Lawyers Without Billboards

Real lawyers, real talk—without the billboards. Lawyers Without Billboards is an unfiltered look at family law, hosted by the partners of Shewmaker & Lewis: Steve and Patty Shewmaker, and Jimmy and Alexa Lewis.

With decades of experience in divorce, custody battles, child support, alimony, and criminal law, they break down legal myths, share expert insights, and dive into real cases (sometimes with a side of humor).

Expect candid conversations, legal deep dives, and the occasional sidebar on pop culture, legal movies, and life as family law attorneys. Whether you're navigating a family law issue, practicing law yourself, or just enjoy courtroom drama, this podcast offers valuable insights with a dose of levity.

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Lawyers Without Billboards - Premier Episode

February 27, 2025 • Shewmaker & Lewis • Season 1 • Episode 1

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Welcome to Lawyers Without Billboards - Family Law, Unfiltered!

Hosted by the experienced partners at Shewmaker & Lewis, including Steve & Patty Shewmaker and Jimmy & Alexa Lewis, this podcast takes a no-nonsense approach to family law. We tackle real legal issues, including divorce, custody battles, alimony, child support, and criminal law with an engaging mix of insight, humor, and real talk.

Whether you’re facing a family law challenge, working in the legal field, or simply want to understand your rights, we’re here to provide valuable guidance and bust legal myths—all without the billboard gimmicks.

In This Episode:

The origin story of Lawyers Without Billboards.
What domestic law really means, from divorce to legitimation.
The myths and realities of alimony, custody, and child support.
Lighthearted moments, movie references, and behind-the-scenes stories from the courtroom.

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Narrator

Welcome to lawyers without billboards where we breakdown family law and other areas of the law. No gimmicks, no legal jargon. Just real unfiltered talk from real lawyers. Join your hosts Steve, Patty, Jimmy and Alexa Partners at Shewmaker and Lewis, a law firm based in Atlanta, GA.

Steve Shewmaker

Narrator

Every episode they tackle the legal questions that matter most. Divorce, custody, child support, alimony, and everything in between.

Steve Shewmaker

I. The.

Narrator

They'll pull back the curtain to give you rule insights on what happens inside the courtroom and beyond.

Steve Shewmaker

Well, everything with the everything out there has a beginning and an end. So this is the beginning of a podcast that we're creating and we're calling it attorneys without billboards, lawyers, lawyers, without billboards, OK.

Patty Shewmaker

I thought my boyfriend.

Steve Shewmaker

Let me write that down. Without billboards.

Alexa Lewis

Made it up.

Steve Shewmaker

I know I made it up but. Know I get. Lord billboards brought to you by the law firm of Shewmaker and Lewis right here in Peachtree Corners, which is really Atlanta, GA. Georgia, right? That's me, my wife and law partner, Patty Shewmaker and my law partner's Alexa and her husband, who's also our law partner, Jimmy. Alexa and Jimmy Lewis, me and Patty Shewmaker, and we started thinking about podcast, because let me tell you something, there's a lot of bad podcasts, I mean. Go out there looking, basically begging to find good podcasts. And it's just there's just not a lot of them. So then I started thinking, you know, how hard could it? And then I started also thinking, why would anybody want a podcast by a bunch of lawyers in Atlanta, GA? And I couldn't find a lot of them out there. So and the few I found weren't that engaging. I thought we should give it a shot. So I'm kind of excited about this. Is our introductory podcast. Now the purpose of this podcast y'all is to basically talk about the field of all we practice, which is primarily domestic law, family law, matrimonial law. Depending on what part of the country you're from and some aspects of criminal law and some other things that we do. And who would be our audience? Do you think? Our audience would be Patty.

Patty Shewmaker

Well, I think my mom will listen.

Steve Shewmaker

Yeah, I. I think Carolyn will probably TuneIn. About you, Alexis.

Alexa Lewis

Oh, my dad, for sure.

Steve Shewmaker

OK, well, besides our family members who also think might listen.

Patty Shewmaker

Oh, we can.

Steve Shewmaker

Potential client. We can make them listen. Yes, that's good.

Patty Shewmaker

We can make our associates listen.

Alexa Lewis

Yeah, we have employees, so you know.

Steve Shewmaker

That's. Yeah, compulsory participation is good, but no, but. It was, I mean, we talked to people for a living every day who call us for advice, pay us to talk to. We're paid to talk to them and give them basic advice. We thought a lot of the general public might want to tune into a podcast so they could learn about the basics of things like divorce, alimony, child support. And really, get rid of all the myths and misperceptions out there, right?

Alexa Lewis

Well, they seem to like our videos.

