Balancing Development and Community: Insights from Union County's Economic Leader

The housing crisis meets economic opportunity in this eye-opening conversation with Eric Phillips, Executive Director of the Union County-Marysville Economic Development Partnership. As Union County claims the title of Central Ohio's fastest-growing county, Phillips reveals the complex relationship between job creation, housing availability, and community development that shapes our region's future.

"A house is where a job goes home at night," Phillips shares, highlighting a sobering reality: within just 20 miles of Marysville, approximately 7,000 jobs remain unfilled while housing remains scarce. The conversation explores how development approval processes can take years, creating bottlenecks that stifle growth and opportunity. We examine why only 10% of Ohio's school districts are growing and challenge common misconceptions about how new housing developments impact local schools and infrastructure.

The discussion shifts to Union County's economic strengths, particularly in manufacturing and R&D. Honda serves as the anchor employer, investing $1 billion to retool its Marysville plant for the future of automotive production. Phillips shares insights on how nearly 2,800 engineering positions along the corridor create tremendous possibilities while presenting workforce challenges, with hundreds of engineering positions remaining unfilled.

Perhaps most compelling is Phillips' vision for collaborative community development through what Europeans call the "triple helix" – business, government, and education working together rather than in silos. His passionate plea to "make Ohio cool again" raises questions about how our state positions itself for future growth in an increasingly competitive landscape. Whether you're a business leader, community member, or policymaker, this conversation offers valuable perspective on the interconnected factors determining Central Ohio's economic trajectory for decades.

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Transcript

Introducing Union County's Economic Landscape

Speaker 1 0:02

Welcome to Central Ohio Matters, the podcast where we delve into the issues that shape Central Ohio's future. Each episode features in-depth conversations with local leaders, visionaries and change makers driving progress in our region. These conversations offer insights into the challenges our communities face and the solutions being crafted to move them forward. Here are your hosts, michelle Gatchel and Ryan Rivers.

Speaker 2 0:24

All right, we've got a great episode for you today, Ryan. We're talking about something that you know you know very well is development, and in this episode we're actually going to Union County and we're gonna talk to Eric Phillips, and he actually is the executive director of the Union County Marysville economic development partnership and, as the Executive Director, chief Executive Director of the Chamber of Commerce, so he's got it all covered. He also is Executive Director of the Marysville Union County Port Authority, so we're going to talk to him all about what's going on in Union County, one of our fastest growing, if not the fastest growing, eric, welcome.

Speaker 3 1:05

Good morning. Well, I appreciate the opportunity.

Speaker 2 1:08

Yeah, so is Union County faster than Delaware now, because I know they were like a hot race to be the fastest growing county.

Speaker 3 1:16

Well, first happened in a year and yes, that is true, we do. Fortunately, when you look at it from a percentage standpoint, we are growing faster than Delaware County, and Delaware County has higher numbers just because its population is higher. But we are growing faster, have been for a few years as well.

Speaker 2 1:32

Yeah, so you know, development is something that I think communities have a love-hate relationship with, you know, and so I want to kind of talk to you about. You know, the headlines are always there's not enough housing for the jobs in our area, um, and I know you guys have been dealing with this, um, so so let's start with housing and and talk about a little. You I know last year you and I talked about it, but what is Union County doing to develop that area?

Speaker 3 2:09

I mean, first and foremost, we are blessed to have developers who want to build housing in our community and they want to invest tens of millions of dollars, and the Columbus region is blessed to have developers wanting to build homes in their respective communities and a lot of counties do not have the opportunities that we have, and I think sometimes we as a region take things for granted a little bit, and I think housing is an issue that can be very touchy, and you know I used to say that you know, in a setting you should not talk about politics, religion and zoning, and because zoning is always a hot point issue with people. But I think housing is now too, because everyone has concerns about housing for affordability, but when it comes to actually building the houses that we need to provide the supply for the demand, people have definitive opinions, yes or no on that housing project, and so that creates a conflict point as we move forward. But let's look at some stats on that. Within a 20-mile radius of Marysville, there are 7,000 jobs that are unfilled, and John Melkai, who is with the BIA, regularly says a house is where a job goes home at night, which is very true, very true. And so if we want to provide the workers for the jobs of tomorrow, we have to look at housing as a top issue.

