How to Practice Self Love by Healing Ancestral Trauma: Emotional Alchemy, Ho’oponopono & Shamanic Healing with Dr Tassel Faith Shanebrook

How do you practice self love when you’re carrying generational trauma?

In this episode, Katische Haberfield speaks with Dr Tassel Faith Shanebrook — psychotherapist, hypnotherapist, Kundalini yoga instructor, and shamanic practitioner — about healing ancestral trauma, processing anger, and practicing emotional alchemy as the true foundation of self love.

This conversation moves beyond affirmations and positive thinking into embodied emotional work. Dr Tassel explains why many people feel disconnected from themselves, how suppressed emotions live in the body, and why some individuals are here to interrupt generational patterns and “break the line” of inherited trauma.

We explore how unprocessed anger can become depression, how shame surfaces during ancestral healing, and why feeling uncomfortable emotions is essential for spiritual growth and psychological integration.

Inside this episode:

• What self love actually means in practice
• How to process anger and uncomfortable emotions safely
• Healing ancestral and generational trauma
• Ho’oponopono as a tool for emotional regulation
• Spiritual isolation and the “hermitage” phase of awakening
• Shamanic healing and reconnecting with nature
• Spirit animals as symbolic guides (serpent and eagle)
• Inner child work and rebuilding self trust
• Why emotional repression affects men differently
• Moving beyond cognitive therapy into embodied healing

Dr Tassel also shares her Miracle Hour group prayer practice inspired by collective intention work, and discusses how emotional presence creates space for higher self embodiment.

This episode is for listeners navigating divorce, identity loss, ancestral healing, or emotional overwhelm — and for anyone seeking a grounded spiritual approach to self love that integrates psychology, shamanism, and practical emotional tools.

If you’ve been trying to think your way into healing, this conversation offers another path:

Feel it.
 Alchemize it.
 Reclaim your power.

When you're making important decisions in your life or business, the questions you are asking deserve answers from the right level.

Hi, I’m Katische. I channel Archangels and spiritual beings in the light and translate higher spiritual intelligence into structured, implementable direction.  Book at Katische.com

Transcript

The Miracle of Self Love: Dr Tassel Faith Shanebrook.

Welcome to the Infinite Life Consciousness Raising Spiritual Transformation. I'm your host, Katische Haberfield. I know that this podcast will open your eyes to both the imaginable and the inexplicable. This podcast is not for beginners, but if you are on your spiritual awakening. Or if you have experienced many spiritual awakenings, you'll find content here to delight and to inspire.

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What next best step can you sense that precious, intuitive voice, your higher consciousness voice, where is it inviting you next? That is the path to your greatest financial abundance and security.

It is. It is following that higher self guidance, just as it is with the emotional part. It's the same thing. So it is our higher self that will lead us to our financial sovereignty. It is not anything external. It's from within, just as all the emotional spiritual part is. It's the same thing. Our abundance comes from within.

It comes from our highest alignment with our higher self.​​

Welcome 

back to the Infinite Life Podcast with me, your host, 

Katische Haberfield. 

This week I am very privileged to have a new friend to my world, Dr. Tassel Faith 

Shanebrook. 

And before I welcome her, I'd just like to let you know a little bit about her. 

Dr. Tassel 

Shanebrook 

is a leading world expert in helping individuals make uniquely transformative shifts in their lives. Her foundational method is assisting clients access and live from their own inner guidance. As A licensed doctor of psychotherapy with two master's degrees, Dr. Tassel brings a high level of clinical education, and as a certified hypnotherapist certified Kundalini yoga instructor, Reiki master and shamanic practitioner, she employs powerful metaphysical modalities. Dr. Tassel is the founder of Rebirth Hypnotherapy, author of 

of 

Resurrection. And the forthcoming The 10 Initiations and a Star of the Movie Zero Limits. Dr. Tassel is the CEO and a visionary of you are your own hero and was named a thought leader by the La Tribune. Dr. Tassel, welcome to the show.

Thank you so much. It's an honor to be here.

Thank you. Now 

for people who are wondering, the connection between Tassel and myself and why I was interested is that 

through 

our long-term guest, Katie Carey, who's been on the podcast multiple times, 

she was in the movie Zero Limits and you are also in the movie Zero Limits. And 

it's one of those movies which I think a lot of people will have, even if they haven't watched it, will have connections to it because people know Dr.

Joe 

Vitale 

is the producer of the movie and it's his vision. And we remember him from 

work 

way back and being on the 

the Secret, movie. So there's lots of different ways that 

you may have 

being connected with people around Dr. Tassels world 

and 

Dr. Tassel. Tell me, how did your connection with the movie and the Zero Limits philosophy start?

What brought you into their that world?

Yes. 

Several years ago when I was going through a very challenging twin flame journey, I really realized I needed to embody more self-love. 

That was what my higher self was really calling me to do. So one of the activities I did around that is I organized a fairly large virtual self-love retreat and I was able to attract some big names like Neil Donald Walsh, for instance, and, 

um, through that. I came in contact with Dr. Joe Vitali through 

that virtual workshop, and I had him on my podcast. He had me on his podcast. We really have 

really close connection. I've actually seen him as my father in another lifetime, and 

so it was through him. I learned about his amazing movie and we started filming it just about two years ago.

