Ep. 61 - The Glyphosate Rabbit Hole

Glyphosate just got folded into the Defense Production Act, meaning it's now classified as essential to national security. That alone sent us down a rabbit hole we couldn't climb out of.

We get into the Johnson vs. Monsanto case, the ghostwritten study that shaped EPA policy for 25 years, and why the Supreme Court case happening right now could shield Bayer from thousands of pending lawsuits. The U.S. allows nearly six times more glyphosate exposure per day than Canada and Europe — and somehow that's fine.

The part that keeps us up at night isn't the politics. It's that this stuff is killing the gut bacteria that protect us, and the solution the system keeps offering is more pills. If the product is untouchable, who's actually on our side?

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Transcript

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Pharmaphobic is powered by Achieve the Lifestyle, a company dedicated to helping you empower your health, redefine your lifestyle, and all for the health of it. You're listening to Pharmaphobic, where we challenge the state of health in America. I'm Janie, a physician assistant, and I've seen how healthcare keeps people dependent instead of truly healthy.

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And I'm Dan, a veteran Turn Fitness Pro here to uncover the truth and explore simple and sustainable health solutions. From big pharma to big food, we're exposing the conflicts of interest, keeping us sick, and finding better ways to take back our health.

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No fluff, no gimmicks, just real talk, real solutions, and a little bit of fun along the way.

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Hello there. Welcome to another episode of Pharmaphobic, brought to you by Achieve Lifestyle, where we help you become the strongest, healthiest, and most capable version of yourself. As always, guys, we have a special guest in students. Co-host of the podcast. Love of my life makes my life so serene and peaceful. Miss Janie Brown, how are you?

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I'm doing great. How are you?

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I'm getting better at those. I want to make them super awkward for you.

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You're doing great.

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Well, we're back in studio, guys. It's been a couple weeks. We've been around. Producers, Janine, you've been around too. Traveling to join ourselves, spring break, all that stuff. Um, but today we got some serious business to discuss. And before I start, because I got a plethora and a barrage of notes on this, um, I want to kind of set the tone here because this podcast is meant to help people, right? Like our ultimate goal here, our guiding light in this podcast is to help you become stronger, healthier, and more capable, right? So we want to advise you in the ways that we can. We want to point things out to you that could be working against your health. And then we want to give you solutions to whatever challenges you're facing in your health journey.

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Yeah. Awareness precedes change.

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Correct. But to do that, to better do that, we have to like really become aware of just what's out there. And I think today's episode is one of those episodes where I'm gonna grab you by the shoulders and feed you with the fire hose. And then I'm gonna like smack you around a little bit and be like, yo, this is why you gotta be on your P's and Q's when it comes to this health stuff, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:55

Yeah. Why do they say P's and Q's?

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I have no idea. Dotting I's and crossing T's? I don't know. Somebody just likes the alphabet.

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I get the dotting I's and crossing T's, but mind your P's and Q's. Maybe because they're easy to mix up, but then why not mind your B's and D's, lowercase?

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Good question.

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Anyway, sorry.

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You could start that. You could start that. Oh, you know what? Go ahead and run with that. You heard it here first, guys.

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You mind your B's and D's.

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Yep. Mind your B's and D's. Lowercase B's and D's. Um anyway.

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But what we're trying to say is that anytime we bring awareness, sometimes it can be heavy, daunting, but it is all with the goal for you to then change course to become healthier and more knowledgeable.

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Yeah.

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It gets a little uncomfortable because it is true. Ignorance is bliss. Dumb and happy is a thing, right? But we don't want to be dumb. We don't want to be ignorant.

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And you won't be dumb and happy because you're gonna be dumb and sick. That's that's the whole thing.

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But then you got happy pills.

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And you get sicker, and then you need more happy pills. So you see what we're getting at here. I think the whole thing here is that we want, like, you know, you expose the acts of darkness, right? That's Bible right there. You're you're called to exposing darkness, but we're not gonna, you don't dwell on it, right? This isn't for you to be afraid of like, oh my god, what am I gonna do? No, no, no. You be like, oh, I'm aware of this, but my focus is on taking care of myself.

SPEAKER_03 4:35

Yep.

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My focus is on improving my quality of life, my focus is on improving my health. I can see the stumbling blocks, I can see the things that are working against me. I know them well, but my focus and my energy go to what can I do about it, right? Yes. And it may seem like there's nothing you can do about it, but there's always something that you can do about it. That's what I want you to walk away with today.

SPEAKER_03 4:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

Okay, so we're gonna get into this. Um, let me put these old man filters on real quick so I can better see my barrage and plethora of notes. Okay, so recently, this is as of February, I believe this was happened. Defense Production Act, okay? What is it? So, and when this is gonna come into play, the Defense Production Act is basically a law that grants the president the ability to direct companies to prioritize government contracts and allocate resources to certain things, right? For the purposes of national defense, national security, and emergency management. Okay. So, a good example, let's say you are a manufacturer of ammunition. Yeah, you see what I'm getting at.

SPEAKER_02 5:46

You could say steel.

SPEAKER_01 5:47

Steel.

SPEAKER_02 5:47

You don't have to go right to bullets.

SPEAKER_01 5:49

But yeah, bullets is a real one. Yeah, you're a manufacturer of ammunition. You know, under the Defense Production Act, your activities may be protected because they're vital to national security, right? And then, you know, they remove certain roadblocks for you so that you can operate more efficiently because national security.

SPEAKER_03 6:12

Right.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

Okay, so keep that in mind. Why do we care? Okay, February president signed an executive order putting glyphosate-based and elemental phosphorus, phosphorus-based pesticides under the DPA. Okay, so they included glyphosate in the Defense Production Act, okay, as of February, citing food supply security as part of national security. Hey, listen, makes sense to me. We should be caring about our farms, we should be caring about our food production, because that is if you are hungry, you ain't fighting nothing. Your your country is it's done. Nothing else matters if you is hungry, right? So, yeah, food supply is part of national security. Makes perfect sense.

SPEAKER_03 7:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 7:07

Now, under that order, it directs the USDA, everybody knows, Department of Agriculture, and the DOD, Department of Defense, to ensure no rules and regulations impede the flow of these pesticides. Yeah. So I here's the first bone that I have to pick right off the rip. Because, and then we'll go into, you know, because RFK commented on this, and his comment surprised many people. Um last time I checked, there's plenty of people out there in the world that have farmed, are farming, and will farm without the use of glyphosate. So I'm not buying your assessment that glyphosate is extremely important to farming.

SPEAKER_02 7:57

Well, I don't, yes, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 8:00

Just because we use it by the buttload.

