEAKER_02A friend of mine was telling me recently about some online dating, and he says the biggest red flag that he has for females is suddenly when they share. Oh, I'm on Instagram and he goes on the Instagram profile and he sees there's like I'm at this event or I'm doing this, I'm a night out with my friends here. It's like that seeking of attention for the sake of stuff sometimes.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. It's just well, that's a whole different uh subject, which I I don't think is for the pick three show. How people make choices these days on a whole range of things.
SPEAKER_02Number one, Martin.
SPEAKER_01General knowledge. Very simple. Before the internet, people knew stuff because you had to know stuff. The internet has made people so lazy, there's a loss of retained knowledge because you can look up stuff instantly. So you don't remember, even if you've checked it the day before, what did I find out? I'll check it again because you don't retain it. There is way too much information out there which causes people to struggle to make decisions as well. So you go, I wonder, should I buy that? And you go on and you read ten positive reviews and ten negative reviews, and you go, I don't know what to do now. I think this is this retained knowledge thing. It is understand what you're hearing, understand, file away stuff that's useful and actually be uh intelligent. Don't rely on that thing in your hand, the internet, to tell you everything all the time. And by the way, one of the number one things I'm finding at the moment, even if I'm trying to research something, is the first thing that comes up on Google is their AI summary. Yeah, it's yeah, it's wrong. Yeah. 50% plus of the time. Oh, you're right.
SPEAKER_03Well, you have someone say whenever I was researching this here, someone came up to say good discussions are now ruined, you know, in the pub or in social settings because someone will say something goes, That's not right. Here we'll just check it. Yeah. And they go on their phones and give the exact whatever it is.
SPEAKER_01I was doing an episode of In the Footsteps of Giants the other night, and I said the the population of Iceland is around 400,000. My colleague Des, I said, No, no, it's way less than that. It's about 320. And third guy, Ron, he checks it online as we're doing the podcast. Yes. And he said the answer's 394,000. I said, Well, I said just in around 400,000. Yeah. And they're going, Well, you were still wrong. I'm going, hang on a second.
SPEAKER_036,000 people.
SPEAKER_01You're miles wrong. That's incredible. But you're you're trying to say, Oh, yeah, you were still wrong. The point is, you have a rough idea, and yes, I'm not following the birth rate in Iceland daily to see how the population is changing. But you knew it was in and around there. And those are the sort of facts that people suddenly go, whereas it some people will go, oh well you know.
SPEAKER_03They want the exact number.
SPEAKER_01Or or they say, Yeah, that used to be 50 quid. Did it? You know, again, and you go, I'm not sure. Well, why'd you say 50 quid if you've no idea what it was?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's it. That's a good one. You get people all the time. I see it every day. People who try to pretend they're intelligent in some way, yeah. Based on something you go, I've just Googled that.
SPEAKER_01There's no There's a huge element of that, and it's this thing. And it used to be experts. We had a debate one day in work, and this is a really stupid debate we had one day, and there was an old phrase many years ago which was on a very clear, cold day, my mum used to say, It's too cold to snow. And we got into a debate in work one day about I was going, No, but it's too cold to snow because it's very clear and it's all the rest of it. People go, Don't be ridiculous. It's only like minus four to minus five. It can't be too cold to snow. Oh no, no, because it's so clear, it's too cold to snow.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01We end that debate ended when we phoned the Queen's Physics Department to actually say, and the guy at the forehand says, Yes, technically it can be too cold to snow, but you need to create those conditions in the laboratory. Oh, dude. Because what you're misconstruing as being fact is the fact that there's no moisture in the air today, so it'll not snow. And so because it's clear and cold, you go, ah, it's too cold to snow. Yeah. Whereas if you think about it, it's frequently snowing in Antarctica at minus 45, and this was minus six, five, or six, and you just go, stuff that you used to know, but then you would go and find out, and now I've never been able to forget that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's a good example. I as that's saying, I had heard a comedian the other day saying for years he believed when someone said they have a house and they said bricks and mortar, he thought for years it was bricks and water.
SPEAKER_03Oh, right.
SPEAKER_02He's like bricks and then the plumbing and all the water in the bricks, and he was like, It's much more logical than just bricks and mortar. I was like, Yeah, that's quite good, actually.
