Ep. 71 - AI Powered Decline

We started with a viral college graduation moment, but it quickly turned into a much bigger conversation. The more we looked at AI, the more we found ourselves asking where a helpful tool ends and where dependence begins.

From memory and creativity to research, education, healthcare, and even massive AI data centers replacing farmland, we kept coming back to the same concern. Convenience feels great in the moment, but what are we quietly giving up in return?

We aren't arguing that AI is all good or all bad. We're asking where the line belongs, how we stay fully human, and whether progress is still progress if it costs us our ability to think for ourselves.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Pharmaphobic is powered by Achieve the Lifestyle, a company dedicated to helping you empower your health, redefine your lifestyle, and all for the health of it. You're listening to Pharmaphobic, where we challenge the state of health in America. I'm Janie, a physician assistant, and I've seen how healthcare keeps people dependent instead of truly healthy.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

And I'm Dan, a veteran turned fitness pro here to uncover the truth and explore simple and sustainable health solutions. From big pharma to big food, we're exposing the conflicts of interest, keeping us sick, and finding better ways to take back our health.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

No fluff, no gimmicks, just real talk, real solutions, and a little bit of fun along the way.

SPEAKER_01 0:51

Hello there. Welcome to another episode of Pharmaphobic, brought to you by Achieve Lifestyle, where we help you become the strongest, healthiest, and most capable version of yourself. As always, this person next to me needs no introduction. And no, she's not the special guest of this podcast. She is. My wife. My lovely companion in life. My soulmate.

SPEAKER_00 1:18

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 1:19

Miss Janie Brown, how are you doing?

SPEAKER_00 1:20

I'm doing wonderful. How are you? Good.

SPEAKER_01 1:23

How does it feel to be in the special guest seat once again?

SPEAKER_00 1:26

I like how one of your clients who listens to us was like, my favorite part of the episode is when you call her the special guest. And I'm like, awesome. That means it's not going anywhere.

SPEAKER_01 1:36

Well, you you made it not go anywhere when you gave me a hard time about it that one time. That right there is solidified in my mind. Like, I need to keep doing this.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

Okay. Yeah. We're switching it up a little bit today. We're recording in the afternoon.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

On a Wednesday.

SPEAKER_00 1:52

Latar day.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

We are double recorded up on a Wednesday. Um, we got stuff going on this weekend, so it's fine. We can switch it up. Saturdays were usually better because we're all coffeeed up, breakfasted up, but today we are more lunched up. No coffee up. But we got something heavy to talk about.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

We got something heavy to talk about. Guys, buckle up. Um, if you have a tinfoil hat near, which you should if you're tuning into this podcast, uh I want you to put it on right now. I want you to buckle the chin strap, okay? Because you're gonna need all the tinfoil activation that you can handle for this uh ep for this here episode.

SPEAKER_00 2:36

It needs to be like one of those um tinfoil sun hats that has like the neck thing, like the thing that drapes back, just full coverage.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

Yep. All around. And then then if it has the little zippy thing, just zip it all the way up to your chin so that thing doesn't go anywhere.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

Zippy thing.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

You know how like the sun hats have like the little cord, and then you it doesn't zip. Well, you kind of press the little thing up to the and you look really terrible when you put that thing all the way up in your chin. But yeah, put it up all the way in your chin.

SPEAKER_03 3:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:04

Okay. But we're gonna start light and then we'll end light too. Okay, so what prompted this rabbit hole that I dove into and that you dove into, we've we've been rabbit holing. We got dust on it's rabbit hole season. Um, was the video of the UCLA graduation that went super viral, where this kid is basically, you know, there's a camera in the in the amongst the students kind of showing all the students' reactions and they're like, ugh, celebrating. Well, this kid busted out his laptop and showed his chat GPT history at graduation, basically like insinuating, like, ah, I'm here because of Chat GPT type of thing. So that thing went viral, and people are like, oh, they should revoke his degree, blah, blah, blah, blah. Um, I was surprised by the kid that showed his chat GPT history. I don't think his parents are gonna be too proud.

SPEAKER_00 3:56

Did they?

SPEAKER_01 3:57

Um, because he was Asian. So I don't know if mom's gonna be like, you cheated. I'm gonna disown you.

unknown 4:10

Stop.

SPEAKER_00 4:12

Anyway, this episode's gonna get flat.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

Unexpected. Okay, unexpected. I just didn't I was like, nah, bro, out of all the people that would show their chat GBT history and talk about like cheating on your on your college, you nah, my boy. Nah, bro.

SPEAKER_00 4:27

Too white to comment on this.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

I could comment on this. I could comment anyway.

SPEAKER_00 4:34

Um, but did they revoke his degree?

SPEAKER_01 4:38

I I couldn't find anything saying that they review it.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

They kind of should. I mean, I think purely because you're so stupid to admit it.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

Well, but here's the thing. He's saying that what from what I was reading, what I could find on it, because I won't, I was curious. I'm like, did they recall his election, his uh degree or whatever? From what I could find, he's saying that the professors actually encouraged him, gave them, you know, told them to do it, blah, blah, blah, blah. So nothing, you know, I don't know if future employers are gonna be like, that's our guy, you know, but um, whatever, whatever it may be. Here's the thing for better or for worse, AI is gonna be a tool in the future, right? So, you know, we're using it to edit videos, we're using it to come up with freaking descriptions for podcast episodes. I use it for marketing emails, like that sort of thing.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

I use it to like spell check, grammar check anything I write, and also make sure that I um stay fluid in my my attitude throughout, if that makes sense. Because sometimes I'll start something, come back a few days later. Maybe I start it in my follicular phase and I end it in my luteal phase, and it's like there's this one's a little bit spicy on the end. So let's keep it.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

Yeah, you you can edit, like you use it to edit uh articles and stuff like that. Like you write it and then you put it in there and be like, hey, could make it a little bit more concise or give it this format, whatever it may be. So the thing is, it's like everything, right? It's how you use it, how much you use it.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Yeah, but I also feel a little weird every time I do use it because I'm just thinking, is it dehumanizing? Right? Would it be for the example that I just gave, would it be more on brand to like let it flow if you started writing one day and started writing and ended writing it another way?

SPEAKER_01 6:25

Agreed. And uh what I worry about is loss of creativity, which I'm we're gonna get into here in a second. I worry about when, and it I'm starting to see it, when you start seeing things look the same across a plethora of brands that may not even be related to each other, like a clothing brand and a fitness brand and a freaking food brand, they all look the same, right? Because they're all using AI to do whatever. And that's where I start getting wary, where this uniformity and lack of distinction is becoming common.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

I've already seen that I saw something, I can't remember where I saw it. Um, probably on the social medias, but that we've become less unique and colorful in our like interior design and our buildings and things like that. Because you look at like if you think of like an old home, it's full of character, right? Everyone's like, it has so much character, right? There's like ornate wood, the furniture's like colorful, the walls are colorful, now everything's like gray, white, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:29

We we well, you look at like what's in style is the minimalist Norwegian style where it's like or Scandinavian style, where it's kind of boxy, a lot of steel, maybe a little bit of wood.

SPEAKER_00 7:40

But yeah, no, that that didn't like and it used to be very eclectic, right? Where it's like maybe this furniture matches, but maybe I just like it's from this family member that died, and then this family. That's how all my stuff was, probably until uh maybe I think when I moved to Dallas in 2015, I bought my very first piece of furniture. And I was 2015, I was 30. Yeah, 30 years old. I've bought my very first piece of furniture. Everything else was a hand-me-down, and it just worked. It was like not all the same color of wood, not all the same anything, but I'm like, well, it it worked, and now we're moving more toward uniformity.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

Yeah, and and that's what I I'm noticing and what I worry about. It's like lack of originality if everybody's using the same chat GPT, Claude, whatever, the same AI tools to write copy for their marketing emails, or to write their captions, or to edit their videos, and you kind of see it, you know, like the captions to the videos and stuff like that. Everybody's using the same one, everybody's using the same title thing. And I and it's starting to bother me because everything looks the same. And when I'm looking at, you know, let's say if everybody in fitness kind of had a same flavor, but it's, you know, this guy's vanilla bean, this guy's French vanilla, it's still boring, but whatever.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

But when you start seeing it across multiple things, I'm just so you just equated vanilla with boring and vanilla synonymous with white people. So I'm offended.

