Pharmaphobic
Pharmaphobic is a bold and thought-provoking podcast that challenges the status quo of health and wellness in America. Hosted by Dan, a veteran-turned-fitness professional, and Janie, a physician assistant, this show dives into the deep-rooted issues within big pharma, big food, and the healthcare system. With a mission to uncover corruption and promote sustainable, long-term health solutions, Pharmaphobic is for those seeking better answers, curious minds ready to question the system, and anyone eager to take control of their well-being. Join Dan and Janie each week as they explore practical ways to thrive, share transformative health insights, and inspire change. Follow Pharmaphobic on your favorite podcast platform and be part of the movement toward real health and wellness.
Pharmaphobic
Ep. 72 - Deceived into Darkness
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Summer changes how we think about the sun, but we started wondering if we've been asking the wrong questions. We look at sunscreen ingredients, what happens when they're absorbed into the body, and why covering up isn't the only way to think about sun exposure.
We also talk about building sun tolerance, how food quality and seed oils may influence how easily we burn, and why timing our time outside might matter just as much as what we put on our skin.
Then we end on a lighter note with our favorite summer produce, eating seasonally, and keeping things simple. If nature already gives us what we need this time of year, why do we keep reaching for something more complicated?
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Pharmaphobic is powered by Achieve the Lifestyle, a company dedicated to helping you empower your health, redefine your lifestyle, and all for the health of it. You're listening to Pharmaphobic, where we challenge the state of health in America. I'm Janie, a physician assistant, and I've seen how healthcare keeps people dependent instead of truly healthy.
SPEAKER_01And I'm Dan, a veteran turned fitness pro here to uncover the truth and explore simple and sustainable health solutions. From big pharma to big food, we're exposing the conflicts of interest, keeping us sick, and finding better ways to take back our health.
SPEAKER_00No fluff, no gimmicks, just real talk, real solutions, and a little bit of fun along the way.
SPEAKER_01Hello there. Welcome to another episode of Pharmaphobic, brought to you by Achieve the Lifestyle, where we help you become the strongest, healthiest, and most capable version of yourself. I am here with this lovely person to my left hand.
SPEAKER_00Buenos días.
SPEAKER_01Gracias para vivar en la casa. Oh my God, that movie was so funny when I first saw it. Oh my God, it's still the classic. What happened, man? We had like a couple of years of comedies there where they were just hilarious.
SPEAKER_00They were.
SPEAKER_01And Bridesmaids is right on there. And when I saw it, I was living in North Carolina, Fort Bragg, North Carolina. And I saw it on a Friday night because I had nothing better to do in Fayetteville, North Carolina. Go to the movies by myself every Friday. And I came back on Monday and I told the guys I saw this movie. It was freaking hilarious. Y'all need to watch it. And all these friggin' infantry dudes, you know, all these paratroopers are like, bruh, that's a chick flick. Blah, blah. I'm like, listen, listen to me. Two weeks later, they were all starting to see it. Like, oh my God, it was so funny. Hilarious. Anyway, I didn't introduce my lovely co-host because she derailed me with this bridesmaids moment. Special guest of this podcast. Miss Janie Wilkison, how are you doing?
SPEAKER_00Oh, so we're not married? Oh.
SPEAKER_01Every couple episodes. Okay. Janie Brown. Janie Brown, everybody.
SPEAKER_00Yes, I just, you know.
SPEAKER_01How long have you been Brown? When did you change your name not that recently?
SPEAKER_00Not that recently?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it was like two years ago.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I changed. So we got married 2022.
SPEAKER_01You have to think about that.
SPEAKER_00And I think I changed my name 2023. It's funny because when I went to the DMB to change my driver's license and I showed her the marriage certificate as proof, she was like, hmm, made him go through a probation period, huh? And I was like, Yeah, I had to make sure it was gonna work before I changed it.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god. Oh my God. You act like we weren't together for a long time before.
SPEAKER_00Well, you just gave me back my maiden name.
SPEAKER_01How are you forgetting stuff?
SPEAKER_00I by the way, I feel like that's like a core memory you won't forget.
SPEAKER_01By the way, I did not demand that you change your your name and take the book.
SPEAKER_00No, it was a it was it wasn't an easy decision for me. Um but I came to the point where I was like, Oh, I want to do it. I didn't I never felt like I had to do it. I wanted to do it.
SPEAKER_01So my parents have been married 50 plus years at this point. Yep. Are they 50? Yeah, 50 years. They hit 50 in oh 50 will be 2029 question mark.
SPEAKER_00How old were the how long have they been married when they had you? Just go by that.
SPEAKER_01Like a I I came pretty quickly. Right.
SPEAKER_00So you're 43.
SPEAKER_01I'm 43. So yeah, so they're gonna hit 50 years in 2029, I believe. Because 2009 was 30. Yep. So they're gonna hit 50 in 2029. So they're going on 50 years of of marriage, and my mom never took my dad's last name. My mom's not a brown.
SPEAKER_00That's fine.
SPEAKER_01It's hilarious. So that's why I was like, oh, I guess I mean it's not that big a deal to me. But you ended up becoming Miss Janie Brown. So now you are SJB, Sarah Jane Brown.
