Why Harry’s mum didn’t visit his grave | Afterlife Channeling

Harry wanted to know what happened to his mum. So we went on a quest to find out the answers. Along the way, we found his other brothers and sisters, and found some other friends who needed helping to the light. It has been an eye-opening, heart expanding adventure.

This episode finalises our adventures with Harry and his family. We send them all love and bless their souls, their hearts and tell them, Namaste, it has been a privilege working with you.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to The Infinite Life with Katish Hammerfield. I'd like to take you on a transformative journey, exploring the mysteries of the soul. I hope you enjoy the regression case studies, mediumship interviews, and fascinating discussions that I've had with guests on the podcast. I hope that these answer some of the questions that you might have about life on this planet, on others, and in other dimensions. Thank you for joining me, and please don't forget to like and subscribe. And most importantly, share with your friends. Namaste.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

Hi, this is Katish, host of the Infinite Life with Katish Haberfeld podcast. Today I am going to attempt to combine a number of difficult things together. We're talking about the life of Harry's mother, Doris. And Doris was married a number of times. And the reason that I'm doing this episode is, well, everyone, including myself, and most particularly myself, has been wondering why was Harry sitting at his grave that day with the other little boy waiting for his mum? And why didn't Harry come? What sorry, why didn't Harry's mum come to the grave? Why couldn't he see her? Was it neglect? Did she move away? Did she kill herself? Like, what's the story? And I think I've like almost pulled my brains inside out trying to figure this out. And the answer is both complicated and simple. And to start with, what I want to tell you is I'm going to do two things. I'm going to explain to you how I tried to solve this mystery because it's an unsolvable mystery. And I'm going to then give you two different aspects. And in the end, you can decide for yourself because it's none of our stories, it's her soul story. So we can only ever understand through the lens of our own filters and perceptions. All I know is that I was sent to find a little boy at a grave, and I crossed him over and a number of other people that day. And I have grappled with how to be ethical and how to share this information, how to bring out the learnings of this. And to that extent, it became a form of sabotage because I couldn't write the ghost books because I couldn't finish this story. So some of it you may find boring, but I just have to get it out if you'll excuse me. And this will be a long podcast episode. But heck, Jay Shetty just interviewed Madonna for two and a half hours. So I think I can talk to you about Harry for the same amount of time. I'm not sure how long it'll be, but let's go. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to preface and tell you a little bit about trying to figure out who Doris Carter was. Now, Harry is Harry Troy, but his mother is Doris, and her name was, I assumed, Doris Troy. But in essence, she was born under the name Carter. And I couldn't find her at the cemetery where Harry was, which is probably what started this investigation. It's like, where's Harry's mum? Why isn't she in the grave next to him? And I also went back, as you've heard in a previous episode, and found Adoris Carter. And I'm like, but that doesn't make sense. She was young, and it's the wrong parents. And I even opened up an ancestry account to try and figure it out. I made content. I made contact with Harry's big sister's daughter. And confusingly, Harry's big sister's name was also Doris. But unfortunately, she was deceased also. And Harry's big sister's daughter also lives a long way away from me. So we did a little bit of chatting to and fro. And I found out some information about Harry and his sister that they didn't even know. Because life's complicated. And because Harry's mum remarried after she had Harry. So by the time she died, she was married to somebody else completely differently. So Harry's daughter's sorry. Harry's sister's daughter was actually Harry's sister's daughter-in-law. So, you know, and she'd been remarried. So it's it's a convoluted story. Just as when I die, mine will be a convoluted story, and yours will be a convoluted story. But this is what happens, and so um mediumship also can be a lot of energies coming in at once, and it's very hard to filter them. So I'm going to open my Google Doc now and read to you some of the things that I found out whilst trying to understand who Doris was. And why did I even care about who Doris was? Well, because it was Harry's mum. And why did I care about Harry's? Well, because I know Harry's soul from a life where I tried to save him and he died. And that was in a civilization which I called ancient Mesopotamia, but it was so far ago and so long ago, and the river looked like the river Ganges. And I'm not a historian, but it didn't even un didn't even make sense to me. But I know that what how Harry's soul in that avatar died. I put it on the podcast. I went into a very, very, very deep past life regression. We found out. I even heard my own voice, which is very Indian and very male. So I'm 100% connected to Harry. And what I learned was that in that lifetime I was the equivalent of a Brahmin. And I was very, very angry at Hinduism. Um, and it showed me some of the anger that I felt towards organized religion and towards the way the human mind develops its own sets of insistencies about learning information. So, why was I so interested if my soul knew Harry? And the answer is because Harry wanted to know what happened to his mother. And in order to find out what happened to his mother, he had to find where his siblings were. For they each had a trace of knowledge, but they were all still at their grave as well. And so there was this elaborate rescue system where Harry sent me on missions to find his siblings, and I did, I crossed