Steve Shewmaker

Yeah, some of our videos are pretty good. So this is kind of an expansion of our videos. Who else you think might want to listen to us, Jimmy?

Jimmy Lewis

Think people out there trying to figure. Their next step?

Steve Shewmaker

Yeah. Yeah, I'll tell you who else I think's gonna listen to us. Other people in the community in Atlanta. And when I say the community, other people who do what we do, people who may employ us for our niche areas, that we'll get into or people who.

Alexa Lewis

Lawyers.

Steve Shewmaker

May not have as much practice time and maybe looking to to to gather some information, maybe people who just know us who practice cases. Does he just driving down the road and they're bored and they're like, let's hear what that fool Jimmy and Alexa have to say this week. Maybe we may get some of that. So that's kind of a lead into the podcast. I thought. I think we'll get into the mission or mission statement kind of in a little bit, but before we do that, let's talk about the four of us. So about how many years ago was it? We formed the firm of Shewmaker and Lewis. Anybody remember 2019?

Alexa Lewis

Officially, yeah.

Patty Shewmaker

2019 yeah.

Steve Shewmaker

2019 and for and before that, for about 10 years, it was Shewmaker and Shewmaker.

Patty Shewmaker

In 2012, we became Shewmaker Shewmaker.

Steve Shewmaker

Right, that's. And if anybody here is familiar with, like the process of turning crude oil into gasoline, you basically boil crude oil through. Miles and miles of pipes to produce gas. And that's pretty much what we did with all of our associates for years and years until we were left just. Jimmy. Alexa Lewis, the two that right, the two that just well, you're as toxic as gasoline.

Patty Shewmaker

Partners.

Alexa Lewis

So we're gasoline then. Hey, you're welcome.

Steve Shewmaker

I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

Alexa Lewis

You bought this problem.

Steve Shewmaker

I know it.

Jimmy Lewis

Alexis more of race fuel and I'm just kind. 87 octane.

Steve Shewmaker

Dude if. Going to be fueled, you're going to be mogad.

Alexa Lewis

Chippies on lettuce.

Steve Shewmaker

Anyway. Ishu, primarily a domestic law firm. But firms that practice domestic law also have to deal with other ancillary issues. Law, sometimes bankruptcy. Things like. So we're going to talk about a lot of that stuff, yeah.

Patty Shewmaker

Hold on. Hold on, hold. OK, to be fair, because we throw this. A lot. What domestic law for the way person? Does that mean? I mean really?

Steve Shewmaker

I'll ask Alexa, she knows everything.

Alexa Lewis

Well. You said it, not me. Domestic law includes a lot of stuff. So it's going to include divorce. It's going to include custody issues, child support issues, contempt issues, so violations of any of those court orders, it's going to include legitimation and will go way more into detail.

Steve Shewmaker

Yeah.

Alexa Lewis

Essentially people. Who have children out of.

Steve Shewmaker

Right.

Alexa Lewis

We're going to talk about things like adoptions. We're going to talk about the ancillary issues that go into education that go into even some of the issues that we deal with with, you know, student. Stuff that's not technically domestic, but we're still dealing with families, we're dealing with real people.

Steve Shewmaker

Right. Yes. So so we're going to dedicate whole episodes to. To things like alimony, we're going to break that stuff down. You know, if I dump my whole ball and chain, does she get any any of my million dollar 401K we're going to, we're going to, we're going to get into all of that stuff, but kind of my vision and I hope you guys agree with.

Patty Shewmaker

It all, I get it all.

Steve Shewmaker

Is that we also spend some time from time to time talking about new cases that come out in Georgia that are related to these topics and how they may. Or change the law like the new child support laws are coming down the 2026 and and and I think there's some interest in celebrity divorces, though they may be in New York or California.

Alexa Lewis

I know we're talking about things.

Steve Shewmaker

Can break some of those down and talk about what those are. And ultimately, I think we may even stray from time to time into into other areas that are just interesting to us. I read a A case which we're going to have a whole episode about. Guys don't know this. A whole a case over in Europe.

Alexa Lewis

Surprise.

Steve Shewmaker

A case over in Europe where the the the husband divorced the wife and the grounds for divorces that she wouldn't have sex with him anymore. And she appealed that case up to like the the international Human Rights Court of Europe or something like.

Alexa Lewis

Mm.

Steve Shewmaker

And they said no, that can't be a basis. And I think we're going to have a spirited discussion about that.

Jimmy Lewis

Yeah.

Steve Shewmaker

Later date. Yeah, it's a good case. And I read it and I thought about it and I thought this would be the.

Alexa Lewis

Hold set that one out.

Steve Shewmaker

Of a good episode because we. We could loop in the bases for divorce. In Georgia and how that compares, we could talk about a lot of things that may not even be in Georgia, but they might be. To people, right?