SPEAKER_02 8:02

But that's the problem. We use it by the buttload, so it's so entrenched that if you were to yank it out, that would cause an issue. It'd be like it's a critical Jenga piece, and now it just all fell down.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

So it made it, these companies made glyphosate a critical Jenga piece of food production. That was part of RFK's comment. He's like, hey, this is essential to the way we farm right now, so we can't really mess with it. I don't believe you. Because what we're doing is creating a situation where these companies that make this stuff or company are not in a, they won't have to innovate, right? They won't have to change their ways.

SPEAKER_03 8:47

Right.

SPEAKER_01 8:47

And we're gonna get here to the gist of why they have to change their ways because you are guaranteeing what their their product right now is is being made even more essential to the way things are.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

And grants them a little bit of immunity so they can.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

That's where this conversation is going.

SPEAKER_02 9:03

Unfortunately, you would think like, oh, they have immunity so they can just continue to prioritize what they're doing for the better of everyone. But there are more than one instance where then people cut corners, they put things in to drive up their profit because they know there's no consequence to them if it caused ill effect by doing so.

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Yeah.

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So that's where we get into a little bit of trouble.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

And and the whole protection of liability, you're basically building a case to protect these companies from liability for their faulty product. Um, there's one other product that comes to mind, I'll mention it here in a second, that has this sort of protection, right? Um glyphosate is has been proven by multiple studies to be cancerous, right? Very concerning, high likelihood of cancer risk through multiple lawsuits, which I'll lay out here for you a couple of them. Um and people were awarded money because they found that this chemical was directly causational to their cancer.

SPEAKER_02 10:14

Um an RFK headed one of those lawsuits.

SPEAKER_01 10:17

RFK headed one of the the biggest one, really.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:20

Um now put that aside, let's go observational, right? Food allergies, colorectal cancers, um celiac disease, gluten. Autoimmune disorders are on the rise.

SPEAKER_02 10:38

Inflammatory bowel disease, IBS, Crohn's, all this stuff.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

It's on the rise, like exponential rise in recent years, right?

SPEAKER_02 10:47

And so much so it's trending on TikTok, like hot girls have IBS or something like that. Like Yep.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

And then cancer, it is people are getting younger and younger. So the incidences of cancer are going up and the age at which people are getting it going lower.

SPEAKER_02 11:01

Now I think I mean we can see that just by the um the screening recommendations for colonoscopies was 50. Now it's 45.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

So, and and I think that's multifactorial. There's another factor at play here, my theory, and some people have already correlated this factor as well. But glyphosate is absolutely a part of this. And then there was this other study where they did urine samples and found that damn near 100% of people were peeing out glyphosate, yeah. Right? So this is how pervasive and entrenched in what you consume this thing is. Okay. So going off the cancerous stuff, you mentioned uh RFK being a part of the one of the lawsuits. So there was a$289 million victory in California. This is 2018. Um Johnson versus Monsanto in California. That's the name of the case. Um, Dwayne Lee Johnson is the name of the guy that, you know, was the lead in this lawsuit. He was a school groundskeeper, and obviously he sprayed Roundup every day of his life, being a landscaping type of guy, and he got non-Hodgkins lymphoma. Terminal, right? So they went after Monsanto for the Roundup, which was what they found to be a this is this is the thing that that gave you cancer, right? Um think about this$289 million settlement is not inconsequential. That's a big judgment against Monsanto. Um, P.S. When I say Monsanto, it's now Bayer. Bayer acquired Monsanto in 2021, I believe, for$13 billion.

SPEAKER_02 12:43

Yeah, we talked about it on here.

SPEAKER_01 12:44

We've talked, we've mentioned it, but I just want to make sure that that we know say Monsanto and Bayer, it's the same company now. Um, because Bayer, Monsanto had too many things going against it. So I guess they kind of honestly it's kind of cheap for how powerful Monsanto is as a company to sell for 13 billion to Bayer. You know, they make aspirin, baby. Bayer's good to go. You know what I'm saying? So now it's if you could see the the oakie doke, it's more about getting that name out of the press. Um, so it was determined during that case. This case is important because a lot of stuff came out. You know, you start submitting discovery and all this other stuff, and they have to, you know, you have to open the books. Email records were laid out from the internal emails from the company had to be submitted for the case, all this stuff during discovery. So, but during this, they determined that basically Monsanto had known since the 90s, keep in mind that the Roundup, the glyphosate has been in use probably since the 70s. They were testing it in the 60s, started using it in the 70s, and then this is where GMOs and all this sort of thing came from. We've discussed this on the podcast before, so I'm just hitting you with the wave tops. But if you have questions, DM us at Achieve the Lifestyle because it goes down on the DM. Anyway, um, they've known since the 90s, based on their internal communications and their records and stuff that they had to submit for discovery, that this thing was causing issues in people. This is 2018 that we're talking about. So, you know, 20 plus years before, they already knew their product was a problem, right? Let that sit with you for a second. 20 plus years of knowing that you are spraying nonsense on people's food. Okay? Now, 2000, this case was in 2018. Back in 2000, Monsanto felt the need to have a study of their product, right? That said that study determined, hey, our stuff is safe, baby. It's good to go. Um that study was retracted in 2025, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 15:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

But here's the problem with that study. To think about it. 2000 it came out, 2025, it was finally retracted. For 25 years, Monsanto used this study and cited it over 1,300 times to get regulation and things passed in their favor with the EPA, right? So the EPA went ahead and said, hey, this glyphosate stuff's good to go. Look at the study they gave us.

SPEAKER_03 15:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:30

Right. And this is the problem with a lot of these studies and stuff. You got to look at where it's coming from. Like you, we put, we like science, but you got to put an asterisk because these people control this stuff, especially when the FDA, first of all, there I haven't looked at the EPA budget, but I wouldn't be surprised if the EPA budget comes from the industry as well, right? Like the FDA. So you when people, the FDA and the EPA, they have no testing power. They take the test and the scientific research that is given to them by the people that want to submit a product for approval. Make sense? So if I want to put out a supplement and I need to get an FDA approval, I'm gonna give you my research that I did on my own supplement. The FDA isn't gonna do an independent test. Oh no, baby. Come on now. That's okay. That's fine. That's fine. Of course, I have no conflict of interest to you know show you that my products get to go, right? So retracted study took 25 years, and I'll give you the reasons here in a second. But 1300 times to grant all the permissions, get all the permissions from the EPA to for unobstructed use of glyphosate, right? Oh, my nobody fell apart. Oh man. So here's the what the retraction is based on. Okay, carcinogen carcinogen and genotoxicity studies that were not included, but were available. So there you have the one study that Monsanto did. There's four studies that test carcinogen and genotoxicity for glyphosate that basically came out, concluded that it was cancerous.