them all over. And each one has been a piece of a puzzle, and I thought that they might fit together neatly, but they don't. But anyway, back to my story about Harry's mother. So Harry's mother is also a difficult story because she was adopted. And unless you have the original documentation and the knowledge of the birth mother, even Harry's mother's birth is shrouded in mystery. I do know that Harry's mother died in 1972 at the Redlands convalescent home in Wellington Point, Queensland, of uterine cancer. I keep forgetting to go and visit her plaque at the Mount Thompson crematorium because I don't even know whether they took the ashes home and who has those ashes. It's really none of my business. But as you know from some of the other people, I have been to find their graves and left a marker of my respect. Sometimes there's no grave, they're buried in unmarked graves, and sometimes people take home the ashes in an urn and put it on the shelf. But if I can tell you a little bit, Doris, when she was adopted, her name became Carter, right? And her first husband was William Albert Lindsay. Okay, so she became Doris Lindsay. And that was on the 26th of July 1924. He died in 1976. But they divorced in 1927 on accounts of adultery with a fellow named Gordon Troy. Okay, who turns out to be Harry's father, but I get ahead of myself. According to the Daily Standard newspaper, the judge exclaimed that getting a divorce was too easy. And when served the writ, Doris said, That's alright. I've only been living with Troy four months, and he is good to me. William claimed that they had been had been happily married, but had a roe in 1925. Sorry, a row. In February 1927, William and a friend went to a house in Line Street, Deshen Estate, which doesn't exist anymore, by the way. They walked into a room and he saw his wife in a room with a co-defendant. She was clothed in a nightgown and his sole attire was a tennis shirt. His friend Edward Housen flashed a torch on the defendant and co-defendant. In answer to the judge, the witness said, He did not make any attempt to live with his wife after he had left her. He had written to her twice, but she had not replied. It seems he remarried to a lady named Mary Frances Alwood, who had two children by a previous marriage. So, if you're keeping up, something happened between William and his wife Doris. And his wife Doris said, I've had enough. And she found a new fella and he treated her well. So then William repartnered, and then he had two children because she had children. And in 1935, William had only casual work, and Mary's previous husband was paying alimony. But unfortunately, by 1941, this marriage ended divorced. Initially, William claimed desertion, but the judge found no evidence but granted divorce. Interestingly, there was a child named Dudley Henry Lindsay, born on the 5th of May 1925. He was referenced in the telegraph as being two years old at the time of his parents' divorce. This child died in 2008, and he was known as Doug. So there was a child. But who got the child? Who did they live with? Did they go live with Doris or the dad? I don't know. I did get contacted by Doug and Spirit, who said that an iron was caused that caused a miscarriage. Because he believed that there was a second or a third child that should have been his brothers and sisters, but not to quote him on it. That's very interesting because I've only just realized the connection of that, but I found. That there was a conviction against one of her husbands for stealing an iron, and he went to jail for it. I think I have that article. But anyway, I didn't think it was relevant. Oh okay, so um her second marriage, let's go back to Doris, Harry's mum, her second marriage was to Gordon Kenneth Troy. And that's where she had the bulk of her children. Her third and final marriage was to James Thomas Shaw. And at the time of her daughter's marriage, she was known as Doris Shaw. And she lived in Thornside, which is a beautiful uh wetland suburb of Brisbane. I've been there. Now, when I was trying to get my head around this, I thought, should I go out and see Gordon Kenneth Troy's grave? And I was like, I don't feel like the connection. I don't feel like I should. And it said loving par or something like that, and then listed a whole bunch of family. And here's the thing that in the Queensland, Australia Police Gazette Index of 1881 to 1945, Doris Troy was listed as a person apprehended on page 303. And the offense is 1932, she stole from three stores, including Coles Woolworths and Barry Roberts, and the items were groceries. Again, there were so many Doris Troy's, Doris Carter's, Doris Lindsay's. But it was her husband Gordon who stole the iron. And that would make sense if they were going if he married Doris, who was on the run from her husband William, they had a child already that was not his and he had to look after. They were going through the depression era, there wasn't much money, she was needing to feed her children. Possibly her husband was agitated, aggravated, some domestic violence. She miscarried. And then she had all of the siblings with Harry and her daughter that she named Doris, and all of the other ones who I've used in the other episodes that you've met, Harry's siblings. So she just had misery. She had a miserable life. She found love three times. Two could be categorized as awful at marriages, but there must have been good times. But when she was married her second time, she lost all of her children early. And one sole survivor was named after her, Doris. So the Doris that was left, Harry's sister, she died in nineteen seventy-four of leukemia. And she is buried at Hemet Cemetery. And I could say, well, this person was an iron thief. But were they? How would I know unless I talk to them from the afterlife? And so far they haven't come through. And I share this to you because what comes next is the original mediumship transmission, which hasn't gone live from the podcast with Megan. We didn't include this originally because it was too confusing. And it's taken me what, I think three years to try and figure this out.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

