Ep. 56 - Catching up on the Farm w/ Jake Engelen: Part 2

We picked up right where we left off with Jake Engelen and got into the farming side of his story. What made him choose regenerative practices, why he thinks “organic” has been watered down, and what he saw on farms that completely changed how he looks at labels.

We also talked through what regenerative actually means in real life, from moving animals the way nature intended to why chickens, geese, and farm dogs all play a role in the system. Then the convo took a turn into bees, honey, and how even “healthier” swaps like almond milk can have consequences people don’t see.

We closed on what feels like the real takeaway: if you want clarity, go to the source. Visit a local farm, ask better questions, and pay attention to how you feel when you’re closer to real food and real land.

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Transcript

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SPEAKER_05 0:50

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unknown 1:04

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 1:04

Good job.

SPEAKER_05 1:04

Because I messed it up last time. And we're back for part two with Jake from the farm. Not from State Farm.

SPEAKER_02 1:15

Oh, yes. Worked that in. Love it.

SPEAKER_06 1:20

We heard that earlier today from them as well. I get it 900 times a day.

SPEAKER_05 1:24

So, you know, previous episode, we kind of talked, we bounced around a little bit. You know, we talked about military experience, transcendent include, how that helped you become a Wall Street guy, how they'll help you become a farmer. Now we're talking about farming life and what that looks like nowadays. We know, kind of touched on, but you've experienced some recent growth. And you think, you know, people are more aware, so they're kind of transitioning to products like yours now. What as you jumped into farming, what made you jump into farming that way into that regenerative style of farming?

SPEAKER_06 2:06

I was already familiar with regenerative farming when I was uh on the trading floor. Shipping in a lot of my food, getting raw milk, getting meat from the Amish. I was already familiar with maybe not regenerative farms uh per se. I don't know if the term was there, but chemical-free farming and doing it in these natural ways. So I was already familiar with that. I grew up in Minnesota on uh uh a lot of land. My stepfather's uh dad was a dairy farmer, he split up all of his land to all of his kids. So I grew up with my cousins essentially on 120 acres of Minnesota. Like constantly outside. My grandmother had this massive vegetable garden hunting. My I guess my step uncle continued raising cattle and had a Christmas tree farm. So I was like around farming. Um and then the only thing that really made sense to me from a health perspective was doing it in this way. So then I took I quit. I took six months. Well, I worked remotely for six months to finish a project on the desk, and then traveled the country and looked at all of these regenerative farms and did a bunch of farm training. Saw a lot of different operations, organic included. So then this is where I learned that organic is a complete BS. So I didn't want to go that route. And then uh economically it just made most sense. The easiest barrier to access was probably chickens from a cash flow perspective and a business perspective, right? I think the the canoical or the old farmer um example is chicken and egg money, right? It comes every day. So uh just kind of chose to go that way.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

And that's also what you need first for the chickens to help build up soil and everything to sustain larger.

SPEAKER_06 4:02

So I had inert inert soil which didn't have uh can't sustain good grass for uh like bovine animals.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 4:12

Organic complete BS. What did you see that you that turned you off to it?

SPEAKER_06 4:21

There's a plethora of chemicals you can still use. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 4:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 4:25

That's one. Yep, yes. And then two, uh you can try the organic solution, like the non-chemical solution. If it doesn't work, it's a okay. You spray it. So like I I tried this thing a little bit, didn't work. Spend zero money on it, right? Very limited, and then just use whatever you want. And then that and plastic mulch. Plastic mulch. Plastic mulch. All the old all like all the weed netting and things like this. It's all like microplastics just being baked into the soil, right? Wow. I didn't even think about that.

SPEAKER_03 4:57

Yeah, makes me feel great on the inside.

SPEAKER_05 5:01

All these problems with microplastic, people are identifying it as anything. Totally okay with organic.

SPEAKER_06 5:06

Totally okay.

unknown 5:07

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_05 5:07

We're out here peeing microplastic. Like the the the test on people with microplastic, they're saying you have, you know, the the the what they're putting out is that people have a credit card's worth of microplastics in their brain.

SPEAKER_03 5:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:24

And these are like forever chemicals, right? Like this stuff stays in your body what once it's in there.

SPEAKER_06 5:29

I heard sauna's help with that. Have you guys looked into that? I don't know if there's any efficacy in this.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

I've seen ways that you can detox microplastics, but I haven't looked into it very much. Um, I don't know how they're excreted because I just don't I can't wrap my mind around it very well. Because to me, you know, microplastics, it's still a hard material, right? And so are we seeping it out through our skin? Is it, you know, is it coming out through our bowels? Is it coming out through our urine? I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 6:02

So saunas are part of detox protocols. Um, essentially, the the theory is that you are kind of bypassing your system, if you will, to purify like the kidneys and the liver and that sort of thing to get stuff out. And I've even heard people that jump in a sauna for a prolonged period of time and then when they, you know, wipe themselves down, there's like soot almost always coming out of their pores. Um, but I don't know yet. Okay when it pertains to my own. I don't know either, but I just button.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

Well, I mean, because sweating is a is a method of excreting things, right? And if you I remember when I used to play soccer at K-State in the middle of the summer, and if I ate like crap and drank a lot, my sweat was was bad. Yeah, you know, so yeah, same way you sweat out alcohol and that sort of thing. It makes sense. So sauna would help expedite that, yeah, right? Because you just you sweat at a higher rate while doing yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:03

So theoretically it makes sense. I don't know. Microplastic specific, I don't know how that how that works.

SPEAKER_01 7:09

But that's why I always tell people it's important to poop every day. Because if you're constipated, that bad stuff just sitting in your colon.

SPEAKER_05 7:14

So colorectal cancer being a very high, you know, I can't even do it.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

Increasing and younger.

SPEAKER_05 7:21

Yeah, and younger. Anyway, so organic, you're like, nah, this ain't it. It it's it's a bastardized term.

SPEAKER_06 7:28

No, then I went to a bunch of regenerative farms and it was like Eden. So I don't you don't have to be that smart to smell and look and see and touch and feel and feel the energy and you know, um, and it just made sense to me. So then I found a model and then ran with that, and here we are.

SPEAKER_05 7:47

So let's real quick, you know, lay out regenerative for people that have been like, what what's that? What's regenerative? You know?

SPEAKER_06 7:56

Yeah, I think it's just soil-focused. Uh conventional farms have kind of depleted the soil of all of its nutrients. Obviously, better soil, better plants. If we eat the plants, more nutrient dense. If animals eat the plants and we eat them, then it's better. So that's pretty much it. You're just talking about a soil-focused. And when I say soil focused, I mean you want to keep the microbiome intact. You want roots in the soil, you want root exodus from plants in the soil, you want fungi and protozoa and all of that soil microbiome intact. And there are ways to do that. So I think there are many ways to do it, and it all falls under the umbrella of regenerative.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

Yeah. And so quickly explain how that would work out. Say you had cattle on your farm. How would you keep the farm sustainable? Like, do they just the cows are here or the chickens are here and they stay there, or like what goes on?

SPEAKER_06 8:48

Oh, sure.

SPEAKER_01 8:48

So uh or even how like what you do right now, you move your chickens around, right?

SPEAKER_06 8:54

Right. Yeah. So the there's symbiotic relationships between ruminant animals and birds, and this is ubiquitous throughout nature. Uh, birds essentially pick through animal manure for worms and bugs and things like that. And they also spread that manure uh to get a more homogenous dispersal of natural fertilizer. So you really want the pasture to rest. So a lot of regenerative farmers practice rotation. So, what rotation does is obviously grass grows. This is free feed for your animals. Um and then you want that pasture to rest. So if you have the animal chew down too much of that plant, it will eventually start ripping that root out. And you really want those roots to stay in the ground uh to protect from the sun. So the sun will bake the soil and then obviously uh a lot of insects in the soil want moisture. So this is like a concept. Um then there's kind of a lot more that goes in. I don't know if you want me to go into like symbiotic relationships between where it's animal and plants, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:59

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 10:01

No, do it, explain it. Oh, okay. So no, I think people need to understand. Sure, sure. So who I learned it from was a guy named Alan Nation. He did a bunch of regenerative farming. He might be the grandfather of it. I'm not exactly no, there's some guys that can't be for him, but uh in South Africa, he ended up regenerating uh a lot of barren land. And what he noticed is in the Serengeti, there is uh the great wildebeest migration. So you essentially get rain. After rain, you get uh kind of an explosion of grass growth. It turns out the most I'm not a scientist here, whatever type of sugar is in, say, teenage grass, uh is best for for animals and especially like nursing uh animals or pregnant animals, um, you get the most amount of energy from that. And I'm maybe this isn't obvious, but ruminant animals can convert this sugar into protein, essentially is how that works. So what happens after? So the rain comes, grass grows, uh, they go into a place called the Ngoro Ngoro Valley. Uh, you can Google this. This the great, I don't know if it's called the Great Wildebeest migration, but the I think it's great. The wildebeest migration in the Serengeti. Um after that, of course, predators come, but then also birds come. And then what happens is on their way back, all of that land has had plenty of time to rest because they have calved uh on pasture. And there's a there's a bunch of cool uh things that nature is baked in. Not that it has anything to do with regenerative farming, but it's very flat in the Ingorangoro Valley. So not only can you get a massive herd in there which protects their calves, uh, they can see very far for these predators. So it's it's cool how nature has almost figured out everything. So I spend a lot of time on my farm just simply observing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 11:49

And a lot of it is basically supporting that process that already exists in nature, right? That's that's yeah.

