The Magic of Trees with Catherine Crestani

This episode is being released early due to Cyclone Alfred which is off the coast of Brisbane. It was important for me to release this episode because I followed Catherine's advice regarding my property, and the souls of those rocks, trees and prisoners of war, and Aussie soldiers, have now gone to the light- so thank you Catherine, you may have saved my life! Namaste.

• In this episode, Katische Haberfield talks with Catherine Crestani about the wisdom that is contained in the land, including all elementals, and ancient wisdom of the Earth. 
• We discuss how to learn from the trees, and to importantly ask them for permission, how to heal their souls, and listen to their stories, and in exchange they will pass on the wisdom that your soul needs to hear. 
• I think this wisdom is timeless and cross cultural and I thank her for opening my mind, to the wisdom of nature.

Catherine Crestani

Catherine has worked in allied health, before transitioning into a career as an intuitive healer and spiritual coach. She has run and sold successful companies, mentored students and others in her profession, as well as guided and healed many souls globally. Catherine hosts a podcast called Willow Healing Matters and interviews guests from around the world about their healing journeys. 

The idea for Catherine’s novels and books come through to her through her intuition. Catherine is unaware on what will come until the book is being written and the manuscript unfolds. This has led to her writing from a unique perspective that is beyond her imagination and keeps her guessing as much as those she is writing for. With unique storylines and spiritual topics that will capture an audience, Catherine is excited to share her spirit writer with the world.     

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Transcript

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Welcome to the infinite life with Katische Haberfield. I'd like to take you on a transformative journey, exploring the mysteries of the soul. I hope you enjoy the regression case studies, mediumship interviews, and fascinating discussions that I've had with guests on the podcast. I hope that these answer some of the questions that you might have about life on this planet, on others, and in other dimensions. Thank you for joining me and please don't forget to like and subscribe and Most importantly, share with your friends. Namaste. Welcome back to the Infinite Life with Katische Haberfield podcast. I'm your host, Katische Haberfield, we are in season 13 of the podcast. this week we have another Aussie, which is a real blessing for me because I usually talk to people from all around the world that I don't get very many Aussies. So welcome to the show, Catherine Crestani. Thank you so much for having me Katische. You're welcome. Now, I'll just read your profile so that people can understand a little bit about you before we get into our discussion Perfect. to be about the magic of trees. Catherine has worked in allied health before transitioning into a career as an intuitive healer and spiritual coach. She's run and sold successful companies, mentored students and others in her profession as well as guided and healed many souls globally. Catherine hosts a podcast called Willow Healing Matters and interviews guests from around the world about their healing journeys. This title is also shared for her sub stack, where articles are shared each week to inspire others and empower them on their journey. Catherine's interest in writing resurfaced as a way to share information she's collected and reflects on the intricacies that make life extraordinary. The idea for Catherine's novels and books Come through to her through her intuition. Catherine is unaware on what will come until the book is being written and the manuscript unfolds. This has led her to writing from a unique perspective that is beyond her imagination and keeps her guessing as much as those she is writing for. With unique storylines and spiritual topics that will capture an audience, Catherine is excited to share her spirit writer with the world. There we go. So that's great. So trees in the background for a start. Yes. Let me in on your journey, firstly in terms of how did you first discover this connection to trees or how did that come about? What was the process like for you? Oh, it was. So it was part of my spiritual awakening journey. I've always felt very connected to land. I remember when I was younger, and I'd watched Pocahontas for the first time and I thought, Oh, I want to be Pocahontas. I want to run with the wind and have a mother willow tree and all these amazing things. And that's not where willow came from, but it's funny. I have willow in my title, but and just evolving with that. And, but then it kind of got squished, as like, you know, life happens and all your friends, you influences. And to the point where I was like, I think when I was getting near the end of high school, I want to live in an apartment in the city. And now I couldn't want further from that. I want to be surrounded by trees and have ocean in front of me and. Really have that land and that space to be with that. So as I was going through my spiritual journey and unpacking things I started to connect more with guides and with, different intuitive people. And I kept getting this thing with trees coming up and my spiritual mentor came down to the property where I live at the moment and we went out into the land and I felt very connected from there from a very, early point moving down here. So. The connection originally started when it was actually my birthday and we'd been living here for two months or three months, two or three months. And my husband said, I'll take, take our son out. And your gift is you can go meditate in the bush. Thank you. So I went out there and this beautiful spirit of the land came forward and just beckoned me to follow. And took me through this crazy track through like the bush and everything. And I just trusted it and kept following. And there was this big, beautiful tree and I call it the heart tree. And I sat down and I just felt myself in this circle and enamored with this circle and around. And they said to put my hands on the tree. And I just had this beautiful feeling of love, but also being shown the shadows that I needed to work through and the darkness as well, because it's when we truly embrace that side of ourselves that we can love ourselves completely and wholly. And so then I started to get these messages through trees and I felt pulled to start running nature camps with kids as well. So I would take kids out into the bush and actually teaching them. you need to ask permission first before you just take something from something. And kids are so easy to work with. They didn't question it. They would just