THE WAY FAM

Kauai

March 02, 2019 Zach & Hanna
THE WAY FAM
Kauai
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THE WAY FAM
Kauai
Mar 02, 2019
Zach & Hanna

For our five year anniversary, we went to Kauai, without kids. It was such a beautiful place, and we had such a nice time. But it was weird and it took some time to actually just stop and relax. We were removed from our normal life and we weren’t distracted by business and work and all the things that go on. 

We used to travel a lot, but not so much anymore. In this episode, we talk about the difference between experiencing a new thing and documenting them and how our mindset has shifted. We want to remember things how they were and not a staged or perfected version of our memories. 

Han’s Recommendations:
Kauai Guide Book
Dark Chocolate Sunflower See Butter Cups
Sumo Oranges

Zach’s Recommendations:
Digital Minimalism
Blinkist App
Screen Time Restrictions
Valley of Vision
Reset to Zero

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Show Notes Transcript

For our five year anniversary, we went to Kauai, without kids. It was such a beautiful place, and we had such a nice time. But it was weird and it took some time to actually just stop and relax. We were removed from our normal life and we weren’t distracted by business and work and all the things that go on. 

We used to travel a lot, but not so much anymore. In this episode, we talk about the difference between experiencing a new thing and documenting them and how our mindset has shifted. We want to remember things how they were and not a staged or perfected version of our memories. 

Han’s Recommendations:
Kauai Guide Book
Dark Chocolate Sunflower See Butter Cups
Sumo Oranges

Zach’s Recommendations:
Digital Minimalism
Blinkist App
Screen Time Restrictions
Valley of Vision
Reset to Zero

We would love to hear from you!!!
Leave us a voicemail at 1(805) 242-6559
Follow us on Instagram!
Like us on Facebook

If you have questions or suggestions or jokes or ideas, ask us or email us at [email protected] 

we love ya!! 
xoxo






 







Support the show (https://www.buymeacoff.ee/thewayfam)

Speaker 1:

Okay. Hello and welcome to the way family podcast. Today we're going to be talking about our little vacation to Hawaii for a five year anniversary as recommended by someone on Instagram who I forgot your name, so I'm sorry. I apologize. Let me not you.

Speaker 2:

Oh,

Speaker 1:

but coincidentally it was your idea to talk about this. Yeah, it was, that's why I was wondering. You were trying to make fun of me or something. No, I do that enough. Yeah, that's true. And that you make fun of me equally. Yeah. What is the main thing you make fun of me for doing? Uh, I don't know. There's just like so many little things. It's not like one main thing. Yeah. I don't think I have one main thing for you, but you definitely have one main thing for me. Oh, and what is it? Masses and how messy and spilly am. Oh, well you, yeah, you are messing Marvin. Yeah. What else is kind of a pain point for you? You can't joke about it too much. No, I'm not talking about messes like not being as clean as you. I'm s I'm talking about billing, billing and like dropping things like that. Yeah. You do spill on yourself. You're like a toddler. What else do you make fun of me for? Um, no. How many things? It seems like you have something else in mind. No, I can't really think of it, but I know that there's like a lot of things we always do. The like, well I guess you can't see it, but it's like a rat face is the face that tide is always makes. And then we used to each other. It's so funny because I used to, well, I still make fun of Titus like all the time. It's just like a fun thing to do. Yeah. And then that was always his reaction, so all right. Yeah. Sorry, the red face, you know what I mean? If, you know what I mean? Poked me on Facebook. Actually. I don't think you can poke people on Facebook anymore. Oh yeah. Um, so we went to Hawaii for our five year anniversary guys, prized Hannah. We talked about it on the podcast beforehand and um, we had this awesome airbnb. I booked the flights, we flew Hawaiian direct flight from lax to direct flight. Where would you start? Well a lot of the flight stuff on the big island and then you have to get all island hopper plane. Yeah. Well I thought you, yeah. Okay. Nevermind. I guess that makes sense. We also are on the west coast. So for some people direct flight is like uh oh that's a cool thing. Yeah. But it did seem longer of a flight than it actually was.

Speaker 3:

Oh my gosh. The flight there was really long. We thought it was going to be like four or five hours, like in between there, but it was six hours long and it was, we were just not prepared for a six hour flight and it was so like, it felt like it dragged on. But they gave us food like a little breakfast meal and snacks and obviously like drinks and stuff. So I mean that was nice. But yeah, it was a long time. I got, I did, I made a bunch of um, graphics on my phone for work cause they didn't have wifi or anything on there. So like you couldn't really watch anything or do anything else like on the Internet. So I just made a bunch of graphics in the APP over and I mean he was pretty productive, but

Speaker 1:

six hours is a long time for me to be sitting and I have no cushion. Like no, just padding, no padding. There was no the small but no muscles there. There's no fat there. It's just my bone on the seat, bones and skin. And I have a standing desk at work so I never sit down for that long.

Speaker 3:

And when you're sitting down like that and you have like just a little bit of leg room and

Speaker 1:

yeah, it, it gets uncomfortable. I mean everybody who has been enough on a plane, nose. Yeah. I just feel like this is worse for, you know, I just feel like we're getting old because it was such a big deal. Yeah. We're like, oh, like our butts need to reinflate which is like such an old person thing. Like before the, on our honeymoon at the flight was way longer, but we had, okay,

Speaker 3:

a seat between us. We could lay down and we took turns sleeping. Yeah. That was like what? It was like 11 hours or something when we flew to Washington DC and then it was like 11 hours across the pond there.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. Yeah. Well that was not across the pond. We did actually fly across the pond though, honey. We'll ponder. Are we talking about, we flew across the Atlantic Ocean. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what they say. They say across the pond. The that's from England to that's, is that it? No, it's still Atlantic. You're probably right. You know more. I'm pretty sure. I don't think the Atlantic is called the pond. Okay. Either way. This is the most boring conversation over here, so we got to Hawaii, Hawaii, and it was so beautiful. It was a really good week. My favorite parts were basically just