SPEAKER_00Yep. Most basic name. I married this Puerto Rican. I'm gonna get a cool ass Brown.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I was talking to this dude that he he like, you know, these new baseball kids that I have, and he grew up in New York, and you know, he knows he lived in Puerto Rico because he was a boxer and he we were talking about all this Puerto Rican boxing history, and he competed out of Puerto Rico. And uh he's like, Oh, is it you know, when I told him my last name, I was like, What are you doing? What are you doing?
SPEAKER_00You'd like to move away from your microphone.
SPEAKER_01Because I'm Puerto Rican, I'm all over the place. No, I'm kidding. Um, but I told him my last name, and he's like, wait, where did that come from? I was like, bro, if I tell you the other one, you'd really be confused then because it's Daniel. Daniels. Yeah. So you'd really be confused.
SPEAKER_00Anyway.
SPEAKER_01Anyway, we digress. That's a little rabbit hole we went down that we were meant to.
SPEAKER_00And my maiden name uh is Wilkinson, which that's just English. English, English, English.
SPEAKER_01Sounds Norwegian.
SPEAKER_00Sure. I did that 23andMe. I'm just broadly Northwestern European. So if, you know, Vikings, Irish, Scottish, English, sure.
SPEAKER_01Been to Germany, just the issue. She gets spoken to in German. Been to Czech, she gets spoken to in Czech.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So I'm just when though that meme came out, like, oh, it's been a few years ago, where it's, you know, those um the in the cracker aisle, how they had a box of assorted crackers. Pretty much my 23 name.
SPEAKER_01You uh oh man, I keep telling you, if we did mine, which we'll never do because 23andMe has been hijacked by BlackRock, and now all your information. I bet I wouldn't be surprised if I had Asian and all sorts of stuff in there.
SPEAKER_00We're body of the theory is the Africans that were brought over, right? Is that why you're so dark complexed? But the Tayana, how do you say it?
SPEAKER_01Tainos.
SPEAKER_00Tainos Indians, the natives of Puerto Rico, they were very dark.
SPEAKER_01They were pretty dark.
SPEAKER_00Because they originally came from the Amazon, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Supposedly they swam up all the islands, swam up. They came, you know, they started populating all the islands, you know, until they made it to Puerto Rico and Cuba and all these other places. Yeah. So Orinoco Indians, supposedly.
SPEAKER_00So it'd be very interesting.
SPEAKER_01Have that, and then Spain, and Spain had a mix of Middle Eastern guys because they were under Moorish control for 800 years. So there's a whole bunch of stuff that could have happened. Um, that if you did a 23 MEI, it'd be all over the place.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's something that just to go way off topic, that we were learning about in uh Germany, Germany and Czech when we were there at one of the museums, how the Vikings, remember that the Vikings influence? No, it was a video I was watching about the Vikings, yeah. And how the Vikings were from Norway and Sweden. And Sweden. And then they would go down to like France and made it into the UK too. Into the UK. And then at some point they be they go there and they they conquer an area or they establish an area and then they start to speak French and then they identify as French or they are French. So it's like, but you're a Viking, you're Norwegian, but then your offspring will be French, even though technically they're Norwegian. Yeah. And so it's like nobody knows really where any of us are from.
SPEAKER_01Well, and then the Russians, too, right? The Vikings that made it to Russia, and then they became the Rus. So it it is pretty interesting. So Russians are really from Norwegian, like yeah, we're all over the place, just the way God intended it to be. Just go populate, spread, you know, gave us dominion over the world.
SPEAKER_00So that's just in my passport photo. I look like a spy. And because I can blend in anywhere in Eastern Europe.
SPEAKER_01And me, they'll have to figure it out.
SPEAKER_00Eastern and Western Europe.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. They'll have to figure it out. Because I got like a different, it's like a different shade, you know? It's not the same, it's just a different ship. Like, where is this guy from? Got a different shade to him. Speaking of shade, you know how you can get a little different. Good job. A little different shade of skin tone, huh?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01From the sun. Because it the summer up in here, cue the Will Smith song, Summer, Summertime.
SPEAKER_00Um was a very awkward transition.
SPEAKER_01No, it wasn't. It was slow. No, it wasn't. It was great. I remixed it like a DJ brought it back and brought us back to the thing.
SPEAKER_00Sunshine.
SPEAKER_01Sunshine. The sun. Summertime. Anyway, we're gonna talk about the sun a little bit here today. Uh, Florida, South Florida, I feel like we're in reverse. We like we're out during the winter because the sun, it's beautiful and the sun's shining perfectly, and it's like 75 degrees down here. So it's beach season, baby. Summertime hits, it's too hot for the beach. And we we go indoors because that sun is baking people out there.
SPEAKER_00But everywhere humidity and it's more rainy.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and it rains more a lot here, too, in the summer. But everywhere else, people are venturing outdoors. Now, what does that mean for people of the northern variant or people that have been in hiding in hibernation for the past couple of months till you know the spring and summertime hit and they weren't exposing themselves to the sun? It means that they're gonna have an exponential increase in sun exposure because you know your body's telling you to go outside, it needs that vitamin D, baby, especially if you're up north. Um and a lot of people, what do they do at that point?
SPEAKER_00Burn.
