Ep. 59 - School Lunch Makeover

We start with school lunches and a new push to remove food dyes and seed oils, but it turns into a bigger conversation about what kids are actually eating every day. We talk through the tradeoffs, the pushback, and why nutrition might be the missing piece in everything from behavior to long term health.

Then we zoom out. Bread, additives, glyphosate, and how “normal” food has quietly shifted over time. At what point did we stop questioning what’s in it, and why does it feel so hard to find something simple?

We’re not saying it’s all or nothing. We’re asking better questions. If food is driving more than we think, what changes are actually worth making, especially for kids who don’t get to choose what’s on their plate?

Maybe it starts smaller than we think. Maybe it starts with what we pack. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Pharmaphobic is powered by Achieve the Lifestyle, a company dedicated to helping you empower your health, redefine your lifestyle, and all for the health of it. You're listening to Pharmaphobic, where we challenge the state of health in America. I'm Jamie, a physician assistant, and I've seen how healthcare keeps people dependent instead of truly healthy.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

And I'm Ben, a veteran turn fitness pro here to uncover the truth and explore simple and sustainable health solutions. From big pharma to big food, we're exposing the conflicts of interest, keeping us sick, and finding better ways to take back our health.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

No fluff, no gimmicks, just real talk, real solutions, and a little bit of fun along the way.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

As always, guys, I'm here in great company. Special guest of the podcast. Recurring special guest on the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Not a special guest. We're co-hosts.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

And she thinks she's a co-host.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

I think. Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

My lovely wife is the love of my life. Oh, what a life it is. It's Janie Brown. How are you doing today?

SPEAKER_00 1:25

Buenos días.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

Gracias, Paravivar and La Casa.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

Azoo.

SPEAKER_01 1:43

How are you doing today?

SPEAKER_00 1:45

I'm great. It's bright and early.

SPEAKER_01 1:47

It is. It's a beautiful day here in South Florida. It's spring. It's 65 degrees, which means we got our Arctic gear on.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

I'm wearing pants.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

Yep. It's Arctic gear time. Um, and the sun is shining very brightly. We're by the beach. So yes. It's beautiful. Thanks for watching. And it's like you see the hue too. Like you see, I was driving in, I was like, oh, look at that. It's like the red light is really strong right now. I feel like I should be in the beach like this.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

You crunchy.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

I know. But that's that's the way it was made, guys. You gotta get that morning sunlight, get your melanin up.

SPEAKER_00 2:19

Dan's also decided that he's not gonna cut his hair.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

Guys, it's been a week, okay? Busy schedule, set an appointment with the barber. The barber can't make that time last minute. It's not my fault. My wife wants me to change barbers, but all you gentlemen out there.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

Tell them how far you drive. 30 minutes to go see my guy. So 30 minutes there, 30 minutes back, that's an hour. And you complain of a busy schedule.

SPEAKER_01 2:57

Listen, let's make the point here. Guys, gentlemen out there, please explain. Because all the ladies right now are like, yeah, just get another barber. First of all, you drive like 40 minutes to go see your person.

SPEAKER_00 3:08

Because my person moved, I followed her, and I have the schedule that allows it. If I didn't have a schedule to allow it, I would change.

unknown 3:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:15

Excuses. Anyway. Um, guys, explain to your ladies out there that when you find a barber, that's a marriage, right? And you stick with your barber. You don't go, you don't just hop barbers, and barbers know that. So you don't just show up the barber shops and be like, yo, cut my hair. Mm-mm. It ain't that kind of time anymore.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

Well, I also had this just novel idea to maybe when you get your hair cut with the barber, you go ahead and make an appointment for however long he's like, hey, I want to see you back in three weeks, four weeks, five weeks, whatever. You set an appointment at that time and you make it on a day where you're most likely available, which would be Saturday afternoons when you're most likely available. So then if you need to tweak it later on as it gets closer, you can do that, but you have a set appointment. You don't have to think about it. You wait until you're like, oh man, I needed a haircut a week ago to then try to schedule an appointment.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

What you're saying makes sense, but I need you to stop making sense. Because you know, my I'm I'm a week-to-week scheduler. Like I'm a, you know, I'm a client-based business.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

This is this is how arguments go. I make a point and he argues against a point that I didn't even make. I said make an appointment Saturday afternoons. You're talking about how your Monday through Friday is busy.

SPEAKER_01 4:37

I'm a client-based business, guys. I can't plan the week like that until I fit in my appointments. And usually my appointments get fit in week to week.

SPEAKER_00 4:46

Yeah, and you have people that you train on Saturday afternoons.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

Girl, stop it. I don't want to chill on Saturday afternoon.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

Okay, there we go. Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

We're here today to talk about some health stuff, guys. Some health news, okay? Some business. We got business to tend to. You guys saw right now, you experienced it. This is how I live my life. I have a wife at home that just gets on my butt about.

SPEAKER_00 5:14

It was just oddly logical. So annoying.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

Okay. You ready to talk about some health stuff?