Speaker 3 3:52

I would say 20 years ago, housing was not something that was in an economic development director's role. Yes, we wanted to encourage more housing for workforce, but there was not the need that we have now, 20 years ago, because right now we are in a housing crisis or crunch, however you want to call it where we definitely have much more demand than supply, and the only way you meet that issue is that you have to build more housing, and I think, with Intel coming on with the announcement down at Rickenbacker, the 4,000 jobs, the project, the drone company, I think we're going to need more housing to supply the workers for those facilities, but also for Honda, for other companies as well, if we want to continue to grow from an economic development standpoint. But there's a conflict here and I think everyone needs to kind of understand it and be informed of why housing is needed as well. So that's kind of an overview. I mean I can get more in depth about you know the good and the bad and why both sides have strong opinions.

Speaker 3 4:59

Either way, if you would like, I mean I can talk a little bit more, I guess. How do you want to go down this path? To talk a little bit more about this. I can talk about Ohio in general. We can talk about schools and so forth and their impacts.

Speaker 4 5:10

Well, yeah, Eric, I was going to ask you in just in general, state of Ohio versus other states, competitive challenges when does Ohio stack up as far as developer builder wants to come to Ohio. What challenges for E's business are they going to face versus some of our competition?

Speaker 3 5:28

Well, the good news. I think the state of Ohio Department of Development actually changed their forecast, where we're going to grow more than they thought because of the job opportunities in Ohio. People move where job opportunities are strong, and we're strong in Columbus, and if it wasn't for Columbus, Ohio would not be as strong, as we all know. But we are not growing. We're growing. We're in the one of the slowest growing states in the union, and so when you look at that and understand that people are leaving, or more leaving than coming here and we're not having the you know our, you know the student or the kids as well, that creates a problem in Ohio. And so we have to combat winter, as we all know, and so we're not a sunbelt state where you have sunshine and warmer weather. But you know, Ohio is a special place. I mean, I grew up here, I've never lived anywhere else. I have to admit that. So I guess I'm biased, but I think we are a resilient population group of people. I think we have great opportunities here. We have great schools, we have great government, we do great things here. It's the home of so many presidents, the home of inventors.

Speaker 3 6:44

You can't say enough about Ohio, but somehow we have to continue to work to make Ohio cool again, I guess in a way to get people to be more attracted to being in Ohio, Because right now we don't really beat our chest when we have wins as much as we should, we don't really acknowledge that as much as we should. And that statement they say Ohio against the world. That runs deep in our veins, not just because of Ohio State, but it runs deep in our veins because we feel unappreciated or unrecognized, I think from a flyover country standpoint, from a national standpoint. So I think there's factors at play in that. But we got to make Ohio cool again. In a way we got to continue to attract young people to move here, to have their families to grow their families.

Speaker 4 7:26

So the housing issues. Ohio's attractive. We've got employers, We've got people that want to move here. Come here. However, we have housing issues. How do we get over some of those hurdles? How do we fix some of these problems where we can get more housing, inventory, affordable housing, some of these challenges that we're facing now?

Housing Crisis in Central Ohio

Speaker 3 7:51

I mean I think there's a number of factors. You know coming from the, you know listening to the BIA. I think our zoning laws, we have a lot of zoning, jurisdictional authorities throughout the state of Ohio Township has zoning, city has zoning. Zoning really drives your housing, your development and where it goes. And I think, finding ways to improve the processes for approval. It shouldn't take two years to approve a development plan. I think some counties in Ohio it's two to three years to get a residential development approved and if you look at that window of two to three years to get things approved and then it's probably five to 15 years to build out a development, you're looking at almost 20 years before development starts till it ends in a lot of ways and that's a long time. If we could expedite that approval process I think that would be a win. I think the other thing is is that we got to take on housing and talk about its need to the public so they're better informed on the information in which they have. Um, they're not.

Speaker 3 9:13

Just because you built a housing development does not mean that you're going to flood the school district with students because people are not having as many children as they once did so. Um, the student, you know student populace there's only. There's 613 school districts in the state of Ohio. Around that number. Only 60 of them are growing in the state of Ohio Only 60, most of which are in central Ohio, of course, but put that into context. So only 10% of our school districts are growing. So that tells you something that maybe we are doing something that's not right. Would you rather grow and build a school building, or would you rather tear a school building down? I mean, those are some common sense, I think, lines we have to come up with as well.