SPEAKER_01Burn. Now, obviously, they don't want to burn, so they reach for the sunscreen. So sunscreen has been getting, I feel like the discussion, you know, maybe a couple years ago, two or three years ago, if you said sunscreen was insane and that it's not good for you, people would have looked at you sideways, you're like, you're crazy. Now it's becoming people are ready for the conversation, right? And it's even uh it's out in mainstream, like mainstream news media is covering reports and their studies now talking about hey, sunscreen is not as great as we thought it was, right? Um, so we're gonna go over one a little bit. We got here uh clinical trials that were published in JAMA. Okay, you've heard that name before. It's the Journal of American Medical Association, okay? Very mainstream uh medicine journal, you know, a lot of studies, a lot, it's widely of it like this. Is I didn't have to dig in the dark web. This is not from tinfoil had city, although I love tinfoil had city, but um this is mainstream, okay? So they published a clinical trial um where volunteers applied sunscreen and then they tested their blood. Because what they wanted to see is if the stuff that's in the this these topical lotions is getting into the bloodstream, right? If that happens, then we can assume that there's a certain level of toxicity happening, right? People need to understand one thing. If you put it on your skin, if it comes in contact with your skin, it's being absorbed and it's going into your bloodstream.
SPEAKER_00And if you say, nah-uh, then why does testosterone cream work? Why does estrogen cream work? Ding ding ding ding ding. Why do nicotine patches work? Ding ding ding ding ding.
SPEAKER_01So peptides are coming in patches now too.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So you have to, right? You have to understand that, oh, it just goes on my skin. No, listen, these lotions, and there's another uh moisturizing lotion that's currently undergoing lost lawsuits. Cervay. Cerae, because it is uh one of its ingredients converts into benzene, which benzene is a carcinogen. So they're undergoing lawsuits for being carcinogenic, right? So something to think about when we wonder, oh, why are we so sick? Here you go. Yet answer number 1,500, right? Um so they tested these volunteers, they made them put sunscreen on, and then they tested them. And what they were finding is that the active ingredients in the sunscreen were testing, were active in their bloodstream, but they were at way higher levels than what the FDA would deem safe for those ingredients. So the FDA safety threshold for that stuff was 0.5 nanograms per milliliter. 0.5. What they were testing on these things were at 258 nanograms. So 0.5? They're testing at 258.
SPEAKER_00Just a smidge.
SPEAKER_01Just a smidge above what the safety guideline, right? Um, the point of that threshold that the FDA said, and you know we love the FDA here because the FDA does great things to look out for our health. They're not co-opted at all. They're, you know, super boom. The integrity levels at the FDA are high. We can always trust it, right? I'm being sarcastic if you didn't catch that. Um, the point of that threshold is because it's below what they would deem a cancer risk, right? So anything below 0.5, they the cancer risk goes down to about one in a hundred thousand. So that's why they're like, okay, we're okay with this. Go back to our previous episodes where we always ask ourselves how crazy it is that we're setting limits to how much we can poison ourselves. Instead of being like, no, we're not gonna touch it at all, it's like, oh no, you can poison yourself this much. You know, but and then you gotta remember that we are microdosing toxicity everywhere, all the time. Candles, fresheners, fragrance, lotions, you know, food, glyphosate in the food, whatever. So it becomes uh a cascade. Now, the uh ingredients that that that we're talking about are oxybenzone and avobenzone.
SPEAKER_00Oxybenzone. Oxygenzone.
SPEAKER_01Avo benzo.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_01Does that sound like it belongs in your body?
SPEAKER_00That sounds like stuff I've read on the back of sunscreen labels.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and it sounds like it belongs in your body, right? So the thing, the the beef, the initial beef with these things is that they are endocrine disruptors. They are xenoestrogens, meaning these things, when they hit your bloodstream, they mimic the effects of estrogen. Guys, that's exactly what you want. Stuff that mimics the effect of estrogen in your body. Um, so you could raise, you know, drop your testosterone. Women, you could throw your estrogen concentration out of whack, you know. That's exactly what you want. Now, yeah, there's other stuff that mimics the effects of estrogen in your body. Uh soy, most notoriously, everybody knows that. Um, funny story on soy. Before we knew about plant protein and bioavailability and all this stuff, you know, we were in Iraq. You know, when you deploy, you pretty much, other than your job, you're gonna do two other things. You're gonna watch movies, probably bootleg. Now it might be different, but back then it was bootleg, right? You have to find a good bootleg copy, and you're gonna get jacked. Everybody that deploys wants to get jacked. So the supplement, I mean, all the supplements that you've never heard of are coming in. People trying everything. Now, the guys that I used to work out with, they found these little uh soy milk, chocolate, uh, little ready-to-drink things. They're like, bro, look at how much protein it has. So they were all drinking soy milk after the workouts. And then about halfway through the deployment, somebody like, bro, you know that stuff is like estrogen in your body. So it's like, okay, you're not getting jacked, you're growing man boobies, my guy. Anyway.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. People have known about soy for a while as a as a xenoestrogen, if you will, or an but you didn't know about oxybenzone and avobenzone.
SPEAKER_00I did not know they were xenoestrogens.
SPEAKER_01Yep. In your sunscreen. Uh, there's other stuff, um, pesticides like atrazine, also uh uh estrogenic. Uh atrazine, pesticide, famously used, um, is the study on that one, is the frog study that everybody talks about. Uh you know, Joe Rogan talks about um where the frogs actually lost their male proper properties and transferred and became female from exposure to atrazine in the water. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_00Yep.
SPEAKER_01Just spray that in our food. Why don't we?
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, okay. Your initial takes on sunscreen, because I don't wear sunscreen, never have, never really will. I came with natural sunscreen.
