How ADR Notable Helps Mediators And Arbitrators Run Secure, Efficient Cases

This podcast conversation goes into a corner of the legal industry that quietly runs on trust, process control, and confidentiality: alternative dispute resolution. With this topic on the agenda, it's a pleasure to welcome to the Legal Tech StartUp Focus podcast, Gary Doernhoefer, founder of ADR Notable (https://www.adrnotable.com).

Gary brings the perspective of a longtime in-house counsel, to what mediators and arbitrators actually do day-to-day, and also to the question of why “case management software” built for law firm advocacy often misses the mark for neutrals. Gary talks about several important ADR-related topics: the real workflow pain, the need to schedule across multiple parties, the necessity of secure communications, the management of curated document sets, the importance of structured note-taking, and the surprisingly tricky problem of splitting invoices between parties.

In addition to discussing ADR, Gary shares candid advice for legal tech startup leaders. Here, Gary focuses on timing and product-market fit, especially when you have to spend too long explaining why buyers need the tool in the first place. 

If you care about mediation software, arbitration platforms, and ADR case management, you’ll leave this podcast episode with practical insight and a clearer lens on what “value” for ADR really means.

Transcript

AI Trends From Legal Conferences

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Before I push the play button for this Legal Tech Startup Focus podcast episode, I want to give Stephanie Wilkins of Legal Tech Hub the microphone. Stephanie is going to talk about how the conversation about AI and legal has changed from the way it sounded even just a few months ago. As Stephanie explains in more detail, the conversation around this topic has grown much more nuanced. Here's Stephanie.

SPEAKER_00 0:26

Hi, Legal Tech Startup Focused listeners. I'm Stephanie Wilkins, Director of Content at Legal Tech Hub. Much like many of you, our team is freshly back from what's been a busy start to the 2026 conference season. Both Legal Week and ABA Tech Show have come and gone, and there's a lot to unpack. The main headline is that AI has dominated conversations once again, but the nature of those conversations is genuinely changing. Most people are past the hype and into the harder questions, things like ROI, governance, shadow AI, and what anthropics moves into legal actually mean for the market. Consolidation was also on everyone's mind between a new trend of joint vendor offerings and an increased focus on integrations that are continuing to blur traditional product category lines. On the buy side, the cohort of people who're still asking whether to use Gen AI is shrinking fast. It's no longer about if, but how and how to get actual value from it. There's a lot more detail in our conference write-ups on LegalTechnologyHub.com, and we'll continue to report on industry trends as the conference calendar stretches through the year.

Meet Gary And ADR Notable

SPEAKER_02 1:46

I am very pleased, honored to have as a guest on the podcast today uh Gary Dornhaefer, a um founder, uh the founder and CEO of ADR Notable. ADR Notable might give away the the uh space in which ADR Notable works, alternative dispute resolution. So uh I was a corporate lawyer. Uh and yet I am aware of uh mediation and arbitration, if only when it came to drafting mediation and arbitration clauses in corporate agreements. Enough for me. Let me welcome Gary. Welcome. Thank you, Charlie. It's great to be here. I had the pleasure, the great pleasure of meeting Gary at the latest TLTF summit in Austin, Texas this past uh fall. Great to uh see you virtually again. Yeah, it's good to see you too.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

And it was great meeting you there. It was an amazing event, too.

Why In-House Lawyers Choose ADR

SPEAKER_02 2:40

Yeah, it's a wonderful event. Look forward to next year, I think at Scottsdale. Right. Uh so that'll that'll be coming before you know it. So, Gary, tell us a little bit about your journey into legal tech. I know you you're a lawyer. In fact, you went to my law school, University of Chicago. So we have that in common. We could reminisce about that. But we're going to focus instead on what you do, what ADR Notable does, and then get into some related topics. So tell us about you and ADR Notable.