go, Oh, can we pick this flower? I said, I don't know. Did you ask? And they're like, hang on. Oh no. It said no. And then we'd have this discussion about possibly why it said no. Maybe it needed it to pollinate or maybe it needed it to share its seat or whatever it might be, or maybe the animals needed it to eat, but they were just so open to it. Whereas if I have that conversation with an adult, they'd be like, why do we need to ask? I can't hear anything, you know, just really, really doubting. And then my spiritual mentor was out with me and we were walking, like connecting in with the heart tree and then connecting with other aspects of the land. And we were both pulled to this tree and it's like a child tree. And it had this really childlike energy and it was so cheeky because you'd see it and then you'd almost walk past it the next time. It was almost like playing hide and seek with you like pulling its energy in and pushing its energy out. And then we were both there standing at it going, I wonder what its name is? Because trees can often have names and they if you start looking to they have faces it's really cool if you start to look at the faces. And at the same time, I said, Immy something, and she said, Timmy. And at that moment, we're like, okay, we're both not crazy. We're both getting the same intuitive moment. And it was really, gelling for us. And from there, this information just started to come through on how to connect with trees and actually how to use them to, heal your own energy, but also how to share that with others too. And, , well, two questions. The first question is, when you said you followed this spirit through, would you call that a nature spirit or would you call that, was it like a First Nations Aboriginal, , kind of a spirit? Yes. Yeah, it was more. same in a Yeah, yeah, I feel it was more a First Nations spirit, but even older than that, it felt even more like older than that, like almost like the original guardians of the land, if I put it back even before that. So it had that First Nations feeling, but then also had that very primal, we were here first, we, and it's very different cause when I connect him with the elemental energy, it has a more, it's not as, heavy for a lack of better word. Like it's not as, Here's your responsibility. It's like, Hey, you know, like if you connect with the energy of the wind and the elements, they're very, flighty for like a better word, they're very, energetic and playful and they just want to engage with you even water. Water can be like that and fire fire salamander, it's very, very playful and the gnomes are very cheeky and fairies. If anyone's played with fairies, it's just like, they're just cheeky. And if you don't keep honoring them, if you started honoring them, they will make sure that things go missing. right, okay, Yeah. So, yeah, so it had that, deeper kind of energy because I have worked with some clients where they've had first nations people come up because of where their land is and things like that. And it almost feels older than that. mm hmm, okay, yeah, interesting, interesting. And the mentor, spiritual mentor that you have that came with you, is that a First Nations person or no? No, and we just both have this very, deep connection with the land. And I feel it's almost our souls have been, shamans and worked with the land before. Like, we just feel very pulled to it. And it's funny because I went on A medicine walk with a First Nations person and people kept asking me if I was First Nations and I said, no, I just have this deep connection with the land and I get what they're preserving and I get the energy that comes through because once you connect in, you realize we're all part of nature and we're all connected to nature and it's really, there's no difference of what your background is. If you have that connection, you're, you're, you're connected almost indoctrinated into the energy of it. Interesting. The only reason that I was, asking these questions is because obviously we're in Australia. So somebody from overseas is going to say, well, you know, Oh, I had a comment the other day, Australians are very spiritual people, and that was a podcaster's experience. And so I was like, so for somebody who's, majority of people listening to this podcast are Americans, so were probably wanting to know and understand, spirituality in Australia, what does it mean and does, is there these delineations and, pockets that belong to the energy of the land and what you've said is no, don't identify it as any one particular thing or any one past life, it just seems to be part of what my environment soul is interested in. Would that be a good description? Yeah, exactly. And it's how we choose to connect. And I feel a lot of us, when you were saying like the Australian seem to have a spirituality thing, I think it depends where you go. Right. And it's funny because we often get pulled to other people who are like us and then we end up in those communities, but then at the same time you get both sides because you need the balance, but, there's so much science evidence now coming out to back up all this connection with nature. In the Japanese, they've got the Japanese culture. They actually have a practice where the doctors prescribe forest bathing, where you go out into the forest and you let nature heal you. The, the evidence from science is starting to catch up with that. And even grounding finally, finally, people are like, Oh, it actually does all this great stuff for your body. I'm like, yeah, it does, that just comes from, us having that intuition and that inner wisdom too. A feeling like, Hey, we need to connect with nature for some reason, and not even knowing why, you know, and it's very rare you'll meet somebody that will see a big, magnificent tree and not be in awe of it.. interestingly, a point about grounding because,, I do think Aussies wear shoes less than other people in the world. Yeah, we do. I think lockdown and COVID for example, was a really great example of when, so I live in a townhouse and I had just purchased it before lockdown and there's no grass. It's a paved courtyard and I was like having to go outside of my fence and stand on the grass on the nature strip ground because I was like, I need some grass under my feet to let go of some of this energy. I'm not sure I look, I've had clients and they're like, no, I wear shoes all day, every day. And I'm like, get your shoes off, get your shoes off. Agreed. And especially for children, it's so important. Like we don't realize how much all the energy that we're exposed to all the time actually impacts children. And one of the first things even when I was working in my allied health role is that, I would say to parents actually let them take their shoes off and go run on the backyard barefoot. And they're like, Oh, but