SPEAKER_06 11:57

For instance, I use temporary electric netting for the chickens and I move that, and naturally a chicken will roost in a tree at night to get away from predators. So what I've done is set up on trailers uh nest boxes and places for them to roost. So at night they all go up. I button up these doors. It's it's instinctual. Um I button up those doors and I have no predator issues. So I've almost eliminated my I mean, there's hawks and things, but I have geese and roosters for that and dogs. But simply by making one observation that a chicken will hop in a tree at night, I now have no predator issues.

SPEAKER_03 12:36

Nice.

SPEAKER_06 12:36

So I don't need to do any any kind of like weird stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_05 12:41

What what's with the geese in the in the roosters? Geese are me. I know they're like watchdogs, but what do you think?

SPEAKER_06 12:48

Same with the roosters. So the roosters got like 600 girlfriends, you know? So if a hawk comes down, he's like down. He's like we're roosters the black belt.

SPEAKER_05 12:57

Yeah, he's like, we fighting, bro. Not not up in here. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:01

I'm gonna name the rooster. I I named him Smith and Wesson, but I might name him Gordon Ryan or something. That's yeah, yes. And he wants to fight a hawk. He wants to fight whatever. Yeah, he's like he attacked my mom the other day. Yeah, he's like, You got too close to my girl, you know?

SPEAKER_02 13:15

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_06 13:16

And the geese are like early detection, like yeah. The geese, I think, is more for coyotes. They're just super loud. So if I walk up there at night, the goose is just going off. Coyote wants to like come, take your chicken and bounce. Yeah, but then you get a big goose like whang, whang whang, whang whang.

SPEAKER_00 13:30

They're like a little car.

SPEAKER_06 13:31

Yeah. We also have electric netting, right? So that helps as well. But that's it's a little shock. Like my dogs eat the electric netting, no problem.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

Well, I I figure, especially like coyotes and things like that, once they figure out like the shock's not so bad, or they get shocked a couple times, then they're like worth it, you know? So most animals will do that. Um, what type of dogs do you have?

SPEAKER_06 13:53

Half Great Pyrenees, half Antulion Shepherd.

SPEAKER_01 13:56

Oh, how many farm dogs?

SPEAKER_06 13:57

Those are real farm dogs. Yeah. Lucy and Dakota. Nice. Those are real farm dogs. Oh, they're probably a hundred pounds now.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

Oh, you got them as puppies?

SPEAKER_06 14:07

Yeah.

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Nice.

SPEAKER_06 14:08

They're like they just turned one in August. So I understand.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

Who's um because I know they have a pack mentality, so who's who's Alpha?

SPEAKER_06 14:14

We had to separate them.

SPEAKER_01 14:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 14:16

Because they have litter mate syndrome.

SPEAKER_01 14:17

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06 14:18

So I don't know if it's the breed, but they started like going to the death.

SPEAKER_03 14:21

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_06 14:22

Like bad, bad. Wow. They're super tough dogs.

SPEAKER_03 14:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 14:26

One of them got the other one by the neck, and I thought it I thought she was gonna kill her.

SPEAKER_03 14:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 14:30

So I just grabbed her and started punching in the back of the head, like as hard as I could. I thought I broke my hand, didn't let go, like 15 straight punches to the head.

SPEAKER_03 14:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 14:37

And then finally they separated, and now we have them separate. Those are big dogs. Males won't do it.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

Oh, they're two females.

SPEAKER_06 14:44

Yeah, they won't fight to the death. Women come on. One will become dominant, and then that's it. Yeah. But with females, they just go and go and go and go. But I they're like half pets, half farm dogs, so I don't want to let either one of them go. But now we have two farms. We're just waiting on some fencing, and I'll move one over.

SPEAKER_01 14:59

I wonder if you get a male if it would if it would be and then it would even it out.

SPEAKER_05 15:07

I don't want to try. You know, I I've always it's bad, bad, bad. Yeah, with a lot of dog people, they say always do two boys or do a boy and a girl, but never do two girls, because that's what happens. Girls, well, I think y'all just don't let it go, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

Careful.

SPEAKER_06 15:25

I didn't, I didn't I didn't know.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

And then But also the I don't know anything about the litter mate syndrome. So how much is that?

SPEAKER_06 15:32

I got Dakota first from a farm up north, and then Lucy came to me like six months old. I'm not exactly sure what was going on at the farm, but there was something going on, and she followed our Instagram and she was like, You treat the dog so well. Can Lucy come live with you? So then I took her later on.

SPEAKER_03 15:50

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_06 15:51

I don't know if the dog was being abused or what was going on. Lucy had Dakota.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

Yep. Lucy was the problem. Lucy, that's why Lucy left her other farm. No, but that's why Lucy left her other farm.

SPEAKER_06 16:02

They were the goat has attacked Lucy plenty of times, too.

SPEAKER_01 16:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 16:06

Like it'll kick off at any second, you know? Yeah. So we just separate them now.

SPEAKER_05 16:10

Yeah. It's funny because that's like those dogs, those two specific breeds, that's their purpose, right? To be in these farms and like protect livestock from coyotes and things like that.

SPEAKER_00 16:21

Haven't they interacted with any coyotes, either of them yet?

SPEAKER_05 16:24

Oh yeah, they've both got coyotes and raccoons.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

I see.

SPEAKER_05 16:28

Yeah, they're huge and they're they're mean. And you know, when I see one of those dogs like living in an apartment, I'm like, ooh, that ain't it. Not for that dog. They're so big, too, you know.

SPEAKER_06 16:37

They're not good with other dogs. They just think it's a something territorial. But they're really good with people and kids.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

How are they with what other you have sheep?

SPEAKER_06 16:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

How are they with the sheep?

SPEAKER_06 16:50

They're still puppies, so they like to play.

SPEAKER_01 16:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 16:52

Which isn't good because the sheep are pregnant right now.

unknown 16:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 16:54

So they don't interact with the sheep at all. Gotcha. We just have them very close to the farm store and kind of close to 441. So there aren't really any predator issues over there.

SPEAKER_04 17:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 17:04

What's up with the sheep? Like what are what are we doing with the sheep? For lamb? For meat? Yeah. They're a hair sheep, so they don't have any wool. So it's too hot to do wool.

SPEAKER_05 17:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 17:13

There's all I mean, I don't even know if people are using wool anymore. Which wood. Yeah, I think it's cool. I think it's a lot of work. And we have all these textile plants, but uh there's not economically, it doesn't really make sense.

SPEAKER_01 17:25

Yeah, because if you get straight wool, because when I was in Scotland, I got a wool hat like off of a farm. Like we stopped and I got it like off of a farm.

SPEAKER_06 17:35

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 17:35

It's great. It stinks.

SPEAKER_06 17:37

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

I was wearing it in the car. I'm like, what is that smell? I'm like, oh, it's the hat.

SPEAKER_05 17:44

Well, I I think it's one of those things that gets better with age, right?

SPEAKER_01 17:48

I mean, I still have it.

SPEAKER_05 17:49

If you wash it and wear it, it'll it'll take the the smell and the shape that you want it to.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

I mean, that's unfortunately not what most people want. Yeah. Right? They want it.

SPEAKER_05 17:59

I um this reminded me because I saw this video on Instagram of this guy, like a blue-collar guy explaining car heart, because this other girl posted a video of like how she got this car heart overall, but it was so uncomfortable, right? For her, it's a fashion statement. Oh, sure. For him, he's like, explains like it's uncomfortable because it's meant to protect you from you know, dual blue collar stuff, right? And he's like, and you'll have to, it'll last you 20, 30 years of wearing it, and then eventually it'll wear down to where it's quote unquote comfortable, but it has a purpose, right? And he's explaining like, if you start wearing this stuff for fun, the quality is gonna downgrade because they're gonna start catering to your little fashion trend. And me, the guy that needs it to for work, is not gonna get the product that I was paying for originally, right? You know, and he goes to so wool might be a similar thing, right? I um this kind of goes to show too, we should probably be wearing more wool, cotton.