SPEAKER_03Okay, listener feedback? Yes. Okay, Rodney. How's your friend? How's your new friend? Oh, Rodney says uh news, at least you only heard stuff two to three times a day. Breakfast, lunch, dinner. Meeting up with people back then, you did not know what they had been up to every second of the day, so it's something to talk about.
SPEAKER_01Correct.
SPEAKER_03TV, you watch stuff as a nation together, so people shared Dallas or whatever TV moments together.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely spot on.
SPEAKER_03Other one I have here is Kevin. He's your new friend. Good beatings. You're able to beat the kids then soon, and it was no problem. You weren't they weren't threatening your child line and stuff, so they weren't. Truly off duty. Yeah, that's a good one. Truly off duty. And travelling. And probably that the that comes about from probably we we went Greek Island hopping and uh my daughter's big jump. My daughter's going to get your nickname Skippy. Yeah. My daughter's about to go Greek Island hopping, but whenever we went Greek Island Hopping, you'd know accommodation, nothing booked, you had no debit cards, whatever that type of stuff where she's got everything booked.
SPEAKER_01And you'd no worries. No worries.
SPEAKER_03You just picked accommodation by some guy with a laminated photograph at the port. Yeah. And you go that way.
SPEAKER_02Did you have travelers' checks? Travelers' checks. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Oh, travelers' checks were the norm. Were a norm. They were hilarious.
SPEAKER_02The only way. So Connor sent in kids' summer holidays playing on the street, booking holidays in a travel agent. Yeah. I was like, that's true.
SPEAKER_03I remember the excitement of going to a place without knowing what it is exactly like. Correct. And you haven't read a single review about it.
SPEAKER_01The agent the travel agent has said I'd sent a lot of people there and they've been quite happy.
SPEAKER_02That was it. That's all you knew. I remember years ago my dad found a deal on Telitex Holidays or whatever it was. And it was just roads a week, family of four for X amount. He goes, We're going. My mum was like, Where are we going? Where's the brochure? Just trust me on this one, trust me. No, to be fair. Oh, because he's got a cheap. But I remember, yeah, exactly that. John sent in gigs.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you didn't know the set list. You didn't know how they'd been playing. You didn't even know if they'd turn up.
SPEAKER_02He also said going out, which I've mentioned as well, and then his final was dating. And I wrote beside dating. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. What you could read into that.
SPEAKER_01I'm from the generation where, and you and I talked about this before, Gareth, that we had to ring the house and go through probably a parent to get to speak to the person to ask them, could they go out? There was none of this. I'll text you, fancy a coffee. No, that's great, no problem. See you sometime.
SPEAKER_03Martin, I had it worse. I had to do the walk of shame to the telephone box. Uh because I was in university, we didn't have a telephone in the house. Oh. I had to do the walk of shame, telephone box. Hello? Is Angela there? No. And you oh right. And then you had to decide whether you phone back or not and whether they're dodging you.
SPEAKER_02And your brain kicking and telling you all the reasons why you shouldn't on the way.
SPEAKER_03You shouldn't on the whole way. And then on the way back doing the old, I wonder how long I'll leave it. And and actually, there's a very I told you about that film I watched. He's just not a he's just not that into you. Hang on a second. That must have been loose. This is the library. I'll tell you that film, he's just not in that into you, and the and the girl is in it and just goes, I hate this colour ID thing. She says, It's ridiculous. I don't think we need colour ID anymore. Says, I can't phone someone continually without them knowing that it's actually me.
SPEAKER_02What was the number you used to phone to find out who wrong you?
SPEAKER_031471.
SPEAKER_02That was it. I was thinking, yeah, who's that number? Patty sent in waiting for your favourite TV show. Everyone watching it in the country at the same time, as we touched on. Music discovery. Buying an album was a commitment, and recommendations came from friends of the radio. Yeah. Yeah. Discovery, yeah, commitments, good word. Arguments in the pub was his number three. No one could settle an argument with a Google search then.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Remember the Rose and Chandler on a Saturday and getting a question like who's won the World Cup, Premier League, Champions League, and play for 14 different Turkish sites.