the grass is wet. I'm like, that's even better. It's even, even bigger conduit. I said, just have a towel ready for when they come back in, like they need to go barefoot. And there's been so much thing coming out to showing that shoes actually changed the structure of our feet and aren't actually good for us. Like there's so much coming out now. And that's why people are heading back to, those barefoot shoes and, and all those new things coming out. But it's that connection that, especially for children, not just us, but for children that pulls them back into their body and stops all the interference from TV, from wifi, from computers, from phones, from everything else that's happening around us. And even the energy that's, emitted off other people. So by grounding, you're actually just saying to the earth, all right, I've got this. So even if you imagine your head's magnetic north and your feet are magnetic south, and then the earth is magnetic north. So when you sit on that, you're automatically creating a new circuit and you're clearing everything in your field, which is so important. yeah, yeah, and I mean, I just had flashbacks when you were talking about, being a kid and we used to live in this house on the top of a hill and my mother must have gone insane with all the grass stains from us rolling down the hill for fun, , which you just don't see kids. It's rolling down the grass anymore because, they've got to stay clean and they've got labeled this and that. And I was like, no, they need to get filthy dirty. They need to have mud up their nostrils and grass in their ears and be itchy as heck. And all the bindi stuck in their foot. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, which brings us to trees because , growing up in the seventies and eighties my dream, which didn't come true, but my next door neighbours had one, was to have a treehouse, kids used to climb trees a lot more and break a lot more arms and do ridiculous things trying to get into a tree. So, if you can break it down. However, you'd like this discussion to go, where do we start with understanding trees? the wisdom that's contained within and the knowledge that they can give us so that we can basically interact with the magic of trees. How do you even start on that topic? It's actually easier than you think. So the biggest thing is to be like quite open and vulnerable and actually ask for permission and you will feel it, I know it sounds really weird, but you will just feel like a no or a yes. Even if you can't hear it, you can't see it. You'll just kind of feel, you know, it's like when you go into a room and you feel welcomed. Or you don't feel welcomed. It's that sort of energy. So when you're approaching a tree or feel pulled to a tree, it's like, can I have permission to connect with you? And that opens up a level of respect on both sides. Also, you're asking permission to be in their field and they're accepting you or not into theirs. So it's like that. You know, being really open with that, and then there's two ways you can connect. So if you want to do a really simple way is you can just sit and lean with your back against the trunk of the tree. And what that does is the energy from the tree will actually clear your chakras. So it'll actually clear the energy field and rebalance you really quickly. And there's nothing that you really need to do other than that. The other way. Yeah. And it's funny because I was talking to someone about this topic and she said that she just found this tree and she was overseas somewhere and she lent back against this tree and she could feel the energy running up and down her spine. But then. The tree actually, she almost heard it say, I'm going to give you a healing. And she actually fell asleep. And when she woke up, her body stopped hurting. So this beautiful tree shared that energy with her. And all she went in was like, I just want to connect with you. And just went in with that intention. So that's one way that you can connect the other ways through the roots. So we often think that the trunk holds all the energy of the tree. But it's not all the wisdom and the energy actually comes from the roots of the tree, because that way is where it sinks down into, to earth and can connect to mother earth. So, for those of you who don't know, there's many, many, many, many, many energy grids running through the world and through under this planet. And they're called lay lines or song lines or, energy lines or whatever term kind of resonates with you with that. And these trees are all connected into that network so they can all share wisdom with each other. But what I've found through collecting people's tree stories and things like that is whatever wisdom and healing shared is unique for you. So I could connect with the tree. And then my mentor could connect with the tree and I could feel it more in my third eye or my crown and she felt it more in her heart because that's where she needed at the time. So it really reflects on what you need and the wisdom that comes through is often it might just be a word, it might be guidance, you might be shown or for Feel something like I was saying, when I connected with the heart tree, it showed me the shadows that I needed to work through. And it depends how you face that too right? So some people would be like, Oh, I'm not going there. I'm not touching that again. Whereas I'm like, Oh no, thank you. I needed to work on that. You know, appreciate that. So it depends what intention you go in with. And once you're connected in with the roots for me, when I connect, I kind of get shown the life of the tree. So it's almost like a those nature documentaries, you know, where it's on fast forward. So I get that and sometimes it can be really crazy, especially where I live. There's been lots of fires. So the fires get played through and then you can see how they survived. And then when you get through that to understand where the trees come from then you get the wisdom come through, or then you get the energy come through, or then you get the healing come through. And it really depends what you need and what the tree feels that you need as well, because it is a relationship. And then all of a sudden you'll just start to hear like, or feel pulled to trees or plants or that sort of thing. Because once you open yourself up to that connection and into that network, it's just like you're saying, okay, I'm ready to listen to nature again and ready to reestablish that I am from here and I am part of it, you know, it's really important moving forward with that regard. Interesting. And just to come back to your comment about the, trees, , clearing the chakras, that makes sense to me because, I've always loved looking at. pictures and, posts of people hugging trees, but I've never felt compelled to do more than put a hand on a tree and