SPEAKER_01 3:09

Well, the journey for me, uh Charlie, was because most of my career was spent as an in-house lawyer. So, you know, I graduated from University of Chicago Law School and started with Mayor Brown. He used to be Mayor Brown and Plat, uh, and in litigation, uh, actually in their Denver office, which they only had had briefly. Um shortly after that, I went in-house. I started with American Airlines, um, and then uh with Orbitz, a tech startup uh outside of the uh aviation space, and then back in the aviation industry as the general counsel for the global trade association for the airlines uh called the International Air Transport Association. But it's the in-house perspective that got me excited about ADR, uh, because when you're responsible for the budget and for outcomes, litigation uh is not a very attractive picture. Uh, you know, my my I always tell the story about uh a CEO, uh you name it, whether it's a at uh Orbitz or at uh IATA coming to me and saying, okay, Gary, we've been sued. Uh how much is it going to cost? How long is it going to take? And what's the likelihood of our winning? And you can't seriously answer any of those questions. Right. Uh you start to look for alternatives to uh to litigation that you know control can control the outcome. In some cases, uh, in some of my situations, I found my company in, my client in, preserving relationships because you resolved it in a more uh collegial way uh through mediation. Uh so it was just an interesting uh area for me because of my legal experience. And then I um I sort of completed one of the job in uh with IATA, which had me living abroad, uh, and returned to the home state where my spouse was a uh college professor in Ohio. And I started working with the faculty at the Ohio State University School of Law. And it, which, by the way, uh to my surprise, frankly, at the time, was I learned is ranked always in the top three faculties in the field of ADR in the United States, trading places with Pepperdine and Harvard. The three of them are constantly in the hunt for spot number one. And that's where I just realized there was that that one, the business process flow of being a mediator, being an arbitrator, the perspective on the dispute is very different than being an advocate on behalf of a party to the dispute. If take the most obvious example, if you're an advocate, you're in in litigation, you're worrying about doing legal research, writing uh briefs, pretrial motions, you're managing discovery, uh, you know, potentially reviewing uh tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of documents, culling them down into exhibits, uh, taking depositions, um, and so forth. You know, none of that really uh has is the same in perspective, even as an arbitrator, which is the closest analogy to a litigant. So um it just became obvious that the case management requirements for the ADR practitioner were different than the case management requirements of an advocate or a lawyer in a case, and that nobody had really addressed a product targeting the practitioner, the ADR practitioner. And that's how the concept of building ADR uh came into being.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

And and what um what is it about principally uh uh about that different perspective that has to be taken when you're uh talking about uh on the one hand, a uh a lawyer acting as a uh uh an advocate before a uh a judge and an a lawyer who's advocating a client's case to a mediator or arbitrator.