But there's definitely a mother and there's definitely a boy here today. As far as dates go, I will do my best to get dates, but my ego always likes to jump in and tell me that I'm dumb and then I'm not and I'm making it up. So we'll get we'll I'll do the best that I can with dates.

SPEAKER_01 21:29

Learning experience for you. Same with names, you can do it.

SPEAKER_03 21:32

Yes, yes. Okay, so the mom is coming through really strong. So I want to go ahead and talk to her. She is, it does feel like a cemetery connection. She kept showing me a cemetery, but she I also feel like she's visiting someone at a cemetery, too, which is why I thought that she lost a child. I feel like she definitely lost a child and she was at the cemetery. Cemetery and visiting the cemetery a lot. When I ask for dates, I'm getting 1870s. I do feel like she committed suicide. I feel like this was a suicide due to depression and mental illness. Her age, I feel like she is in her 30s. It feels to be lower to mid-30s. And I'm feeling like there was definitely a lot of guilt about her child's death in particular. She carried the weight of this. I do feel like the child drowned. And I also feel like the her partner was absent or gone a lot. I felt like maybe he was a soldier. She keeps showing me like a rock and a cliff, and I'm not sure if she jumped off, but it could be metaphorically. Um, so just keep that in mind. But she does keep showing me that. Specifically, I heard that she was haunted by the ghost of her boy, and that she would hear his laughter.

SPEAKER_02 23:53

Did she say how old the child was when he died? It feels around six or seven.

SPEAKER_03 24:09

Definitely under ten, and I would say no younger than five. But it feels around seven.

SPEAKER_02 24:27

Do you know who this is? Not yet, but that's all right. Like I said, that could be.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

But I also keep hearing Mary as well. And again, I don't know if that's just a Mary that's been trying to contact me because that name's been coming to me a lot, but I did hear both of those names. She keeps taking me to a cemetery, and there's it the way that it's coming to me is there's like this beautiful tree, and there are graves under it, and I feel like one was her and one was him, but I keep seeing her going to the graves and kneeling at the graves, and just also just weeping at his grave, but I do feel like she was eventually there as well.

SPEAKER_02 27:02

See, there's a lot of correlations with Harry's mom.

SPEAKER_03 27:05

I was thinking that's what I was sorry, yeah, that's what I was thinking, and I know you said she had multiple children die. And I feel like the one that she's specifically mourning over isn't Harry. But I do feel like I feel like I guess it could be Harry, but I did feel I did feel like it it could be Harry's mom when I first made the connection. I just didn't want to assume that.

SPEAKER_01 27:43

Yeah, the time frame is wrong, but she did have children a lot time a long time before Harry as well. Harry was there was gaps.

SPEAKER_03 27:57

So maybe it's one of the first children, because I know when we talked to Harry, and this is just what I was feeling, is she was already in that depression. And she when Harry came through, he was talking about how he felt like he had to take care of his mom because she was already ill and she was already had this mental illness. So I do feel like this was morning of a child before Harry.

SPEAKER_02 28:22

Oh, let me just have a second. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 28:44

So she's side by side. What do you know the year that she died?