SPEAKER_01 19:03

Well, the good thing about is that it has a presence, especially within the hiking community, for um performance wear or whatever you want to call it. Socks under because a lot of my um base layer stuff, my socks, things like that are wool.

SPEAKER_05 19:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

And it it is a natural and that's what when we went to Dubai and we spent that day out in the desert, but we had to wear pants, I was wearing wool pants because they're temperature regulated.

SPEAKER_06 19:33

So nature's got it figured out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It really does. The more we get into nature and the more we get away from all this other stuff. Like I just spend hours on the farm. The other day I worked until I don't know, I think 12 30 at night. I was exhausted. And I just laid down in the pasture, I looked at the stars. Fell asleep. I didn't fall asleep. I could have fallen asleep. Yeah, yeah. One of the dogs came over. It's crazy. That does a lot for your body, too. So good. It was like all the fulfillment. There's not no amount of money that could have given me the same feeling.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 20:05

Not anything. And what did I do? Like kill myself that day? 17, 18 hour day.

SPEAKER_00 20:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 20:10

You know?

SPEAKER_01 20:11

But it's like you feel good about it. Yeah, so good. Like physically draining, but not mentally. Whereas if you spent 18 hours in an office, you wouldn't have moved your body at all, but you would have physically been or mentally been done. Yeah. And that's I hate that feeling. I currently experience that.

SPEAKER_05 20:29

Well, I there's something to be said about the way that things were ordained, right? And, you know, when you farm a certain way, you're talking about the symbiotic relationship between the animals and the pasture and the and the ground and how the soil feeds the grass that feeds the animal and all this stuff. You know, chicken spreading manure that that revitalizes the ground and all this sort of thing. And I don't think we've, this point has been driven into the mainstream enough that the more we interrupt this things were working like this before we showed up. You know what I mean? And the more we interrupt that process, the worse things tend to get. Right? And here we are trying to 3D print meat. 3D print fish meat. That's a that's the one where I'm like, yo, you are going too far, bro. 3D printing fish? Yo, come on now. And you know, coming up with all these wild sprays and stuff for the farms. And meanwhile, the result, right? The fruit of all that labor is sick people. Yeah. Sick people.

SPEAKER_01 21:41

Well, I think that it is becoming more aware because recently they've had to reintroduce like wolves or bears that they previously had driven out, and then it's, you know, downhill effects messed up the order of things, right? So they're bringing them back in. Also, I just want to, because I saw this about. Bees, right? Because everyone gets up in arms like the bees are gonna die. And now, like, I know purely from that how much of an impact a bee has on all of our like health and the life cycle of things, right? Now, I also saw something with almond milk. You saw this, right? That almonds are only are mainly farmed in California. The majority of them are. There's a small window for which they can be farmed. And in order to get all of the almond plants pollinated, they ship in bees to be able to do it. And as a consequence, a ton of bees die in that transportation process. And they basically overuse them in that short amount of time to make almond milk, which is fake milk. Stop drinking almond milk.

SPEAKER_06 22:46

Well, that and the water consumption. That too. Yeah, way more water than what a cow would drink, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:52

Way more.

SPEAKER_06 22:52

Can you like it's it's environmentally detrimental? And all of those almond groves are monoculture and they're all sprayed.

SPEAKER_03 22:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 23:00

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 23:01

It's it it it's also hilarious that because almond in the grand scheme of things of nutrition, it's not that great. Oh.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

No, I mean it can be almonds can be beneficial, but it's like any nut.

SPEAKER_05 23:13

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:14

How much do you have to have to reap the benefits of it?

SPEAKER_05 23:16

The whole thing, if almonds were the most nutritious food that we could eat, I'd be like, okay, maybe it's worth, you know, negotiating a little bit and sacrificing here and there to produce so that everybody could get some almonds because they these are super nutrient dense, but they're not. They're not that nutrient dense. They're not that great. They're not the best. I guarantee you a lot of that. Not the most nutrient-dense food ever. So what are we doing? Why are we raping the land like that to get these almonds?

SPEAKER_01 23:44

And the people advocating for bees are probably drinking their almond milk latte.

SPEAKER_06 23:49

How will we thrive if we can't drive over the concrete and the Starbucks uh drive-through, get almond milk latte? So we won't survive as a civilization. You know, nope.

SPEAKER_01 23:59

I just think people, you know, they're like, milk is bad, raw milk is bad, it's killed people. Let me have my oat milk, my almond milk, my soy milk. But it's the same thing with um lithium batteries. These are great, but you don't look into the how they're manufactured, how they're made, the impact that the manufacturing or producing of these things has on nature because it's hidden from us.

SPEAKER_05 24:22

Go beyond that. The source of material to make the lithium battery is slavery, essentially, in Africa.

SPEAKER_06 24:30

Well, there's definitely a humanitarian issue with solar and batteries, 100%. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

But I don't think people were being fed, well, it's an agenda propaganda, whatever, that oh, this is better, this is better, almond milk is better. But if almond milk kills a bunch of bees, it consumes a bunch of water for a very small amount of time, is it worth it?

SPEAKER_05 24:50

For something that is the nutrient payload is not that great. Right. It's not better than cows, it's not better than eggs, you know.

SPEAKER_00 24:57

But it's fortified.

SPEAKER_05 24:59

Yeah, whatever.

SPEAKER_06 25:01

The insanity. So yeah, the bee issue is a big issue. They transport thousands of bees, even worse. So shout out my my beekeeper.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 25:10

Uh her name's Amber. You can check her out at Ambi Assembly. She's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

I saw that little thing on Ambi, Amber. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 25:18

She's super cool. She's super talented. Um But she she gives me a lot of info about bees, and it really wrecks local bee communities as well. Because what happens in the north when it's frozen, uh, they bring all of these commercial bees down here, and then it bees rob each other.

SPEAKER_00 25:37

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06 25:38

So she she was asking me, she said, Hey, where is this hive on this farm? And can you circle it? We we have a large acreage now, so she wanted a map. And she was saying all of the bees in this one section are getting robbed.

SPEAKER_01 25:49

So when you say they're getting robbed, robbed of what?

SPEAKER_06 25:52

Honey and resources.

SPEAKER_01 25:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 25:54

So bees will fly into a colony and rob other bees. And she sees it way worse when all of the commercial beekeepers come back. So not only are we destroying the environment in California, we're also decimating local beekeepers here, right? With this commercial activity of bees, where it is it is just a commodity, right? It isn't a a living, thriving thing. Um, she does super cool stuff with uh educational tours. She'll like put you in a bee suit. Yeah. If you guys are interested, come by the farm. And the world of bees is like a world of its own. I had no idea. There's so many cool, I mean, we could talk about this all podcasts.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

Well, I'm reading um the Biblio Diet. I've talked about it every episode almost. But they have a whole section on honey, beeswax. There's a bee, the the help me out here, okay? The propolis. But then there's also like royal jelly. Yes. Yes. That, and then there's something else like the bee uh pollen? Something, but they all have unique health benefits to them. And then is it the royal jelly is what makes the queen so big? It's prioritized for her.

SPEAKER_06 26:59

They feed it to the queen and then it naturally grows.

SPEAKER_01 27:02

Right.

SPEAKER_06 27:02

Way way bigger. Yeah. And then they produce their own queen. So if they're queen, everybody thinks the queen runs the hive, the hive runs the hive.

SPEAKER_03 27:09

Right.

SPEAKER_06 27:10

So if the queen isn't producing, they will just kill her and make a new queen.

SPEAKER_03 27:13

Yeah.

unknown 27:13

That's wild.

SPEAKER_06 27:14

But the the royal queen. It's brutal. They'll actually fan her and heat her to death. That's crazy. Inside the hive. So the hive makes all of the decisions. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:24

America. It's ruthless.

SPEAKER_06 27:27

Sometimes they'll make multiple queens, and the old queen will figure out she's getting pushed out and she'll go and kill them in their uh cell. Nice. As they're growing. It's ruthless, but ruthless. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

Um, but I mean, everyone's heard of whether, I mean, whether you're aware of it or not, the propolis, is that how you say it?

SPEAKER_06 27:47

Yeah, I've heard it called propolis, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

No, that you're probably right.