SPEAKER_01 7:11

So it, I mean, in terms of the feature set that you design for an ADR practitioner, some of it overlaps. Who are the parties, who are their counsel, how do I contact them? You know, communications is a little different because as a mediator, for instance, you can do private um communications with an individual party. Um, as an arbitrator, pretty much all communications are uh open to all parties. So you have to ensure that your internal communications portal can operate in either mode, right? Private uh ex parte in the case of a mediator and public in the case of the arbitrator. I mean, we can manage documents, but we don't manage the kind of volume that the party that a lawyer preparing the case has to worry about. Because by the time it gets to the ADR practitioner, you know, the set of relevant documents is much, it's been culled, right? And is much smaller. So we can certainly upload documents confidentially and securely and then organize them in case files. Um and then scheduling, I mean, scheduling is a nightmare for anybody who's trying to, who's in control of the process of dispute resolution. So, you know, that's the role of the media, that's the role of the arbitrator. Um, so we have technology that helps you find that half a day or full day that's open on everybody's calendar and automatically book it, whether it's in person or via Zoom or, you know, so forth. So scheduling is different, billing is different. Um, private practitioners, law lawyers almost never have the need to split the bill, their bill, between parties. Usually you can only represent a single party without a conflict of interest uh in a case, but in mediation and arbitration, you always have more than one party. Uh, so we you know designed our own uh billing module, which manages that process. And sometimes I, you know, I had a uh one of our clients call me once laughing that he he was gonna he had just taken on a uh divorce mediation that he was now anticipating was gonna be unbelievably painful because the first thing they did was to negotiate the split of his invoice 28-7 2872 percent between the parties, and it took him a week to do that. So, but in our staff, you could just set that one time in the case, and all the rest are buildings now to get split accordingly. So there's just, you know, as you move through it, and then of course, your goal, your job as the as the dispute resolution practitioner is to, if you're a mediator, is to facilitate discussion between the parties. You're not you're not trying to organize facts and and so forth in a way to present one side you know in its best light. You're there to to manage the process, understand where the parties are, help them find common ground. And if you're an arbitrator, again, you're just the recipient of briefs or um or argument, and you need to be able to track, you know, what's what is the plaintiff need uh by law, what is the requirements the plaintiff must prove in their case, and and you know, what evidence do they put on to do that? And then what is the defendant's response to that evidence and so forth. So even in the section of our product that helps you take notes, uh, you can organize that in a way where you kind of put in a column down the middle. What are the elements of proof the plaintiff's case? Take notes during the plaintiff's case on the left and notes during the defendant's case on the right, and you can see the linkages between the evidence and the proof and the required proof. Um, so it's and then last, I mean, one of the most important features, you know, the process of dispute resolution is uh practitioners are very intense about um confidentiality. I mean, the whole premise, for instance, of arbitration fails if the process is not kept confidential. People will not be open and forthcoming. They won't make offers or proffers, you know, to the other party if they think that can all come out later and be used against them. Um, and as a result, particularly mediators, but arbitrators as well, when the matter is completed, um, there is a there is a desire to uh delete the content that might be confidential. So all of your notes that a mediator or an arbitrator may take during the end or uh confidential documents that were uploaded during the proceeding, all of that for mediators goes away because they live in fear of somebody testing the confidentiality, which is generally protected by law, with a subpoena, you know, as fact. And the best defense, of course, and any any concern about protecting confidentiality or privacy is don't keep it.

SPEAKER_02 12:02

That's right. Yeah, you lawfully get rid of it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:06

Right. And you know, of course, the law firm uh products are designed the other way around to maintain your case files for long periods of time. And so ours actually facilitates the elimination of confidential information gathered during the course of the case.

Who The Platform Serves

SPEAKER_02 12:22

Now, in designing the product, um were you, and let me make sure uh uh for our listeners' sake, I get it right. Is it pitched, and maybe this goes to the question of who your your customer is, is it pitched to the decider, the arbitrator, the mediator? And when I say it, I mean ADR notable, the product. Is it pitched to the decider or is it pitched to the contesting party's council, or is it all of them?

SPEAKER_01 12:48

So initially, uh really frankly, until just recently, it was pitched entirely to the practitioner, the ADO, you know, the mediator or arbitrator. It was a tool for their use, facing them only. But one of the ingredients in that that we our clients told us they wanted was the ability to communicate outside of email, which of course is not confidential. And there is an A ABA ethics opinion that says it's not confidential. So we have recently uh released uh a little user portal for the parties where they can log in, they can text message securely with the with the um practitioner, um, and they can actually see a few things that are going on in the case. So they can, in particular, anything they owe. If there is a document, uh, so that the the um arbitrator mediator has asked for certain kinds of materials, there's a little panel that says you have an outstanding document request, and that's into the system that facilitates document transfer in a secure way. Um, or if you're there's a um digital signature document awaiting your signature, that can be in your portal. And so there's a little mini mini dashboard for the for the participant or their counsel uh to see what's kind of going on in the case. If it's an arbitration, they have access to the open filing um section, you know, where documents are filed openly for all parties to see right from that portal. But primarily, you know, it's from its origin, it's the tool for the practitioner who's running the process to use to get everything kind of under one uh in one application, you know, with our security wrapped around uh everything they do.