Speaker 3 9:48

The other thing is, there's this growth of concern about apartments, and I think that's maybe in our DNA that we're concerned that apartment living maybe does not meet the standard of renting or leasing, does not meet the standard of home ownership, and you know, maybe 20, 30 does not meet the standard of home ownership and you know, maybe 20, 30 years ago that could have been true. In a lot of ways. However, I think people need to look at housing a little different, because people may not want to be tied down to a mortgage. People want flexibility. The only true, only affordable option might be the multifamily unit that are being constructed.

Speaker 3 10:27

The average, I think two bedroom in Marysville now is between $1,600 and $1,800, which is pretty high. Back in the day you could have a mortgage less than that. So my mortgage is actually less than that because I bought my home over 20 some years ago, so the housing is now becoming unattainable to so many people. Actually less than that because I bought my home over 20 some years ago, so I couldn't under. The housing is now becoming unattainable to so many people and I think apartments are now the option now.

Speaker 3 10:50

Yet a lot of people view housing as apartments bringing maybe traffic, maybe people with lesser income in the community, but in most cases these are young professionals that are moving in. They're bringing opportunities and a lot of cases apartments only have one or two bedrooms or maybe they're a studio and if that's the case they're not bringing in children. They're going to flood the school districts with a lot of students. So I think providing information to the public about these different things, about growth and development, I think is important.

Speaker 3 11:20

The other thing I think that people don't really truly understand that there is clear, a clear nexus between if you want that brewery in your community or you want that Panera bread on the corner, or you want whatever your favorite restaurant is or your favorite apartment store. If you really want that in your community, you want those retail, those amenity options. Community, you want those retail, those amenity options. You have to have rooftops, you have to have housing. That will drive the need for retail for restaurants, for breweries, for wineries, and I think sometimes the public does not fully understand or grasp that because disposable income drives those types of uses.

Speaker 4 12:03

Well, you said it can be two to three years for residential development. What about commercial, a large-scale employer, If it's taking that long? For a residential? How long is it taking? And then that's also very competitive when you have trying to attract your larger employers.

Speaker 3 12:20

Yeah, I think all permitting processes need to be fast-tracked. I mean, I'm a big believer in that. I also understand we want quality development as well, with the commercial aspect. The good news typically the property in which they select is already subdivided, so it's not like a residential subdivision. It has to go through a platting process. A platting process and a development project typically takes longer than maybe a commercial project because it's more focused on one parcel, so it makes it a little bit easier. So that process typically is a little bit faster, a lot faster. But in the same light you want to always look at ways where you can streamline processes to open the door for future growth yet also maintain the quality and the design that you want in your respective community. So there's a balancing act here. But commercial tends to be a lot faster than residential because you have to go through a whole development review process.

Speaker 2 13:13

In Union County. What are your areas? You know you've got Richwood Marysville County. What are your areas? You know you've got Richwood Marysville. Where are your areas as far as housing goes, that can be expanded right now easily.

Speaker 3 13:27

Yeah, so anywhere from Jerome Township just outside of Dublin all the way to Marysville is probably where 95% plus of our growth is currently occurring. So much, like you know, or hopefully not the same as Southern Delaware County, because I know a lot of people have concerns about traffic there. But in the same light, you know, our Southern section of our county, where Southeastern section, specifically, is seeing the most growth along the 33 corridor, plain City, of course, is seeing that there is now a housing apartment development proposed in Richwood, which is really good. But you know the thing about Richwood is is that it has great opportunities because, number one, your development costs are going to be less, you know, and you have opportunities up there for housing. It's going to be, but all in all land's, less expensive. Your development process is going to be expensive.

Speaker 3 14:16

So there might be more interest in some of these outlying communities to see more housing developments Because currently, when you have a lot of growth happening around 270 and just outside of 270, what you're seeing is there's a huge demand for housing development but in a lot of cases those processes and costs are much higher because the processes take longer than maybe some of these outlying communities. So I think you're going to see more growth in the outlying areas, but really Jerome Township, marysville, plain City, that triangular area is really where a lot of the growth is focused here in Union County. Of course Dublin is partly in Union County as well. They've seen substantial growth. They're a great partner. We work with them on a regular basis and actually appreciate all the work they do in their community.