SPEAKER_06 27:50

I just farm chickens.

SPEAKER_01 27:51

Propolis, um, it's a in a lot of um immune health things, specifically like cough drops, sore throat, stuff like that, and that's an immune-boosting thing, like there's a throat spray with it to help with immune. It's fascinating.

SPEAKER_06 28:06

It's antifungal, antibacterial, anti-something else.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

Yeah. But my question is, because it doesn't say in this book, harvesting that because like honey, we take honey from bees and it doesn't necessarily kill them that I'm aware of if we take their honey.

SPEAKER_06 28:20

So I think the way in which Amber does it is we don't take all of their honey. What a lot of commercial beekeepers will do is take all of the honey and then feed sugar water.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

Oh no, no, no. But I mean, you get really some unnutrient dense honey.

SPEAKER_06 28:32

So if you take some of it and let them get to the next uh oh, I guess refill.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_06 28:40

I forgot the technical term here. You'll have to talk to my beekeeper. Um drawing a blank on it. But anyway, the next time flowers bloom, right? Or we call it a bloom, the next, the next uh bloom, then they can get more resources. So you just make sure you leave them enough. And you don't have to feed sugar water because sugar water honey is garbage.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

Right.

SPEAKER_06 28:58

So if she feeds sugar water, which is very rare, it's to like save a colony. Okay and then what she will do with that first flush of honey is either sell it as something called baker's honey or just toss it. We don't sell that to the general public because it's garbage.

SPEAKER_03 29:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 29:11

Right.

SPEAKER_05 29:12

I saw posted something on Instagram, a lady talking about her kids and allergies. Yeah, that was cool. The real honey.

SPEAKER_06 29:18

Yeah. What was that? What was she saying? Like her kids were having really bad allergies this season, and she tried a bunch of stuff, and then she came to our farm and grabbed her honey, and she was like, it's the only thing that works. So now she's back every week.

SPEAKER_01 29:29

It's almost like little inoculation of local pollen. So that way they build up an immune response. Yeah, it's raw. So there's already calm down from the immune response.

SPEAKER_05 29:37

Ah, fam, why didn't she put them on Zertec and Claridon and all this other?

SPEAKER_06 29:42

That's wild. Yeah, it's pretty cool. We have a lady that comes, she had eczema and put beeswax skin balm. I think it has coconut oil and beeswax and shea butter, something like that. And essential oil if you want to scent. And she said it cleared her eczema. We're actually sending some of it to a friend of a friend who has a kid with eczema that wants to try it. I'm not a doctor, but I don't know. You just put some beeswax in the case.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

Well, I'm using a lotion that has the it has beeswax, propolis, and colostrum in it. It's tallow-based. Yeah. So it's good.

SPEAKER_05 30:22

No, this this is crazy. I think it just goes to show, right? Like, don't interrupt. Yeah, nature's gotta figure it out. They gotta figure it out. Don't interrupt, right?

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SPEAKER_06 32:28

Propolis is the glue that they use to kind of uh seal the hive, and then they regulate temperature through the entrance.

SPEAKER_02 32:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 32:35

Um so that's just so bacteria doesn't get into the hive. And I think uh the bees keep it very clean. Like the only bee that poops in the hive is the queen, and then she has like a team that takes care of her. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 32:49

Like if a bee dies in the hive, they will throw it out the front door. Yeah. So it's very clean in there. So that's propolis. Yeah, royal jelly is what they feed to. I think it's a pretty arduous task to get it. She doesn't get a lot.

SPEAKER_00 33:01

Right.

SPEAKER_06 33:01

Um, I'm not exactly sure how she goes about choosing which cells to grab it from. I would have to ask her. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 33:10

Because I'm just very interested in that because you see all the potential benefits of it, but it's obviously they're using it for a reason, they're producing it for a reason to use, so it's not like I want to go in and like strip them of that, but so I you know, I want to support using these things if it's sustainable. But if it's not, then no.

SPEAKER_06 33:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:31

Yeah, she's maybe we should have her on just to talk about bees.

SPEAKER_06 33:36

You should definitely have her on. A hundred and fifty million percent. I can make up the bee world that you could talk for five hours about all the bee stuff. That she's like really good. It's funny because I mean there's not too many people that do it without chemicals.

SPEAKER_03 33:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 33:50

So varroa mite is something that will decimate a bee colony. And there's not too many beekeepers in the area that don't spray for varoa mites. She actually gets shunned at like beekeepers' conferences for not doing it. They think they're doing good.

SPEAKER_00 34:01

What do they think it does?

SPEAKER_06 34:02

Well, it kills the mite, so you can save the colony, so you're saving the bees, right? But then all of that chemical gets into your honey and your pollen and everything else, right? Um heat.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 34:12

So if you place them in the right area, like Florida's a little bit cheating in the beekeeper world because there's no winter. But winter also kills all of these things. So they don't like it too hot. So she's figured out all of these natural things, and she can speak a lot more eloquently than I I just like get past information.

SPEAKER_02 34:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 34:29

Um But yeah, I mean I mean, she has, I don't know if you call them techniques or through pr through practice, she's learned how to how to do it all pretty naturally. I mean, yeah, there's zero chemicals she sprays. I don't I think you want bees that have the right genetics to fight off varroamites. So if you let them die for the varroamites, then you don't get those genetics in the area. So it's a little bit of a long-term play.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_06 34:57

But when you're using bees as a commodity, right? And all you need to do is extract money from them, of course, sugar, water, spray, whatever, right? Just keep the produ bees producing honey.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

Have you had to plant flowering plants to facilitate the bees, or you just kind of let the bees find it? Because they'll go and find it.

SPEAKER_06 35:15

You don't have to Yeah, I think they'll go up to three to five miles to find forage, and then we let everything grow naturally, right? I don't seed. So you get a lot of something called Biden's Alba, which everyone thinks is a weed. It's actually like nature's ibuprofen. You can chew the leaf. But that flowers almost year-round.

SPEAKER_02 35:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 35:32

Um palm trees. So I don't know who coined this, but it instead of saying like wildflower or orange blossom, right? This is like bees that sit in a monoculture. So the the term is polyfloral.

SPEAKER_02 35:47

Yep.

SPEAKER_06 35:48

Meaning they can get it from tree pollen or f or flowers or whatever is around. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:54

That's useful for allergies because some people you want diversity in honey too, right?

SPEAKER_06 35:58

You don't only want honey from almond trees.

SPEAKER_01 36:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 36:00

That doesn't make sense in nature.

SPEAKER_00 36:02

Yep.

SPEAKER_06 36:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:03

Fascinating. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 36:05

I didn't even think you could go that deep on bees. Oh, you can go. I mean, I am scratching the surface. I'm scratching all the things.

SPEAKER_01 36:11

Well, think about it, because if you if you kill off all the bees, that's a huge repercussion for civilization.

unknown 36:19

No.

SPEAKER_03 36:19

Right.

SPEAKER_01 36:20

So because of that, they're very complex, which is why I want to dive into them more. Because if they were simple, killing them off wouldn't matter.

SPEAKER_05 36:28

But and then the nutrient density of honey is pretty wild too, and medicinal properties of it is also pretty intense.

SPEAKER_01 36:36

Honey's in the Bible.

SPEAKER_05 36:38

Yeah, it it's been a we've been eating honey for a long, long time.

SPEAKER_01 36:41

A long time. And it's also the land of milk and honey. It's it's associated with health, comfort, rest, right? And it's a value because of it. Exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:53

So I it I think what kind of made me curious about honey was realizing when I learned that like 70% of the honey in the market is complete BS. Yeah, yeah. Maybe oh my God. I that one threw me for a loop. I'm like, I'm just over here looking at all these honeys and trying to pick one and the raw honey and this and that. And then it's like, oh no, that stuff isn't even farmed right. You know.

SPEAKER_01 37:14

Is honey affected by the maybe you don't know this, and it's okay.

SPEAKER_06 37:18

Because I'm there's many things I don't know, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 37:21

If I put honey in my coffee, does the heat destroy the benefits of it?

SPEAKER_06 37:24

Yeah, there's natural enzymes in the honey, so you just don't want to do it too hot. I think it might be. Don't quote me on this, anything over a hundred degrees.

SPEAKER_03 37:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 37:33

But don't quote me on that number. It might be book 20, but there's definitely beneficial enzymes in raw honey that if you heat it, it is not good.

SPEAKER_02 37:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 37:41

Just because you know.

SPEAKER_02 37:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 37:43

That's that's an interesting one.