SPEAKER_02 14:34

And uh the um I guess a question, and I may have pointed this out to to you, Gary, when we were going back and forth a little bit on how to design the discussion today, is there the fact that it was originally designed ADR Notable to be pitched to the practitioner, as you call what I had called the decider, does that distinguish it from some of the other uh uh esteemed competitors of yours in the in the market? Or uh what is the uh how do you see ADR as a special sauce, secret sauce uh without the screen, uh when comparing yourselves to uh to what else is out there?

SPEAKER_01 15:12

Yeah, there's I mean, uh what else is uh that's out there? I mean, we we really sell against just a handful of things, right? There are fewer, a few fingers on one hand of things. The the most common thing we find in the smaller practitioner is they are cobbling together the tools that are otherwise all brought together in ours. So they're doing using some sort of software to bill, different kinds of software to do the scheduling. You know, so they've got the, you know, we called it the messy sock door approach, where you've got a bunch of applications and they don't actually talk to one another without human intervention to move data from one to the other or whatever. That's very that was very common, uh, that people were just cobbling together Excel spreadsheets and Outlook email, you know, uh folders and some sort of billing tool and so forth. So we've that we've eliminated that inefficiency, security risk, the reason to have multiple software products. Um, on the bigger, more sophisticated, you know, where we go in and start to sell to firms of arbitrators and mediators, we're almost always selling against whatever they built internally to solve problems. Um and you know, that makes sense. We didn't exist just a few years ago. As those organizations got bigger, they needed to do something. And there weren't art alternatives like ours off the shelf uh in the marketplace. So they all built, you know, built their own. So a lot of times I find myself having that, you know, the converse, first of all, the kind of Harvard Business School buy-build decision with them, right? Is this core to your business and you know, and all of that sort of thing? Um and then secondly, uh, I can't tell you how many times I hear the textbook definition of sunk cost fallacy. Sure. Gosh, Garrett, your system's great, but I can't change now because I've invested too much in my own system. Uh, and you just, you know, so you sort of shake your head and say, listen, you're paying, I mean, I've talked to firms that are paying$40,000 a month to maintain their system. That's right, to maintain it, yes. And I had one conversation with a leader of a significant firm who, you know, proudly said, I've had two on on full-time software developers on staff for a couple of years, and I just added a third. So he said, and and you know, repeated the sump cost fallacy. And I just, and he was apologetic that he wasn't gonna you know convert over to ADR notable. And I wrote him back and said, You don't have to apologize to me. I'm gonna be selling to your competitors for the price of one of your software developers. Indeed.

From Solo Neutrals To Courts

SPEAKER_02 17:51

And and is is this uh tool uh uh available? Well, available is really the not the right word. Is it is it suitable for the and I'll make the distinction between the commercial side of practice with institutions and enterprises and the like, uh, whether the um the lawyers are small to medium size or large law firms, big law law firms or not, as opposed to the retail side, the mom and pop arbitrations and and and I don't say that disparagingly at all, mom and pop uh arbitrations and mediations, is it usable and do you find it used in both spheres?