Patty Shewmaker

Well. First, don't you think people would to hear about who we are?

Steve Shewmaker

Yeah, I think.

Alexa Lewis

How about that, Steve?

Steve Shewmaker

All right.

Alexa Lewis

We can start talking about you first, OK?

Steve Shewmaker

That's exhausting.

Alexa Lewis

So tell no kidding. Tell the people.

Steve Shewmaker

Yeah, I know.

Jimmy Lewis

For for us, not for you.

Alexa Lewis

Right. Tell tell the people where you're from.

Steve Shewmaker

Well, that's a hard question for. I'm from lots of different places, but the answer would be I'm really from right here. I I moved around more than military kids move around all the way up through the time I graduated from high school. So really, any place I lived more than about 3 or 4 years I consider home so my. The Montgomery, AL, Birmingham, AL, El Paso, TX. But then when I got in the army right after college and I was in. So Hawaii is a home of mine, but ultimately Central Texas is also near and dear to my heart. But ultimately my wife and I landed here. In 2001, both both of us came here to go primarily for me to go to law school. We both ended up going to Georgia State and we've been here for over 20 years now. Our daughters, her only home, is here. So. I'm really from here now, OK? Sounds good. It's the best I can do.

Alexa Lewis

Well, OK, so with all of that going on, all the moving, all the, you know, the army stuff.

Steve Shewmaker

Yeah, yeah.

Alexa Lewis

All that what? What made you go to law school? Why did you be a lawyer?

Steve Shewmaker

Um. I like to teach and I think I.

Patty Shewmaker

I gotta interrupt here.

Steve Shewmaker

Yeah, go ahead.

Patty Shewmaker

He wanted to be a prosecutor.

Steve Shewmaker

Well, I hadn't gotten there yet.

Patty Shewmaker

He wants law and order, law and order, like constantly.

Alexa Lewis

Tell the real story.

Steve Shewmaker

I'm not finished. I'm not finished. That is true as a captain aboard captain at Fort Hood, Texas in the late 90s. I did lay on my couch and watch a lot of law and order. That is absolutely a fact. But I've always been a teacher. It's one of one of my my faces. One of my aspects and I I realized earlier in life, I think that most lawyers do that. Lot of what you do is lawyers to teach people which were going to get into a lot of thinking this podcast. But I also like to fight. I like to be in the fight and you know you can't always be a track star or always be on the football field, you know, like Jimmy. Eventually you get old, even if old is 22 and certainly. And arenas. But as a lawyer, I can fight forever. I. I like to help people and every once in a while, not every day, but every once in a while I like to do some justice.

Patty Shewmaker

Alexa, why did you become an attorney?

Steve Shewmaker

Yeah.

Alexa Lewis

So when I was little, my dad, as as you all well know, I enjoyed.

Steve Shewmaker

Chickens are Legally Blonde.

Alexa Lewis

I know I wasn't, you know, I appreciate the fact that you think I'm that young that I was a child when I saw Legally Blonde. I'm think that as.

Patty Shewmaker

Compliment. We think you're a child now.

Steve Shewmaker

I'm 25 years older than you. Every day of the week, so you're always going to be a child to me.

Alexa Lewis

I love you so. I just hope you know that. I'll take that. I'm.

Patty Shewmaker

Wait, you're 25 years older than her.

Alexa Lewis

I'm perfectly OK.

Steve Shewmaker

Wait.

Alexa Lewis

87.

Steve Shewmaker

Well, you.

Patty Shewmaker

You're 19 years old now.

Alexa Lewis

Were. 19 years older than me.

Steve Shewmaker

Old. You're.

Patty Shewmaker

Oh my gosh.

Steve Shewmaker

Hey, but you can still call me Daddy.

Alexa Lewis

Absolutely not.

Jimmy Lewis

My God.

Alexa Lewis

Under no circumstances is that.

Jimmy Lewis

Gonna strike that from the record. No, no.

Alexa Lewis

Oh, wait. Whatever it is, what it is, it's.

Steve Shewmaker

Alright, keep going. Keep going.

Alexa Lewis

It's it's at least it's. He says this **** to me all the time. So when I was little, my dad commented to me as I was. We. Probably nicely call a bossy child that I should be a lawyer. 'cause I like to argue when I was good at it and so when I was going through school. Kind of just. Focus on that and turns out I've liked it and I was pretty good at it.

Steve Shewmaker

When you're getting a.

Patty Shewmaker

Good at it. Just tell me please. Would be in our next episode.

Alexa Lewis

Please. Please.

Patty Shewmaker

Jimmy, what about?

Jimmy Lewis

I read too many John Grisham novels when I? A kid. You think?