SPEAKER_00 5:21

I love you.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

I love you too. All right. You ready to get into some health stuff? Yeah. Okay. So we had some topics from a couple podcasts ago that um we didn't get to because we expounded too much on stuff. So we're gonna catch up today with stuff that we had laid out to talk about.

SPEAKER_00 5:42

Tie up some loose ends.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

Tie up some loose ends. I went back in the files, guys, maybe a couple weeks ago. Um, I have one here. Um, school lunches. There's a mandate coming out from uh the Department of Health HHS. School lunches are supposed to be food dye and seed oil free by September 2026.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

This is wonderful.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

Um first thing we did an episode a while back. I mean, it's crazy. We've been at this for over a year now, but it's been a while back, probably in the I would say 20s, maybe maybe before, where we talked about a study, studies connecting depression, anxiety, and ADHD separately to nutrition, right? And then these studies in kids with ADHD symptoms and all the sort of thing, and how um diet changes made it made it easier to manage, quell the symptoms by a lot of all this other stuff. So school lunches being what they are now and being what they want them to be, it makes perfect sense that you should probably start with nutrition.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

Yeah, I grew up um, you know, single mother, so we didn't have a lot of money. So brown bag lunch, right? So I brought my lunch. It almost seemed the school that I went to, and granted small town, um, it was if you bought school lunch, you were better off.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

Uh, same thing with me.

SPEAKER_00 7:05

Right. Because you could do the school lunch, you could do a la carte, whatever. But I do know, and I'm we never got this, so I don't know if it wasn't available at my school or we didn't qualify. I don't know, but that some schools have vouchers to where you get breakfast and lunch free or I think it's flipped.

SPEAKER_01 7:25

So with like you said, the same same thing with me. Like if you took a lunchbox to school, you were kind of made fun of. Why are you pull? Yeah, exactly. You were kind of made fun of. And I never, whenever my mom would give me a lunchbox, I never wanted, I always wanted the school lunch and because you had to pay for it, right? Uh, somewhere in there, they made it a part of like um almost like a snap benefit or something like that, where they'll provide the lunch and the breakfast to the kids and their kids of uh lower income that they get supposedly they get the majority of their food at school because it's free. Right.

SPEAKER_00 7:59

Right. And so I know some people are gonna twist this around. Well, if you cut um food dyes and seed oils out of school lunches, what's that gonna be for the availability of food for school lunches? Because that's what one thing that people fear about cutting these things out, it means access to food is gonna be less likely. And so is that going to affect people who rely on breakfast and lunch at school the benefits of that for snap or whatever. Um and then if they then have to rely on their own food to bring to school, they can't because low income or whatever. However, um, I think that this is going to reap huge benefits because like you mentioned, the um I can't remember if it was from it's not from Nick, but we talked about it, or did we talk about it? How I think it's in Japan.

unknown 8:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:54

Their school lunches are I was gonna bring them up. It is Japan. Yeah. Oh, you're gonna talk about that? And their um test scores or the the IQs of the kids or whatever measurement they use are just sky high.

SPEAKER_01 9:08

So they have Japan has a nutritionist on staff at every school. Um, there's mandatory nutrition classes for the kids, and then every uh school meal made has to be a certain way, like only fresh ingredients. They have all these regulations on what they serve at school, right? And it has to be you know, whole food type based type stuff. Apparently, France has a similar thing. I was just seeing a video of them. Um France comments, but whatever. But the Japanese, um that's how they roll. So the kids are taught about nutrition, what's good food, blah blah blah, and they get to eat this insanely whole food-based diet throughout the day. Um I that whole stance said, Oh, we're gonna limit access to food, I think that that is the cop-out. It's excuses, it's um myopic thinking, it's very small brain thinking. What do you mean there's no food out there that you can source that doesn't have nonsense in it? Um, we can't talk to companies that produce food to make better choices than what they're putting in the food. Yeah. You know, we talk about this, like that you have to force the industry to change, right? Like it just guys are putting a bunch of nonsense in the food. Why? I don't understand it, because you don't have to.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

It's money. You know, well, it's money and then money downstream from the effects of giving them this crap.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

That exactly. Uh I the only thing I land on is nefarious intent. I just, the more I chew on this and I do it every day, and I because I can't help it, I'm just like, there's no other reason than nefarious intent.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

Well, and some people may not have nefarious intent, but they're just ignorant because it's been so not saying factory workers that are producing this food.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

No, I understand.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:10

I'm talking about decision maker, black rock investment money level, you know, um even the food scientists, because I like I I think I told you this. I've, you know, I've had a I have had a client who's a food scientist, and then he became the CEO of a beverage company and all this stuff. Very successful food scientist guy. And and we were having conversations about food, and it's funny because obviously he studied that. So I'm telling him about ingredients, and he it's like he knows that oh, yeah, that's not a great ingredient, but he's still okay with it being in the food.