SPEAKER_00So are you assuming that just because of my lack of melanin that I've been exposed to more sunscreen?
SPEAKER_01Uh I am correctly assuming that yes, because of your lack of melanin, you've been exposed, you have more sunscreen experience than I do. Facts.
SPEAKER_00This is very true. I was that kid who got too sunburnt on the first day of vacation, so I had to wear a white t-shirt over her swimsuit and under her life jacket the next day at the lake.
SPEAKER_01Nice. Yeah. Because you were red like a tomato? Yes. I think I've only peeled once. Like I got the peeling from one day in the sun.
SPEAKER_00There's so many sunburns. Yeah. Um, so yeah, so sunscreen, sunscreen, sunscreen has always been a staple for me. Um, you know, and you go to any dermatologist, make sure you wear a sunscreen. Make sure you wear sunscreen. Make sure you wear sunscreen. I would say probably uh four or five years ago, I started getting a little suspicious of sunscreens because they just didn't feel they just smelled so, especially the aerosol ones. Yes, super easy access, but they just smell so chemically, right? And so I I transitioned over to more mineral sunscreen, started looking into that. A lot of trial and error. Remember when we went to the uh we hiked the Grand Canyon, I brought like a little tin of um tallow-based sunscreen.
SPEAKER_01Oh, and it melted, yeah. That melts. Well, it was a hundredthsome degrees in the Grand Canyon.
SPEAKER_00I go to like open the tin to put more sun in and I'm just like, huh.
SPEAKER_01We forgot about that.
SPEAKER_00I feel like I I should be smart enough to have foreseen that, but I didn't, but uh so I tend to use more natural ones that are more zinc-based. Um but I just haven't really found a great one. You know, the great thing is is knowing my limits, right? So I go into suntimeouts. We bought like a beach, uh it's like an umbrella tent thing so I can hide under it. Sun shirts, hats. I just know, like I don't have a ton of melanin. I can't be two hours out on the beach without protection. So I just know that. Now I would rather cover myself than wear a ton of sunscreen, if able. Times where I've had to put on sunscreen, I use that deuterra stick mostly or that lotion, and that's gonna be like I just I don't have any coverage. Um, but I've gotten a lot better about sun shirts. Like when we went shooting last weekend, even though it was cloudy, you you're still getting exposed to the UV rays. And so after a while, I was like, Yeah, I should put my sun shirt on. Yeah, and I didn't burn, so it was great.
SPEAKER_01So the before I there's this video roaming around of a dermatologist convention in Hawaii, and they all look like an episode out of Mad Max, they're all covered, like they're hats and sun shirts and pants, like nothing is exposed to the sun, but they're hanging out on the beach.
SPEAKER_00I'm just saying, if I'm gonna be spending more than 30 minutes outside consistently, and I don't have access to go inside or get shade, I will cover up or wear sunscreen if I have to. Now, I do understand, and we're gonna go into this, there's huge benefit for sun exposure, mostly in the morning and in the evening. So sunrise, sunset, and like a couple hours after, like an hour or so after sunrise. I don't wear sunscreen, I don't wear sunglasses. I want to absorb all that goodness of red light and get that sun. Now, midday, so thinking classically like 10 to 4 p.m. varies on what time of the year and where you are. Is that white light? That's where you're gonna absorb vitamin D. And so I don't want to block any of that. Like I purposely um want to expose my skin for some amount of time. Now, the vitamin D from the sun to be absorbed into my skin has less barriers because I don't have as much melanin as Dan. So I can absorb sun quickly. So then if I, you know, absorb sun for 20 minutes or so and then I cover up, fine. Dan needs to spend a lot more time in the sun because that sun has to penetrate through his melanin.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So um there's a lot there because You you know, there's management, right? And then it's also where we are. We're in Florida. Um, you have to get sun adapted. If we were up north, like say we were in a place like Montana or I don't know, Idaho, like the northwest, something like that, where the sun's shining, but it's just obviously not hitting as hard as a subtropical place like Florida, are you probably be able to spend more time out in the sun because the sun's not hitting as hard.
SPEAKER_00My worst sunburn of my adult life in Costa Rica. Because the sun hit different there.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and now you're closer to the equator. Yeah. So, and that's something to consider, right? Um, you know, if you're in Ohio right now and the sun's shining, it's gonna be different than being down here. So you could probably spend more time out there. Now, what Janie's trying to get at, or I think you're trying to get at, is that there's a sun adaptation process that needs to happen. People normally hibernate all winter, especially if you're in colder climates, and then boom, the sun comes out and you're out there like nothing, like nothing ever happened. You have to go through an acclimation process for my fair-skinned people to be able to tolerate the sun, right? Now, what does that involve? First of all, without even getting into the diet part, because yes, what you eat plays a part into how much you can tolerate the sun. Um it's getting the morning light stuff and and building yourself up there. The morning light, that red light that in the morning actually makes your body produce melanin, amongst other things. So, melanin, this thing that I have a lot of, because I'm dark complexed, is sun protectant, right? That's why us darker people, you know, like I don't burn the same way, I don't, I'm not affected by the sun the same way as fair-complexed people. This is sun protection. So when your body produces more of it, you're more protected to be exposed to the midday rays of the sun. You want the midday rays of the sun, you want to spend some time out there because that's where the vitamin D is produced, right? Vitamin D is produced on your skin, going back to whatever's on your skin absorbs into your bloodstream, and then that seeps into your body and into the bloodstream, and then all the beautiful stuff starts happening. Okay. Now, with that in mind, you have to go through that process. Especially even somebody like me, I have to do it too. But you lighter complexed people, you really have to go through that process and spend time to acclimate. And then when you start exposing yourself to the midday sun, you don't just go out there for an hour butt butt naked.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You know, you still you might start with 10 minutes and then go under the umbrella type thing, which is what we do at the beach. You know, if we take out the umbrella, it's like, okay, Janie's on the sun, get your vitamin D on. Okay, 10 minutes, boom, get in there. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00Then I'll go back. I remember when I was out visiting a friend in uh oh gosh, Myrtle Beach, and we were spending like all day on the beach. Um, I would, there's a few of us where we would go out for a little bit, then we'd walk back up into the um Airbnb, hang out inside, go back out, hang inside, go back out, hang in, you know. And so it's just knowing, knowing that. Not to mention, I don't know if this has, I I've never looked into this, but I don't know if it has to do with skin tone or not. But the sun wipes me out if I'm in it all day.
