Ep. 65 - Parents Just Don’t Understand

Our parents are the hardest people to bring into this health thing. Not because they're stubborn, well, okay, partly, but because they came up in a completely different system. One where the family doctor knew your grandmother, pharmaceutical ads weren't on every channel, and if something was on the six o'clock news, it was true.

We get into the nutritional patterns that are quietly doing damage: the reverse eating, the naked carbs, the eggs-are-bad hangover that never quite went away. And why protein isn't just a priority for athletes.

Then there's the gym conversation and the "I don't want to get bulky" objection that apparently has no age limit. The question underneath all of it: how do you change someone's mind when they still see a toddler when they look at you?

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Pharmaphobic is powered by Achieve the Lifestyle, a company dedicated to helping you empower your health, redefine your lifestyle, and all for the health of it. You're listening to Pharmaphobic, where we challenge the state of health in America. I'm Janie, a physician assistant, and I've seen how healthcare keeps people dependent instead of truly healthy.

SPEAKER_00 0:25

And I'm Dan, a veteran turned fitness pro here to uncover the truth and explore simple and sustainable health solutions. From big pharma to big food, we're exposing the conflicts of interest, keeping us sick, and finding better ways to take back our health.

SPEAKER_02 0:40

No fluff, no gimmicks, just real talk, real solutions, and a little bit of fun along the way.

SPEAKER_00 0:50

Hello there. Welcome to another episode of Pharmaphobic, where we help you achieve the strongest, healthiest, and most capable version of yourself. This is brought to you by Achieve the Lifestyle. Guys, before we get to it, I have a very special person to introduce. My lovely co-host, my lovely companion in life. Lovely, always lovely, special guest of the podcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:22

I'm wonderful. How are you?

SPEAKER_00 1:25

I am good. We're about to get into it.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

This episode is a heartfelt conversation to those out there that are feeling frustrated because we're going to talk about the older generation about our parents. So I'm 43 years old.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

I'm 41.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

And my parents are entering their 70s. Um, a lot of my clients are in their 70s. I say a good chunk of my clientele is in their 70s. Um so we're gonna talk about how to convince your parents or aka the boomers how to get into this health thing. Because it seems like out of all the people that we come in contact with, health-wise, they are the hardest to bring along into a comprehensive health strategy.

SPEAKER_02 2:20

They are set in their ways. Love you, mom, love you, dad.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

They don't under the the the fact that they don't understand that Janie gets paid to do this, that we have a business to do this, that you're sought out by a lot of people to do this, they don't get that. They're just yeah, I'm sure they're just hearing their little baby girl saying, Mama, you need to eat better. And you know, they see a six-year-old telling them to eat better type of thing, even though you're 41. That's the only reason I can think of, right? And it's the same thing in my household. Mom, dad, love you. Yeah, I don't, y'all don't, y'all don't be listening to me either. I feel they've gotten better.

SPEAKER_02 3:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

But it was it was a struggle.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

What do you always say? You can't be a prophet in your own.

SPEAKER_00 3:15

You will never be a prophet in your own town.

SPEAKER_02 3:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:17

Like it's just proximity bias is a thing. Same way I couldn't give my lovely wife workout advice when we were first starting out, even though she knew that all I did was dedicate my time to do that.

SPEAKER_02 3:30

Do I not take your workout advice now?

SPEAKER_00 3:32

Eight years in, yes, you do.

SPEAKER_02 3:34

Better late than never.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

You still she'll still fight me, though. I'm like, I think you should do this instead.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

It's not fighting. I question. I'm just curious.

SPEAKER_00 3:42

Okay, eight years in. But even though she knew that all I did. Dan, what are you doing for fun? Oh, I'm listening to this strength and conditioning podcast. Dan, what are you doing for fun? I'm reading this strength and conditioner article. Now, what are you doing for fun? I'm gonna read this book about breathing and all this other stuff. She knew that.

SPEAKER_02 4:00

Let's talk about if we're you're just gonna drag me through the dirt here.

unknown 4:03

Not dragging.

SPEAKER_02 4:04

Let's talk about sleep studies.

SPEAKER_00 4:07

Okay, so boomer. Right, okay.

SPEAKER_02 4:11

Hypocritical much.

unknown 4:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:13

So you'll never be a prophet in your own town. So when you talk to your parents, I either they see, you know, a child, and I get it, because when I talk to my younger sister, I just see she's in her late 30s, but I see a 10-year-old, you know? So parents, I can only imagine they see toddlers in us at 40 some years old. So there's a lot, environmentally speaking, this generation, the boomers, you know, 70s, 80s, what age does boomers.

SPEAKER_02 4:44

I thought, like, aren't people in their 60s, like mid-60s considered? I don't think they're boomers.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

I don't think the uh I have no idea. I don't think mid-60s are boomers, but we we can lump them right now at this very moment. If you're 65 plus, if you're on Medicare, yeah, if you're if you're retired, the 65 plus we're talking about here. We're we're calling them boomers for you know the sake of the conversation, but 65 plus right now, your parents, you know, um retired people that were already, you know, older in the 90s when the internet came about and that sort of thing. Um couple of things. Environmentally speaking, these people grew up in an era when trusted sources were on TV. Right? If you were on TV and the six o'clock news talking about something, you're a trusted source.

SPEAKER_01 5:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

Unquestionable. Hey, this doctor on the six o'clock news, he said, you know, I should be eating oatmeal every morning.

SPEAKER_02 5:46

Right.

SPEAKER_00 5:47

Right.

SPEAKER_02 5:48

Um also your doctors back then was like your family doc. Because I I know like my mother's doctor when she was growing up delivered her, was her mother's doctor, was everyone in her family's doctor. That same doctor delivered me, right? So it was like a true family doctor, knew everything about you.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Yeah, medical conglomerates were not a thing necessarily back then. There were a lot of family, like when you said family practice, it was truly a family practice, right? It was a primary care doctor operating independently, his own practice, and then they dealt with people, you know, like that's my mom's doctor, here's my son, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, pediatricians were like this, that sort of thing.

