Working with Dragons in the Akashic Records: Ancestral Clearing & Etheric Healing with Mac McGregor

What does it mean to work with dragons in the Akashic Records?

In this episode, Katische Haberfield interviews Mac McGregor about collaborating with dragons in the Akashic field for ancestral clearing, etheric healing, and emotional evolution.

Mac explains how dragons operate as protective and intelligent healing allies — clearing stagnant energy, supporting chakra alignment, and assisting with inherited patterns carried through ancestral lines. The conversation also explores galactic lifetimes, light language, seraphim and unicorn energies, and how imagination reconnects us with unseen realms.

Inside this episode:

• Working with dragons in the Akashic Records
• Ancestral line clearing and energetic release
• Etheric flame energy and chakra support
• Galactic beings and multidimensional lifetimes
• Light language and vibrational healing
• Healing resistance through the higher self
• Inner child imagination as access to spiritual realms
• Evolution through love rather than force

This episode is for listeners exploring dragon energy, Akashic healing, ancestral patterns, galactic consciousness, and reconnecting with etheric realms in grounded, practical ways.

When you're making important decisions in your life or business, the questions you are asking deserve answers from the right level.

Hi, I’m Katische. I channel Archangels and spiritual beings in the light and translate higher spiritual intelligence into structured, implementable direction.  Book at Katische.com

Transcript

In this episode of The Infinite Life Podcast, Katische Haberfield speaks with Mac McGregor about working in the Akashic Records, dragon Reiki, spiritual healing beings, and how imagination may connect to the etheric realms.

Mac McGregor and Katische Haberfield

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Mac McGregor: I find them to be your best friends. They're very much our best friends, very protective, and they're comical and they can go really deep. Into the depths when a dragon comes in. Because what I do with my spiritual team is they come in when it's appropriate and when I know what Dragons are in, it's either ancestral, depending on how they're moving or it's really deep healing and it's done with so much love.

Katische Haberfield: Welcome to the Infinite Life Podcast. I'm your host, Katische Haberfield and it's my great privilege to have Mac McGregor here with me this evening. Well, it's this evening Australian time, and Mac is an artist and a soul guide.

And my consciousness was alerted to her through a great friend of mine, Cindy Lou Porter. And I had the thought to invite Mac to come on to tell me about her work in the Akashic realms. And a lot of the beings who she works with that. I, for example, haven't worked with, in my work, so I wanted to learn more about them.

But first of all, Mac, how did you begin to become aware of your interest in the Akashic realms and the various beings that we will talk about? Where did it start for you?

Mac McGregor: Somehow flames was always something that I was drawn to and I didn't quite understand why, and I was following Melissa Amos and she was speaking on Helen Picnics channel. I spoke about the Akashic realm and the Akashic records, and I thought, oh, oh, that sounds really interesting. And asked her if she was running a course and she said no. But I found another person, Joanna Hunter, who was running in Ash Records course. So I signed up for that and that was, my first course in the cashew records, which also, Cindy did as well. And we both, studied with Melissa Amos when she finally did her course. So we both done two courses in the cashew records and I went on to do further work with Melissa. And the Dragons, again, with the flame and it didn't click. You know, sometimes you do something and things don't click. I was just drawn to the Dragons. I went, okay, Reiki. So Dragon reiki and the Dragons are very flexible. I mean, they protect our waterways, our lay lines. They're very protective of humans. They work in the Asteric field. The elementals, I nearly forgot what that word was. They work in the elemental field as well. there's of course a Caic Dragons and other Dragons from other planets that come in when necessary and sometimes. I when I see them, and again, I never even associated with a flame, but of course very often they spark freight flame and it's not as in it will destroy, will destroy outmoded energies than be destructive physically, if that makes sense. So it's the, it is that that, say when you walk into a room and someone's had an argument and you can just feel the energy while the Dragons would come in and sweep, pull that away. So it made it more peaceful and relaxing. That's the kind of example of how they could work.

Katische Haberfield: I didn't know they did that. Interesting. I've used the angels for that, but I didn't know I could call on the Dragons for that.

Mac McGregor: Well, as I say, I used to call in different, beings, but what happens when I'm working with someone is that, I, I say to my team, they called the hoard. They're obvious reasons because of the horror. Some of them I have not met. They're kind of stick it in the back. I'm waiting, waiting for the right person, you know, to come and help. And I go, oh, Serafin are here. I just know or an angel comes in or whatever. And, but I never know what's going to happen and I just allow that to hap to come through for each person. So that's where I started the Dragon Reiki. And they came in automatically into the Kasic Re realm, particularly when we, I was working with the violet flame in the Akashic realm and the Kasic realm. you work there, anything that, any healing modality that you do tends to be much more magnified working in that athletic field and. For people who actually don't know about the cashew records, the Rist work, a ca word Kasha translated. The nearest translation is Air or Ether Records, because they hold all our thoughts, feelings, and actions, not just in this lifetime, but our past lifetimes. Now that might be a big leak for some people, but suspend your belief.

