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Be a good"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2138.18,"endTime":2143.72,"body":"trainer if you want to have good"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2143.9,"endTime":2147.26,"body":"teammates at your disposal,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2143.9,"endTime":2147.26,"body":"because it's not necessarily"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2147.26,"endTime":2149.66,"body":"true that you're just going to"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2147.26,"endTime":2149.66,"body":"be able to go to the market and"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2149.66,"endTime":2153.02,"body":"magic up a project controls"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2149.66,"endTime":2153.02,"body":"team. I have found that very"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2153.02,"endTime":2156.08,"body":"much not to be true over the"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2153.02,"endTime":2156.08,"body":"past few years. Like our"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2156.08,"endTime":2159.5,"body":"filtration system, goes from"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2156.08,"endTime":2159.5,"body":"1000s of applicants to two or"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2159.5,"endTime":2162.46,"body":"three who get interviews to none"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2159.5,"endTime":2162.46,"body":"that we hire a lot of the time,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2162.76,"endTime":2166.54,"body":"right? So we can't count on"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2162.76,"endTime":2166.54,"body":"hiring people. We have to train"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2166.54,"endTime":2170.32,"body":"them. So, you know, if you are a"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2166.54,"endTime":2170.32,"body":"seasoned professional looking to"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2170.32,"endTime":2173.14,"body":"staff up a team, you better get"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2170.32,"endTime":2173.14,"body":"hiring so you can start training"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2173.14,"endTime":2176.5,"body":"those people right now, you"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2173.14,"endTime":2176.5,"body":"know? And so that brings me to"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2176.5,"endTime":2180.66,"body":"my advice for brand new people"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2176.5,"endTime":2180.66,"body":"getting into things, right? And"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2181.02,"endTime":2184.14,"body":"actually, this is advice. This"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2181.02,"endTime":2184.14,"body":"is a piece of advice that"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2184.14,"endTime":2186.66,"body":"Claudette Smith from Hess"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2184.14,"endTime":2186.66,"body":"Corporation gave when we were"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2186.66,"endTime":2191.52,"body":"when we were asking at ACE,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2186.66,"endTime":2191.52,"body":"remember, yeah. So Claudette"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2191.52,"endTime":2194.34,"body":"said, Find a mentor. That was"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2191.52,"endTime":2194.34,"body":"the best advice you could"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2194.34,"endTime":2197.34,"body":"possibly give to somebody like"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2194.34,"endTime":2197.34,"body":"find somebody to latch on to and"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2197.34,"endTime":2201.5,"body":"learn from, who knows what you"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2197.34,"endTime":2201.5,"body":"want to know and find out how"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2201.5,"endTime":2205.4,"body":"they got there. Walk in their"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2201.5,"endTime":2205.4,"body":"footsteps, but don't walk too"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2205.4,"endTime":2208.58,"body":"deeply in their footsteps. You"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2205.4,"endTime":2208.58,"body":"know. Don't hold to that so"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2208.58,"endTime":2212.84,"body":"strongly that you wind up being"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2208.58,"endTime":2212.84,"body":"10 years ago's best risk"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2212.84,"endTime":2216.5,"body":"analyst. You want to be 10 years"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2212.84,"endTime":2216.5,"body":"from now's best risk analyst. So"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2216.5,"endTime":2220.18,"body":"you have to take the lessons"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2216.5,"endTime":2220.18,"body":"from that experienced mentor and"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2220.18,"endTime":2224.86,"body":"mate them up with all of the new"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2220.18,"endTime":2224.86,"body":"technology and new skills and"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2224.86,"endTime":2228.16,"body":"experience and the changing"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2224.86,"endTime":2228.16,"body":"project landscape to create a"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2228.16,"endTime":2232.6,"body":"new kind of project controls,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2228.16,"endTime":2232.6,"body":"professional one that is AI"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2232.6,"endTime":2236.38,"body":"literate from jump, right, like"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2232.6,"endTime":2236.38,"body":"I had to learn how to use it as"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2236.38,"endTime":2239.14,"body":"the technology was developing."},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2236.38,"endTime":2239.14,"body":"Well, somebody entering the"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2239.14,"endTime":2242.76,"body":"workforce in five years, they're"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2239.14,"endTime":2242.76,"body":"going to enter with a mature"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2242.76,"endTime":2246.18,"body":"suite of AI driven technologies"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2242.76,"endTime":2246.18,"body":"and super advanced machine"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2246.18,"endTime":2249.42,"body":"learning data analytics at their"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2246.18,"endTime":2249.42,"body":"disposal. So what are you going"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2249.42,"endTime":2253.56,"body":"to do with that? Like you have,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2249.42,"endTime":2253.56,"body":"you know, a massive stockpile of"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2253.56,"endTime":2256.26,"body":"incredible stuff at your"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2253.56,"endTime":2256.26,"body":"experience or at