Speaker 3:

not having an agenda, not having any work to do or anything. Neither of US brought work stuff. Neither of us were planning on working on anything work related because we didn't want to and we were also like not going to be on our phones much and we just didn't have a schedule and like places to be at certain times and it was just very relaxing to not have an agenda. But anyways, sorry, backtracking a little bit. When we got there we went to Costco. Okay. So that was our first up because after the rental car place really did not plan this out. Like we got the guide book of like things that we wanted to do and I told Hannah I just want to go snorkeling and I want to sit on the beach and I want to read a book. Those were the three things that I wanted to do and relax obviously. And Hannah had like a list of things that she wanted to do. I didn't have a list. I had the same amount of things that you would oh, okay. Besides just like eat good food and like hang out at the beat. Your had a lot of food things that you want. Yeah, but that's its own category. That's like one point on the list and then there are sub points, but that doesn't count as like a whole list. Okay. I just had like things that I wanted to see. Just two things that I wanted to see. I also was like, yeah, it'd be cool if we could see turtles didn't really care about snorkeling. I did want to go on a hike, which we didn't get to do. Um, but I didn't, it wasn't, I dunno, it wasn't a ton of things. It's just like I had seen this, the guidebook then it was a really good guide book. I'm going to link it in the show notes because it was really helpful. They also have an APP for the same guide book. Yeah. It's really helpful. And it's funny and like the guy is, I don't know, it's just easy to read. Like it's not boring and it's like from a local. So, um, and they tell you like where the best shave ice is and where to get the best like pokey and I don't know, all this stuff like secret hikes. What's the best company to go with if you're going to do a boat tour or a helicopter tour and they tell you like, why, you know, they're like, well this guy, sometimes we'll just cancel on you last minute or whatever. So, and the book was really helpful. Explain what Poky is because I did not know. Oh well it is raw fish. It's basically like Sushi without, it's like Sashimi kind of I guess, but it's just cutting like cubes and um, I don't like a Sushi bowl. I don't know if they have to be, if it has to be tuna, but the only kinds we had was like Ahi tuna and I think just regular tuna. But sometimes they mix it with like a sauce. Sometimes it's just plain and it's usually on rice. Sometimes they have like seaweed in there and cucumbers, whatever. But the, we ate that like three times and the best stuff that we got was from back corner of like a grocery store, like a really small grocery store at the Deli. And that's where the best pokey was at like three different grocery stores. What was the grocery store called? Do you remember? The one with the best one was by Waimea Canyon and it was called Ishihara as market. Uh, and yeah, and that was the first one that we had to, I had this really good sauce on it, so raw fish, rice, and then sometimes they have a sauce and sometimes there's like green onions in there, but it's so good. Like so good and actually found, yeah,

Speaker 4:

something about each other to what is Hannah is talking about food. Her part of her vacation experience is about 50% food.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, that's what I would say. I mean maybe not 50%, I don't know. But a lot of what I look forward to when I visit a new place is trying the food from there. Like my mom is a chef, like I grew up with a chef for a mom, so it's kind of ingrained in me. But I love trying food and I love having good food. I mean, who doesn't love hacking food? But you know what I mean? Like when we go somewhere new, I like to eat the food of the land. And that is a big part of the experience for me with traveling. So when Zach was like, let's go to Costco and just get groceries for food, I was like, are you kidding me? Like at first I was grumpy about it, but then we decided we're just going to do like lunch and breakfast stuff so that we could have a little bit more money to have nicer dinners and I ended up being really good and it was fine because we usually like slept in, well some days we slept in. It was nice to just have like oatmeal or like a little smoothie or those perfect bars. So I mean I guess I recommend that if you're traveling, but I think

Speaker 4:

definitely saves a lot of money.

Speaker 3:

Well yeah it does

Speaker 4:

strip very cheap. Yeah. Um, so it's actually like, I was very, very surprised at how expensive it is to do like a week in Hawaii if I probably in any of the islands. Yeah. Because the food is expensive and then if you want to do any activities like that costs money obviously. And it just all piles up and staying there is, well, I mean, yeah, paying for hotels or Airbnbs is just expensive. Like there was a literally cargo van for 120 bucks a night.

Speaker 3:

It's like a hotel room. Like that's like the price of a hotel room. Like a mid level hotel room. Yeah.

Speaker 4:

So we got lucky, I booked um, in, um, I booked in November, the AIRBNB got flights in December and our flights were $600 round trip for both of us. So 300 bucks each and we're just fine from [inaudible].

Speaker 3:

I like, like we just flew from La. Like it's not like we're flying from like the middle of the country, anything. So I mean, I feel like it was the closest distance we could get, you know? Yeah. But I still think that's really good though. 300 round trip per person.

Speaker 4:

Yeah. Because right now it's, um, during like the on, I dunno, I dunno if there's on and off seasons, but yeah, there is because of the time that we went, um, and we booked, I booked farther in advance. It was a lot cheaper and if we would have gotten the tickets like even a week before, it would have been 1400 bucks over double what we paid. And same thing with Airbnb, like there's a discount for booking a certain amount of weeks out

Speaker 3:

and we went in like what's apparently the rainy season too, you know, like it is the off season. February was is considered the off season for Kohai. So I think maybe that's partly why

Speaker 4:

with the airbnb too. Yeah, it's like the stormy weather season. It, it rained everyday that we were there. There was only one day where it was like raining consistently.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it was, it would it be like, it would rain for like five minutes and that might stop it and the sun would come out. But like the weather app would say expect rain today. And then you're like, oh, okay, so it's going to be rainy all day. No, no, just for five minutes. Yeah. And then like five minutes later. But

Speaker 4:

so tell them about our little cottage.