SPEAKER_00 11:45

Well, because he was probably rewarded, right? Because you can like, okay, I know this is bad, but I'm gonna be rewarded if I can get something that's really hyper palatable. Yeah, and and so it's almost conditions you in a sense to be like, I know that's bad, but I was told I did good, you know?

SPEAKER_01 12:02

Yeah, and and he partook, he partakes in eating nonsense that he knows it's not a great ingredient. And you know, he's telling me how some of these ingredients are selected, how they're making some of these flavors and stuff like that. I'm like, ugh. Well, that's like but he's like not, it's like it's a silo thinking, right? Like he's like, I'm just making food, right? And then not saying, like, oh, but that could cause disease.

SPEAKER_00 12:25

Like that connection just it's it's it's that's human human nature to a degree where we do things and we know like smoking, right? Oh, this is bad, but like doctors smoking, but the bad stuff's not gonna happen to me, you know? So we sort of have this, or um, what was I oh that um podcast clip that you sent me about Operation Artichoke where it's that I we won't go into it, but yeah, but we're that knee-jerk reaction of humans to see something so bad, but then just be like, well, that that can't be true. Yeah, you know?

SPEAKER_01 13:06

That's a future episode because that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

Yeah, and it's almost like there's sort of an underlying um uh how do I want to say it, presence that's telling us like to not look too closely, to don't think it's real, to keep carrying on.

SPEAKER_01 13:25

Yeah, yeah. And so no, no doubt. There's a disconnect, right? Because this guy, you know, he makes food or made food, he made a living, a great living, off of producing processed foods and concocting stuff and mixing stuff, and you know, when I'm saying like, well, this has this in it, uh like, oh yeah, I know about that. Yeah, that's not great. But he eats it. Yeah, you know, and he's like uh medical issues that have come with it for him, but um it it's like it's separated between I'm just making food and oh, this stuff is actually bad for you. So this is where like I can't blame a guy like him, but I'm you know, people that have selected those ingredients, that have seen the studies on hey, this stuff is not great, like the food dies. We've been talking about them, like people were talking about them already in the 70s, as I'm finding out.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

You're reading a book right now from the 70s, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

And guys, this is you're gonna get a full book report. A client of mine gave me a book that she read in 1973. Okay, she's in her 70s, and she's telling me about all this stuff in the food. So she gave me the book. She had to go dig it out of some thrift store, whatever, and she gave it to me the book. It's a secondhand book, it's almost all brown and stuff. And I started reading it, and I told Jane, I was like, I think I'm gonna be pissed off because what I'm reading already is stuff that sounds like stuff that we're talking about right now.

SPEAKER_00 14:54

Yeah, I sent the summary of it to a friend. I said, guess what year it was published? She said 2014, and I was like, '70s.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

Yeah. 1972 published book. And, you know, it reads like something that you would find now, and people are still fighting these ideas, right? They're like, oh no, I can't be. So think about that for a second. But anyway, it's this silo thinking where, you know, at this level, people have been presented information, they've seen the studies, they've seen, hey, this isn't great, they've seen the outcomes, but they're putting that in a drawer and oh, don't look over there. Just keep pumping out this stuff, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:31

Yeah. And so I think it's great that they're starting with the kids.

SPEAKER_01 15:36

Oh, no doubt.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

Um, the same way that in Florida they uh evaluated all the formulas, the baby formulas. Yeah. And isn't there something? Oh, I need to look into this. Um, I tucked it away in my mind because I heard it that there's a law mandating that baby formulas have to have seed oils or some sort of uh incentive for them to have. It's really hard to find a baby formula that doesn't.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

It doesn't. I think it's like a fat, they need a certain amount of fat in it.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

Um, we need to get into the but with Florida, they they looked at the baby formulas now federally, so nationwide, they're talking about um taking seed oils and dyes out of food lunches. Because with the kids school lunches. What did I say?

SPEAKER_01 16:19

Food lunches.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

Food lunches. It's not wrong. It's a food lunch. School lunches. Sorry, thank you. Um, but because we've talked about before how this sooner and sooner we're seeing things like obesity, hypertension, diabetes, hyperlipidemia, fatty liver in children, and it's not genetics that's causing it to happen earlier and earlier. It's food, it's environmental factors, food being probably the the most potent.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

Now, um, yes, because the thing is like older people are kind of staunch and set in their ways, and it's like I grew up eating Oreos, I'm gonna die eating Oreos.

SPEAKER_00 17:05

Well, and also not to sound morbid, but it's to some extent the damage is done. Yeah. Right? Like you can reverse some things. We're finding like estrogen therapy in in older women can actually reverse um arthrosclerosis, which is building up a plaque in the arteries to some extent, uh, which is amazing. And you can reverse like osteopenia, osteoporosis, you can reverse hypertension, you can reverse insulin resistance, all these things. But sometimes when these things are uh have been in effect for a certain amount of time, they cause damage that cannot be undone, even if you do improve blood sugar, the blood pressure, things like that, the effects of it have already harmed.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

Yeah, like if the arterial lining, right.

