Episode 56: Spoons Before Hoes

This week on Current Chatter, Kota and Losa dive into the Netflix survival thriller Apex and things get WEIRD fast. From terrifying mountain climbs and crossbow chases to sharpened teeth and one deeply unsettling villain, this movie review spirals into chaos in the best way possible.

The conversation then takes a surprisingly heartfelt turn as the crew breaks down “spoon theory” and what it really means to live with chronic pain, exhaustion, and limited energy. Rin joins the episode to explain life with fibromyalgia and how even everyday tasks can drain your “spoons.”

PLUS:
 🐝 A beekeeper weaponizes bees against deputies
 🐔 A wedding DJ allegedly kills 140 chickens with bass
 💀 Jared Leto as Skeletor?!

It’s funny, uncomfortable, thoughtful, and completely unhinged — basically a normal week for Current Chatter.

As always stay hydrated, take care of your mental health, and brace yourself for the unexpected.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:04

Welcome to Current Chatter, the place where we dive into the latest news and happenings going on around the world. Join mother and son duo, Coda, and Losa as they engage in lively debates over current affairs and anything else that sparks a discussion. With diverse perspectives and a bit of fun, you never know what topics will come up next. Tune in every Friday afternoon for your weekly dose of current chatter.

SPEAKER_01 0:35

What's going on, my beautiful people? It is that time of the week again. It is time for some current chatter. As always, I'm here with Mama. Mama, how are you doing today?

SPEAKER_03 0:43

Well, I'm doing good, Dakota, besides the fact that I had surgery on my wrist on Friday. I'm recovering from that really well. So I'm following the instructions that the doctor gave me. So we're just sit gonna calmly sit and not pound our hand on anything. Oh, and I've got an ice pack on it.

SPEAKER_01 0:59

Nice. Good. I'm glad you're you're doing a-okay. Uh looks like you've got some mobility back in your fingers too.

SPEAKER_03 1:04

Yep. A lot more. And it actually feels better than it did before surgery, like the tingling and numbness.

SPEAKER_01 1:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10

So she's like, that'll fix it. And I didn't I didn't have a lot of faith in it, but it looks like it is fixing it. So that's good.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

I'm glad. No malpractices, they didn't take the wrong organ out of you?

SPEAKER_03 1:20

Nope. But I did make sure that they were working on the right hand, the correct left hand, not the right hand, but you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

Yeah. Did you leave a note saying we've tried and contact you about your carpet warranty?

SPEAKER_03 1:32

I was awake the whole time. I didn't want to.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

Oh shit. You were awake for that?

SPEAKER_03 1:36

Yeah, I was awake.

SPEAKER_01 1:37

No. So you got to watch them cut you open?

SPEAKER_03 1:39

I didn't watch. I turned and looked when she said she was all done, and it was just a bloody mess. And I was like, oh, it looks like they tried to chop my wrist off.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

No, I'm good. Thank you. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:51

They just do it in the office now. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:53

That is wild. So earlier this week, mom asked me to check out this movie called Apex, and I had no idea what I was getting myself into. It's on Netflix. I think it came out this year, right? Yeah, it just came out last week. Okay. So I went into it totally blind, not knowing anything. And within, I don't know, the first two minutes, they're in a tent on the side of a hill. Side of a mountain. Not a hill. Yeah, the mountain. It's called Troll Mountain or something in Switzerland, I want to say.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

But it's a it was um it's about a thrill-seeking woman, and it's played by uh Charlie Sterone. Yeah, yeah. And I forgot how much of a badass she is. She's a badass.

SPEAKER_03 2:36

I have to agree with you there. So this is gonna have spoilers, just so anybody knows. We we we need to make sure that we tell people that before we start delving in that 99% of our stuff will have spoilers, so just be prepared.

SPEAKER_01 2:49

Yeah. So they're climbing this mountain and she's trying to get up over this one lip and it's super hard, and she keeps falling. And I can't imagine the kind of trust I have to have in ropes and other people's ability to like tie knots. And it's it's like they're completely vertical. Like they're they're hundreds of feet in the air. It is wild. But she just kept falling, and her partner was like, okay, let's call it a night. Like, we we can't do this anymore. And then a storm comes through. That so they decide to climb down the mountain. And as they're climbing down the mountain, he gets hit by falling rock and falls. And Sasha, that's the character's name, Sasha is holding on to the rope that he's attached to, and she forgot to tie a certain knot to keep him alive. But the extra weight of her plus him on their rigging system is starting to loosen and has the ability to kill them both. So she holds on as long as possible before she's like, I can't, I can't hold on any longer, and lets him go. Yeah, because it she didn't even know if he was alive or dead at this point because of the rock hit him, he was unconscious and wasn't moving, and she he's just dead weight, and then she lets him go. And it is that that's how the movie starts.