Patty Shewmaker

You think life's a John Grisham novel?

Jimmy Lewis

Exactly. You should be careful. 'cause John Grisham.

Steve Shewmaker

John Grisham is not very keen on divorce and domestic wars. If you that's a theme running through his books. You don't like us, OK? Not a lot of.

Alexa Lewis

People like us.

Jimmy Lewis

No, realistically I wanted to help people.

Alexa Lewis

They just don't know us.

Jimmy Lewis

This like a.

Alexa Lewis

Fat engineering classes were really hard.

Jimmy Lewis

And there were no girls in them.

Alexa Lewis

Well.

Steve Shewmaker

How? About that.

Alexa Lewis

You know what happens.

Steve Shewmaker

How about you? Tell us how you got into the law while you're doing it.

Patty Shewmaker

Well, I. I just got too old to strip. So I had to find another career.

Steve Shewmaker

There you go.

Patty Shewmaker

You know, let's keep it interesting, folks.

Jimmy Lewis

Wow, you know. Claremont Lounge has no age limit.

Alexa Lewis

It's true.

Steve Shewmaker

You know, I am going to.

Alexa Lewis

True.

Patty Shewmaker

No, no, no. There there's some self-imposed age limits when you look in the mirror you like. No, I.

Steve Shewmaker

I am going to want to.

Alexa Lewis

Had a good run.

Steve Shewmaker

I am going to want a sidebar button on this. This is only the introduction, so I'm going to want to sound sidebar button, but I would do a sidebar right now I'd hit a button that goes sidebar and I would say this part part of the podcast. I really do want. To tie in the community. So I am going to. Going to legitimately sidebar. I did go to law school to primarily be a prosecutor. Reasons why that didn't work out. But one of the reasons that I was open to domestic law was a guy who's I'd like to call him a mentor of mine. I don't call him enough. But I admire him so. You know who I am talking about.

Alexa Lewis

Jim McGinnis.

Steve Shewmaker

Jimmy Gomez, Jimmy Guinness. Right. And he's.

Patty Shewmaker

Shout out to Jim McGinnis.

Steve Shewmaker

The yeah, absolutely. The Jim McGinnis. I was in the very end of law. I think it was my third year and I took a class taught by an adjunct professor. Means a real lawyer with a job who came in at night to teach classes.

Patty Shewmaker

Yeah, but I remember. You did not like him at first.

Steve Shewmaker

Oh no. The first meeting, the first of fourteen classes with Jim McGinnis, it was clear to me he didn't like me and I didn't like him.

Alexa Lewis

Sorry, Jim.

Steve Shewmaker

At the end of that 14 weeks, I think that changed both ways. And what Jim McGinnis taught me was that I'm. I'm almost going to get choked up now. He taught me that you could be a domestic lawyer, which I always thought from books and TV was sleazy people who taught me that you could be an academic. You could be a statesman, you could be classy. And there's probably lots of people out there listening to, like Shewmaker. Been to court with you. Are anything but class. See what?

Alexa Lewis

I've seen you lay on the floor so.

Steve Shewmaker

Well, that's a whole other story for another episode.

Patty Shewmaker

Yeah, that's during court, by the way.

Steve Shewmaker

But the point being is that Jim McGinnis showed me the light. He showed me the way and I've always been grateful for him to him for that. That was my sidebar, but.

Patty Shewmaker

Jim is Jim's good.

Alexa Lewis

Peep Jim's a good dude.

Steve Shewmaker

He's. Maybe one day we'll get him on here. So where were we? Sorry for that sidebar.

Alexa Lewis

Oh, I don't. I was going to ask you about your favorite movie or something, so at least we can understand who you are on a more personal level.

Steve Shewmaker

Oh, we're back to me again.

Alexa Lewis

We're back to you. Yeah, I.

Steve Shewmaker

Back to me, my favorite, my favorite movie.

Alexa Lewis

Well, Patty circled the circle, the table. We're back. Yeah.

Steve Shewmaker

Well, I mean, movies are so vast. They capture the human experience. You have to give me a subset an area.

Alexa Lewis

No, you do this to people. The. What's your favorite movie? You got to pick one.

Steve Shewmaker

OK, absolutely. Talladega nights.

Alexa Lewis

There you go.

Jimmy Lewis

If you ain't first or last.

Steve Shewmaker

That's right. Right. Well, son, you could be second. Could be.

Jimmy Lewis

Hell, you could even be 4th.

Steve Shewmaker

And I will say that Ricky Bobbye father and that movie does remind me terribly a lot of your father.

Alexa Lewis

He doesn't smoke, but yeah, he's he's the best.

Steve Shewmaker

'S. No, I mean, I have dozens and dozens of favorite movies, and it's really it's really and people, people listening, like how? Dozens of one thing.