SPEAKER_00 17:52

Right. And so it's not that we shouldn't help these people. So older people should take into account because it's gonna improve the biggest thing, which you cannot monitor on blood work or with a scan, that I don't think people pay enough attention to, especially medical providers, when they're doing management plans for patients, is why are we not talking about quality of life? Why is that not a metric that's equally as powerful as your cholesterol level? Because at the end of the day, when you're walking around, whether or not you can get up and down off your toilet, you can get in and out of a car, you can actually drive, you can play with your kids, your grandkids, you can participate in activities your friends ask you for is going to impact you more on a regular basis than what your cholesterol level is on a lab. So um, I think that that's something that, and a lot of people will say, I'm it's not true that I'm overreacting with this, but you cut seed oils out of your diet, you cut food out, food dyes out of your diet, you will see an improvement in quality of life.

SPEAKER_01 18:55

I agree. I mean, just by the stuff that you're gonna have to dodge by saying, you know what, I'm gonna give it 30 days, and I'm not gonna eat seed oils for 30 days. This just the amount of stuff that you got to dodge at that point, it just turns into a whole food-based diet. You have no choice but to eat that way.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

Now, people, you know, it going back to it, like that argument that, oh, it's gonna preclude access, we're not saying we're taking away school lunches from people that giving it away from them.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

We're just changing them.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

We're just gonna give them better food, which is what we should be doing for everybody.

SPEAKER_00 19:27

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SPEAKER_01 21:40

And that you want to at least bring back half of that money and spend it on your own people, especially when you start talking about states that want to raise taxes. And even at the federal level, that taxes never go down. You might get a tax break, you might get a little break here. Oh, you can write off more stuff here, but they never say, you know what, we're Going to lower the tax rate. It never happens. It always goes up. So we're giving up more money to the collective good. Why not do actually good stuff with it? Like change school lunches for kids.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

Right.

SPEAKER_01 22:13

Here's what's happening kids are getting chronic illnesses quicker. So instead of, you know, eating garbage and having blood pressure issues and blood sugar issues in your 40s, now those blood pressure and blood sugar issues arise in your late 20s. So now you're got to go to your doctor, you got to get on medication, you got to get on these treatment plans sooner. So now you spend more time on the treadmill of healthcare. What does that do? It's going to raise the cost of healthcare. Right. Because more and more people are clogging up the system, needing access to healthcare to manage their chronic illnesses. So it makes sense that we start by changing the kids' diet so that they don't get sick sooner.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

But it's already happening, but people don't realize it because they're, because I'll just take young women, like girls, as an example. Okay. They're not sick now, right? But are they not? Because maybe if we're eating poor nutrition, we're not eating enough, whether that's the quality of the food or maybe restriction because of a sport or something like that. Well, now our periods are irregular, right? Because hormones, or you can talk about all the other endocrine disruptors that are going to affect hormones as well. But now I'm, you know, I'm a young girl. My period's not regular. Guess what we're going to do to fix that?

SPEAKER_01 23:29

All birth control.

SPEAKER_00 23:29

Put you on birth control. Great. Now, what have studies shown that when you're on birth control, you're going to need down the road antidepressant. An SSRI, right? Now my gut health is just gone. Okay. And then, okay, now I'm on birth control. Now I'm on an SSRI. Now I'm spending money on these things.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

Uh refer back to our podcast episode where we talked about Americans spending over half of their life on polypharmacy, basically on multiple medications. Uh episode, what we're in the 50s, that probably was in the 30s or high 20s. Right. And women specifically spending over 60%. Men they estimate 50%, women over 60% of their life on medications, namely birth control and antidepressants, anti-anxiety medication, that they tend to start at the age of 15.

SPEAKER_00 24:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Is the average that's crazy, y'all.

SPEAKER_00 24:22

Right. And so we've been conditioned as a society to be like, well, birth control is a normal med. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong. False. Okay. Antidepression, that's just, that's life. That's just, you know, Mercury's in retrograde, and like, you know what I mean? I can't handle this. And so I'm on a depression. So if nothing's wrong, that's normal, right?

SPEAKER_01 24:46

I'm a Gemini. I just flip out. I mean.

SPEAKER_00 24:52

And so, but the it's the same thing. Like, we've been conditioned. Well, I'm a 40-year-old man. I should be on the Cinepro for my blood pressure. It's normal. No, it's not. We were not designed to do all these things.

SPEAKER_01 25:03

I'm a dad. I'm 40% body fat. It's normal.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

And so, yeah, I'm a dad bod.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 25:08

Because I have a child, therefore I can let myself go.

SPEAKER_01 25:11

And then you get this mainstream push to dad bods are sexier than dudes who work out. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:16

Yeah, says women on birth control.

SPEAKER_01 25:18

Exactly. I believe you.

SPEAKER_00 25:20

Because when you're on birth control, it can alter your mind. So you're attracted to not the dominant alpha style male, but more the beta male. You know, all those memes are going around. It's like when you're you're a soy boy and your girl gets off birth control.