Perfect. And, 

Obviously immediately I'm gonna be curious and say, does he know that 

that he was a past life father? Because 

that's my jam.

I 

I don't think I've ever mentioned that to him. I should, 

should, 

he would probably get a kick outta it.

I 

just, one of those discussions that 

I do have had with people on the podcast because there's a lot of this podcast that is about past life regression. 

And obviously as a certified GMA therapist yourself 

the, mind just goes wherever it needs to go to, to access healing, whether that's in the current lifetime or another lifetime.

So I'm always fascinated with the connections 

that we have with people from other lifetimes. 

For example, 

katie Carey and I, and a lot of people who come on this podcast have past lives together, so 

I always find that fascinating in terms of 

where we turn back up in each other's lives in different lifetimes to support each other.

Right.

I love that, and this really feels like a big lifetime for all of us on the planet as we really herald in the new Earth. So it 

like a lot of these connections are really coming together in this lifetime in particular to, to help all of us bring the light into the planet.

Absolutely. And I know that's one of the things that you are passionate about is people supporting each other. And 

a lot of people 

may have listened to case studies and things that I've done with people and clients 

where we've been helping people overcome negative comic influences. 

Where the mind has said, I've done wrong by this person.

I need to go back and I need to help them 

heal by doing 

a different role in their lifetime. But there's also positive karmic influences. And what I see from the work that you are doing in the world is that you are bringing together people who have potentially been karmically connected to support and raise each other.

So 

it's 

different kind 

of a 

I wouldn't almost use the karmic word, but it's a very positive influence to say 

I'm coming in. You might think I might be of somebody right in the background in this lifetime, but if you notice that connection, you notice that spark, then I might zoom right in and come and step right into your world. 

Which is just a different focus for people to focus their mind on that they can actually. Call in support that they never imagined was there for 

right? 

Yes 

I'm really glad you're bringing this up, and actually I'm getting chills with what you're saying 

because I think it's really helpful to maybe normalize what can be part of our spiritual journey, which is often a long period of isolation. 

So 

I, call it a spiritual hermitage when Spirit is saying, you are with me now for however long it takes to help you deeply come back to your higher self and really embody your higher self.

So a lot of us, as lightworkers on the planet, may have experienced 

very, lonely periods 

of our life, of our lifetime on the planet. And what I've seen happen is that often when we 

we 

have come into that embodiment of our higher consciousness. That spirit kind of lets us come back out into the world again so that we can connect with other lightworkers.

But often as lightworkers 

we are strategically distributed throughout the globe. So 

we, still can find ourselves being possibly somewhat alone in our region. So I just wanna 

and, what is really always on my heart, because I have felt 

very, lonely in this lifetime 

on, my journey 

is, to bring us together as much as possible.

Yeah. 

Perfect, And 

I know, and 

I know, and I haven't attended one myself, but I know that every Wednesday, I think it is, maybe it's Wednesday in Australia, you do the 

miracle hours.

Yes. 

Yes.

Can you 

explain to people who are listening, what is that and, 'cause I can explain, I went to one that, the greater group of, from the movie hosted, but 

as I haven't had a chance with yours yet, what is a Miracle Hour?

Yes. 

It's such a pure place to come together. It is completely free. So I just love that energy of it as well. 

It's, we're not selling anything. You don't have to buy a ticket. We just, we come together and we pray together as brothers and sisters on the planet. And the idea is from Lynn McTaggart who 

I is an incredible spiritual person 

in her own right.

And she started off her career as an investigative journalist, and she wrote a book called The Power of Eight, where she researched how are people creating miracles? 

What is, the science behind it? She has a very scientific orientation. 

And 

what she found is that small groups of people, intention groups 

with an ideal number actually of eight, I think it's about six to 12, is the range.

People coming together in these types of small intention groups and praying and visualizing together. She has documented so many miracles 

in the book. And that's what we're experiencing in the Miracle Hour. So that's what we do. 

We, come together, we, I put people into breakout rooms. So there's 

a, a, smaller group of people.

People share the prayer or miracle that they're holding for themselves, and then together we pray on it and we visualize it. And and another really beautiful aspect 

of this work is people are really tuning in to their own intuitive psychic metaphysical gifts. So as we pray and envision. People are having more clairvoyance, more Clair audience.

Sometimes all of the people in the group may see the same vision for the person that we're praying for. So it's really fun, 

it's 

really powerful and there's something just so pure and beautiful about us as humans coming 

together 

to pray together.

And 

from a psychology perspective 

with your psychotherapy practice, tell me about what you know to be true when somebody is seen and heard, what does that do for their own perception of self and how they show up in the world?

Oh, what a beautiful question. 

It's everything. 

I could almost start to cry 

what, you just said. What ideally a therapist, counselor, healer can offer to someone is exactly that. To be seen and to be heard, and. For so many of us in our society, we have been so turned away from ourselves, from that sacred relationship with ourselves and our higher self, our higher consciousness.

So I see an external person holding space, seeing and hearing a client 

as a bridge, to 

shore 

up that person's confidence, 

that person's sense of themselves to help them further connect with themselves so that they can see and hear themselves. Ultimately, that's the ultimate goal.

And I guess that 

is really important for people because when we go through struggles 

you, lose that self of sense of self-confidence, don't you? I know from 

I think my story is a little bit similar to yours in that we both 

have raised children by ourselves. Both ended up single mothers 

both went through. Rather difficult divorces, but came out on the other side positively. 

