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Like, is one"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2562.46,"endTime":2565.34,"body":"project developing land that is"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2562.46,"endTime":2565.34,"body":"then utilized by another"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2565.43,"endTime":2568.46,"body":"project? Are there shared labor"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2565.43,"endTime":2568.46,"body":"resources? Are there shared"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2568.58,"endTime":2571.43,"body":"pieces of, like, procurement or"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2568.58,"endTime":2571.43,"body":"engineering, or whatever? Like,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2572.09,"endTime":2574.28,"body":"what's actually being shared"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2572.09,"endTime":2574.28,"body":"amongst your program? You have"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2574.43,"endTime":2577.31,"body":"to think about those things, so"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2574.43,"endTime":2577.31,"body":"that you can develop the"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2577.43,"endTime":2580.22,"body":"linkages between the projects"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2577.43,"endTime":2580.22,"body":"and seed the risk model with"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2580.37,"endTime":2580.52,"body":"data."},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2581.149,"endTime":2584.229,"body":"If I'm"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2581.149,"endTime":2584.229,"body":"curious about, you know, all of"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2584.259,"endTime":2587.079,"body":"these things, and experimenting,"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2584.259,"endTime":2587.079,"body":"like, where do I start?"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2587.71,"endTime":2590.56,"body":"Weirdly, you"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2587.71,"endTime":2590.56,"body":"should start in Las Vegas. Why?"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2591.91,"endTime":2595.63,"body":"Because that's where the expo"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2591.91,"endTime":2595.63,"body":"is. So, Roger and I, and of"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2595.69,"endTime":2600.46,"body":"course, Rachel, we will all be"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2595.69,"endTime":2600.46,"body":"presenting our paper, Risk 4852"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2601.3,"endTime":2604.17,"body":"Contingency Management Framework"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2601.3,"endTime":2604.17,"body":"for multi project programs at"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2604.35,"endTime":2608.52,"body":"this year's AACE conference and"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2604.35,"endTime":2608.52,"body":"expo, and that is happening june"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2608.64,"endTime":2612.75,"body":"28 through the 30th at the MGM"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2608.64,"endTime":2612.75,"body":"Grand in Las Vegas. Our paper"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2612.84,"endTime":2615.39,"body":"specifically is being presented"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2612.84,"endTime":2615.39,"body":"on the morning of the 30th, so"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2615.54,"endTime":2618.57,"body":"don't leave early, okay? You got"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2615.54,"endTime":2618.57,"body":"to come see us, you got to talk"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2618.63,"endTime":2619.38,"body":"to us about it,"},{"speaker":"Roger Bradfield","startTime":2619.44,"endTime":2621.23,"body":"and we'll also"},{"speaker":"Roger Bradfield","startTime":2619.44,"endTime":2621.23,"body":"be presenting the paper at the"},{"speaker":"Roger Bradfield","startTime":2622.25,"endTime":2627.59,"body":"Saffron Expo in Las Vegas the"},{"speaker":"Roger Bradfield","startTime":2622.25,"endTime":2627.59,"body":"day after the AAC conference is"},{"speaker":"Roger Bradfield","startTime":2628.01,"endTime":2628.43,"body":"completed."},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2629.12,"endTime":2632.27,"body":"Excellent."},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2629.12,"endTime":2632.27,"body":"Well, Roger, thank you for being"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2632.33,"endTime":2636.65,"body":"our first guest on our podcast."},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2632.33,"endTime":2636.65,"body":"Thank you for"},{"speaker":"Roger Bradfield","startTime":2636.71,"endTime":2638.27,"body":"having me."},{"speaker":"Roger Bradfield","startTime":2636.71,"endTime":2638.27,"body":"Hopefully the next one will be"},{"speaker":"Roger Bradfield","startTime":2638.36,"endTime":2641.48,"body":"more entertaining, guest, I mean"},{"speaker":"Roger Bradfield","startTime":2638.36,"endTime":2641.48,"body":"podcasts."},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2641.48,"endTime":2647.32,"body":"Roger, you're.. I"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2641.48,"endTime":2647.32,"body":"can't thank you enough for all"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2647.38,"endTime":2650.17,"body":"of the kind things you've said"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2647.38,"endTime":2650.17,"body":"about the show. On the show,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2651.64,"endTime":2654.58,"body":"you've been really helpful. It's"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2651.64,"endTime":2654.58,"body":"true, like, yeah, it's true."},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2655.15,"endTime":2658.6,"body":"Frankly, listener, if you've"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2655.15,"endTime":2658.6,"body":"gotten this far in the episode,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2660.22,"endTime":2662.04,"body":"thank you. You are a hero."},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2663.42,"endTime":2665.04,"body":"All right."},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2663.42,"endTime":2665.04,"body":"Well, thanks, Albert. Thanks,"},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2665.1,"endTime":2665.31,"body":"Roger."},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2666.0,"endTime":2666.69,"body":"Thanks, Dave. You"},{"speaker":"Roger Bradfield","startTime":2666.719,"endTime":2667.739,"body":"can cut"},{"speaker":"Roger Bradfield","startTime":2666.719,"endTime":2667.739,"body":"whatever you want."},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2668.19,"endTime":2669.27,"body":"All right."},{"speaker":"Nate Habermeyer, APR","startTime":2668.19,"endTime":2669.27,"body":"See you next time."},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2676.679,"endTime":2678.419,"body":"Hey everybody,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2676.679,"endTime":2678.419,"body":"it's Albert here. Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2678.479,"endTime":2681.049,"body":"tuning in to the Risky Planner"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2678.479,"endTime":2681.049,"body":"podcast. We hope today's"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2681.139,"endTime":2683.899,"body":"conversation was informative,"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2681.139,"endTime":2683.899,"body":"and above all else inspires you"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2683.929,"endTime":2687.259,"body":"to excellence in what you do. If"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2683.929,"endTime":2687.259,"body":"you liked today's episode, don't"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2687.259,"endTime":2690.049,"body":"forget to rate, subscribe, and"},{"speaker":"Albert Brier","startTime":2687.259,"endTime":2690.049,"body":"leave a review. 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