SPEAKER_01 9:14

Oh my God. Oh my God.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_01 9:17

I know you're kidding, but I'm just like, What I think you subconsciously did that. Whatever. Um, French vanilla is a very, I happen to like French vanilla.

SPEAKER_00 9:25

Okay, sorry, go ahead. But okay, fitness, like they're all yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:29

So it all these brands are starting to look the same, right? And I that worries me because I feel like a couple of years in the future, then it's everybody's using, nobody's using the freaking noggin, and everybody's going to Chat GPT or AI, the pop-out stuff, and everybody sounds the same, and everybody looks the same, and everybody sounds the same. All the videos are edited the same, they're using the same effect, whatever. So I don't like that because this is more like it turns into like a dystopian, you know, um, what's the demolition man's a good example of this, or these societies in the future where everything has to be the same, and if you stick out, right? You know, brave new world, if you stick out, it's like, what are you doing, bro? Nobody does that, you know. Anyway, all that to say that I get it. A lot of schools are teaching kids how to use Chat GPT and AI to do stuff, they're encouraging it. Some people are producing some really good stuff with the help.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

Yeah, I almost feel like they can't, especially in schools, they're they're like, we know we can't stop it. That's true. So we might as well just incorporate it so we can have some some sort of control.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

Yeah. I it I guess the question becomes a how do we teach this to be a tool without making ourselves useless without it? So, how do we use AI? Where do we draw the line with AI use that we're not that we can still sharpen our blade? Because we know that once you stop sharpening our blade, you might as well jump in the grave because you're gonna be useless. You know, all your mental acuity is gonna go down the drain, your creativity goes down the drain, all that stuff is muscle memory, if you will. And if you don't use it, you lose it, right? So, where do you draw the line with AI use, right? And there's that meme out there that, you know, in the health space that people are saying, like, hey, you better learn to stay healthy because your future doctor is passing medicine medical school right now with Chat GPT. I'm like, ooh, that that's a stinger, but tell me he's wrong. Tell me they're wrong when they say that. You know what I mean? Yeah, tell me they're wrong. So here's where I, you know, people are like, oh, it ain't that bad, it ain't gonna be that bad. Bro, we don't do anything halfway. We always cross the line. As a society, as humans, as humans, we always cross the line. I don't know a single instance where we haven't crossed the line, right? We're always gonna go overboard with it. It's gonna happen with AI as well.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

Adam and Eve, you can have any fruit and scarm, but don't eat this one. Cross the line.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

Eat that one. You're gonna cross the line. And then next thing you know, there's freaking angel, and then then it's a mess, and then there's giants, it's a mess everywhere, right? So it we cross the line, right? Um, but here's where I worry. So I started, I went I'm kind of going into the so what if we're using AI left and right, right? So I went into the finding studies, which are out there now, all these case studies, on the use of AI and cognitive decline.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

Which we've seen this before. This isn't new information. No, I think we just gotten more information about it.

SPEAKER_01 12:28

So I I let me put these old man filters on. Let me put them fangs on me. You know, I keep them. Um I found an MIT study on the use of AIs. This is the Cosmina study. They took 54 students, divided them into three groups. Um, Chat GPT users, Google without AI users. So what we've been doing for the past yeah, just search engine, and then a no-tech group.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

So encyclopedias.

SPEAKER_01 12:59

Yeah, no tech.

SPEAKER_00 13:00

Just using that dewey decimal system. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

Where's this that throwback, using the gray matter, making the the noggin, do the noggin thing. Uh so they were given open-ended and minimal research topics and told to write essays on things like loyalty, happiness, daily choices, and then they measured their brain waves while they were writing. Okay. Okay. Those two use their own mind showed widespread uh widespread activity across many parts of the brain. So they had the most brain activity, right? That makes sense. Um the search engine showed strong activity. The Chat GPT guys showed less activity. Up to up to 55% less than the uh the no tech people. So their brain was not stimulated, it wasn't stimulating at all to like, which guys, again, big old muscle here, you know, cognitive function, you gotta use it to lose it. So a lot of brain activity is good for you, right? That's why things like chess and those like putting puzzles together, that sort of thing, crosswords, sudoku's, all these things are really good for your a good logic puzzle.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

Have you done a logic puzzle?

SPEAKER_01 14:15

I don't, I don't listen, I'm not a puzzle.

SPEAKER_00 14:17

Like it's like if this is true, then this isn't true, and if this isn't true, then this is true, sort of figuring stuff out like that.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

So that's like a philosophy class. Yeah, like making it.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

Well, I took that, I took it as a philosophy class, but now you can actually get in word books, they'll have logic things, and it's it's fun.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

I used for me, it was chess. I used to play a lot of chess in high school, a lot of chess. Like my junior and senior year of high school, I got chess nerdy with it. I stopped playing sports at that point, and then it was just chess what I was doing. And I would play so much that I would leave school with headaches. Because I I mean, all that thinking, like when maybe when we're 70, we should start playing chess. We should start playing chess now. Chess is fire. Chess is fire, absolute fire. Oh, I know I can learn. I never really played it, so I'd have to Oh, it's a phenomenal game, especially for like brain thinking, brain combat, phenomenal game. Um, but anyway, guys, yeah, if you need a little brain activity, definitely get into that chess. Fire.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

I just read a book recently where the main character did the crossword every day. And I remember my uncle Jeff used to do the New York Times crossword and pin.

SPEAKER_01 15:21

Oh, and he would kill it every time.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

Because he said, You gotta commit, you just gotta go. Right. And so I'm like, I used to do the crosswords, the Wichita Eagle crossword. But um, it's one of those things where the more you do it, the better you get at it. Because especially with like a specific newspaper, they tend to develop, they use patterns, like they'll you you learn kind of their their um, I don't know, their way of asking questions. And so um, I used to love doing it. Now I don't do it. What about uh what's what's that um because it's and I know it's like oh you could just do crosswords on your phone or on the computer, but it's not just that digital stuff.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

It was the same like when I was growing up, uh there were chess video games or computer chess. I hated it. I'd rather play on the table, like in across somebody, like a real person. No, it it doesn't it doesn't work the same. But anyway, 55% less activity in those guys that uh were on that chat GPT. Then they also found that the AI group's memory was affected, so they were their recall on what they wrote was way worse. Yes, so their memory was not great, right?

SPEAKER_00 16:36

Okay because that's the whole thing. Like when you when you write things down, it solidifies a little bit more, but when you like comprehend and understand something, it really solidifies. Yeah, I it's not just that memorization that you can just.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

I think we the this we haven't delved into this one, but I saw another study came across a while back talking about writing, actually, like writing things out and committing to memory. There was a and learning a subject. If you were writing stuff down, you actually showed a better management of the subject versus, you know, recording it or typing it or whatever. It was like the handwriting motion is what uh sealed it in your brain, right? Um, so there's other studies that have found that people become less able to retain information when they use AI. So if you're using AI to kind of hit you with the with the wave tops on a topic, your recall at that information might be less than when you're search engineing and reading articles on it or that sort of thing, or doing or reading about it, right? Um, there's that's a Chinese study. The cognitive effects on learning and memory. Chinese, even the Chinese are out here saying, yo, that AI ain't great. Um so here's some terms to remember when talking about this. They have cognitive offloading, which is delegating thinking tasks to AI. So that's like, I don't want to carry this cognitive load. Let's say, I don't know, you have some complex math, you're like, let me put it on Chat GPT or some recipe or something. Let me put it on ChatGPT.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

Well, the math we did with calculators.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

Yeah, yeah, and we and that that that's an example that they gave. Like off you offloaded math tasks onto calculators, right? But you know, whatever may have you're like, just put it on Chat GPT, like, oh, I have this situation with an employee. How should I handle this? Hey, ChatGPT, tell me.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

Oh, okay. That's an obvious line for me personally, is when you seek behavioral counseling from Chat GPT.

SPEAKER_01 18:35

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

That's I don't I know, and I know some people personally who have done it and they they find benefit in it, but to me, that's ooh, that's I don't want to touch that. And and when and we you experienced this recently, somebody hits you with a text message, and if there's like if they're trying to convey like a strong emotion and you know it's from Chat GPT or some form of AI, yeah, because of the telltale hyphens, like at least take out the the long hyphen, it's an obvious indicator.