SPEAKER_03 17:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:21

But Monsanto gave the one, that's the one we're gonna use, baby. And they didn't cite or contest against the other four studies that were available.

SPEAKER_02 17:31

And who did those four studies?

SPEAKER_01 17:33

Um, I didn't write the names down, but they were other not Monsanto, not you know, it was other independent studies, right? Now, based on the emails that were submitted as part of the discovery of this$289 million case, it appears, and I like this language because it's one of those things that it's like, no, this is definitive, but for for legalese, you gotta like allegedly, supposedly, it appears, it looks like um, employees of Monsanto co-authored the study, to put it lightly. The the word being thrown around is ghost written. Ghost, ghost wrote the study.

SPEAKER_03 18:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

Like Drake, baby. You know, Drake ain't spinning those bars himself. There's people writing the bars for Drake. So this is the thing. This study, somebody wrote the bars for the scientists, right? Um, obviously that's a conflict of interest because the people from Monsanto that it looks like they co-wrote, ghost wrote the study, they weren't mentioned as co-authors.

SPEAKER_02 18:33

Yeah. They didn't put their names on the study. What's their paycheck gonna look like if they say, oh no, glyphosate is bad?

SPEAKER_01 18:41

Exactly. Yeah. Not only that, the other scientists that did sign the study, like they did it, they probably got paid from Monsanto by Monsanto. Yeah, sure. To put your name on this study, like I brought you this thesis, just sign it right there, and here's your check. Yeah, you know what I mean? Um this is the case was settled in 2018, so they started discovering all that stuff around 2016, 2017, and they settled it in 2018. And then it took another eight years, 2025, for the scientific community to say, hey, this study's not valid based on these reasons. These other four studies that they didn't counteract, they did that were there before them, you know, these emails, internal emails that it looks like these people co-authored, but they weren't mentioned as co-authors. And then these people got paid by the company to conduct this study. Okay. Now, all of that to say there's future legislation on this glyphosate thing, right? Um, right now, it's April 2026. Right now, the Supreme Court is in session and they're hearing a bunch of cases. But one of the cases that they're hearing is Bayer versus Dernell, I believe it is. Yes, that is correct. Bayer versus Dernell. Now, the the crux of the matter is labeling. There are people like us that want Bayer and all these pesticide makers to label their stuff as a cancer risk. Yep. Basically, the same warning label that goes on cigarettes and alcohol and all this other stuff to go on Roundup and similar materials. That's it. Yep. They're not, if you're up to me, we should shut down the glyphosate factories and figure out a better way to freaking pesticide and herbicide our stuff, right? Yeah. Because there are more holistic, natural options, but that's not what what we're asking for. They're asking put a warning label on the product. And if somebody gets sick from it, you're getting sued. You're liable. Guess what that would do? That would force these people to make a better product.

SPEAKER_02 20:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:57

Right? Now.

SPEAKER_02 21:00

Well, but if they put warning labels on it and then people still get sick, then it's on the person for choosing to consume.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

Because people don't sue Marlboro for Marvelo.

SPEAKER_02 21:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:15

So what you just pointed out is what makes this even more insidious.

SPEAKER_03 21:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:20

It's what makes this even more nefarious. Because if you put a warning label and I still use glyphosate, then it's on me now, right?

SPEAKER_03 21:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:29

But they're fighting this tooth and nail.

SPEAKER_03 21:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:35

So, right? There's no, there's really no reason to fight a warning. They're not telling you you can't make the product anymore. You know, it's just put a warning label on it. Keep making your stupid cigarettes and your stupid whatever, your stupid glyphosate roundup stuff. Just put a warning label on it. You know? There's people that are gonna buy it anyway because it works so well, quote unquote. But you might have a drop in sales and people might be like, Yeah, I'm not touching that stuff anymore. Okay. So the labeling thing, this is this is what's happening. This Dornell versus uh Monsanto or Bayer thing, this guy is out of Missouri. He filed a lawsuit against the makers of glyphosate because he too got cancer.

SPEAKER_02 22:17

What was he?

SPEAKER_01 22:18

Um he's a farmer, I think.

SPEAKER_02 22:19

Farmer?

SPEAKER_01 22:20

Yeah. Okay. He too got cancer, and they gave him 1.25 million, which is nothing. Nothing. That's nothing for this company. That's pennies. Look at the other guy.$289 million settlement. This guy got$1.25. That's nothing. Especially if you have cancer, terminally ill, you'll run through that money, right? Um, but whatever. So he files in Missouri. Missouri gives him the awards him a win, right? Yep, this gave you cancer. Now Bayer filed a petition because their thing was they wanted to retract that settlement because the EPA gave them uh good to go. EPA says we're good based on this study that we submitted. Why are you why are you awarding him a settlement? You know? So then that put it into appeals court and they put it basically took it all the way to the Supreme Court. Now, here's why this case is important. If the Supreme Court sides with Bayer, you're basically giving liability protection to the makers of glyphosate, to Bayer. Because all these other lawsuits, there's thousands of lawsuits pending against this company for the glyphosate. They won't hold up anymore. They won't hold up anymore. Because the Supreme Court will basically say, no, this product is protected at the federal level. It has already been tested, it has already been deemed safe. So we can't have states legislating against the product.

SPEAKER_03 23:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:52

Right? So all these, there's thousands of lawsuits. They're all gonna fall by the wayside and they'll basically be immune of liability for any other products, right? Which in turn, that means that this company won't have to innovate, they won't have to evolve, they can just keep making the same crappy product. Moreover, you could get into a thing where they make it even crappier, but because it's for the same thing, you can't sue them. It's the same product, right? But I just changed some things. Okay. Um if they give it to the guy, Supreme Court sides with the guy, then obviously all these thousands of lawsuits are gonna go through. So Bayer might lose billions of dollars in one fell suit. Yep. Why now you have that in the Supreme Court, and at the same time, you have the Defense Production Act protecting glyphosate.

SPEAKER_02 24:47

Can the Supreme Court challenge the Defense Production Act? Could their ruling challenge it?