then, go, yeah, no, nothing. But about a month ago, maybe two months ago now, I was on my walk and there were some really beautiful trees on, on my walk. It's, down through, It's now a forced waterway, but it was originally, an Aboriginal First Nations corroboree,, site and, it was a waterway with special significance for them and anyway, there's this one tree and I thought, I'd been for a big walk and I was feeling a bit exhausted, but it was sort of on a bit of a hill. And I was like, Okay, I hope nobody's looking but I'm just gonna give this tree a really big hug I did and I just went Like I almost cried because it's like this massive relief as all this energy just came out of me and I was like Okay, so that works. That was very cool. Thank you. But I was like, yeah, that was like my first belief in the in the fact that they're Like I knew at a, at a conceptual level that there was benefits and you know that people do hug trees, but I'd never been called to it, but this particular one tree, it was just like, wow, that was great I feel so much better now. Yeah. And I, didn't think of it as chakra clearing at the time, yeah. And I think it's pulling yourself to, like you said, Katische, out of your head. So you stop trying to put a logical point of view to it and rather just feel it because it's when we are in that feeling that we can truly feel nature and be in touch with nature that we are more open to what comes through rather than trying to, So I'm going to explain it away with logic or think, Oh, they're a crazy tree hugger or whatever it might be. Right. Instead, it's like, yeah, okay. And then I read this story the other week and this person was, if I read it or someone, I don't know if I read it or someone told me, I don't know. It could be either way. Anyway. And this person was walking along and they were going for a bushwalk and they saw someone hugging a tree. And they actually stopped and went, no, I'm going to hug a tree too. So then they started hugging a tree and apparently it created this chain reaction and everyone was coming and hugging these trees. I was like, how beautiful to see that. And they were all just like, Oh, these beautiful trees. And if anyone's been to, Yosemite and those. Big, big, big, massive trees there. Or being to the redwood forest, the energy is so different. Like you just feel, wow. Like these trees have so much wisdom to share and they've, and especially the older the tree, the more that they have seen and the more they have to share with the world. My, my favorite, essential oils have always been like cedarwood, frankincense, know, all the woods. Like fur. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, it, it's interesting. Sorry. I've just got really, really hot, which, usually for me means that there's some present life, wisdom. That's part of, yeah, coming through, you know, Mm-hmm just start dripping. And also one of the other questions I wanted to ask you about, because you said, and we'll get onto this further in the moment, you said you were writing a book about trees and people were sending you in stories of trees. Have you heard? either going to have heard of this a lot or, or maybe not so much. So one of the things that I do is I'm a ghost rescue medium. And which is part of, , important work that I had to do to karma for my own soul. From incarnations, , in the military and things like that. And so my, last few years have been incredibly intense with bringing through, ghosts from, All lifetimes, like Mm-hmm going as far back as you can Multi-generational. Yeah. no, like I'm talking So yeah. of thousands of years. So, anyway, one of the funny situations I had, when I was learning to do it, like originally I, some of the tools, the various, , boxes and apps and things to, to get my confidence before I had my mediumship skills fully sorted. I remember being in a cemetery Always fun yeah, yeah, a lot of cemetery work. And, was talking to a whole bunch of ghosts actually. And they mentioned. That, the tree at the front of my house was a portal, that was involved in connecting me directly with bringing through the ghost. So ghosts can come through your Accord, you , but it was interesting because I always knew because my cat see ghosts. And so I was going through this huge initiation, he would, at dawn, Sunset just stood at the front of our gate because we live opposite a hospital as well. Meowing non You were just, you were just setting you up for, I'm, I'm open all the time, right? Yeah. yeah. It was an initiation by fire, I tell you., because I couldn't cross over before I moved and bought a house in front of my townhouse. I'd never even thought about it. And so suddenly he would sit there meowing so initially I was like, well, they're coming from the hospital. And then I was like, oh no, some of them are coming from my clients because I've passed life regression some of them are due to me. And then I was like. I have this theory that this tree, which is beautiful in front of a house, is also part of it because, I just had this feeling and then you were not had this confirmation by this actual app where the ghost says your tree at the front of your house is a portal. I was like, well, yeah, Yeah, well, I guess that's the whole thing with trees, right? So, you know, First Nations people and a lot of shamans, they'll say that there's the grandfather and their grandmother of the tree and that sort of thing. So we actually had, yeah, I was like, do I share this story? I said, yes. Okay. So I had, we had this break and lay line on our property. And that was part of why we got pulled here in the first place, because we were sent to, to repair this lay line and this big, beautiful grandfather tree, like a big eucalypt. It was clearly dormant. I wouldn't say dead because it was still, there's still energy in there, but the, it was almost like the soul was trapped right in the tree because of how sudden land, it ended. But what I've learned doing this work is that a grandfather tree cannot leave the land or a grandmother tree cannot leave the land without passing its crown on because it needs someone else to take on the responsibility of looking after the energy. So that's why this energy was still trapped in this tree. And then the ley line itself was broken and disrupted because of this energy that had been stuck. And all the trees started to, they twist normally when they're on a ley line, but they were also all dead. It was so interesting to see when I could see the line. It was just like this line, as far as you could see, of twisted trees, all dead in a row. And so when we had to release that soul, I actually opened up a portal to help the soul of the tree go on. But we also, at the same time, when I say we, my husband was doing Reiki on the tree, to help give it that boost of energy to let the soul And we had to