Ep. 68 - Health First

We got back from Summer Strong still buzzing, and between Katie deadlifting 235 pounds ten months post-amputation and Nick Lavery completing dive school above the knee, we couldn't stop thinking about what it actually means to refuse a lower standard for yourself.

Then a sports nutritionist reframes everything: performance, health, aesthetics. Pick one, because you can't fully have all three. For most of us, the answer is obvious, even if we've been chasing the wrong one.

Then Driscoll's. Second-highest childhood cancer rate in California. A pesticide California already labels a carcinogen, and another one so toxic the test animals don't survive the study. We're not sure what's scarier: that it's happening, or that nobody's stopping it.

Contact Daniel and Janie:
Email: info@achievethelifestyle.com
Website: achievethelifestyle.com
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Contact Daniel and Janie:

Email: info@achievethelifestyle.com
Website: achievethelifestyle.com
Instagram: @achievethelifestyle

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Pharmaphobic is powered by Achieve the Lifestyle, a company dedicated to helping you empower your health, redefine your lifestyle, and all for the health of it. You're listening to Pharmaphobic, where we challenge the state of health in America. I'm Janie, a physician assistant, and I've seen how healthcare keeps people dependent instead of truly healthy.

SPEAKER_02 0:25

And I'm Dan, a veteran turned fitness pro here to uncover the truth and explore simple and sustainable health solutions. From big pharma to big food, we're exposing the conflicts of interest, keeping us sick, and finding better ways to take back our health.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

No fluff, no gimmicks, just real talk, real solutions, and a little bit of fun along the way.

SPEAKER_02 1:01

As always, I'm here with my lovely co-host, my lovely wife, companion in life, the person that I love the most and that I'm so grateful for. My glasses once, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

Just instant karma.

unknown 1:24

Boom.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

I'm I'm great. My voice is a little um questionable, but I'm okay. I'm here.

SPEAKER_02 1:33

I feel good. Yeah, you've been sounding a little weird the past couple of days.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

I woke up yesterday morning and it was much worse than this, very deep. Um, and Dan was like, Are when's your next show? I'm like, my show, like what? And he's like, Your next show. I'm like, huh? He's like, you're bodybuilding on Annavar. And I'm like, oh no.

SPEAKER_02 1:56

All of a sudden, Janie sounded like a bodybuilding influencer type person. It's like type type woman.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

If you want these gains, just follow my recipe for this protein shake. It's all natural. I'm all natural. I'm a natty, bro.

SPEAKER_02 2:09

Trust me. Yeah, that that type of voice. I'm like, okay. Anyway, guys, we have a lovely show for you today. We're gonna go over some some stuff. You know, you know, you know, you know what stuff is, right? Yeah, it's stuff, just some health stuff. Um, we are fresh back from we were last weekend, we were at Summer Strong. My fifth time going to Summer Strong, Janie's fourth time going to Summer Strong. We usually we've been planning our year. Well, we've Janie plans our year out. Thank you. Because she can't help herself. I just fly by the seat of my pants. I don't know what I'm doing tomorrow. I don't know what I'm doing later today. But Janie knows what we're doing four months from now. You know, that's how she gets down. Yes, and she loves to plan to plan. She plans time to plan stuff. That's how much that's how much you plan.

SPEAKER_00 3:09

You one benefit from it.

SPEAKER_02 3:11

I do.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

And two, you appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 3:14

Um, yes.

SPEAKER_00 3:15

Yeah. And if I didn't do this stuff, like pretty sure you won't, I'll end up registering you for Master's Worlds. You won't do it on your own. I believe you.

unknown 3:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:29

I believe you. So it's for you. You're the one who's like, I want to go to Worlds, but you will not do the Airbnb. You will not book the flight. You will not sign up.

SPEAKER_02 3:38

Here's the thing if I book flights and Airbnbs, we're gonna end up spending way more money than we should, because I don't have the patience to look through it.

SPEAKER_00 3:49

It'll be like $1,000 for one way. Dan's like, whatever. Yeah, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

I don't want to keep looking at this.

SPEAKER_00 3:55

You're done with this.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

Yep. Two minutes in.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

Yeah, I'm done with it.

SPEAKER_02 3:58

That's that's how it is. That's how it is. You remember like back in the day, you used to, I mean, I guess you could still do it, like Travelosity, kayak, all those expedia. I would go on there to look for my flights, and I would literally look to the through the first, you know, you get pages and pages of results, right? And I would literally just look at the first pages, and I was already on the first page, and I was like, I'm done with this. Just get that one. Okay, that sounds fine.

SPEAKER_00 4:21

It's just unfortunate because flight costs are going up and um airlines are just becoming more uh they're just charging for more stuff.

SPEAKER_02 4:32

Yeah, their uh customer service is going down, prices are going up. So you're getting this thing, and I'm and this is oh, you know, it's a little off topic, but you're gonna get me into stuff, you know what I'm saying? Because you're getting less for more. The quality of stuff is going down. And we're okay. Quality of service is going down, the quality of the products is going down, but they're charging us more for it. So you're getting less for more. Insane. And we don't have any option but to and we don't have any option but to uh bohica. Yeah. If you were in the military, you know what bohica is.

SPEAKER_00 5:07

What's bohica?

SPEAKER_02 5:09

Uh bend over here. It comes to.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 5:12

Got it. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:14

Anyway, back to Summer Strong. So, what is Summer Strong? Who puts it on?

SPEAKER_02 5:19

Sornex Exercise Equipment Company. Awesome people. Um, and they make beautiful exercise equipment, usually outfits, um, Division I weight rooms, MLB, MNFL, NHL, MBA, you know, pro weight room, strength and conditioning facilities.

SPEAKER_01 5:38

Um high schools.

SPEAKER_02 5:39

Some high schools will spend money on sornex. Because I mean, the stuff's not cheap, but it's handmade right here in the US of A. And it's great quality. With old American steel. I think it's the standard. I call it the restoration hardware of strength and conditioning equipment.

SPEAKER_00 5:54

But they personalize it as well.

SPEAKER_02 5:56

Yeah, they it's really cool stuff. If you ever pull up a Sorinx rack from, I don't know, like the Lakers or something like that. They look, you know, they're purple and yellow. They got the team emblem on them, the beautiful, beautiful racks. Um, there is uh a scientific study yet to be commissioned, but I believe that if you squat on a Sorenex rack, you squat about 10% more weight.

SPEAKER_00 6:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:19

And then And just see.

SPEAKER_00 6:22

Now I'm not gonna say I know all the ins and outs of the company. I don't, but we've met the owner's son, who I think is now the CEO, right? Yeah, he's the CEO. Um, and his wife. And we, whenever we go to Summer Strong, we interact with the employees because they're they volunteer their time while and they're probably paid, but they stop doing their traditional jobs and they help um like prepare our food and set things up and things like that. And they're all some of the happiest people I've seen. Like everyone, nobody's like bitter, nobody's frustrated, nobody's just um, you know, like people who hate their jobs, how they kind of just have like a negative tone to them. There's none of that around.

SPEAKER_02 7:05

Yeah, it's an American company, American employees, you know, really in South Carolina, like almost like rural South Carolina, where it's at Lexington, it's kind of a bigish town outside of Columbia. Um I every time we go, the vibe is magnificent. Yeah, super chill. You know, you see people not on their phone, everybody's like interacting, you start talking having conversations with people that you've never met in your life, but it's like a deep conversation. You get into some serious topics, right? And you you connect with people. It's really cool. And I really enjoy when I go somewhere and I get to put my phone away, and then I forget that I have a phone for the majority of the day.