Speaker 3:

Well wait, can we just continue the thought we were already talking about how like we tried, we were trying to do this as affordably as possible. Well and because this is not something that we do, you know, like we don't take trips like this. I Dunno like we don't, we just like we've never done that besides her honeymoon. You know, like I went with you to Nashville but that was for work and I mean we had so much fun still, but that was like your work trip and I just tagged along so we don't do stuff like this. Like just traveling for fun. So this was, it was like a really big deal, but we still needed to, you know, like save as much money as we could and like do it as affordably as possible while still like experiencing it.

Speaker 4:

Yeah. Cause we had, I got cash and we had 300 bucks for dinners in cash when we went over that. But still like it was like, it was a big deal

Speaker 3:

for us because I mean,

Speaker 4:

when you've got two kids and you've got a dog, like we had to pay for a dog sitter and then we're still obviously paying rant and

Speaker 3:

insurance and everything like kind of piles up and every like normal person knows this. Like I feel like there's certain people on Instagram that literally like every month or like off to some new big grand adventure in some foreign land or whatever. And that's like, okay, that's, that is a different, that's a different level then like what we're doing, you know, cause we do have all these expenses and we don't get to travel much. So this is like a really big deal for us. And it was really like important, I mean for our anniversary, but also like, yeah, we want it to do it as affordably as possible. It was

Speaker 4:

very needed break and rest. And we've, uh, we've been focusing on implementing sabbath and we, we needed it. Like we needed it for our marriage and our sanity and the good parents. And

Speaker 3:

it was like a honeymoon 2.0 yeah. It was so fun. Okay. Anyways, so we got off the plane, we went to Costco. Hannah was frustrated at me. Yeah, I was a little grumpy because I was like, I want to get lunch somewhere. And it's like we are, it's a lunchtime and we're not even going to get Hawaiian lunch. No, we got Costco Pizza. We had cosco pizza for lunch. It was so good. That was starving. And then we went around Costco, got a couple things. Not too many things. It was like, okay, we're only going to be here for one week. So we sag was like, oh, am I going to get this beer? I'm like, no, you're not going to drink 24 beers in a week. Um, so he got like naked juice. We got perfect bars, which if you don't, if you haven't tried perfect bars, they're so good. The peanut butter ones are so good. Only buy them at Costco though. They're so expensive. They're like $3 a bar anywhere else. But at Costco it like comes out to like a dollar something to bar. But anyways, they're really good and they fill me up and they're like, good for breakfast or snack or anything. What else did we get? We got that flax seed. Oatmeal. Yeah, we got oatmeal and then later at a normal store we got um, peppers and Turkey and um, like Romaine lettuce. So we could have lettuce wraps because it's like an easy healthy lunch and chips. If I'm having like any sort of sandwich, I have to have chips. Like I need something crunchy to go with like the mushy sandwich. Not like, not like sandwiches are mushy, but you know like the texture. I just need crunchy and Forrest is the same way. He'll like come to me and be like, mom, I wonder where he got, I need something crunchy. And I was like, you were so my son. But he craves crunchy things sometimes. Like it's not even like a certain food, it's just like crunch. So anyways, yeah. Just so you just got some breakfast and lunch stuff. Easy like instant oatmeal, literally instant oatmeal. But it's a really, really good um, and stuff for lunch. And then we got water too, cause we didn't know if we didn't know like what the water situation was like at the house. So we just got

Speaker 4:

that we were drinking enough water because Hannah has a water drinking problem as in she doesn't drink it enough. I don't, I hate water. And so, and I normally have alkaline, um, powder in my water every morning and every night and I didn't bring it so

Speaker 3:

I did pack it for you. But anyways, we got the water. Yeah. That's also what we got. So we did that. We went to Costco, then we went, it was like finally time to check in or airbnb. So we went there and like just unpacked a little bit, got settled, relaxed for a little bit. And then,

Speaker 4:

or the airbnb was very small, so tiny, but it was more like a studio. It was so perfect. And the reason that I booked this was it had stand up paddle boards, kayaks. I didn't know about the snorkeling gear and bikes

Speaker 3:

and they had coolers yet. They had beach chairs, atlas sand mats, like the, um, grass mats. So you can use that instead of towels. They had like everything there and we didn't even know about like 80% of the stuff that they had. It's just like they really set you up for success there and it was right on a river. It was less than like a block from the beach and it was like the yard that I was in, they had like a couple different houses that were all part of this airbnb, but they're like separate houses and it was like a botanical garden surrounded like the yard was. It was so beautiful

Speaker 4:

story while we were there, there was other people, cause there's quite a few, there's maybe like three other like cottages there and there was this, I'm guessing Midwestern sad, possibly southern. We can't tell all the time. I didn't hear her. Definitely a tourist. Yes. Obviously pasty tourist. And there was these orchids that were growing out of this tree, like there was moss on the tree,

Speaker 3:

just like naturally growing. They're like, nobody planted them on the tree. They like, it happened. It grew like that. Anyways, how do you know that? Oh, I guess I don't know that, but it was still amazing. It was like orchids, the wild, like not in a pot that you find at trader Joe's. Right and there those take a freaking long time to grow and they their last $10 like if you buy one at the store it's like $15 for like a single or kid. Yeah. Anyways, anyways, this lady was walking around and I went outside and I was just admiring the botanical garden view and she's got, she's, what do you call it when you're like holding something tight when you're like clutching? Yeah, she's clutching onto all of these flowers that she's just picking off from the yard and the yard. She picked like six orchids and I was like, what are you doing? I all like, I almost was just like, excuse me. That's really rude like, but I knew I wouldn't say it that nice so I didn't say anything, but the thing is I was going to do with them. That's what I want to know because you can't take any leaves or flowers outside of Hawaii. They make you throw them away. At the airport, you have to go through this special thing just got there too. I know, that's what I'm saying. So it's not like you're going to dry them and bring them home. Like what are you, why are you doing this? Well so you can bring it into your room and watch them die slowly. Yeah. Over the course of a day. Why don't you just go outside and look at them? Yeah. You pasty American. Well anyways that was annoying. But the AIRBNB was a really good location and it was close to a whole bunch of stuff. We went paddle boarding, we went kayaking. Zach went paddle boarding like every night pretty much like every evening before it got dark to watch the sunset. It was awesome. We watched the sun rise, we were on the east side and I've never seen a sunrise over the ocean before ever. So that was kind of cool cause it's, I'm, I've only seen sunsets so I was like, man, we went on a bike ride. It was just like, I don't know if there was a lot, there's a lot of fun stuff. And then so like a farmer's market and those croissants. Okay. We have to tell you about these croissants. There's like just a croissant stand at the farmer's market and they had all these different kinds and I got one that had a ham and cheese and passion fruit jam and Zack got one that was what was yours? Turkey and Swiss and Avocado. Yes. There were so good. It was like a sandwich inside, like baked inside a croissant that they're just like so good. They just have so much good food there. I love the food. Oh, oh gosh. I feel like I could just talk about food for so long but you could. There is this place that we went, that was probably the fancy place, the one by the beach at the resort at the that we went to with where the Burger. The Burger. Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Most of the time when we went to these restaurants we were like, we do not belong here because it's all these old people who are super rich and then there's just lowly old us in like this. I brought one pair of shorts, I was wearing the same pair of shorts to the entire time in the same two shirts