In those moments where you can tend to go down into despair just because you're like, 

I'm 

a good person, I thought they were a good person. We created miracles called children together, but we were destructive as well.

Together. We weren't the match. I wanted to be that person for them. They wanted to be that person for me, but we were terrible together, otherwise we wouldn't be getting a divorce. You can lose your own sense of faith in yourself, can't you? You can just 

go. What the heck? I think I, I thought I knew myself. I made this choice. 

know, It's 

from Eat, pray, love, where 

Elizabeth Gilbert says, I 

I chose this marriage. I chose the dress. 

I chose to be here, and now I don't want to be. And I thought I could trust my own sense of choices. 

And 

you get into that sense of, can I trust anything I ever do again?

Do you know what I mean? 

Can you speak on how 

understanding how to come back to self-love and self-trust can help you get out of that?

Yes. Beautiful. Beautiful question. So important 

what I see from my own journey and working with clients is that usually by the time we're adults, we are 

deeply, disconnected from ourselves and in this very unhealthy society that, that we are transforming. But, so I know for me that, 

there were so many warning signs 

on my journey 

with my now ex-husband a about it. But 

I was, not paying attention because I was so disconnected. I was very much up here in my thinking mind with the programmed agendas of my society, of my family 

and, as we go disconnected throughout our lives, we may find ourselves in a period of catastrophe.

That's what I would call where I ended up. Sounds like you, you may have felt some somewhat similar, maybe a different term, but that catastrophe can be a turning point. And what I've seen that spirit often does is, as I mentioned in the beginning, spirit starts to isolate us 

us 

as we're moving through catastrophe because the invitation is to go within, is to finally, after decades likely.

Come back to ourselves. And what's so challenging as we start to do that is often when we start to come back to ourselves and we start to be present internally, there's usually a closet full of unprocessed painful emotions in our emotional body. And so I think this really prevents people 

sometimes, from coming more fully back because it can be very painful at first.

Hmm. So one of the practices that I really help clients with and something we do in all of the workshops is a deep feelings practice where we go into the body, we go into the heart space, and just for a few minutes, we welcome in any of those deeper, more uncomfortable feelings 

that may not have made it up to the thinking mind.

And we hold them in our heart. And as we know, when we are just present with that energy, with emotions, they move through us. 

We, alchemize that energy and there are so many gifts on the other side of feeling uncomfortable feelings. So I wanna normalize that as well, that A, this journey can be very lonely at times.

B, when you start coming back to yourself, start being present with yourself. It might feel enormously uncomfortable, but bit by bit we can feel into that closet full of feelings. And over time we will start to feel more peace, more spaciousness. And then the really interesting thing is as we clear our unprocessed feelings from our emotional body, we literally create space for our higher self.

That energy to embody us a lot more. We hear our higher self a lot more. We feel our higher self a lot more. 'cause there's not all that clatter from all the emotions.

Mm. Yes. And the emotions can just feel 

really, heavy, can't they?

Oh my goodness. 

It's, a lot. 

I, really feel the most courageous thing a human can do is to feel those uncomfortable feelings. 

And, we wanna just so honor ourselves when we are able to do that. I believe it's the hardest thing a human can do. 

And, we see how our societies usually are set up to distract us from that very practice.

Almost everything 

we do 

is around distracting, numbing, minimizing. So if anyone ever asked me what is the number one practice I could do to change my life, I would say feel your uncomfortable feelings.

Mm. 

And Yes, for the men watching, that also gives you permission too, because I know as a mother of two boys, that 

that, 

it's uncomfortable to watch young men go through emotions and you want to fix it. 

And it's a practice in itself of allowing somebody you love to express their anger 

or to express their sadness or express 

you 

know, how they feel, especially around 

forbidden topics, which are politics, sex, and religion 

oh, and money 

I, 

I 

I know 

that has been one of 

the big 

things that as I've been going through life 

haven't repartnered, I'm like, I know you had an opportunity to repartner, but 

so watching my children, um, go through probably a little bit behind me, some of the emotions that I'm feeling. 

I, I know, recently my son had an experience 

with 

feeling very loud emotions 

about around money. And it caught me off surprise because I was like, wow, I've tried to shelter him from this so that he wouldn't experience it yet. It's just so obvious. 

You've gotta allow him to be angry. And he did say to me, mom, I'm allowed to be angry about this. It's 

yeah, 

That is so great. What a blessing that you are, so helping your precious boys feel their feelings, the uncomfortable ones 

the, taboo ones, maybe historically in our culture, like anger 

what, I've really seen in my practice is that when we don't feel into the anger, it can really become depression.

And when we give ourselves for full permission to fully feel anger, rage, hatred. We alchemize it into power, it becomes our empowerment. So feeling anger is amazing. It is. It's so profound and powerful.

I, know that 

anger 

is probably where I started 

back after my divorce days. I was angry and I was sad, and I was very down on myself. 

I, had a shaved head, like I shaved my hair off.

Um, 

I had a Britney Spears moment, so to speak.

That's 

awesome.

initial jo, 

my initial journey was, I hate you.

You're ugly. 

You 

caused this failure in 

marriage. Look what you've done.

done. Oh, 

that feeling towards yourself.