SPEAKER_03 4:02

Have you seen that Sylvester Stallone movie? It's I think it's like called Climb or something like that. It starts the same way. I don't think I've seen that. Yeah. But the thing with Apex is it really reminded me, have you ever seen Deliverance?

SPEAKER_01 4:15

Yes. It's very deliverant, deliverance-esque. Yeah, but set in Australia.

SPEAKER_03 4:21

Yes, set in Australia.

SPEAKER_01 4:22

I didn't know Australia had such green, luscious Yeah. Australia has all sorts of different climates. It's a huge continent, you know what I mean? Like it's it's gor I can't wait to go. I can't fucking wait to go to Australia. But I was really happy to see that they went into the more foresty parts of Australia because when you a lot of people like you, they just think the red sands and the desert. Right.

SPEAKER_03 4:42

I just thought it was desert and like an island, and I didn't know that it had like forests and stuff like that. That just kind of shocked me.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

Obviously, because she just it's like the the Do we die together or do I keep on living like that? Is like I don't I don't know what I would do in that moment. I I I I I don't know if I could have letten go. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 5:03

Right? I don't know if I could have let go. I don't know. You're s your your inner person to want to stay alive would be screaming.

SPEAKER_01 5:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 5:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

It's part of the reason people can't drown themselves when they um unsubscribe from life because your fight or flight kicks in so viciously when you're drowning that you fight everything off to come back up to the surface. Your body just naturally does that.

SPEAKER_03 5:29

I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_01 5:30

It's also the same reason you can't bite off your finger, even though they say it's like biting into a carrot. You can't do it, your brain will not let you do it. It's like it's a a mortality thing or whatever. But it cuts to six months later, and she's still a s a thrill seeker, but she stays away from mountains, and now her big thing is rafting. And I've never been rafting, but it's it's a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_03 5:52

I've been whitewater rafting before. It's quite a bit of fun, but it's not something that you want to do. I personally don't want to do it alone because there's areas, you know, of every rafting trip that are that are dangerous.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

Yes, definitely. So she runs into this gas station and there's this gentleman there filling up his jerky. He sells jerky out of the convenience store. And then there's some hunters that kind of rough up uh Sasha a little bit. They're kind of just being gross, just like men, you know, trying to act nice, but they're coming off real creepy. And the dude selling jerky stands up for Sasha and is like, hey guys, I think I think she's good. Leave her be. Sasha's like, yeah, no, I didn't need your help, but thanks anyways, I guess. And she goes to pump her gas and ends up asking the jerky guy whether or not his name is Ben. She asks him whether or not he can show her where to go. And he says, Well, do you want the easy way or do you want the hard way? And of course she's she just says, I just I just want to get out of here. Well, where should I go? So he shows her on part of the map she has a good spot to start on her whitewater rafting. So she goes, she d starts in on her whitewater rafting, she finds a a spot after rafting for a little while and makes camp and hangs up some of her gear and then goes to bed for the night. And she wakes up to this awful noise, and I the noise was just like, I'm gonna try to make it an I'll I'll tone it down a little bit, but it was like a type of thing. But it was like Right more animalistic than that. And it wakes her up and she goes and sees that um her gear has all been taken. So she's like, Oh well shit, that sucks. And it's got like her phone and her bear mace and her backpack, just her backpack. Her backpack, yeah, all of her supplies. So she's like, Well, I guess I'm just gonna continue down the river and see what happens. I don't know why you wouldn't just turn back. Which the other thing, what happens when you get a turn back? Because you're floating downriver. Do you have to like walk your stuff all the way back up to your car? Like, how does that work when you're whitewater?

SPEAKER_03 7:57

Usually they get a car, they get a ride back, either back or to the starting point. Like I know at the Provo River here in Utah, they do uh rafting down the river, down the Provo River. And you park down at the bottom and they'll bust you up to the top. That way you're you'll be back when you get down to the bottom, you'll have your car with you.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

Yeah. Um, so she comes up on this camp. This other person is uh also looks like they're rafting. So she just stops in and it just so happens to be Ben. And he's like, Lucky for you, I pack enough for two people. Let me feed you and here's some water, and then you can be on your way. And there's just something off about Ben the whole time. He's kind of just questioning her all weird.

SPEAKER_03 8:42

And then he goes And it starts to and this is at the point where the show gets a little creepy.