SPEAKER_05 37:44

Because you know, you bake a lot with it and that's what it's whereas, you know, that little spoonful of honey that makes the medicine go down is different than when you sweeten something with honey or use it to bake, which obviously that's gonna be better than putting, I don't know, frickin' sucralose in there. For sure. But you're not gonna get the full cabow of the benefits of honey if you eat it, right? That's something of note.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

Honey on top of butter toast.

SPEAKER_05 38:11

Oh no, you're killing it at that point. Sourdough bread with raw butter and honey on it. Come on now. Come on now.

SPEAKER_01 38:17

So, um, sorry, I went off a little bit of honey.

SPEAKER_05 38:21

The honey tangent.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

Well, honey, like I can't think of the right word to say, but drilling you with honey questions.

SPEAKER_06 38:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:29

But recently you went to White Oak Pastures. Is that right?

SPEAKER_05 38:34

Amazing place.

SPEAKER_01 38:34

Yeah. Yeah. They were one of the first regenerative farms that I learned about through a podcast.

SPEAKER_05 38:39

Yeah, I remember years ago, I was listening to this Power Athlete Radio back in the day, and they had the guy from the Savory Institute on. Yeah. And he was talking about, you know, basically building out what is white oak pastures and how they've transitioned them into what they are now. Um, how was that? That I've White Oak Pastures is probably the flagship regenerative farm. God bless them. So, how was that? How was that trip? Did you feel like? Was that like a pilgrimage of sorts?

SPEAKER_06 39:08

I met Michael Jordan. Like Greg Judy, Will Harris, Joel Salatin, these guys, right? If there were famous farmers, that would be it. So I mean, the guy didn't have to do any of this. He he's like a seventh generation cattleman. Here's a farm, cattle operation, fully good to go. You can chill, right? I'm sure it's, I mean, not chill, but you get what I mean. Like it's already gone. Here's the package, right? You don't have to do any of this. And he converted the whole thing to fully regenerative. It's like the sickest story ever. You know, so it even Yeah, I mean, hang out and learn from that guy. I took a course up there. I've been up there four or five times at this point.

SPEAKER_00 39:48

Like, what course did you take?

SPEAKER_06 39:50

Um, they have something called the Center for Agricultural Resilience, and it was a two-day course essentially on um regenerative ag. Uh they have sheep and cattle and goats and chickens and pigs and many acres of garden vegetables. Um I mean, tons of agro tourism they're getting into now. Distribution, marketing of regenerative products. I mean, the whole nine.

SPEAKER_01 40:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 40:18

Just packed into two days. It was a lot, but it was unbelievable.

SPEAKER_01 40:21

From what I've seen, like on their website, you can they have uh facilities where you can stay on the farm?

SPEAKER_06 40:26

Is that they've got tons of cabins, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 40:29

They've got a lake house, they've got all oh yeah, you can go up there and rent a house, you can bring an RV. How big is that operation? Five thousand acres. Farming, that's amazing. They've got two separate herds. I think they've got three thousand head of cattle. It might be five separated into two two herds. I know they uh they separate the bulls. Um yeah, I mean, watching they have thirty-acre paddocks that they move to every day. So they rotate every day 30-acre paddocks. And to see that many cattle go through a gate into a new paddock and like chase fresh grass is like the coolest thing ever.

unknown 41:09

You know?

SPEAKER_01 41:09

Or do they use dogs to help move them?

SPEAKER_06 41:11

Or they got like one guy, uh their cattle manager's name, Scott. This guy's awesome. He was a recon guy. Nah. The guy's awesome. The guy's awesome. Of course. Recon to a cowboy. Yeah. Nah, he's a full cowboy. They used to cowboy there. Yeah. They used to like full cowboy on house horseback. That's how they did it forever. But I guess the regenerative system, you can kind of uh since you're moving them every day and not like chasing them in wide open fields, they've set up these individual paddocks and there's a map of how they get around the entire farm. So the cattle are almost waiting at the gate so they know. So as soon as you open that gate, they want fresh grass. Nice. So the cattle are almost all trained to just do it.

SPEAKER_03 41:47

I see.

SPEAKER_05 41:48

I uh when we were recently up north in Crystal River and we went, you know, we always when we travel, we try to get an Airbnb and we kind of go grocery shopping so we can make some of our meals and not have to eat out all the time. Um, and we went to the grocery store and I was sh sifting through the beef and I saw the oh, it's like they got white oak pastures before. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, grab that, you know, and it does like. I mean, when you look at them, I'm like, this looks different.

SPEAKER_06 42:18

It just it just does. It tastes different.

unknown 42:20

Yep.

SPEAKER_06 42:21

If you get any of their ribeyes or their New York's, they only had the ground beef at the store. Yeah, I think that's all they do this far south.

SPEAKER_01 42:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 42:28

We have premium cuts at our farm from them. Um but the fat is yellow, completely yellow. Not white at all. The taste is different, as long as you know how to cook it right, because there's not a lot of cortisol in those animals. Like they roam 30 acres every day. Like they're not stressed out at all. Ever. So you just gotta kind of cook it low and slow, and then a hammer at the end. And it's like, I don't, I can't eat regular steak, you know. I used to be like a big Wagyu fan, but Wagyu's pretty much like a sick animal, right? I've heard that. You know what?

SPEAKER_01 43:02

Go into that because I think because I was I just sent this to you. Um one of my coworkers, uh Capitol Grill down in Boca has a Wagyu pairing special going on right now where basically you get like Wagyu burgers paired with wine for X amount of price, so you can try different things. And we've always been attracted to Wagyu, but please educate me.

SPEAKER_06 43:22

Yeah, well, I think so. There's some people trying to do regenerative wagyu, which is the type of cattle, and I don't, I've never tried it. I don't I know there are some people trying to do it like the right way. But I mean, to get that kind of marbling in a cow, you have to feed it a lot of crap, right? It's hard to do. So white oaks, when I was up there, they said we don't claim to have the tastiest beef, it's just the healthiest.

SPEAKER_00 43:47

I like that.

SPEAKER_06 43:47

So we're all I mean, I love wagyu. The taste, the flavor, everything. Well, fattier meat is gonna be. What are you feeding that thing, right? A bunch of grains and I don't know, like Japanese wagyu, for instance, right? They're like, Like super overweight, oh massaged and well, I pampered. And I'm not, I'm not saying I mean pamp pamper a cow, I don't care, but uh like what is it consuming? Yeah. And is that right for their rumen?

SPEAKER_01 44:13

I've been a little bit suspicious because when I first was introduced to Wagyu, it was from Japan only, not easy to get. I, you know, I happened to get it at like a fancy restaurant, and now I'm seeing it on like every single menu, in burgers, on appetizers, and I'm like, something's happening. Something's happening.

SPEAKER_05 44:31

Yeah, and and not only that, but it the marbling on it, right? Like it's super, you're if you think thinking humans like that, that's a lot of intramuscular fat, right? And to get that, you don't get that when you're really healthy. You get that because you've eaten a lot of trash. So if we extrapolate that and make some assumptions here with the animal, to get that amount of intramuscular fat is probably not a good process. And it's not indicative of a healthier animal. Sure. And then they pen them a lot and control their movement, right? And pamper them in a very controlled environment so that they do get fatty. Because if they were walking around more and roaming more, they probably wouldn't get that.

SPEAKER_01 45:14

What was the original purpose of wagyu meat?

SPEAKER_05 45:16

I I have no idea. That's a good question.

SPEAKER_01 45:19

Maybe for sacrifice or for the most royal, highest person, right? That's what I would think of it.

SPEAKER_05 45:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:29

Right? Because when in the Bible, when it called it like sacrifice your fattened calf, right?

SPEAKER_05 45:34

Yep. Oh, you know what? You good point. Yeah, that does.

SPEAKER_01 45:37

So I wonder if originally it was made for something very high up, and now it's like, we'll just give it to everybody. We all deserve it, right? And we're not supposed to have it. And then to get that, we have to bastardize the process. So yeah.

SPEAKER_05 45:50

I I was uh I have a client who's he's in the beef game. He's a distributor basically of meat. And he was telling me we're having this conversation about, you know, he prefers. He's like, it's gotta be corn fed because it, you know, it's I don't disagree at all. I'm a hundred percent. Describing like, oh, I just want the fat dripping down the side of my face. That's the that's it's gotta be.

SPEAKER_01 46:15

No, just get bone marrow then.

SPEAKER_05 46:16

Yeah, but it it's something. I mean, would I rather have a healthier cow? Yes, and then the way I cook it makes sense. This takes effort. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 46:26

But we're the only mammals that eat for taste.