Alexa Lewis

Oh, that's easy.

Steve Shewmaker

Depends on. It depends on the style or the OR the the subject area.

Alexa Lewis

That's. I'm just saying you wrote the.

Steve Shewmaker

I didn't.

Alexa Lewis

You included me asking you what your favorite movie was. Brought this on yourself.

Steve Shewmaker

I probably did. Well, what about you, Alexa? Your favorite? It can't say Legally Blonde.

Alexa Lewis

I wouldn't say Legally Blonde. I would probably say. Let's think a movie. I would watch all the time, no matter what. How I would kind of consider my favorite. My cousin Vinny easily anytime.

Steve Shewmaker

My cousin Vinny.

Alexa Lewis

It's on TV. I will watch it. If not that Happy Gilmore.

Patty Shewmaker

And that's really the qualifier of a of your favorite movie. If you're a flip into the channels and you see it, you stop and watch it.

Alexa Lewis

And it's.

Steve Shewmaker

On.

Alexa Lewis

Oh yeah, it's going on and I'm going to watch it most likely till the end.

Steve Shewmaker

It's not always true. There, there are some movies that are so bad that they're good or they're so bad they're funny.

Patty Shewmaker

Yeah, you're going.

Steve Shewmaker

You can't stop.

Alexa Lewis

To say you're the only one who thinks that.

Steve Shewmaker

I can't stop watching what? I OK if if we're going somewhere on a Saturday and the TV is on and I happen to hit the channel and there's and there's Dennis Hopper doing his thing. In Waterworld my wife's going to like grown. She's going to, like, throw something.

Alexa Lewis

I have just stuck there now.

Steve Shewmaker

Me and say. You have to go well, OK. What's your favorite movie? And don't say boogie nights.

Alexa Lewis

And you can't say Talladega Nights because Steve already claimed it.

Jimmy Lewis

Point Break, point break.

Patty Shewmaker

So originally I.

Steve Shewmaker

Jimmy actually has a point break original movie poster framed hanging in his office in a law firm. Thanks to me and Alexa has it.

Narrator

Was.

Jimmy Lewis

Thanks to you.

Steve Shewmaker

Cousin Vinnie poster in hers? Yeah.

Alexa Lewis

I do. I do brings character.

Steve Shewmaker

That's that's right.

Alexa Lewis

All right, Patty, what's your favorite movie?

Patty Shewmaker

So you know, using the qualifier that if I'm flipping through the channels and I see it, I'll stop and watch it.

Steve Shewmaker

Oh yeah.

Patty Shewmaker

Devil Bears Prada.

Alexa Lewis

Oh, great movie. Great movie. Yeah.

Steve Shewmaker

You know Meryl Streep. And that film does remind me a lot of you.

Patty Shewmaker

I love Meryl Streep and that.

Steve Shewmaker

I love you, but. But there it.

Jimmy Lewis

Is.

Patty Shewmaker

You know.

Steve Shewmaker

I really like in that movie and he's one of my favorite actors of all time is Stanley Tucci.

Alexa Lewis

Oh, he's amazing.

Steve Shewmaker

And and everything. Yeah. Oh, no.

Patty Shewmaker

Yeah, except lonely bones. Way.

Steve Shewmaker

Bones. Awful. The lovely bones, first of all, is is an amazing movie that I refuse to ever watch again.

Alexa Lewis

Lovely. And it was terrible. Ever.

Steve Shewmaker

But I. He got an Academy Award nomination or something for that.

Alexa Lewis

If.

Steve Shewmaker

Somebody look it. I think he either got the Academy Award or got nomination for that role.

Alexa Lewis

He was too good and it was so creepy.

Steve Shewmaker

Amazing.

Alexa Lewis

Yeah, 'cause, we watched. It was like the only thing on when we were in we.

Steve Shewmaker

OK.

Alexa Lewis

Iceland, yeah.

Steve Shewmaker

So. So it's clear to everybody that's listening that we, we are really fans. Probably.

Jimmy Lewis

Like legal movies, legal movies, right?

Steve Shewmaker

Well, you know, honestly I would. I would do a pod.

Narrator

Part legal.

Steve Shewmaker

I would do a podcast movie on legal movies. That are impactful, that that you watch and you're like and you're like something in there motivates me to be better.

Alexa Lewis

Were that are stupid.

Steve Shewmaker

That would be interesting.

Patty Shewmaker

Man.

Steve Shewmaker

12 Angry Men it's a good one.

Alexa Lewis

Well, then we need a separate one. Are just really. And here's why we're just not legally sufficient in any way shape or form.