SPEAKER_01 8:47

Yeah. And he says, You know, you handled those hunters well. Oh, I forgot to mention that the hunters came back when she first made camp before she started on her whitewater rafting. And it turns out Ben had followed her to her campsite and watched her just in case, I say in case in in quotations, if she needed something. And she's like, Okay, Ben, this is really weird. I should go. And he's like, No, wait, you don't want to forget your backpack. And then he tosses her backpack to her feet, and she's like, This is fucking creepy. And then he brings out this stereo and starts playing this god-awful techno song. And he pulls out a crossbow and he's like, I'll give you till the end of this song to run because I know you like danger and you're a thrill seeker. And she kind of just sits and stares at him, and he just starts like it reminded me of Buffalo Bill dancing, right? Uh so he does like a Buffalo Bill dance to this music, and he's like, Are you gonna go? And so she takes off and he's just dancing around.

SPEAKER_03 9:43

Well, he gives her a head start because the hunt because he's gonna hunt her with a crossbow. Now it it's turned into a brutal survival game through the harsh terrain and traps of the wilderness that is Australia.

SPEAKER_01 9:58

Australia. And he continues like hunting her I would say about half of the movie, and then he starts making those crow noises again, and he is fucking crazy. Like fucking wild. He played a really good scary guy. He did. He did. He's he's terrifying. Like it was wild. That one scene, she's like in between two mountains, like in a cove, and there's this rock that she's underneath. It's kind of like a ledge, and he's right above the ledge making like bird noises and whatnot.

SPEAKER_03 10:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:35

And then she like waits a minute and then pops her head out and um starts running again, and she like circles back around and comes back to his camp. But she's probably, I would say, a couple hundred yards away from his camp, so she's looking through binoculars, and she can kind of hear him making bird noises, and then she happens to like find him in the brush, and he's staring right fucking at her, like he knows where she's at the whole time. Like, how does how does he know?

SPEAKER_03 11:01

My thing was I I asked dad, I said, Do you think maybe he put a tracker on her? That never came out in the movie, but it was almost like he had a tracker on her. Yeah, that would make sense for the battery. She was all the time.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

Yeah. So she's able to escape him for a little bit, and she decides, I need a kayak because her she had fallen into the water at some point. She'd hit the rapids pretty hard while she was trying to run from Ben in the first place. Um, this is a horrible review. We're all over the place. So she goes to try and steal Ben's canoe, and it's his knots are pretty tight, so she can't untie the knots. So she tries to go to the dock, and right below where he has his boat tied up is a bear trap and clamps her fucking ankle. Can you imagine that? Like, and she was able to mace him. He's like, Oh, you're you're a fighter. I like you. You remind me of my mama. And he's got this weird complex with his mom, the whole movie that just like I don't know if she touched him when he was a little boy or what. He had mommy issues. He definitely had mommy issues. Severe mama issues. There's no way he would sit down and have a podcast with his mom. I don't know what she did to him.

SPEAKER_03 12:06

Yeah, she he had some mommy issues, and those come out later on in the show as well.

SPEAKER_01 12:11

Yeah. So he's able to capture her and he ties her up, strings her up, her hands are above her head in these awful handcuffs. They're the ones that are so that they don't you don't hurt yourself while you have them on. She's tied up and he's like in this little hut he's made, and it's in uh it's at night while it's raining, and he just is kind of like sticking his finger in his mouth and touching his gums, and you can only see his face and his finger, and I can't remember what he said. And then he just kind of sinks back into the shadows, and it is the most terrifying thing I can think of. Like just watching someone disappear into the shadows, but you know they're there fucking watching you. Like it's it it it gave me the willies. Yeah. It was unsettling. So he takes her, he says, uh, rituals are everything, people are nothing without their rituals. So he ties her to his boat and like basically just drags her down the river while he's in the boat nice and dry and takes her to this like abandoned cave that he has set up to live in.

SPEAKER_03 13:12

And um you find out This is where he this is where he makes his jerky, and this is where everything is.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

Spoiler alert, the jerky is not beef.

SPEAKER_03 13:21

No. Well, it's it's it's meat. It's just not it's just not cow or pig or turkey.

SPEAKER_01 13:29

It's not animal meat. No, it's not. Let's just say that. And it's uh I I I I don't have anything to compare it to. It is like that scene in the uh monster Ed Gean story where you just see Mary Hogan's body just kind of like splayed open and like bodies are hanging everywhere. It was fucking gnarly.