SPEAKER_01 25:36

Now you're afraid for your life. Oh, she can see me.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

Yeah. And so your brain on birth control is a great book to read if you want to look more into that. Um, but anyway, it's just it all starts with the quality of the food, the crap that we're putting into the food. If we ate more of this world, how we're supposed to eat, not man-made things, then would we need to over this over-reliance on medications that seem quote unquote harmless? Would we need to be pacified with meds so that we just, you know, you don't feel you just you're told what to do, you just keep moving through. And like Dan said, you spend more healthcare dollars. These medications are gonna cause not even side effects, but effects that you're gonna need treated. And now we're seeing because so many women around my age, I'm 41, were put on birth control at young ages. The fertility is declining. The fertility industry is booming right now because so many people are having trouble getting pregnant. Do you think that suppressing somebody's hormones for 20 to 30 years has anything to do with that? They're gonna tell you no, that it's okay.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

It's a coinky dink.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

It's a little coinky dink.

SPEAKER_00 26:49

Yeah. So it's hard, but I think improving quality of food is a great place to start.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

For children specifically.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

Yeah. And I'm not even talking about that's that's just like quote unquote normal things, but I'm not even talking about the increase in childhood obesity. Oh, which, you know, right along that increase, you're increasing childhood um fatty liver disease. Now kids are going on medications like osimbic or um the other injectables, or they're because they have fatty liver, now their fat metabolism is being altered. So their triglycerides pop up. So now they're having to be placed on statins or other um medications to bring down triglycerides, which cause other issues. And we know number one side effect, not number one, but a huge side effect of or effect of statins is increase in blood sugar. So now they're gonna get diabetes. So now we need to medicate that. And it's just, it all comes back to the quality of our food. And if you don't think that that's true, then uh I guess get a colorful pill organizer because that's what you're gonna need.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

Um, it's it's very, you know, like me dealing with kids that are athletes, right? You know, they're more active than the average kid because they're playing sports year-round and this sort of thing. But a lot of them, I see a lot of heavier said kids, right? And then we start talking about food. You know, we're eating off of vending machines most of the day. We're eating school lunches. And I remember this one mom from this group of kids I was working with, you know, she had one kid that was in shape and the other kid was struggling. And then we start talking about nutrition. The kid that's struggling eats school lunch all the time. The kid that's in better shape doesn't. He packs his own lunch, right? I'm like, mom, you know, I'm like, let's pay attention to this. But as soon as I, you know, I put the kid on the end body, we start talking about nutrition. It was just an intake thing. I'm like, what are what's your day of eating look like? And he's telling me about school lunch. And I was like, that's not great. And uh, and the mom's like, I told you to stop eating that school lunch. I'm like, mom, you you see, mom's, you got that intuition, right? You gotta interject, you gotta intervene right there. Be like, hey, you're done with school lunches, we're packing you lunch. Look at what your brother's doing, look at what you're doing. We're not. Why are we separating the strategy between two kids in the same household? And it sucks that, I mean, obviously, this is different, right? This is these families are hiring people like me, that it's a different income level. They can afford these things more readily, right? Then I start talking to these kids about school lunches, and some of them are waking up, they're like, no, I don't eat school lunch anymore. Good. Good. I'm taking my own stuff to, you know, I'm eating rice and beef, I'm eating this and that. Yeah. My mom packs me this, good. Um, but to hear things like, oh, it's juice or soda, but if I want water, I have to pay for it.

SPEAKER_00 29:56

Right.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

Wild, how is water more expensive than juice or soda and stuff that you actually gotta make and put ingredients in? Wild, it should be default. Here's your water. And if you want juice and soda, you're gonna pay for it. I don't understand. I don't understand this. And you know, it goes to show too when you go to the grocery store, a gallon of water is more expensive than a 24-pack of soda type of thing. You know, I'm exaggerating. Probably a six pack of soda would be worth less than the gallon, right? So it's easier to buy soda and juice than it is to buy water. Wild. I last time I checked, I don't think you need sun kiss to hydrate, right? Dr. Pepper doesn't replenish electrolyte levels.

unknown 30:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:40

So it's wild to think that that's what you're up against. So this is a good start, right? Changing school lunches. How do we circumvent, right? Lower income families, we just gotta make better choices. They're gonna help you out, supposedly, allegedly, by September by changing the ingredients and changing what they're providing at the schools. That's gonna help a lot of people out if they do it right. Don't give me this vegan lunches like New York's doing, or none of this trash. Don't, don't, don't. Okay. Imagine, if you will, a school buying regional stuff from local farms. Oh, we get our eggs from a place like Coastal Pastures.

SPEAKER_00 31:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:24

And we serve these fresh eggs every morning for our kids. We make them some nice omelets. We get vegetables from this place up in over here, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's how Japan does it, guys. Local boom, bring it to the school, and you spend government money on your little local economy, and it it works out for everybody. So just putting that out there. Parents, till then, oh man, pack your kids lunches. Just do it. It should be cool for you to take a lunchbox to school.