SPEAKER_01 18:31

Yeah, that's a great question. In fact, I mean I as I got into this, I hadn't really thought about how the whole uh market played out. Certainly I now know. And we designed it with a set of tools that were intended for the individual mediator or arbitrator at the delivery point of uh the services. So there are things, even like I mentioned, structured ways to take your notes in real time. It's very efficient, very convenient, and it and it gives you a nice case map, whether you're a mediator or an arbitrator or an ombudsman, uh, you know, anybody resolving conflict. Then as we grew, we started at layering in the more um firm management type product or features. So, you know, data reporting is an obvious example. Like you could extract the data out at the end of the year, you can see what kinds of cases came in, how many hours on average you spent on them, and how much you earned on various kinds of cases. We have just we're about to release a very sophisticated panel management. So if you're an organization that's got 500 neutrals in your panel, and you get a call from a client, and they need uh they need a three arbitration panel, they want expertise, they want at least one lawyer uh arbitrator, one professional from the industry, maybe a former contract construction contractor, a third. Um, you know, you need to be able to very quickly go into your roster, sort and and find those people. Maybe there's a regional requirement, you want them all in a particular part of the country, um, or you're going to do it online and you want somebody who's sophisticated handling it online. So you keep all those characteristics about your panel members on file, and then you give the, you, you create a system where you can sort and identify those. You can do a rapid conflicts check with the known parties in the case, and and you can maybe even check against their schedule. So you don't offer the party who needs these people somebody who just is too booked up to be to serve the need. And then, you know, the process for arbitration and mediation is to proffer a you know a short list and let the parties resolve that uh off the short list. So panel management, and then on the back end of that, of course, you may have some agreed compensation split with that panel member where they keep you know 75% of their billing out of it or whatever. So you want to be able to generate um, and we could do this already, we can generate uh commission and compensation reports off your panel. And so, yeah, we we started with the you know, the the the tools for the individual, and then we grew it into a product that is now managing firms and and court per court processes, right? So a lot of courts manage a mediation program to try and take pressure off the uh the dockets, which are always you know way behind these days. And the mediation programs work very well. And the one we work with, I know they they resolve more than 75% of the cases that are uh sent to them. And you know, that's that's great stuff for a for a local courthouse that takes 4,000 cases off their docket, you know, in a broken.

SPEAKER_02 21:55

Yeah, they love that, of course. Um, yeah, I I I um even as a corporate lawyer appreciated the fact that uh litigation as someone once described uh it to me is um it's Russian roulette with a fully loaded revolver. Uh no matter no matter what happens, somebody's brains get blown out. Um and it perhaps everybody's brains in one form or another gets blown out uh as a result of the litigation.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

You know, just as an anecdote, but when I was in-house counsel at American Airlines on major cases, we we actually did the the almost like the TV show Bull, we did jury studies where we would recruit people in the same way the courthouse recruited jurors, whether voting rolls or whatever. We would bring them into a facility on a weekend. We would have concocted the best possible opening statements for both sides we and recorded them so they were delivered the same way every time and we showed them the same person, same spokesperson so there was no bias by who was delivering the message. And then we would watch them deliverate through a two-way mirror, you know old-fashioned old school stuff. And it was frightening there they would come up with things that were not in the record at all and be convinced that somebody had said that or whatever. I don't know it was it's like no senior executive could have ever watched that process and then said yeah let's roll the dice and go to let's spin that barrel.

SPEAKER_02 23:25

You uh obviously having gone to law school and let's there's a part of your background that uh we haven't talked about I you you never became a software developer I take it so uh how how did you uh and and this may sort of segue into one part of the discussion that I alerted Gary to some of the business advice you might give to other founders of uh startups in the legal tech vertical how how did you manage that as a person well versed in the the legal and practical side of legal side of things how did how did you is just getting fortunate with a a co-founder who so I mean what happened for me was um so I was the founding general counsel for orbits so I came into orbits the travel website while um you know there while they were building it.

SPEAKER_01 24:14

Wow and it was a you know my primary job was defending the company against the before I even got there before way before the product was even on the market um the competitors had uh ginned up a lot of noise about orbits it was owned by five airlines so we were under investigation by the Justice Department and the Department of Transportation and all of that and that was my primary job. But at the same time I was often being uh drawn into you know questions about data privacy and and so forth. So you can't be a general counsel in a company that's primarily a technology company without becoming at least somewhat familiar with the technology. Sure. So that's the that's how that bug bit um is that it was you know Orbitz was primarily a technology company and there I was as the initially as the only lawyer in the shop until I built out a legal department. So I do I'm not you know I couldn't write a line of code well maybe I could now with AI but um before now oh you'd be surprised that quite a bit yeah I could not have written a line of code if I needed to but I so but I could I could talk the talk right I understood what was happening in the development at least at the level that I needed to as a lawyer and I was fascinated by it it's it's you know the ability to use technology tools to accomplish various tasks was great. And then that got deepened in the next step I mentioned a technology startup company. So that was um when Orbitz was first built we had a credit card fraud problem people use unus the unauthorized use of somebody else's card me using your card to buy my truck right and we had a software development firm in Chomberg Illinois build it basically then it was not AI driven it was rules engine and you had to create your own rules and create your own weightings depending upon the outcome of the of the rule uh query but we they built it for us and it looked at every transaction in real time and weighed the likelihood of it being fraud queued them up with the most most egregious likely fraud at the top and then we had human intervention to resolve the con you know resolve the problem work for orbits when orbits was sold a year later um the controller of orbits a guy named Jeff Liesenthal called me up and said you know Gary we had to build that because there wasn't such a thing in the market when we needed it. And there still isn't so we got the principals of the firm that built it the first time and the fraud department manager, the controller and the general counsel of orbits and we put together another company. So there, I mean again, I'm right up against the technology and this time I'm a big major investor, you know, no salary and writing a big check and you know all that sort of thing.