SPEAKER_02 6:30

Pediatricians probably weren't as prominent. Because family doctor sees like birth to whatever. So you're seeing the whole family. Now, if you have children, you have your doctor, then your kids go to a pediatrician. Not for them.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

Pediatrician was me, like I had a pediatrician, you know, so, but not for our parents. Um, but yeah. Family doctor, you know, it's the name friendly neighborhood doctor type of thing. The clinic's right in the middle in Main Street in town, and that's who everybody goes sees for, I don't know, a 10-mile radius or whatever. Um, so there's that. Um, they came up in a time where pharmaceutical products or pharmaceutical like capture and and domination of the airwaves was not as common. True. Like they probably came up, you know, they were older by the time that pharmaceutical advertising became mainstream, right? Because I feel like that's happened in the 90s where pharmaceutical commercials were all of a sudden everywhere, late 90s. Um, so if you heard of a medication, it was because your doctor put you on it. Um, and there would be a whole lot of talk before you went and got prescribed a new set of pills, but your doctor gave it to you. So, hey, this is what's gonna make me healthy type of thing, right?

SPEAKER_02 7:47

Yeah. Um you could also say with like the family I haven't looked into this, but my mind is now like thinking. Independent family practice doctors who saw you, they weren't like insurance wasn't breathing down their neck regarding like electronic medical records weren't a thing. So you you could literally chart, um, just write down like very simple things just to keep record, right? Now, even if you go in for a sick visit, I have to like check all these boxes, do all these things, like social determinants of health, da-da-da, for strep throat. Yeah, you know?

SPEAKER_00 8:29

And so it now it becomes doctors weren't trapped in a volume-based model back then.

SPEAKER_02 8:36

Yes. And also, I'm thinking about with medications, vaccines, things like that. Now you'll get penalized by insurance if a certain percentage of your patient population, like a certain percentage of your patient population that has diabetes, if their A1C isn't under a certain level, they're not on statin medications, they don't have said vaccines, you'll get dinged. So now it became about pleasing insurance and pleasing the Medicare requirements, pleasing the pleasing that, not caring for patient. Because you could say, well, if you please all this, you take care of the patient, but not always. Right? It should be taking care of the patient, and whatever is necessary and best for that patient can appease some of these things, not let me check these boxes, and then whatever happens to the patient happens. Yep. They weren't stuck in that, they were doing patient care.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

Yeah. And the appointments lasted longer. You know, it could be 30 minutes, it could be 40 minutes. They weren't worried about this tight 15-minute window, you know. So the quality of care was probably a little bit higher. We got to give them that. But the doctor wasn't stuck in, I gotta get this dude out of here. So let me just give him whatever, or I gotta put him in these medications so that I can make more money for this appointment, or I gotta code him a certain way, so I gotta make money so I can make more money of this appointment because the insurance wasn't, you know, taking out of his little piece of the pie, right?

SPEAKER_02 10:07

And also there weren't as many medications. Just as many.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

That's also true.

SPEAKER_02 10:11

Yeah, and so you didn't have as many options to medicate. So what did you do? More lifestyle, right? Now, like it blows my mind how many medications there are for type two diabetes.

SPEAKER_00 10:25

Oof, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

So many.

SPEAKER_00 10:27

And why? As you look at it, there's like the one that's been around a long time actually worked pretty well.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:33

You know, it it uh yeah, that's why that's that's a wild thing. So they've basically came up in a time before the system. We could argue, you know, if you really wear a tinfoil hat like I do, you could we can argue that the the the birth of the corrupted system was already in place, right? The the the beta stages, the the testing stages, the foundational stages of what we have now, the monster that we have now, was already in place and they were migrating towards what they have now, which is venture capital, you know, highly chains of primary care offices and buying out family practices and turning them into a conglomerate, you know, health thing, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

Yeah, it's pretty messed up now that insurance companies own family practices and pharmacies.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

They'll buy out if you if you're a doctor out there with a private practice, a family practice, just wait because they're gonna come knocking on your door with an offer that's gonna be too good to resist. And they might even offer you to stay on and they pay you a salary. That way you don't have to worry about running a practice, they'll run it for you. But what they're gonna do is turn you into this churn of patients where you're gonna see a hundred patients a day at five minutes of visit type of thing. You know, I'm exaggerating a little bit, but I'm not exaggerating also, and just turn that into like this walk in, walk out type of thing. Here's your pills, get the hell out of my face. But our parents came up before that model was in place. So they they learned that you know, they leaned on it, they could trust it a little bit more, right?

SPEAKER_02 12:03

Also, more respect for um, more respect for doctors, more respect for titles can go both ways to a fault and also rightfully so, right? Because it was an educated person. Now, like the amount of verbal abuse I've gotten from patients is astounding. And especially with my parents, they trust their doctor to a fault with things that their doctor's not fully educated on, like nutrition.

SPEAKER_00 12:35

So, and where it's evident, right? But but they are equipped to, you know, the doctor was the health authority back then. Whereas now we're realizing we're seeing the pitfalls that a lot of medical education has regards to exercise, regards to nutrition, and how doctors are not really bridging that gap, you know. Like I always say, my pediatrician, for as long as I could remember, she always smelled like cigarettes and she died of lung cancer. Yeah, God rest her soul. So imagine that person giving you health advice, right? Don't smoke. Yeah, exactly. Don't worry. So, anyway, um there's a they they're very institutionally oriented, very, you know, mainstream conventional wisdom. Like I said, if it was on the six o'clock news and they told them to do something, they're like, Yep, that's what we're doing. Because they freaking what Walter Cronkite said, you know, whatever it was, right? So then to find information, you had to go to, you know, library and seek out books and all this stuff. It was very hard to come across information. Now we have the opposite. Now it's very easy. Now you get bombarded with information, so you're just as, you know, uninformed as you were before, right? Because now it's too much. Whereas before you had this one really hard way to find it, it seems like people, when they did chase that rabbit hole down, they got better informed, they got smarter. Now it's like I can get information anywhere, so I just don't.

SPEAKER_02 14:04

Yeah. And then with all this evolution in medicine, you know, new drugs coming out, new guidelines for things, it's a lot for a provider to stay on top of. So then you have to take a step back and think, well, where are they getting their information from? Is it from a study that a drug rep brought in about a drug that that pharmaceutical company paid for? So biased. Is it from a medical journal, which is funded by a pharmaceutical company, biased? Or are they seeking out their own education, which takes time, but you know, they're seeing 20 to 30 patients a day. They can't keep up on charting. Now they're going home and charting into night and on the weekends. So when do they have time to research if it's not brought to them? So that's something to also consider.