SPEAKER_01 24:55

Their ruling could challenge that, but I don't think it's gonna change it. But the ruling could, it's gonna, it's gonna be a collision, right? Okay, because you would have the executive and the legislative branch disagreeing on something, but if they side with Bayer and then, you know, but you could see how the DPA could influence this. So in my mind, I'm like, this is very timely that they lobby, massage, work their way into the DPA in February, knowing that in April they're gonna go before the Supreme Court to argue this case. Because you know they're gonna be like, oh, but president, the White House gave us this freaking deal on the DPA because we're central to national security, baby. You can't touch me. Yeah, you know, and that that that could influence the Supreme Court. It'd be interesting if the Supreme Court rules for the guy what that would do with the DPA. That's fireworks. I'd be curious to see what happens there, right? Now, here's the thing where this all came from, I was listening to a podcast, uh Sean Ryan show, and he had this young man, he's a regenerative farmer out of Iowa.

SPEAKER_02 26:01

And he's running for governor?

SPEAKER_01 26:02

He's running for governor of Iowa, and this guy went in. I mean, he came off the top rope with the glyphosate and the cancer stuff. And he basically, but he's using the framework of Iowa as like the battleground for it, right? Like, hey, this is what's happening in Iowa right now, and it's all because of this stuff, right? So they put me down a rabbit hole of cancer and glyphosate.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

So well on the the Sean Ryan show, they and I've seen this circulating around, they have that photo where they superimpose the highest rates of glyphosate use on top of the highest rates of lymphoma.

SPEAKER_01 26:43

Correct.

SPEAKER_02 26:44

Um and it's oddly one to one the same.

SPEAKER_01 26:49

It's one to one? Yeah. So here's something interesting. Um the most sprayed place, the highest concentration of glyphosate in soil through testing and in water. Because remember, if it goes in the soil, it's gonna seep into the groundwater and then eventually it ends up in your rivers and your lakes. Okay?

SPEAKER_02 27:10

That you're used to.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

That wow. Low-key mad that I didn't say. These people are too young to know that song. Anyway, so the highest concentration of glyphosate in soil is in Iowa. Why? There's a lot of farming in Iowa, right? Corn, soy, uh, marijuana now, like a lot of farming.

SPEAKER_02 27:38

So a lot of, and this gets a lot of farming for the production of feed that then goes to feed our livestock, right? And so I have a when you're ready, I have some information on sort of the secondary effects of glyphosate because you're focusing more on the direct exposure.

SPEAKER_01 27:59

Yeah, yeah. Um so most sprayed state, most glyphosate covered state, Iowa. Now Iowa has experienced an exponential rise in cancer. Oh, what a why are we so sick? Okay. And then if you start putting two and two together and you see correlations and you see strings, you know, you're like, oh, this kind of why why is there more cancer in this state now over the past couple of years? Oh, and they have the highest amount of a fake chemical in their soil, a shady chemical in their soil. Oh, that that has nothing to do with each other. You're just a conspiracy theorist. Okay, keep keep living like that. Anyway, Kentucky, surprisingly, was the highest rate of cancer. 525 per hundred thousand. Iowa's up to 503, right? And rising. This these are older stats. So by now, as the guy was saying, he's like, it's number one. We're number one in cancer in the country. And guess what states are following Iowa in their rise in cancer? Illinois, Nebraska. Sound familiar?

SPEAKER_02 29:13

Farmland?

SPEAKER_01 29:14

A lot of farmland states, right? Okay. They call it the corn belt. So there you go. Corn is sprayed to the wazoos, wheat sprayed to the wazoos. So oh man, here's why I care about all this. You don't have a choice on glyphosate, right? You can't opt out of glyphosate.

SPEAKER_02 29:41

You so you can buy he Dan's right, but you can buy glyphosate-free products. There are some products out there that will put the stamp glyphosate-free. And if you remember, we talked about Florida is measuring the amount of glyphosate in bread. So we were looking at like which ones have the highest, which ones have the lowest, and you know, buy accordingly, if able. However, just because something's glyphosate free, because that farm did not use glyphosate in the production of the plant to then make that product, doesn't mean that there's still not glyphosate in it because.

SPEAKER_01 30:19

So a problem they had when they during the early years of glyphosate usage, right? And you could probably test this in your own home with spraying Roundup. Um, farms, when you talk about farmland, you could have a regenerative farm right here in this plot. And then a mile down, you have a regular industrial farm. That's usually how it works out with a lot of these regenerative farms. They're close to other farms. Yeah. You know, it makes sense. This big ass swath of land is designated as farmland, and we just put a bunch of farms in there, right? And they're all different farms for different stuff, but they're all sharing that space.

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SPEAKER_01 32:47

Yeah, it's sprayed. Some people plain spray it or these massive like shower things that move down the field.

SPEAKER_02 32:54

And I mean, things like wind, runoff, um, you know, seeping into the soil, then going to the stream, which then goes down and then irrigates this land.

SPEAKER_03 33:06

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 33:07

Like these are all factors that you may not think of where, well, I don't use glyphosate on my farm, but the farm five miles up the road does, and then that can still impact your product.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

And that is something when Monsanto started using glyphosate, I mean, and we've done an episode on this, and they were selling it to farmers, these farmers would spray their glyphosate here, and two farms down, people's crops were dying because the glyphosate was going downwind to the thing. So Monsanto, in all their infinite wisdom, instead of making a better product, which is what pisses me off, they decide to keep their crappy product and get into the business of making seeds. GMOs. That's how GMOs were born. So that they could be resistant to the spraying of their toxic soup, right?

SPEAKER_02 33:57

And we all know how that goes when you mess with God's creation.

SPEAKER_01 34:01

I mean, it's just it blows my mind. And this is where this is why, like when you go down these rabbit holes, you only have one answer. There's only one answer that you will reach, one conclusion. People will say it's greed, right? Oh, it's greed, you know, it's for the money, huh? And write it off. Bro, we're talking beyond money now. This is you are a demon, my boy. You are serving demons. You're probably going to weird islands with weird people with lots of money and doing weird stuff to people that don't deserve it. I don't doubt it. Like, this is crazy to me. Don't change the product, bro. It doesn't work. Okay. You're killing crops here, you're killing crops downwind. Why are you gonna then say, you know what? I'm just gonna make my own seed, my own fruit, so that I can spray this crap on this stuff. What to what end?

SPEAKER_02 34:55

To what you put pe then you back people into a corner because here you have to use this herbicide pesticide, or else your crops will die. But if you use it, your crops are dying. So now here's a seed, so you can keep using it, but now your crops won't die.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

So they've really just And now your crops are freaking toxic with covered with this stuff. This is crazy. This is I I'll just it it think about it. Sit there and think about it, right? It's evil. It really, this is evil. So going back to it, you can't opt out of glyphosate. We all like I told you, there's that study where urine samples, they said like 96% of the country is they're they're assuming of the population of the testing samples they had had glyphosate in it. You're not escaping this. You're buying regenerative. If they're down the street from another farm, they're you can they're downwind of glyphosate usage, it's gonna end up there. It goes into the water. If they're irrigating with water from the municipality, there's glyphosate in the water because it's seeping into the ground. It's crazy. It's so crazy that I could take this field that was sprayed with glyphosate and then say, you know what, I'm gonna convert it to not glyphosate. The stuff that comes after will probably have glyphosate in it.

