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Like, we"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2457.58,"endTime":2460.9,"body":"can't do 300% better, right?"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2457.58,"endTime":2460.9,"body":"Like, we need to plan on"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2460.9,"endTime":2463.84,"body":"incremental improvements that"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2460.9,"endTime":2463.84,"body":"happen a little bit at a time,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2463.84,"endTime":2466.24,"body":"and we need to start planning"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2463.84,"endTime":2466.24,"body":"for those improvements right"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2466.24,"endTime":2470.38,"body":"stinking now. So you know, you"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2466.24,"endTime":2470.38,"body":"asked earlier about knowledge"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2470.38,"endTime":2474.82,"body":"transfer, historical data,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2470.38,"endTime":2474.82,"body":"documented lessons learned, even"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2474.82,"endTime":2477.88,"body":"the people from those teams,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2474.82,"endTime":2477.88,"body":"those people, are all gold mines"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2477.94,"endTime":2480.66,"body":"of information about what could"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2477.94,"endTime":2480.66,"body":"go wrong on a big capital"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2480.66,"endTime":2483.42,"body":"development. And I was kind of"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2480.66,"endTime":2483.42,"body":"poo pooing the idea that all of"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2483.42,"endTime":2488.22,"body":"that knowledge is transferable,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2483.42,"endTime":2488.22,"body":"and not all of it is, right, but"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2488.22,"endTime":2491.28,"body":"some of it is, and some of the"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2488.22,"endTime":2491.28,"body":"general concepts certainly are."},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2491.52,"endTime":2494.7,"body":"So those people, you know, when,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2491.52,"endTime":2494.7,"body":"when the new guys come in and"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2494.7,"endTime":2497.46,"body":"they're like, ah, they ran over"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2494.7,"endTime":2497.46,"body":"by 200% fire everybody, it's"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2497.46,"endTime":2500.84,"body":"like, well, that's pretty"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2497.46,"endTime":2500.84,"body":"destructive instinct. So I guess"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2500.84,"endTime":2503.42,"body":"that's my thing. Like, number"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2500.84,"endTime":2503.42,"body":"one, count on it cost you more"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2503.42,"endTime":2507.8,"body":"and taking longer, okay? Number"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2503.42,"endTime":2507.8,"body":"two, build a controls framework"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2507.86,"endTime":2511.76,"body":"to allow for that to happen, you"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2507.86,"endTime":2511.76,"body":"know, and still have the project"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2511.76,"endTime":2516.38,"body":"be under control, right? Number"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2511.76,"endTime":2516.38,"body":"three, start nailing the scopes"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2516.38,"endTime":2520.84,"body":"of some of these really serious"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2516.38,"endTime":2520.84,"body":"like nation building projects,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2520.84,"endTime":2523.0,"body":"especially the first of their"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2520.84,"endTime":2523.0,"body":"kind. Ones are the ones that"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2523.0,"endTime":2528.4,"body":"have extreme schedule pressure."},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2523.0,"endTime":2528.4,"body":"And number four, don't, don't"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2528.4,"endTime":2532.48,"body":"just fire everybody. Okay, keep"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2528.4,"endTime":2532.48,"body":"some of the people so that you"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2532.48,"endTime":2534.94,"body":"can keep their knowledge too."},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2532.48,"endTime":2534.94,"body":"And there"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2534.94,"endTime":2536.92,"body":"you have"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2534.94,"endTime":2536.92,"body":"it. All right, thanks. That's"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2536.92,"endTime":2538.72,"body":"great. That was good discussion."},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2536.92,"endTime":2538.72,"body":"Thanks."},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2538.72,"endTime":2540.04,"body":"Albert, thank you."},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2538.72,"endTime":2540.04,"body":"Nate, appreciate"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2540.04,"endTime":2541.2,"body":"it. All"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2540.04,"endTime":2541.2,"body":"right, see you all later."},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2543.719,"endTime":2545.579,"body":"Hey everybody."},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2543.719,"endTime":2545.579,"body":"It's Albert here. Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2545.579,"endTime":2548.219,"body":"tuning in to the risky planner"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2545.579,"endTime":2548.219,"body":"podcast. We hope today's"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2548.219,"endTime":2551.039,"body":"conversation was informative,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2548.219,"endTime":2551.039,"body":"and above all else, inspires you"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2551.039,"endTime":2554.399,"body":"to excellence in what you do. If"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2551.039,"endTime":2554.399,"body":"you like today's episode, don't"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2554.399,"endTime":2557.339,"body":"forget to rate, subscribe and"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2554.399,"endTime":2557.339,"body":"leave a review. It helps us"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2557.339,"endTime":2560.159,"body":"reach more listeners just like"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2557.339,"endTime":2560.159,"body":"you. I'd also like to thank"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2560.159,"endTime":2563.179,"body":"Thompson, Igbo. Igbo for letting"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2560.159,"endTime":2563.179,"body":"us use his excellent music on"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2563.179,"endTime":2565.639,"body":"our show. 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