SPEAKER_05 46:29

You're right. You're right. And you know, taste is great because you know, you like if something tastes well, then you're more likely to eat it more, right?

SPEAKER_01 46:38

But I don't think we've hijacked that process because when you eat a really good, like you eat something fatty, like a corn-fed or corn-finished steak, and yeah, it tastes good, but you feel satisfied on a different level with higher quality beef.

SPEAKER_05 46:54

Yes, it's more nutrient dense, et cetera.

SPEAKER_01 46:56

I I But we're addicted to that instant dopamine. That's why we we love Pop Tarts and Cheetos and things like that.

SPEAKER_05 47:03

I just don't think that I think it's an excuse, right? I I think you can still produce a really good tasting beef with the way you cook it and the way you grow it. And it can be tasty and healthy, right? To just say, oh, we gotta eat this crappy version of of the beef for the taste of it, I I think that's a cop-out.

SPEAKER_03 47:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 47:23

And we're kind of fooling people into believing, right, that you either get this taste or you could have this healthier stuff, but it's not gonna taste as sure, you know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 47:34

I mean, it's pretty this white oak's beef is a little bit of a big thing.

SPEAKER_05 47:37

I thought it was a little bit of that. Yeah, I thought it was delicious. I don't really eat any other beef anymore. Well, and the thing is that that that earthy taste, right? Like the the it's something like eating venison, right? It just some people don't like that gamey taste, whatever. But I think when you taste that, it's like earth, it, you know, you're it does something to your mind where you're like, okay, this is really good stuff. I feel really good about eating this, it's satisfying, you know. And then you're not only is it a tasty thing in the way you prepare it, but it's also you can almost feel the nourishment like lighting up your system.

SPEAKER_01 48:14

Well, it's almost like if the higher quality of meat is leaner, it doesn't have a lot of that intramuscular fat, but to complement it with things like raw grass-fed butter, avocados, uh, olive oil, eggs, things like that, now you're increasing the fat content, but then you're getting unique vitamin profile from those other things that you wouldn't get from the steak alone. So it's weird.

SPEAKER_05 48:39

So now if I have a leaner cow that's grass-fed, when I put that ribeye on the freaking uh whatchamacallit, the cast iron, and then I put that big old dab of compound butter on it, now it makes sense, right? So now my cat, my, my caloric intake, I'm not breaking the bank because I have a fatty, fatty, fatty, overfattened piece of cow, and I'm throwing more fat on top of it. Now there's a balance there, right? And it makes a lot more sense. So I it it when you think about it that way, it it really the whole oh corn soy fed, you gotta have it, just I it feel I feel like that argument loses value to sure, you know.

SPEAKER_01 49:20

So Dan and I are getting half a cow, but we have to wait because it's gonna be grass-fed and grass finished.

SPEAKER_05 49:26

Nice. So we have to and then we're gonna process it ourselves, like we like double with another couple from you're getting a bunch of primals. You're gonna cut it up yourself?

SPEAKER_01 49:35

Yeah, with a couple who's had experience processing because we have not.

SPEAKER_05 49:39

This other couple, they've pretty much everything they've eaten in their life is stuff they've killed or stuff that they've like done like this. So the guy's like, I'm like, bro, we're gonna really gonna do this. He's like, I've done this a lot. I was like, just come over when we get it, just come over and we'll take it.

SPEAKER_01 49:54

I'm good at following directions. So I'm good. Nice.

SPEAKER_06 49:57

That's super cool. Yeah, that's super cool.

SPEAKER_01 49:59

You mentioned you have white oak pasture stakes that you're you're okay. Last time we talked, you didn't have a store.

SPEAKER_03 50:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:06

So tell us about since you were here last time, how is your farm expanded? What do you guys have that people can purchase? Things like that.

SPEAKER_06 50:14

Yeah, we're just trying to get as many local high-quality goods as humanly possible. I mean, it's still very small, so predominantly we sell all of our own goods. We're just trying to help other local small businesses also sell their stuff out of one location.

SPEAKER_00 50:28

Nice.

SPEAKER_06 50:29

Um, it's not real, I mean, you can call it a farm store. I'd call it a farm stand. Okay. It's not really a store, you know? It's like an old pole barn we just put up. But um, yeah, we we started working with an herbalist, uh, an East L Ray. He's got a bunch of uh herbal teas and tinctures and things like that. Those are all sourced, all his herbs are sourced from Europe, which has really high organic standards. So he forgoo for forgo? What's he got? What's the past tense of her? Yeah, anyway, he he tossed out the USDA label too.

SPEAKER_02 51:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 51:05

Um what else have we got? We got like a kimchi guy, a sauerkraut guy, so fermented vegetables.

SPEAKER_00 51:11

Is it in glass?

SPEAKER_06 51:12

Yeah, nice. We're talking to uh some vegetable growers now out of Locksahatchie. A microgreens guy. Um, what else have we got in there?

SPEAKER_01 51:24

Some beef.

SPEAKER_06 51:25

Yeah, beef from white oaks, and then obviously chicken and eggs and honey and beeswax products, some tallow products. This is what I'm talking about, right? Yeah, so there's no store that like really does its due diligence. There's some people trying.

SPEAKER_03 51:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 51:38

Right. But then you're paying like retail rent and all of this. So not that I want to, I definitely don't want to run a grocery store. That's not the intent. The intent is just to have a small store on a farm where you can come and you don't have to look at the label. I've already done it. Almost like that. If it's not up to my standard, then I just we just we get vendors calling us all the time and I just say, What like what are your ingredients? Send me the list. What are the what are the companies? And if one thing doesn't match, then we just say no, it can't be done. If you want to change this, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 52:07

Yeah. Um I think like the original farmers market.

SPEAKER_06 52:11

Yeah. Yeah, it's like a farmers markets reach out to me all the time.

SPEAKER_01 52:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 52:15

And I just ask them how many other farms are at the market. This many.

SPEAKER_02 52:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 52:19

So I said, I'm not interested. So you're not a farmer's market at that point. No, of course you're not, right? Like I I look, grocery stores are great and farmers markets are great, but if you really want to impact change for this kind of farming, the entire dollar has to go back to the farmer.

unknown 52:37

Yep.

SPEAKER_06 52:38

So if you're buying bulk eggs from a farmer because he hasn't doesn't have time to do a farmer's market, you're essentially like making money off of that guy's labor. And I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I want everybody to get access to healthy food. And if somebody wants to drive to Benita Springs in Florida and buy 2,000 eggs and sell it as a farmer's market, I'm all good with that.

SPEAKER_00 52:56

Oh, they're not going to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_06 52:57

If you really they're making money off of Okay. All grocery stores do this, by the way, right? And all farmers market, and everybody's selling an egg that isn't a farmer at a farmer's market. And do they really know what's going on?

SPEAKER_03 53:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 53:08

And are they educated enough to even know what's going on? I'm not saying they're not good people, they're not, but there's a lot of room for error and shadiness, is all I'm saying. And if you really want to uh make impact on local farms and small local farms and small uh clean farms, then just take the time out of your day to go to the farm.

unknown 53:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 53:32

You know what I mean? Like I I guess how do people know because then that then that farm can grow and then and I'm not just saying this for me, like business is going very well for me. I'm not I'm not like pleading for help here. It's it's the exact opposite, actually. I'm uh promoting more advocating for other small farmers. Like I'm I'm not saying drive to Loxa Hatchie to get all of your vegetables every week, but it might be a good idea and it might be good for your kids as well.

SPEAKER_05 53:53

Yeah, well, I think we need to we need to grow closer to where food comes from. Yeah. Like go and see with your own eyes. Sourcing and where it's and what it takes to grow this food. And it it not only do you appreciate what you're getting a little bit more, but it also opens your eyes, right? As to all the stuff that could go wrong from farm to your mouth if we're not vigilant. Sure.

unknown 54:18

You know.

SPEAKER_01 54:19

So how does somebody know, like say I go to the green market up in West Palm Beach or whatever it's called, or the Del Rey Atlantic Gab Farmers Market? How do I know that the stand that has the organic eggs or farm-raised eggs aren't from them specifically? They yeah, bulk bought it from somewhere else.

unknown 54:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 54:39

Yeah. Where what farm did you get them from? Okay. What are their practices?

SPEAKER_03 54:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 54:43

Right. And then I mean, this is an educational piece, which you guys are doing with this podcast. Uh, see what their practices are. Are there vaccines? Are there medication? If they can't answer that, I'm not saying it isn't that.

SPEAKER_00 54:54

Right.