SPEAKER_00 7:46

And we were talking about how it's it's um, it's a it's I can I can't, we didn't get much sleep last night. So um I'm like conflicted because I want to be present. I don't want to be on my phone. I want to be able to interact with people, have great conversations. But then when we got home, we're like, oh, we should have taken more pictures.

SPEAKER_02 8:08

Yeah. Right. Like it's like, oh, we didn't take pictures with so and so. We didn't take pictures with so and so. Listen, guys, if we didn't take pictures with you, because we took a couple of pictures, it's not because we didn't love you, it's because we were talking. And I'm gonna whip out the phone.

SPEAKER_03 8:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:21

You know what I mean? And I I like that. I'd rather, you know, kind of live with the memory of it more so than look at me where I was. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:28

So I think the thing you have is, and this is how I explain to people, it is kind of like a family reunion because it's not unlike if you come from a big family and you see your cousins once a year at Thanksgiving or a different holiday or a designated reunion, but you don't see them throughout the rest of the year because of distance or other reasons, but you stay connected to them either through text messaging or social media. This is this group of people.

SPEAKER_02 8:52

Yeah. It's a lot of it's a lot of like a lot of strength and conditioning coaches and a lot of fit pros go to this. It is a quote unquote fitness event or strength and conditioning event.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

We uh continuing education for our strength coach certifications through it, so it does satisfy that. Yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:09

So it's it's awesome that we get to go there, have the magnificent time that we do. And I'm like, I'm gonna get CEUs for this too for my freaking certification. And the food that they serve, dear lord. They serve some good food at Summer Strong. Yeah, oh my god, that pulled pork always at oh phenomenal. And a gator. They well, yeah, we ate alligator this year. That was crazy. The first time I went, they had elk cooked over an open flame. Amazing. They were beating it with rosemary bushes, it was phenomenal. Um be spriggs, yeah, with like they were going on it over the fire.

SPEAKER_00 9:47

But it's one of those things where we cannot see these people for a year, but we get there and it's like, ah, you know, and like Dan mentioned, they're all walks of life. Like, yes, it leans heavily in the strength coach, but there's um like physical therapists, um chiropractors, chiropractors, better nurse this year. Yep, nurse, um academic people, you know. So yes, they're they're in strength and conditioning, but not from like coaching or personal training, but more academics, which is interesting.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

Nutritionists, registered dietitians, um and then uh team, a lot of team people, you know, team people, but then the LCU alibi.

SPEAKER_00 10:28

They always have a military, so they're a big supporter of veterans.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

Um they also contract with the army. So I know they contract with the army, but then facilities for the um the disabled or wounded warrior.

SPEAKER_00 10:42

Is it wounded warrior?

SPEAKER_02 10:43

Warrior Warrior Project.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

Wounded Warrior Project is always involved in um VHP.

SPEAKER_02 10:49

Yes, Virginia High Performance, they're a big wounded warrior project.

SPEAKER_00 10:52

Right, but they work, I because I looked on their website because they always have a big presence there. And one of the speakers works with them, and they do specifically, I think, like a six, eight-week course for veterans. Like you come, you come there for six to eight weeks, and they had do like a whole rehabilitation thing involving physical rehabilitation, um, fitness, nutrition, chiropractic care, um, some cognitive behavioral things or other behavioral things, and then some um like sa sauna, cold plunge, some sort of other sensory thing too. It's really, it's really cool.

SPEAKER_02 11:32

It's like a restoration thing for veterans, you know. They train them. It's you know, obviously there's a strength and conditioning component to it, but there's a rehab, a physical therapy component as well. A lot of it's pretty cool, pretty cool stuff. Um, so speakers.

SPEAKER_00 11:47

So sorry, this so they always have a military affiliated speaker. At least all the years I've been, they have.

SPEAKER_02 11:53

Uh no, they always do. They always have a military affiliated speaker. I think five years in, yeah, I've they always have one. So I've listened to two Medal of Honor recipients speak. I've listened to one. Uh, you got you were there for one. Um, tier one type people, every, you know, like special operators, and then it's like turn they do the blackouts, so turn all the cameras off, and these people share some open stories that kind of they they don't record.

SPEAKER_00 12:18

It's just like that we didn't have that this year. Excuse me, the veteran that or he's not a veteran, he's no, he's a veteran now.

SPEAKER_02 12:27

He retired.

SPEAKER_00 12:27

No, he says he's going through retirement.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

Yeah, he's he's retired.

SPEAKER_00 12:30

Oh, I well, the way he sounded was like an active process. But um he uh he didn't disclose anything like that. And everything he disclosed, I think, was in his book, or he's a public speaker, so it was nothing that yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:43

Cleared stuff. Yeah, it wasn't any top secret type stuff. Yeah. Um, so yeah, we got to listen to Nick Lavery, who That's who I was referring to. If you you look him up on Instagram, um, I think they call him the machine because he is the first above-the-knee amputee to go to return the full operational status on a special forces team.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

And be deployed.

SPEAKER_02 13:07

Yep, and be deployed.

SPEAKER_00 13:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:09

Insane. I mean, the dude's pretty, he's a pretty he's a pretty uh imposing dude. He's huge, but it uh it to be an above-the-knee amputee and he went through dive school, which dive school is crazy. That's one of the hardest schools in the military across the board, like in every service. I mean, insane. He went through dive school as an amputee.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

He went through, so when I think of an amputee, especially because it wasn't like he was an amputee for years and then did it, is the um the time on the um the amputated leg or amputated limb, right? Because there's a so when they when they make it the amputation, that area, I want to call it the stump. I don't know if there's a better name for it, but they um it always tends to scar very nicely over time, like it's very smooth, but over time. And I think maybe he had like 18 months, right? And one of the hardest things, especially when you get a prosthesis, from my experience with patients I've had, granted it's not expansive experience, um, is that the you almost have to build up a callus to that prosthesis as it rubs, right? So just think of like your hands. Like you you never lifted any weights at all, you've never done a pull-up or anything. Your hands hurt after you like grab a barbell, dumbbells do pull-ups, like that hurts, right? Now imagine the full weight of your body on that. And it's rubbing. And so he did he's not a small dude, and he did a ruck march. Like you're gonna get blisters. Ruck march hurts when you have a normal body. Exactly. Is the very concise way of saying what I was gonna say really long-windedly. But that to me, like I understand that, and he's saying, like, I did a ruck march, yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_02 15:07

I'm just like well, it and it's not just doing a ruck march, it's a time gate, right? Because he said he had to well, if it's a little bit more than a little bit. But but if he but he's he had to meet a standard so that they can put him back on a team. So it's not just, oh, I'm able to walk these miles. It's like, no, I walk these miles in a time frame. It's usually a 12 miler in under three hours. By uh SF standards in the army, it has to be above 50-pound ruck if he's doing it for their selection standards and stuff. 50, and then you gotta put water on that. So it ends up being about a 60-pound ruck. That is no punk. That sucks. That sucks.

SPEAKER_03 15:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

Um, to do it with an above-the-knee amputation, insane. I'm right, he's a bigger dude, right? So a 50-pound ruck might feel like smaller to him than what it would than it would to a 130-pound dude, but still, he's an above-the-knee amputee.