SPEAKER_03 36:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

That's how how forever chemical this thing is, right? So it's extremely difficult to opt out of glyphosate. That's why you have to be, we have to like fight it tooth and nail, right? Yeah. Now you were saying a proof of the fact that this stuff is so pervasive and you can't opt out at it, which were what were you gonna say? You had some.

SPEAKER_02 36:29

Oh, so a few things. So we talked about on a previous episode how when they genetically modify, specifically wheat, they make it so it's more resistant, faster growing. That has coincided with increase in gluten sensitivities, not necessarily celiacs, but just gluten sensitivity, because it makes the wheat different. Um, not how we were evolved to tolerate it. And also, um, with glyphosate specifically, I read a study that compared all the literature as of 2020 on glyphosate. Because, like, is there truly an impact on gut health with glyphosate, or is it just a bunch of you know, junk out there? So that's what they looked at. And the the study did identify there's some limitations. We don't have all the answers yet. I think that's because of neglect of really looking. But um just like right off the surface, and it always goes down to like with other food products, the amount that's allowed in the US is different than the amount that's allowed in other countries. And why is that? I don't understand that.

SPEAKER_01 37:39

So this goes back because I this was my my my shoe dropped note.

SPEAKER_02 37:45

So you do that and then I'll go.

SPEAKER_01 37:47

The same company demonic, weird, kabbalistic, occultish, crazy, greedy Monsanto slash bear makes another product for the European market where they can't spray glyphosate, and the levels of toxic load allowed are way less than in the US. So you make a better product for other markets. You already have a better product. It's not like I'm asking you to invent something new that it's gonna take you two years to develop. You already have it. Yeah. And you're selling us the crap. You're selling us the toxic one, the most toxic one.

SPEAKER_02 38:34

It's the same thing with candy and cereals and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

I don't understand companies that make different products for different markets. That doesn't make sense. One product for all markets cuts, brings your margins down. Like you make more money because your production costs are less.

SPEAKER_02 38:53

Well, one answer is that, and this is what I'll get into it's not the acute effects. It's not like you eat this glyphosate for one meal and you're sick. It's the little drips long-term. Yep. What happens?

SPEAKER_01 39:08

Years and years and years and multiple exposures a day, because you, you know, you took a shower and boom, there's glyphosate in the water. Exactly. Then you drank water from the tap, boom, there's glyphosate in there too. Then you had this bread and there's glyphosate in there too. And next thing you know, you got lumps all over your body and you're dying.

unknown 39:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 39:27

This is I mean, I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_02 39:30

And so um the allowed, and I don't understand how they come up with this, but the acceptable daily intake of glyphosate in the US is 1.75, so milligrams per kilogram of body weight a day. How do we regulate that? Because not all Americans weigh the same. And so I can only get 1.75 ms per keg of my body weight, and you can only get what is that?

SPEAKER_01 39:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:59

You know, and how do you control that if it's in the soil? Yeah, like what yeah, and so I don't understand, but that's what they the acceptable daily intake in the US is 1.75 milligrams per kilogram. In Canada and in the in Europe, it's 0.3 to 0.5.

SPEAKER_01 40:19

Not even way less than half. That's like a quarter of it.

SPEAKER_02 40:22

So, like, but why? Like, be curious. Why is that an acceptable rate there, but not an acceptable rate here?

SPEAKER_01 40:30

You said 0.3 and it's 1.75 here.

SPEAKER_02 40:33

Correct.

SPEAKER_01 40:34

So it's way less than a quarter. You're talking, oh my God, that is dear lord, I didn't even know it was that big a discrepancy.

SPEAKER_02 40:40

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 40:41

So think about that. They make a product that satisfies that. Now, let's go beyond that. Why are we legislating acceptable levels of poisoning ourselves?

SPEAKER_02 40:53

Because then you need medications. Cancer, oh big big bucks.

SPEAKER_01 40:59

Oh, no, cancer. That that's something, yeah. Like if we were to eliminate something like this, remember cancer, two things to remember. One, healthcare is the number one swath of the GDP in this country, okay? Healthcare outspends national security. So defense, which people, there's a lot of money being spent in defense. Healthcare is way more than that. Like the GDP for defense is like 3.5, it maybe goes up to 5%. Healthcare is 11 point.

SPEAKER_02 41:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 41:32

So then here's another thought I just had. Um farmers get sick, the land gets unusable. Oh, sorry, we can't farm anymore. So what are we gonna use that land for?

SPEAKER_01 41:43

3D printed me, put the factories for fake food in there.

SPEAKER_03 41:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

There you go. Or data centers.

SPEAKER_03 41:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:50

Um here's the thing. Let that sit with you for a second.

SPEAKER_02 41:56

That 1.75 and then 0.5 to point 0.3 to 0.5.

SPEAKER_01 42:02

Yeah. Now.

SPEAKER_02 42:02

And Canada. No, we share, like, there's not an ocean between us. Like continuation of land, but theirs is is better. I would be interested to see what's right along the border. If our glyphosate's like creeping creeping.

SPEAKER_01 42:19

Creeping up there. Well, and then this thing with the Iowa thing, the guy was talking about these bodies of water, these lakes and rivers that are that have warnings on them. Like you can't touch this water because there's so much runoff in there from all the farms and stuff. Yeah, that the water is now toxic.

SPEAKER_02 42:35

And just remember, like, glyphosate is one part, right? Something like Roundup, they have other ingredients, uh, other brands and Roundup will have a proprietary blend. Has this all been tested? How does glyphosate interact with all these other things? Does it make it more potent? Does it cancel it out? I doubt that. Does it do they cause ill effects in and of themselves? So these things aren't tested because if you've ever looked at labels and you you pay attention to the active ingredient, or the active ingredient will be bigger, and then it's like inactive ingredients and it's like a bajillion things really small, right? And but just because they're inactive doesn't mean that they're not going to impact you. And if you don't believe me and you you are pro-pharma and you use pills, tell me why some people can only tolerate certain types of thyroid medication or birth control, specifically women. Because if you like, hey, I'm on a birth control, but my insurance changed to a different brand, the active ingredients the same, but the inactive ingredients are different. Now I'm responding differently. Now I'm, you know, spotting between my period just because you change the inactive ingredients. So these things matter. Now, one thing with the glyphosate studies is there has not been a long term study where they followed people on the effects of glyphosate. Okay. And I'm talking about. 20 years. They just the problem with all the studies on glyphosate is they're limited amount of time and they're they use higher doses than we would realistically consume in a day. But that's because they're trying to drive effects to see, because they only have a short amount of time. And they're more often than not doing in animals, not in humans for you know obvious reasons. And so those are the limitations. Okay. But like I said, we're getting dosed repeatedly day after day. If somebody uses cocaine and like rips a line one time, their nose isn't gonna necros and fall off. But if they do cocaine every single day over the course of many years, their nose is gonna fall off. And so we have to look at what's more long-term effects because it's not like we're all eating food from a farm one time and then we're done. We're done.