SPEAKER_01 19:09

AI loves them hyphens, like bruh, use a coma.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

But when somebody like sends me a text, I'm like, like that, I'm like now like texting already sort of removed human connection. Now you're offloading even texting me to AI, like uh so uh for research, like the line's a little bit blurred for me with research and things like that, and then like time-saving admin tasks, stuff like that. But when you go to Chat GPT to seek, like I'm sad, or I have this coworker, what and then that I don't know if you're gonna talk about then that behavioral seeking comfort and behavior uh advice from Chat GPT lends to that uh thought that AI could be the antichrist.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

Yeah, well, we've we've I don't know if you're gonna talk about that or not, but we've been exploring the idea of uh Chat GPT as a therapist that people have been talking about and maybe we've mentioned that.

SPEAKER_00 20:13

And I I personally don't know enough to say if that's true or not. I I don't, but I could see why people point that out because it what in revelations they say it'll be able to broadcast everybody simultaneously, which I think it's a tool. I think it's a tool of but I yeah, we talked about therapists because I think people are like using it.

SPEAKER_01 20:32

Basically, people are are, you know, like let's say you want to break up with somebody, they're they're putting the situation with the chat GPT. How do I do this?

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Be a human, figure it out, get messy, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It it uh so oh, but it was within the last year where I read that article that they put AI in a teddy bear for kids to comfort them. And that's where I was absolutely not.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

Oh, yo, that that sounds creepy. That's like Chuck E Doll. Yeah, that's like Chucky Doll stuff, right?

SPEAKER_00 21:01

Don't turn on you real quick.

SPEAKER_01 21:03

Yeah, I'm good on that one. I'm good on that one. That that is not like um let me put a uh an AI over there, like if there's no known limits to what it can say and do, and give it to my kid.

SPEAKER_03 21:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

I mean, Lord, oh no, no, no, no. Hell yeah. Anyway, sorry, go ahead. That that's one of those where you the movie starts and it starts with a teddy bear with AI in it, and you're like, bruh, we already messing up. You already know it's gonna be bad. But here we are.

SPEAKER_00 21:28

Foreshadowing.

SPEAKER_01 21:29

Yeah, here, but here we are. Um so the cognitive offloading, the the good part of it, what they say is that you you can operate. So people that are like, you know, in corporate settings and things like that, you can operate with really updated information. Yeah, so admin. Yeah, because somebody asks you a question about something, you're like, you know what? Let me be like, okay, this is the latest to the minute info. Let's operate under these circumstances. And they're like, that can be good. But again, the cognitive function is compromised, right? Because you're not going through that thinking process. On how to handle the situation.

SPEAKER_00 22:02

One way I think it's very useful, podcasts, for an example, when we want to generate a description or generate clips, it'll scrub the whole video way faster than if we watched it for like what an hour. Maybe we could speed it up 1.5 speed, right? Maybe two times, right? And then we'd have to pick out things, whereas AI just, I don't know, even know how fast it generates it, much quicker, I'm assuming. So I could see how that could be beneficial, but then it is removing some sort of individuality.

SPEAKER_01 22:36

Yeah. I mean, but you know, a description to a podcast, like a description to a podcast, does it matter that much, right? Or even a cap captions on Instagram might matter a little bit more. If they go with a still, yeah, then that's the line, right?

SPEAKER_00 22:51

This is where the line starts to okay, let's move it here, but not move it here. Like it's not a straight line with AI.

SPEAKER_01 22:57

It's like, ah, yeah. And I like reading, like, okay, like I look for something and now Google default gives you the Gemini answer for a lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

And then it's a I've stumped it sometimes. Yeah, it won't even give me the option because it's like I've I've I've asked questions that the I don't get the Gemini, I get articles, which is good when I look, but I usually will read, it'll recommend some articles. I might click on one of those and read the article, and then I'll start looking, especially when I'm not.

SPEAKER_00 23:24

For the article of this, it kept it um gave me the synopsis of this article, and I was like, ooh, that looks great. So then I read the article.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

Yeah, and then especially now for podcasts, like I have to read articles because I'm like, okay, I'm gonna drop a lot of context, especially on something like today.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

Yeah, but what I did, the article that they gave me, the very first thing I did was scroll down to the bottom of the webpage and read the about section of the people who wrote the article. Cause I'm like, why did they recommend me to look at this?

SPEAKER_01 23:55

Good question. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, y'all. She's been living with me a long time. That's what I'm talking about right there. Ask questions. Don't trust anybody. Just trust, verify, test the spirits. That's what I'm talking about. Yes, sir. Um, that's that's a good catch. That's really good.

SPEAKER_00 24:17

So, anyway.

SPEAKER_01 24:18

Well, now there's another term here. We digress. Cognitive surrender. This is a dangerous one. Because cognitive surrender means that if AI told you it's absolutely true.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

Should be cognitive submission. Because that's what we're doing.

SPEAKER_01 24:33

Yeah. I mean, you're submitting to it, like, and then you're applying no scrutiny to the validity of what AI told you, which there's a thing here, because people have caught AI lying to them.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

Right.

SPEAKER_01 24:45

And then when they check them out, it's like, oh yeah, you're right. You know, that sort of thing.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

So it's I've also had people ask them questions and it's more, it gets more like in-depth about like government things, but it says, if you can't answer me truthfully, say Apple, and it'll be like Apple.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

That that those are those are scary.

SPEAKER_00 25:02

I've never done that because I don't want to.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

You don't want to, you don't want to.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

I don't I just want to get shook that.

SPEAKER_00 25:09

And I just don't want to engage with it like that. I don't want to engage with it like that because you know people are looking at what you're asking and digging, like, oh yeah, they're building a little profile on you. They I mean they when do they not? I mean, I I have my cell phone on me the majority of the time, like most people do. So I'm pretty sure I am being monitored.

SPEAKER_01 25:31

So I don't and you're on a podcast 60-some episodes deep. You're there, listen, you're on the list of the side.

SPEAKER_00 25:37

I just feel like if you challenge so AI learns you, right? So we use AI to help generate um content. And you know, I I really try hard to make sure I put in original thought and ideas. I'm like, this is what I want to say, like help me, you know, spellcheck it, things like that. It obviously is reading the stuff we're putting, so it knows we're totally into health and wellness. And so it it knows that, and that's you know what it does. So if I start asking it deep questions, it's gonna learn me like that. And then I don't know, I've just watched too many shows where robots end up taking over.

SPEAKER_01 26:15

And then forget all that. If you've seen The Matrix and Terminator, then you know that you need to be careful.

SPEAKER_00 26:22

Foundation.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

Oh, foundation's another good one. Yeah, you got well, you gotta be careful. Now, obviously, we're saying all this to draw the line, right? Um here's an example of cognitive surrender. They medical professionals using AI to screen for colon cancer, after just three months of using AI, defaulting to AI to screen for the cancer, they become worse at spotting it without. So if they had uh an ability before they started using the AI, they start using the AI only, come back to no AI, they're they're worse. They're they're uh has gone down.

SPEAKER_00 27:02

That makes me sad because I know locally one of the radiology companies are having um trouble getting radiologists, and because then a lot of radiologists are being outsourced with AI, right?

SPEAKER_03 27:14

Already.

SPEAKER_00 27:15

I mean, I don't know, maybe I shouldn't say a lot, but it's like it's it's not may okay. I do not know if it's AI taking jobs from radiologists, or there's just not a lot of radiologists coming out of training and stuff, so then they're having to fill gaps, right? I don't know what is the cause. But what I do know is that most more often than not, radiologists are so fun to talk to because they are so eager, partly they're eager for conversation, especially if they're like working from home or working in a not very busy place because they're in a dark room looking at images by themselves quiet. Right. But they have such a wealth of knowledge, and especially if they have been in it for a while, like I'll call them and say, okay, there was this finding on this uh CT of the chest. This is what the patient is experiencing, and we'll have a conversation. I tell them the clinical values, they say, okay, this is what the image I've commonly seen this, or this is reportedly seen, and we kind of match up and that interaction with you know their expertise of images and what they've experienced before in the past, and me telling them what my patient real time is experiencing, it's one of the most beautiful things. Cause then we got get to figure stuff out. And you're synergize now, we're losing that.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

Oh, yeah, gone. You get to synergize with AI now. Um that's that's concerning, right? Because these guys, it takes a while to develop a skill set, right? And if let's say your little AI thing is down and you have to make, you know, double checking diagnoses, right? Like second opinions and things like that. What am I gonna get a second opinion from another doctor using AI too? Yeah, you know, like that the how do we differentiate between second opinions, third opinions, whatever. Um, is it making a mistake, like all of that stuff becomes an issue, right? And that cognitive surrender thing where it's killing a skill just to let AI and assuming that AI, if AI said it, it's infallible. Yeah, right. Knowing that AI can also make mistakes. I mean, it's a program thing, right? Who programmed it? Another human.