SPEAKER_00 16:04

Yeah. So anyway, his his approach to everything was very, it was it was very powerful.

SPEAKER_03 16:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:14

Right? Like his mentality. And same thing with our friend Katie, who I think we're gonna talk about in a second. Um, just their their um, the way they approach every day, the way they approach life, right? Because should we just go ahead and talk about Katie too?

SPEAKER_02 16:29

Yeah, so so and then we had Katie Gillary, who is also, but she's below the knee amputee.

SPEAKER_00 16:35

Yes. Um, so her accident occurred 10 months ago. She was unfortunately in a jet ski accident, rope got wrapped around her leg, she ended up losing the lower half, the lower half of her leg, and she deadlifted 235 pounds at this weekend.

SPEAKER_02 16:52

So she's not even a year into her process. Yeah. And she's Katie's a strength coach at LSU, so she lives off her body, right? Um, if you've ever seen a collegiate strength coach at that, which is what she is, and a Division I school, um, they have this thing called the juice.

unknown 17:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

If you are in the strength coach, strength and conditioning world, you know what the term means, the juice, and it refers to a certain level of uh energy and enthusiasm that you bring when you're coaching people in a session, right? They're all over the place. These collegiate strength coaches are on another level. Yeah. I'm like, yo, I could get a little bit of juice, but it'll never compare. Like my boss at Union was he had juice. Yeah. When he was running the room, he was running the room, and his voice is booming over the loud music, and he's just in people like, come on, come on, you know, it's crazy. So yeah, when you know, coaching division one athletics or division one strength and conditioning, there's you know, a lot of moving parts. It requires a lot, you know, it's a physical job, right? And you're a coach and it's a high energy, high up tempo. You got a lot of teams coming through the weight room and all that stuff. So now she's an amputee. Obviously, that's yeah, that's uh it's different now.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

And so obviously her life's not gonna look the same as it was before, but she's not accepting anything less than what she's what she wants to do or what she uh used to be able to do just in a different way.

SPEAKER_02 18:29

Right. Adjusting like crazy, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

And so, and maybe now she's even doing more, right? And so um one thing is with her and Nick and any amputee or anything, anytime you go through a significant um setback and there's a disability in some way, the general population, the medical society, medical system and everything is so quick and so would so very much say it's okay. Like if if you so give Katie, for example, if she was okay with, you know, not really pushing, learning how to walk again, you know, and just kind of taking it slow or doing a wheelchair and not really pushing herself, more than often people would be like, that's okay. You know, like you've been through a lot, that's okay. Now, being an amputee is not easy, but being an amputee that then challenges what people are pushing you to be content with is even harder.

SPEAKER_02 19:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:35

Right. And so I just like Nick Katie. Um, there was another guy who was an amputee there. I don't know who he was.

SPEAKER_02 19:42

Oh, he's probably a veteran too.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

Yeah. Um, anytime I see them and they're they're doing above the what the general population does when we would all understand and and like allow them to do less than the general population, is just like what the energy they have to put into every day to do that, I don't think most people can wrap their head around. Like, I can't either, you know, but it's just like I can appreciate how much effort that takes every day because you just um who was saying, oh, there was another strength coach, uh the uh Italian guy. Um, how he was saying how he was gonna move away from his home. Oh, because he was having his family was supporting his misery, him staying his contentment, his misery. Yeah, his complacency. And I feel like the medical system so often will support somebody's complacency. And then you put it in an extreme, like an amputee, and that person has to actively work against, like, no, I expect more of myself. I want to do more for myself, I deserve more for myself. I think that that's like, I don't think enough credit's given for that because that's an everyday thing, and that's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 21:05

Yeah, there's a lot of perspective there, right? Um I think you could see it in both their dispositions where they're like, okay, this is I have to change things, but I don't have to stop things. And um I made me think about, you know, health journey, right? People have setbacks in health. Um people don't have it and they're trying to get it, and it's hard. And some people just fold like that at the first little bump in the road, right? And here are these people that are like, oh no, I lost a leg, fam. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm going harder than ever now. Now I'm really going.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:47

I gotta respect that.

SPEAKER_00 21:48

Yeah, one thing Katie said, and I think it's been said different ways, but she said it, and I really like the way she said it. This didn't happen to me, this happened for me. And I think if most people People would approach either their traumas or life that way. And that can be a hard thing to like, especially if you're not healed or you're not, you haven't sort of accepted and moved on. That that can be really hard to swallow. But and I think we're gonna talk about this later too. But some people get stuck in their trauma, like, oh, this happened to me. Oh, what was me? So it happened. You can't change that. It happened for you. Let's use this. What are you gonna do moving forward?

SPEAKER_02 22:32

Yeah, like I guess it's it's looking for solutions, right? Versus just focusing on the problem where you like, okay, I know I have this problem, but let me start looking for solutions. And I think there's that's where healing comes from. That's where you know overcoming circumstances comes from. And I know a lot of this stuff is like uh cliche to some people, but guess what? Y'all still not doing it. Yeah, you're still not doing it. You know, I to wrap it, I remember years ago when I was coaching CrossFit. I had one of this guy, good, he was a friend of mine. We almost went into business together, almost. Um he showed up to the gym, and the CrossFit gym was a dungeon. You guys remember what CrossFit gyms, I mean, they still look like that, you know, garage doors, that sort of thing. It was hot as hell. Texas, this is it was hot. And he shows up to the gym in his little chinos from work with a little polo from his business and that sort of thing. And he always wore a hat. And he shows up and he's like, Oh, I forgot my workout clothes. He didn't live too far from the gym. And I was like, bro, I mean this last class of the day, like, I don't know what you want to do. He's like, gotta go. So he worked out in his freaking chinos, and I mean, in in the in that Texas heat, you know, he got it. Like the chinos were all freaking sweaty. I mean, I was like, damn. I took a picture of him and posted on the gym page. And he was, and he's like, he what he said is like, don't look for, look for a way, not a way out. Yeah. I'm like, you know what? That's pretty good. That's pretty good. And that that's it. That that's what it comes down to. I feel like that Katie and Nick Lavery pretty much embody that at a very high level. Um, we're hoping to have Katie on the podcast here soon. She, I think, I mean, her energy and her perspective are gonna be really good for people to listen to.

SPEAKER_00 24:27

We might be able to do it in person, but if not, then virtually.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

Yeah, whatever. But it she'll come through. She's got that juice. Yeah, she got the juice. It'll she'll come through. So, you know. Um, another thing that I wanted to point out here for Summer Strong, things that we learned, obviously the perspective and all that stuff, but um, oh, lifting with friends, guys. Oh, I think I took, I posted a couple videos over there, but I don't think it makes people, unless you're there, you don't understand what it's like to have a room full of hundreds of people, strong, strong, strong people. You've never seen somebody squat 500, 600, somebody deadlift 700. It's crazy, right?

SPEAKER_00 25:07

But or even not deadlifting that that much, but maybe it's a PR for them, and you just see like Yeah, but you just put it all out there, and that's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 25:17

You got a guy that can deadlift 700 cheering on somebody who's deadlifting 250 for the first time in the year, and that's pretty cool, right? Because I mean, to him, he doesn't even touch the bar before it has at least 400 pounds on it. Because it's like, what am I even doing?

SPEAKER_00 25:31

And then you have Brandon Lilly who just pulls 550 cold.