SPEAKER_02 28:51

I found no right trace of her death.

SPEAKER_01 28:58

I found the uh Harry's dad, but I've never found Harry's mum. I found Harry's mum's birth certificate and marriage certificate. I think that's right, and but I've never found Harry's and she's she like in my very, very rough initial note, she's just disappeared.

SPEAKER_02 29:19

I haven't found her yet.

SPEAKER_01 29:22

That was because I've been working off non-paid records. Do you know what I mean? I've just been doing what's freely and publicly available. So it doesn't mean that she's existed, but what happened is that the problem is that at that time there weren't necessarily headstones, and in Harry's family in particular, they all seem to have been buried without headstones. Harry's the only one with a Harry and his dad are the only ones with marked graves. Like all the other members of Harry's family that I've had to find have been unmarked graves. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 30:07

Yeah. To me, this just feels like the first one that she's specifically talking about, which would make sense because this would be the start of her downward journey.

SPEAKER_02 30:24

Yeah, the catalyst of it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:26

Okay. So without me trying to correlate documents and stuff, let's just go with what she has to tell us about her life and just use our time wisely with her. So, what does she want us to know about herself and purpose of her life? Why she had to experience what she experienced.

SPEAKER_02 30:59

She wants us to know that she was a good mom before all of this happened.

SPEAKER_03 31:08

Yeah, she wants us to know that she loved her children.

SPEAKER_02 31:18

That that was they were her life, and that's all that she ever wanted was to be a mom.

SPEAKER_03 31:37

The death of the first child was just so devastating that she's just she's making me feel like her heart broke, like her heart just broke into a million pieces, and that she couldn't cope and she couldn't put it back together.

SPEAKER_01 32:00

Wait a minute.

SPEAKER_03 32:03

She's making me feel like um she also felt alone because the father wasn't around and he also wasn't understanding. She's making me feel like he blamed her.

SPEAKER_02 32:20

And so did she blamed herself as well. I think our whole family did, right?

SPEAKER_03 32:30

Yeah, she just brought up her sister. She's saying like her sister was the only one that was somewhat supportive, but it was more supportive towards the other children, um, and not so much as her. So she would come in and try to make sure that they were fed and that they were clothed, but after a while she stopped coming as well.

SPEAKER_02 32:56

Okay, yeah. She started drinking very heavily.

SPEAKER_03 33:18

She's showing me a scene of her being very very intoxicated and becoming very, very ill and almost aspirating, is what it feels like to me in that moment of her choking and vomiting. She's making me feel like she woke from that moment to seeing her children watching her, and she almost was able to pull herself out of this depression.

SPEAKER_02 33:53

But then another child died.

SPEAKER_04 34:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 34:05

And after that, she just completely gave up.

SPEAKER_03 34:12

This one feels this child feels a lot younger. This one feels like um maybe two or three. And she's not make she's making me feel like she didn't get any answers for that one.

SPEAKER_02 34:26

Like it was just like he just stopped breathing.

SPEAKER_03 34:34

Like she's she's been making me feel like that one she didn't ever get answers on why there wasn't an accident.

SPEAKER_02 34:46

Yeah, there's a lot of unsurety on that one.

SPEAKER_01 34:53

I just found a note from when I was doing a mediumship training session uh with people. We were just doing swap sessions, and somebody who was related to her came through to let me know. I think it was the father of the real biological of David Douglas Troy, and I've got written down here very sick woman and suicide. So he's obviously that was he was mentioned referring to her then.

SPEAKER_03 35:26

Yes, because she's death, she is making me feel like she that it was suicide, her death.

SPEAKER_02 35:32

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:34

I wrote down suicide to the mom, depressed illness, and then I wrote again mental illness, but she was referring to illness of a child and her mental illness, which is why I wrote it down twice.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

Um this fella that came through the real biological father of David Douglas Troy says that there was somebody else that was around her, so I don't know whether this is her sister who is strict or mean around the kids and may have used witchcraft or spells. Does any of that resonate with her?

SPEAKER_02 36:24

She may not even have been aware.

SPEAKER_03 36:28

Her mom, she's making me feel like her mom was mean and strict and not very nice to the children.

SPEAKER_02 36:36

Okay. The witchcrafter spells.