SPEAKER_00 31:50

Also, it's a great opportunity to get your kids involved in food choices and how they nourish their body. You know, and I'm not talking about like fighting with them about, you know, what putting in Doritos or not and things like that, but like really taking the time to educate your. We're not parents, I understand that. But to me, that is part of your job is to teach them how to nourish their body. And if you don't know because you weren't taught that, then let's break that cycle. Take a nutrition course, read a book, you know, reach out to us, talk to us about it. Um, but taking the time for getting the kids involved in, okay, when we pack your lunch, we need to make sure you have a good source of protein because that's going to help with your brain. And so that you can pay attention in class. We need to have like good fruits and vegetables for micronutrients. We need to have like healthy fats for your brain as well. And so, how do we make that happen? Okay. And getting them involved. So, like I've mentioned in past episodes, we have we get rid of that disconnect between I know nothing about where my food is coming from or what it's doing for my body. I just eat because it tastes good. And so, you know, using that as an opportunity, is it gonna take more time? Yes. Is it worth it? Yes. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:05

I and just remember, everything that you want, you know, people want their kids to do well in sport, they want their kids to do well in school, right? Those are all great things. Nutrition is gonna be a huge part of that. Yes. They want their kids to sleep better, they want to manage behavioral issues, nutrition, nutrition, nutrition. If your strategy doesn't include better nutrition, then you're probably barking up the wrong tree. Okay, something to remember. Moving on, expanding here on this thing uh about school lunches. One thing you get in school lunches a lot is bread, right? So, Florida testing. They did the baby formulas, you mentioned it earlier. They went into the breads, and this was uh insane. So they were testing glyphosate levels in common bread brands, right? And there's other terrible and unnecessary ingredients in the average bread. You remember when we were in Vegas that one time and we were trying to find some like normal uh hamburger buns?

SPEAKER_00 34:08

Oh, right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:09

And I I went down the entire bread aisle, top shelf to bottom shelf.

SPEAKER_00 34:16

I went to the bakery just looking for a bread that wasn't and I told him, I was like, listen, you're either gonna need to get romaine lettuce and do like the sorority girl burger, or you're gonna have to just suck it up because this is what it is.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

I mean, sourdough bread in the grocery store, enriched with all sorts of stuff, artisanal breads, and I'm just going up in high expensive artisanal breads. None of it had normal ingredients in it. Okay, so other stuff you find in bread, that's a problem. Obviously, seed oils, because you need seed oils to make bread. I mean, I don't think anybody's ever made bread without using a seed oil. So there you go. So your bread is not only a carbom, now it has added fat to it, right? Yep. Um, enrich flour. That's always a problem because it's uh it's enriched or fortified with synthetic.

SPEAKER_00 35:06

Meaning they took out and now they have to add back in.

SPEAKER_01 35:09

They have to replenish it.

SPEAKER_00 35:10

And the problem is that our body doesn't recognize that the same.

SPEAKER_01 35:13

Yep. Folic acid. We've talked about this before. Not folate.

SPEAKER_00 35:19

Folic acid.

SPEAKER_01 35:20

Folic acid. Okay. Folate.

SPEAKER_00 35:23

Good.

SPEAKER_01 35:23

Good. Folic acid, not so good. Um, this is a good one. BHT. I vi No, I've I'm just saying, I'm just saying BHT because the words that I'm about to come out of my mouth are not stuff that you've ever heard before in your life. Nobody would know what this is. So why are you eating it? Why is it in my food? Butylated hydroxy tollin. Toluene.

SPEAKER_00 35:54

Is that the one that's like jet fuel?

SPEAKER_01 35:56

It's supposed it's a synthetic uh antioxidant used to extend the shelf life of bread.

SPEAKER_00 36:03

Love that.

SPEAKER_01 36:04

Guys, look the words that just came out of my mouth sound like a freaking nerve gas agent or something like that. Like, this is insane. Why is it?

SPEAKER_00 36:15

They make that stuff easier to say.

SPEAKER_01 36:17

Yeah, why is it in the food? Butylated hydro. Why is it in the food, guys? Look at that. Why is it in the food? Like, it makes no sense. So, anyway, uh BHT specifically, because it it zero in on that, it's illegal to use elsewhere. Um, you can't use it in Europe, you can't use it in Canada, you can only use it in America with our bread. So it's grass, it's uh generally regarded as safe by the FDA. There you go, FDA. Good job. Generally regarded as safe. Um, if you listened to us before, generally regarded a safe label is something the FDA concedes. It's usually based on the company's own testing, and it's these very minimal doses that are like, oh, look, you see, I gave them a little droplet of this, and nothing happened in the first three days. So it's good to go. It's generally regarded as safe, but they're gonna put way more in the product than they tested for. They're like, we're testing to see and it's very short-term testing.

SPEAKER_00 37:21

But they're generally generally regarded as safe. It's healthy, or, and you're like, or what?