SPEAKER_02 25:35

Cold.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

Cold pulls 550 just in front of every all the guys that are struggling.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

Well, and then the thing is, if you know that name, he's one of the old Westside barbell lifters. He was a world record-holding power lifter. He looks nothing like what he, he's probably a hundred something pounds lighter than he was back then, and not on any of the juice that he was back then. But, you know, to him, he's looking at people lift even 700 might be cute to him from where he was back in the day, right? But you know, people are getting cheered on, they're getting encouraged. It's really cool. Um, our friend Ben, he PR'd like crazy on the squat.

SPEAKER_01 26:08

Oh, he did?

SPEAKER_02 26:09

Oh my God. He PR'd, he was worried that he couldn't hit 315. Oh, he was worried that he couldn't hit 315. He was and then he hit it and it he did reps with it. But it's like the energy, right? Like people are like, come on, bro. There's literally like 40 dudes around one squat rack yelling at him. And then he went, they put 365 on it, and he hit that too. And oh man, and he fought that. Yeah, like that was like a six or seven second squat.

SPEAKER_00 26:35

It was a it was a tempo up.

SPEAKER_02 26:37

Yeah, you guys, if if you're maxing out like a six or seven-second level of strain is crazy, right? Like you're putting out, you're dying on there under that bar. So yeah, it was it was pretty cool. He was like, I never thought I could squat that. It's like, oh, when you're in summer strong, you go squat it. You go squat it.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

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SPEAKER_02 28:41

But anyway, uh Tyler Minton, nutrition.

SPEAKER_00 28:45

Yeah, so Tyler Minton or Minton, um, he's um he works for Virginia High Performance.

SPEAKER_02 28:51

Now he does. Yeah, but he used to be, he still does independent stuff.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

But yeah, and he also does independent stuff. So he gave a talk about nutrition, and I really like the way he shaped it. Um, and he gave some great tips as well. One thing that one thing that I really like as well. Um, but he he classified your nutrition goals are all can all be put into three buckets. Athletic or no performance, performance, health, or aesthetics. And you if you go all in on one, you kind of can't have the others.

SPEAKER_02 29:28

Yeah, you sacrifice the others. Well, depending on what you're doing, you're gonna sacrifice the others.

SPEAKER_00 29:33

Yeah, and you can't say, well, I want health and aesthetics, because in order to have aesthetics, you have to sacrifice health. And in order to have health, you can't have perfect aesthetics. So but if you focus on performance or health, you're likely gonna look good, right?

SPEAKER_02 29:54

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So but I think we need to like like bucket it. If we go aesthetics, think about somebody cutting for a bodybuilding show.

SPEAKER_00 30:01

Yeah. Um if we go So aesthetics would be you only care about how you look.

SPEAKER_02 30:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:07

You only care about what the weight is, literally, the pant size. Literally. And I think that's what a lot of people in the general population, when they go to start their health journey, they just think aesthetics.

SPEAKER_02 30:20

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 30:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:21

And then performance, it's like, you know, a strong man competitor, a football, a lineman. You know, like these guys have to eat stupid amounts of food. Well, think about it.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

What would performance look like for general population?

SPEAKER_02 30:35

What would performance look like for general population? Well, I mean, it's not gonna be the same because I don't think people are gonna eat at that level. Like we're talking about people that are gonna pound.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

Well, say, well, no, so no, no. So let's just say this. Say you want to do a 5K performance. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:54

Not at the level that Tyler was talking about.

SPEAKER_00 30:56

But I'm just saying that that's I understand, but that's what they are gonna like. My goal is to run a 5K under or like couch to 5k. Yeah. My goal is a high rocks comp.

SPEAKER_02 31:08

Yeah, it's my goal is we we're gonna sprinkle, but for the average person, their level of of effort and put out on it, it's still gonna be on the health side, I would say. You could fuel it with with a health approach.

SPEAKER_00 31:21

But their goal is performance. And so if somebody's like, I don't want to run a 5K, I don't care, then it's like, but should I get my blood work done? It's like, well, no, because you just want to run your 5K, right? And so, and then health would be like, I want to eat and exercise to improve my blood sugar, my blood pressure, my cholesterol for long like Dan and I stood up when he's like, Who's you know, in it for health? We did, because in my mind, I for my goal for eating and exercise is longevity, which is health, right? And so, do I want to perform well? Yeah, but not at the sacrifice of my health. Do I want to look good? Sure, but not at the sacrifice of my health.

SPEAKER_02 32:02

Yeah, when we talk performing, like you might be talking like added calories, right? Like your caloric intake might be way higher because all that matters is that you can do things fast, you can do them for a long time.

SPEAKER_00 32:12

Well, performance would be you're not, you some people naturally will, but just to give like a very crude example, you're not worried about having a six-pack. You're worried about how fast or how well you're gonna perform.

SPEAKER_02 32:26

Michael Phelps eating the famous 10,000 calorie a day diet when he was at the peak of his competitive career. That's a performance-based diet. Yeah. I doubt Michael Phelps even eats half of that.

SPEAKER_00 32:37

I think of that rugby girl who's really popular. Um, oh gosh.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

The the the New Zealander?

SPEAKER_00 32:44

No, no, no. Um what's her name starts with I.

SPEAKER_02 32:50

I have no idea. The one that was on Sports Illustrated cover.

SPEAKER_00 32:53

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. She she looks great. She looks powerful. She looks like an athlete. She performs at a very high level. She doesn't have a six-pack. She doesn't have, you know, 13% body fat like a bodybuilder female, or maybe even less, you know, and but she's powerful. She's strong.

SPEAKER_03 33:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:14

She, her nutrition and exercise are geared towards performance.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

Yep. So a lot a and a lot of that it looks very different, right? You know, when bodybuilders cut for a show, when it's pure aesthetics, you know, you're dropping fat levels super low. Like all that matters is how you look. And when they get there, like some of these bodybuilders, when they get on stage, you know, they might pass out afterwards when they're that lean.

SPEAKER_00 33:37

And for women, it's not uncommon to have well, men and women can have hormonal issues after doing body composite or body um.

SPEAKER_02 33:46

Bodybuilding.

SPEAKER_00 33:47

I really can't think today. Bodybuilding shows. But one of the biggest things that gets disrupted is gut health and thyroid.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

Yeah. And then they're eating like this same thing, like the chicken and rice and the right, like super, it's just a different thing.

SPEAKER_00 34:01

Yeah, the manipulation of the food, like the swinging of like the salt versus water and the carbs versus proteins and things like that. It's just whoo.

SPEAKER_02 34:09

So obviously, what we talk about here, we want to talk about eating for health. Health. Because we know that if you chase the health, the aesthetics are gonna follow. Are you gonna look, and even the performance, right? You're gonna perform better. But are you gonna look like somebody who's ready to be on the cover of freaking muscle and fitness? No, you're not. You might have a little bit of a little, little something, something here. It's all good. A little power pouch. A little power pouch. It's all good, baby. You know what I'm saying? That's a healthy power pouch. You're still body fat percentages are in check, you know. You're not gonna be Pillsbury Doughboy either. Yeah. So it's health first, right? And a lot of stuff, and he he even spoke about. So, and Tyler works with like his claim to fame is, you know, high-level UFC fighters managing their weight cuts, you know, John Jones being one of them, like these really high Kabib. Yeah. Like, if you've watched MMA, you know who these people are. Otherwise, they're like Hall of Fame career type UFC fighters. And this is the guy that was managing their nutrition. And he talks about cycling them through the year, even with the NFL guys that he works, where he's like, at some point, they have to come back to health. And he talks about doing eating for health. You know, bring up the fats, make sure you're getting plenty of protein, vary the spectrum of what you're eating so that you can kind of let the body reset a little bit. And then it makes doing the aesthetics or the performance stuff down the road when you have to go back to it, it makes it easier because your body's at a good baseline, right? Um, for us in the gen pop, that should make a lot of sense because you know, eventually people want to go on a cut or whatever, but it just says that the majority of the time you should be eating for your health.