Speaker 3:

and uh, yeah, we always felt like out of place. So one of the nights we took turns picking dinner places cause usually I would always just be the one to pick it. And then I was like, no, I'm going to make him do some of the work too because I don't value food as much as I know it's not part of the experience. But I wanted you to like plan the date for that night anyways. He, you picked really good places. So good job. Um, the first place that he chose was this restaurant called oasis and it was like you had to like go through a resort to get there. Like this really fancy hotel. It was like right on the beach and the restaurant was like, they literally overlooking a river. That's how fancy it was. Can I talk now? Anyways, the restaurant was like open, like there wasn't any walls. I don't know how to explain it. Like there, you're just like the restaurant was open and then there's the beach right there. Anyways, it's just like this farm to table, local everything restaurant. And it was like super fancy and there was all these old people that were like staying at the resort that were there and like having their fancy foods and telling their fancy stories and wearing their members only jacket and um, and then there was us so we were just like making fools of ourselves. But we had so much fun.

Speaker 1:

We were laughing like the whole time and all of these people were like, well anyways, actually let me tell a story. There was this guy old dude, not this makes you sound so judgy. Not like, okay, well I am so sorry. Not Sorry. Gives people a peek into who you are. This is my burden to bear. Okay, go on. It is kind of fun though. Like I do have a problem use dropping and I have a problem judging and it's not like I think bad about these people. It's just like, okay, like the same reason you watch Portlandia. That's me with normal people. Okay, go on. Um, well there was this guy and the waitress was explaining him like all of the fresh fish and she's like, okay. She was like, Oh yeah, and this is the, our fresh fish. We just got it like fresh catch of the day and we just got it, you know, it was delivered a couple hours ago or whatever. And he's looking at the menu and he's asking her about all this stuff

Speaker 3:

and then, sorry, go on. And then, um,

Speaker 1:

she like tells him everything that he needs to know and he was basically just waiting to tell her about this restaurant that he went to his and said, oh, well we were just in Monterey last week and they are so local that they had the distance from where they got the fish from on the menu. And I was just thinking to myself like,

Speaker 3:

cool,

Speaker 1:

do you know you're on an island? Like how far do you think the fish could have come from that? And he, because he recommended to the waitress that they put the distance, they got the fish from us. Like this is a very small island. You can drive around the whole thing in one day. Okay. How far do you think that the fish came from? If it's all local and you're on an island,

Speaker 3:

but it's just like, boy, the boy is very large. So you never know. I obviously you got to know these things before you can eat the fish, but you guys know the episode of Portlandia when they're there, like this farm to table restaurant and she's like this, the lady with the curly hair is like, um, okay, I'm thinking about having the chicken, but I would like to know some information about him first. And they're like, sure, we will hand you your chickens file and give them the file by the chicken about like the farm. And she's like, um, did it have many friends? And then it's like the waitress going to the phone. Yeah. So that reminded me of that. But anyways, back to the whole story we got, um, the whole best part of that whole meal was Zach's food. He is also way better chooser than me. Like I liked his meal more than mine. Like probably eight out of 10 times I would say. But this one was like the best by far. He got um, you tell them what you got. I forgot, I forgot what it was called. It was a burger and it had like, um, those crunchy little onions and bacon jam. That is the star of the show here. What else was on there? Something sweet to that was the bacon jam? No, that was something different. Um, the bacon jam was what was sweet on there, but the bacon jam tasted like Ma like bacon dipped and maple syrup and it was like on this burger and I think there was like cheese and it was supposed to come with the [inaudible], which I think it'd be really good with a roux glove, but Zach doesn't like it so he didn't have it on. It's just like a silver good burger, but it adds a peppery fleet, like an a peppery aspect. I don't like that. I think it's good in some, in some time sometimes. But anyways, the Burger was so, so good. I got this like salad this cause I was like, okay. I've had like raw fish and like fried foods all week. I need to get a salad or something cause I feel, so I got this Chard Kale Salad and had like this brewery. Yeah. I was like, it was like Chard, but I mean it was fine. It was just wasn't like the Bacon Jam Burger. It literally changed my life. Like we're going to make bacon jam. Like how do you make this? And then I looked up a recipe and we wrote down what she said we're going to make it were, it was so good that I texted my family about it. My, all of my family. Yeah, it was very good. And then I picked another really good place. What was it called? Um, burger straight. Burger street. Burger's not a, it was a sit down restaurant. It was not if it would track, which is what I would have thought, but it was a really cool trendy Burger restaurant and it's like a cool bar, like we said at the bar. And they have all of these like Hawaiian local breweries that they have on tap. And it was pretty, it was pretty good. Yeah, that was really good too. And then after our time at the Airbnb, well we saw like Waimea Canyon and like the start of the Nepali coast, we went up to Honnalei Bay and we saw queens bath and we hung out a little bit at this weird resort. It wasn't weird, it was beautiful, but I really had to convince Hannah to go to down to queen's Beth with me, uh, because a girl died therefore weeks ago, just as like, it's one of those places where it's like really dangerous in the winter and like if you go in the water, well we know what he was planning on going in the water, but like there is waves that come up on the thing. The waves were just so angry and so huge. Like I don't even think I've ever seen waves that big. And it was like so much going on. It was still windy. It started raining when you're down there. It was really fun and Super Beautiful. But after that it was just like raining and we didn't really know what to do. So we went to this resort cause we were looking for this coffee shop. The coffee shop was not open, but the resort was like right on the bay and it was so beautiful and fancy town resort for sure. Um, and then we went snorkeling like a couple of different times. When did the secret beach that one of the locals told us about it was very hard to find very secret. We, we um, went to this coffee