SPEAKER_01 37:26

They're like, or that's just it. You know, just so the thing is they've tied BHT to endocrine disruption, liver and kidney damage, and here we go, school lunches, behavioral issues. Right. So as I said, if BHT is the only thing for everyone. Yep. BHT, the only way it the only place it's used is here in the United States. It's not allowed for use in Europe, it's not allowed for use in Canada. So chew on that. Now, with the breads that they tested, glyphosate in the common breads. So they went on parts per billion. Oh dear lordy. Coming in at number one, the highest parts per billion of glyphosate in your brain. If you remember glyphosate is the pesticide, the roundup, the cancer-cussing chemical that's probably.

SPEAKER_00 38:17

Which side note, I love that Kelly at our gym uses an empty roundup container for the cleaner for the mats. So every time I just see this big roundup thing. It's not, it's just a container labeled for it, right? Because she uses that thing to spray the mats. But anyway, it was just funny.

SPEAKER_01 38:36

So here you go. One bread. Sara Lee honey wheat bread. Sounds great, huh?

SPEAKER_00 38:41

Sounds healthy.

SPEAKER_01 38:43

191 parts per billion of glyphosate. That is an extremely high level of glyphosate. It doesn't sound like much, right?

SPEAKER_00 38:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:50

No, it's plenty. Um, nature zone. Oh, nature zone is that's so healthy. That is so it's nature's sounding.

SPEAKER_00 38:58

So healthy sounding.

SPEAKER_01 38:59

Nature's own butterbread. 190. There you go. Here's uh another one. Nature's own perfectly crafted white. It's perfectly crafted, guys. 132. Wonderbread. Everybody knows Wonderbred.

SPEAKER_00 39:18

My childhood.

unknown 39:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:20

And Iron Kids. I think that was part of Wonder Bread, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 39:22

Now the thing with Wonder Bread is that it's very common and it and it's cheaper. But guess what? It's lower than Sarah Lee. It's only 173 parts per year.

SPEAKER_00 39:30

Right, but you're there was that stigma to where you know Sarah Lee's like more, maybe a little bit more expensive, but you're better if you have it.

SPEAKER_01 39:43

Oh, dude.

SPEAKER_00 39:44

Was it like nobody does it like Sarah Lee or something like that? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:48

Here's one. Dave's killer bread, which is awfully popular right now. We used to eat that bad.

SPEAKER_00 39:52

We used to eat it.

SPEAKER_01 39:53

Yeah, it's awfully popular right now. And I guess at some point, Dave's killer bread might have come out with some awesome bread. I wish we would have taken pictures of the ingredients back then.

SPEAKER_00 40:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:02

Um, because they obviously got acquired and they became a national thing.

SPEAKER_00 40:05

It does taste better than the other ones. I will say that.

SPEAKER_01 40:08

Yeah, and then they got some interesting blends. Yeah. They came out at 10 to 11 parts per billion, which is significantly lower than all this other stuff. Um but they're still on there as high glyphosate levels. Ones that tested um below the detection limit. So doesn't mean that they're glyphosate-free, but they tested below is Cerulee Artesanal White and Pepper Ridge Farm, Farmhouse Hardy White.

SPEAKER_00 40:35

Yeah, those are gonna be more expensive.

SPEAKER_01 40:37

Yeah, that's top shelf bread.

SPEAKER_00 40:39

My mom, my mom growing up, my mom worked at a grocery store. I worked at a grocery store for a little bit. So I just that's why I'm it's not like I'm I just remember. Um, anyway, the the biggest thing with that is that we're not saying to, you know, if you want to eat bread, eat bread. Get that bread. Um, but maybe just take a look into what can I get that's going to have less of a toxic burden. Because getting zero is very hard. And if, especially if, you know, you're lower income like I was growing up, bread was, you know, like put bread broiled in the oven with some butter and cinnamon sugar, um, make it with some chipped beef and gravy for um S H I T on a shingle. And then uh, what else would we use it for? Bologna sandwiches, peanut butter and jelly, like grilled cheese, tuna melts, all these things. I mean, it was it was a staple. So it's hard to get away from it because it is so accessible. And so then it's just finding ways to lower the toxic burden.

SPEAKER_01 41:44

Yep. Um, yeah, yeah, I give you two better options there with uh Sarah Lee or Tsun and White. Like I said, definitely that's probably top shelf bread.

SPEAKER_00 41:53

Or even Wonder Bread. That was the lower one on there.

SPEAKER_01 41:55

Um Dave's Killer was the lower.

SPEAKER_00 41:58

But Dave's killer is gonna be more expensive than Wonder Bread.

SPEAKER_01 42:00

Yep. Now, out of all the common ones, it seems like Wonder Bread is the better option. It's we're talking glyphosate here. That doesn't mean that all the other ingredients are all right. Right. Right? Like when you start seeing the seed oils in there, you start seeing the folligate, all the enriched nonsense that they put in there.