Challenges of Development Approval Processes

Speaker 2 15:02

Switching over to more of the business aspect. Are there certain industries that you as a county are really focusing on right now to bring in?

Speaker 3 15:12

Absolutely. There's a saying that our county we had a county commissioner at the timeenn erwin, god rest his soul. Um, when honda located here he used to say allen township but I've kind of changed to say union county. He used to have a saying that in union county we know how to grow corn, beans and cars. Um, I don't think that's unique to us. I think that's true to ohio.

Speaker 3 15:34

So, to answer your question, manufacturing is always going to be important to us because we know how to make things in Ohio. It's clearly in our DNA. We know how to grow things in Ohio it's clearly in our DNA. So manufacturing and agri-ag are so important to our future, we've got to continue to work on those Along our corridor. We also look at tech from an R&D perspective. We have a number of engineers currently located. There's almost 2,800 engineers between Dublin and Honda positions along this corridor, 2,700 plus I believe, and so there's like 6,000 life sciences. So there's a lot of research going on. So research and development is clearly in our, in our, in our niche that we, we, we look at to try to element is clearly in our niche, that we look at to try to locate. And you know, mostly manufacturing, r&d of course, and that type of stuff, but that's another area we look at.

Speaker 3 16:27

We also, of course, you know, would definitely would like to see some semiconductor suppliers located here. I mean, that's a new industry to Ohio, I think. With the recent announcements in other states east of the Mississippi, I think what you're going to see is probably growth of the supplier network, not only in Ohio but other states as well. It's just not going to be Ohio Originally. You know the talk was all the suppliers are going to be located in Ohio, but I think they're looking, probably more so, in other areas. I think that's an area that definitely has growth possibilities, has growth possibilities.

Speaker 3 17:01

The other thing is, I think we need to continue to look at how we support our restaurants, our retail, as we move forward. We do not have a Kohl's here. I think it was on our list and we were on their list and then the pandemic hit and I think people would like to see a department store here. The good thing about the good and the bad thing about Marysville, for example, or most of Union County we are far enough away, which puts us to a disadvantage, but we're also close enough, which gives us an advantage, to Dublin and to Columbus, where we have tons of shopping opportunities.

Speaker 3 17:34

You can. I can get to players from Marysville in less than 30 minutes. Opportunities. I can get to players from Marysville in less than 30 minutes. I can get to Dublin in 15 minutes. So people have options here and I think that's a good thing, but I think it also hurts our chances of getting large scale retail. Furthermore, online sales is growing, so it puts a lot of the department stores at risk to build new facilities. So that's the other concern as well as we go forward. So it's evolving and changing, but retail restaurant opportunities would be something else that I would definitely add to that list.

Speaker 2 18:08

When you are connecting with potential companies that are thinking about moving into Union County because we just talked about the housing issue how do you guarantee them that they'll find workers?

Speaker 3 18:21

You know that's definitely that's a great question. We sell the heck out of our high schools and our career techs and our community college. I will say, arguably, ohio has really strong K-12 career tech community college system set up and we are blessed to have strong schools and especially in Union County we have great school districts and great leaders. Our career techs in high schools are doing high school internships something we never had, or at least I didn't have when I was growing up, and that has added a new assistance in tying the schools closer to the business community. You have community. You have Columbus State, which has the manufacturing extension program that basically works with local manufacturers, small manufacturers, to help them grow. So that is a huge win. You have the modern manufacturing apprenticeship program. It's called a work-study program at Columbus State. It provides a pipeline of an apprentice that will work at that company.

Speaker 3 19:22

So how I sell it would be saying here is the foundation that we have, which is a remarkable high school system, a remarkable career tech system, a remarkable community college as well as a university standpoint system, that we can develop a pipeline for you that can be successful for your company to grow here. That's kind of how I would sell it Now if they bring up, you know where are we with. You know the number of jobs are currently available. You'd have to just say, hey look, this means there's opportunities here and you can take advantage. You just got to, you know, pay enough money to those employees and you can attract those, those employees, to work for you.

Speaker 3 20:00

So that's kind of you know people want to be here and again, I think we take that for granted. So I think, knowing that they want to be here and and talking up our educational system and our pipeline development, 10 years ago we were not focused enough on manufacturing as being something that we wanted to do much. We took shop class out of schools. We got away from, I think, our DNA, which we know how to make things. We know how to grow things. We've done a much better job the last 10 years with the straight A funding, with other funding that the state's provided, to refocus our efforts back on manufacturing, but both on agriculture and other things as well. I think there's great opportunities, but that's how I would sell it to that, to, to, to companies as well.