SPEAKER_00 35:47

Yeah. Well, and I think of it where I've heard numerous people say, like, um, I'm always two weeks out, or you don't have to get ready if you stay ready. Um, somebody else mentioned that as well. I can't remember. But it from my mind, and let me know if you agree, if you prioritize health and you're spend most of your time eating and exercising and sleeping and hydrating and managing your stress for health. If at any moment you need to do some more aesthetics or you need to do performance, it's easy for you to toggle to either of those than if you live for aesthetics, then all of a sudden you need to perform.

SPEAKER_02 36:24

Correct.

SPEAKER_00 36:24

Right.

SPEAKER_02 36:25

That is I think that is absolutely correct. If you are loyal to a that health first approach in your eating, you are closer to the other sides of the, you know, the trifecta, right? Than if you were on one side only. Yeah. Now, if I had to pick one, I would say perform it, but you see, most people like the gen pop, they can't sustain a performance approach because that's how very high, like your caloric intake is high or that sort of thing.

SPEAKER_00 36:55

Not to mention things like sleep aren't as prioritized. Um, blood and hormone levels aren't as prioritized. Like, sure, you want them optimal because they're gonna aid in performance, but they're not a priority. It's for performance. So this is where it becomes like elite-level athletes. This is where it makes sense. So if you're getting paid, you receive a paycheck based on your performance. It makes sense to um gear your nutrition exercise for performance.

SPEAKER_02 37:25

Um, maybe even if you're a a big, a big example here that he gave, he was using one of his NFL linemen types, right? Yeah. Linemen usually like the the teams, depending on what team they are, they care about their weight in the sense that they have to be heavy. Heavy.

SPEAKER_03 37:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:40

They like if you have a lineman that's closer to 300 or even under 300 pounds, the team doesn't like that. These guys are drafting dudes that are damn near 400 pounds to to play the line, right? So they want them heavy. And some of these guys, I think it's unhealthy, you know, and and John Wellbourne will talk to this because he was a lineman, but he was 8% body fat and over 300 pounds. Yeah, that's a monster.

SPEAKER_03 38:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:08

Versus I'm 350, but I'm 30% body fat. You know, and I disagree. Like, there's some kid that was playing for Florida, and I think they drafted him. He was 420 pounds. Monster. Like, there's a highlight of him taking this freaking defensive player. Like, he put his hands under the pads and he literally lifted him up and body slammed him. It's the craziest. I mean, it looked like a WWE highlight. I was like, holy crap, this dude is a monster. I mean, that kid probably weighs 250 and he just body slammed him on the field. But does he need to be 400 pounds? He's probably his blood sugars are out of whack, his hormones are out of whack, he's playing football like a beast, but it's, you know, his joints are begging for mercy at 400-something pounds, and he's trying to like run and cut a little bit, even though the linemen play a little bit more uh standstill game. But anyway, the priority is performance, right? So your performance, you have to be a certain weight, you have to be able to hit another dude really hard and play that thing real quick, be strong as hell. Your weight numbers have to be crazy high so that the team says, Yep, give him a contract for next year. You know what I mean? And he was talking about one of his guys, and the dude's blood sugar was out of control. He was like almost pre-diabetic and that sort of thing, but he has to eat to perform at that level and maintain that weight, which after a while it's not healthy for him.

SPEAKER_00 39:32

Yeah. And so that's so for that example, and that specifically, that guy was worried about his labs, like right before the Super Bowl. And so Tyler was like, Yeah, we're not worried about that right now.

SPEAKER_02 39:44

Yeah, you're gonna go.

SPEAKER_00 39:45

Go do your job, which is to perform. And then when season's done, we can move to health and we can help correct all that and get you in a better setup so that next year when we gear towards performance, your blood, your blood levels don't take as much of it.

SPEAKER_02 39:58

Yeah. And then he also said as soon as that was over, they switched the eating to health. Yeah, dude dropped a little weight and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 40:05

And so us gen general population people who we don't get paychecks for our physical activity. We probably pay others for our physical activity in the forms of gym memberships or even like jujitsu competitions. Um, yeah, you're not eating, you're eating for health. All right. And if you do do a little bit more activity, maybe we're eating to help your performance, but we're not solely modeling everything after your performance.

SPEAKER_02 40:34

Yeah. Yeah, you're not putting out enough to get 8,000 calories in any type thing.

SPEAKER_00 40:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:39

Um, well, that's a summer strong recap. Good event. We're looking forward to next year already.

SPEAKER_00 40:45

Um let's real quick talk about the um the single leg work. Was it the Alabama strength coach that said that? Or who was that?

SPEAKER_02 40:55

Yeah, that was the Alabama strength coach.

SPEAKER_00 40:58

And so just real quick, we don't have to go into a whole thing of it. Just because I, being from originally strength and conditioning from a CrossFit background, the only single leg stuff I ever did was lunges or step-ups. And it wasn't that often.

SPEAKER_02 41:16

No, because you wait for it to be in the wad and it would be every once in a blue moon.

SPEAKER_00 41:21

And then now that I went to a more um organized and better strength and conditioning program, single leg stuff is part of the norm. Now this coach is working with collegiate athletes, Alabama. If anybody knows the Alabama. Five star recruits, yes. Yeah, anybody knows the Alabama football team. They're amazing. Um, he said one to three for every bilateral leg movement. He has three single leg movements.

SPEAKER_02 41:46

Yeah, so he and he was also saying that it was one of the biggest predictors. And it's funny because they'd have a lot of data. Like, I mean, you're talking Alabama every year, puts a bunch of players into the NFL. They're literally one of the top three, top five football programs in their worst year of play, they're top five in the nation, right? So if you know football, or even if you don't, you know about Alabama.

SPEAKER_03 42:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:13

So he's working with the craziest freaks of freaks in in terms of football. And he says that it's an excellent predictor of injury risk if their uh single leg strength is not good.

SPEAKER_00 42:32

Meaning it's not, it's disproportionate.

SPEAKER_02 42:34

One leg's way stronger than the other. Or they or you put them on one leg and they they're they can't hold the position, which happens. I've seen that. Yeah, like guys that can squat inordinate amounts of weight on a bilateral stance or deadlift a crazy amount of weight. You ask them to do a split squat and they're dying. They're like falling all over the place. They can't do it, they're too tight to do it. It's crazy to see, but it happens a lot more often than you think. And it just that just speaks to imbalance programs, right? I talk about um the international men-approved leg day at the gym. It's usually Fridays. Um, and 99% of men, their leg day is leg press. You do the set of 12, and then at the end you lock it out and do some calves. And then you get off the leg press, you go to the leg extension machine, you go to the hamstring curl machine, and then you do one of the calf machines, and then you're done. That's your leg day, right? I just gave you the leg day for 99% of males that go to the gym. So that leads to nowhere, right? Your leg development's not gonna be, I mean, it could be good, but you're not gonna be that strong.