SPEAKER_00 44:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:49

You know, and so also with the glyphosate studies, they look at toxicity of direct use, but they never tested secondary means of ingestion and how that affects the gut microbiome. And the gut microbiome is an intricate balance. Okay. We there's tons of bacteria in our gut. We eat food, we nourish the good bacteria, and in turn, they give us protection against opportunistic bad bacteria. So it's a little bit of a symbiotic relationship inside our gut, which is really kind of cool. Okay. But they don't, they don't take that into consideration. Like most things, they don't. Like one of the things that achieve the lifestyle we promote is testing your gut health because it matters. And a lot of people will be like, oh no, that that that's um, that's crunchy. Like that doesn't matter. Okay. Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 45:43

Meanwhile, you're having issues digesting food, you have acid reflux, you're pooping weird. Oh, yeah, but it doesn't matter. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 45:52

And we know our gut health, we've talked about on this podcast before, directly influences our mental health.

SPEAKER_01 45:57

Serotonin production.

SPEAKER_02 45:58

Yes. Our gut health directly influences our immune production. Okay. But if you like having poop butt all the time and burping all the time, then fine, do you.

SPEAKER_01 46:08

Being bloated when you eat every time.

unknown 46:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 46:12

So one of the interesting things that they found with glyphosate is that opportunistic bacteria is traditionally bad bacteria because they're taking the opportunity and being there when they shouldn't be there. Okay. Opportunistic bacteria is more likely to be resistant to glyphosate, meaning it can live on the food and then you ingest it. Why our commensal bacteria, these are the good guys that I said, you know, we have that relationship with. We feed them, they help protect us, they are susceptible to glyphosate. So glyphosate is more likely to kill the good things we need, but the bad things that can influence us evade glyphosate. Now, this, like I said, will disrupt this intricate balance. And downstream effects of disrupting that balance can lead to things like gluten sensitivity, wheat sensitivity, acid reflux, colon cancer, because there's more inflammation, more leaky gut, because our commensals, the good guys that are being killed by glyphosate, they're protective for us. So they help maintain a good gut um uh gut lining barrier. So um you won't have leaky gut, which is the popular thing. They protect against those opportunistic pathogens, so they can help um kill them off or not leave space for them. Okay. And they also decrease pro-inflammatory pathways. So a lot of inflammation in the gut can lead to inflammation systemically in our body, especially if you have leaky gut. And so our commensals help decrease that inflammation. And they also help the commensals help maintain a good balance of motility, right? If if our GI system doesn't move efficiently, we get constipated, bloated. Pooping is a way to detox your body. If you're not pooping every day, you just got the bad stuff the body's trying to get rid of, just hanging out. And then if you have a leaky gut, now it's getting out into your body, no thank you. Or you can be too mobile, meaning diarrhea, reflux, abdominal pain, cramping. Now, unfortunately, if you have this and you go to your PCP or your gastroenterologist, they're not gonna say, well, let's look at the balance of your commensals versus opportunistics to maybe see if that's out of whack. No, take some gas X. Here's dicyclamine for your abdominal cramping, here's uh proton pump inhibitor for your acid reflux, here's some Murlax, cholase, Cinna for your constipation. So we're just band-aid, band-aid, band-aid when it's our gut microbiome that's out of balance due to a poison that they're spraying on our food that has astronomical amounts allowed in the US compared to other countries. And we wonder why. When I go to Europe, I don't have issues with bloating or diarrhea or constipation.

SPEAKER_01 49:09

There's there's a lot of people that have been arguing that, you know, those celiac, those gluten allergies that everybody seems to have now here are not necessarily gluten. It's allergies to glyphosate, to the stuff that's sprayed on the wheat here.

SPEAKER_03 49:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:26

Um, and that's why you can go, and our wheat is a GMO so that I can withstand the spray of it. So it's a completely different strand of wheat than the one they grow in Europe and all these other places. So there's that part too.

SPEAKER_02 49:37

But they're and specifically with Roundup and the epidemic that we have in the US with obesity, and people are it more and more light is being shown on the fact of certain commensal bacteria being helpful for things like weight loss. Um, on the Power Athlete podcast, that one woman who does the gut testing talks about um, I think it's bifida bacteria for longevity. Yep, right. So Roundup specifically decreases bacterotes as one type of bacteria. That's good for us in in a normal amount, right? You can have too much of it, but if you don't have enough of it, that can make you more susceptible to diabetes or not, excuse me, diabetes long term, but obesity. Okay. So, you know, people are like, oh, I am genetically predisposed, I have the obesity gene. We talked about that in last episodes with Jose. Not actually true. But when you eat something that's sprayed with Roundup and you decrease a good bacteria in your gut, and now you have the more likelihood of becoming obese, it's just there like we started at the beginning of this episode, there's so much stuff working against us that it can be.

SPEAKER_01 50:52

There's a lot of thread, right?

SPEAKER_02 50:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:54

There's a lot of stuff. It just every this ties to this that ties to that.

SPEAKER_02 50:58

But what I what I want to note is that it all comes down to quality of our food. And I'm not saying that that's an easy fix, but we have bastardized the quality of the food in the US, whether it's processed foods or with foods we grow, to the point where we are driving chronic disease from all of this in our country: obesity, hypertension, hyperlipidemia, heart disease, cancer, cancer, diabetes, mental health disorders.

SPEAKER_01 51:34

And we're sitting here scratching our heads, like, where's all this coming from? And when you open a door and say, hey, we should probably look at this, because there's a lot of correlation to the point that it might be causational without jumping and saying that's it, people don't even want to look at it. Why? It's a lot of money. I mean, if we check the market value of Bayer, it's probably pretty freaking high if they would.

SPEAKER_02 51:57

It's also overwhelming. Cause if because I could see where, given everything that we just said, and you're like, well, I want to avoid glyphosate, but it's so pervasive.