SPEAKER_00 42:16

The best thing to do, the absolute best thing to do is make your own bread at home. And I know a lot of people we did that growing up. At some point, my mom got a bread maker, but then you know, be mindful of what ingredients you're using yourself, or finding a local bakery. We have sea crest sourdough, um, minimal ingredients. So just if you can either make it in your home yourself, source locally, and then trying to find the least um toxic one on the shelf at the grocery store. That's in order, I think.

SPEAKER_01 42:47

Yeah, we can close out with the glory of sourdough bread.

SPEAKER_00 42:50

The glory.

SPEAKER_01 42:51

It's glorious, it's phenomenal. When you eat sourdough bread, like true sourdough, not that stuff they're selling at the grocery store that they're calling sourdough that kind of looks like sourdough. But then when you read the ingredient labels, it's just wonder bread with a little bit of sourdough culture in it. Um, first of all, it keeps really well. People think that it's gonna go stale in two days. It doesn't. It keeps really well.

SPEAKER_00 43:13

We bought a special bag to keep the bread in, so it's linen, but it's lined with uh beeswax.

SPEAKER_01 43:18

Yeah. So it keeps really well on the counter. And then when you toast it, it gets a little hard, and then you toast it and boom, you have glorious bread again. Um, it's good for your gut health. Okay, it's got lots of good gut health microbes in there. That fermentation process basically breaks down stuff in the wheat and that could be problematic to you.

SPEAKER_00 43:40

So a lot of people with gluten intolerance, not allergy, but gluten intolerance can handle sourdough, true sourdough bread better.

SPEAKER_01 43:47

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 43:48

So there are some pizza locally. If you're in South Florida, how you don't use um sourdough crust. So looking for things like that.

SPEAKER_01 43:55

Yep, I put that on there. Possible circumvention of gluten issues due to the fermentation. Process. So that's really good. Same thing with vegetables. People that have issues with vegetables or some vegetables, you cook them a little bit or you ferment them, like sauerkraut and things like that, and boom, that stuff is dealt with. Minimal ingredients. Okay. And then Janie mentioned buying your own. Making sourdough right now, it's like very uh Yeah, but I'm not even saying you have to make sourdough.

SPEAKER_00 44:19

You can just make regular, like we found what those, whenever we do make burgers at home, I get those buns where olive oil they're based in olive oil. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:28

Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:29

You, I mean, you can make that at home.

SPEAKER_01 44:30

Yeah, but it like people making sourdough is getting really popular, making it at home. You buy the starter kit, and then you can make an inordinate amount of sourdough.

SPEAKER_00 44:41

It is a time commitment. That's the reason why I haven't done it now in counter space.

SPEAKER_01 44:46

But you're now you're making your own bread at home, right? So that's some that's an option, and you have all your bread if it's that important to you. And then beware of the fake stuff. Like I said, at the grocery store, that they know sourdough is popular right now. So they'll sell you, they'll put all these sourdough breads in the bakery. But when you pick them up and look at the ingredients or anything but sourdough, true sourdough, three, five ingredients at most, mostly salt, salt, enzyme, sourdough cultures, and your weed. That's it. So oh, and water. So that does that sound like BHG? Like something you can't pronounce? No, it doesn't. You know what all of that is because that's what the Lord wants you to eat.

SPEAKER_00 45:30

So dihydrogen oxide. I'm just trying to make it sound like the BHG.

SPEAKER_01 45:37

No, BHG is insane. It's insane. It just sounds like something you shouldn't eat. Anyway, that's all we got.

SPEAKER_00 45:44

Yeah. So um, if you want more information or insight into breads or how to, you know, pack a school. Oh, a great resource for if you're a family wanting to eat together with food, Sean Model's book, the um Sean Model Family Cookbook, I think is what it's called. Or what's his book, Eat Better?

unknown 46:03

Eat Better.

SPEAKER_00 46:04

Eat Better Family Cookbook. That's something to definitely check out. But anyway, if we can help with anything, please email us at infotachie the lifestyle.com or shoot us a DM at Achieve the Lifestyle on Instagram.

SPEAKER_01 46:17

Go down in the DM.

SPEAKER_00 46:18

Yeah. Um and our website is achievethelifestyle.com.

SPEAKER_01 46:22

With that in mind, guys, I want you to um go to Target or Walmart, wherever you prefer. You could do it on Amazon. Buy yourself a nice lunch box. Okay. I didn't know where you were going. Start packing your lunches.

unknown 46:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 46:37

Okay. Take control over what you're eating. Don't depend on other people to feed you and hopes that they're thinking about your long-term health because they're not. Okay. Pack your lunches. And after you do that, I want you to stay pharma-free. Thanks for listening to the pharmaphobic podcast. If you found this conversation interesting, which I know you did, make sure to follow us on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. And also make sure to check us out on Instagram at Achieve the Lifestyle. And if you're interested in pursuing a stronger, healthier, more capable version of yourself, check out our website at AchievethLifestyle.com.

SPEAKER_00 47:17

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