SPEAKER_00 14:52

Yep. And then also they come from a time where obesity wasn't the issue it is today. Um, the food quality was higher than it is today. Even, you know, same products, Oreos in the 80s are completely different than Oreos from today. This is a fact. The ingredient list is different, and that goes for 99% of the products that were in the market back then that are still on the market today. It's a different product than what they were eating back then.

SPEAKER_02 15:20

The home structure has changed. There's more dual incomes instead of one parent home.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

Yep. Um, and then all this digital modernity, modern crap that's like changing circadian rhythms and all that stuff that we haven't figured out how to handle. All that stuff is a problem. Now, this generation has they cling on to stuff, right? And we're all like, we're all creatures of habit. We're gonna cling on to something. Maybe in 30 years you'll be telling me, Dan, why are you still lifting weights? You know, like, because look at me, look at you type of thing. But anyway, um things like the Ansel Keys kind of wisdom that permeated, you know, nutrition advice for ages, the the old health uh food pyramid, that sort of thing. Like, hey, eat heart, healthy carbs, stay away from red meat. They're the generation they got hit with that hard. So they feel guilty if they're eating red meat more than once a month. You know, they feel guilty if they're putting butter on their eggs in the morning.

SPEAKER_02 16:23

Yeah. And also they were not them, but their parents went through the Great Depression. Right. So the generation before them went through the Great Depression. And so their childhoods were likely modeled off of scarcity mindset, right? And so some of them still carry that.

SPEAKER_00 16:41

Yep. The fitness industry wasn't what it is now. And obviously, we didn't need as robust a fitness industry back then because obesity and heart disease and all that stuff, it was climbing, but it wasn't as high as it is today. Um, so let's start with the nutrition first and why it's so hard to kind of uh change nutritional habits for this generation. Here's something that you'll see with older people, your parents, my parents, and my clients, they skip breakfast all the fragran time. And they are they're notorious for the reverse eating, meaning no breakfast, snacky type of lunch, binge out at night for dinner. Okay. Notorious for that. Now, part of that is oh, I'm running off to work, so I don't have time for breakfast. We'll talk about that here in a second. Then it's like, I'm kind of working through lunch type of thing, so I don't have time for a big lunch. And then dinner is where I have time, you know, and my wife is making this big old spread because we're all starving because we didn't really eat throughout the day. Notorious for that cycle of eating, right? Um, they're a little bit more permissive with alcohol than most people are. They think, you know, not to say they drink like college kids, but they don't see the harm in having drinks, you know, I'm gonna have a glass of wine with dinner every night. They don't see the harm in that. Um, they also were told at one point that wine had flavonoids and antioxidants, so you should drink wine, which if you still believe that, fam. Eat the grapes, leave the wine alone, guys. But anyway, um, so there's that part. Now, what do we do with that?

SPEAKER_01 18:32

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_00 18:33

Like, how do we combat that mindset? Because I think with with with parents and that sort of thing, I you gotta go one thing at a time.

SPEAKER_01 18:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:40

We can see 200 things to change, but it's like, hey, we gotta go one thing at a time and kind of hammer them over the head a little bit with the one thing.

SPEAKER_02 18:48

Yeah. Well, I think it goes down to, and maybe this is more complex, but how I look at it is you know, we've talked before about we start to lose muscle mass in our 30s naturally. Sarcopenia just starts, and bone, um, as a consequence of that, bone density decreases. So osteoporosis, osteopenia starts. Um what's very worrisome for me with people who are older is that they start to step away from protein. And because for whatever reason, if it's uncomfortable, if you know they're you know heart healthy, so Cheerios, oats, you know, don't eat red meat, like you mentioned earlier. Um, a lot of people they're you know, they have this codependency type thing where they'll do for others, but not themselves. And so the kids are out of the house, they don't have anybody to cook for. Maybe a spouse or partner passed away. And so I either never cooked or I only cooked for my partner. Now it's just me, so I don't cook it. Or the kids are out of the house, I'm retired, I have money, I'm just gonna eat out because I don't have to cook, you know, that sort of thing. And so um, I'm not saying never do that, never eat out, but I don't know how many studies you need to see. The more you eat at home, the healthier you are. But that's a fact. Now on a physiological level, as we get older, your digestion changes. The communication between the food you intake and how it's metabolized and fed to your body changes. Your um ability to synthesize protein or synthesize muscle from the protein you ingest changes, not for the better. And because of the sarcopenia, because of the decreased protein intake, because of the decrease in movement, insulin resistance becomes more of a thing, which now your muscles can't respond to protein as adequately because of that. And so it's this whole cycle that starts. And one thing I'm really trying to communicate to my parents is that you need more protein exposure in your diet. Okay. I see two different ways this goes. I was just talking to a friend, her grandmother, probably older than a boomer, cannot keep weight on, older, frail woman. And her appetite is meh. And so they're saying, they're telling her, eat anything. Ice cream, anything goes. She's in her eighties and it's she's her the lack of her ability to maintain weight is causing frailty. And so it's just whatever to get fat and protein in your body. Okay. Because ice cream, easier to die, like easier to tolerate and digest than a honk of steak.

SPEAKER_00 21:59

Yeah, yeah. Careful with that though, because her response to food is gonna with no muscle mass, that sort of thing. But I'm talking like blood sugar spikes are gonna be crazy.

SPEAKER_02 22:08

I'm talking like detrimental. Yeah, no, I get it.

SPEAKER_00 22:11

You're you're at a big thing.

SPEAKER_02 22:12

So you see that with older population, they cannot keep weight on at all for whatever reason. Or you see that they struggle with their weight because of this imbalance of fat and muscle due to natural loss of muscle, and also some medications can cause loss of muscle, lack of physical activity, neglect of any sort of resistance training throughout their entire life.

SPEAKER_00 22:35

After that, the obsession with being skinny, because they value with the number on the scale more than anything. They don't know about the value of muscle or anything.

SPEAKER_02 22:44

A high weight is a moral failure.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

Yep. And they're obsessed with, well, when I was in high school, I used to weigh this. That's where, that's what I need to weigh.