SPEAKER_03 36:49

I'm seeing like her sister giving her like herbal medicines and stuff.

unknown 36:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:56

But it's in those days that would have been those days that that would have been witchcraft, which is ridiculous. But yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 37:01

Yeah, yeah. It's it I'm not feeling like there was any maliciousness from her sister. But there was maybe there was some, there was definitely some from her what feels to be her mother. It could have been just an older relative, like an aunt, but it feels like it would have been someone who would have been authoritative, someone she would have respected, an elder. So I'm gonna go with mom. They don't feel like they were very close either. It was very a very distant, a very distant relationship as far as emotional connection goes. With the children and the person helping, and that she was so out of it that she just watched it and she didn't do anything to stop it.

SPEAKER_02 38:10

Okay, and why didn't she cross over at the time of the death?

SPEAKER_01 38:13

Was it because of the residue of the alcohol, or was it because she regretted suiciding?

SPEAKER_03 38:29

She's making me feel like the depression stayed with her, and she literally had the will to do nothing. Like she just she felt she's making me feel like she deserved this. She deserved to she wanted to go back to her children, but she felt like she didn't deserve to.

SPEAKER_01 38:54

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:56

We know that when they don't cross over, the emotion that they're feeling prior to death stays with them eternally. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 39:09

Now we learned when we did the crossing over talking to Harry afterwards that the death of all the children was a very specific lesson for her to learn in her lifetime. So now that she has crossed over and she's received healing and guidance, what were her lessons in her lifetime?

SPEAKER_02 39:30

What was this journey about for her? She was definitely on a mission to be tested. She needed to experience to experience this loss of losing a child.

SPEAKER_03 41:06

Especially a loss so tragic. And experiencing things from that lens, the lens of a mother.

SPEAKER_02 41:15

Um yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 41:20

Um now, did sh when you go to the afterlife, when you once you've crossed over, you have the opportunity to meet with loved ones if they are in your soul group, right? You don't necessarily meet with them unless you know you can incarnate with a whole bunch of people and they're not part of your soul family, so you don't meet them again. Yeah. Just curious, did she catch up with any of her children at the time of crossing or recently? And uh has she received healing and understanding as a result of this?

SPEAKER_03 42:00

She's make yeah, she's making me feel she started bringing this through earlier, but the first child, she's making me feel like he welcomed her and that he actually um helped assisted in her crossing to a degree where she felt forgiven, and she felt like she could let go of that shame and that guilt that she had been harboring for so long because he welcomed her and he let her know that it wasn't her fault, and that he loved her, and that she needed to forgive herself, and that this really helped her understand that it really was just part of her life, it was just something she needed to experience, and that she didn't need to hold herself accountable for his death anymore.

SPEAKER_01 42:56

Okay, great. Now I'm thinking that so what you're just telling me is that first child crossed over before her, and that therefore I crossed over the first child? I think is that the connection, or did she just come through because of this thread?

SPEAKER_03 43:21

I don't feel like you crossed over the first child. I feel like she's coming through because of Harry and how she was able to then reunite with him after you crossed him over.

unknown 43:38

Yep, okay.

SPEAKER_03 43:39

But he yeah, she's making me feel like the oldest boy or the one that was lost first. He crossed over first after some time. She was she crossed over.

SPEAKER_02 43:54

I do feel like There wasn't really any assistance with that.

SPEAKER_03 44:02

It was just her time. She just came to that realization. And he, I feel like it's like he jumped in at that moment to be like, hey mom, I love you. I'm here. And she crossed and that she was just waiting for Harry to come back and some of the other children to come back. And that that's why she's that's why she's here. That she wants to say thank you for returning her family to her.

SPEAKER_01 44:33

That's all right. You're welcome. Yeah, my understanding is that they can cross themselves over at that point in time in which their will changes. So she had the will, it was her human free will to stay. I feel quite emotional. But I do too. But there is a moment in time in which her will changed and she expressed an ability to wish to cross over, and then you can cross yourself over or see the loved ones who are waiting for you. That's my understanding of how it works. You don't need assistance from us, but if your will changes itself, then you'll be granted access immediately and the angels will come or somebody important to you will come. But it's okay, you have to have the free will moment. Just the same as you and I can't cross someone over if they don't wish to be crossed over, they will not go because they have to consent to it.