SPEAKER_03 13:54

It was a little bit more. It was a little bit more than I was expecting to see on a Netflix movie. Yeah. Yeah, but it was good. It was so terrifying. So then they get in this huge brawl, just an all-out Well, hold on. We forgot to talk about his teeth.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

Oh yes, he does take his teeth off. So he says in some tribes, they will file their teeth down to points, and then he takes out his his dentures, and all of his teeth are filed down to like shark teeth almost. And you kind of get the idea that his mother made him go through this, and that's why he doesn't like her, but he like still loves the fuck out of her. It's it's weird as shit. So yes, they get into this huge brawl and Oh, and they fight each other like they like it it is a it is a fight. Yeah. It she has she gets the upper hand a couple of times, and you're like, oh shit. So she ends up like getting out, but she still has these handcuffs on, and she jumps down this water tube tunnel thing, and he follows her, and he's able to grab onto the rope, and he's wearing a harness the whole time, like one of the mountain climber harnesses, and he like tethers the end of the rope that's attached to her arms to his harness, and they're flying through the white water rapids now, and they don't have anything to protect them, and he hits his head on a rock and the rope gets tangled on a log. And I just was thinking, This is it. What are you gonna do in this Yeah, this is this is it. What are you gonna do at this point? And she ends up untangling the both of them instead of just untangling herself and leaving him to fucking die, which I don't understand. So there they both pop their heads out out of water. Ben is still unconscious, and she goes and grabs this huge boulder and lifts it above her head and then like tries to go back into the water to smash his head in, but it's too deep, and she just isn't tall enough to smash his head in. So she brings him in closer and goes to um smash his head in, and he kind of wakes up, and then the fighting starts all over again. Yeah. And then she grabbed another boulder, and he's trying to uh get to a knife, I think. I think he had a knife at some point, and she smashes his leg, like just battery rams his leg with this boulder. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:07

It's just the craziest fight. And he's screaming, you broke my leg.

SPEAKER_01 16:10

You broke my You broke my fucking leg. Yeah. So now Ben's incapacitated and Sasha still uh is cuffed up, and she's like, We have to get to the top of this ridge, or we're not gonna make it. You're gonna die from an infection because of your leg. And he's like, Well, you can't climb that up that mountain without me. It's a tandem climb. And she's like, Yeah, you're right. So we have to trust each other and you have to let me go. And she's she says, I can rig up something that will help you come up the mountain without using your leg, your broken leg, you just use your good leg. So they start to climb. And he's given her his harness, because that's the only way she can climb it properly, is with the harness that she has on. And he bolts it in. He uses a long threaded bolt, and on the other end is a nut, and he threads it up so that's not gonna come off or that she can't so like easily unclip him. So the whole time they're climbing up the mountain, she's gonna be.

SPEAKER_03 17:00

Well, now they're tied together, they're tied to each other. So their survival now depends on each other, which is a really just juxtaposition to the whole show. You know, like they have to rely on each other eventually.

SPEAKER_01 17:13

Yeah, and he's like, if you get me up here, I'll let you go. And she's like, Okay, whatever. But the whole time they're climbing, she's secretly untwisting this bolt. And he catches her a couple of times and just yanks on her tether and makes her fall. But they're still tethered together, so she's not falling to her death or anything. It's just like a quick like pull, and you're kind of mid-falling in the air, and then you're you're caught by your t you're tethering. And she's like, Ben, I'm not trying to do anything, we're good to go. And they get to this little ledge, and she ties a knot on like a branch or a root that's sticking out, and you can see the branch kind of start to give, and she notices it, and she's like, Okay, this is my chance. So she quickly, with all her might undoes that net nut and bolt, and you should hear Ben start screaming, You're Sasha! We are supposed to do this together. I love so he has a very thick Australian accent, kind of mixed in with a British accent, and the way he says Sasha, just like I can't I can't give it justice. It was just like it gives you the willies because he's I just don't understand. Yeah, it was his accent was weird, and the way he was saying her name just made me really uncomfortable. So as he's trying to yank her as she's trying to take this nut bolt off of the harness, and she ends up like loosening it enough to where the harness just kind of slips off of her. And you watch the harness fall, and he's like, Well, what now am I gonna do? And she's like, I don't know, and then just starts kicking the root that he's tied to. That's that's his lifeline, and he falls to his death. He's just done. Finally, he's dead.

SPEAKER_03 18:49

And you're like, Are you sure he's dead? Are you sure?

SPEAKER_01 18:51

Yeah, yeah. It was it was like one of those Michael Meyer moments where you're like, Do I need to drop a boulder on his head from up here? Like, what are we gonna do? But now she has no safety gear. She has no halfway up a cliff face, no shoes on, and she's crawling up this mountain, and it gets to kind of a ledge that reminds you of the very beginning of the movie. Very beginning. And you're like, this bitch is done for because she has nothing. Like she's balls to the wall, like the the and she's able to make it, and you're just like, oh my god. Holy crap. Yeah. Yeah, that's basically a a quick synopsis of the movie. I loved it. I went on a Charis Therone movie binge last night after I watched the Apex. I watched both of the old guard movies. It's good. They have the gal from Kill Bill in it.

