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See you later."},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":1675.36,"endTime":1677.1,"body":"Hey everybody,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":1675.36,"endTime":1677.1,"body":"it's Albert here. Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":1677.13,"endTime":1679.71,"body":"tuning in to the Risky Planner"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":1677.13,"endTime":1679.71,"body":"podcast. We hope today's"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":1679.8,"endTime":1682.55,"body":"conversation was informative,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":1679.8,"endTime":1682.55,"body":"and above all else, inspires you"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":1682.58,"endTime":1685.91,"body":"to excellence in what you do. If"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":1682.58,"endTime":1685.91,"body":"you liked today's episode, don't"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":1685.94,"endTime":1688.7,"body":"forget to rate, subscribe, and"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":1685.94,"endTime":1688.7,"body":"leave a review. It helps us"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":1688.82,"endTime":1691.64,"body":"reach more listeners just like"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":1688.82,"endTime":1691.64,"body":"you. I'd also like to thank"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":1691.67,"endTime":1694.85,"body":"Thomson Egbo Egbo for letting us"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":1691.67,"endTime":1694.85,"body":"use his excellent muzhik on our"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":1694.97,"endTime":1697.31,"body":"show. 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