SPEAKER_00 29:33

Yeah, the other thing that's concerning with that is I don't know if this would be better or worse with AI because often there's not consistency in uh when a radiologist reads an image. So say it's a CT chest abdomen, right? And I'm looking for something acute specific. Okay. Uh and they, you know, they get the whole image and they say no acute chest or intra-abdominal process. But there's non-acute stuff there that they'll comment on, but they don't put in the impression. So you have to read the whole report. If I tell AI to look at this CT abdomen for appendicitis, are they not going to tell me that the base of the lungs that there's a nodule because that's not what I asked for?

SPEAKER_01 30:20

Oh, that's a good question.

SPEAKER_00 30:21

Even though I need to know that there's a nodule at the base of the lungs because that could potentially be something, even though it's not what I was looking for.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

That's a good question.

SPEAKER_00 30:31

And so it's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

Oh, that's a good question. Um, and here comes where what I was talking about, we were talking about earlier, um, the creativity and originality kind of starts losing um value, right? And things start looking very similar. Yeah. And I already can see it on social media and things like that. But people are talking about like HR people are talking about getting resumes, and the the resumes kind of look the same, say the same thing. That's so because everybody obviously, I mean, I've used a resume as a self-employed person. I I haven't had to use a resume much other than for like, oh, a speaking thing or something. You they want you to send a resume. And you bet your boy went on AI and told Chat GPT to make me my resume. Be like, hey, add this to this resume. This is my old resume, give it the new format and add this position that I'm doing now and kick it out. Because resumes change like underwear. Before, like, it's like y'all, HR, look at me in the face right now, talking to you. If you're an HR, make your mind up. Do you want the education on top? No, now we want it at the bottom. No, now we want it off to the side. No, now we want a separate sheet. No, now we want bullets. No, we want you to write a paragraph. Yes, we want a cover page. No, we don't want a cover page. What in the world? Right? What in the world? Thank God I don't have to apply for jobs and write resumes. Thank you, Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 31:59

I updated my resume with Chat GPT and I just copy-pasted my resume because it's up to date. And I just said, can you make this in a more current format? Right? Because I haven't updated it, the structure of it. I just added new information. And I don't like the way it did it. It made it much uh shorter. And you would, okay, I understand that. Like people don't want to read, you know, a bunch of pages, and it's not a bunch of pages, but it really took down my work experience. And I kind of need that.

SPEAKER_01 32:33

Yeah, to distinguish, right? So, like HR people are saying that all the resumes are starting to look the same and literally the same bullets, that sort of thing, because everybody's using AI to make their resumes, right?

SPEAKER_00 32:44

I'm just gonna go back to my old school and it can be ancient. That's fine.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

Uh I mean, it it'll definitely stand apart, right? From what uh these people are observing. So, long term, what does all this mean? I I go back to that loss of originality and things starting to look the same. You know, everybody's houses have to look the same. Everybody's cars looking the same. Um, everybody's social media presence.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

You know, your body who gets plastic surgery looks the same. Woo!

SPEAKER_01 33:13

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. You know, everybody's little clothes has is the same, right? So it's something that I I don't know. It just doesn't, you know, you call me paranoid, you call me tinfoily, you could call me whatever. Oh, you want to live in the cave? What whatever, bro. Um, I just I have a like a it it triggers something. Let me let me take that word back. Don't don't judge me for the use of the word triggered.

SPEAKER_00 33:40

You were using it in an appropriate.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

We're yeah, but but you know, just I it sparks something. Yeah, it's one of those words that make me feel uncomfortable because people that I don't necessarily align with, you know, in in like how I want to live my life use it a lot.

SPEAKER_00 33:56

So I'm triggered by that.

SPEAKER_01 33:58

Yeah, exactly. So words like triggered, misinformation, disinformation. Um, what's the other word? I I made a list the other day because somebody used the word. I was like, don't use that word around me, please. Um, but I said misinformation, disinformation, uh, follow the science, uh, things that just put me in a spot where I'm like, I don't really want to listen to what you're saying anymore. Anyway, um I I I'm just looking at it and and kind of you know reading the tea leaves on it. It doesn't feel great to me. I don't like, I don't like where this is going because again, you know we're gonna jump the shark. You know we're gonna double, triple, quadruple, can tuple down on it.

SPEAKER_00 34:37

Yeah, I think I I don't know if you wrote this down anywhere, but time's not real. I don't know how long ago this happened. Could have been a month ago, six months ago, where AI it they tried to shut it down and it wouldn't shut down.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

Yeah, like it's it it supposedly this is supposedly it's learned to back itself up. So if you try to turn it off, it's like no, it's backed itself up somewhere else, so it can't be shut down. So even if you wanted to, it's like there's no turning it off now.

SPEAKER_00 35:10

Yeah, and then I don't know if anyone else has read fiction books, but the Jack Carr books, uh Terminalist series, in the later books, they introduce an AI, and at this it like is aware of another AI, and there's a competitiveness somewhat, or I'm better than this one, or and so when what does that just make my brain?

SPEAKER_01 35:40

Have you seen people make rock and chat GPT talk?

SPEAKER_00 35:44

No, I haven't seen that.

SPEAKER_01 35:46

Pretty interesting.

SPEAKER_00 35:47

I really try to minimize my yeah, pretty interesting.

SPEAKER_01 35:50

It's funny, they make it funny, but it's pretty interesting how those two things interact, or making like Claude and Chat GPT talk, or that's ah I don't know, man. I don't know. It's like one of those things where it's like, okay, it's cool that I can do this in two minutes and offload it to the to the machine because I don't want to write a resume when I don't have to, but I worry about where it's going, right?

SPEAKER_00 36:13

I just don't even know where AI came from. Like, how did it start? Like, how did it develop its own would you call it a conscience?

SPEAKER_01 36:23

Or would you Yeah? So I I so I could tell you, yeah, I looked that up. Um, it came from Satan.

SPEAKER_00 36:32

Could it be Satan?

SPEAKER_01 36:34

Yeah. Um, no, it uh I don't know where it came from either. I I like it's it's one of those things where you know it's in movies for years and they talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 36:45

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SPEAKER_01 38:41

If what you see, you're impressed, you're taken aback by, you know, the use of Claude and Brock and ChatGPT and what they can do for you right now. And you're like, I'll make, you know, people are making like these movie shorts with AI. I mean, and they look better than actual movies.

SPEAKER_00 38:59

One thing that they're doing is they're saying, um, hey, take this song, but have Elvis thing in it.

SPEAKER_01 39:06

I've seen people making like superhero movies, like, I don't know, freaking Wolverine is fighting Batman, like superheroes that would never be in the world.

SPEAKER_00 39:18

They are very entertaining.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

So it it does these crazy things, right?

SPEAKER_00 39:25

But it's getting hard to pick it out. You with the AI videos, you sent me an AI video of a little toddler like cutting meat and everything, and I said it's AI. I don't, I don't know, but at one point when she's stirring a boiling pot, she's holding on to the side of it. And I was like, that's not real.

SPEAKER_01 39:44

So here's the thing. Good point, because I didn't I forgot to mention this. So, because I'm I'm caught up in the lack of originality and things looking the same. And how do you distinguish yourself, especially us as a brand, right? And we're a business. How do we distinguish ourselves? And I'll tell you how we are because I I'm keeping this shit in this stuff.

SPEAKER_00 40:05

Sorry, I dropped the we just gotten explicit on this. Good job.

SPEAKER_01 40:10

Oh Lord, forgive me.