SPEAKER_01 43:43

Functional.

SPEAKER_02 43:44

Your function is gonna be terrible. So, what I found over the years is a steady, which this was reassuring for me to see this dude that works with these crazy high level athletes talking about he's doubling down on single leg work. Um, and I program like that a lot. I've been for years now, I've been doing that where I'm like, okay, we do big lift. Let's say you got a squat, you got a deadlift, whatever. After that, you're on one leg. You're gonna do Bulgarians, you're gonna do step-ups, you're gonna do walking lunges, split squat, reverse lunges, lateral lunges, steady diet of that. Matter of fact, I almost care more. No, no, I almost, I care more about seeing good strength. Like, hey, if you can do heavy lunges, that to me is a better performance indicator and a better function indicator, both in the athletes that I see and general population than bigger squat numbers.

SPEAKER_00 44:36

And so obviously you can see how you know decreases risk of injury for collegiate players who are maybe going to go to the NFL. So what about us, general population? Why why do we need to do single leg stuff? Well, if you walk upstairs, that's a single leg movement. If you step up a curb, that's a single leg movement.

SPEAKER_02 44:53

Um older people getting up off the floor, you roll into that lunge position, and then now you have a single leg movement.

SPEAKER_00 44:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:00

Um it also, I feel like it loosens, like it keeps your hips limber, if you want to.

SPEAKER_00 45:06

Yeah. So because whenever you do, especially like a lunge, you're stretching, you're extending that hip. So you're opening up that hip flexor, which is the back hip is opening up, which is in an L shape the majority of the day, because we're mostly sitting, right? And especially as people get older, they kind of flex forward a little bit more. So they're always in this little bit of a flexed position. Also, um, oh my gosh, I forgot what I was gonna say. Oh, single leg movements challenge balance. And that's very quickly lost as we get older is balance.

SPEAKER_02 45:38

Yep. And if and if you throw a lateral lunge in there, people literally go like their brain stops working when you ask them to move in a different plane of motion. Yeah. Meaning everything we do is like this straight ahead, sagittal thing. Even quote unquote fit people, you ask them to go into the frontal plane, side to side, brain fart. So now you're challenging balance and coordination with that sort of thing. Um, it also is safe. A lot of single-leg movements are really safe because you load them usually with dumbbells in your hands.

SPEAKER_00 46:10

Or you can even do them hand supported. It doesn't take that much away.

SPEAKER_02 46:19

But it it's super safe. And you can work really hard on some freaking split squats and feel like you're dying, but you're very safe. Your back is people that have back injuries, right? I don't somebody comes to me with a back injury. I don't go into bilateral work. I go immediately into that single leg work because that's where we can get them gains. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, if you're not doing lunges and split squats and lateral lunges and reverse lunges in your programs and step ups. Ladies, I know that if you're out there working on your booty, I know you're doing them. So carry on, okay? But men, look here, brother. If you ain't doing lunges, you're messing up. Okay. You're not doing split squats, you're messing up. You're not doing lateral lunges, you're messing up. Okay. Get the single leg work in. So, gentlemen, I'm gonna throw one at you right now. International leg day. Friday comes around, right? For me, it's Monday. For performance people, Monday is leg day. That's when we squat. For y'all at the regular gym, I know it's usually Friday or it could be Saturday. It's the last day of the week because you know you're gonna get sore and then you wanna like, oh, I'm gonna take the day off, whatever. So when you hit the leg, the leg press, cool, leg press it. Oh, go hard on the leg press. When you come off the leg press, or I like it before too. Get some lunges, brother. Get in there and do some split squats or something and loosen them, hips up and work really hard at them. Don't just do them body weight. Like get some heavy dumbbells and get busy on them and feel like you're dying on some lunges. Your body will thank you later, okay? So maybe give the leg extension machine, give that thing a break, put the lunges in there, okay? Just saying. Your body will thank you. Anyway, moving on. I want to get to this because this is something that we have to talk about. That's summer strong in a nutshell. Going again next year, God willing, because it was awesome. Um Driscoll's berries. We have to talk about this.

SPEAKER_01 48:19

Strawberries.

SPEAKER_02 48:20

So if Driscolls, that name should sound familiar to anybody who buys produce who eats berries, because they're probably uh 90% of grocery stores that you walk into, if they have strawberries, uh blueberries, blackberries, raspberries, you're gonna the brand that you will see is Driscoll's, right? Um, you can find them organic, you can find them regular. So Driscolls, their farms are out in California in the Santa Cruz County. The Pajaro Valley, as a lot of people are saying it, but I believe I could be wrong. They're saying Pajaro, but I believe it's Pajaro or Pajaro Valley for bird, right? In Spanish. I'm gonna go out on a limb and go ahead and say that that's what it is. Um, they are experiencing in that area the second highest childhood cancer rate in the state of California. Okay, they went, they've gone from they actually uh they're at now 22.5 cases per 100K in childhood cancers, and they the average in the state is 16 per 100 K. Okay, let's stop the conversation right there when it comes to cancer. I cancer is a man-made disease. I don't care what people get cancer, you just get old. I shut up. Cancer is a man-made disease. A hundred years ago, we don't have the cancer rates that we have now. Cancer diagnoses are up through the roof, year over year. Every year we diagnose more and more people with cancer, they're getting younger and younger. It's insane, it's getting out of hand. Like, what the freak is going on with this cancer stuff.

SPEAKER_00 50:10

So Serrano spoke at SummerStrong as well, and he made a good point. He's like, Everybody in this room has cancer.

SPEAKER_03 50:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:17

Right. Because if you think what is cancer, it's an abnormal growth. Okay. And so our bodies are constantly turning over cells, things are turning over at some point. There's something's not dying off that should die off. It continues to grow, has its own blood supply. That could be a cancer. Okay. Our body is equipped with ways to fight this off natural killer cells, um, stimulating autophagy, stuff like that. Okay. Now, what would cause us to not be able to keep up with that in our internal body system? Either a deficit of our body's ability to do that.

SPEAKER_02 50:55

Yeah, your immune system's compromised.

SPEAKER_00 50:57

Or the burden of which is driving abnormal cell overgrowth is so high our body literally can't keep up. Now that's with cancer, that's with inflammation, that's with elevated blood sugar. It's because our body can't keep up from the constant barrage of toxic things in our environment, in our food, and everywhere else. So this is a big one that you know, people will argue with us about seed oils. Okay, look at the biochemistry of it and tell me we're wrong.

SPEAKER_02 51:34

Um not only that, it's one more thing that we're adding to the toxic load that we're carrying, right? Yeah. That's why we're proponents of eliminating where you can. Like, listen, if you can stop eating from plastic containers, if you could stop, you know, heating stuff up in plastic, if you can't.

SPEAKER_00 51:49

You can stop using glade air fresheners.

SPEAKER_02 51:51

If you can stop using freaking uh Teflon pans, like all this stuff, even if it reduces your risk by 2%, 3%, you might as well take it. Because there is so much that we are being bombarded with that is probably contributing to our toxic, probably, surely contributing to our toxic load.