Steve Shewmaker

Yeah, I I would be more than I would be absolutely motivated to do one on unrealistic legal. But I'll tell you one of the best legal movies, and I would I could dedicate an entire episode to it, not the new series. Presumed innocent, but the original 1989 movie with Harrison Ford in it, and Raul Julia. Raul Julia plays a defense attorney named Sandy Stern, and I can still. That's one of the things I can. I can watch the scenes in that movie over and over again and say maybe one day I'll come across that smooth that good because that is just really good in that movie. I. I would do. I would talk about that.

Patty Shewmaker

So now let's get back to the podcast.

Steve Shewmaker

Back to it.

Patty Shewmaker

Yeah. So and and Steve, you're really kind of the, the. Founder, engineer. What's your vision for this podcast?

Steve Shewmaker

Well, I think I've already said a lot of it. To really highlight and in some cases. Promote the the domestic legal community in Atlanta or in Greater Georgia. To to also educate lay people. On some of a lot of the fundamentals to educate other attorneys, maybe younger attorneys that that are off on their own don't have a ton of good mentorship or any that may want to listen in and pick up things. Know we would probably get to the point where we encourage those kind of people to call us up because we get a lot of those calls anyway. You know, I'd love for some. Attorney to call me and say have a listen to your podcast. I got a question for you. Mm. Know, yeah. You got those are some of my visions. I mean, ultimately I'd like to see in this podcast where we bring in as guest speakers some of the people that assist us. Or even even people that we compete with that we think are really hot, that that really do good work.

Patty Shewmaker

Oh yeah.

Steve Shewmaker

It's not always about us where the we're the four. I. I would gladly bring into somebody that I compete against and say, you know, let's have your.

Patty Shewmaker

Perspective on things I didn't tell you. All our daughter Molly wants. Be a guest speaker.

Alexa Lewis

Of course she.

Narrator

And I said, I said what?

Alexa Lewis

So I talk about horses.

Patty Shewmaker

And then she's like, well, I don't. She's like I have lots of good things to say.

Alexa Lewis

How about growing up as a child of divorce?

Patty Shewmaker

Well.

Alexa Lewis

Who's grown up with two essentially an aunt uncle who were divorced. Lawyers from her perspective.

Steve Shewmaker

We've had even thought of that, but that's not. Bad. Just this morning. Just this morning we were getting ready upstairs in our room talking.

Patty Shewmaker

I would love to hear that.

Steve Shewmaker

What were the two areas we came up with?

Patty Shewmaker

Well, one of one of the topics that we're going to do in a future episode is criminal law that teenagers should know. I mean, you guys heard Molly come out from the basketball game last night complaining about the smell of weed at the game.

Steve Shewmaker

Yeah. And and I know that there's teenagers, but teenagers turn into college students and Alexa heads the firm on our Title 9 representation in.

Alexa Lewis

Which is pervasive everywhere but.

Narrator

Yeah.

Steve Shewmaker

Colleges and I I have told high school seniors and college students if I were in college today, I wouldn't have sex with anybody.

Alexa Lewis

Nobody too scary.

Steve Shewmaker

I would stay. From be careful, be careful. Be careful. Be careful.

Jimmy Lewis

Yep, that would. That.

Patty Shewmaker

Keep. Keep it clean.

Jimmy Lewis

That's not necessarily your decision.

Patty Shewmaker

That's true.

Jimmy Lewis

OK, that implies that somebody wants to do that act with you.

Alexa Lewis

That's true. I.

Steve Shewmaker

Jimmy the movie Boogie Nights was loosely based on my 20s. Know that.

Jimmy Lewis

Marky marks about to come through that door and smack you.

Alexa Lewis

Yeah, right.

Steve Shewmaker

OK, anyway.

Alexa Lewis

Yes, I it was.

Steve Shewmaker

Know that's that's that's an awkward moment.

Alexa Lewis

Great.

Steve Shewmaker

Patty Shewmaker

My vision. Let's. Probably 10% educational and 90. How is it you put a Jimmy pure?

Jimmy Lewis

No, I I I said that we were going to give 110% on this podcast. 10% law, 10% instruction on the law and 90%. Sorry, mom. Pure *******.

Steve Shewmaker

Here's Zachary. Pure. Sure. *******. OK. If we're going to do that, let's have another sidebar getting ready for this this morning. You came to me and told me that your wife, Alexis sitting right there, said I need something non alcoholic to drink during this podcast.

Alexa Lewis

No, no, not alcoholic E.

Jimmy Lewis

I'm. Not.

Steve Shewmaker

Alcoholic eat. And you said like what? She said. Where's the Prosecco?

Jimmy Lewis

No, she didn't even say that.

Patty Shewmaker

No, no.