Speaker 4:

shop and we were hearing some people talking and I was like, all right, we got to find a church to go to. Um, cause I want to go to a church while we're on vacation here. And like all of them seemed really weird and I was just like

Speaker 3:

based on Yelp, like we didn't really know anything. Yeah. And there is people talking about a church and so I just asked them and it was the pastor and the pastor of the church that we ended up going to and the church was in a coffee shop, like just in a coffee shop. And it was really small, like not a lot of people. And

Speaker 4:

it was cool and small world. The person whose photography they had all over the coffee shop with someone who went to our college. Anyways, that pastor guy is the one who recommended this. The secret beach.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. But he told me, he's like, oh this is the name of the beach but I'll have to tell you later how to get there cause he got to go through this gate and blah blah blah. And I was like, okay. But then we never got like the directions later. So we were like trying to figure it out on our own. We were just like walking up to this road and it was super hot and we're like, where's his stinging beach? But then we've, we finally found the little area and we had to go through like this tunnel of like tree roots to get there. It was crazy. It was really, really beautiful and really secluded. And it's fun.

Speaker 4:

I swimming, Hannah does not like being left at when a wave topples churro.

Speaker 3:

Oh my gosh. It was like fun. You know, we're having fun with the waves, whatever. And we were swimming in the ocean and I never swim in the ocean here cause it says, I don't know, I don't, we live like 15 minutes from the beach but I never swim here. So it was like swimming in the ocean is not like a common thing for me. I grew up in Minnesota for the first 16 years of my life in Minnesota. Girl. Yeah. And I just don't swim in the ocean. I can swim really well in a pool and a lake. I'm really good at lake swimming anyways. That's all some money because it's not, there's no waves. That's what I'm saying. That's why it's funny. Don't, this is not funny to make fun of. Okay so don't, I just said I just learned that anyways, we're swimming and like one of the waves like kind of got me and I was like, oh ha, that's funny. I felt dumb. I feel like I should be on Kook slams. And then another one like really got me bad. Like I was like under water for like a long time and I, I could, I didn't know which way was up and I was like really, really scary. And I got up and he was laughing at me and, and then there was like another wave coming and he's like, it's going to catch you. And he was making fun of me and I was like, this is not funny. I do not want to be out here with you anymore. And then I went in and I laid down and I was grumpy for a while because that was mean. Yeah. And I got messages from people on Instagram that said they knew somebody who got paralyzed at that beach and someone else like broke their collarbone on that beach and then another person drowned. So just saying that's like a local's beach. It's not just like a little like wading pool. It's like large waves. So anyways, that was fun. And we went snorkeling and couple of other times and that was really fun. I liked snorkeling a lot. We got to see some fisheries and then we were staying in a resort for one night, the Sheraton and we did like the whole pool service, like poolside service got like appetizers and drinks by the pool. It was just really,

Speaker 4:

I used points, um, because we stay at the Marriott for work and so I opened like a Marriott account. Ranks up the points. Yeah. So I rack up the points, um, because they have an executive lounge and we have to have business guests come visit anyways. So, um, I used my points and I got this hotel for like 120 bucks or, well it's not hotel, it's a resort. It's like,

Speaker 3:

and the timeshare, the room that we stayed in was a timeshare, had like a little kitchen. We were the first ones ever to stay in the room and the rooms are $600 a night, 660 and we got it for like a hundred bucks. And that is another place where we're like, wait, this is not our people. Like please don't kick us out. We actually have, Dang here. We really, our guests, we didn't sneak in. That was really fun. Now again, like laying by the pool and getting like the pool side drinks was so fun. I've literally always wanted home alone. Yeah. I've always wanted to like be in a pool with a drink and just like be not having to watch kids and like just not having to do anything. Just relaxing with a drink in a pool. And I did that and it was just, it was so nice. That was really fun. And then we left.

Speaker 4:

So did you learn anything about yourself while you were on this trip?

Speaker 3:

MMM.

Speaker 4:

Other than that, traveling is 50% experience. 50%. Yeah.

Speaker 3:

I didn't really learn anything about myself. No. The native food I just experienced got to relax and I liked that and I all, all the expectations that I had of Hawaii, we're like, it was just, it was so different than I have. Like always thought Hawaii was like, but it was just like so, so beautiful and so cool and I want to go back and it's just like so endearing. Like everybody there is so nice. Like all the people there that live there are so nice and I, I don't know, I just want to go back so bad. And when I want to take her kids to mean tourists. Yeah, that's the, that's the Turkey thing. The tourists are very bothersome. We were some of which we have, which we love some of the tourists. We, yeah, we were definitely tourists. Tourists. That's what I'm saying. Like it in a lot of Hawaii. From what I understand, it's like, I mean obviously there's a lot of tourism but then it's hard to like separate out like the tourism from what is like really there, especially when you're just visiting for a week, you know? And Yeah. But I think that quite is just, I don't know, it was very endearing and just very special. And I know that like if no matter where we would have gone, I know it would have been so fun and relaxing and I would probably want to move to that place too. But I don't know. It's just really, really fun. And I think if you ever get the chance to visit, you should take it. So what about you? Did you learn anything? I learned two things. What? Three things. One was we live in a very special place and I think that we should take advantage of it a little bit more because we went all the freaking way to [inaudible] and guess what we found? Santa Maria style barbecue restaurant tried to, and the guy was from our town. He grew up two blocks away from me and it's like people go to this restaurant, like he brought it, took a Hawaii and he's been in business for 20 years and it's been successful and that was just like, oh yeah, our home, my hometown is not a bad place. People complain as boring or whatever you complain. That is boring. I used to complain. That is boring. Boring. If you're a boring person, I think, well it's not like the town is not really what I love. I love the area. The area is not boring. The no, I don't is boring. I have no like allegiance sees to Santa Maria. I'm just talking about the central coast area. Yeah, I don't think anybody could say the central coast is boring. That's, that's ridiculous. Yeah. I love the central coast. So I learned that and then I also learn the, I just need to slow