SPEAKER_03 19:43

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 19:44

The the blonde girl, Uma Uma Thurman.

SPEAKER_03 19:46

Uma Thurman.

SPEAKER_01 19:48

And they did not take the opportunity to give her a samurai sword. You're gonna be a good one. They gave her No! They gave her like one of those other old you remember the the um when I was in karate, we did that one training with the the sword that I was super excited about. It's kind of like oblong shaped. Okay, yeah. Yeah, so that's the sword she fought with, and I just thought, why why wouldn't you give her a katana? Like, why out of all the things, you could have just paid Omen to kill Bill and give her a katana. But they that's besides the point. She's a good actress. She is way good. I'm I want to do the Huntsman next, where she's the bad guy, she's the the evil witch. She's she plays a good evil witch. I've seen the huntsman and it's really, really good. We actually went and seen that in theaters when it came out. Really? You and I did. We did? Yeah, we did. Good lord. But I I would suggest anyone go watch Apex. I went into it not knowing at all what I was getting into. I didn't even I didn't watch the trailer. I didn't read like the synopsis of it or like the what it is on Netflix. I just pressed play because mom suggested it.

SPEAKER_03 20:50

Let's do let's do a one to ten, ten being the best movie you've ever seen. What would you rate this? I would probably say a six point five, seven. See, that's what I was thinking too. It wasn't like the best. It was it was very, like I said, it was very whatchamacall that movie that I said earlier. Deliverance. In that it like deliverance has a guy with a crossbow and then they're like going down the river before the river becomes a lake. There is no uh sexual assault scene, so it's not a white light deliverance. Which, thank the Lord. Because if they'd have put that in there, that would have just pushed me over the edge, I think.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

Yeah, there are there are just some things that you don't need to have in there. But yeah, it was it was really good. And I thought the acting was very strong. It did leave me on my on the edge of my seat a little bit a couple of times for sure. It was it was a solid movie, a solid movie for sure.

SPEAKER_03 21:37

Yeah. So I have a new uh segment for us to go through today. And it's called What Does That Even Mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean exactly? So today I want to just dive into what does it even mean when somebody says, I don't have the spoons for that.

SPEAKER_01 21:54

So you're talking the spoon theory.

SPEAKER_03 21:56

Yes. So I did some research. What does that actually mean? When someone says that to you. Are you ready? Mm-hmm. So it says spoons represent your total daily energy, your mental, emotional, and physical output. You start your day with a limited amount and everything you do to use them up. Once they're gone, they're done for the day. No energy left. No more spoons left. The concept came from a girl named Christine Maserinato who used spoons to explain chronic illness. It showed how quickly energy disappears when your body is under certain stresses.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

I I got Rin to come come talk about it. As someone with chronic pain, can you give your example of what spoons are and what that's like?

SPEAKER_03 22:42

Hello, Rin. How are you today? Hi, good. How are you? Good. So we were just talking about spoons and how they relate to chronic illness. And when p when someone says, I don't have the spoons for that, what do they actually mean?

SPEAKER_00 22:57

So really everyone has spoons, and what they mean by that is is simply energy. But when you have something that limits the amount of energy or capacity you have, then you have a finite resource. So if you, you know, start your day with twenty spoons, maybe by default, and each task that you do requires a certain amount of spoons. So every meal is two spoons. Brushing your teeth is a spoon. Work is probably like five spoons and so or more. And so you only have so many things that you can do. And maybe if you use tomorrow's spoons, right, you want to use thirty spoons, then tomorrow you're left with just ten. And then that means yeah, you only have even like less to be able to work with.

SPEAKER_03 23:56

Takoda explained it to me in a way that kind of made sense in that. So you have to keep spoons for yourself.

SPEAKER_00 24:07

I mean, yes, you you only have so much, and so if you end up using too much, then then you're not able to get the rest of the things that you need done. And so then you need assistance with some of those things, and and it can get as serious as not being able to feed yourself. But spoons I think it can be used in so many different ways. Like I know that there are people who are neurodivergent who have mental spoons, and it's you only have so much capacity for each encounter, and maybe this encounter requires more spoons, and so uh it's you when you get to the end of your rope, yeah, you're you're pretty unable to do the things that you need to do. And so it's really just like being conscious of your energy and not giving too much of yourself, uh, because then you won't be able to do the the basic things that you're supposed to do as a human taking care of your own.