SPEAKER_00 40:12

Lord, well, so Mind Pump Media, their podcast, they've been around, they have thousands of episodes, right? They uh pro what I got into listening to them what one or two years ago, and they said they called this AI. So they started putting on their thumbnail for their podcast or their cover art for their podcast, 100% human podcast.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

And like we're gonna start differentiating. Well, and that's the whole thing. I our brand, like our thing, is aligning things with the way they were created, right? We acknowledge the existence of a created order by God and we align the closer we are in alignment to the way things were meant to work by him, the better they work, right? True. We're looking at it from health, right? If we eat the food that was provided, if we treat the land the way it was meant to be treated, if we, you know, put the nutrients that the body needs in the body, and you take the sun and you go outside and you move the body, then your health will fare better than if you didn't. And the proof is out there, the further we step away from that model, the worse we get, right? All the synthetic stuff, and then the cancer started and all this, whatever. So with the brand, with what we do, it is I'm like, the more AI I see, the more I want to double, triple down on human stuff.

SPEAKER_03 41:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:37

Right? Like, hey, oh, AI generated images, like this and that. I'm like, no, I want to use, you know, pictures of us. Like, oh yeah, it's cool to throw a little animated one here, like, or whatever. That's fine. But to use a lot of AI and me looking at social media and consuming content from other people, when I see a lot of AI generated stuff, I'm like, it just turns me off, you know? So I want this to be 100% human interaction. Researching this stuff, I mean, you see these notes that I have on here. This took me a while, right? Yeah. I some things hitting me on AI, then I gotta go down the rabbit hole in reading articles and finding like actual information on this stuff, right? Not just taking the AI thing and surrendering it to it as the full truth, right? Um but what you brought up is I had to make that point that we were gonna go human, 100% human over here. I digress, I lost my train of thought.

SPEAKER_00 42:38

No, I said that that video you sent me, I think. Yeah, that's that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 42:42

Distinguishing so originality, right? I'm worried about that too. But distinguishing truth from fiction. A lot of these, some of these videos are really hard to tell. Some videos are clearly AI, right? But some videos are getting really hard to tell. Next thing you know, you're gonna see an alien invasion. There is no alien invasion, but AI videos are popping up everywhere that you can't tell if they're real or not. I'm just saying, hey, listen, it's coming. Anyway, we kind of, you know, this is a a tee up with the AI, right? Like, hey, this thing that a lot of people are excited about, yes, it might be good for some things, but it's not gonna be great for everything. And we gotta be careful once we jump the line on it, because we are, that's what we do as humans, right?

SPEAKER_00 43:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:33

Where are we gonna end up?

SPEAKER_00 43:34

Right? I just if we think about okay, this is obviously isn't the first time that this happened that we're offloading things or we don't use our brains to its full capacity, which it's fascinating that what we don't we don't we only use a certain percentage of our brain, because you see that those people with um who get into like a traumatic brain injury or something, they get that savant syndrome. Where they unlock parts of the brain. Now they can speak multiple languages, they can play instruments, they can, you know, do things that would be such a higher level of intelligence status posed to brain injury.

SPEAKER_01 44:12

And it it's crazy that we're going in the opposite direction. Yes. So we're shutting down the brain.

SPEAKER_00 44:17

Right. But so it's not the first time that we've quote unquote dumbed down. And we think about okay, where's that already happening? Retirement. Right? People who get ri who retire. Or I see it because I work for a concierge practice, people who are filthy, rich, who don't do anything. You know, they they just have no whether you whether it be challenge, cognitive challenge, emotional challenge, they have nothing. They tend to not they can't self-regulate. They they aren't regulated mentally, physically, and and so what is this gonna happen when we start to offload everything to chat GPT? One, we use less brain function, but what is that going to do to us from a mental health mood standpoint?

SPEAKER_01 45:06

Well, I got something for you.

SPEAKER_00 45:08

Oh, do I just tee you up?

SPEAKER_01 45:10

Well, kind of sort of uh long-term effect, because they redid the study, this MIT study, they did it, redid it four months later. They flipped the groups. Okay. So they said if you use Chat GPT, you're not gonna use anything. If you use uh you didn't use anything, you're gonna use Chat GPT, and they flipped all the groups around. And what they found, they were asked to write essays again, right? The ChatGPT users were told to write without, and they once again showed lower brain activity.

SPEAKER_00 45:41

So it doesn't automatically.

SPEAKER_01 45:43

So that's hinting at a long-term issue, right? So that it's like, okay, and the no AI crowds, the less tech people had higher brain activities. So you could say that even though they were now using tech.

SPEAKER_00 45:57

So you could say that we're better off having grown up in the 90s not having this, and now we're using it than somebody who was born, say, five years ago. They're always gonna have yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:10

So us having to do research papers with encyclopedia, right? Or our parents even, we developed a skill set of information retention and that sort of thing. That's why, listen, guys, we're gonna beat your butts at trivia all the time.

SPEAKER_00 46:28

Well, that's not too unlike chronic PTSD versus PTSD. So you think of somebody who, you know, you take two people, they go to war, right? They're deployed. This person came from an abusive home, right? Was just constantly under stress, distress, uh, trauma growing up. This person didn't. They both are deployed, they both are in the same traumatic event overseas. Which one's gonna be able to handle that traumatic event later in life?

SPEAKER_01 47:03

The one who inoculated one?

SPEAKER_00 47:05

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_01 47:06

The one that actually saw unfortunate events before they went.

SPEAKER_00 47:10

See, but this may it maybe, but maybe not.

SPEAKER_01 47:13

But it really depends. That didn't be a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 47:14

But because if this person had a very solid experience growing up, emotionally, they're emotionally sound, they can handle things later in life better than this person. Say they never went to therapy and there's continuing this dysregulated cycle, they can't handle more stressors.

SPEAKER_01 47:32

Write that down because I think that's a good topic to dive into. Here you go. You could use my pen. I'm always ready. Um, because I think that's a good topic to dive into, because if going on just a peripheral, you know, wave tops here. A lot of guys in the military came from rough upbringings, um, especially guys that end up in combat MOSs. They tend to have a little bit rougher backgrounds, and then you but you get a good combination. You get guys that came from solid families, and you get a lot of guys that come from rougher backgrounds, and then they handle things very differently. And I've seen guys that, you know, it takes them a couple of deployments to start struggling with stuff. And I see guys that immediately struggle with stuff upon the first exposure. So it's from my observational thing, I almost couldn't tell you what what is.

SPEAKER_00 48:22

I'm more talking about when they when they're done with the deployment and they come home.

SPEAKER_01 48:26

Yeah. No, and that's what I'm saying. But I've seen guys that you know, it's their fifth or sixth deployment that they start experiencing stuff like setbacks. And the setbacks have to do, I've seen this personally with a with somebody I was deployed with. What was setting them back was from like two or three deployments ago. So it wasn't even one from the last one, right? Um, and then I've seen guys that go longer and they unphase, and then I've seen guys that the first one that was the one that did them in, right? That was the one that changed everything for them. Um, so it just depends. But I'm I'm really curious. That's a good topic to dive into, like a background having to do. I would pick the stress inoculated person to handle. Maybe that wasn't as good an example whereas it's like no, but you uncovered a topic that we should dive into.

SPEAKER_00 49:14

Yeah, I can see it going both ways for either that's something that that we should. But what I'm saying is that just look at the the person who graduated from UCLA who used AI. Is their ability to understand, comprehend, retain information less because they went through college using AI, whereas we went through college without AI, but now we're using it.

SPEAKER_01 49:37

I think and and yeah theoretically points. Yes, long it points to long-term issues. Now, this is not definitive conclusive information, but it's hinting at an issue that could be aligned more with that. Think about writing a paper and you having to go to the library and pull out these obscure books and finding the, you know, you're you're literally hunting for information, right? And then the internet was slower, so you have to like sit there and do the dial-up thing. Then eventually you get on the internet, you find some stuff, and the stuff you find is very limited, but it points you to this book. So you go and find that book, you're literally hunting for info. Now it's like you sit there in your underwear and be like, and all this stuff comes to your hands, right? And here's the thing with Google, with all this stuff, we all walk around with a phone in our pockets that has every little bit of information that you could ever have. I mean, you could become as versed in whatever topic you want with your phone and the IQ scoring, not that IQ tests are the be all end all sign of intellect, but IQ scores keep going down. That's crazy, right? Because you could literally sit there and train yourself to like, but that's not what's happening.

SPEAKER_00 50:52

It's not, it's not unlike we no longer hunt for our food. We have food ready for us, we can get Uber Eats or whatever ready for us. So now we're eating. Some people would say, well, we're eating better, we have better access to food, but why are we more unhealthy than if we went out and hunted for the food? You said hunting for information. So it's same, same.