Speaker 4:

down because this was very, very needed and it was hard for me to just like not do anything.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. It's like impossible for him to relax.

Speaker 4:

It's, yeah, it was very difficult to just like, and even some of the days I was like, I can't just sit here and like relax. Like I've got to do something. So I would go on a walk and listen to a podcast, but I also enjoy that. So I think there's like a fine line for me of like the need to always be doing something and then actually doing things that I enjoy and that are refreshing. And a lot of times when I'm stressed and when I am unaware of myself, then I don't know the difference between what is me doing something for the need to do something and what is me doing something for the purpose of enjoying and relaxing, you know?

Speaker 3:

Yeah. That's, that was something that I had up kind of figure out too. Like, well, I think we had kind of already talked about this, but like I realized that I just, I kind of stopped having hobbies for awhile because when I had like downtime I would just like do stuff for work because it's just on my phone and it's easy and I'm like, well I have five minutes to do this here. And then that turned into something else and then it was like, I don't have a hobby except work and I wasn't doing anything besides work in my free time. And I was like, that's, that doesn't seem good. So I don't know. There is a fine line, especially if it's like something that you enjoy but it is like considered work, you know? It's tricky. Yeah, it is tricky. I, I remembered something that I learned. Okay, go. I think that I'm a warm weather person now, which I've always been like, I love the rainy weather, I love the cold, but I think that a big part of that of why like love that is because I have like always been insecure about my body and I've like, I like, I like fall and winter clothes and like layering and sweaters and like basically like anything to hide my shape, you know, I've always been drawn to and then this trip I'm, maybe this is like such a dumb realization, but then this trip was so like I got to where all the fun like dresses and clothes that I never wear because it's been cold for a while here and

Speaker 4:

okay.

Speaker 3:

Was like just so fun. And I realized

Speaker 4:

like I don't really like obviously I still have insecurities about things but I just don't really care anymore. And I've like been on this journey of like, you know, figuring out my style and the capsule wardrobe thing and all that. But okay.

Speaker 3:

I just realized like I don't have to like, not like warm weather. I don't have to wear jeans when it's 90 degrees out just because I'm feeling insecure, you know, like I dunno, it was just kind of an epiphany for me. And then I also realize like I don't have to only wear skinny jeans when I'm at home, even if I'm just staying home with my kids, like I can, I can wear a dress if I want to. So I don't know cause I just, I liked dresses and it makes me feel pretty and put together and I don't know. So I'm going to do that obviously when it gets a little bit more mark, cause it was like literally 45 degrees here today and I'm like, this is not fun anymore. So that's my, that's what I learned about myself.

Speaker 4:

The last thing that I learned about myself was I want to like capture every moment. And I think part of it is because I don't remember very much about my childhood. I only have like traumatic memories. Um, and so like I'm especially like since forest was born, just like documenting everything and like making videos and taking pictures all the time. And like, so I brought my phone, I brought my iPad for the flight so I could like read books on my iPad. I brought my camera and then I brought another little video camera. And while we were there I was lying about the moment lenses. Yeah. And I brought the moment lens and while we're there I was like, okay Kayla, can you video this? Oh, I've got a video. This, oh I've got a video, I got to take a picture of this, got to do this. And by like the second day I was like, this is freaking dumb. Like, why am I doing this? Can't I just like enjoy it? Because it was always like a, all right, we're here time to take a picture of time to take a video time to do this. And I just don't want to be like that. And that just kind of silly like, and I don't want to be like an old fart who's like, Ooh, what are you taking? So many pictures. But yeah, because I know people like that and it's just like, well I want a picture. So I'm going to take a picture of my, gosh, it's like I have my phone right here, but I also don't need to be the type of person who's like, okay, this is like a good spot to take photo. And this is like, I want to just be in the moment. And it, I mean when I was packing up my backpack, I like bro, like no clothes. Like I brought three t-shirts, one long sleeve shirt, a rain jacket, one pair of jeans and one pair of shorts and wear my sandals and bra, a pair of shoes, which I never wore. Um, and so it was like that part of my life was very pared down and very minimal and but then like all of the technology and like the digital stuff was like so much. And so even where like with my physical stuff, it was not a lot, but then with like the technology and like digital stuff, it was just so much, and I had this epiphany after we got back. I mean I was a little frustrated that as like why did I bring this camera? I only took like 12 pictures on it. And why did I bring this video thing? Cause it's just, I dunno, I could've just done it all my phone or I didn't need to do it. So I was a little frustrated about that and then just stopped on the second day. But when I got back, I was listening to this podcast as the art of manliness podcast and cal Newport was on it. He wrote a book called deep work, which is really good. It's on my reading list this year, but I read it early. Um, and he just wrote a new book and he was interviewed on the art of manliness podcast and he was talking about his new book, digital minimalism and how we kind of have this idea, especially now like since the Mary, what, what's her last name? I can never say it right. Marie Kondo. Marie Kondo. Like the spark joy minimalist movement. You've got the minimalists, you've got like all of these authors and um, it is kind of like a popular thing now, but people only really do that with their physical items as such as clothing and like furniture and things like that. But their digital lives are really clogged and cluttered and it's just kind of a mess. And we spend a ton of time on her phone and technology and staring at screens and whatever, and it can really benefit us, but it oftentimes holds us back. And then I was like, oh my gosh, yes, that is exactly what happened. And I brought all this stuff because I thought that I needed it and I thought that I wanted to do it and I thought I should make a video and all of this. I Dunno. So that's when I had the epiphany after I listened to that.