SPEAKER_02 22:50

Yeah. And then so what I really try to say to my parents, this population, you need to have protein with every single meal. You need to expose yourself to protein as much as you can because you're not gonna be able to absorb as much at your age because, and here's another thing as we get older, our gastric acid and digestive enzymes, specifically pepsin, decrease, meaning we cannot digest food as easily. So digestion slows. You're gonna feel fuller, faster, longer. And so it's optimizing your diet, getting with a nutritionist, a dietitian to say how we do it. For if you're like the older people that Dan train trains, branch chain amino acids across the board. Because that's just amino acids being exposed to you, especially leucine, because leucine's gonna help with muscle protein synthesis. And so now this is a little nerdy because I have some people who are like, why can't I just want to eat? Like I think of my dad, who's just like just food. Like, I just want food. I don't eat leucine, whatever, right? But unfortunately, with the junk that's in our food, with the propaganda that's been spread about stuff, we need to optimize our nutrition the best way we can.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

They also, this is something too that I notice very carb forward way of planning meals, right? What are we having for dinner? Spaghetti. Okay, where's the protein? Well, we'll figure that out, type of thing. What are we having for dinner? I'm making the the potato, I don't know, scallop potatoes. Okay. What else? You know, versus I try to get people to protein forward, be like, I'm having, I don't know, chicken, whatever, chicken breast, and I'm gonna add scallop potatoes on the side. Yeah, that's a different way of planning your meals. What are you having for breakfast? I'm having egg scramble, yeah, and I'm gonna have a little oatmeal on the side. Okay, now we're cooking.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

So and this goes across the board no matter what age you are. And this is why we're in poor we we are such advocates for gut testing. Because if you cannot digest food properly, you will have indigestion, acid reflux, gas, bloating, but on a more serious consequential level, decreased ability to absorb proteins, micronutrients. So then your bodily processes aren't functioning optimally, you're losing more, you're losing muscle at a faster rate than you naturally would, which then causes issues with blood sugar um utilization. So now we're insulin resistant, now we're frail, now we're osteopenic. And so getting gut health addressed should be part of a routine annual, every two, three years, whatever. Because if if if it's something as simple as chew your food more, let's take this um digestive enzyme or digestive bitters. Maybe you don't need something as aggressive as an enzyme, but addressing that stuff could give you huge, huge benefits. I almost want to do a post about your gut health and your gains. Like if you aren't digesting food properly, you can't gain a lot of heartburn in that population, too.

SPEAKER_00 26:24

Yeah. They all everybody has experience with heartburn. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:27

PPI, like it's Oprah show with the PPIs.

SPEAKER_00 26:30

Everybody has experience with heartburn. It's like I'm like, I've never experienced heartburn.

SPEAKER_02 26:35

One thing that I found with doing the GI GI map is a lot more people than not have H. pylori. Maybe not at like what they dub like infected levels, but it's there. And if it's there, but even at a low level, it can just be like grabbing little microne, like you're like, oh, I'm just gonna take some B12. Oh, you're not gonna digest this very well, so you're not gonna reap the benefits of it. And you need to address that first to help with things. So that's just a little not we're not age discriminate. Everyone needs their gut tested, everyone needs to have good digestive health, but naturally it can decrease as we get older, independent of if you have H. pylori, if you have trouble with your gallbladder or your bile acid to be able to absorb fats properly, all this other stuff.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

Yeah, it it is the eating habits here, and then these people that they think that it's a it takes a little longer for them to say, you know what, I probably shouldn't be eating that.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

Because it's like, oh, it just oh, something I ate last night, but then it happens again and again and again, and it takes a little bit longer. And then their their first recourse is to go to something like a PPI versus I'm gonna stop eating that.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

You know? So that's something to consider there. There's an assumption that if it's on the grocery store, if it's on a shelf in a grocery store, it's good to go. It's good to eat. It's food, right? Whereas reading ingredient labels and things like that are is an afterthought, right? Fun conversation I had with my dad a little bit ago. We're talking about blood work because he's like, I'm falling asleep, and this thing, and all the signs of like elevated blood sugar. But I'm like, you know, you're too high and crashing that. And I'm like, that's what it sounds like to me, dad. So like pull your blood work up. And then he's going through it and he's harping on cholesterol, right? And that's that's what they're trained to do. Because cholesterol, heart health, that that's the only connection you have, right? I'm like, Dad, what's your A1C? Read me the A1C from all these tests that you're three tests. Oh, 5.6 here. Oh, 5.8 here. Oh, 5. That thing, that thing creeping. It's creeping up every test. Then I'm like, oh, that's that's moving up. That's not good. What are the the fasting glucose? Oh, they're creeping too. Okay, tell me what what you're eating. Oh, I'm just having coffee, you know. I put a little put a little uh oat milk in that john, you know, it's all good. I'm like, and and you know what, Dan? I I've been drinking sodas. Like, why are you drinking sodas? That was the first thing. Why are you drinking sodas? I mean, I guess, but I'm like, well, dad, you've never been a soda drinker. Why are you drinking sodas now? Like, why are you doing stuff that you never did in your 60s? That's that's that's wild to me.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

And then when we start looking at the oat milk, it's like, look at the sugar, look at the sugar on that thing. So you're gonna put a little oat milk in there, and then you're gonna put some sugar in it, like a good Puerto Rican. You put a little sugar in your coffee. And now, next thing you know, you're running at 120 blood glucose, so that thing's creeping up. So things like that, you know, we need to look at, right? And you had oatmeal for breakfast and no eggs or nothing to like stave off. So you just sugar bombed yourself for breakfast. It's tough. So, first thing we want to do is a protein forward, take your protein first, and let's go from there, right? Looking at gut health, getting them thinking about this. If you're eating this and you're experiencing acid reflux or whatever um discomfort, gut discomfort multiple times a week, then that's a sign that we're not eating the right stuff, right?

SPEAKER_02 30:29

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SPEAKER_00 32:19

But it's something that needs to be addressed immediately, not just, oh, what a coincidence. I, for the third time this week, I am having discomfort in my gut.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:29

You know?