SPEAKER_03 25:06

I went to a retreat a couple weeks ago and they said that and I told them the theory behind the spoons, and they were like, you know, you need to keep 70, I mean 30% of your spoons for yourself, just for just for your own mental health. That means you give 70% for everything else you do during the day, but then 30% you have for yourself to just take care of yourself, and that helps with your mental health awareness, is what I got from that.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

Is that does that sound I mean I think that it's there's there's many reasons to keep things and energy for yourself. But most often when I hear the spoon theory, it is just about people's own ability to take care of themselves. And I'm sure that there's so much more that goes into that as people who are, you know, parents or have different demands on them. But the the first person I I heard the spoon theory from is my friend who has been chronically disabled since uh she was a baby and has to take, I mean, at this point, like 10 different injections a day. Ugh. And has degenerative diseases and slowly losing her vision and just many very hard um things. And so she's like a a disabled adult. All of any of her energy is simply just to take care of herself, and that's with AIDS and and friends and so much support.

SPEAKER_03 26:35

Um and that's what like one of my things is it's that people just need to understand that every day you have the same amount of spoons that you had like the day before, unless you went into the negative yet the day before. So let's say you're really on top of it all, and then when you're at a spoons, you're out. It's like I'm done. I don't have to do anything else. And that sounds a little selfish, but it's also true in keeping up to your personal strength.

SPEAKER_00 27:03

And I think that's why it is important maybe on your retreat where they said things about keeping a reserve, and maybe you know, like you know, 30% is for me and give everything else to other people, because really uh you might need more than that to get through your day. But uh keeping a reserve for yourself in case of emergency is very important, you know, being able to do the very basic things that you do need to do, like pee before you go to bed or something. But um, I think support systems are really important for helping, you know, in the gaps and the times that I can't, um, when my arms make me want to cry because they just hurt so much and it's like I can't move a knife. Um, so somebody please cook something.

SPEAKER_01 27:56

Can you explain to us, Rin, what chronic illness you have, so the people that also have this chronic illness may have a little more of an understanding of what spoons are, um, and possibly how many spoons have you already used today?

SPEAKER_00 28:12

Well, I have fibromyalgia, and for me that just involves um being in pain every day of my life for about 10 years now. And with that comes perpetual exhaustion, uh, because every day is exhausting. Um, it's it's exhaustive of my body, and so I wake up tired and feel like a 50% charged battery to begin with. And so, right, like the thing is is that maybe most people have like a hundred spoons, and so if they get a good night's sleep, then there's there's you know, you there's most people's issue who do not have limited spoons is time rather than capacity or energy, right? Like people who have all of the energy, it's like how much can I get done in twenty-four hours versus people who um who don't have that many spoons and can't get that stuff done. You start with a limited um amount. And so yes, yeah, every day is like maybe twenty thirty, and so everyone else has a hundred, and so the amount that you can do with a hundred, you can't even get as many things done in twenty-four hours as the amount of energy that a normal person has, you know, we could say. And and yeah, so I start with with less. And the the thing is, is, you know, if I want to go do any kind of event, uh concert accounting, um hanging out with friends, shopping, going to an expo, really any fun thing that I want to do. I I have to at least account for a s another day off. Like every single time I want to do something that is exhaustive of my energy, I need to at minimum be able to sleep in the next day to try to recuperate some of the spoons. And and that's the yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:13

So like that was how I felt when I was ha when I was fighting cancer. I would just wake up exhausted.

SPEAKER_00 30:19

Yeah. And so you have to like plan ahead in those cases, being preemptive and being able to say, okay, well, I know I'm not going to be able to have the energy the next day. And it's because I know that I'm going to be taking from the next day spoons. So maybe I can't wake up as early or not get as much sleep or have to do X amount of work. Maybe now I can only do four hours of work or no work, depending on you know how like long I'm up or how much that takes on my body. It's it's a finite resource, and that means it's it's important and you have to be mindful of what you do use your energy for. Exactly. Yeah. And I mean, I think that having like a support system that understands what I can do and can't do makes that very helpful. I can't imagine what it would be like if I didn't have people around me that at least were supportive. You know, maybe they don't understand in the way the other people in the spoon community do there to support me in the ways that I can't for myself. But it is, yeah, very important because you'll just end up using the next days and the next days and the next days, and then it becomes so you're s doing in such a deficit all the time that you never get caught up.

SPEAKER_03 31:34

It's not sustainable.

SPEAKER_00 31:36

It's not. It's it's not sustainable. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:39

Thank you, Rin. Yeah. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 31:41

Did that kind of answer the questions you had about the spoon theory? You think you have a better understanding of it?

SPEAKER_03 31:45

I do. I still think that it's a very unique and interesting concept.