SPEAKER_01 52:11

That's why I say we can't opt out of it. That's why we should care, right? That's why everybody should be able to do it.

SPEAKER_02 52:15

Well, no, but I can see a lot of people just being like, oh well, it is what it is. Can't, you know.

SPEAKER_01 52:22

Yeah, you could do that. You could do that. And then if you get sick or somebody you love gets sick, you're gonna be angry, right? I what I'm trying to say is it doesn't have to be this way.

SPEAKER_02 52:34

It's like us genetically modifying our food and then spraying it bad is like food nephilims.

SPEAKER_01 52:40

Oh no, it's it's terrible. It's like we're creating Franken food, you know? Now, here's the thing Cancer is a$400 billion a year industry. 400 B. A year. A year, that's a lot of money. So if you let's say, you know, the light of God shines on people and they decide, you know what, this glyphosate stuff is pretty bad. Let's get rid of it. Because I know this is I know this is America, guys. We're the innovators, right? We want to beat ourselves in the chest for coming up with everything that's awesome in this world. We sending rockets to space and catching them again. Whereas before they would just dump into the ocean, now they go and come back to the base, right? We're AI out the booty. Like you're making images and making movies on AI and all this stuff. You know, you got self-driving cars going around. We're like, yeah, America. You mean to tell me that we can't figure out how to farm without glyphosate?

SPEAKER_02 53:55

Or what would happen if we just use the formulations of glyphosate that are used in Canada and Europe and we decrease our load? Would we still be able to produce food the way we are? Because, like we said, RFK is like we're so heavily dependent on glyphosate that if we remove it, it will crumble. But at much lower rates, would we correspondingly see lower rates of cancers, GI disruption, things like that?

SPEAKER_01 54:24

And here's the problem Cancer is$400 billion a year. People, I promise you, with I promise you, I will bet everything that I will ever have in my life that there are people sitting in rooms right now saying, how do we make it$500 billion? instead of saying we need to make this$200 billion. Yeah, well, because that's what would happen. If you start taking out these toxic things that we're allowing, and let's go back to the uh the the allowance of toxic. Oh, this is a safe level of toxicity for people. How about no toxicity? Because we don't need it. We don't, we don't have to be exposed to this stuff. We don't have to, there doesn't need to be lead in our food and cadmium and arsenic and all this stuff, other than arsenic, which it can occur naturally and things like rice, other than what occurs naturally, but lead and cadmium and a lot of this stuff is not natural in our food. It's stuff that we're putting in the environment that now it's quote unquote natural and occurring in the soil. Same thing with this glyphosate stuff. So how about zero? How about we don't say, hey, how much toxic load can we take? Okay, that's what we recommend, right? Don't challenge that. But, you know, if something like you were to legislate it, be like, hey, let's use the same stuff that Europe is using. Let's stop bastardizing our wheat and see what happens. And then, you know, cancer incidents, cancer incidents are cut in half. Now you just messed around with a$400 billion a year industry and you took some of their money because they have less and less people going in for they won't provide a solution unless they can make money off the solution. Consider recurring. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:07

Yeah. Cause look at cancer. You can cure cancer, you can live in remission, but chemo, look at breast cancer. Breast cancer, you have to be on something like tamoxifen for five plus years. Okay. Um but I look at it as they just they won't provide a solution unless they can monetize that solution. Look at things like ivermectin was a solution, but you can't make money off that.

SPEAKER_00 56:35

It's super cheap.

SPEAKER_02 56:36

Metformin's great for diabetes, but it's really cheap. So here's SGL2s, here's GLPs, here's insulin, you know, more expensive things. Okay. I just was meeting with a drug rep on they're coming out with new and new uh pneumonia vaccines, right? Because bacteria are smart, which they are, and they can learn how to evade vaccines. And then the old vaccines like Prevnar 13 isn't as impactful now because now there's Prevnar 20 and 21. And so she was saying you cannot because they rec they used to recommend pneumonia vaccines for 65 and above, now it's 50 and above. Because, and in my head, I'm thinking like, oh yeah, because we're all getting sicker and we're all getting more immunocompromised, and we're all be getting these chronic diseases, which then decrease our immunity, which subject us to be to develop uh acquiring pneumonia. Excuse me, I can't talk. But she's like, you can't control how people, because I was eating my lunch. She's like, You eat healthy, but you can't control your patients eating healthy. It's America, you're right. I can't control people. But we also don't educate people on eating healthy. We tell them, like, eat what you're gonna eat, here's your pill. Okay. And she was saying, you can't control people's health, but you can control giving this this immunization. I'm like, well, technically you can't force people to take an immunization, but you can recommend it. But that goes to that's easier for me to tell you, here's the sh vaccine you can take, here's all these benefits, then let's talk about your diet and alcohol use and lifestyle and sleep and stress management. But she was saying, I can give this vaccine and save people. And I'm just like, this is a passive approach to health.

SPEAKER_01 58:30

I'm not saying that the vaccines didn't What does the vaccine come with?

SPEAKER_02 58:36

Well, yeah, I know. I'm not gonna go into all that, like with the other ingredients and things like that.

SPEAKER_00 58:41

But the thing is, is that so did you save a life?

SPEAKER_02 58:45

If you if we didn't have things like glyphosate at the levels that they are in our food, would we have less incidences of cancer and diabetes and obesity and things that make us at higher risk for developing infections? Therefore, we wouldn't need to have a ton of money put into vaccines and ever evolving them. Also, if the Roundup is affecting our gut bacteria, do you think it's impacting the bacteria everywhere else in our body, making it more robust and stronger? I would argue yes. But I'm trying to say is that they won't come up with a solution until they can make money off of it. Oh, look, we have this new vaccine, this vaccine. So we're not gonna try to find a cure for things like pneumonia, which again, bacteria can evade, it's hard to find a cure, but like COVID, or we're not gonna find a cure for cancer, we're not gonna find a cure for diabetes, we're not gonna find a cure for these things to make it go away, but we're gonna pump out a bunch of stuff to help manage it, help make give you the illusion of protection.

SPEAKER_01 59:51

Yeah, that we're doing something about it.

SPEAKER_02 59:52

That we're doing something about it when we're just asking you to spend your money.