Oh,

Yeah. I had to start with Louise Hayes kind of work of

stopping, Yeah.

putting a stop sign in the front of the mirror, basically

in my mind. so that when I would look in the mirror and go, you're ugly, here we go. It would, I would stop those sentences from forming. So for

me 

Ah,

it was like this intense period of anger. And then now when the anger arises, it's like such a foreign emotion. 'cause I've worked through so much of it that it's 

No, no. 

no. Don't shove it back down. 

You're allowed to feel anger. You're allowed to also feel surprised to have that anger.

Um, but sometimes it raws out of you. I got so angry two days ago that I actually roared like a 

lion, 

and I almost lost my voice. I was just like, just roared out of me. And 

I, got so shocked by it, but it was like

Okay, that came from the depths 

and that was

anger in my own private space, 

yes.

Yes. But it just, it roared out of me. And it was linked to a past life, but it was a current life trigger. But yes 

you have to realize, don't you, that 

there are people that can help you with those emotions and there are lots of different tools. Also 

if you've, tried one thing 

and you've got to one level of emotion, there's other tools and other people that can help you with other levels.

So where I was gonna bring that into was tell me about your 

the shamanic side of yourself and how you got into that in this lifetime. 'cause usually I find shamanic 

have got 

a, past life connection to shamanism and and perhaps how, because I haven't done the shamanic side of your work yet, how you use the different 

connections with the spirit animals to help with the emotions. A Like you take it from there. But yeah, that's, I'm really curious about that side of your work as well.

Yes. 

I, just so deeply resonate with the Shamanic way of life, and 

I, have been 

a a shaman in other lifetimes, so it has always felt really familiar and the, to me, what shamanism really means, and I think we could say this about most indigenous cultures, is it's just a connection to the spirit world and a connection to the natural world.

And I think that's where we really find the deepest healing 

outside of 

the, manmade egoic world, of course. And some of the aspects of shamanism that I love are that first of all, everything has meaning. Everything is a sign, everything is. Spirit 

communicating with us. So whether we see a certain animal or 

a, number or a license plate 

or, someone sharing something with us, that 

it's, all the universe, it's all spirit communicating with us.

So it's just very beautiful. E everything has meaning. 

And 

one of the things 

I, really like to do in the workshops here, we're actually in 

the, Miracle Barn where, or I hold a lot of the in-person workshops, is 

I like this word undomesticate to, to undomesticate ourselves from the more manmade 3D egoic world.

And 

I share some of the practices that I use to do that just to, 

again. 

Help us connect more deeply with the spirit world and with the natural world and with ourselves and the, and some of those deeper emotions. So these practices could be, for instance 

being naked more often.

I find 

that practice can really help me tune in more deeply to the spirit world, to the natural world, to myself. 

Eating with our hands, eating with our fingers, that tactile 

sensation, it's also very, it's very helpful for satiation. You tend to feel more full 

after 

you eat with your hands. 

Communing with the elements.

Taking I, 

I have a salt water 

above ground pool 

in my yard. So being in salt water 

being near fire. 

Being out in the wind. So all of these elements un domesticating ourselves be because we are nature 

we are a spirit a as we further connect 

because 

that's who, we really are.

And then the, in terms of the feelings specifically, what I always say to clients is that 

we don't need to look for the feelings. 

We don't need to necessarily 

go back 

and, 

mine 

for feelings. What I always recommend is just honor whatever is arising in you. 

And we're just present with it.

We don't need to fix it. We don't even necessarily need to name the feeling. We don't need to necessarily understand where exactly the feeling came from. It's all fine if we do, but. Our emotions just want us to be present with them because there is so much valuable information in feeling the feelings, and 

it 

usually gives us a direction forward.

So if we're feeling anger maybe around 

personal interaction with someone on the other side of that, there's gonna be a direction. for, It could be, I'm setting my boundaries. I'm not going to engage in that type of interaction any longer. It's all informational, it's all experiential. 

So 

So our emotions are an amazing guide, an amazing tool for us.

And, the more 

we, are in that natural state, connected to nature, connected to more the spirit world. I have found the easier it is for those feelings to come up and for us to 

just, be present with them. I love this word. Presence. Just presence. Presence with yourself 

and then they move through you and then the gift is on the other side.

Mm 

And 

are there any particular 

animals or elements that have been for you personally, very interesting and powerful and in your own journey? For example, for me 

my journey that I'm conscious of 

From, my first spiritual interaction was a white wolf, so I was just wondering what animals or elements came up for you

in

your journey. 

Yes. When I do shamanic journeys, which I love to do 

I, try to do one at least once a week. 

On my journeys, it's very common for me to see a serpent spirit animal and also an eagle spirit animal. And when I see the serpent, I always get a bit excited because I know for sure my thinking mind is not creating that because I don't really like serpents or snakes, so 

that would not be an animal that I would invite in.

So it gives it a little bit more credibility for me. Mm-hmm. Because there's still a part of me that thinks, am I making all this up? Mm-hmm. 

And 

don't believe that. But the thinking mind can come in with 

those, thoughts. So for me, this, when I see a serpent in the beginning of a shamanic journey, I know there's going to be something in the journey around me letting go of something

A snake shedding its skin, and then the eagle as a spirit animal.

When I see the eagle, to me it means I'm going to see things from a larger perspective, from that eagle eye view. So those two animals have been very present in a lot of my journeys.

Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. The eagle was also part of my journey and 

but I don't see the eagle very often anymore. I see a lot of the snake,

Oh, you see the snake 

too. 

and it's 

oh, sorry. Go ahead.

No, Yeah, again, it's 

yeah, I can't make that up. 

You're like, there's no physical snake, but I can see that snake and it's going pretty close.

Got you, got my intention now. Hello?

Yes. 

What does the white wolf represent for you?

The 

white wolf, was very specific. 

I connected with him actually during Dances with Wolves. The movie, like that was just a standout moment, but the white wolf appeared in my house 

to start me on my ghost rescue mission. So he was the one that first came in and said to me, you've got to go find these soldiers who 

are 

still ghosts over 

on the western front. Wow. And he told me the names. And that started me on a five year journey of being a ghost rescue person.

Wow, He help helping those souls pass 

Yeah.

So for me, in my house in Brisbane and there in Flanders, yeah. 

Being able to use my 

tools 

wow. to connect with their spirit, connect them to the angels, cross them over, and then 

find out what their journey is. Yeah. 

And to me that was like, what's that going to do with a wolf? But 

that he was the one that came in.

wow. That, that was my connection. Yeah.

that's 

beautiful.

When I see an eagle, for me 

it reminds me to look at the higher perspective. 'cause

I often get bogged down in the minutia of things. 

I'm a,

Yes.

My life. 

I wanna use the word struggle. It is a struggle, but it's not, is coming from a 

really, logical analytical background.

Management consultant, university lecturer, really thinking based person. I

like to solve problems, right? I

really like to solve problems. I see flow charts, I see spreadsheets in my mind, I see bottlenecks. 

And for me, the challenge in this lifetime has to be to go step back. Stop solving people's problems for them.

Allow them to be heard, allow them to do what they need to do 

and use the 

metaphysical 

skills that you have. 

Which is where the psychic vision comes in 

all the, clares, 

the channeling and that sort of stuff. But it is, it's like the It's it's like sometimes your brain is split into half and you've gotta go stop using that side.

The Miracles is in the other side, right?

Yes. My guidance always says tassel. Stop thinking. Stop thinking. Stop thinking. Stop thinking. Just come back down here with us, with the quantum field, the higher knowingness. 

About what you said, are you familiar with the terms 

north node and south node in astrology?

Because 

I'm, wondering for you, do you know what yours are?

I did. 

But it's gone out the window. 'cause I did a lot of western astrology study and then I shifted into the Vedic

Okay. Yes.

And, 

They don't use those terms in the Vedic. And so recently all of my work has been in the Vedic. So 

I did, know. 

I'm fairly specific in that I have got a unique birth date.

I'm, Christmas Eve.

9:05 PM on Christmas Eve, which was 

intentional because I always joked 

I'm best friends with Jesus because I was born on Jesus' birthday basically. And actually I actually had a significant amount of work to do with Jesus spiritually in this lifetime 

based on a lifetime when he was incarnated.

So it was a birth date chosen on purpose. But the rest of the astrology stuff from the western perspective, I've forgotten. I 

when you study something so much, 'cause it's what got me onto part of the 

analysis for me of what is going wrong with me in my love life. I was like, there has to be something in my astrology that's telling me 

what's going wrong. And so I did look at all, all of that sort of stuff and I did point, 

point 

into past life troubles and that's when I went into past life regression 

and that sort of stuff. But yeah, I don't remember the specific. 

Yeah. 

Often 

when, you said 

I, have a very scientific, linear background, and then I am, it sounds like you, I'm being invited into 

a more spiritual metaphysical perspective. 

I 

wonder if that is 

shown in your south node to your north node.

yeah, I do remember one of them was Taurus. 'cause it's the same sign as my dad, but I don't remember what the other one, I used to have all the printouts and I, they used to sit

beside me. Yeah.

And, you know, 

Yes.

had to just let that go. I had to let that go. 

But the Vedic stuff was very interesting for me because that was with lha 

who was in the movie as well.

Lha and 

I did some work. 

Oh,

Donella. 

Donita. 

Laa 

Donella Reba. Yeah.

From the

Yes.

movie. 

Yeah. 

I did two bits of work with her and the most recent bit of work was about a year ago when I said to her, Letha, 

Letha, 

what is going on with my money situation? 

And 

she said, let's look at your Vedic birth report. And she said, you are here to heal your ancestors. You came in 

with this money bottleneck specifically to heal the ancestral. And I'm like, I've been doing that. What else have I gotta do? And then we started doing some of the Vedic remedies and that has been very powerful. But I guess linking back to the work that you 

you do as well and the link back to the movie is that 

Lilith gave me a lot of remedies, um, but it dovetails really well in with the ho 

prayer. 

prayer. As you're doing that ancestral work so much shame comes up. So much emotion, so much grief. 

and Sometimes it can be overwhelming and I would 

wake up in the middle of the night crying and just have to chant the ho of prayer. 'cause there was no, there was nothing else. It's 

okay, my subconscious mind has been tr processing some trauma there in the night.

I'm woken up for crying for a re for what my logical mind would say. No reason at all. I'm devastated right now. It's the middle of the night. I don't want to go into a panic attack, which was my old anxious way of being Its spiral into a panic attack. And 

the ho 

Hoon opponent 

prayer helped me to just repeat over and over again.