SPEAKER_02 32:30

And understanding what optimal protein levels are to consume, right? Because if you go by the recommended daily um RDA, the recommended daily allowance, it's the minimum amount of protein for you to lay in bed all day and not die. But most people are more active than that. And so getting 90, 100 grams of protein a day at a minimum, no matter what age you are, is a great place to start. And I I'm it is I'm surprised by how many people find that difficult. And it's because they're filling themselves up with oatmeal or um a huge salad, you know, things like that that are just volume, but it's not optimal nutrients.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

Another one with a little bit people that that are a little bit more health conscious from that generation. They'll eat fruit bowls and things like that, where it's a bowl, big old bowl of just fruit. That's fine. We like fruit, we want to eat fruit, but it always they're like, oh, but my doctor told me that it's raising my blood sugar because they're all creeping on pre-diabetes. A lot of them are running really hot. That has to do with loss of muscle. We're gonna talk about that in a second, and that has to do with decreased movement, right? But a pro uh a fruit bowl is just carbs. Yeah, maybe a little bit of fiber depending on what fruit you pick, but it's just carbs. We want to avoid eating unaccompanying carbs, especially for my carbs. Yeah, naked carbs, especially for my older people. If we're in a decreased activity, decreased muscle mass, because there's no place for that glycogen to go, for that glucose to get stored as glycogen, right? If you if you're losing your muscle. If you were a big old bodybuilder with a lot of muscle on you, then you have plenty of room to store. So the body can be like, oh, I'm just gonna put a lot of this away. That's why having more muscle is better for you. Okay. But eating fruit is good for you. Eating a fruit bowl is not necessarily good for you. So you want to take your fruit bowl and we want to cut that in half or maybe a quarter of that and put it together with some protein and a little bit of fat. Okay. Remember that. No naked carbs. Okay, especially as we're older. Your body is not gonna support that.

SPEAKER_02 35:02

It's like, can we get back to the old southern eating peaches with cottage cheese type of thing?

SPEAKER_00 35:08

Yeah. There you go. That's a reason. There's a reason why that went together. There's a reason why there was eggs at breakfast all the time, et cetera, et cetera, till Ansel Keys told you to eat only oatmeal for breakfast and now diabetes.

SPEAKER_02 35:18

That's another thing, is they came up when the the whole eggs are bad propaganda.

SPEAKER_00 35:22

Oh my right?

SPEAKER_02 35:23

So a lot of them stopped eating eggs. So many older people whose mind I blow, and I'm like, eggs don't raise cholesterol, they're like, what is this hearesy that you're saying?

SPEAKER_00 35:32

Yeah. Or or you explain to them the nutrients, the amount of nutrition in an egg, they're like, wow, I probably should eat more of that, huh?

SPEAKER_02 35:39

They're like, I can eat eggs. I actually just met with a guy who um not older, but I was like, and you can eat eggs. And he's like, Yeah, but eggs cost me farts. And I'm like, all right, um, now we're gonna do a gut test because no.

SPEAKER_00 35:54

Yeah. He's like, you don't fart from eggs, and I was like, and you know, they're they're not for there's some people that might have some type of allergies to it, which makes me, you know, that I start questioning environmental stuff there, but okay, you're you have an allergy to eggs, but you don't like them like my mother, which is that's a pain in the butt.

SPEAKER_02 36:11

But you also have to look at the only time that I've had any sort of gastric distress from eggs was when I bought the prepackaged hard-boiled eggs because I was trial and erring, trialing, doing doing a trial and error. There we go, about how to get more protein throughout my day. And it was like a snack. So I was like, oh, you know, Trader Joe's has like a bag of hard-boiled eggs. I'll just, you know, pop one of those. And then it was like not pleasant for anyone in my vicinity.

SPEAKER_00 36:40

And then you were also eating a lot of like cruciferous greens back then.

SPEAKER_02 36:45

Oh, I used to, you don't want to know about my eating habits.

SPEAKER_00 36:48

Yeah, you were eating a lot of cruciferous greens.

SPEAKER_02 36:51

I had a GI doctor because he used to see patients one day a week out of our office, and he commented on my snack one day, and he's like, How's that going? And I'm like, Um, yeah, you brought that to my attention. Thank you. I had uh one of those freezer bags of microwaveable, you could steam the vegetables. It was Brussels sprouts, and then I had an apple. Yeah, it's a root and tootin' good time.

SPEAKER_00 37:15

That's a ton of fiber. Wow. Yeah, and you wow, yeah, yeah. You don't want that's too much fiber. Yeah, holy crap, that holy crap, it is. That's what's that's what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_02 37:27

Trial and error. Okay, that was an error.

SPEAKER_00 37:31

Wow. So there you go, guys. Pick the apple or the Brussels sprouts, yeah. Um, okay, we're we're we're getting there. So I think this is the start, usually. Nutrition is gonna be changing those nutritional habits is pretty much.

SPEAKER_02 37:44

And it's hard, but it drives the biggest results.

SPEAKER_00 37:48

Yeah, I I think you might have to cook for them, you might have to like, you know, go with them grocery shopping, that sort of thing. Go through another one is these older people, they buy, they don't getting them to go to the grocery store more often, versus they'll they'll be like, I just go once a month, and you buy a bunch of stuff in boxes.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

Yeah, Costco.

SPEAKER_00 38:10

Costco. Oh my god, guys. Guys, Costco is great for certain things.

SPEAKER_02 38:16

So this is where it gets challenging though, because sometimes as you get older, yes, you don't like to go to the grocery store as often, okay? Or maybe you don't like to drive as often, or um you're on a fixed income. So you just go like once, you know, to save money, you buy it in bulk. Um, my parents, they live out in the country. And so they journey into town. I'm kidding, it's not that far, but you know, they they utilize Sam's club because it decreases on the amount of times they have to drive. They've gotten a little bit better about it. It was more so they utilize that when my brother and I were in the home because there's four of us, right? Doesn't make as much sense to get certain things in bulk anymore. But um, so yeah. So you have to to be realistic and work with them at that. Now, fortunately, especially with Costco, you can find some really good protein sources there.

SPEAKER_00 39:12

Yeah, you can. But there's also the propensity to start buying a bunch of stuff in boxes, big old boxes, and then stuffing your pantry with it. Yeah. And now, next thing you know, you're eating everything out of a freaking box or a can. Yes. Which is another one that you have to combat. You know, that that this generation and in my, you know, we came born in the 80s, you know, the TV dinner type of thing, the dinner in a box type of thing, you know, the healthy choice, all that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 39:40

Can never heat it up equally.

SPEAKER_00 39:43

Yeah. And you're heating it up in like aluminum or plastic, terrible food, you know, full of preservatives and just crazy oils and all this stuff. But that mentality also contributed to what we have now, which, you know, there it's this lack of knowledge of what to do with fresh food and and whole foods, right? It's more like, oh, but I just put it in the microwave and it's uh boom, boom, boom, and it's done. Like, yeah, that's not necessarily a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 40:12

It's funny how when they become retired, they seek easier ways to more time efficient, easier ways when they have more time.