When I was doing a healing for someone who was a bit resistant, what the Dragons did, and the angels just surrounded her aura gently, just holding it with love. And during the session there was a release, but she was very resistant and so I worked with her higher self directly with the healing. that's just one simple way the Dragons can come in. It's like having a beautiful imaginary friend who can help you feel strong, can help you feel loved, can help you heal, can help you embrace life, as you wish, and when you need some more courage. I also work with angels. And with blue beings, which they call themselves the Morrisons. And Exactly. And I really love that because it's just like a neighbor down the road, you know? And I said, well, I would just like one representative Morrison.

Katische Haberfield: Okay, good.

Mac McGregor: So there's, so it's that kind of humor and just kind of friendly, something you would know ordinarily down your life. but I remember even the first time that I did a Reiki healing, dragon, reiki healing with someone, and it was through my breath and this was online. The person on the other end felt in person and was able to feel that energy going in and loving the parts of themselves that they doubted, that they felt unloved, cared for. Just beautiful, gorgeous energies. Sometimes ies come in, don't normally come in generally for me, but they come in for other people where they feel it's a kind of playful being mischievous kind of energies. Um, yeah, the. In the they come very often with or in the flame rooms, like with the violet flame, or they have their own tempo and they work with the chakras, but they also, you see work with the chakra systems and they can do lots of healing through there. And your aura. And as I say also with your, ancestral line, if there's anything deep within your ancestral line that has been coming up and it is, affecting your life now that it can really, really help to release, and infuse love and care. 

What I do is I work with someone. Someone will come with something they want to work on and. Social chat. And then when we go into whatever healing modality, whether it be in the cache records or using other methods, they come in automatically. I don't have to call 'em because I have this open.

When I'm working with someone, I just say, come in when neat. You know, so fairies will come in, but I have not really connected with fairies. a sort of relatively, new one, maybe a couple of months has been the unicorns. And I quite often have two things. I have two healing Dragons called Cassandra and Esco, and I have two unicorns as well , when I, remember if I was actually healing or someone was healing me, 'cause this is a healing circle I go to. And I kept seeing horses, white horses. And and then after the session, I was in about horses and she was going, no. then I kept seeing them, the periphery, you know, kept moving, kept seeing it in the periphery, and then they came and it was beautiful. And it wasn't just one. They, came up and put their horns in my heart and I just felt so much love. It was beautiful. It's like. Like when the angels give you a hug, is just, you know, it's like a mother 10 times over. Showing you like that it's gorgeous. And of course the Dragons can do that too. I suppose Dragons and angels are the main ones.

, And of course my, the Morrisons, which are very much the Morrison. I mean, I, this is, you see my team like to, you know, tickle me.

Katische Haberfield: It's good. I like it. Mine too. Yeah.

Mac McGregor: exactly. Yeah. So the, the Morrisons come in and they're mainly for healing some, something I'm exploring is, using light language. So I've been drawing light language or painting light language.

I've been speaking, doing movements, et cetera. Uh, so I'm exploring that. And they would like me to do a, a modality using the Caic field. So I'm exploring that. I'm in the research stages for that at the moment. Going back to the Ashuk records, there's an icaic flame and for me it's white and um. When I see a white color, white flame, of course white contains all colors. So, and when I connected to this viol, um, the Akashic flame Dragons a multitude of colors started swirling around. So they came in at the same time as this caches flame. When I was introduced to it, it was beautiful. And they were spiraling upwards. And so for me, my understanding of it is that they're, they're confirming that I in evolution

Katische Haberfield: Okay.

Mac McGregor: which is for those who don't know in the kind of spiritual realm, evolution is. When we, like I used to hate myself when I was at stage in my life. And that came to being okay. And maybe, and yes, that okay. But now I'm much, much more loving towards myself and that is a kind of emotional progression. But you can energetically, we can evolve by, if we've been in the room. With some, someone who's had an argument, you can feel that energy. But when someone's in a room and you're arguing against, you know, really arguing or really in the dumps of really being critical, it's, you could feel that heavy energy and evolution is bringing your energy up, but not in a false way. It's. Being, uh, energy and you are not perfect by any means. When you're evolving. It means that you, the, scale in which you move tends to be narrower than the extremes of being absolutely ecstatic to absolutely miserable. Although you can get those, but they're much less. I dunno if that explains it very well.