Adoption After Zoom And AI

SPEAKER_02 26:54

So I've you know I be I'm I've always I've been technology adjacent for the back half of my career I would say well that's a good thing in your back pocket to have um not not all uh even in-house let alone private practice lawyers uh can can say that any any other thoughts that you might want to impart words of uh wisdom about uh well let me interrupt myself and ask how long has uh uh ADR notable been in uh in the market yeah so it our first commercial sale was in 2021 and you know slow growth in the first years because we were coming out of COVID all the practitioners that we were trying to sell to first of all I mean as as you know you know from your background lawyers are not the first to adopt new technology.

SPEAKER_01 27:42

I would say that the the dispute resolution profession somehow lags even lawyers in their adoption of technology. So early days were slow you know and then they all had to learn how to use Zoom as we are doing now because if they were going to continue providing any services during COVID pandemic they that was the only option they were not interested in also learning more technology at the same time. So it was a very slow few first few years. And now that attitude has I think changed uh very dramatically in the last really in the last year in 2025 for BNA BN we saw an enormous change.

SPEAKER_02 28:21

Well yeah with with AI particularly but I I think somewhat with the Great Recession 2008 more so sadly for all of the collateral damage if you will there was a lift for legal tech during COVID understandably and then now with AI spoken about often carelessly but sometimes with great uh uh great uh wisdom uh when it comes to its use and in legal uh another boost to legal tech so whether it's kicking or screaming or with a big smile on their face lawyers are and I've always been a techie by hobby um ever ever since uh you know I I started practicing law soon thereafter. So for me it was easy but I I'm astounded by how much more of a welcome there is especially within the last two or three years.

Startup Advice On Market Demand

SPEAKER_01 29:10

Yeah you almost get the sense of people like in in my feet in this field they learn how to use Zoom. They find they and you know there had been a few people using online video conferencing before that were almost you know almost uh uh banned from the practice right I mean ah that was terrible and then all of a sudden they became the most popular how did you do that how do you do it how can we ask how we operate this and then I think almost the attitude of hey you know what that technology actually does work and really did help me with my practice I wonder what else is out there. I mean that that seems to be that's a good way of putting it that took hold last year. So with with you now having uh four or five years uh uh behind your back of of running ADR notable what what other uh uh advice might you give a fellow startup leader at whatever stage uh in the legal tech space I'll tell you what I you know I'm not sure if I if I knew then what I know now I may have you know may have been a little more hesitant about this startup because I can contrast the startup of the credit card fraud project right which was called a certify um is the company that was eventually sold to American Express and I think American Express last year sold it to some private equity group um that product had an obvious known clear unambiguous demand yes you could go into a company and say your credit card your online sales is experiencing five six seven percent fraud I can get that to one or less one percent or less and they can measure that ROI can measure that immediately and you can figure out a price point that makes sense and off you go this project you find yourself spending uh a fair amount of time explaining to people why they need it and that I'm just saying what it would say to any founder if you get into the marketplace and you have to spend time explaining why somebody needs something um you know think twice. Now there are examples you know nobody knew they needed an iPad and it certainly was a successful you know initiative so don't I'm not saying don't do it but I am certainly suggesting that you take a you know you you think about that a little bit more if you have to explain uh the benefits of using your product uh then it's gonna be a it's gonna be a slower product process.