SPEAKER_01 31:52

Concept. Yeah. I think it's it's definitely from the 21st century. It's not like an old theory or anything like that. But when you break it down into a way with someone who's cr has chronic pain like Rin does, it it kind of gives you a better understanding. Because I I don't have chronic pain. I will hopefully knock on wood, never ever know what that's like to be constantly in pain the moment I wake up, you know?

SPEAKER_03 32:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:17

So when they explained the spoon theory to me, it really clicked for me on the things that they have to do just to be able to go grocery shopping or brush their teeth in the morning. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 32:27

And I told and I said that to Rin that that's how I felt the whole time I was fighting cancer for two years. Like the year I fought cancer and then the year following it, I felt like. And even before that, I was felt like I was just drained all the time. But and it was because of the cancer running through my body.

SPEAKER_01 32:46

Yeah. So the spoon theory, it's it's I enjoy it a lot. I I like to talk about it. I like to educate people on it because it gave me a different point of view as someone who has never had chronic pain in that kind of aspect.

SPEAKER_03 32:59

And I think that for somebody like Ren and like myself and like you, who understand the full theory of I don't have the spoons for that. I think that, but some people use it as an excuse, like, oh, I just, you know, like anything else.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

Oh, yeah, absolutely. People like it people use the excuse for everything. You know what I mean? Um, but I I think those kind of people I don't need to be around.

unknown 33:23

Right.

SPEAKER_01 33:23

Take my ex for example. I'm not around her because she used is as an excuse a lot. And I granted she probably was in pain, but it was like she could never sweep the floor. And uh sweeping the floor to me seems like such an easy job. It was probably hard for her, but you still have to fucking adult at some point, you know what I mean? Just yeah, I'm not I'm trying not to sound like an asshole. I'm trying to be understanding. Um, I don't have to deal with this fucking person anymore. I'm not angry at her at all. I swear. I can tell. I've come to peace with it. I like that segment. I can't wait to see what the next one is.

SPEAKER_03 33:58

Yeah. What does that even mean? You get a pick next, you get a pick next time. What does that even mean? What do the spoons mean? I think that it's really important for us to delve into some of these areas that are different because generationally you understand spoons, but that wasn't something that my generation dealt with. It was like you just kept on going regardless, regardless of your mental health, regardless of your of your physical health, any of that. You just kept pushing through.

SPEAKER_01 34:26

I like that we're talking about it because we are able to bridge that gap in our generation, just so that we're understanding each other a little bit better. Does that make sense? Because I I don't hold it against rent anymore when they're like, I just don't have the fucking spoons to do that. I I just can't. For a long time I was like, what do you mean you can't do this? It's a simple, it's a simple task. Uh they just they just can't. And I have to respect that. And it it gives those kind of people autonomy over their own bodies that they don't necessarily get to have a lot of the time. Yeah. Correct. Correct. It's it's a it's a way to give them autonomy, which is very important to a lot of people.

SPEAKER_03 35:01

So in India, and what happened was uh wedding DJ played music in a property that was adjacent to a chicken farm, and because of the loud music that was produced, it killed 114 chickens. 140, excuse me. Chickens that he musicked them to death. Like the decibels? Yeah. Are the people okay? The people were okay, but 140 chickens were not. Can you imagine like it being such a hardcore, like low-based?

SPEAKER_01 35:37

You said this as a wedding, right?

SPEAKER_03 35:39

Yeah. But it was in India, and they have big, huge weddings in India.

SPEAKER_01 35:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:43

They have those like three or four day-long parties. This was a DJ at one of the weddings, and he killed 140 chickens in the neighbor's yard.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

I kind of want to get that playlist just to see, but I I don't want to kill animals.

SPEAKER_03 35:57

Have you ever heard of the brown note?

SPEAKER_01 35:59

Yeah. I know it from South Park, mom. Like that is a real park's third or fourth episode. Isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 36:08

Is it though? Is it? I don't know. Isn't it maybe that's what you should do? That is this real or not?

SPEAKER_01 36:13

I'm gonna find it and shit my pants on air.

SPEAKER_03 36:16

Oh no, please don't do that. That would be bad.

SPEAKER_01 36:21

So I have a story that I wanted to share with you. Okay. So this beekeeper in Massachusetts, she went and released bees at a friend's apartment to keep the sheriff's deputies away from trying to evict her elderly friend with cancer. So she released a bunch of bees into the into the apartment complex to try and stir away the uh sheriff's deputies from evicting a man with cancer.

SPEAKER_03 36:45

Well, the thought process and the idea behind that is very noble.

SPEAKER_01 36:50

Yeah. Vigilante justice, if you will.

SPEAKER_03 36:52

Right. But that doesn't make it right.