Jimmy Lewis

I just knew what that meant.

Alexa Lewis

No, I said. Do we have any Prosecco or something non alcoholic because it's 9:00 in the morning? And I'm sorry, you're the only one with liquor. Your cup so well.

Steve Shewmaker

Not anymore.

Alexa Lewis

Fairpoint touché Sir.

Steve Shewmaker

My Bacardi is I have drained my.

Jimmy Lewis

Bacardi probably need to cut that. I.

Alexa Lewis

Why? What's the point?

Steve Shewmaker

I don't. So anyway, yeah, what's the point? So we all have a similar vision and we're going to coalesce these visions over time.

Alexa Lewis

Well, you're gonna be genuine. Yeah. I also think that part of it is is making our area of law, number one, more accessible to people, right, because we do deal with the general population on a daily basis. And I feel like the vast majority of people. When they call us initially, they don't know anything about what they're calling. They just know they're in a situation that they either didn't create or they created it and they don't know how to get through it.

Steve Shewmaker

They don't know what they're calling about or or they've been misinformed by somebody else. Right.

Alexa Lewis

Exactly. But I also think we got to bring a little bit of levity to it because it is a tough topic.

Steve Shewmaker

Oh yeah.

Alexa Lewis

Like we're dealing literally with families who are breaking apart or have already broken apart, or we're never really a family, but they're trying to navigate the world as if they were.

Steve Shewmaker

Yeah, mm. Yeah.

Alexa Lewis

So bring a little levity to that can help.

Steve Shewmaker

Absolutely.

Patty Shewmaker

I think so.

Steve Shewmaker

You know, that's a practice point which maybe we'll get into and, you know, help people listening that might want to call us. Who are not lawyers might think, OK, these people are. They have a sense of humor, but the learning point here for maybe younger attorneys. Hell, even older attorneys might be it's OK to not be so stiff and to have a sense of humor, OK? I mean, I'll tell a story, right? I walked into a console with a client not that long ago and I'm keeping this as generic as possible, and this client had gotten caught in an affair. With a coworker you've been caught by his wife, who also worked with him so. So this is a. This is a tight situation. So he shows up in my office for the consult. And there's a lady with him. And I introduced myself as she introduces herself to me.

Alexa Lewis

Not a great move.

Patty Shewmaker

Damn, I'm gonna tight spot.

Steve Shewmaker

Not sure who this is. I said. Is this and and and the guy says yeah, this is the lady I'm having the new relationship with and I said.

Jimmy Lewis

And.

Steve Shewmaker

I said, yeah, well, paramore's a fancy word. We'll have to define that later, but I. Looked. I didn't use it in this. I looked at her and I looked at him and I looked at her and I looked. With him and Patty's associate, Bonnie is sitting next to me, and everybody's quiet. Was like, check out the balls on you. And he had to laugh because you know.

Alexa Lewis

'Cause you asked you.

Steve Shewmaker

Yeah. So you know, yeah. And it's kind of a theme of mine, if you can get people laughing, whether it's a potential client coming in or your client before court or a judge in the courtroom.

Patty Shewmaker

Yeah.

Steve Shewmaker

If you can get people laughing, they're going your way.

Patty Shewmaker

You you connect.

Steve Shewmaker

OK.

Patty Shewmaker

Yeah, that's how you connect.

Steve Shewmaker

You. Yeah, you may not.

Patty Shewmaker

Laughter is connection, yeah.

Steve Shewmaker

You may not be able to take a complete a complete bag of **** and turn it into a win, but you might be able to soften the blow.

Patty Shewmaker

Make it smell less exactly.

Steve Shewmaker

Yeah. So.

Patty Shewmaker

Well, I I hope that we also have a good time.

Alexa Lewis

Like we're already.

Steve Shewmaker

I think we're already having a good time.

Alexa Lewis

I think we're already having a good time.

Steve Shewmaker

So let's let's transition real quick, Jimmy.

Patty Shewmaker

No, no. And then we got to wrap. 1.

Steve Shewmaker

Well.

Alexa Lewis

More transition.

Steve Shewmaker

Alright thing, Jimmy.

Patty Shewmaker

One more, one more side sidebar.

Steve Shewmaker

Jimmy, tell me one thing about you. Nobody else knows, but maybe. And your wife?

Alexa Lewis

I've got a good one for him.

Steve Shewmaker

Well, whisper it to him in his ear.

Alexa Lewis

Oh no. He knows what it is.

Steve Shewmaker

What's one thing?

Alexa Lewis

You weren't here for practice the other night.

Steve Shewmaker

What's one thing about you that nobody knows until right now? Come on. Say it.

Jimmy Lewis

No.

Alexa Lewis

I'll say it then.