SPEAKER_00 40:21

Yeah. And actually doing the thing is good what's gonna keep them sharp, right?

SPEAKER_01 40:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:27

That's another thing, man. I if when you have more time in your hands and you become less active, that's crazy. That's wild. And I get it, you worked really hard, especially if you know you had a business and you ran crazy for 40 years or you were some high-level person. I work with a lot of people like that. I'm a business owner, sold it for a lot of money. Now I'm retired. Now, you know, I'm gonna do my own thing. And you wanna like, it's almost like you're trying to decompress from all that work, right? But it's like, nah, you gotta stay dangerous. You gotta, you gotta stay doing stuff, you gotta stay talking to people, you gotta stay moving around to actually, you know, keep your health, right? Sitting on your butt and and eliminating challenge from your life is not a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 41:08

Yeah. And then the other big, big block I think that makes the most movement is exercise.

SPEAKER_00 41:15

Yeah. And and this is keeping in mind that a lot of them came up in a time when where gyms were not as common. Working out, you know, used to be for bodybuilders and people that wanted to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger or something. You know, they they thought I'm just a regular person.

SPEAKER_02 41:31

So they associate any sort of weightlifting with big, huge muscles.

SPEAKER_00 41:35

And bodybuilding specific, that sort of thing. It's the only reason to lift weights is to be a bodybuilder.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

Or if you're an athlete.

SPEAKER_00 41:42

Or if you're an athlete. Well, a lot of them didn't even know that athletes are lifting a lot of weights now. Yeah. So to them, it's just bodybuilding, right? Yeah. But now I like this because it's start, it's out in the mainstream. It like lifting weights is so undeniable that people are coming to that conclusion, like, I need to lift some weights.

SPEAKER_01 42:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

You know, and then they'll get there by themselves, right? Because it's so undeniable, it's so in the mainstream now, which is a good thing. It's just a matter of getting started and realizing what that's gonna look like for them is not necessarily a bodybuilding routine. You're gonna come do shoulders and arms, and that's it, right? Type of thing. But out of those two rocks, the nutrition and the eating, the easiest one to get done is the gym. Now, well, depends on because depends on the person, right? Because there are some people like men that are gonna be way more stubborn about working out, or even the women, they're like, I just don't want to get bulky. When your 70-year-old mom says, I don't want to get bulky.

SPEAKER_02 42:45

My mother has said that to me.

SPEAKER_00 42:47

Oh dear lord.

SPEAKER_02 42:48

She's like, I just don't want to get big. And I'm like, listen, okay, listen.

SPEAKER_00 42:52

And I'm gonna say seven ounces of protein.

SPEAKER_02 42:55

I'm gonna say this because I have her body type. We got thick legs, okay? We do. I didn't have the best um self-image of them or self-appreciation of them because she did not have good self-image, self-appreciation of them. I've rectified that, so I'm trying to help her rectify that now. So the thing is that we're never gonna have thin thighs. Never. Thigh gaps are not a thing my mother and I will ever experience. Okay. So, but what I am gonna do is if they're not gonna be small, they're gonna be thick, they're gonna be strong. I'm gonna have not gonna have weak, thick legs. No, never. So they're gonna be strong. And the more I work on strengthening my hamstrings, quads, and glutes, the more defined, the more aesthetically pleasing they are.

SPEAKER_00 43:51

You all it also helps. It also helps to find yourself a partner who's gonna appreciate those things, right? Thigh gaps are not attractive. Sorry, ladies.

SPEAKER_03 44:00

Too much food lost.

SPEAKER_00 44:02

Yeah. Not attractive. So when you got some thangs on you, the meaty getaway sticks, right? That could do, you know, you could squat a little house. Like, oh, oh, this is healthy. That's what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_02 44:15

And so you, I'm trying to tell her, I'm like, you will not get thick and you will not get bulky. So I shouldn't say thick. Thick is a good thing. You will not get bulky. You will become defined, and likely your thigh size is not going to change. So they're not going to get bigger. Okay. They may stay the same size, but just tone up. I love that. I want to tone. I just want to I don't want to lift weights. I want to tone up. Guess how you tone up?

unknown 44:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:40

You put on muscle. You lift weights. The other thing is, mom, you're not eating enough to ever get bulky. So stop it. Stop it right now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

And so I know everyone has, whether it's your thighs, your butt, your stomach, your arms, whatever. Lifting weights will help get that aesthetic thing that you want. Also, body dysmorphia run rampant in everyone, even this age population.

SPEAKER_00 45:06

Yeah, they're they're the skinny or bust generation. Like everything is judged of how skinny you look. They don't understand the value of being having good muscle. It's harder for them to capture that, especially if, but I'm heavier. I need to lose weight, right? And that's the default setting of that generation is always I need to lose weight. And I have a lot of conversations about body composition. A lot of conversations about body composition. If you are 65 plus, and really this goes for anybody, but specifically for that older generation, losing weight can be a bad thing. If you lose a crap ton of weight at that age, my assumption is that you're sick. Okay. So jumping on Ozimpic, put that, put an asterisk next to that, next to that, okay? Jumping on GLPs. You're already not eating enough. We're talking about how you're not eating enough. You know, 80-year-olds that get put on GLPs, I think that is criminal behavior, right? Unless you are actually obese, which I doubt you would be 80 if you were. You got to be careful with this stuff. Cause we do not want to lose muscle mass at that age. How hard it is to maintain, how hard it is to gain at that age, and how important it is to your quality of life, we do not want to sacrifice that just to you know appease a number on a scale, right? So I double, triple, quadruple down when people of that age group are talking to me about, oh, but my weight, I immediately step on my in-body right quick, and let me explain this to you and why you can't afford to just lose weight, even if it's muscle.

SPEAKER_02 46:50

Yeah. In all honesty, and I I have seen this, but if you're at any age, but specifically as you get older, strength training should be a non-negotiable. If you take a look at your parents, I can say this, I know you can say this. Look at them and do they have less muscle than they did when you were younger, or do they have more? Or is it the same? More likely you notice that your parents they get smaller, right? Maybe their weight doesn't really change, but they physically look smaller. And that's because they have lost muscle muscle, mustard. They have lost muscle. Now that's through a natural process, but it's also because they haven't been strength training. This generation is huge on cardio, huge on cardio. That's the only thing that they need to do. And then if they specifically women, if they lift weights, it's three to five pounds.