I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you. And then I would add in Namas day. Bless your soul, bless your heart. And 

just keep 

going and going until I would fall asleep. 

But

Yeah,

Yeah.

the ancestral work has been really powerful me, for me in the last six months.

And I think a lot of people don't really realize that 

and this would come in, I would assume in your 

shamanic work as well, is a lot of people, I think, if I'm gonna be stereotypically a lot of white people like me and you look at themselves and go 

I'm not from Asia, so I don't have ancestral rituals.

I'm not a a 

a 

an Native American Indian. I'm not 

from one of these cultures where we have a mantle and an altar and we have rituals and traditional practices for the ancestors. I don't even go to my parents' or my grandparents' graves like it's just 

they were there. They annoyed me, they love me, they left me some money, they die.

And then that's where the western culture lives. It doesn't it 

like in Mexico and in other countries around the world, they go, no, your relationship with your ancestors didn't stop when they died. And your DNA is com comprised of ancestral links that are impacting your life. 

And 

what I found really powerful is that journey of self love Is understanding that DNA connection with your ancestors. Does that kind of ancestral work come up in the work that you do as well?

Yes. I'm so glad you're bringing this up because for me it's been more recent as well, the, my own ancestral work and then and incorporating it with clients. And to your point that in Western culture it's so individualistic that I think, as you said, most of us may not really fully understand the energetics of our ancestral lines on our current lifetime and what we may be working through.

And the way I see it is that for so many of us as Lightworkers, we are the ones who came in to interrupt the line 

to break the patterns and to feel everything that has not been felt. In the line for thousands of years. Yeah. So I think that's why this time period for you, for me, for many like us, has felt so intense because we're not just feeling our own stuff from this lifetime or other lifetimes.

We are feeling the feelings from our lineage that have never been felt and we are the ones alchemizing it. So part of the work that I've been doing in the workshops here in the barn is a 

deep, honoring 

of, all of us as the lightworker, as the one who is breaking the pattern and how challenging that can be.

There's, no template for it. There's no modeling for it. We're figuring it out as we're going, as we're raising kids and running households. 

And also at the same time, a deep honoring of our line too. And there may also be anger. There might have been a lot of trauma from our line, from our parents, grandparents, other extended family members.

So just honoring all of it, honoring all of it, and that I see us, we're all the end point of our line and we carry all of it. We're carrying all of the feeling. also all of the gifts, all of the dreams. In one of my shamanic journeys 

had this vision. 

I was on a track, like a track and field track, and it was my maternal line on the track, and we were running a relay race.

And it was my great-great-great-great grandmother at the beginning. And then she passed this white baton to 

her daughter. And at the end, my mother in this vision passed. The white baton to me. I always cry when I say the story and I'm the one in my line to cross the finish line.

I'm the one in my line who is able to go after her dreams. It feels like I am the first one, Yeah. as probably you might be as many of us are, and there was a lot of trauma in my line. 

I, still am working through anger towards my line and at the same time I honor my line. They stayed alive. I stand on their shoulders.

I carry 

so much, that's positive from them. So it is deep. It is really deep.

Yeah. Yeah. 

Yeah. 

And I can hear it in, I can hear it and see it 

in, in your voice and in your face. It's, but it is not something that we westerners have been taught to even consider, is it?

No, I didn't even really consider it. 

I went to mainstream therapy as a client for 

years and years, which as we know 

is, just very cognitive base. Basically. It's about changing your thoughts.

Nothing about 

spent seven years in a PhD program in psychotherapy. Not one time did anyone mention a client's feelings, a client's intuitive voice, a client's dreams, much less our ancestors.

Yeah.

So we, we have been 

I would say severely misguided. By the mainstream mental health system as all of the mainstream systems in our society 

and they all need to be released. And I believe we are here to bring in the higher consciousness systems.

Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. 

And I think that 

that's 

what I see that is so powerful with men who step up to do the work 

in any way, shape or form at the moment, is that 

especially middle aged men 

I see in my own male friends 

I lost 

a, friend from university to suicide.

He drank himself to death. I can

speak to him in the spirit world now 

and, 

understand a bit more of his journey. But 

I 

was devastated, absolutely devastated. 

When I found out that the way that he died, because I was like, what is going on? 

Like my vision of him was just so shiny 

every time I was around him, my will was lit up with happiness.

Yet 

he went on his paths 

and, made decisions that caused mistakes 

and, marriage broke down and it ended his will for him. And I have other close friends who had really chronically struggling 

with depression and alcoholism and all of the things at the moment. And 

you can't just go around and hug all your male friends all of the time.

They've gotta go on their own journey. But what I see is the power in a middle aged man going, it's not okay. I'm not okay. And. Realizing that it's not just about the weight that they've had to carry in this life, right? But it's about their ancestral, it's the burdens. 

We women have had a lot of burdens as well, and that's a whole separate topic, but I think society as a whole has ignored this burden that the male has had to be the fighter, to be the warrior, to be the 

the, angry energy to be the protector. 

And what are we seeing? We're seeing epidemics of domestic violence because the male turns that around and goes, rah, I haven't processed any of that. None of my ancestors have, I have lineages of myself and my ancestors who haven't crossed over. And then 

they, just direct that anger and shoot people and murder people and what's at that inner court? A very sad, 

in 

inner child and a very sad DNA of lineage of men. Going back way past the Vikings and beyond that we're taught only one way of being, and that was rage and fight and war and 

conquer. 