SPEAKER_02 31:37

Excellent excellent advice and of course with the iPad that was a company who had hundreds of millions of dollars of marketing budget to put behind uh seeding what the iPad was all about.

SPEAKER_01 31:48

Exactly uh too often most often startups particularly Eagle Tech startups don't have that sort of in timing uh you know like in hindsight when we were doing when we were showing the prototype we built the prototype you know in a product called envision which lets you do kind of a rapid um up what appears to be operating software but it's not right and you can use it for prototyping. And we were getting this reaction oh my God that is a great product I wish it had been there when I started you know but I'm I've got my own ways now and I probably wouldn't shift. And you know as an as an optimistic um entrepreneur you only heard the first half of that right and and you didn't listen carefully enough to understand that the mindset was going to be slow to a change.

SPEAKER_02 32:39

And and that too is very good advice uh you know you have to listen to the customer a prospective customer's entire statement and and in fact pay attention more so to the the uh the the less attractive uh things that the customer or potential customer may be seeing timing i mean timing is everything oh yeah sure today there's a market there's demand you know things are great but boy there were some seriously lean years you know where i'm I was carrying salaries of my team out of my pocket for you know for a few years without a lot of pickup in the in the marketplace so you know if I'd listened I might have hesitated I might have waited a little while I might have even spent some time with you know trying to salt the mind as it were by suggesting by getting out in public and talking about the the use utility of having such a product but uh yeah a little bit of an early start very very good advice once again well Gary thank you so much for being a guest i i have to say this is uh especially the advice part one of the uh more interesting and and informative podcasts i've i've done um i uh i can't say we have to meet someday face to face we've already uh done that but i do look forward to seeing you again at TLTF uh or before uh and uh you know New York is a place where I'm only 30 minutes away so if you ever get out here do bring me up and uh and let's get together as I often say to my podcasts. Yes, but I especially want to say to you.

SPEAKER_01 34:09

Well I appreciate that. And listen in the reverse anytime you want to come someplace warm and sunny I moved to the Colorado Mountains and we haven't been suffering any of this.

SPEAKER_02 34:19

We have very good friends in Denver and and they were we spoke to them on Sunday and they were saying gee uh Charlie uh what are you doing out in that tundra land of yours yeah yeah I cleared the snow off this past week with my leaf blower because that's all I needed.

Where To Find ADR Notable

SPEAKER_01 34:34

All right the sun came out and my house faces south and everything else dried you know melted and dried up. So yeah plus you have those beautiful mountains out there.

SPEAKER_02 34:42

Gary if people want to learn more about adr notable than you uh how do they how do they find out about it?

SPEAKER_01 34:47

Sure. Well you can certainly go to our website which is simply adrnotable.com uh we're also very active in LinkedIn uh both personally and as the company you can find us under those names um and we actually have a group uh in LinkedIn about uh technology in in adr that that I'm happy to have anybody who's interested in growing uh you know their knowledge of technology and its utilization and dispute resolution you know should let us know. It's an invitation only group um and we have you know periodic discussions about topics that are relevant to that uh to that field.

SPEAKER_02 35:22

I I think that's I'm a big fan of of LinkedIn groups. There are a lot of LinkedIn groups a lot by legal tech uh market size standards that uh those groups that uh uh do focus on technology and the law and uh glad you mentioned that I'll have to take a look at that myself um let's get together again face to face soon enjoy the continued warm weather in uh in Colorado and I can't wait to see you uh soon face to face once again thank you for joining me yeah thanks again I appreciate it thank you thank you for listening to the Legal Tech Startup Focus podcast if you're interested in legal tech startups and enjoyed this podcast please consider joining the free legal tech startup focused community by going to www dot legal tech startup focus dot com and signing up. Again thanks