SPEAKER_03The debate was the fun. Correct. The debate was the fun. Not the here it is, there's the answer. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And didn't matter who was right, it was understanding it. Johnny sent in banks as his number one.
SPEAKER_01Pre-internet.
SPEAKER_02Pre-internet banking. Actually going in and talking to people and stuff.
SPEAKER_03Number two, going on although I always remember as a kid going in, my mum had to go in and had the pen attached to the thing. And you used to get the thing and draw all over it while your parents were all.
SPEAKER_02His number two is going to the shops, and his number three is dating. Final one here, we'll come back.
SPEAKER_01Well, sorry, going back to dating. Yes. Because you didn't go on a date without having first met the person. Yeah, there was I never I've never went on a blind date. I've got a blind date either. You were going to blind date? No, never.
SPEAKER_02I had to think there. No, I haven't.
SPEAKER_01A mate of mine went on the blind date once, and when the girl turned up with the Labrador, he thought He hadn't really got this right.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god. I wonder if that one makes it.
SPEAKER_02I know, it probably will actually. Nicole mentioned to me her P five teacher used to give them riddles on a Friday night before they left class. Your riddle for the weekend is this. And brilliant. And she literally she'd come home and tell her family, this is the riddle. And everyone would go, I know what it is. I know. And she said there's been multiple times it'd be in a car trip somewhere, they'd all be discussing the riddle and all, not going in.
SPEAKER_01That is so clever. That is very clever. I'm just sitting here thinking about the next one.
SPEAKER_03And and I and that's what kids lack at that excitement. And funny, Angela's grandson is at summer schemes now. Yes. And there's not like there is quite a few summer schemes, but I remember summer schemes were just the best fun union mates.
SPEAKER_01They didn't exist in my time. They weren't summer schemes, but what there were, again, as we talked before, Scout Camp. Yeah. Yeah. Was it your summer scheme?
SPEAKER_02Brilliant. Colin McCamley has returned to the podcast.
SPEAKER_01Martin's going to be welcome back. I I hope you had a lovely time in Benador. He was in Turkey, actually.
SPEAKER_02Um, no social media. The Ireland Saturday night, what I referenced earlier. No emails. He's done four here, so we'll give him four. His fourth one is postcards.
SPEAKER_01Yes. Jeez. That that used to be hilarious.
SPEAKER_03That was hilarious. Like, you know, and he didn't write that much on it. You had to go if you're away from parents, you had to get that threaten and get it posted and find a stamp.
SPEAKER_01We used to have a rule in work that if you were in Holdi, you were allowed to send one postcard, not to you know, rub anybody's face in it. And I remember my boss sending my favourite postcard. He'd gone with the family to Jersey, and his postcard arrived in it. I cracked up laughing because it said Jersey is a small but beautiful island where it rains a lot.
SPEAKER_03So you're going your Holdies not going swimming like that? There used to be tons of them in every shop, and you had to send a postcard. Like you think of that phenomenon. Oh yeah. Of sending a letter of holiday.
SPEAKER_01There was that phase where there was the British saucy postcard. Where they were. And you know, again, yeah, they were funny, but you wouldn't dare send one.
SPEAKER_03Oh, there's that you wouldn't even be seen looking at it if you're with your mum and dad. No. No, no, no.
SPEAKER_02There's that episode of The Simpsons where Homer goes on holiday without Marge and he sends her a postcard that says, Wish you were her, and a picture of a woman in bikinis.
SPEAKER_01Colonel Lou said casual conversations, most people now hide on their phone in public places, which is exactly what you said right at the start there. And sometimes they hide in their they don't even talk at home, they're on the phone. Newspapers. He said newspapers used to be good. Yeah, they are good. Now they're garbage. And he said handwriting was better before the interview.
SPEAKER_02That's a really good one, actually.
SPEAKER_03You know, I loved a good newspaper. Yeah. Football transfers and stuff. Do you know? I read it from back to front.
SPEAKER_01Do you not still get the paper on a Saturday?
SPEAKER_03But get the Financial Times.
SPEAKER_01I thought you did. I don't know where I got that from. I probably told you previously.