Steve Shewmaker

Alexa, what's one thing about? That nobody knows until right about now.

Alexa Lewis

You won't get this, but the majority of our listeners and our associates will. Currently Reading 4th Wing.

Steve Shewmaker

4th wing.

Patty Shewmaker

Yeah, that's what that is.

Alexa Lewis

It's it's a book. Trust me, he certainly doesn't want.

Jimmy Lewis

I had to. I had to figure out what all the fuss was about.

Steve Shewmaker

Is that some kind of magazine?

Alexa Lewis

No, he. No, no, no, no.

Patty Shewmaker

It's a it's a some sort of smutty. No it it.

Alexa Lewis

It's it's no Dragons.

Jimmy Lewis

It's it's Game of Thrones for girls.

Alexa Lewis

You. Something like. But our two associates will be.

Steve Shewmaker

Even more. Even more game of throne, even Game of Thrones. Was Game of Thrones for girls?

Alexa Lewis

Nothings. Nothing's more Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones.

Steve Shewmaker

So we got you. Tell us one thing about you that nobody knows.

Alexa Lewis

See, I had a hard time with this because I'm I'm kind of an open book. I don't really have anything that nobody knows.

Jimmy Lewis

I'm mad at you.

Alexa Lewis

Do I have anything in nobody? Anything nobody knows you would know better.

Patty Shewmaker

Alright, moving on.

Alexa Lewis

I know I was thinking about this. Don't I?

Steve Shewmaker

Don't know nothing.

Jimmy Lewis

Everybody knows you love your cat more than me.

Patty Shewmaker

What's something about you, Steve, that nobody knows?

Jimmy Lewis

That's not.

Alexa Lewis

It's a lot harder than you think it is.

Steve Shewmaker

Well, I broke into a woman's prison one time.

Alexa Lewis

Everyone knows that.

Steve Shewmaker

The four of us know all kinds of stuff about each other. Talking about the people out there, even people out there.

Patty Shewmaker

OK.

Steve Shewmaker

Know us well, yeah.

Patty Shewmaker

Yeah, Steve broke into a woman's pro prison.

Alexa Lewis

I can still do a standing.

Patty Shewmaker

How he met.

Steve Shewmaker

But now that we have refined this, Alexa, let's go back to you. Something about you?

Alexa Lewis

I can still do a back flip.

Steve Shewmaker

I don't see you doing evacuate. To go to, but we don't.

Alexa Lewis

I don't have a mouth. If I, I will bring them at at some point and bring it down here and I will do it for the podcast.

Steve Shewmaker

You know, I I'm old enough to remember Christopher Reeves before and I. I don't really need to be watching Jimmy, will you? Around because you thought you could do a backflip?

Alexa Lewis

Yeah. No, I know for a fact that I think don't you worry.

Patty Shewmaker

Yeah, Steve, on that.

Alexa Lewis

No, I'm. Shut your mouth. No.

Steve Shewmaker

Aren't you, like 40 years old?

Alexa Lewis

No.

Jimmy Lewis

If if she's 40, that makes.

Steve Shewmaker

Maybe. Well, 5959, be careful.

Narrator

59.

Steve Shewmaker

We covered this.

Jimmy Lewis

I'm sorry. He rounds everything up.

Steve Shewmaker

All right, all right. I'm gonna do patties for her. One thing that most people know about Patty while at the United States Military Academy at West Point, this is yes, I can.

Patty Shewmaker

Oh, you cannot tell everybody this. This is so misconstrued.

Steve Shewmaker

Going to tell the world, West Point, the Military Academy where Patty went and graduated, she. Got ad in a class called Team Handball Handball.

Narrator

No.

Patty Shewmaker

Not team handball.

Alexa Lewis

Just regular handball.

Steve Shewmaker

She got AD, which is one level above an F. And I think 4 levels below in a which is normally where Patty lands on everything she does is an A.

Alexa Lewis

Still not passing. It's true.

Steve Shewmaker

So Patty got a D in a handball. There you go. Yeah.

Patty Shewmaker

And on that note, thank you for joining us for our inaugural podcast. And we hope that you will join us for our next one.

Steve Shewmaker

Absolutely.

Patty Shewmaker

That's it. That's how would you guys think?

Jimmy Lewis

It's a cut but.

Alexa Lewis

Do I hit? Do I turn this off? Hey, hey, rob. Rob, do I hit this?

Steve Shewmaker

Yeah. I.

Narrator

That's it for this episode of Warriors without billboards. If you found this episode helpful, make sure to follow and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. For more resources or to get in touch with us, visit Shewmakerandlewis.com. Thanks for listening and we'll see you next time.

Steve Shewmaker

Oh.

Alexa Lewis

Oh.