I've 

been that in many past lives that I've had to discover as a Viking. 

And 

you 

the more men that can step up 

and step into a safe space um, 

if they don't feel safe to do that and express that emotionally and online 

to, actually take themselves and get on a plane and come to your barn tassel and work with you 

or whoever is safe to them. Because we don't, I don't think we really know who we feel safe with energetically to do the energy work until we 

connect 

with them. 

You go, you get 

this, sort of feeling and you go, that's my person, and it'll make you cry or you'll make you laugh, or you'll see a vision. 

But 

I would just like to say to any of the men that are listening. It's not shameful to do the work and to sit down and be present with your emotions. It's 

critical. 

Please, save yourself so you don't 

have 

you, you don't end your life like my friends. 

Please save yourself. The world needs you to save yourself.

I 

I couldn't agree more. And it's an epidemic with men 

and, with women too, but. Even harder for men in our society to feel their feelings. And I literally see it as the foundation for all the troubles 

in, society 

is not being present with our feelings. And as you said, that anger, it's there if we're not present with it and alchemizing 

it, can come out in violent, destructive ways.

What I have seen with my beautiful male clients is the ones who really 

who maybe the word is vulnerable, are vulnerable enough to love themselves, are the ones who really turn things around. 

I, just was working with a male client last night and we were doing some inner child work and. I, uh, I invited him to speak directly to his inner child, anything he wanted to express, and he was so loving to him himself, to his younger self.

He was so loving and 

he, he, gave himself a hug. And I was just struck by how open this client was to loving himself. Mm. And how sadly, in our western culture, especially for men, the opposite energy orientation has been taught to them to, to self-deprecate, to dishonor themselves, to belittle themselves, to stuff down their emotions.

So one of my favorite energies, words is honor. So just inviting men, women, all of us, to deeply honor yourself, to deeply honor your inner child, to deeply honor all of your feelings. To be because our society can be 

so, profoundly dishonoring, and I think that's one of the energies we can really bring into the five D new Earth is this energy of 

honoring, starting by honoring ourselves.

Yeah, absolutely. And 

I, think too, one of the things that 

we. Have to still be, and you spoke of it earlier with boundaries we have to be aware of, is that 

whether you're a male or whether you're a female, you need to be feeling safe in your relationships. And you do not need to mend a person. You can help them find their person to mend or heal with, but somebody's destructive behavior towards themself does not give them the permission to do that to towards you. And you need to be safe 

in that 

relationship because you do find that 

in midlife, broken people look for somebody who is somewhat more healed with them to heal around or with, but they end up being. That destructive element because they needed to go to a professional rather than 

find it in a romantic kind of a setting. 

There's a place for romance and healing, but if you've got serious work to do, you've got serious 

work to do privately. 

And 

in the, sanctity of a professional setting.

Right.

Yes, that is one of the things I see so frequently with clients is that they are focused and often drained relationally. Whether it's a partnership that is not really aligned, whether it's a parental relationship of someone at work 

we want to be so protective and territorial about our energy, our time.

If something 

is 

taking up a lot of space up here in our thinking mind, we're ruminating about something, it's gotta go. It's got to go because it's preventing us from tuning in to our higher self 

from, from getting those divine downloads. 

So 

we really 

want 

to simplify our lives as much as possible energetically.

That, and we really want to center the relationship with ourself and our higher self, a above all, because that's where all the treasures are. That's where 

we're, tuning into the quantum field. We have all the divine intelligence. So 

we want to be very focused on what serves my inner harmony, what serves my inner peace, so I can be at my highest timeline so I can listen to my higher self, the most clearly.

And I think that people sometimes miss, and 

I caught her with my own words when I said to you, I haven't. 

you know, Repartnered, but also it takes a strong person to stay single when the world tells you that you need to be in a relationship. 

And so I guess also to remind people 

if you go through a divorce or 

a significant relationship ends, there is no need to fix yourself by putting yourself in another relationship.

So you've got that box covered. 

As you said, with the boundaries 

you have to make sure that anyone that comes into your world next is 

super, the right energy, right? You, you've gotta protect that space.

Absolutely, and I do think it really serves us to spend. Some significant amount of time. 

It, could be a matter of years. In my case, it's been about 10 years alone because we're not alone. We're connecting with all the aspects of ourselves, including our higher self. And just as an example, I've mostly been alone over the past 10 years.

I, I had a twin flame relationship, but he lived in Canada and I lived here 

and 

he, did commit suicide a few years ago. 

It's a whole nother story, but what this 10 years has afforded me is a deep embodiment of my higher self. And I wouldn't trade that for anything. That is the best relationship we can have.

She's my person and yeah, I'm with her no matter what. And that it's created so much wholeness and embodiment within me that. Human relationships are 

like optional and not to put down human relationships. I love humans and I love human relationships, but it gets you to a point where you don't need them because you're so embodied with your higher self and it becomes a superpower.

So 

you, will not be in any relationship that doesn't serve you. 'cause 

you don't, have that need. There's no codependency. And something that has really come into further clarity for me 

particularly on 

my financial journey 

which was something that I struggled with for most of my lifetime.