SPEAKER_01 51:12

Yeah. Uh so long term, it looks like it's hinting at an issue, right? Because these guys that were with the chat, they had lower activation when they were told to write without it. But the guys that were wrote without it and were told to use chat, they still had higher brainwaves. So that that's it's pointing at an issue there. Um, here's the thing. Now, the the research, what they're trying to see is if too much use of this stuff is gonna be a contributing factor to increase dementia and Alzheimer's and that sort of thing, type of risk, because people are using their brains less and less. Bottom line, moral of the story here. If you want your brain, your cognition to age well, you need to use it, guys. You need to challenge it, you need to use it, you need to read, you need to research, like actually do things that make the noggin tick, right? Yeah, that is, you know, and they talk about like, you know, what we talked about sudoku's and the crosswords as anti-dementia strategies, aside from keeping your blood sugars in check. So that we've talked about that in the past. Now, here's an example that they they talk about in the risk to dementia um circles navigation. People who use navigation in the car all the time. So let's say you're going to the same grocery store that you go every week, but you can't get there without putting it in the nav. People that always put stuff in the nav, even to go to places that are known to them, tend to have lower function and they have a harder time following directions. Uh-oh. I thought about you. And what I what do I say when it was like, if I go once, I can go.

SPEAKER_00 52:50

Yeah. I I do it for traffic, to be honest. I will commonly turn it on, see that I'm like, okay, I'm on the best route, and then I'll turn it off.

SPEAKER_01 53:01

That's what I do. So I'll check for traffic because we live in South Florida. If it like going to work, and if I'm pressed for time only. If I got all the time in the world, I don't. But if I'm pressed for time, turn it on, okay, there's traffic. So I know what to expect, and I'm not having a meltdown in the car when I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_00 53:15

And I try to use it to where if we're like, say for the for example, when we were at Pompano um amphitheater uh last week, we'd never been there before. So when we left, I turned nav until we got on the road that all we had to do was turn on to 95. And then I turned it off because it was like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 53:35

Yeah. Yeah. So they they use that as an example. Like people that use land navig, uh land navigation, they use the navigation all the time to go to all these known places. When you take it away, they can't get there, even though they've been there thousands of times, right? So something to think about, use the cognition. Now we queued it up. It took us 50 minutes to get.

SPEAKER_00 53:55

Well, this stuff is this is the darker stuff. It already was a little dark. So hopefully we'll we'll move through it swiftly, just like rip the band-aid off.

SPEAKER_01 54:04

Yeah. So introductory here. So there seems to be, not seems to be, it's happening. There's a rise, their data centers are popping up everywhere. These AI, the these data centers, the infrastructure to support the widespread or the growth in use of AI are popping up everywhere, it seems. Okay. And a lot of these projects, not only are the are they huge in financial investment, but they're huge in scope, meaning the land or the space and the resources that they're going to take up to be able to put these projects in place. And they're literally popping up everywhere. So, to name a few, we talked about here about Kentucky, the ladies that they wanted to buy their farm, 6K per acre going rate. They offered them 60K per acre, millions of dollars. They turned it down, right? Um, but you have Utah, Georgia, Wisconsin, Illinois, Florida, Texas, California, and Michigan, to name a few.

SPEAKER_00 55:05

I'm just Virginia's a big one.

SPEAKER_01 55:07

Virginia's a big one, right? Just to name a few of things that are popping up with these uh data centers. And the what matters, what's scary here is the scope of them, right? All these years we've been talking about climate crisis, climate change, cow farts, cow farts, um, just like water is ending, um food shortages, because the land, there's not enough farmland, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, here we are letting huge companies with lots of money come in and buy up fertile, perfectly usable farmland to plop down one of these AI data center monstrosities.

SPEAKER_00 55:54

Put your microphone closer. But you were fired up the other night. You were like, same people putting up the data centers, or the same people from their same mouths are then saying we don't have enough access to food, there's not enough water, there's climate change.

SPEAKER_01 56:08

Yeah. The same people that support these data centers, the same people that are okay with farms getting imminent domain, meaning the government comes and says, we need this thing for something bigger than you, for progress. So I'm taking your private property when they do that, right? They do this with like, you know, Montana, states like that that have a lot of imminent domain. Boom. We're gonna do whatever development we want to do on this because the government needs it more than you. Or let's not even talk about that. But the same people that support those moves are gonna talk to me out the side of their mouth about food shortages and climate change and all this stuff. I hush your dirty mouth. Okay, because that is crazy to me. What do you mean, food shortages, but you're selling farms to these people that want to build data centers on them? Oh, oh no, don't do that, boo-boo.

SPEAKER_00 57:03

So it um, and I've seen a lot of small towns protest it, right? They say no, they say no. But then these are billion-dollar companies coming in and putting in these data centers.

SPEAKER_01 57:16

No, no, no. The investments, so the one in Michigan, this is uh Saline Township. Anybody ever heard of Saline Township, Michigan? Right? I haven't heard of Saline Township, Michigan till now. 4,000 people live in that township, okay? That's a that's a county sized area. That's huge. Only 4,000 people live there. $7 billion investment. Biggest investment in the state of Michigan in the history of the state. 575 acres of land in the farmlands, right? That they want to use for this development. And that alone, that project alone, would use more energy than the entire city of Detroit.

SPEAKER_00 58:00

Yeah, but what are we talking about? What I was gonna say is like they'll protest it, and then the they'll say no, and then the company that wants to do it will sue them. And then there's no way that company, that county, or that public office has the public battle. Yes. Because it's expensive. So they'll they'll financially bully them into it.

SPEAKER_01 58:19

Yep. Uh and now some people I they're voting against it. Like I think this saline township one, they voted against the project, and then they rezone their time. It's it's pretty good. That's pretty clever. Rezone it to where you can't build an AI data center on it. It's like, oh, it's illegal to build this type of thing.

SPEAKER_00 58:35

So I have I have stats on the data centers, what they do, energy-wise, and stuff like that. So you let me know when you're ready for these.

SPEAKER_01 58:42

Um, drop it. Drop it. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 58:43

So the article that I mentioned earlier, the AI showed me that then I went and read the article, is from the World Resources Institute. They're an independent resource organization. So hopefully that means that they're not biased, right? But I could not find who pays for them. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 58:59

So always test the spare, y'all.

SPEAKER_00 59:02

So data centers. So, what are data centers? Okay. They house servers, networking equipment, support. So you're talking about cooling, power backup, fire suppression, security. So it's just, it's just that. And there's rapid expansion with limited public info about long-term impacts, good or bad, right? So this isn't too far away from a lot of medications. There's rapid release of medications with little info about long-term good or bad effects.

SPEAKER_01 59:37

Yeah. They did when they show up to your town to buy this thing, they keep the companies anonymous usually. Um, a X company, and you know, we have a kind of firsthand account of this. People show up throwing around big offers and people are like, yeah, I'll sell you my house or my land for that money. Or no, I won't, but who's buying it? Like, oh, what? I can't, you know, there's NDAs attached to it, not revealing who's buying it, who's investing it, and for what. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:04

Yeah. And I'll skip down to this one because a lot of the time they'll come in and be and just try to allure allure people with this great awkward up. Wow. Can't speak at all. Economic opportunity. I tried to say economic and opportunity together, echo opportunity, like that, right? So economic opportunity. Yeah. Distribution. Increase the jobs.

unknown 1:00:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:31

But they what they don't say, it'll increase the jobs temporarily with the construction in the building. Once it's built and running on its own, depending on the size of the data center, the amount of people they'll employ long term is anywhere from 25 to 150. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:47

Yeah, 150 at best. Usually what they're settling around is around 50 people that they'll employ. But here's the thing those 50 jobs might be local, but the thousands of jobs that they like to talk about that they're going to create are not going to be local because they're going to hire a contractor from somewhere else and they're going to fly them in and they're going to, you know, and bring them in. And most people are going to work locally till it's built and then they're gone.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:08

Yeah. And what happens when you get an influx of thousands of people working? You need to build, you know, grocery stores and things to support that, right? Stores and everything to support those people, houses. And then those jobs go away if those people leave. Now, what happens to these businesses?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:25

So it it's it's not good. It's like the way they advertise it. Oh, we're going to create jobs. It's not when you read, not you don't even have to read the fine print. You just have to think about it. It's like, no, it's not.