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it could be that I think that's skin tone related.
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SPEAKER_01Prior to I wonder how lighter complexed humans roamed around all day without sunscreen prior to, you know, what we know now, prior to the invention of sunscreen. I wonder how they did it. You know, how they worked farms, how they worked in, you know, building stuff outside all day.
SPEAKER_00And granted, hats, right? And like you go back to like Asian society where darker complexion is or used to be a representation of field workers, therefore lower status, where higher status people were lighter complexed, right? Because they weren't, they didn't have to be out in the sun doing labor. And so I don't, I don't know. That's the only documentation of like skin tone that I've noticed.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Like effects of sun on skin tone that I've seen documented. I don't know about people burning because what we're trying to get to is that there are some studies that show the consumption of linoleic acid. Linoleic acid, which how do you get linoleic acid?
SPEAKER_01Oh, seed oils. Seed oils. Yep.
SPEAKER_00A diet high in that.
SPEAKER_01Your body does need linoleic acid, but the seed oils throw off that balance. And then you have an excessive amount of linoleic acid that saturates your cells and it just sits in there, basically.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_00And the consumption of high amounts of linoleic acid exposure with the sun leads to more burns, which then can cause mutations of skin cells that can then lead to what we know as skin cancer.
SPEAKER_01There's also of note, which I should have written the stats down, but a lot of the countries with the highest incidences of melanoma are not the countries that you would expect to have them.
SPEAKER_00Like you would expect, okay, who gets like Sahara Desert, you know, so Middle East, Africa, the you know, Central America, the Caribbean.
SPEAKER_01Those are not the places where melanoma is rampant.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01It's places like the UK, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And so you could argue like, well, they're not sun exposed and then they get exposed to sun. Like I had, you know, I had melanoma on my leg, which I was shocked because my mother is freckled like I am, but she has a little bit more of an olive tone to her skin, right, than I do. But she, I remember growing up, she would lay out in the yard, you know, the old school lawn chair, the you have to creak it, push it down to like adjust it back up, baby oil on her body. Maybe even Crisco, it's you know, made like vegetable oil, right? If she didn't have baby oil with like the foil thing, like that, getting dark AF. Like she would get so dark. She's had like basal cell carcinomas removed, which is like the very lowest grade it goes basal cell carcinoma, squama cell carcinoma, melanoma, and degree of severity. But she's never had melanoma. And yet, me, I didn't, you know, yes, did I do my share of tanning beds in high school because one of my friends worked at it? Sure. Okay. But I didn't bake out in the sun like she did. But I got melanoma on the inside of my ankle.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's a weird spot. There's a lot there.
SPEAKER_00Um and then my lower legs don't tan. Because most of my sun exposure I get walking around outside. Like, yeah, maybe I'll take my shirt off just to get more sun exposure. Um, but very rarely do I just lay in the sun. I'm just not not a huge fan of that. I'd rather be moving. And so I'm upright, so my lower legs aren't gonna get as much direct sun. Plus, I played soccer for years, so constantly wear shin guards, high socks. It just hasn't like, yeah.
SPEAKER_01I it it it is there's something there, right? It's very correlative. Um, and a lot of people, this theory is catching a lot of steam that your consumption, what you eat, matters when it comes to sun exposure. And so I think you're kind of proof of that. I think your sun tolerance has gone up significantly after we kind of stumbled upon this um detail of changing our diet once we kicked the seed oils out, and we started timing your exposure to the sun, and we lost the sunglasses.
