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I"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":775.36,"endTime":778.6,"body":"heart frag"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":775.36,"endTime":778.6,"body":"nuts, yeah, but it's, we are"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":778.6,"endTime":784.8,"body":"really excited to see the paper"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":778.6,"endTime":784.8,"body":"and the presentation for you."},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":784.8,"endTime":786.6,"body":"And who's your partner? Writing"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":784.8,"endTime":786.6,"body":"it again?"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":787.38,"endTime":789.0,"body":"So there's,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":787.38,"endTime":789.0,"body":"there's three authors. It's"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":789.0,"endTime":792.12,"body":"myself, Roger Bradfield, also"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":789.0,"endTime":792.12,"body":"from do, kanish, and Rachel"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":792.12,"endTime":795.06,"body":"Fleming from MVP, excellent. So"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":792.12,"endTime":795.06,"body":"shout out to Rachel. Rachel,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":795.06,"endTime":797.64,"body":"absolutely. And Roger, of"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":795.06,"endTime":797.64,"body":"course. Hey, Roger, how you"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":797.64,"endTime":798.12,"body":"doing? Man?"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":798.12,"endTime":799.98,"body":"Then shout"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":798.12,"endTime":799.98,"body":"out to my neighbor, Dave, who is"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":799.98,"endTime":802.1,"body":"a constant source of positive"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":799.98,"endTime":802.1,"body":"feedback,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":802.16,"endTime":804.2,"body":"right? Okay, while"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":802.16,"endTime":804.2,"body":"we're doing shout outs, hey dad."},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":808.16,"endTime":811.04,"body":"Well,"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":808.16,"endTime":811.04,"body":"let's wrap up, man, yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":811.04,"endTime":815.84,"body":"So it's been a great year. 15"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":811.04,"endTime":815.84,"body":"episodes, yeah, yeah. 12 months,"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":815.84,"endTime":819.92,"body":"starting from scratch. Starting"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":815.84,"endTime":819.92,"body":"from scratch. I think I had a"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":819.92,"endTime":821.98,"body":"pretty bad mic,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":823.78,"endTime":826.0,"body":"but your mic is"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":823.78,"endTime":826.0,"body":"much better now it is. I"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":826.0,"endTime":828.4,"body":"have a"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":826.0,"endTime":828.4,"body":"fuzzy you do? Yeah, it look"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":828.4,"endTime":830.02,"body":"legit. It's very cute."},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":830.079,"endTime":833.319,"body":"Yes, is very it's"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":830.079,"endTime":833.319,"body":"an adorable microphone. Anyway,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":833.799,"endTime":836.859,"body":"it's a squishmallow microphone,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":833.799,"endTime":836.859,"body":"okay, yeah, I don't know what"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":836.859,"endTime":840.159,"body":"that means well, but you're the"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":836.859,"endTime":840.159,"body":"routine daughter."},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":840.16,"endTime":843.6,"body":"That's why"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":840.16,"endTime":843.6,"body":"let's close off with that one"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":843.6,"endTime":846.36,"body":"piece of advice that you like to"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":843.6,"endTime":846.36,"body":"give our listeners. Albert, over"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":846.36,"endTime":846.78,"body":"to you,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":846.959,"endTime":849.419,"body":"yeah, thanks. So"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":846.959,"endTime":849.419,"body":"this is going to be a little"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":849.419,"endTime":852.959,"body":"self serving, but my piece of"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":849.419,"endTime":852.959,"body":"advice is, please stay tuned for"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":852.959,"endTime":856.859,"body":"2026 our we have we're already"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":852.959,"endTime":856.859,"body":"working through some episode"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":856.859,"endTime":859.679,"body":"content. So tell your friends to"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":856.859,"endTime":859.679,"body":"listen to the risky planner"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":859.679,"endTime":862.019,"body":"podcast. That's my advice to"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":859.679,"endTime":862.019,"body":"you, because it's going to get"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":862.019,"endTime":862.939,"body":"it's gonna get it's gonna"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":862.939,"endTime":864.919,"body":"get fun,"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":862.939,"endTime":864.919,"body":"and we're gonna have some like"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":864.919,"endTime":867.319,"body":"ways to provide feedback and"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":864.919,"endTime":867.319,"body":"engage with us. So really"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":867.319,"endTime":869.659,"body":"looking forward to 2026,"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":867.319,"endTime":869.659,"body":"absolutely."},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":869.66,"endTime":872.24,"body":"So my advice to"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":869.66,"endTime":872.24,"body":"you is, is get connected to us,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":872.24,"endTime":873.44,"body":"because we're about to get"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":873.5,"endTime":876.14,"body":"connected"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":873.5,"endTime":876.14,"body":"to you. And Like and Share,"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":876.14,"endTime":880.3,"body":"Like, Share, planner.com, yep."},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":876.14,"endTime":880.3,"body":"Okay, thanks, Albert, thanks"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":880.3,"endTime":881.92,"body":"Nate. All right, see you all"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":880.3,"endTime":881.92,"body":"next year."},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":883.78,"endTime":886.18,"body":"Hey folks, it's"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":883.78,"endTime":886.18,"body":"Albert back in my home studio to"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":886.18,"endTime":890.62,"body":"say thank you for a really fun"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":886.18,"endTime":890.62,"body":"25 I hope you're looking forward"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":890.62,"endTime":894.16,"body":"to next year as much as I am. 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You"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":915.54,"endTime":918.24,"body":"can find his stuff@igbomusic.com"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":919.86,"endTime":924.68,"body":"that's E, G, B, O, music.com,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":919.86,"endTime":924.68,"body":"until we meet again. Happy"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":924.68,"endTime":927.56,"body":"holidays. Happy New Year, and"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":924.68,"endTime":927.56,"body":"I'll see you in 2026 you."}]}