Katische Haberfield: Can I ask you a question?

Mac McGregor: Yes, by all means,

Katische Haberfield: So I actually have two questions. The first question that I have is the Morrisons, when you said, when you said they're blue beings,

Mac McGregor: yes.

Katische Haberfield: do you mean like,, 'cause I'm trying to pitch them. Do you mean like, um, like a blue Vedic kind of a being or do you mean like, um, are they from like, are they like a galactic being or,

Mac McGregor: galactic.

Katische Haberfield: okay.

Alright.

Mac McGregor: they're galactic.

Katische Haberfield: Okay. I, because I have experience taking people, to meet, connections who were blue beings. And then I've had more work to do recently with the Vedic lineage of Blue Blueness. So I was just wondering Yeah, where the Morrisons. Sat on that scale.

Mac McGregor: Galactic, although there may be some that's hiding, that's Vedic, but I haven't explored that.

Katische Haberfield: Yeah. Okay.

Mac McGregor: concept to um, explore.

Katische Haberfield: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And the second question was, based on our pre-discussion, when I was a little girl. Because of, the soul work that I needed to do with understanding, ghosts and all of my ghost rescue work, I spent a lot of time in my mind.

In the imaginary world, which was more seeing fairies and magical creatures that were more of the Enid Blyton style of things. Now, what I have discovered is through like our very brief conversation today and through other people who have commented, when I do meditations and I bring in who I call the fairies and the magical creatures, other people don't have the same perception of them. They're like, no, that's not an energy that I know. You know? Um, so if I talk about a fairy, for example, I know that there are mischievous ones, but I see them kind of like the, I don't know if you have girl guides and brownies in Scotland, but Yes. Like that do gooding, service kind of a being and.

I was just wondering your perception. I guess the same comes from my perception of Dragons has been from, a feeling that they are magical, which is totally different to the way that you perceive them. And given that that energy is quite strong and has been here right now, I was just wondering if you could bring through, some sort of a, a thought.

Or understanding from them about, my perception being so different from other people's because it feels like at the moment where I'm moving to, and in trying to understand it, and them, makes it, it makes me feel like. I'm connecting to some different sort of energy than other people are, and I'm trying to be authentic in conveying my perception of them, but it doesn't seem to match up to other people's perceptions.

Yeah. So I was just wondering what kind of a, sort of a feeling you get from them about that.

Mac McGregor: well, that doesn't surprise me because. We all perceive things differently. We all have, we all perceive things from a different lens, we're going to see things slightly different and you and your description of a fairy might be totally different from mine and, you know, a 5-year-old or a 19-year-old or anybody really.

Katische Haberfield: Mm.

Mac McGregor: and I've forgotten your question.

Katische Haberfield: I was just wondering because, you know, the Dragons were here very strongly before, and

Mac McGregor: Ask

Katische Haberfield: yeah, so it was more that, you know, you, you described them as, best friends and protective and comical. And I was wondering, because also when you said that one of your, was your Dragons was named, was Cassandra or was it something Yes, so before I was born, my mother had the name Cassandra as the name that they were going to give me. And then when I was born, she went, no, it's Kish. And I just thought that was too coincidental that the dragon that you work with is named Cassandra and it was the number one name that my mother was gonna call me. So I was just like, I think there's something there that I need to explore with Mac.

There's something there.

Mac McGregor: Okay. I don't think I've mentioned the names of the Dragons before too. You though, have I?

Katische Haberfield: No, only just now in this, this, this conversation. Yeah.

Mac McGregor: Yeah. Yeah. Interesting that , something from The Dragons we're here to help you heal. To go deep into your bones, to your cells, to your energy bodies, to your past lives, to give you insight. Care and protection engage you, guide you back to a knowing a knowing that you're becoming more of yourself. Although we are powerful, sometimes large etheric beings, we are very gentle. Okay. Do you want to ask them anything else? 

Katische Haberfield: I mean, and that, that's part of the, the journey, isn't it, in life, is to, to say, what do I need to, to discover further what you know, because I have that kind of a, that inquiring mind that can sometimes seek to know so intensely that, it's almost a bit too much.

Do you know what I mean? Like I. I, I wanna go deeper and deeper and deeper, and sometimes my team goes, stop, stop. You know, like, you, you don't have to do everything in this lifetime. And I'm like, but I'm interested.