SPEAKER_06 54:54

But then I'm just saying they don't know. Now you're buying it. It's just like the grocery store. You think you're getting something from a from a farmer's market because it's a farmer's market, and it's exactly what the grocery store is. The person checking you out has no clue.

SPEAKER_01 55:06

Would you ever go to a farmer's market?

SPEAKER_06 55:07

Yeah, I go to them. I enjoy farmers' markets. I like it.

SPEAKER_01 55:09

To sell.

SPEAKER_06 55:10

Oh. You're stuck. Um I mean, I've been approached by all of them and said no.

SPEAKER_01 55:15

Why do you say no? I don't disagree with you.

SPEAKER_06 55:17

Because I'm trying to affect change.

SPEAKER_01 55:19

Uh to have people come to you.

SPEAKER_06 55:21

Yeah. I mean, I'm it's relatively convenient. I'm not trying to compete. I'm I'm just trying to do my own thing. And since I see it from the farmer's point of view, uh like there's more than enough demand for all of this stuff, especially in Palm Beach County. Yeah. So it's not like I we probably couldn't take on any more demand. We haven't expanded enough. Like I sell out every day. So we sell out of eggs the first 15 minutes of every day.

SPEAKER_01 55:50

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_06 55:51

So which is a really good problem to have. But I I just think from a tran like ro rolling back to part one of this podcast and the transparency issue. There is still a transparency issue at a farmer's market unless a farmer shows up. Okay. And don't get me wrong, there are some people at the farmer's market. I know there's some people like growing local greens and things like this, and they show up to farmers' markets. I'm not saying there's no farmers. Um there might be some. I don't know. When I checked, I asked, and there was there was no others, but this was a long time ago. And I just kind of closed the door on that. But uh I don't want to force anybody to do anything that they don't want to do, but I think there's something maybe nostalgic, especially people our age, about going to a farm. And it would benefit society if you brought your kids to the farm and got out of the concrete jungle for a little bit and not a farmer's market. That's what I guess I'm trying to say. Yeah. And look, there's no wrong answer, right? I I love farmers' markets. I go and get cheesy bread and chocolate bread and all, you know, like I'm also a normal human being. I'm not like a staunch guy on this.

SPEAKER_03 56:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 57:00

Um but from an economic perspective for farmers, I think cutting out the middleman is the only way to do it. Yep. So Yeah, improve your margins and then you can operate for more people if you Yeah, exactly. Right. Unless you're selling to a restaurant that's doing something with the food. Like I've had some people come to me and say, hey, this is what will pay for your eggs. And I'm like, just to make that margin that I could just do myself. And then also expand the farm. So the demand's extremely hard or extremely high. So I would like to take all of those dollars and just put it back into the farm and then grow this so more people have access to cleaner food.

SPEAKER_02 57:36

Right.

SPEAKER_06 57:36

And I think we spoke on the first podcast about voting with your dollar.

SPEAKER_02 57:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 57:40

So anyway, that's my stance on farmers markets. Not that I'm not against I'm not against it.

SPEAKER_01 57:45

Like just ask questions, like you said.

SPEAKER_06 57:48

Yeah, just ask them.

SPEAKER_00 57:49

And if they don't know, proceed with this is like a marketing thing.

SPEAKER_06 57:53

No, no corn, no soy, no whatever. I don't know. What's the farm? Where are they from? Yeah. Orlando. Is that local?

SPEAKER_00 58:00

Right.

SPEAKER_06 58:01

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 58:01

And and this is when I think about regenerative farming and expanding it, I almost think that we have to go to like a regional model, right? Because people are trying to grow farms for national operations. And that's where things start to get a little dicey, where you have you start cutting corners, you start bringing in this feed that's not so good so that you can keep up with the demand, or you start, hey, we're gonna spray some stuff over here so that we can keep up with the demand. And this is where uh it kind of dawned on me because I was started following this guy, and uh, he's out in Cedar, uh not Cedar Springs, Dribbing Springs in Texas. So outside of Austin, and he has cattle, and then he he does it, he pulps feed them. Like, oh yeah, I've seen this. It's Pontius Ranches. So he brings in all this pulp from the local juicers and he'll augment their feed with that, just drop it in there, and these cows go crazy over it. And and he's good. This farm has a large, you know, we're talking 400k following maybe on Instagram. So he's got a market, he's got a captive audience and people asking to buy his products. And he posted this whole thing of why he would not, he's not interested in shipping. He's like, if you're not in my area and you can come here and buy it, then I'm not selling to you right now. That that's what and in my mind I was telling Janie, I was like, yo, this dude could make a lot. You have 400K following, and if he's figured out how to ship, he could really expand his operation, but he doesn't want to do it. That's so cool. Because he's like, I'm feeding local people here, you know, this is and with regenerative farms, right? Taking out that supply chain, if you really commit to the local part and getting more local people to access that food, I think that's where your growth is, right? And if we had a lot of regional operations like that, which is how I'm sure this used to be a hundred years ago, you more people would have access to healthier food. I think the farmer would end up making better margins, right? Like everything and where's the the loss in this? Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:06

Well, I think the things like butcher box, boink, all these other meat delivery mail service things have made a lot more people aware of like getting better quality meat, having a lot of meat. And but I think now that needs to evolve into why are we sourcing something from I don't even know where ButcherBox is based.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:30

I know nothing about them.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:31

Well, but they're not necessarily, I don't think they're necessarily regenerative.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:35

No, but I'm just saying, like people have started prioritizing getting meat. Okay, so now take that curiosity, that motivation you have, and apply it to where can you source meat locally to you instead of this, you know, dry ice box that gets shipped to you once a month from wherever.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:53

So what do you see for the future of it like expanding regenerative? What do you think? Or do you think this is going to be?

SPEAKER_06 1:01:00

I'd like to see more local systems. I think from like a gut microbiome level, we're uh you guys could probably speak better to this than than I can. But they're now starting to talk about uh, you know, like what is grown locally and your gut, and there's some kind of connection there. I don't know what the science is, but so that's one thing. And then also we I think we spoke about this maybe before the podcast, but uh there's not much more that I feel like I can do in my life to affect change than just in my local community. So I'm really just only interested in like bringing in all of these local vendors to support their business if they need an outlet to sell and like my customer base is already eating healthy. So if their product fits fits that, then they have an avenue for this. So the fulfillment for me really comes from building this thing, and it's a super cool local community. You know, I'm having some issues with the county. I reached out to some moms to stop boca moms, get stuff done.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:56

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 1:01:57

They do, they do, they do, you know what I mean? They do. So uh yeah, that's like the fulfilling part for me now. And I don't, I agree with the guy in Austin. Um I don't really see myself expanding out past Palm Beach. I mean, maybe we'll get some land a couple hours north if we really expand and then have a in that development deal, we'll have a we'll have a large store in three or four years. But I don't see myself really much expanding past that unless I buy a bunch of acreage and retire up there on a horse and not have a phone. You know, that would be the goal. But yeah, so I I I agree with him. I I don't think I want to do anything like ship nationwide or anything like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:37

And I think, you know, you start creating multiple regenerative farms all over. I think we need to we need to hold something sacred, right? Yeah. And and that we're not people, you gotta draw the line somewhere, right? I'm not willing to make another dollar if it's detrimental to somebody else. We've given up on that idea. So I'm gonna spray this food with whatever I need to spray it so that it grows, so that I can sell more of it, even if people downstream from it are getting sick. It's not my business. I got my dollar in my pocket. And we need to hold sacred to land development too, right? Like, hey, the farms that feed us are over there, so we're not really gonna try to build a freaking new country club over a farm, right? You know, things like this that this needs to get into the culture and into the political, social, political discourse to where we can actually have things that we hold sacred. Hey, this is what we eat, this is what keeps us healthy. Let's not mess with it. Yep. In the name of, I don't know, some new development or in the name of expanding profits, right? And transparency and things like that are very important in that process. Now, looking at it, what do you see working against? What do we need to be on the lookout for in the food supply that that just you know makes Spidey senses tingle? You're like, if this happens or that happens, you know, you already spoke about regenerative already being the hijacking process has already started on that label. So what what's the um are you asking from a local perspective?

SPEAKER_06 1:04:21

Like what I'm trying to do, what's gonna start?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:23

Whatever you're seeing locally, because I mean if it's local, it's gonna be national at some point. Um, you know, like in my mind, McDonald's investing$200 million into regenerative farms. I'm like, okay, great, but why are you doing it? What's the market cap at McDonald's? Billions on billions. 200 million bucks.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:41

I mean, yeah, such a joke. Yeah, yeah. But it looks nice in a headline. Yeah, it really has.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:46

Why did they? I mean, it that's not even a tax break for them. So why are you putting that money into it? Is this part of the hijacking process of regenerative labels? Like, uh to me, more than celebrating it, I'm suspicious, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:04:58

Yeah. I think like the regenerative local movement got trendy. Like people call me to take pictures, like wedding photos with sheep and stuff.

unknown 1:05:07

Like, what?