SPEAKER_00 47:45

And they do like some bicep curls and some little aerobic routine with it.

SPEAKER_02 47:48

Yeah. And so strength training is a non-negotiable if you want to have a long, productive life free of insulin resistance, free of osteopenia, osteoporosis, and you want to be able to do things. Okay. So the fact that medical doctors are just, you know, would they give the recommendations do 150 minutes of physical activity a week? What is it? What okay? How?

SPEAKER_00 48:21

Well, now they'll now they're starting to say, oh, you need some resistance training.

SPEAKER_02 48:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:25

What is that? Right. What do I pick the pink dumbles that I've had in the corner of my house for oh I'm resistance training?

SPEAKER_02 48:32

And so most medical providers aren't if they're in shape and they do a specific, like good, efficient strength program themselves, that's unique. They aren't gonna be able to give the recommendations that they need. And a lot of these patients or um people in this generation that I've worked with, you know, they tell me, I yes, I am exercising. And most medical providers will be like, check yes, exercising, where I go, what type of exercise are you doing? I'm strength training. What does that look like? Or I'm lifting weights, what does that look like? I had a guy who three days a week, he goes, he does 15 to 20 wet reps or goes to failure three days a week. What's that doing?

SPEAKER_00 49:22

15 to 20 reps is a lot. Yeah. Especially he's older. Yeah. Like he's boomer age. That's a lot of reps. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:28

Yeah. You're not building muscle at that time. You're gassing yourself. So maybe you have this false sense of, I did so much, right? But what what benefit, what result is it yielding? And so um time and time again, we need to educate our parents, we need to educate our friends, we need to in, you know, promote them to do some sort of resistance training, get them a coach. Think of this as a great birthday Christmas present. For I don't know how many years I've bought my mom personal training through the Y, or I paid for her YMCA membership, or I researched a gym she should go to and then looked up all the trainers and said, go talk to this one. I've even called and talked to a trainer on her behalf, not to tell them what to do, but to tell them what I hope for her to do. Like I want her to increase muscle mass. I want her to decrease her risk of osteoporosis. And then you, as your trainer, use your education to do a plan for her. You know, because I'm not gonna tell a trainer what to do.

SPEAKER_00 50:37

And so I had a client, I have a client that his son dragged him into the gym and said, You need this. And he sat him down and we like negotiated. Son paid for the first month of training, and then the he became obsessed. That's powerful.

SPEAKER_02 50:51

Yeah, you know, so and it's also taking away a barrier because some people are like, I can't afford it. I don't know what gym to go to, I don't know how to find a training.

SPEAKER_00 50:58

I got I got recommendations for you there. If you're gonna, because obviously personal training is really expensive. They could afford it, they sought me out. Um, group training, okay? Finding a strength-based group, semi-private training model where the groups are smaller. I'm not talking about a 20-man CrossFit class. Although, if that's what you can afford, some of these CrossFit gyms are doing really well by separate, you know, they have a seniors class or whatever. You can research that stuff, but find them a group-based thing where they're going to lift weights in a smart way, in a little smart environment. You know, I'm thinking about the gym that I used to work in in New York, Thrive, shout out. I think they become vital strength now. My noon, my 1 p.m. class was all my boomers. They were all 65 plus. Obviously, it's the middle of the day, and they loved it. It was like a little, and you know, they're talking about stuff and boom, boom, boom. And it's all these older people lifting weights. By coincidence, that's what it became, right? That type of setting is powerful. Okay, so find that. It's way more affordable. Below that, I would put something like the why. The whys are getting really good at taking in the older people, the retired, the silver sneakers, the Medicare type people, and writing out strength programs for them. That's what my parents are doing, and kind of coaching them through a very basic progression on machines. That is better than nothing. Okay. So these are options by affordability, personal training, semi-private, group fitness, and then going to a YMC.

SPEAKER_02 52:27

Yeah. And I don't mean to sound cheesy with it, but you know, that's one of the greatest gifts that you can give. If you truly want to give a gift like for Christmas or their birthday, because this is gonna help their longevity, this is gonna help their health, this is gonna help them be more capable, help their confidence, it gets them out of the house, gets them interacting socially. I think that, yeah, if just taking away that financial barrier, even if it's for a month or two, because like with your client, it caught fire, right? And then he continued on. And also explaining to them, they don't have to work with a trainer indefinitely. Like you have some great retention of clients because they can afford it and they like it and they choose to.

SPEAKER_03 53:08

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 53:08

But I know also know that those clients are fully capable of working out by themselves because of what you taught them.

SPEAKER_00 53:14

And they, yeah, and they kind of do already, they'll do something on the other days based on what we do together. Obviously, listen, you know, I'm I when I coach them, I try to like do it like this, you know, be very specific because this is important, right? Because they could get hurt easier.

SPEAKER_03 53:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:27

Um, and you don't want that taste of I got hurt doing gym stuff in their mouth, because then they'll stop doing it and they'll throw out the baby with the bathwater. But it's very important, get them some coaching. I think that that's definitely the most value that you could give your parents. Get them some form of coaching, research it thoroughly. I'm sure in your area there's gonna be some small, independent gym. Don't put your parents in at 45. Don't make me hurt you. Yeah, like don't do that to your mom and dad. Don't put them in these HIT classes, don't do that to your, but there'll be some nice gym where they'll have a seniors program or something like that where they can teach them how to work out in a little group, or you take them to the Y and you get them on one of these, a they write them out a program and kind of coach them through it, you know. Just get them somewhere to live some freaking weights. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 54:17

And one thing I try to do for my my patients, because yes, I'm, you know, certified through the NSCA with the strength coach for special population. So people with chronic illnesses, I I don't train people at a gym. Dan does, okay. And so, but he's taking a lot of additional certifications where he knows how to work around a lot of health issues, specifically orthopedic limitations.

SPEAKER_00 54:41

Um that's all that's that's being in the trenches. Yeah. Your boy in them trenches. So I've trained a lot of people at this point where I'm like, okay, I've if you come to me with an injury, I've probably seen it.