Mac McGregor: Absolutely. I mean, I like, I'm very curious, and I like to delve into de deeper things, but what I keep coming back to is it doesn't need to be complex. It can be so simple. But you can still go deep. You can still get to the core of things. generally people are surprised when they discover, know, that icky part of themselves, that thing that really hurt them, that they've maybe suppressed. And to bring it love. So when you say things like Bring it love, it just seems so simple, but it's so complex to get to that place where someone is going to acknowledge that it might be there to allow it. To come in and then to embrace it. And it's the embracing that really does the healing and that takes it to work. And that takes a lot of releasing, and that's where the, the, ashing records or the Dragons come in and can really help with that. Um. other, the healing modalities that we're talking about, beings , who are, they be, the elephants sometimes come in and they're beautiful energy and it's very much, I haven't a clue what they're singing, light l light language, but they're, they're on a level that's our bypasses, our conscious minds. Because we don't need to speak when we're con conversing with anybody. Our body language does a lot. Our expression does a lot. So it's very, very similar. Yeah, don't want to ask any other questions.

Katische Haberfield: So if the serafin come in, in a session, do your clients hear them sing or do you only hear them sing?

Mac McGregor: I hear them sing.

Katische Haberfield: Yeah.

Mac McGregor: Sometimes my clients will hear them sing.

Katische Haberfield: Okay. Yeah, because I assume it's like, a very specific, do you experience it in a very specific part of your, this is gonna sound weird, but a very specific part of your ear.

Mac McGregor: Um, no, I'm not consistent.

Katische Haberfield: Okay.

Mac McGregor: can't tell you.

Katische Haberfield: Okay.

Mac McGregor: not consistent. I'm a human design reflector and we are not consistent,

Katische Haberfield: Okay.

Mac McGregor: goes with my, with the, my work, et cetera. I, I find ways that are appropriate and things come in just like the creative process. Things come in when you, when you are exploring, and it might not appear to be relevant. Um, but it is,

Katische Haberfield: Mm-hmm. Interesting.

Mac McGregor: yeah. so it's very difficult to pinpoint. I had lots of stories that I could tell you and they've just gone, on, come on, come back. So I was thinking about, what shall I say, and then just to. A beautiful blue dragon just turned up and kind of just nodded his head and put his wing around me and went. It's just simply being, being held in love.

Katische Haberfield: Yeah, I can feel that in my heart space. Yeah.

I think that for that, for me. Because, my journey has been very much so logical, linear, rational strategy, processes, systems in my career prior to going into a spiritual career. I'm still doing the, well, I have to do this followed by this, but do you know what I mean? And just to even sit in that space of.

There are beings and that all you need to do is that they just sit with you and you feel that energy. I'm like,

yeah, there's still that. You know, like that. That delay where my brain goes, it's gotta be harder than that.

Mac McGregor: No, it's not harder than that. Simply,

Katische Haberfield: Yeah.

Mac McGregor: and I think that's what we, we tend to make things harder. But it doesn't have to be. And what's so amazing is that when you work with other people, it's their experience. They meet. Sometimes it's just me. Because I know they're helping me in the process, and that's the distinction of whether they're coming in for the, the person I'm working with. And they see, feel sense here, what is going on. And it's incredible what happens. And it, it, it sounds mad and you think, oh, goodness gracious, what they're talking about. It is something I think you need to experience because from the logical left brain, it's just difficult to imagine. And a sort of image came up when I was saying that from a logical left sided brain, it's very much, you know, when you're in love with someone, if you have a partner and you are truly in love and you, you are just loving on each other and you just embrace each other, there are other creatures. If they're creatures that can do the same for you. Either you call them in or you have a relationship when they come in, when you need them. , And it's so beautiful. It's so wonderful, and you're not doing things alone. You've got these creatures, these angels , supporting you.

Katische Haberfield: And these, these creatures and these beings in your experience, you know, if somebody is going through a moment and they're by themselves, you know, they can't get in to see somebody like you for help, how do they wish to be called upon? Is it just a thought? Is it like, what? How do they explain how they wish to be asked for help?

Mac McGregor: You can sort of, it's important to tune into yourself and ground and just make a conscious connection to source God anything you can making that connection so you're calm your body down and then you can invite a guardian angel. Or being into your space, because that's something that I can, I do as well. I can introduce people to Angels and Dragons and any other being that they want. Like with Cindy, with her Tigers.

Katische Haberfield: Yes.

Mac McGregor: yeah. So they're not necessarily particularly related to me. It's for the client, so,

Katische Haberfield: Yes.

Mac McGregor: Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: Okay.