SPEAKER_03Yes. I do love the Financial Times, but it takes me weeks to read it. Weeks. Like I like I I woke up last night and I couldn't see but I was actually reading the week before last Saturday's Financial Times. Did you not listen to then the footsteps of Jance? It'll get you over fairly quickly. Very quickly.
SPEAKER_01Anyway, Courtney Thompson.
SPEAKER_03It's a Northern An accent. It's Martin's voice.
SPEAKER_01I know it. Just imagine. I could do a separate tape for you that you could have. Gareth, just relax. Just relax. Drift off. Just imagine Snug anyway, right. Anyway. Courtney Thompson wrote, cannot comment as I am far too young for this topic. And I think that's fair enough because they she didn't live before the internet was a factor. Jack Solomon, uh, he said family movie night, the trip to extravision, where the whole family picked the movie together. This has been a for over two podcasts where we've kind of covered a not dissimilar topic.
SPEAKER_03Is this has been a huge thing that was a just as he says, it was a family event. It was. How often do are there family events like that anymore?
SPEAKER_01Much rarer. Yeah. Or certainly, certainly at the age we're at. Yeah, yeah. You know, we're not doing those things.
SPEAKER_03Like I'd love to, you know, the girls are there and they write girls, let's all go down, we're gonna pick the film type. Now we do, we always try and watch a movie on a Friday or Saturday night together, and we do try and pick it together and the girls of something kind of thing. And it and and they do do a bit of research on it, but the journey, yeah, excitement, all that type of stuff.
SPEAKER_01Jack also said live sport used to be better, and we made that point. Is that if you you didn't have your phone, you weren't scrolling, you were actually watching live sport. And he said local knowledge of your area mattered. And then he said finding that unique cafe or restaurant when on holiday and then going back time and time again because it was your spot. Yeah, that's very true. No need for other people's reviews, you have to find it, you liked it, and you'll just keep going.
SPEAKER_03I ate in the one place 99% of the time over ten years in Portugal. Was that the chicken place? No, that was the that was another place. A lamb place, wasn't it? Yeah, it was. Remember the cafe I told you about there?
SPEAKER_01Oh, yes, yes.
SPEAKER_03Thank you. Tell me a little bit about the cafe.
SPEAKER_01What did Lamb or something? No, no, no.
SPEAKER_03Say I mean no.
SPEAKER_01Uh Ashley Parks said buying concert tickets, yeah. It added a sense of occasion having to be somewhere for the the time the tickets went on sale. Overnight. Often super early, or camping out, as he said, yeah. Video games actually being in the same room as your mates when you were playing video games as opposed to doing it online, which I think is true. And then he said, apologies for bringing the mood down, but bullying. Bullying is never good, but it was less bad back then pre the internet. Yeah, you could go home and escape from it, whereas with the internet for a lot of kids now, there is no escape. And fair play, Ashley, that's a good and serious point. I think bullying has escalated dreadfully thanks to the internet. And I think this is what it finds. Parents don't want to prevent their kids having access to internet phones, yeah, those sort of things. It's a fine line. But it's a very fine line.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and there's a fear to let yourself go because you're being recorded. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I'll tell a very quick story. When my younger son was at school, there was an element of bullying going on, and one of the kids had said, with the other kids backing him, Right, uh, I'm going to fight you on Saturday, such and such, and all the rest of it. And you know, if I'm not doing well, my mates are going to give you a doing anyway, sort of thing. And I said, Right, this is unacceptable. I'm not happy with this. So I rang the parent of the kid who was threatening to fight Johnny, and I said, Look, boys are destined to fight on Saturday. I think it would be better if they fought tonight in your garden. And I'll bring Johnny round in ten minutes. You see, yep, you see whether or not and I'm not to mention the guy's name for lots of reasons. You see whether he still wants to do this. The parent hung up on me, rang me back in two minutes, and said that's sorted, uh, there'll be no such thing. There was no thanks for telling me. That's fair. There was nothing he he never spoke to me again, but we dealt with the issue heavily.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and that's what we do. One of the things I was going to start off with was the phrase I'm gonna tell your dad whenever he gets home.
SPEAKER_01Which was pure fear. But the point is bullying has got worse, and if you're involved in the school system, you see it every day.