move the crown at the same time to the heart tree, the one I was talking about earlier, because that was the one that was planned to take it over. So in that respect, all trees have these souls. So why not could that, if there's a mass, I almost can see if there's not a mass exodus of trees or even like a ton of trees taken quickly or really quick, why could a portal not open there? The same as if there's that disruption of energy that tends to be where the portals tend to open. So definitely the tree could act as a gateway. And then if you take it further into that, shamanism, the tree of life is a portal in itself, right? So you've got the tree of life and you can enter it and then be portaled forward into your future or portaled forward backwards into your past or taken wherever you need to go to the, that underworld where you can connect more with animals or whatever it might be. that to me just makes sense why that would be, and probably why you bought the house where you bought it, because that, yeah, it was a lining for you to step into your path. yeah, yeah. And that is very interesting because, so I bought, a townhouse, but there was just five when I bought it here and it was on a block, which. I knew at the time that I purchased was going to be developed as part of the greater development. So there's another 26 behind us now. It took me, quite a few years. to realize that there was a First Nations man stuck here. And so, I helped him and he's become a guide of mine to understand nature. But my question was, when you're talking about these trees needing to, , move on and pass the crown. So, And this must be for anybody with, that are clearing a block. If you, you live on a block, right, which has had a substantial amount of trees cleared before you purchased your house or townhouse or unit or whatever it is, what would an aware person do to, make sure that the energy of those trees has moved on so there's not, you know, issues with that stuck energy, do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, because it's like a graveyard, essentially. It is the same energy as a graveyard, especially if they're taken really quickly and really, , this actually happened down at, Carrington Falls, which is a place down south and it's a very sacred area to the First Nations people. And we were doing this medicine walk and, There, all these trees had just been taken and I just started crying and I said, can I have permission, because it wasn't my land, can I have permission to clear them? And they're like, go for it, because it was just all these, like, souls stuck. It's like if an animal passes or even a person passes , it was all just stuck there. So if you were going onto a block and you feel there's been a lot of, trees cleared, whether you can see it visibly or you just feel like, hmm, something's in balance here, I guess you would just, The image I'm getting is you would just sit in the middle of the land and close your eyes and put your hands on the earth and just let to see what happens. And if you feel to you can always open up a portal and the intention behind opening a portal because opening portals can always be a bit precarious. Yeah, but the intention is you're opening a portal to God, you're opening a portal. So it's like a white light portal and then you send those souls back and you just leave it open and they'll just happily go. They, they're really easy to move on unless they're angry. It's exactly the same as working with spirits, unless they're angry and they have a message that they want to get through. But then also you can make a deal with the land because often if you don't, there'll be a disharmony. And it's funny because the first house I built, I always used to joke and say it was cursed and there was bad luck. And I didn't, wasn't. It's very spiritual at that point. I was very intuitive, but like it would follow my gut instincts, but I didn't have that spiritual awareness and to the point that, when I was building, like all these things happened to delay it or things, weird things would happen. And even we were putting in a pool, so you can imagine we're digging in down layers by that point. And. The guy knocked over, open a drain, the backyard flooded, like we didn't get the deck finished when we were meant to like, all these things just kept happening. And the guy actually said to me, no, I actually think your house is cursed. And then we couldn't sell the place because the land wouldn't let go of us. And it was only when I sat with the land and could see that there was actually an angry elder, because I was like, I just. Honored it. And I just felt to honor the land. So this is what people can do. They can honor the land in some way. So it might be, you leave an offering of rocks or you leave an offering of a plant or sometimes you might feel to bake cookies or whatever, just trust what comes through and you honor the land. And that will help you to release that energy that's holding it there, but also develop that respect saying, I know this happened to you. I'm sorry, this happened to you. It wasn't my fault. It wasn't me, but I would like to build a hat place here and I want to replace. Some of the nature, if you can, replace it with birds, sorry, plants or trees or whatever capacity you can do that and really have that agreement with nature. And then often it will reciprocate that with you too. Okay. So it's quite like, very similar to working with a house spirit, for A hundred percent. It is, it's almost exactly the same cause I sometimes have spirits show up too. And I'm like, Oh, hello, why are you here? Yep. Exactly. cool. Yeah, because I do clearings for houses and I did clear this whole property before everybody moved in because I was like, I've got a responsibility and I found a lot of stuff here. And, , the Aboriginal man, , First Nations man, he was, his life was sacrificed here as, part of, a tribal system. And , he, as he says to me, I know I deserved what I got, but I lost my life for it. But as you know, that, and it leaks the energy of blood and stuff into the land and trauma and you get all the negative entities and everything. But, , didn't, all the different things that I was doing, I didn't do trees As part of it, I didn't consider them as a, as a soul. So that's a really interesting insight for me. Yeah. that would probably link to our plumbing problems that the whole block has. Yeah. And the, Oh, that was a big thing. Um, Oh, wow. Even the, they don't want me to say that. Oh, sorry. Um, Even the roots underneath, because the energy of that would still be there. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's pretty, that's what I mean. It's a pretty strong. Whatever's running through your plumbing. My goodness. Oh, well on top of quartz and then so there was that would be holding the energy a hundred percent. Yeah. trees and then quartz, because around the corner is an old quarry. So you can see the. The image. And so, yes, I've had, , it's not substantial, the laundry overflows. And then when we were away, thankfully, Sonya had nothing to do with me when we were away they had major sewage issues because one of the new house owners flushed nappies down the toilet. hello., but I was like, , this is one of the first people on this land, so if I can work with the trees, and you felt it. What about, okay, so sorry, I know this is like a troubleshooting session here, but I think people can learn from this. So the quartz, the rock, right, Um, you've got very strongly there that it's holding stuff as well. Can you tell me how that works with rocks, and the rocks have, I mean, yeah, Okay. Rocks have energy and a soul to them too. So we have a rock out the front of our house, called Harvey, his name's Harvey. And he's it looks like he has three snake heads, which I found really interesting in itself, but it's very protective energy, but you can actually do the same thing and tune into the energy of the rocks. And, depending on the trauma that it's gone through to, it will share different insights as you as well. So it still has an energy too. so our neighbor around the corner, he actually dug into the rock to build his house because it was like right on the top of a sandstone plateau. And he was digging into it, digging into it really far. And I went for a bushwalk and I looked up and then I just heard, he has to honor us. You know, like he's like, he's, he's taking the rocks away, but he's not honoring it. And I, and I had to go over there and I barely know this man. And I said, Hey, You know, I kind of do this stuff with nature and I'm just getting that you really need to honor the rocks. He goes, I'm open to that. What do I need to do? And I was like, all right, we'll just get some of the rocks that you cut up and actually make a really nice tribute. And then that's honoring the rocks of the land and really being honoring to that energy that you've disrupted. Because rocks, because they're so connected, especially if they're like under the ground and things like that, you never fully take away the whole energy, but you're still taking away parts of it. It's like, you're cutting off an arm kind of thing. So, if you're honoring that and really being again, talking to the land and being gentle with it, then it's more accepting of it and you're not going to have many problems because that's what I got told. It's like, if he doesn't honor us, we'll make his life really difficult. And , rocks are very hard energy. So if you're not, if you're disrupting rock energy, it's going to push back in, in catastrophic ways normally, because it is so big. And so that's why you get rock slides when, , the land's been disrupted so much. And that's why you get, The rocks falling in random places, so it's really about again tapping into that energy and being aware of that and then rocks itself, they can be so grounding and just so I often just sit on a rock to meditate and things like that because it just seems to anchor you when you're going up into the ether and you want to. Yeah. Yeah, And there's no signs of rocks here anywhere because everything's been concreted over. But yeah, that's really interesting because, one of the things, last year I went through this. process where all of my third eye just blew open and I could see multiple timelines at once. And it was just, Oh my God, it was it's always fun when that happens. It's like, oh, the quantum realm. Yeah. had this, , reoccurring sensation, that we could blow on this site, like literally like., the quartz igniting and just going, um, so that's interesting. So, cause, yeah, cause what I feel from that reaction that you had was like, the rocks are angry. Yeah, and especially quartz and any crystal. Well, any, any rock is a form of a crystal. You know, even sandstone is a type of a crystal, right? Because. This, because of how they're created and have that pressure and that sort of thing, especially quartz, quartz takes on everything, you know, like it Oh gosh, I the energy so much. And it has that, oh, I can't think of the word, but where it actually can create electricity. So you're. You know, your insight into, there's a possible timeline where we blow up. Well, yeah, if there's enough stress and charge going through that quartz, it is going to cause a reaction, which can cause an electric spark, which, and then, you know, especially if you've got gas around and things, it's just going to go boom, boom, boom, boom, you know? So pipeline. yeah. Yeah. So there you go. Yeah. Yeah. we're, we're. The hospital that was built across the road from us. so the only reason that I'm talking about all this sort of stuff as well as people are quite aware of my own own journey through the podcast. And so the hospital across the road for us was built in World War One, right? Yeah. was, And World War II, it's a, it's a military hospital. And so from what I can see from the pictures, because I've crossed a lot of ghosts over from the hospital, but what I can see where my house would be was originally an original house. But before that would have been all the makeshift camps I just heard infirmary. Yeah. all the military prison of wars. And I've always felt like maybe the bodies were disposed down in the stream for the Prisoner of war, because I've always felt like this dirty energy in the creek down below and I was like It's not enough. You don't go down there. Like there's a big fence and everything but I was like, I bet you one day There's a bone all flowed up from a Japanese prisoner of war or something. Um, and I was just like When you said the rock holds the anger, then I was like, well, then yeah, that soldiers were angry when they came back from war and so they were being, um, either, you know, Tortured. tortured, whatever you want to say, and I've always felt tortured. But, you know, that's not in the government's official history. No, no, we don't talk about that. but I've always had this thing of I'm sure there are prisoners of war right in this site. And, um, but I've never tapped in or found. The energy of a Japanese POW, but it makes sense that it could be in the rocks. So that's really insightful. We've got from trees to rocks, to prisoner of wars, to torture. And I'm I know. knew this, but I needed somebody else with more skills to confirm that because clearly, uh, I've also felt like. was a little bit trapped in this house, meaning that my future wouldn't open up because I want to have a house with grass and trees and land that my future income stream wouldn't open up until I had done some kind of responsibility towards healing this land. And so you've given me some interesting food for thought there because that would be like, yeah, you're, you