Mac McGregor: And it's just trusting, being open, being, oh, excuse me, open to, I mean, anytime we're watching a film on or a series, we are spending our logical minds and we know that this isn't happening. We are all in, you know, the process and the storyline, and it's not far from that into ether beings.

Katische Haberfield: Mm.

Mac McGregor: Unlike we are on the, we are on the internet. We are not connected in any way physically, and yet we are on the internet. saw those kind of lines

Katische Haberfield: Mm

Mac McGregor: of blurring, blurring.

Katische Haberfield: mm Yeah, absolutely. And I have one last question for you.

Mac McGregor: Okay.

Katische Haberfield: You've spoken about , the realms. And my understanding is that, because I haven't been there, so to speak, that there is a, like a whole separate realm of the Akashic, which is the galactic lifetimes, like a galactic records. Is that how you would describe it?

Mac McGregor: I would say that, the C, it fuel contains everything

Katische Haberfield: Mm.

Mac McGregor: and that, so the galactic is actually part of, because it is part of the whole and we just have access and it's one way to access it.

Katische Haberfield: Mm-hmm.

Mac McGregor: Does that explain?

Katische Haberfield: Yep. No, that explains, yeah. Yep. Yeah, because it's, it's, um it's not somewhere that I have been, for example, when I did my sessions with Cindy, I have not been to that area, specifically or intentionally, but I have, taken my own clients through past life regression to lifetimes that I would describe that would fit within the Galactic framework.

So I was, I was wondering, whether your work goes into that area as well, or whether you, you mostly do the, earthly connections that are from Lifetimes on Earth. 

Mac McGregor: No, I can go into, I've, no, I, I've go, I've visited a planet personally where, excuse me what I saw in that planet and being, this is a past life of mine where I was, a disembodied eye there were just these eyes floating around and they were coming, looking at me and things. And I think, so I've been this

Katische Haberfield: That's an interesting one.

Mac McGregor: eyes and what's so interested, interested in, I studied the Jean Keys, , with, Richard Rudders, the founder and my. Purpose sphere is 17, that is on its, highest, evolution omniscience, which relate to your forest. I, I mean, I, I found out that much later than I, I visited the planet. Where I was this disembodied eye, looking up eye. So the connection was just like, And of course it's our third eye.

And that's where we see and imagine. And , and as talking about imagination, it's like, our imagination. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. My jumper, uh, my cup all start here. In the unseen realms, and if it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have anything. Harry. Six cars, computers, the internet.

Katische Haberfield: Yeah, for sure. Definitely.

Interesting. And is there anything that you would like to, impart as a message or a thought for people to sort of wrap up? This very quick dive into is a very shallow, very quick dive, but I wanted to, sometimes you need to introduce concepts slowly and then let people. Get used to ideas and then do their own exploration and reach out to people.

And so I just wanted to sort of scratch the very surface today. So is there anything that you would like to leave with listeners today about? Anything in particular that we've discussed, a, a thought for them to mull over or some, some advice or?

Mac McGregor: I would invite people to remember when they were children and when they played, and when they imagined a mountain or a tank or a doll or a fairy or. A dragon or any other creature in their imagination, were doing it and connecting to the etheric plane there.

Katische Haberfield: Okay.

Mac McGregor: But we have forgotten

Katische Haberfield: Hmm.

Mac McGregor: we were being told very often, oh, it's just your imagination.

Katische Haberfield: Hmm.

Mac McGregor: Very often. We all have that capability and just some people have it more than others, just like any other skill or talent. and like any other skill and talent, if we practice, we can connect. And another thing is about belief. Suspend your belief and explore. See what happens.

Katische Haberfield: Beautiful.

Mac McGregor: Just ask. Just ask that whoever comes in comes in with love.

Katische Haberfield: Yes. Mm-hmm. Definitely very important point.

Okay. Mac, and if people want to explore these concepts further with you, is there a particular social media that you're most active on, or do they go straight to your website? How do you best prefer to establish connection with people?

Mac McGregor: Actually, I prefer Facebook Messenger or

Katische Haberfield: Yep.

Mac McGregor: Messenger.

Katische Haberfield: Okay.

Mac McGregor: is a initial. So if you think you want to explore further or just curious, let's have a chat and see if I can help.

Katische Haberfield: Perfect. Well, thank you very much for your time today. I hope you have a wonderful weekend ahead of you, and thank you for wetting our imagination and sending us back down the path of remembering what we used to find joy from as a child.

Mac McGregor: Thank you very much. It's been a pleasure.

Katische Haberfield: Thank you.