SPEAKER_02 54:52

Yeah. But what I do a lot for my patients, I've been more, we'd be more than happy to help anybody with this. If you're struggling to find for yourself or for your parents or, you know, elder friend or whatever, um, a gym or a strength coach that takes into consideration their current health. Yeah, I mean, that's my bread and butter. Like I'm very passionate about if you have this health limitation, you can still strength train. We just need to do it in a little bit of different way. And most strength coaches know how to do that. Maybe they just need to be aware of, oh, they're on, they're on a beta blocker for their hypertension. So their heart rate runs a bit a little bit lower. So I should never measure their exertion based off their heart rate because it's going to be falsely lower. And also when I put them supine for a bench press, maybe we should wait a beat and sit up first and a second before we just pop up and do something else. Okay. Um, so it's stuff like that where most trainers are capable of doing that, but they just need to be aware. All right. Um, but we'd be more than happy to point people in directions, do a consultation about the perfect, you know, and seek out where you're at. It's just the more people we can lead to strength training, regardless of what their current health state is, the better.

SPEAKER_00 56:11

And I think as we get into the takeaway of this, when it comes to the older people, 65 plus, my boomers, we love you. Um two things are gonna matter the most, you know, and there's other pillars that they need to work on, you know, sleep is usually compromised and that sort of thing. But a lot of that has to do with the eating, right? And the not moving. So getting them lifting weights, we gave you some options there, okay? It doesn't have to be personal training, it doesn't have to be some expensive situation. There are options. YMCAs are really good for this, you know, and but get them some guidance and somebody to take them through something for at least a period of time before they're off on their own doing these workouts and giving them some structure to their training, right? And teaching them what's exertion, like, hey, this is a good level of effort. This is not enough level of effort, this is too much for where you are right now, that sort of thing, okay? And then the other one is that nutrition. We I there you have to break down walls and you have to change paradigms, and that's where you're it's really gonna take you some time to break down that mom. Read the ingredient labels. Look at this stuff. No, you're not eating that. Mom, margarine, out the door. That's nonsense. We're eating butter, okay? Like that that sort of thing. Um, mom, why are you only eating spaghetti at eight o'clock at night? Like, stop it right now. Eat some freaking meat and a little bit to spaghetti. So these are the two things that are gonna reap the most. Now you gotta pick with your parents which one's gonna be easier. Is it gonna be getting them into the gym or is it gonna be to getting pay attention to nutrition? My case, it was the gym. That's where I go to the gym.

SPEAKER_01 58:00

Yeah, for me too.

SPEAKER_00 58:02

Good luck changing Puerto Rican eating habits. Woo! Ciao, that's hard.

SPEAKER_02 58:08

So before we say goodbye, I do want to say, because about sleep, the time got away from us, that is also equally as important. Um, I recently encouraged both my parents to get sleep studies. Some things were found. They're both on um either a BIPAP or a CPAP. Sleep is better. Thank God. Okay. So if you have any sleep issues as an adult or as an older adult, get a sleep study. If you had one 20 years ago and it was normal, get another one. If you if you're snoring, if you feel tired throughout the day, you've gained weight. Gain weight, you woke up with a headache. If you're waking up at night to pee, men, this could be you have an enlarged prostate. But also if you're breathing through your mouth and not breathing through your nose because you're snoring or whatever, you're just mouth breathing, that decreases the vasopressin, which is the antidiuretic hormone. Therefore, you are more likely to get up and pee throughout the night. So if you're like, I can't stop peeing. I'm even tapering my water, but I'm still peeing throughout the night, get a sleep study. Also, if you're a guy, get your prostate checked. Okay. But it's not, it's it's my it's my sleep or my prostate. It's I'm gonna address my sleep and address my prostate. Okay. So sleep studies are huge.

SPEAKER_00 59:34

Okay. Keep it simple on this one. Yep. Share this with your parents, download it on their phone, send it to them, show them how to use the podcast app or the YouTube video. I'm serious, y'all. Okay, I'm serious. I my parents still like my dad's like, I see your stuff on Instagram, but but it goes away. I'm like, Dad, you're looking at stories. You gotta look for the post. So when you see the story, click on it, and then you'll see the post, and you can look at it however many times you want to look at it. Or, you know, sending them a podcast episode be like, Dad, you gotta click on that, you know, and then it'll lead you to the link. If I sent you the Apple link, my bad, because you got a knife, so I'll send you the YouTube, and then you can watch that. Okay. Yep. And the other one I have to tell him is like, you don't have to sit down and watch it, dad. You can do stuff and just have it playing in the background, you know. Just because it's a video doesn't mean you have to sit there and stare at it. It's so funny. Uh, anyway, yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:30

That's cute. Your parents listen.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:32

Yeah, they're they're one of our five listeners. My parents, not just kidding. So share it, guys. Do whatever you have to do to get them to listen or watch this. You know, if they need to sit down and just watch it for a little bit, then whatever. Do what you gotta do. But share, get your parents involved, start thinking about the health of your parents. If you get healthier and you're not bringing your parents along and your kids along, then you're messing up, boo-boo. What is you doing, boo-boo? You get healthier, you have to help other people get healthier. That's the calling. That's what we're saying. This is like a reverse pandemic. Okay. You get one healthier and you infect other people with health. That's what I'm talking about right here.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:13

Okay. All right. That's it. Anything you want to say in closing?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:16

Nope. Um, if you need help with anything, just need advice on anything, we're here to help. That's what Achieve the Lifestyle is. We want to help people. So shoot us an email at info at achieve the lifestyle.com. Check out our website, achieve the lifestyle.com, or shoot us a DM.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:34

It goes down. It do go down. Wow, I just thought people knew. Yeah, I did have a delayed reaction. I was focused on you, of what you were saying. I was paying attention.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:42

Okay. Shoot us a DM on Instagram at achieve the lifestyle.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:46

Yep. And guys, that's an episode. Share. Get your parents involved. Okay. And I'm gonna need you to double down on that. Okay. Really, like it might take more than 25 times of telling them the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:59

And if you're gonna see a little action on it.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:01

And if your mom or aunt or whoever is like, but menopause, well, guess what? Strength training.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:07

Yep. So hormones. Till the next one. Get your parents involved. Okay. Get these boomers booming. Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? No? Anybody here?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:18

You better not wearing your boom shirt.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:20

Mmm. For the boomers.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:22

So get your parents involved, guys. And I'm gonna need you to stay pharma free.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:27

Bye.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:28

Thanks for listening to the pharmaphobic podcast. If you found this conversation interesting, which I know you did, make sure to follow us on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. And also make sure to check us out on Instagram at Achieve the Lifestyle. And if you're interested in pursuing a stronger, healthier, more capable version of yourself, check out our website at AchievethLifestyle.com.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:52

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