SPEAKER_06 1:05:08

Holding a chicken. I mean, do it. It's cool. Please come to the farm. It's I I like it, but it's new to me. And I'm like, when did holding a chicken become cool? You know, it's it's it's awesome because it gets you know regenerative farming out there. Uh, but I'm not exactly sure that's a good thing. It becoming trendy.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:31

You know what I mean? Well, I think it should be done for what you guys are doing, like nutritional purposes.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:36

It won't be done. And not because it's cool, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:38

So, they'll learn to brand it and box it up and sell it to you as such. Yes, exactly, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:05:45

So it's just gonna be hijacked from a marketing perspective, which I think we're already entering now. So, yeah, probably those those two things. Uh bureaucracy, obviously. Local bureaucracy is in. Insane, insane. We have a fight every day with the with the county.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:05

Imagine, if you will, a world where somebody is putting out healthy products. Stuff that's good for you. And you are doing everything you can to stop him from doing it. Well, I don't have GL Home's money. I mean that makes sense. It just I I don't I don't know what the beef is and how do you go home at night and go asleep.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:29

He's stopping them from getting what they want, and it's basically a tantrum with a lot of money.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:38

Yeah. I mean they developed all the ag reserve, right? It's the ag reserve. And now there's a bylaw on the ag reserve that forty percent of all the developments over a certain amount of acreage has to stay agged. But how long is that for? It's like I just took a lease on a hundred acres and a 250 acre development deal. I don't know what 10 years down the line looks like. A guy in a a zoning guy says, you know what? That should be a Walmart. And that's it. He changes the zoning. I can't have a farm anymore. That's how that works.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:09

You know? So we write these laws, and then influence comes in and development comes in, and then all of a sudden you need to feed all these people, and the farm can't feed 100 acres can't feed 10,000 people, right? So you gotta put a sprouts in there. Yeah, so I don't know about doing this whole thing in Palm Beach County. For sure, I just uh make enough money to buy a little plot of land and have a kid and a couple dogs and sad enough. But I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try here in Palm Beach County. But I think it's uh the local bureaucracy is insane. We were we were talking earlier. I can go into some of it if you want, but they make it all almost impossible. The ag developer for the county told me it's impossible to start a farm in Palm Beach County because of all the red tape. That's the ag developer of the county. Her words verbatim, it's impossible. But it you know what's not impossible? GL Homes developments. That's real easy. You want concrete in all the canals people fish out of how much chemicals are in concrete? No problem. Building concrete bridges, concrete everywhere. Then we'll sit there. That seeps into the aquifer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then we'll sit there and we're so sick. That's no problem.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:24

No problem. So that's a lot, that's a lot to think about. I I don't, you know, again, I go back to holding things sacred, right? We've got to draw the line somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:36

We gotta say, like, hey, but that wouldn't require morality, like ethics and morals to hold something sacred. What does that do for their pockets?

SPEAKER_05 1:08:48

So I guess the real question is we gotta get these people that go to islands to have secret meetings. They'll be like, hey, bro, just don't touch the food, please, my guy. Or the water. Or the water, leave the soil alone.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:04

These manicured places spray so many pesticides. I have to ask a landscaping company outside of my farm because we we back up to Tierra del Rey. Like Mike Tyson lives back there, like multi-million dollar mansion. No, they don't have it, they're all like equestrian lots. But uh there's an easement from a road right outside the farm. Anyway, they're landscaping guys take care of it and every day or every week they're cutting and spraying. Then I have to go out there and ask them, just please don't like you see all these animals, like just don't spray that next to the fence line at minimum, you know?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:40

They're usually pretty respectful about it. If I can catch them, if I'm at the farm, if I'm not, then it's everything, right? And cancer rates on the rise. So now we're not really running many animals, uh, or almost any animals, or or limiting it at least, uh, even close to that fence line. Yeah. I'm giving them like 10, 20, 30 foot break. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's a massive hedge there. There's stuff to block it, but still it's not good, right? But you can't escape that.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:09

No, because it seeps into the soil.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:10

Because it's all manicured, right? Everything. So it's yeah, I don't know. Man, I what can you do?

SPEAKER_05 1:10:17

It it I I hope, you know, like in closing, I think I hope that people that this, what you're saying, should plant a thought, right, in your head and start questioning things, right? I think the way we've been doing business, meaning, you know, the crazy developments, spraying stuff, manicuring lawns, planting fake grass, you know, highly industrialized farming and feeding lot operations type things has given us a result. Right? All you hey, just go to Target or Walmart or wherever and start looking around. Everybody's sick, everybody has an allergy, everybody's, you know, overweight, everybody has some level of disease or compromised function, right? Then we wonder where that's coming from. But look at all the stuff that's going on around us. So we need we need to go in the opposite direction. We need to go in a different direction. I hope that things like regenerative farming becoming trendy, you know, we need to draw a line there, right? We don't want it to be, oh, I just want to hold the chicken, but I don't want to do anything that comes with that lifestyle and with that, you know. But understand that it's good for you for a reason, right? Like you want to hold the chicken for a reason.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:38

There's something innate in you that's appealing to nature that wants to get closer to it. And we just need to us, people like us that know that we're like, okay, that we're not making good choices. How do we get more people to jump on board with with the stuff that was good for us a hundred years ago that is kind of coming back in?

SPEAKER_06 1:11:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:00

And we're all kind of looking, figuring out ways to implement it again. Um, what do you want to leave people with? What do you think?

SPEAKER_06 1:12:09

Oh, that's a good question. That's a good question.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:13

So many thoughts.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:15

Uh I would say just try and just head to a local farm and see how you feel. I don't want to end on something really woo-woo, but to me it made sense. Like when I went to all these regenerative farms in the beginning and saw it and felt it. It's uh it's it's I think it's something innate in us or God-given. I'm not exactly sure where it comes from, but uh, it seems to make sense. And I think we need more of that and less uh iPads and less Netflix and uh more nature because we came from that place and we need to get back to it.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:50

Agreed.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:51

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:52

I think I think that's with achieve the lifestyle. I think that's the mission. We're we're pointing to better times, right? And you know, we have a lot of a lot of stuff, but maybe the answer is less of all of this distraction and digital stuff and all this modernity, all this modern comfort, and more of that old school feeling where, like, hey, you know what? This simpler kind of life tends to give you room to thrive, right? To actually thrive and feel better about yourself. Something to think about, guys. I hope this these two episodes planted a seed of curiosity in you that you know you want to check out. Oh, oh, I wasn't even, yeah, no pun intended at all. But you know, just and you rotate that seed.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:44

No, I'm kidding. Sorry.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:45

Yeah, just just go check out the farms, buy, try to buy something from a regenerative or local farm and see what it does for you. I think everybody, you know, and and resources allotting, right? Some people, you know, it's gonna it's gonna be a little bit more expensive. Hopefully, I pray for a future where we can figure out ways to give more people access to this, where the price may come down or whatever, because you know, the farms are doing well and people more people can access this because we figured out how to basically profit and access becoming kind of synergizing, right? And we can vote better with our dollar.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:24

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:25

Um anything you want to leave them with, Jake? No, well, where can they find us?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:32

And on Instagram at Achieve the Lifestyle, our website achieve the lifestyle.com, and you can email us at info at achieve the lifestyle, or just hit the contact us button on our website.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:43

Or hit them DMs.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:44

That's where it goes down.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:46

And where can they find you, Jake?

SPEAKER_06 1:14:48

Uh coastal pasturesfarms.com. Our Instagram is Coastal Pastures Farms. Our email is very complex. It's Coastal Pastures Farms at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:58

Uh what are your hours that you're Thursday through Sunday, 10 to 4. Thursday through Sunday, 10 to 4. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:05

Yeah, give Coastal Pastures a follow on Instagram so you can see real happy chickens.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:10

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:10

The real deal, not the ones that have the name, just the ones that are actually happy. Um, guys, with that, I need you to do a couple things. Support local, bye local, and stay pharma-free. Thanks for listening to the pharmaphode podcast. If you found this conversation interesting, which I know you did, make sure to follow us on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. And also make sure to check us out on Instagram at Achieve the Lifestyle. And if you're interested in pursuing a stronger, healthier, more capable version of yourself, check out our website at AchievethLifestyle.com.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:47

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