SPEAKER_00 52:09

And unfortunately, you know, we've had Jake on here, who's a farmer, who's talked about the quality of our soil just because there can be a decreased quality in the soil just because the overuse of it, we're turning it over, we're not letting it replenish, we're kind of stripping nature of its natural process just to yield more results from it. But also, our soil is decreasing in quality because of the stuff that we're putting into it onto the plants. That what do you think? We just spray things on the plants and it's not absorbed into the fruit, the fruit or leached into the soil, leached into the water that then goes to a field down the way from it. No, I mean, this stuff is very present. So there's Driscolls has been recently highlighted as using. I don't know, you wrote down this specific pesticide.

SPEAKER_02 52:59

So let let's you know, $3 billion a year industry. I don't know if Driscolls itself is a three billion dollar company. I couldn't find that a year, which is significant for a farming uh uh enterprise. But the maybe the California berry industry, they grow a lot of berries in California, about three billion dollars a year. Um already mentioned the the rates at 22.5 cases per 100 case, second highest in the state of California. I didn't look what was the highest, but I'm very curious at that one. I should have looked for that. Um basically, a lot of the Driscoll's fields are in a school area and near homes, and they spray the crap out of them. Over 2 million pounds of pesticide in that area.

SPEAKER_00 53:55

Because if you think about a strawberry, strawberry is not like, you know, a mango, banana things that have a hard exterior. We eat the exterior, right? And so bugs can very easily penetrate that.

SPEAKER_02 54:08

Yep. If you you look up the dirty dozen, um, basically they call it the dirty dozen is the most sprayed um fruits and vegetables that they use the heavier concentration of pesticides to grow them. The berries are all in there. The blueberries, the raspberries, the freaking strawberries, they're all in there in that dirty dozen list of highly sprayed things. That's why with berries specifically, if you can buy organic, go for it. That doesn't mean it's not sprayed. Because unfortunately, the organic label has been hijacked and it means they spray it with different stuff. You know what I mean? That's what it means. So you still gotta give that thing an old baking soda bath. And listen, all this stuff is about reducing toxic load. Even with the baking soda bath, I doubt that that thing is reset to its most natural state, right? Like you're still gonna have some BS on it. But again, it goes back to reducing energy. Giving what you can 1%, 2% reduction in your favor. Why not, right? Um, because these demons, these um these crazy people are not stopping what they're doing. And they they're working, they're giving 100% to making things, you know, of poor quality, right? So we might as well give 110% to combating what they're doing. But anyway, two million pounds of pesticides sprayed in that area alone. These fields are near schools and stuff, right? They're like right in the heart of the school district for this county. And they have two major pesticides that that that they spray there that have issues. Allow me to say these names, bear with me here. I don't know if I'm saying this properly. And therein lies the problem. So you won't be able to say it. One they call 3D. That's the short for it. 3D. But it's three dichloropropine. Yeah, that's propopine. Dichloropropypine. It's used to sterilize the soil, and it's already listed by California as a carcinogen.

SPEAKER_00 56:16

Now sterilization is always just um a warm, fuzzy word that I love to hear.

SPEAKER_02 56:21

Sterilize the soil, right? California already listed that pesticide as a carcinogen. Why the freak is it still in use? Why?

SPEAKER_00 56:31

Because they put a label on it warning people, so I'll better.

SPEAKER_02 56:34

No, no, no. Well, California listed it as a carcinogen.

SPEAKER_00 56:37

The company that produces remember that California will put labels on things that they have them and then they walk away. Even stuff we buy here says if you live in California, this is a look like bruh.

SPEAKER_02 56:46

Kylie, it's funny because California, they with, you know, they were the first state to ban the food dyes, right? They did, they got ahead of it before everybody. So they'll do things like that. They'll label certain things. Oh, this is a carcinogen, they'll put it on the bottle, blah, blah, blah, blah. But they're their enforcement and they're it's a mess. I I believe California, listen, if you're in Cali, we love you, but I believe that one day California is just gonna sink into the ocean. Yeah, it's too crazy out there, y'all. Anyway, but the state already labels this as a carcinogen. Why is it still in use? Why are we still in using? And we're spraying it in the near the school district, excuse me. So, and then the other one is chloropic. Chloropricrine. Chloro. Chloro.

SPEAKER_00 57:33

Chloropycrine?

SPEAKER_02 57:35

Chloropicrine? Chloropycrine? Chloropekin. So first issue. You know, I went to college. I know I'm just a guy. You know, I lift weights and I train people to lift weights. You know, I read a little book every now and then. Got a college degree. I'm not I'm not a dummy. I can barely say these names. Yeah. Does that belong on food? Does that sound like it belongs on food? Yeah, let me get some of that chloropickering on my food, please. What are we doing, guys? Like just by the name of it, and and and you can hear it, you can read it and be like, that doesn't, that doesn't sound like it, like it should be on food, on something that I'm gonna ingest. But here's the history of this one. The original use of this compound or this chemical, it was a chemical weapon during World War I. That's what it was used for. World War I was crazy because like a lot of you know, chlorine gas, fluoride, things like that were used, like chemical war warfare in World War I really is where it started kicking up.

SPEAKER_01 58:40

There's a lot of, let's see what this does.

SPEAKER_02 58:42

Yeah, there was a lot of experimentation. Tanks came into play, machine guns really came into play. World War I would be if you read into the history as a former military guy, when you look at World War I, that's where we got really deadly with it in warfare. Um, this particular compound is so interesting, not only because of its history as a chemical weapon before, but it's so toxic that they have no long-term studies on carcinogenity, on the on how carcinomic or carcinogen it can be. Because when they go to animal testing, the animals die before they can complete the study. Sounds delicious. So why? Yo, that should wrap it up right there, right? Like, hey, the animals can't make it through the trial. Now let's go ahead and spray it on our food.

SPEAKER_00 59:25

It's all good. At this point, I just would like, I'm cool with eating a bug.

SPEAKER_02 59:30

Yeah. I mean, if you keep the bug glyphosate free, maybe yeah, it might be better for you than it's like, oh no, there's a spider on my strawberry.

SPEAKER_01 59:40

Better than dichlorocriptin, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 59:44

Yeah, like 3D and chloropicary. It doesn't like it just. I say the name and it sounds like something that doesn't belong on your phone.

SPEAKER_00 59:53

I'm actually surprised that they don't just get rid of pesticides because they have protein water. So it's like, you know what? Get some extra protein on your strawberries. Bugs.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:03

I I don't know what to say. This brings it back to that pesticide conversation. So, a couple things here on the pesticide conversation. We spoke and we did a deep dive on glyphosate specifically. It's not the only problematic one. There's another one, Parquat, I think is the name of it. I that I'm gonna do a deep dive on the game.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:20

Sounds like the king, the lord from Shrek.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:23

Oh, uh I don't know. Parquad. Yeah, farquad. Yeah, it sounds like that. It does sound like that. But I think it's parquad or something. It is super toxic pesticide that they use. When you hear the side effects and how people, if somebody sprays it and they forget to put their thing on, they're like done immediately. And we're putting that on our food? Are you serious, bro?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:45

So And you know a lot of you are just because I'm guilty of this too. Just do the little rinse, rinse, rinse, rinse off under the water.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:52

Yeah, and you think you're good to go.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:54

When these pesticides can withstand rain.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:56