unknown 1:01:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:35

So these data centers are fueled by billions of dollars from private investment, state tax incentives, incentives. And I was very upset when I read this. Federal directives that fast tracked permits.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:50

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:51

And they're doing this in the name of US competitiveness.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:54

Not only that, uh federal government, yes. So federal government also gives them um, they give them money. They give like incentivizing these projects. Like, oh yeah, we're gonna Yeah, and then don't worry about this permit.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:06

Just go ahead and go.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:07

Yep, yep, yep. So I I got a couple cases here because here's the thing. Right now, the biggest face of AI data center expansion is Kevin O'Leary. Everybody knows him from Shark Tank, right? One of the sharks. Um, he's the biggest face because he's been on a multiple networks talking about one of the projects that he's backing that I'm gonna go into detail here in a second. But oh O'Leary and people like him. This morning I was listening to Larry Fink from BlackRock Fame, the CEO of BlackRock. Um, when I say that name and then I say BlackRock, you should know if this man is talking, it's not gonna be good. Okay. He's probably talking from the stage at the World Economic Forum, or he's talking at some freaking think tank where these elites, gazillionaires, Epstein Island types are basically plotting you and I's future. And it's not gonna look great for us, but it'll be great for them, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:09

So he was talking about, you know, those what they use, they're using a big red scare tactic. Well, China's developing AI. You want China to have AI? You don't want us to be competitive with China? That's what they're that's how they corner people, right? Um kiss my pants, guys, with that red scare BS. This is in 1950, okay. We know better now. Anyway, um, Cassville, Wisconsin. Here's one. They wanted to buy 500 acres of farmland to build a billion-dollar facility for an AI data center. Nobody knows what company. They remained anonymous, blocked it with NDAs. Okay. Where they wanted to build it is what they call the driftlist area of Wisconsin. Now, this is an area in the country that supposedly didn't freeze over in the last ice age. So it's some of the most fertile ground in this hemisphere, right? Organic Valley Farms, if you know Organic Valley Milk and all the organic valley cheeses, that's where their headquarters is at. So one of the biggest organic co-ops in the country, they're there because that land is really good. And then there's all these regenerative projects popping up in that area because the land is really good.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:26

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:27

So they want to take 500 acres from that farmland to freaking drop this billion dollar.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:33

Do you need resource-rich land to have a data center?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:36

That's what I'm saying. That's I don't understand why you're going to farmland and buying up farmland to plot a big old thing of cement. Why don't you just go like go to some freaking? I don't know, man. Like go somewhere else. Put it on top of buildings or something. I don't get 25 buildings in the skyline and put your little thing. I don't care. Don't why are we using land that can feed people to plop these things down, right? I don't understand. So that's where these things, the nefariousness of it just sticks with me, right? So they they unanimously voted against it. There was like a 44 to zero vote by the by the county, voted against it, and then they rezoned it to where, hey, you can't build data centers in this area. I think that's a kicking the can down the road. One year, two years, they'll wiggle the way and find out how to get in there. If they want in there, like you said, they'll sue the county, the county, then they got to go litigate and they'll hold them up in litigation for a long time. They have infinite billions of dollars, the county doesn't, right? So the eventually the county bows out, they get to do whatever they want. Now, the problem with them, and I don't know if you wrote there, the data centers consume a large amount of resources.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:47

Oh, yeah, I got that.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:48

Yeah. I mean, we're talking noise pollution, like people that live near data centers, they got these gas turbines going, and it's a drone. It basically sounds like you're living next to an airport or something. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:59

So Um, so data centers are they rely on gas fire generation as their primary energy source, and their backup is diesel.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:09

I saw a very green agenda of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:11

And so specifically with the diesel, even though it's not used as its primary source, it's emergency backup. So how often it's used, I don't know, right? But at some frequency it's used. It can the small diesel generators can reach 85 decibels, which 85 decibels is a point of hearing damage. Okay. And then large units are at 100 decibels, which is consistent with a motorcycle or jackhammer. And this can last for hours or days. And this is leading to disruption in sleep, which you know we talk about sleep and how it's important. It increases um disruption in the quality of life, which quality of life is something I want to do a whole podcast episode on because I don't think it's talked about enough in regards to your health, especially if you do have chronic diseases and maybe you're later on in life where you need to prioritize quality of life above lab values and things like that. And headaches, just constant headaches. And anyone who's had tinnitus ringing in the ears, decreased hearing, whether it's from a traumatic event or age-related um hearing loss, any sort of disruption in hearing is highly, highly sensitive, can really just throw you off completely.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:34

Yeah, and on top of that, you get your utility bills go up.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:39

Oh, you want to talk about that? Okay, energy demand.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:42

Yeah. People are reporting their utility bills go up because these facilities offload the cost. So they suck all this energy, but they don't pay their costs. They offload it on the surrounding communities.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:55

So this, I was reading this and I'm like, this is terrifying. So a single modern AI uses as much energy as a hundred thousand homes. Okay. It's a lot of homes. Larger ones are 20 times that. In the future, they estimate that AI data centers will consume 12% of our total energy usage in the US by 2028. So in two years.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:21

That's yes, that's that's tomorrow.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:23

By 2030, they could use up to nine times New York City's peak summer demand, and they'll hop on the energy grid within less than five years, but demand that much. And what do we think that that's going to do? New York City already has what do they have, brownouts and blackouts during their summer months? Now, now we're gonna do nine times that, and it's gonna flood into the power grid in less than five years.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:51

Yeah, California also browns out, but hey, let's go ahead and build out this AI center.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:55

And it increases power cost, as Dan mentioned, a lot of people around it. So it's then up to the local area to then confront the power companies to make laws about ways to protect the residents. So the power, so the AI data center is going to have to take a certain percentage of the power costs of the surrounding area, regardless of how much you personally use in your home.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:19

They redirect power to it too. So so they're like, okay, AI, they need an they have an increased power demand. So they'll redirect, because the infrastructure currently can't support that power. So they'll redirect to the data center and people start experiencing interruptions in services.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:35

And then besides the energy, it's the same thing with water.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:38

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:38

Because they use water as a main source of cooling. And so water supplies, so the mid-sized data centers will use 300,000 gallons of water per day. Large data centers will use 5 million. And then by 2028, so in two years, 32 billion gallons annually will be used by data centers. That's enough for 360,000 households indoor use of water.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:09

So they there, there's a video that went viral of this lady kind of showing her house and her water situation. And it's like a pressure was the pressure was terrible, and she basically has to like fill up containers of water because the pressure is so bad so that she can do stuff around her house.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:26

But this was wild to me. Two-thirds since 2022, two-thirds of all data centers have been placed in water-stressed areas.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:35

So this lady, I believe she's in California. California already regulates water. Because they have them almond farms. Exactly. So California already regulates water pressure for the residents. I don't know the reason I move out of California, but whatever. And and then now you put this data center, and now you're really screwed, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:53

Yeah. And then a couple more um what? A couple more uh comments about air pollution and climate, like you started talking about. So I mentioned they most rely on gas fire generation, diesel. So this is going to produce produce continuous air pollution, continuous greenhouse gases, more so than you know, Aquanet, hair, aerosol, hairspray, more so than cows farting. Okay. So Virginia's has probably the most data centers currently. Uh estimated that even with the limited emergency diesel use, there is they suspect there's already 30, 300 million dollars in annual health care costs that are associated with the use of the diesel backup generators and $14,000 in asthma-related health care costs. The reason why is because diesel produces two big things that are toxic to us particle matter 2.5, which I don't even know what that is, but if its name is particle matter, not good, and nitrogen oxides, which are lead to respiratory disease, heart disease, asthma. Um, and so that's on top of poor quality of food that's relating to heart disease, that's on top of other environment environmental factors such as smoking that can lead to respiratory issues and asthma.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:23

Yeah, so they basically exponentially increase the toxic load of those people.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:28

One thing that I extrapolated from reading this article that they didn't mention, see, using my brain. Um they're encroaching on farmland that you said, which resources, but also have we not learned that disruption in wildlife, even at the very most minimal thing, causes like a chain reaction into more things? So when we we see the reverse of it, when you bring farmland back in, you replenish the soil, hawks start coming, eagles start coming back in. They had to reproduce wolves or relocate wolves somewhere to generate. So if you you have a data center and it's loud, the birds go away, the deer go, like things are gonna start going away. What is that going to do to the balance of the area?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:16