SPEAKER_03Now and the kids recently.
SPEAKER_01The the impacts of it. Absolutely. So I think that's a very, very valid point. And the internet has certainly not helped that.
SPEAKER_03So I'm gonna add even a more serious note to that, their their access to things that they think they could do.
SPEAKER_01Yes. And that's you're we're into very serious territory there. And uh but I do think too much knowledge. I think if you're being I mean, a lot of our listeners won't be kids, but if you are and you're being bullying, go talk to people, go talk to your parents, go talk to your teachers, go just talk to people and make sure that you're okay. Stephen McMullen, who's also in the school system as a teacher, he says the social and interaction skills of the general public, uh, societal attitudes, how people speak to each other, and how they feel they can type anything they want on the internet. And then as a teacher, the management of behavioral issues were easier pre-internet because of things like social media misuse. And again, he's alluding to bullying as well, so that there's that. Johnny Kerr said customer service actually was better before the internet. He's right. People's ability to think critically and research topics themselves. He says, ironically, more information, less knowledge. True. And he said childhood was another one, which mirrors what you were saying, Garth. Um, Victoria De Nun, who's known to the podcast as Queen Victoria, she said uh Friday night TV was a lot better pre-the-internet.
SPEAKER_03Like you sat down in Dallas.
SPEAKER_02I always remember Fraser.
SPEAKER_01I think Dallas was Wednesday. No, Friday.
SPEAKER_02I remember channel four on Friday nights Frasier Friends.
SPEAKER_01And Ellen.
SPEAKER_02Ellen, and then there was a Caroline the City, was the other one.
SPEAKER_01Caroline and the City. There's a there's a forgotten one. Yeah. Vic also said going on holiday was much more of an adventure back then.
SPEAKER_03You kind of didn't know what particularly where Dino's where she was going.
SPEAKER_01No, well, it was all over the place because we're talking about the Amazon. Yeah, the Amazon.
SPEAKER_03Remember, she dropped down before. I know. It's great.
SPEAKER_01And then her third one was privacy. There were no smartphones capturing a night out. Yeah. Therefore, you said the stories were just you were either there or you weren't. Yeah, let us also go.
SPEAKER_02Great choices.
SPEAKER_01And then Big Keithy uh said uh we coped without seeing or hearing world news 24-7. We you watched the news once a day, yeah, and that was it. Uh he said, planning a European road trip with just an AA roadmap and a fluorescent marker pen. I know, like which used to be a brilliant thing. Yeah. And finally, his last one was travelling up from Newcastle to Belfast to buy an LP from Harrison Music or Golden Discs. It was a just a great day out. I get the internet is hugely beneficial, but I think people ignore how detrimental aspects of it are and can be, and that they haven't helped certain elements of society. Yeah. And if the internet were to fail, which is a topic I revisit every so often, if it was to fail, many, many people would feel absolutely lost.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and empty.
SPEAKER_01Empty. Their friendship groups wouldn't exist. Everything that they so it's this thing about the self-sustainability of people is has been undermined by by the internet. Yeah. So it's an interesting topic. With we've had a few laughs with it, we've also had a few serious points. I have to say, that one made me think a little bit more as well. It's not the most straightforward of topics. It was a good one. Yeah, good. So well done to the PMG for uh coming up with that. We will be back with another Pick Three show in the not too distant future, and keep sending in when uh you can your viewpoints. Who how do they send it in, Gareth?
SPEAKER_03To the pick three show at gmail.com.
SPEAKER_01And Gareth mans that hotline 24 hours a day.
SPEAKER_03Always on it.
SPEAKER_01Yes. And in fact, how's the call centre dealing with the flood of coast?
SPEAKER_03Okay, we had to we had to hire more recently. Uh and there's a lot of sponsorship opportunities coming in at the moment. But good. Okay, well we'll sit down and choose then.
SPEAKER_01That's good to know. Anyway, we'll be back shortly with another episode. But until then, on behalf of the podcast, my name is Martin.
SPEAKER_03My name is Gareth. Oh, my name's Andy.
SPEAKER_01Do you know it's not the most complicated exit that we do from the podcast, but every so often the boys make it a little tricky. Anyway, listeners, we'll see you all very soon.