SPEAKER_00Um and I changed my contacts to not be UV, because I had UV protectant contacts. And I'm like, well, if I'm walking in the morning and I want to absorb like, you know, red light, I don't want to.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I there's something there, and I I can't recommend it enough. I think people, seed oils really shouldn't be a thing. But if you really, you know, want to be able to get outside more and that sort of thing, I think like a 30-day period of eliminating them, even though it takes longer for those linoleic acid um ratios in your body to like so linoleic acid is almost like a forever chemical type of thing because once it saturates and you bit, it stays there. They say it takes years to like clear out. But, you know, go through a period of of cleaning your diet up and then do a period of acclimation to the sun. And I think you're gonna be uh pleasantly surprised with your results and with burning and that sort of thing. Not to mention your vitamin D levels are gonna go through the roof, you know, um, which is always a good thing. Um funny how diet plays a role in everything. It plays a role in mood, it plays a role in your ability to be outside. Just something to think about. Now, sunscreens, you know, we're not saying don't ever put any sunscreen on. You got to think about what's in the sunscreen. It we go back to reading the labels, right? I mean, uh let me oxybenzone. Does that just when you read it, when you turn a bottle of sunscreen, the average stuff that's on the shelves around, and you read it, read the ingredients. Tell me if that sounds like stuff. I mean, the the ingredient list is that long. Does that sound like something that should be in your body? Right. And not when we let me the corals, like when there are beaches in this world and places where they don't want you to wear certain sunscreens when you get in the water because you're literally leaving a chemical streak in the water that's killing the the stuff in the beach. Does that not clue you in that maybe we're doing the wrong thing there?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's what I was gonna get to. When you wear more natural sunscreens like that Deuterra stick when we were using it in um the Grand Canyon, like my sweat was like drops and we're staying because it literally provides a barrier. Whereas like your traditional copper tone, right? You put and it absorbs in. So if you really think about it, how is it protecting you from the sun? It's not providing a barrier because it's absorbing in your skin. So it's providing a chemical reaction for you to not get burnt. Well, anytime there's a chemical reaction, that's gonna release some sort of byproduct or waste or something. So what is that? What's happening there? So I feel much better. And it is, yes, it's a pain because you can feel the barrier on you. It's harder to get it cleaned off. Like you really have to scrub with some brands. But I'd rather have a barrier than I don't know what's happening in my skin, but I'm not getting burnt. Little mystery reactions.
SPEAKER_01And so those the sunscreens that have the filters, they call them avobenzone, oxybenzone, they're the filters, right? The ones that have the filters that more natural stuff, the mineral ones based, like zinc oxide, and then they put titanium dioxide on here, which I'm like titanium dioxide, I'm like this.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but titanium dioxide, what I know, because it's in so much stuff, like makeup specifically. Um, it's to like uh it's either a whitening agent or a bleaching agent or something.
SPEAKER_01That one I'm like this.
SPEAKER_00Oh there's Maggie.
SPEAKER_01Maggie Moo, what you doing, baby? There's a guard dog Maggie. I've never heard Maggie talk so much. Okay, Maggie baby. Maggie.
SPEAKER_00She's fine.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Anyway, that's the special guest yet again. Maggie's on her like seventh podcast episode. Yeah. Um anyway, the zinc oxide, we I we get it, right?
SPEAKER_00That's in a lot of like the just think of the classic lifeguard with the white nose.
SPEAKER_01Yep, and and it's in a lot of like the cleaner ingredient type stuff. Titanium dioxide, I'm like this. I'm like that one. I don't know about that one, but it's generally regarded as safe. It's got the generally regarded as safe label on it. Now, hey, listen.
SPEAKER_00We've It was in uh Skittles.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, titani, exactly. Titanium dioxide is in Skittles. That's why I'm like, I don't know about that one, but it it um it's got the generally regarded as safe labels. We've spoken about the generally regarded as safe label. Grass. Um, take it as a grain of salt, right? Because um it's not corroborated by independent sources. Usually when something gets the grass label on it, it's the manufacturer, the producer, telling the FDA, oh yeah, this is grass because we tested it. And there's no checks and balances on that. Right, right? With that in mind, zinc oxide seems to be a better option. We know what zinc is, your body needs it, your body uses it, seems to be the better option. Okay. Um, the other filters, the avobenzones, the oxybenzones that are in 99% of sunscreens, they don't have the grass label on them. And the FDA does not go out of their way to tell you they're safe, but they're also not going out of their way to tell you they're harmful. They're in this category where the FDA almost doesn't like this. Exactly. The FDA is insane. There's not enough data to confirm their safety, but there isn't enough data to confirm they're harmful type of thing. And it sounds like a whole bunch of CYA. Like just they're just like, oh, let me cover my butt here and not tell people that they're harmful, but I'm not gonna tell people that they're safe either. So why is it that the active ingredients in the majority of sunscreens on these shelves is something that the FDA doesn't recognize as safe? Not that it would mean anything, right? Because the FDA, so think about this, because the FDA recognizes a safe a bunch of BS, a bunch of BS that's making us sick, and they won't go out of the way to recognize this stuff as safe? Yeah. Yo, that should give you alarms, bells, whizzles should be going off everywhere, right? So something to consider there. Now, how do we address for summer? Going back to it to kind of wrap this up. How do we address this thing?
SPEAKER_00Time your exposure. Boom. So aim for more morning sun, evening sun if you have to be out in the midday. Um, just you know, know your know your limits and plan accordingly. Hat, sunshirt, umbrella, shade, things like that.
SPEAKER_01Give yourself time also to acclimate, right? Like you want to get exposed to it and you want to expose a lot of skin to the sun. Well, don't just rush out there and be like, I'm gonna go from hibernation to three hours in this in the midday sun.
SPEAKER_00One of Dan's clients, because we're going to Kansas this weekend for my dad's 80th birthday. Um, one of my one of Dan's clients was like, You better get some sun exposure before Kansas to get used to it. And I'm like, we're we're in Florida. Yeah, there's not more sun in Kansas.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, well, and you be outside.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I you know, I think it's because Kansas has probably less trees, maybe.
SPEAKER_00Where is this flat, but so is Florida.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Florida's flat, but we got more trees here. It's like more greener, but not as much greenery easier. Kansas be out there like it's the savannah.