your"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2256.26,"endTime":2258.96,"body":"fingertips? What are you going"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2256.26,"endTime":2258.96,"body":"to do with it? Right? So you"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2258.96,"endTime":2261.2,"body":"need to start thinking along"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2258.96,"endTime":2261.2,"body":"those lines, like, I'm not"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2261.2,"endTime":2263.84,"body":"saying every project controls"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2261.2,"endTime":2263.84,"body":"person needs to boil down to"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2263.84,"endTime":2266.72,"body":"being an analyst, because that's"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2263.84,"endTime":2266.72,"body":"not enough, right? You need"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2266.72,"endTime":2270.56,"body":"somebody who can take that"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2266.72,"endTime":2270.56,"body":"analysis and test it against"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2270.56,"endTime":2273.38,"body":"real world. This is something"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2270.56,"endTime":2273.38,"body":"that Ben flyberg is really big"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2273.38,"endTime":2276.5,"body":"on, like, your best idea is"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2273.38,"endTime":2276.5,"body":"useless if it hasn't been"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2276.5,"endTime":2280.04,"body":"tested, right? So, you know,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2276.5,"endTime":2280.04,"body":"take the data analytics, go out"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2280.04,"endTime":2283.72,"body":"there and into the field and"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2280.04,"endTime":2283.72,"body":"test them right? Make sure that"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2283.72,"endTime":2286.12,"body":"what you're thinking is going to"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2283.72,"endTime":2286.12,"body":"work, does work, and when you"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2286.12,"endTime":2288.46,"body":"figure and by the way, learning"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2286.12,"endTime":2288.46,"body":"that something doesn't work is"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2288.46,"endTime":2292.78,"body":"just as good as learning that"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2288.46,"endTime":2292.78,"body":"something does work. Okay, so"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2293.08,"endTime":2297.28,"body":"test your ideas. Be a thought"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2293.08,"endTime":2297.28,"body":"leader, but not in the I'm on"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2297.28,"endTime":2300.18,"body":"LinkedIn. I'm doing a thought"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2297.28,"endTime":2300.18,"body":"leadership post kind of way, but"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2300.18,"endTime":2302.76,"body":"in a way of like, no, no, I've"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2300.18,"endTime":2302.76,"body":"been down this road. I know how"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2302.76,"endTime":2305.22,"body":"this works. I know how this"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2302.76,"endTime":2305.22,"body":"goes. Oh, I know how to use that"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2305.22,"endTime":2307.98,"body":"tool. Oh, this, have I heard of"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2305.22,"endTime":2307.98,"body":"replet? You bet I've heard of"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2307.98,"endTime":2310.44,"body":"replet. I use it to build these"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2307.98,"endTime":2310.44,"body":"five things, you know that kind"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2310.44,"endTime":2311.28,"body":"of thing, right? Right?"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2311.64,"endTime":2313.56,"body":"There,"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2311.64,"endTime":2313.56,"body":"there, get there. You have it,"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2313.56,"endTime":2316.86,"body":"folks, yeah, learn to use"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2313.56,"endTime":2316.86,"body":"replet. We have a love hate"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2316.86,"endTime":2319.8,"body":"relationship. Me and replied,"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2316.86,"endTime":2319.8,"body":"yeah, yeah. All right, man,"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2319.8,"endTime":2321.08,"body":"thanks. Albert. Thank you."},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2321.08,"endTime":2324.32,"body":"Nate. Hey"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2321.08,"endTime":2324.32,"body":"everybody. It's Albert here."},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2324.32,"endTime":2327.14,"body":"Thanks for tuning in to the"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2324.32,"endTime":2327.14,"body":"risky planner podcast. We hope"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2327.14,"endTime":2329.6,"body":"today's conversation was"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2327.14,"endTime":2329.6,"body":"informative, and above all else,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2329.6,"endTime":2332.78,"body":"inspires you to excellence in"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2329.6,"endTime":2332.78,"body":"what you do. If you like today's"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2332.78,"endTime":2335.96,"body":"episode, don't forget to rate,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2332.78,"endTime":2335.96,"body":"subscribe and leave a review. It"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2335.96,"endTime":2339.14,"body":"helps us reach more listeners"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2335.96,"endTime":2339.14,"body":"just like you. I'd also like to"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2339.14,"endTime":2341.92,"body":"thank Thompson, Igbo, for"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2339.14,"endTime":2341.92,"body":"letting us use his excellent"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2341.92,"endTime":2344.86,"body":"music on our show. If you like"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2341.92,"endTime":2344.86,"body":"what you hear, check him"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2344.86,"endTime":2350.32,"body":"out@igbomusic.com that's E, G,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2344.86,"endTime":2350.32,"body":"B, O music.com talk to you"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2350.32,"endTime":2350.62,"body":"later."},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2360.7,"endTime":2363.66,"body":"So I ran out of things to say"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2360.7,"endTime":2363.66,"body":"about that. Nate, I'm going to"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2363.66,"endTime":2365.22,"body":"be honest with you, fair enough"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2363.66,"endTime":2365.22,"body":"i."}]}