Speaker 3:

That's tricky because like you said before, you're like, I want to remember this and I want to document it and have things to look back on because you don't have the best memory in the world and whatever. So that's like another fine line that's hard to find. The balance between like just like experiencing something and then like documenting it. And I like with Forrest and Forrest was little, I would like, I kind of like had this panic thing going where I was like if I don't take a video of this, like what if he does something new and I don't have a video of it or you know, like what if I didn't, if I like missed, what does that feel like? Missed like um, something like if I didn't get it on a photo of him wearing a certain outfit that someone gave him or I don't know, it just like different things like that. Like it was like this constant struggle to like be present with my kid and then like document what I wanted to remember, you know? And I think that's also how it is on vacations because it's like, okay, we don't get to do this. We like, we don't get to travel very much. We've never been here and we are on this nice trip. We don't have a thousand kids to be taken care of. So like we want to document this, but then I kind of was feeling the same way. Like at first I was like taking a whole bunch of video and I did make, I like making a video of her tip because I have a bunch of clips, but I felt like that like, oh I need to get a video of this. And like when we were driving it was like, oh this is a cool set of trees. Like I need to get this on the video. And like things like that. But then I was like, I'm not even experiencing like this, you know, like I could just look out the window and enjoy this like beautiful island. But I'm like looking at it through my screen instead. So, and like what you were saying with like how you're like, oh this is a good place to take a picture. Sorry, this was like five minutes ago, but you had like a long monologue. So I'm like, I was waiting for you to me. Oh, I didn't want to cause it's annoying when you do that to me, but oh, I just thought that was kind of one that those kind of like our thing, well I mean to an extent, but like how you're like, oh this is a really good place to take a picture. And I think that like our mindset has shifted so much with that because like yeah, we're still going to take pictures when the picture, like when it would be like a really good picture, but also at the same time I'm like, I want to remember things like how they were and not just like a perfected version of what it is. You know? Like I dunno, that's another thing that I'm kind of learning like a staged thing. Yeah. Yeah. Like okay, we need to stand right here. Like when we went to that first stop at the way Maria Canyon and I like, I didn't even like pull out my phone because it was so incredible. Like I couldn't even like, like it literally took my breath away. I was like, like Fernie does that. It's so cute. She's like, when she sees food. Okay. Anyways, but I can, I felt like it was a place that you had wanted to take like a certain photo or something. And then I was like, I just don't want to do that. Like I just want to look at this and see this and like take it in. But I dunno. I Dunno. It's a lot of fine lines to figure out. It's like a weird, I don't know. It's a weird balance but

Speaker 4:

yeah. And I think that the reason why I asked you that is I think that that is probably the most, um,

Speaker 3:

okay.

Speaker 4:

Non Guided self reflection that I have had for a long, long time. Hmm. You know, like normally I seek out like self reflection is like take this test or read this book or listening to this podcast or read this book. It a lot of reading books. Yeah. But um, this was the first time where it was like, uh Oh. Like this is part of me and I don't like it.

Speaker 2:

Uh Huh.

Speaker 3:

That's how all my epiphany's happened though. This is part of me and I don't like it.

Speaker 4:

Well I just have a list of things that like to work on. It's like, Oh yep, that's me a little bit. Oh, oh yeah, it should work on that. Oh yeah, this is bad it but it, but it is like a guided like I dunno. I Dunno if that's all right

Speaker 3:

collecting on this because you read it in a book or because you heard it on a podcast or something.

Speaker 4:

Well yeah, like I'm focusing on personal growth and like reaching out for resources and tools and books and things like that. But this, I wasn't like, I wasn't searching for any self reflection I guess. And then it happened and it was weird.

Speaker 2:

Hmm.

Speaker 4:

Because I think we were removed from our normal life just long enough to have that like

Speaker 3:

break. Yeah. We weren't distracted by like busy schedules and kids and phones and work

Speaker 4:

like you kind of like, I let my guard down a little bit.

Speaker 3:

It's like what you wouldn't normally takes like a week to process. Like if you process something and like little bits every day and then you just like get to do it all on a day because you have like this time. Yeah. It's kind of like that but yeah.

Speaker 2:

Hmm.

Speaker 4:

So anyways, um, you

Speaker 3:

have some recommendations. This is that book. Oh yes. One more thing. I've got like a whole list of recommendations. Gosh, okay. The of ice. You probably want to talk about all the shit. No, I wasn't going to give like recommendations of places we went and if you want recommendations of places, just look on my Instagram story. Well I don't know if I put all of them on there, but I saved it in a highlight. So there was like some good tags there. The, the thing that I'm recommending is the, the [inaudible] guide book that we got. It was the only one that we could find it rei. The day that Zach told me he like booked this trip and we just got it. But it's really, really good. And it's also the guidebook that they had at the airbnb and the, the guy obviously thinks that it is good too. So that I recommend that I don't know the title, but I'll have the link in the show notes. So if you're ever going there, check out that book. Um, and my other recommendation is not quite related, but trader Joe's has these dark chocolate sunflower seed butter cups and they have the consistency of a recess. Like okay, you know the dark chocolate peanut butter cups that trader Joe's has their super good, but I find that the peanut butter to chocolate ratio is off. Okay. There's way too much chocolate. I've still eat them like, like I inhale them but the, the ratio was off. Okay. The chocolate on the top is too thick and I almost always take it off just the top layer. And then it's like good. But these sunflower seed butter cups, they're like the big races, like the flat ones and it is not milk chocolate. I hate milk chocolate. It is dark chocolate with the sunflower seed butter. The perfect ratio. It is. So, so I recommend those. They're in a yellow thing. It's basically like a Reese's pack, like when you get the two pack of the Reese's cups in. But it's yellow, like bright yellow one it says, and was like a sunflower on it. There were really good. So Yup. Also sumo oranges it, they are really good, really easy to peel a really tasty, they just got them at trader Joe's also and they, it's like, it looks like a normal orange, but it's got like this little nipple on it. I don't know what else to call it, but that's what makes it easiest appeal because you can just start it right there. You can just rip the nipple on. Uh, yeah. So that's my recommendations. Um,