Yep. That's what they're meant for. Not and we let's not even talk about the coatings that they put on some of the conventional fruit. That's a conversation for another day. Um, so why do we care about this? You have a clear cut, and this is happening in a lot of places. We talked about Iowa with their glyphosate everywhere and how their cancer rates are skyrocketing. Iowa's probably the worst case right now, but then you have Nebraska, Illinois are also coming up on the list for high cancer rates near farms and that sort of thing. This is yet another one to add to the list, but this one seems to be affecting the children more than anybody. Man, I had a friend when I was a kid that I went kindergarten to eighth grade with because I went to multiple schools because I was such a good child. But kindergarten through eighth grade. When I was in ninth grade, I was at another school, but I remember hearing the news that he had leukemia. Um, and I went to see him in the children's hospital, and that was tough. That was that was tough. So seeing a child with cancer, and I'm not a parent, bro, but I'm taken back to that memory of that dude. That's crazy. That's that's crazy. Kids with cancer is crazy. He died at 18, right before we graduated high school. Think about that. So from 15 to 18, he was sick in hot in and out of hospitals to barely go to school. He made it, he went to school for a little bit, back to school for a little bit, but he was mostly in and out passed away at 18. So now imagine hundreds, thousands of kids coming up with cancers in one concentrated area. What the freak are we doing, bro? What and we're just gonna write that off? I'm like, oh, that's what happens. It just happens in coincidence, bro. We're just gonna write that off. Like, that's crazy, man. So things to consider here, let's focusing on solutions, right? We're gonna go there first. One buy organic when you can, especially if it's on the dirty dozen with berries specifically. Definitely worth buying organic or go to farmers markets. All that pay a little bit more for it. It's better. If you really like strawberries and you're gonna eat them all the time, get some better quality strawberries, man. Just put a little bit of more money into it. I know it sucks. Everything's super expensive right now, whatever. Cancer is expensive too, y'all. You know? Um baking soda bath, hit that, right? And the organic thing, you don't, there's a lot of fruits that don't, if they have like avocados, organic avocados. You don't need them. Thick, thick. You know, it's gotta, you don't eat the outside and it's really thick, so it's harder for the stuff to get into what you're actually gonna eat. So you don't need organic avocados, right? For the most part. Oranges are another highly sprayed, but thicker uh uh rind or whatever you want to call it, uh skin. So you don't necessarily need organic oranges, but strawberries and things like that where you eat the outside, get the organic stuff. Um apples, apples, my god, apples are super sprayed. That is extremely sprayed stuff. Yes, get the organic apples, and not only that, you're gonna notice the difference between a regular and organic apple because they do put a wax coating on the regular apples to make them all shiny. And if it has the appeal sticker on it where they put the appeal cover, go ahead and literally take that freaking uh stand of apples and just throw it on the ground because we don't want that Bill Gates to do.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:41

All I know is that Snow White's apple was really shiny that she bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:44

Yes, or midnight night. Yes, or they were telling you something back then. Um, so buy organic with the look at look up the dirty dozen. And if you can, if you eat that stuff regularly, buy the organic stuff. Berries are in season as we speak. Right now it's strawberry, blueberry, raspberry, blackberry season. Definitely buy organic. Um I am probably at the point where I don't want to give Driscolls my money. I don't, I don't want to buy their I don't want to buy their produce. I like I think we gotta start doing what we can. I know is that gonna shut Driscolls down? Probably not, but if a lot of us are doing it, maybe it hurts their bottom line a little bit more. Maybe not enough to put them out of business, but enough to put them on notice that they need to improve their their practices. I don't know. I me personally, I don't want to give Driscolls my money. It's a wrap, bro. I'm not buying your freaking strawberries, I'm not buying your raspberries, I'm not buying your BS anymore. If if that means that I don't get they eat strawberries, like that freaking the boys I went shopping yesterday. They didn't have strawberries. They didn't have organic, no strawberries in the place. I don't know if it's because he's looking to source them from somewhere else, because he heard about this drama with Driscoll. Wouldn't surprise me because that's how Mike's a good dude, right? And he wants to give his people the best. He really, these guys are really serious about the grocery store. It's a family endeavor. All of them are related. When you're walking across the grocery store and you see the guys that are running it, they all sound the same. They're like Jersey Italians. You know, I love it. I love it. But anyway, um, there were no strawberries in there. If I don't get to eat strawberries for a little bit till I could buy them from some local farmer or something, then that's so be it. I'm not freaking putting money in these Yahoo's. Oh Lord, Lord help me, because I wanna I wanna get worldly with these people. I'm not putting money in your pocket if you're willingly and knowingly poisoning mofos, bro. Especially kids. My God, what are we doing? What are we doing? So something to consider. You do what you can afford, you do what you think is best for you, but be advised, right? That a lot of this stuff is happening out there and it's not what's best for us, and it's not what's best for any freaking body.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:10

Um so with that in mind, in closeout, anything you want to say?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:16

No, I just we ended with some key takeaways of how to um, you know, just key takeaways of when you approach your goals for how you want to eat, how you want to exercise. I think the first thought should be health. Yeah. Health. If you want to do, but I want to look a certain way, or I want to do this high rocks or this marathon or something, cool. Start with health. Okay. Um, make sure you're doing single-leg movements and also uh when we didn't get into it, but rotational carry, stuff that mimics your everyday life, right? And so start paying attention to how you move throughout the day. Do you you sit to stand, that's a squat. You bend over to pick something up, that's a deadlift. You go upstairs, that's a step up. You you know, get get you're down on the ground and you have to put one leg forward and you do a lunge, okay? So let's look at your movements throughout the day, and then how can you replicate those movements in the gym to strengthen them to just expand your ability to move through life more efficiently, okay? And for a longer amount of time. Um and then with the produce, um, one thing that we're gonna do, keep an eye on our Instagram, because at the beginning of every month, we're gonna repost some uh it's either the war kitchen or holistic health.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:48

Yeah, the war kitchen usually is really good.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:51

Um the produce that's in season for that month. Because we're just trying to share and encourage people to experience some variety and eat what's in season so you're getting a natural rotation of things.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:01

Yeah. And it tastes better when it's in season. Like it just tastes better. The produce, like it just it the strawberries, not from Driscolls, yeah, kicking when they're in season.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:11

Yeah. And then um, I've started doing the baking soda bath better than the vinegar bath with your produce. And so you just get a big thing of water. I put two tablespoons. I'm sure there's a more exact measurement. Stir it up, soak it in there, leave it for about 15 minutes, strain it, rinse it. Building that into your preparation can be something that's really beneficial.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:32

Yeah. Well, let's close it out.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:34

Yeah. So if you have questions regarding how to further do this, um, you need help being like, okay, well, where do I go or how do I do this? Or, you know, you just want more resources at all, you can email us at info at achieve the lifestyle.com, visit our website, achievelifestyle.com. You can contact us through there. It's still shoot star email, or send us a message on Instagram, slide into our DMs at AchieveLifestyle.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:58

Because it go down in the DM. Don't buy Driscolls, Jerry's. Just kidding. Do what you want, but just know what you're buying, what you're paying for, what you're contributing to, with your dollar. Pay attention to it because I think that is going to get become an even an even bigger stink, hopefully. And then a lot of attention goes to it because kids, nobody deserves. I don't care if you're 90, nobody deserves cancer, man-made disease. Change my mind. Anyway, till next time, give your berries a baking soda bath and stay pharma-free. Thanks for listening to the pharmaphobic podcast. If you found this conversation interesting, which I know you did, make sure to follow us on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. And also make sure to check us out on Instagram at Achieve the Lifestyle. And if you're interested in pursuing a stronger, healthier, more capable version of yourself, check out our website at achievethlifestyle.com.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:54

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