Speaker 2 20:49

I kind of want to jump here a little bit, but I want to talk about Honda. I mean, I think we can't. You know, honda in and of itself was a huge coup for you, like you mentioned, but through the years the support for Honda has probably brought a lot of new business, if you will, to your area. Is it still growing and do you see it growing?

Manufacturing and Industry Growth Opportunities

Speaker 3 21:23

you see it growing. Yeah, I mean in the last five years I would say previous, five years ago, before the pandemic shutdowns, you know I think everyone probably wanted a Honda job. Honda because of what the pay was, what it meant. I think things have evolved so much and I'll get back to your question here, but I want to kind of explain this. But over the last five years I think work life balance has taken, I think, precedent. You know, we want more home balance, we want more home driven things. Now things might change. I saw a stat this morning that only six percent of the federal workers are working in the office now, which is just shocking to me. But I think, as time goes on, I think people will be looking at maybe a single job versus three jobs. With that flexibility I think maybe hopefully we get back to that eight to five or that feeling that we can go back in the office. I think there's some factors that come into play there.

Speaker 3 22:20

Honda employs nearly 16,000 Buckeyes in our state, most of which we're blessed that are located here in our community, in our county. Honda will continue to grow, it'll continue to evolve. The operations in Ohio are their number one assets in North America. So I think this, you know, marysville is the home base in a lot of ways for Honda. Of course they have major assets throughout North America, including California where they started. But they've been here for 45 plus years now, 46 now, you know, building motorcycles starting in 1979, cars in 1982. But Honda is always going to continue to be an impact and they've done so much for our community.

Speaker 3 23:08

I think sometimes, going back to that comment, we take Honda for granted, take our large employers for granted. We think they're always going to be there, but us not providing the workers for them, us not providing the workers for Intel, us not providing workers for Ohio Health or anything else. I mean I think that's a huge concern as we move forward. So that's when housing comes back into play in this conversation and say, okay, how are we providing the workers for these companies and how can we help them grow and develop as well?

Speaker 3 23:40

And a few months ago I looked up and I don't know what the stat is now. We had 600 unfilled engineering positions in the county. That's a high number. We already have 2,700 jobs, engineering jobs but you still have 600 that are unfilled right now. That's kind of scary when you see that stat. So how do we provide more engineers? You know right now that that's kind of scary when you see that stat. So how do we provide more engineers? You know an engineering issue I think we got to get to the females, got to get the to the girls at a younger age, because I think that's an untapped population for future engineers, and so I think that's an opportunity too. But but Honda has done so much for our community. They continue to be a leader. They are Ohio's first, first Intel, and so on and so on, and sometimes we forget that as well. But we are blessed to have Honda located here in Ohio for certain.

Speaker 2 24:29

Do they have plans to expand specifically?

Speaker 3 24:33

Well, they're retooling their plant here in Marysville. Originally it was going to be an EV plant but the retooling, I think, is about a billion-dollar investment, so that they're looking at multiple plants. It goes in tandem with the $3.5 billion they're investing in the battery plant with LG down in Fayette County. The retooling of the Marysville Auto Plant will be very versatile. Now it will be able to do EV, electric, ice, internal combustible engine, what we currently drive mostly hydrogen cell and hybrid so it'll be able to do four different types of vehicles in that line. It'll be a very versatile line where they can switch back and forth based upon market needs. Wow, step as you look, but EVs will be here eventually. Honda is doubling down on EV and also hybrid as they move forward. I think that's where the evolution will go of what we drive. But I think hybrid makes a more logical step now to get to the EV.

Speaker 2 25:51

What would you say you really want to focus on for 2025 as far as helping the community understand development?

Speaker 4 26:01

And Eric, I guess I'll add to these issues with housing and obviously keeping us competitive. What is the future for Ohio if we don't address some of these issues?