have to heal it. You're the only one on the block that can heal it. And you've got to some kind of responsibility there. So that's, I had, I had two things come up there and it said, the first thing was, don't think that the prisoners that were torturing were always from overseas because this actually happened in my family where my grandfather was dubbed in for being an alien, you know, from Italy. Because the neighbor was jealous that he was, had better tomatoes than him. Right. And he got shipped off, shipped off to an internment camp in South Australia. No one knows really what happened there, but I think my mom said she's going to turn it into a book, but he actually, at the end of the war, he had to walk back home to Broken Hill. So if anyone's listening to this, this is like. I don't even know how many thousands of kilometers, but he had to hitchhike. And at the meantime, my grandmother and her young son, at that point, we're left running the farm or to themselves, not knowing what happened, couldn't get in contact, you know, blah, blah, blah. So there was all these kind of other things happening underneath. So even go deeper into what, you know, there's almost an injustice energy there that I'm hearing. yeah. and then the other part is that, um, with your vision of what you want. You need to ask your current vision, what do we need to do to let go, Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. because it's only then that you can see the contracts that are tying you to the land now and how they can be ended or severed, if that's so your path moving forward, that then you can move to that next step. So it was for me, it was once we healed that ley line and the broken ley line. It was like I had no, because my vision expanded, so I went from doing something small to something quite on a global scale. And once I tapped into that, then I had this big pull to go heal the ley line and my husband was ready at that point too, like with his energy work. And then we went over there and once we released that, I was like, I'm not meant to be here anymore. So then we're following this pool to sell our house now and move somewhere else. And even I went for a walk the other day and the, cause I was taking a photo of a couple of the trees that had been really significant for my tree book. And the, um, the land just kept saying. You're not welcome here anymore. You need to go. You actually need to go. We're pushing you out. You need to go. Like, it's such a big pull and, you know, we've been talking about it and how quickly this house was, I said, energetically, we, we are, we are getting pushed out. I said, we need to go somewhere else and do healing somewhere else. So a bit like how you got pulled to, to buy that townhouse that you're on. And then it opened up a whole can of worms and Which is great, because you had to go through that so your soul could expand, but at the same time you just look back and go, whoa! Oh, yeah. What was I thinking? Yeah. Exactly, exactly. yeah, you know, I had to. But yeah, interesting. Very interesting. And yeah, I didn't realize that they would torture our own. There's, there's, there's so much in history that, because history's always written from the victim. A perspective, right? So we often miss both sides or what really happened. And I find a lot when you're, intuitive or you work a lot as a medium or things like that, the truth comes out and it's almost like you can't even talk about it because no one's going to believe you because the history has been so changed and tainted. Whereas when you talk to other people who have been through, connected with the same energy and they, we all have the same story. Well then it's like, oh, okay. Great, , I'm not exactly crazy, but again, you just don't talk about it. Like, it's just this kind of like, yeah, it happened, but at some point I feel the truth will just bubble out because that's what happened. Like you said, a bone might pop out of the river, , so yeah, and that's. had that kind of a feeling. I don't know why, but it was just like, yeah. Yeah. And even, as, , the energy of mother earth and the earth is increasing, as it shakes more out, I don't know if you found, but more and more spirits are being shaken out too, because they're not meant to be here anymore and they need to be cleared. And it's almost like as mediums or spirit workers or however you want to identify yourself, it's actually our obligation to help them move on as quick as they can. And. And that biggest thing comes from animals and trees as well because their spirits can still be trapped as well, depending on how they were taken. So even though we're doing this big back burning down near where I live and I was driving home and I saw the back burning and I'm like, Oh, and I just opened this big portal for the trees to move through and not to mention the insects and the ants and all the bugs that get discounted and everything else. Because it's when that energy stays trapped that the frequency starts to drop again. So it's like this big deal, it's this big deal, but it's this big obligation that we have, that we have to help these spirits move on in whatever capacity, , whether it's nature, whether it's animals, whether it's humans, however that comes through. Fascinating. Very interesting. Thank you., No pressure. no, it's good because it's just a confirmation of, a lot of, because, I have a traditional, it's not a traditional business, but I have a business, which is, Hypnotherapy, past life regression therapy. I do starseed work. I do, all sorts of different soul based work. And then on the side, I'm just this fascination drawn to nature and I kept doing and going to places in nature and videoing and photographing and, doing all sorts of stuff. And I'm, there's one part of my brain that goes. has got nothing to do with your business. Could you please stop it? You're Oh, but it does. oh, but it does because, we're just not brought up to think about these things, are we? When we're told, what impacts your business? Well, it's your marketing strategy and I have a master's in marketing. Okay, but that's not working. Okay. It's all right. Have you got attachments? Have you got karma? Right. Okay. Have you cleared the ghost? Yes. Have you talked to your house spirit? Yes. you consider the rocks or the trees? No. Okay. Did you consider the history of this site? No, I just bought the bloody place, like it's a continual education. And I think that's, I don't know how to phrase this, but I think also, in this lifetime, I come from a Yugoslavian and German family on one side and then a British Scottish family on the other side. So I would consider myselfEuropean settler, Australian. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. watching other countries, I have become a bit scared about delving into certain areas that certain cultural groups have then called misappropriation. And there's part of me that goes. No, it's not misappropriation. I understand what you mean, and I do respect that. But this is also human knowledge. And I feel like I Agreed. learn some of that, but I'm afraid to be judged for that whole, how dare you? Yeah. Do you know mean? I've gone through this too, because I really would love to meet a First Nations people who can walk me through land and show me what I can eat and how I can respect the trees and what the trees are used for. And I kind of did that on this beautiful walk I went to where I was mentioning where the trees had been cut and, it was like the tree graveyard, but at the same time, there's still this protective element because of everything that happened in the history. And I guess it's comes down to what that nudge is from spirit on who is privy to that knowledge and who's not, and that person that has that knowledge being willing and open to share it. So it's stepping through the fear as well, and that itself is its own initiation. Like, hey, I feel really pulled to, share this with Katische or I feel really pulled to share this with Catherine. I don't know why yet, and my tribe or my area might be really cranky that I have, but I just have this pertinent need that I need to share it. So it's , through that and taking that spiritual responsibility that will allow this knowledge to be passed on. And if you don't pass it on someone else will get it. And that's what I've learned so much with a spiritual business. If you get, especially writing my books, if I didn't write, so I just finished a book, it's with an editor on spiritual ethics. If I didn't put that book into writing, someone else would have got it. Because that's if the universe wants it out, they will give that information to somebody else that's going to act on it. So if you get that intuitive hit, you need to act on it like right here, right now, not put it in a drawer because it won't be there for you in the next moment. And the same with this tree energy and even how this book has kind of evolved. And I was telling you before we started recording was that, I just thought, Oh, this will be a really quick book. I've got this, like I've got insane that I've got multiple journals. I didn't even realize it was just a journal fell at my feet the other day. Right. And I opened up and I opened it up and I was like, Oh, there's more tree stuff in here, so I've got multiple journals, which I'm trying to collate, which is making it difficult. Plus things coming through from spirit. And then a friend, shared on her Instagram story, this forest of trees. And I wrote to her, those trees have a story to tell. And she wrote back and she said, tell me, and I went, Oh, can I do that? And then all of a sudden I got this story about these trees and then this whole idea, I guess, it's like inspiration slash intuition evolved where it's like, no, you're going to get tree pictures from people and you're going to channel the story through. So if that person has permission or feels that they could have photographed as well. Then these stories are going to come through and the stories are so amazing and magical and nothing's the same and they're always for the person because usually the person I , know something about them. Usually the story that comes through is so appropriate for them. Or if I don't know them, I usually get back. How did you know I was going through that when I was with that tree? And I'm like, I didn't. It was just, that was the message that came through. There's so much tree wisdom that's there and this energy behind it. But again, it was following that intuitive hit of, or actually no, there is , more to that. And so all of a sudden this project I thought would be done has now I feel turned into a year long thing where I'm going to go even maybe travel and connect with trees around the world. I don't know how it will look yet, but this is kind of how it. Evolved a bit like I imagine you moving into your townhouse and then, Oh, I'm suddenly medium business. Yeah. Yeah, because I've been writing a book about all the ghosts I've crossed over and 90, 000 words in and I haven't even scratched the first round, like they're like Well, you could write this book for the rest of your life. And I'm like, yeah, I'm at overwhelm Because there's too many to talk about and too Maybe you need it like a series, like part one, part two, part three, because I feel that too, even with the spiritual ethics book, like I feel like it's done for the moment, but there's going to be a second edition. And it's going to be a third edition because it's such a early field of things that are evolving with that. And no one talks about it again. No one talks about, no one talks about,, I went to this tarot reader and they told me information, which I thought would be true and it wasn't true, which actually changed the trajectory of my life kind of thing, and I'm not picking on tarot readers because there are some brilliant tarot readers, but that's just the one that genuinely comes through. Or I had an experience where I went to a body worker who did crystal grid things and stuff like that. And I left feeling like my energy had been. stolen and I was really not, yeah, and I really wasn't okay with that. And that caused me to dive further into, and actually started the ball rolling with getting this information channeled through about, Hey, actually there needs to be a guideline and a set of, , I call them pillars and foundations and things that we kind of need to hold to a standard. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Alright, well I'm very conscious of the fact that it's on the hour, so that went very fast and I think I could chat with you for like seven books worth of discussions on trees. But keep us in the loop with how you're going with the tree project and do you, would you like people who are listening to the podcast to contact you about their tree stories or how are you Uh, to overwhelm you No, I would love that as many like if it's meant to be, if I meant to hear the story, it'll come through. So I haven't had one yet where it just said no. I have personally had trees say no to me and that's fine too. But if they want to go. To check me out on Instagram. So willow healing S H and then you can go into my link tree and all the links are there. So if you want to submit a tree photo in a story you can, and then if, your tree is, , chosen, then I will email you this tree story. And also you can choose if you want to be dedicated in the book too, for contributing, which is really beautiful. Perfect. Well, thank you so much for coming on the podcast today. That was really an enlightening discussion. I've got a lot of work to do, so I will say Namaste and we'll talk again soon. Katish. Thank you. You're welcome.