SPEAKER_01 59:55

So let's go and and we'll start closing up here. 11.9% of the GDP, I believe. It's 11%. I don't know if I have my points right, because now also by household, the expenditure on healthcare has exceeded the expenditure on food. People spend more money on healthcare than they do on food. It's it's and it's still in the points, like it's 11% for food, 11% for healthcare, but it's like 11.9 to 11.3, right? We would we did this in a previous episode. We a breakdown of the GDP. Healthcare is the number one expenditure in our GDP right now. It's healthcare. I just told you cancer is 400 billion a year. That's one part of healthcare. Okay? If we put diabetes, if we put heart disease in there, and then we put all the other chronic illnesses in there, you're talking trillions, talking trillion dollar situation, right? So these charities that purport to be looking for the cure for cancer and whatnot, go look at their expenditures. Go look at their breakdown of what they do with your donations that you pump in there that you think you're doing something good for somebody else when you donate to these huge cancer charities. Maybe three cents from every dollar gets down to the actual cause. Everything else is used to freaking hold up this nasty bureaucracy, freaking opportun. Man, my Puerto Rican's coming out. Opportunistic, these opportunists.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:31

Opportunistic.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:33

Opportunistic?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:33

Yeah, the Puerto Rican came out. These opportunists, the people that are building these charities and making a crap ton of money off your donations, but very cents from every dollar is what's actually getting down to the cause. And the rest of it is being used to pay salaries and overhead and fancy buildings and fancy events. Disgusting. A lot of those charities are tied to the pharmaceutical companies. I'm just gonna throw that out there. Okay. So you have all this stuff that makes a crap ton of money. They're giving you the illusion that they're solving it. Never, never, don't you dare look at root cause type stuff. Okay? Don't you dare question the use of glyphosate in your food. Don't you dare question the chemicals that are going into your little vaccines and stuff. Don't you dare. Matter of fact, let's put liability protection on them, right? And now, with going back to what we started with this conversation, if this Supreme Court case goes and you combine that with the DPA, glyphosate falls into a liability protection and joins the Almighty vaccine in products that don't have to be innovated, don't have to be improved, probably making people sick, sicker, but they're protected. They're protected. You can't do anything about it because it's codified in law that these products are untouchable.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:52

This is gonna hurt you and you're gonna like it.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:54

Yeah, this is gonna hurt you, but you're gonna take it and you're gonna like it, right? Here's your bread, all sprayed up, you know. So, oh man, this is dark. This is crazy. I um let's close this out because it that that's a lot.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:09

Our next episode next week, we're gonna talk about tips, but let's just leave you with just a couple things you can do to provide some light.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:16

So now get your gut tested. Get your gut tested. I think that's very useful.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:21

Yeah, see where your balance is at. Um, and then could we do things to help promote the good commensals in your gut microbiome to do what they do and also provide you ways to get rid of those opportunistic guys if they're out of balance?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:35

Um, here's one that I'll tell you right now. When you go to Lowe's and Home Depot, and you know you got pesky little weeds in your garden you want to get rid of, there's a big ol' section of Roundup, right? Big ol'. I mean, it's huge. There's so much Roundup, there's all these types. I'm like, yo, when I was growing up, it was just one type of Roundup. Now it's like Roundup for this, Roundup for that, Roundup. Don't buy that crap. Don't buy it, don't touch it. Don't touch it. Don't even, don't even walk down the aisle with it. Just be like, no, we ain't putting money in these demons' pockets. Okay. So my recommendation.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:12

Yeah. There are more natural ways for to for pesticides, and just, you know, look, you can look them up.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:19

Um, yeah, like essential oils, vinegar, things like that that are that are pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:23

I know I've I'm not 100% sure on which ones for which things, so I'm not gonna speak on it, but there are more natural. We used to do it, right? There's natural ways that plants evade pesticides in nature. Let's look at nature as an example and how can we uh promote that versus Nama and do it this way.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:46

So and stop acting like we started farming yesterday when glyphosate was invented, and nobody ever farmed before glyphosate became a thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:56

Stop acting like that. And so farming for thousands of years, and they did it without glyphosate.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:01

So please Dan and I eat a whole natural diet for the most part. We don't eat a lot of processed foods. We try to buy good quality products when we can. But we're pre- we probably still are exposed to glyphosate regularly, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:16

I'm sure if if we peed, we'd have a good, a decent level of the floor.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:20

It's the same thing like with plastics. Like I have this stainless steel coffee cup, right? But it has a plastic lid. Okay. And but it's not a whole plastic cup. So just try to decrease your load when you can. If you use, if you see it the something that's glyphosate free and you have the ability to purchase it, purchase it. Is it still gonna have some glyphosate in it? Sure, but it's gonna be less. So we're talking about decreasing our dose where we can and then also investigating your gut health to see are things out of balance? Can I promote a better balance so I can fight against unfortunately what I have to consume?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:58

Yeah. I and listen. There's always a way, right? Like, there's there's a way decreasing your toxic load is the way to do it. You gotta, you have to, you have to, because there's so much out there working against you that you have to figure out a way to decrease your toxic load if you want to at least have a fighting chance at avoiding some sort of chronic illness or potentially a fatal, a terminal illness, right? Yeah, um just guys, there's only one don't trust these companies and don't trust the government either. Seriously. RFK, I'm disappointed, bro. I'm disappointed. Yeah, a lot of people are I'm this sorely disappointed because he towed the line on this. He said, Oh, unfortunately, glyphosate, it's so essential to our farming that we have to protect it. I want to say bad words right now, but I'm not. I'm gonna keep it Christian up in here. Um, I'm calling nonsense on that, brother. You know better than that. You've been involved in these lawsuits, you've seen the damages, you've gotten people paid for those damages. Why are you towing the line right now? That's insane. That's crazy. You should have thrown a fit, bro. You know, so whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:12

So if you would like to get your gut health tested, you can visit our website, achievethelifestyle.com, click the button, contact us or work with us, and we can get that process started of setting you up with that. You can DM us on Instagram at Achieve the Lifestyle, or just shoot an email if you're just like, I don't want to go to your website, I'm just gonna pull up my Gmail right now. Info at achieve the lifestyle.com. Shoot us a message.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:36

If you're an Instagram type, just hit us with that DM. Yeah. But I didn't say that it goes down in the DM. Guys, this was dark.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:46

But the next one's gonna be brighter.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:47

Yeah, just hey, listen, there's hope, right? Don't here's what I need you to do. Till the next one, okay? Don't buy random. Screw that. Don't even walk down that aisle. You might want to get your gut tested. Hit us up. Got you. And do not put your trust in man or in governments or wait for some weird political person to come and save you from this nonsense. Okay? You gotta trust yourself. And to trust yourself, you gotta get educated and trust God, right? So trust God, get educated with his stuff, with what he ordained, with what he said, this is how your body works. Okay. And stay pharma free.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:37

It doesn't stop. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:41

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SPEAKER_02 1:09:05

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