SPEAKER_03 45:23

Yeah, yeah. That makes sense to how she's making me feel and how she's describing it to me is that she just is she just had this shift, and then he was there to say, come home, come back.

SPEAKER_02 45:37

And yeah, she did. Yeah, okay. Um beautiful, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 45:46

Is there any anything else you'd like us to know at all about what you're doing now, or any message you have to people listening to this or watching this?

SPEAKER_03 46:06

She wants you to know and she wants everyone to know that what you don't heal in life will stay with you until you're ready to heal it, and that it follows you, whether it follows you to an earthbound spirit type of connection or into your next lifetime. That these are lessons that you're meant to learn so that you can grow and you can heal, and it's your responsibility to heal those. And if you don't, they're just gonna follow you. You can't drink them away, you can't they're just gonna stick with you.

SPEAKER_02 46:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:49

Okay, so it's really important for people to understand that there is life after death because it's not just this one life, and uh that's why we all have to really learn about emotions and understand how to heal and take our own responsibility for healing so that we can leave the emotion in this life.

SPEAKER_03 47:09

Um she wants to she also wants to say that that she understands that grief is not easy. She's not telling anyone that that healing is easy, and she said that her story should be proof to that, that she was not strong enough to deal with her grief in life, and so it stuck with her. But grief is also part of the experience, and we have to experience grief to understand all angles. She's saying that we know what our lessons are and what we're working on and what we're healing, and so do the listeners, and that it's just important to be aware of that and aware of what you're working on, and also be proud of yourself for doing the work and for healing because it's not something that everyone does, and she can attest to that.

SPEAKER_01 48:03

Okay, beautiful. Could you please thank her? We really appreciate her coming through and letting us know her side of the story because we've we always want to present and balance side of the story, we want to put present the whole picture because we don't wish to cast any judgment on anybody, and that's really good and balancing to hear Harry's mum's side of the story because we've we intimately connected with Harry, and so it's important for listeners to understand Harry's mum's perspective, and so we can understand why Harry's mum didn't turn up at his grave. Yeah, we can feel I can really feel that grief right now, and we can understand that from her perspective. So we really do appreciate her coming today to um share that story. So we wish her and we thank her for coming today.

SPEAKER_02 48:57

She says thank you.

SPEAKER_03 48:59

She says thank you for letting her have a voice, and that it's really important the work that we're doing.

SPEAKER_02 49:07

Okay, thank you. Okay, she's gone.

SPEAKER_03 49:16

Sorry, that one was really emotional for me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:19

Are you okay?

SPEAKER_03 49:22

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:23

I can just yeah. It was tough. Be beautiful, but tough. I can feel I can feel just how how hard her life was.

SPEAKER_03 49:39

And feeling so out of control. Yeah. And I do think that there's some connection to Mary with her. I know I said Nora, and that might be a connection to her too, but I feel like she's been trying to come through.

SPEAKER_02 49:57

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think there are two other people because the name that I got for her was Doris or something like that. Doris.

SPEAKER_01 50:10

I'll find it, but yeah, Doris Carter was her maiden name, and Doris Lindsay was her Doris Carter Lindsay was her name and she married into the Troy family.

SPEAKER_02 50:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:25

Yeah, so Doris.

SPEAKER_02 50:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:30

Yeah. There's something with Mary that keeps coming through to you, and that is Yeah, that's all right.

SPEAKER_02 50:45

We had wondered what had happened to her. Yeah. And we got the answer. We got the answer.

SPEAKER_04 51:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:03

And yeah, and we had been I had not realized that uh spirit other spirits were trying to tell us as other souls were trying to tell us her story as well. So it wasn't really important for her to share that story because of the two attempts at people to to share her side of the story.

SPEAKER_03 51:20

Yeah. And I I don't remember if I said this when we were talking to her or not, but I also wrote down religious and Jesus. So I do feel like I do feel like there was she was a religious lady and came from a religious family. So I do feel that also played a part in her guilt and all of that, and her just the shame.