I came into this lifetime to 

to heal that for me and my mind sounds very similar to what you expressed, is that it's actually the same process. So emotionally we want to come into union with our higher self. And financially we want to come into union with our higher self as well. Mm-hmm. 

It's 

the same process and usually the emotional process happens first, and then the financial process happens. And what I mean by that, the financial part is where is your higher self leading you in terms of work? I'm just saying this to the audience. What next best step can you sense that precious, intuitive voice, your higher consciousness voice, where is it inviting you next? That is the path to your greatest financial abundance and security.

It is. It is following that higher self guidance, just as it is with the emotional part. It's the same thing. So it is our higher self that will lead us to our financial sovereignty. It is not anything external. It's from within, just as all the emotional spiritual part is. It's the same thing. Our 

abundance 

comes from within.

It comes from our highest alignment with our higher self.

Interesting. 

And that's interesting because 

what I was about to lead into was that 

for listeners, you can find in every 

episode of 

of 

the podcast now a link to Dr. Tassels 

work. 

Because when I did the Zero Limits, 

I 

dunno if it was the masterclass 

the first, session 

that, we did, and you, we did a visioning thing, right? And I closed my eyes and I saw an image, which made me go, yep, I'm gonna help Dr. Tassel achieve her goals and bring people to her 

because it 

matched in, not exactly, but very similarly to an image that my mother said that she'd had of me since a small child. She said to me when 

I, I don't know, it must have been about eight or 10, she said, when I think of you, 

Katische, 

I see you in a convertible and you have a, either a headscarf on 

like a 1950s, forties, thirties, headscarf the tops down, or your hair's blowing in the wind and you're happy, but you're in a convertible. And when I closed my eyes in that visioning session with you 

you were driving the convertible and I was in the passenger seat and my hair was blowing in the wind, and we were going off to your next movie premiere.

Oh, 

Oh, I love it. 

And I was like, 

that 

is so interesting because it wasn't about anything else other than a visit 

an image of fun, right? It was fun. It was connection. It was friendship. It was somebody else's vision. I wasn't at the driver's seat. 

I, I noticed it straight away. It was not me driving. I was the support person or the support mechanism. It was like 

yeah. It was just one of those things that I was like 

that's it. Wow. 'cause it's 

when you see it, it in your psychic eye, you're like, that you you can't make it up. You're like, 

okay. I've seen that. Now. I don't understand it. I've seen it. I've felt it 

it, it, and 

it, replaces, it is like a healing image as well because um, 

in, past lives, I have seen myself. in A convertible 

many, times. But they have been associated with trauma. So a car accident, I've always been searching to find where the convertible went off the edge of the hill. 

like at one stage I thought, oh, maybe I was, and you get get a laugh at this. I thought I was, maybe I was 

princess Grace of Monaco.

'cause it was like that sort of an image of the figure of who I looked like the convertible that she went over in. And it's not her. I've done that past life, but do you know what I mean? I got that really strong image. And 

I found a positive lifetime where I had many convertibles, same sort of 

celebrity sort of style of a lifetime. And they 

balanced this out. But what I got from the, from that image, 

from that session with you was 

they 

with the past balancing act 

where 

there was trauma and positive right. This was a future that was me, that was not tangled with the past lives. So yeah, you have to trust that, 

that vision, don't you?

You have to go. I don't understand it, but I got that feeling and I'm gonna follow it.

Yes. Yes. I always say, how does it feel in your body, whatever you're moving through 

if you have a vision, if you're making a decision 

don't resort to the thinking mind, but just does it feel aligned in my body? Does it feel right in my body? 

Let the body lead.

Yeah, absolutely. Excuse me. You have to. 

We've been 

talking for an hour now, and I could speak to you forever, but I have to honor the fact that I need to get up and make sandwiches for my son's school lunch.

So, um, can you just round out. To let people understand the different opportunities that you've got that go from that link that I've got on my website.

So there's a whole bunch of stuff that they can work with you on.

Yeah. The, and the link you have is the one to the virtual workshop, or is it to the whole website?

I think I've got the virtual workshop at the moment, but yeah, I can put it on the whole.

Okay. Yes. So a really great way to start 

in this work in the zero limits mindset and tuning into our higher consciousness so we can be connected to the quantum field 

and 

the, greatest divine intelligence is to do a 

a workshop with us and we have the next one is going to be Friday, December 5th.

It's in the evening central time here in America, which I believe will be the next morning 

for anyone tuning in from the Australian, New Zealand area. So that is a great starting point. And on our website, it's called You are Your own hero.com. There are many events, there are many courses. 

Please come over and just say hello.

We just love to bring people together. I love meeting new people, and I really believe that all of us are brothers and sisters walking each other home. We're all on the same journey, and we all can love and support each other along the way.

Perfect. So yeah, that's in 

the, link is down, if you go to the episode notes, so the text underneath where you press the play button, there is a link to 

Dr. Tassels 

work there. So you can go and explore that. Thank you so much for joining me today. I really appreciate your time. And 

I can't look for, I can't look forward, I can't wait to hearing, looking forward.

Oh, I'm gonna 

just, delete that whole bit. 

So 

to see all the negative stuff just comes out, doesn't it? I can't wait to meet you in person and look forward to hearing the wonderful experiences that the listeners have with your sessions. So thank you very much.

Thank you so much, 

Katische. 

You're such a being of light. Thank you for being on the planet and all of your beautiful work.

Thank You You too.