SPEAKER_00No, it's not.
SPEAKER_01Kansas, Kansas is out there like, hey, just the whole thing, just fields.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_01And then there's like two trees.
SPEAKER_00So you're excited. Anyway, you're excited to go to Kansas.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, going to the country, be nice and quiet for a couple days. Um so just think about the ambiguity that the FDA has given you on the active chemicals in the majority of sunscreens. I want you to go ahead and let that sit in your mind, be like, man, the FDA recognizes a bunch of stuff that's harmful as safe. And then, you know, years after they approve it, we find out that it's causing cancer, like glyphosate, like atrazine, you know, whatever, and stuff in all sorts of products, but they don't go out of their way to put a label on these on these compounds in your average sunscreen. So Janie talked about exposure, talk about finding more natural options. There's stuff with you know, tallow base with the zinc oxide in it. There's, you know, just make sure you like everything, read the ingredient labels. And if you could be like, I know what that is. Yep, I know what that is too. Oh, look at this. It has like honey, a little tallow, got zinc oxide. Yep, I know what all of that is. I'll wear it. You know, expand that to all your skincare products as well. We'd have to do a deep dive on skincare stuff because that's a multi-billion dollar industry that is also making us sick. But anyway, um, anything you want to add on?
SPEAKER_00Eat more whole natural foods.
SPEAKER_01Boom, changing your diet. Yeah, don't forget that part. You know, that's good for everything, but hey, it also is gonna help you with sun exposure, right? Okay, last thing talking to you about summertime, right?
SPEAKER_00And so we at the beginning, I said this before, at the beginning of every month, this account, the war kitchen or holistic health, I think. One of the two.
SPEAKER_01Uh, I know the war kitchen's one that I see.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, the war kitchen, I like them. They promote, they'll put up like produce of the month. So we already posted, because this will come out late June, maybe August. I don't I don't remember how far ahead we are. But um the fruits produce of June. So, what we want to do is talk about the produce of the summer. So to the whole summer months, what produces in season, because we are big advocates of eating seasonally. This is going to vary your exposure to different nutrients throughout the year, which is just a good thing to have diversity in. Because, like I've mentioned, a lot of nutrients, when they're absorbed in the body, they can compete. So if we're doing the same thing over and over again, we may be deficient in some things. So it's good to have a variety. So take a look at our Instagram every month to see, we'll post it to the story what produce to help you figure out hey, I'm gonna get this stuff at a farmer's market, or this is the fruit or vegetables I'm gonna buy at the store, just to add some variety into your intake.
SPEAKER_01And it's also um they taste better. They taste better. I've no doubt in my mind when you buy the fruit in season, it always tastes better. The ripening cycle is better. You know, I guess we're eating GMOs the rest of the year, or these are GMOs, but these GMOs work better at this time of the year. Summer is bountiful. There's a lot of fruits in stock that are in season right now. It's all the goodness. Yep. Um, obviously, berry season. That's the first one. So strawberries, blueberries, blackberries, uh, or the rat raspberries. So all the berries that we love are in season, right?
SPEAKER_00I don't think cherry is a berry, but it rhymes.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, and it goes well. Cherries are in season as well. Um, there's mulberry, there's a couple other berries that are in season, but the berries that you we all know. Here's two things that I'll tell you about berries when you buy them. Um bacon soda bath. Give them the bacon soda bath because about 15 minutes. Yep.
SPEAKER_00All the berries they're part of that dirty dozen.
SPEAKER_01They're part of the dirty dozen, highly, highly sprayed as we're learning from California. Um, the Pajaro Valley over there where Driscolls is at. Um, if you get the opportunity, buy local. Don't be buying that Driscoll stuff. If You have to buy the Driscoll stuff. Get the organic stuff. Because Driscolls, they need to get boycotted, fam. Yep. Um, but yeah. The berries are in season. Here's a here's my personal favorite right now. Nectarines, y'all. Yep. Nectarines are in season. And they owe so good.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So good.
SPEAKER_00I think peaches are.
SPEAKER_01Peaches are in season as well.
SPEAKER_00Dan doesn't know what a ripe peach is because he bought some peaches yesterday. He's like, take this one. It's ripe. And I'm like, it doesn't feel ripe. He's like, it's ripe. And I'm like, okay, you know, I love you. I trust you. Why did it crunch? Peaches aren't supposed to crunch.
SPEAKER_01Yes, they are. Peaches are so my peach was perfect. Peaches are supposed to have a little crunch. Jamie's used to eating them when they're all like on the other side of ripe where they're super mushy. That's not how the peaches are meant to be eaten. I like my peaches. Juicy, not crunchy. But my peach, my peach was delicious. Tata laliashus. So peach, not the beacon, peaches and nectarines look similar, guys. When you put them next to each other in the market, they look kind of similar.
SPEAKER_00Peaches are a little bit bigger.
SPEAKER_01And they have a little like a little fuzzy thing over them. The nectarine is the better fruit, in my opinion. They're way sweeter, way like tastier, but the peaches are all right. We mess with peaches too.
SPEAKER_00The best peaches we had was the night before our wedding.