SPEAKER_01 52:14

So now you've heard the transmission that came through. Did it match up? Seems confusing. Who committed suicide? Who did what? And the answer is that we think that there was a number of women who came through with Doris. We believe that Harry's mother, Doris, was in that transmission, and also Isabella. Isabella was the mother of the other little boy who died out at the cemetery at Harrisville. Now there is a possibility that Isabella committed suicide. But there is also a possibility that either one or either of them imbibed alcohol or some kind of a drug, and the soul can thought of it as suicide. It also could have been an assisted death. We don't know. It's also none of our business. So I thought I'd try one more time to connect to the soul of Doris, Harry's mother, and see what she had to say. So in May 3.11 p.m., the 19th of May 2020, I said, open the door to Harry's mother, Doris Carter Lindsay Troy Shaw. And I didn't get her, I got Archangel Michael, and this is what he said. Hi Katish, it's Archangel Michael here. Well, I have two perspectives here. One is to find out your intention towards this information. For we cannot force anyone to come through. But if you want to ask if you want to know why she was adopted, then you'll have to ask her father or her mother. But if you want to know why she never came to the grave of Harry, she would simply say, why would I? She noted just now and asked, How many times you have been to your own father's grave? She noted you said once at the time of death, and that he is buried a long way away in his hometown. So the simplest way to honor her wishes is to say that she did visit Harry once or twice before. She left that rotten husband of hers, but she doesn't want to offend anyone. For as you know, she had three husbands and she moved many times over the south side of Brisbane, and she lost many children. Back in those days, she's relaying to me that you took whatever place in the cemetery that the father of the church could find. It wasn't easy to find cheap grave sites. So that is why her children are buried in unmarked graves in many different places. But as you can see, when Harry was around, things had begun to turn around in her life financially. And she knows that you have the photo, and she is very well dressed, and you even thought beautiful. And Harry looks thin but well looked after. She also wants to let you know that she's proud that you noticed the beautiful headstone that he did have. Maybe you could figure out how to clean it for her and leave some flowers as her testament to her love for him. She appreciates your tears for you know she was a good mother by your gut instinct. But those were tough times. And yes, looking at the records, there was probably a history of infant genocide in her family, as well as a long history of cancer in the DNA. But who knew these things back then? And although she's a little defensive and she is still in her life review, excuse me. These things can take a while. She understands that even you did not do a DNA test before having children. But who does? Unless you have a visible active knowledge at the time of your wedded list, no one searches for family diseases, do they? She would have fainted if she knew Harry was sitting at the grave waiting for her to visit. But I have told her that Harry probably had a limited ability to see through his astral vision. But she says, thank you for solving the puzzle for Harry. She would prefer not to have all the dirt dug up on her life, but she acknowledges that her daughter-in-law must have put those bits of information up on Ancestry so you could do the research instead. And that is all she has time for. There was a dual transmission from both Dorises in there that I never noticed until now. As for the extended family and what happened to her firstborn son, she says and winks, perhaps the little researcher will use her connections to find out what happened to him. And reminds you of Auntie Elma. For she never gave up him. She never adopted him out, but he was from a very different father. And you have alluded to this a little here in this writing. But also every man has his burden to carry. And she knows you know that there was quite a bit of age difference, and young boys went to work much earlier, started their families, and grew distant. But it is hard to imagine now. But if you cast your mind back to when my eldest son was born, you will see from the dates of his birth and death that we lived through a war, a depression, and a stock market crash. So when you're hungry and have a baby to feed, and a fine fellow who wants to treat you to a hot dinner or two comes your way, it's time to jump ship or suffer another bruise or two next week, if you know what she means. End of transmission. Closed door to communicating with Doris until she finishes with her life review. And she further declines to come through because she says, Well done. And that's about everything she wanted to say. It just took a lot of effort for you to wrangle your head around it, and she's rest wrangling it still. Although she thinks by the time I press publish on this episode, she might be ready to go finally out of this winged creature's arms and back into the arms of he she really deserved in the end. And she'll leave it up to your imagination to decide whether that's God or a husband from this lifetime that she had or another lifetime or a lifetime in the future or whatever. But she says, Congratulations and thank you for trying to solve the mystery. It's not m it's not really that difficult, but it is very difficult all at once. And we say back to her, bless your soul, bless your heart, thank you for your perseverance, Doris. Give Harry a hug. And she almost said who's Harry and laughed. But she said, Is right standing here next to me. He's been holding my hand the whole time. As I have been holding his and we have been holding our collective spiritual breaths to see if you would finally publish this episode. Namaste.