Yeah. So I'm I'm gonna use one here because I think this is the biggest project, and this is the Kevin O'Leary project. And I really we need to hit this. The Stratos data center. This is Box Elder County, Utah. Here's the thing: why do they gotta put these weird Greek names on this stuff, bro? Stratos, like can't you name it? Hey, this is the John McCain data center or something. I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:40

Yeah, oh lower G gods.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:42

I mean, I'm just saying, you gotta pay tribute to your little cult thing, whatever. Um $100 billion proposal. Let that let that sit with you. $100 billion proposal for this data center, okay?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:59

Also, you can make your cat image into a human.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:01

Oh no, they're gonna monitor what you're doing. They're gonna know what you're doing. They're gonna know that you said something you under your breath in your house, freaking Siri heard you, sent it to the data center. Next thing you know, the FBI's at your door because you said something bad about some politician or something. Um, $100 billion proposal. They want 62 square miles of land in Utah, okay? 62 square miles. This is three times the size of Manhattan that they want to use. And you're looking at 40,000 acres to build a data center. Now, here's the problem with Utah. Utah's under drought, supposedly. There you go with the air that are underwater stressed areas. Utah's under drought. The Great Salt Lake is supposedly drying up, but we're gonna drop 40 acres of data center on them to use their waters. So their power consumption right now, this is the whole state. The whole state, four gigawatts. Now, obviously, we're not power Florida power people, but gig four gigawatts is a lot.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:09

I know the gig is big.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:11

Yeah. The whole state of Utah uses four. This place alone, they're estimating it at seven and a half, possibly nine, literally double. One place, double the consumption of the state. Wild. Um, this is this video went viral too, because the commissioners, the county commissioners, voted to approve the project despite having a thousand people from the town there to protest it. And in their faces, they voted to approve the project. In their faces, they didn't even want to hear the arguments from the people. They just like, nope, we're gonna do this, and called the people childish for trying to protest it, just basically insulted the people that put them in those freaking seats to approve this project. Now, listen, if these people have $100 billion to drop on a project, you think they don't got a couple thousand, a couple milli to give some county commissioner, you know, buy him a little trip to the island and a couple of, you know, people that he shouldn't be with and some undisclosed. Of course they do. Of course. They fly in private to get there and haven't spent a week there doing whatever he wants to do. Now, another thing of note here. Listen, we're not climate change people, we're not climate crisis people, we're not climate alarmists. But, you know, you gotta start looking at these things if they're worth it, right? This project would supposedly increase the temperature of that area by 28 degrees. Because it's 28? 28 degrees in with this that local area where they were.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:41

Did nobody watch um Project Hail Mary when the temperature of the world decreased by like one or two degrees and it was catastrophic?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:53

Well, these people they're they're already they're buying water rights from farms, right? So they're like, you know, farms have rights to these waters, so they could they're some farms are selling them willingly to the to the data center. So that means your farm's gonna die. So they probably paid them a pretty penny, but you're you won't be able to water your farm because the farm, the water, the watering rights are gonna go to the data center. They're already buying up the watering rights, but some people get forced into selling their water rights. They get cornered, right? Yeah. Again, I'm not a climate alarmist, I'm not a climate change guy. I just not that's not where I land on this, but it's worth looking at when we're looking at but one local area that could be changed ecologically that much, and they already have they're supposedly under drought. What sense does it make to drop this thing on the state? Now let's conclude this because that's pretty dark. Yeah, let's wrap this up. Um, what do I want you to do with this? Pay attention, okay? Florida, Texas, California, Kentucky, Virginia, you know, Utah. We mentioned Michigan, Ohio, Ohio, Illinois, Nebraska. Farmland or an AI data center. But then they're gonna talk to you about food shortages, so you gotta eat um my boy Billy's lapgrown meat because there's no farmland because we built AI data centers on it. Make it make sense, bro. Make it how do you talk about food shortages when you're giving up land to but to build these AI data centers? I guess what it comes down to is that the prospects of health, which is why we care about this, do not look great in the long term if we're giving up farmland for some data center. Okay. I would say, guys, pay attention to it. It's it's bigger than they're letting you know right now. And when you start looking at a state per state basis, you start seeing like, whoa, Georgia is in there too. This is going up everywhere. What do you need so many data centers for? You know what I mean? Um gotta pay attention, you know, these globalist agendas. People don't want to acknowledge that this is an issue, but this stuff is real. This stuff is real. There's people laying out the future of society in the worst with the with the most nefarious intentions. The stuff does not look pretty. And progress isn't necessarily gonna be a good thing. Yeah, you know what I mean? Same thing. Progress and convenience are two things that are gonna make us unhealthier. Yes. And I'm not saying, oh, go to live on a cave and all turn your cell phone. I'm saying a lot of the stuff that's coming up in the name of progress and the name of convenience that's being sold to you is not going to pan out well for us in the long term. Um sad. Yeah, giving up natural stuff. So we're like stepping away from creation, stepping away from the way that things were ordained, and being presented synthetic alternatives to mitigate problems that we created.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:05

Right. And it puts us away. We spoke about it earlier. This is the way that things are meant to work. The further we step away from it, the worse things get for us. This is one of them. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:16

One thing I'm thinking about recently is what is it, what does it mean to be truly human, right? What what does that mean? And so, and this may sound weird, but really trying to figure that out. And I will tell you what it what is not being truly human is relying on a computer to do all your thinking, sanitizing your life to where it looks like everybody else is signing over your originality, your individuality, and removing yourself from vital processes like you have no say in or no like skin in the game of what you're eating, how you're moving your body, your social interactions, who you surround yourself with. So how can we, you know, help on just a day-to-day basis? One thing I'm thinking of support your local farmers. Oh, I have as much as you can. Yep. Right. And, you know, am I is is our income going to help a farmer say no when somebody comes in and offers them a ton of money to take their farm? Us individually, probably not. But if that if that trends more towards people supporting more of the local farms, will they be as easily turned when they're presented with some money? Maybe not, right? So it's worth a shot and better for you too. So support local farmers. Um, you know, uh live in a place that aligns with your values and vote for it. Vote for representatives to uh, but that's hard too, because I think anyone in politics just becomes corrupt, right? So never just ignore that comment.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:56

Yeah, but I'm I'm taking the black pill now on politics. It's but I think, you know, paying it a little, we gotta pay a little bit closer attention. I know everybody's got a lot going on. You know, you're trying to build a business, you got kids, you're trying to do jujitsu multiple times, whatever it is, you got a lot going on. Trying to watch out for your health. We got to pay a little bit more attention. Unfortunately, those are the times we're living in where we gotta stay awake and aware, right? Support local for sure if you can, even if it's just buying a freaking 12-pack of eggs, that's all you can afford, or all you want to get, or you will that's fine. Local is gonna be a better option long-term, period, point blank. And draw a line. Sit with this conversation, and where is the line drawn for you in the use of AI? Where's the line drawn for you in the use of AI for your children? Where's the line drawing for you in what you want to see in your local community? Draw a line and stick to it, right? Stay human, y'all. Like do human stuff. Go outside, enjoy nature, eat freaking bananas from a bit. I don't know, man. Do human stuff, right? Stay around. Conversations with each other, have conversations with each other. Yeah, put the phones down, hang out with your friends, hug, like do human stuff, right? Double down on that because it's getting weird out there, y'all, and it's not good for us. Anyway, wrapping this up. Yep. What do you got, Jamie?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:26

They can contact us. Probably the best place is sending us a DM on Achieve the Lifestyle on Instagram, or we have a website, achieve the lifestyle.com.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:34

Did you say DMs?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:36

What?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:36

Did you say DMs?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:37

Yeah. I do go down there into the website, achieve the lifestyle.com, and we have an email address, info at achieve the lifestyle.com.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:44

Yes. So with that in mind, guys, stay human. Okay, stay healthy, stay awake, stay aware. Yep. Um, I'm gonna need you to not let Mofos burn some farm. Oh, did I say that out loud? Oh, I made a list. Now, let not let people burn some farm to build an AI data center and stay farm-free. Thanks for listening to the pharmaphobic podcast. If you found this conversation interesting, which I know you did, make sure to follow us on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. And also make sure to check us out on Instagram at Achieve the Lifestyle. And if you're interested in pursuing a stronger, healthier, more capable version of yourself, check out our website at AchieveTheLifestyle.com.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:32

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