SPEAKER_01We were in Georgia. Yeah, we were in Georgia. Yeah. The no Georgia peaches, no doubt. Um, there's a couple of mangoes. There's the alfalfa, what is this? Uh a tolfo mango, and then there's a Hayden mango. Now, the Alfo one, I think it's like the more green and yellow one on the outside. And then the Hayden one is the more reddish one on the outside. Um, on top of being, we got berries, we got peaches and nectarines. It's melon season, y'all. I told Mike yesterday I went, got my groceries at the boys. Shout out the boys, best farmer's market in the area, best produce in the area here in Delray Beach, Florida. And I told Mike, I was like, Mike, I'm traveling next week, but when I come back, we're back on the melons because Mike can touch them and give you a ripe, tell you this one's ready to eat. Or he'll tell you, ah, this one needs one more day, but it'll be ready for you.
SPEAKER_00Two of my favorites are in season right now. Papaya and pineapple.
SPEAKER_01Papaya and pineapple, oh, pineapple hitting right now.
SPEAKER_00It is very good right now.
SPEAKER_01It is, you cut into pineapple now, it is hitting. So, yeah, and I'm excited for the melons too. Cantaloupes, honeydews, and watermelon are in season as well.
SPEAKER_00Which unfortunately, I think I'm developing an allergy to is that honey or cantaloupe? Because I'm the one who cuts the fruit. And you know, when you cut it, it's like chop, chop, chop in the bowl, in my mouth. Chop, chop, chop in the bowl, in my mouth. I think it was the cantaloupe I was cutting, and then after, you know, I got through a couple of the segments of it, I'm like, I was like, oh no, oh no.
SPEAKER_01Use fancy's.
SPEAKER_00Hey, I'm still gonna continue to fafo and just maybe need an epi pin at some point. We'll figure it out.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, let's not do that. Um, plums are in season too. Ooh, I do love me some plums. Yeah, plums are great, especially now when they when they're really.
SPEAKER_00Oh, when you put them on like some cheese and a good salad.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, plums are really good. Plums are in season, y'all. Um, what else? There's some pears coming in, but that's gonna be closer to the fall when the pears really get going. Dragon fruit is in season, and so is passion fruit. Um, dragon fruit is in, I like it in smoothies because it doesn't have really have a taste to it. So dragon fruit and it because it doesn't have a crazy taste to it, it matches well with others. So if you want to put like chocolate protein in there or whatever, dragon fruit is not gonna take over the taste of your smoothie. And it gives your smoothie a really nice color if you have like a like a red dragon fruit or something like that. So you have this crazy, I mean, and that color of it implies it's gonna be very nutrient-dense fruit, right? Um, passion fruit is an interesting one because growing up in Puerto Rico, uh, you we had it in our backyard, and I've had backyards with mangoes and passion fruit and limes. So passion fruit is a really interesting taste and a very rare fruit to find outside of the Caribbean, really. Yep. Um, I had once somebody tell me to make a smoothie with passion fruit and chocolate, said, Oh, it's gonna be great.
SPEAKER_00Yep. So this is not the first time you've brought this up, and I still see the passion fruit in the freezer, which you're not using. You could just throw it away. But you leave it there just to spite me.
SPEAKER_01I'm gonna put it on the door so every time you open it, it just falls out. Don't ever mix passion fruit with chocolate, guys. I can't believe I should have known that. I should have known that. But I mean, it was like a punch in the mouth. It was like, boom, this is not meant to be together. But passion fruit is great. We just had some uh friends from church, they have a passion fruit tree in their backyard, gave us a bunch of passion fruit, so we gotta start using that, putting it on our things. What do we do with fruits? I I like combinations, right? And kind of measure them out a little bit because you don't want to eat a big old bowl of fruit by yourself. And we have them at breakfast or, you know, as a little dinner, little dessert for dinner. Um, like if you put pineapple, strawberries, and blueberries together. Ooh, I do a half a cup of pineapple, half a cup of strawberries, half a cup of blueberries, eat that after my breakfast, you know, because the protein comes first, so scrambled eggs and the turkey and the cottage cheese and all that stuff that we eat. A little bit of sourdough bread, if you know what I'm talking about. And then have my little fruit bowl. What? Delicious, delicious. Yeah. What's your favorite?
SPEAKER_00Um, I think the pineapple and blueberries is really good together. But I don't know, I really like the papaya. The papaya and strawberries are good.
SPEAKER_01Ooh, papaya and strawberries, that's a fire combo, too. That's a really good combo. Very good combo.
SPEAKER_00And then mango, oof, I could eat a whole mango.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00That's just mango and strawberries. I do love that.
SPEAKER_01Mango's such a funny one because I I you've seen the tree that we used to have. Well, you but you never saw it in its glory. It's more like four mango trees in one, so our backyard would be littered with mangoes during mango season, and I had to pick them all up. So for years I refused to eat mango because I was like, I just see them, you know, they're the smell and the fruits of your labor. Okay. Anyways, guys, it's summer. Take care of your skin. Um, get out in the sun, but be responsible if you're a lighter complex person. If you look like me, get out there. Um to eat this bounty of fruits that we're provided. It's just it's bountiful time. Rotate them week to week. Don't just buy the same stuff. You can rotate it and get all sorts of nutrients and colors in your diet. Yep. You know, I mean that that whole thing, that's a spectrum. You got yellow fruit, you got purple fruit, you got red fruit, you got orange fruit. You know what I mean? You got the whiter fruit, but with the skin. So just just get that in there, all that goodness. Enjoy that summer fruit.
SPEAKER_00Yep.
SPEAKER_01Anything you want to close with?
SPEAKER_00Nope, you got it all.
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