Speaker 4:

I recommend the book digital minimalism by Cal Newport, the APP Blinkist. Um, especially for people who like read a lot of books and you kind of want to filter through like, do I actually want to read this whole book because some of the books that I read is like, this is really good. I'm going to reread it. And some of it's like, you could have summed this up so fast. Like it's not really that much of an original thought. Like you could've just said like a paragraph and I would have gotten it. And so Blinkist is basically like an expanded thorough spark notes of the book and they have a ton of, uh, bestsellers and you can listen to him like super fast, um, or you can read them super fast. So yeah, I, I like that APP. Um, and I, if it's a book that I like, then I will obviously read the whole book, but it's kind of just a good filter. So I can spend like an hour listening to the Blinkist before spending eight hours reading the book. Okay. MMM.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

And then another one is screen time restrictions. I just went through and ahead Hanna set it up and deleted a bunch of apps. If you listened to the podcast, the art of manliness on the digital minimalism, one with cal Newport, then he talks about kind of this like phone app fast where you just delete a bunch of apps from your phone and then you reintroduce them after 30 days as needed, but you don't like redownload all of them. It's like a capsule APP. [inaudible] APP drove. I was wondering if you're going to laugh at that. Good. Um, and, uh, so I, I started doing that and it's like very nice because it's very nice and very like also like bad because I find myself like reaching for my phone just like whenever I'm bored. And then I'm like, oh yeah, that APP's not even there. Like, what am I going to do? And I'm like, well, I'm on my phone. I might as well just like, and then I'm like, my thumbs just kind of like going in a circle and I don't have anything to click. And I'm like, uh, all right, well I guess I'll put my phone away. And then I also have set it up. Um, Hannah put a password on it so I cannot use my phone and you know, from, from a certain time like it just is locked down and certain apps go off like after you've used them for a certain time. Yeah. So after I've used an APP for like 45 minutes or an hour or whatever time limit, I said, then I can't use it for the rest of the day and I need to go and ask Hannah if she could put in the passcode and I say, no, I'm just kidding. Well, I haven't done that yet.

Speaker 3:

What? I had to do a passcode that wasn't like my passcode that I have for literally everything like my bank account and my phone. So that hard and it's hard remembering that, but I can do it.

Speaker 4:

Good. And then the last one that I have, um, is, oh, I'll just do two more valley of vision. It's a collection of Puritan prayers, which I always thought of. Puritan is like those crazy people that are old and dead. Um,

Speaker 3:

oh, those are so many of those were like, you know, like Puritan, like basically Quaker, which is almost Amish. Like Bez kind of the correlation I had in my head. It's kind of how I thought of it too, I guess. And

Speaker 4:

um, and I don't like written out to prayers and I don't like rehearsed prayers. And so I was just like, this is kind of silly, but Hannah got the book like what, four years ago from your dad? Four or five years ago for Christmas last Christmas gifts ever got, and it's just a small little book and it's like all of these prayers like about specific things and it's an old English, so it's like, it's actually like pretty poetic and, and beautiful. But there's so much like wisdom and I dunno like it like really like when you're reading it is just, um, yeah, it's, it's really

Speaker 3:

good for like, yeah. Even though it's like, I don't know when those were written, but I mean from the sound of the language, probably like a hundred plus years ago. Right. And, but, and it's not the Bible, but it's like, it is just relatable because it's like it just a person's prayers or maybe not one person, maybe a collective. It's a collection of prayers, but, but it's like all really relatable. I think that's the thing that was surprising to me was that I related to it so much.

Speaker 4:

Yeah. Yeah. It's so I definitely recommend it and it's, it's in my backpack. It goes everywhere with me. And when I get a moment instead of just going on my phone, then I'll just read that. Um, and then the last one is this practice that Anna and I, I've sneak, leap and implement that. It's called the reset to zero. And it's from Courtney carver's book, um, soulful simplicity. And she kind of talks about like how every day is a fresh start. But unfortunately for a lot of people it's not really a fresh start because they have to deal with all the crap from yesterday or all the crap from last week. And if you implement this reset to zero practice, it gives you the freedom and ability to really have a fresh start and start at zero every day. So what that means is like clearing your inbox, going through all of the male cleaning, all of the dishes, putting everything away and making that just like a practice. So when you wake up in the morning, you don't have dirty dishes, you don't have emails that you need to check and catch up on. You don't have to put away your laundry, you don't like you just everything is fresh and it's a fresh start and it's a clean slate and it really does like make, at least for me, it makes waking up a lot easier because you're just like, there's nothing that I have to do. I get to do the things that I want to do and it's just, it has made my mornings a lot better and it doesn't take that much time to do in the evenings. So I started doing it like even at work, like I'll clear my inbox and clear my desk before I leave every single day. So when I come into the office, all the emails that I have, I know got to respond to those today and my desk is clear. There's not junk on it. So that's just been very nice. Cool. All right guys, we will talk at your next time with a real topic, maybe less interruptions, maybe more. I can't promise anything. Also, sorry that I'm very judgey. I'm working on it. Kind of. Okay. I'm just waiting for you to say, say your thinking when you say, hope you guys have a good week. We'll talk to you later next time. What do I say? I don't know. It's been awhile. See happy trails.