Honda's Impact on Union County

Speaker 3 26:16

Yeah, that's a good question. I think we have to continue to try to inform the public of the impacts of decisions in which we make. Just saying no to a housing development doesn't mean that we're not going to still have the demand for housing because of the job opportunities that are here, whether it's existing job opportunities or future companies that will locate here with job opportunities. So I think we have to continue to get to the public and inform them that there's more information here that you need to understand before just saying no to development and growth stand before just saying no to development and growth. There's also this feeling that if you have a development, the road improvement should happen as soon as the development happens. Well, the problem with that is it doesn't work that way because as growth happens, typically infrastructure, water and sewer is there and we do improvements at the site. But from a regional network standpoint, that requires planning 10, 20, 30 years out. So in some cases you're going to have growth, you're going to have some traffic and we got to alleviate that through improvements that we'd make over time because we have to better understand the regional network, just not that localized impact of that development. So I think informing the public of that process is important too. I think, also talking to the synastry about if you want your retail, your restaurant options, that you also understand you need rooftops and you need to support that, and the apartment developments are not that bad because these are young professionals that are moving in there, and so I think there's this. I think a lot of this requires getting to them and a better for a better understanding From our elected leadership standpoint. You know we have a lot that are being elected based on they don't want to grow. They're kind of a no growth or a concern growth standpoint, which is good because that questions everything we're doing. But, in the same light, understand that we have a window of opportunity where we have developers knocking on our door wanting to develop. At some point that may stop, and what are we going to do there? Then we're going to go back and try to encourage that growth and development to happen as well.

Speaker 3 28:32

I think the other thing is that schools are not as impacted as we might think they are from housing development as well, and I think that's another point to be made as we look at this, and it is so imperative that we have a collaborative spirit between our triple helix as they call it in Europe. That's the private sector, of course, the government and education, all working together. So our school districts are part of the development process. They should always be part of that development process and we must work together and communicate with our schools, with our governments, our city and our townships and our counties. So everyone's working together and everyone wants theirs. And I get it, I understand it, but understand and this is another hot Ohio, ohio reference here you have to the silos have to share the corn and if the silos stay singular we will never be successful as a community. So somehow each of these entities need to share the corn and understand they have to give something up to get something bigger in some cases and in the long run we all win. And schools are part of the community just as much as you know, as a city government or a county government. So we must all find a ways to work together.

Speaker 3 29:55

Now, from a bigger perspective, ohio again. We got to make Ohio cool, cool for people to move. Here we really do, and I think we have to talk openly about why we need so much housing in Ohio. And how do we get that housing in Ohio? I think the governor in Houston was leading this up before he came center as well. There is more dialogue happening in the General Assembly about housing and the need for housing and so on, which is good. So maybe it will lead to more involvement or more maybe promoting more housing development throughout the state of Ohio, because we desperately need that housing. And so I think from an Ohio perspective we've got to find ways to tackle the issue, and I know out in some of the Midwestern states where they have not had housing developments hardly at all, that they literally give a lot of tax incentives to developers building multi or, excuse me, residential in general. So I think I'm not saying we have to do that here, but in some cases we might have to look at that to encourage more housing in our community.

Looking Ahead: Development Priorities

Speaker 3 31:07

We've got about a minute when can people if they, you know, in your community find out more about development? Yeah, I mean, we have a website growunicountyohiocom. You're welcome to go there. We do have a newsletter. You can sign up for the newsletter if you want to get updates on economic development in our community. You know, I think you know Ohio Economic Development Association provides some updates from a local. You know economic development throughout the state. There's another way you know Jobs Ohio has done a great job. They have a website talks about the incentives. You can really learn a lot through the Jobs Ohio website as well If you want to learn about economic development, why it's important to the community.

Speaker 3 31:42

And then one Columbus has a great job from a regional economic development standpoint. But there's a lot of ways to learn and understand economic development, because a lot of people don't fully understand how it all works and I view us as the condo in the community where we try to get everyone around the table and then we can share share the corn or share the resources, however you want to put it and we can make bigger things happen. And that's kind of how I look at economic development and I think that's a way that we can do it, but, but, but, but. Reach out to your economic development folks. Reach out to your community and find out about growth and development, how you become more knowledgeable about why housing is important, why economic development is important to our future. Great.

Speaker 2 32:18

Well, I want to thank you so much for joining us and sharing the growth that's going on in Union County.

Speaker 3 32:25

Well, fantastic. Thank you very much for the time. Appreciate the interest.

Speaker 4 32:29

Thanks, eric, thank you.

Speaker 1 32:32

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