SPEAKER_01 36:54

No. And I my problem with it is using bees. Bees are already in danger. They're already having a hard enough time. We need bees. If anybody doesn't believe that, I hope you don't like coffee, because without bees, we don't have coffee. So suck a fuck. If you like if you're upset about the bees, suck a duck. Not that. Suck a duck. You don't know that reference? That's from Donnie Darko. Tell me, Melody, how does one suck a fuck?

SPEAKER_03 37:23

I've seen Johnny Darko, but I don't remember that scene in it.

SPEAKER_01 37:27

Yeah, it's his sister. His sister says, Oh, go suck a fuck, and then he's like, Oh, tell me, how does one do that?

SPEAKER_03 37:32

Oh, because I've only ever heard suck a duck.

SPEAKER_01 37:34

Duck with a D. That's a duck with a D. Duck isn't dog. If you can dodge a wrench, you huh? Huh? Huh? Yeah. Um So the the beekeeper has been sentenced to six months in jail after she sent swarms of her insects on sheriff's deputies attempting to carry out an six months to carry out an eviction on a friend's house. Uh Rebecca Woods. I don't know yet.

SPEAKER_03 37:59

She the person got evicted anyway, it sounds like.

SPEAKER_01 38:02

I don't I I have I haven't finished reading the story yet. Rebecca Woods insisted she only released her truckloaded of hives to allow bees to enjoy the lovely flowering landscape near the home of an elderly friend and cancer patient. But a district court in Springfield, Massachusetts heard that Woods, 59, admitted under questioning that she was trying to save him from eviction by freeing the bees in the presence of the deputies who had shown up to serve papers. Several officers were stung on their hands face, and one required hospital trees treatment, according to the New York Times, which is the tree hugger aspect of me is upset because those bees only get one chance to sting and then they die.

SPEAKER_03 38:43

So however many stung a real live bee lover of if she was releasing them to die. But you have to admit, as a show of I don't know what the word is, as a show of solidarity towards her friend who has cancer. It was it was nice thought out. Horrible execution. You shouldn't have executed that at all. So the friend still did get um evicted. See? You gotta think about, you gotta think about is this really is this really gonna be what is the is the outcome really what you want?

SPEAKER_01 39:13

This this is one of those times where she acted before she thought. She had a thought, act did the action, and she did not fully think through the actions that she was doing. Right. It was a a a moment of passion, I guess you could say. But yeah. So don't release bees. Keep them safe. I need them. I like my coffee. I like my beer. They help they help um hops grow. They help yeah. How you doing? Very important.

SPEAKER_03 39:39

Can I bring this up on the podcast? How you doing? What do you mean? With uh semi-glutide. You can cut it out if you want to.

SPEAKER_01 39:45

Oh, I'm I'm doing great. I started at 258 and last week when I weighed myself. I'll weigh myself tomorrow. I was at uh two twenty-six.

SPEAKER_03 39:56

Good job. So that's awesome. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:59

That's how much weight?

SPEAKER_03 40:00

30 pounds?

SPEAKER_01 40:01

30-ish pounds, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:02

That's that's incredible, Coda.

SPEAKER_01 40:04

Mm-hmm. Yeah, no my clothes fit.

SPEAKER_03 40:06

I've lost just shy of 80 pounds.

SPEAKER_01 40:09

Nice. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 40:10

So I can't decide if I go to a hundred or if I stop now because I'm afraid that if I go to a hundred, I'll look like skeletons, like a skeleton.

SPEAKER_01 40:19

Oh I mean, if you get to a hundred and you don't like the way you look, just eat a little bit more in moderation. Right.

SPEAKER_03 40:26

Yeah. That's a movie we're gonna have to see like in theaters this this summer. He-Man. Like you go see it in theaters, and then I'll take your dad to see it in theaters, and then we'll do a review on it.

SPEAKER_01 40:38

Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Is he so excited?

SPEAKER_03 40:41

You know your dad, he doesn't get excited like other people get excited.

SPEAKER_01 40:46

When I sent him that video, I was so excited for him because uh wasn't that his shit as a kid? Wasn't he a He-Man freak?

SPEAKER_03 40:51

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 40:52

Like, doesn't grandma have a picture of him in his tidy whiteys with the He-Man sword somewhere?

SPEAKER_03 40:56

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 40:57

Maybe I think I've seen a picture like that of him somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 41:00

Usually it was fishing or hunting that got him when he was little, but yeah, he-Man was a close second or third in there.

SPEAKER_01 41:07

Uh-huh. Yeah. So I I was excited when they when they showed it off. And they got uh Jared Leto playing Skeletor.

SPEAKER_03 41:14

Oh, really? He's such a he's such a good actor.

SPEAKER_01 41:18

He is, and he's so methodical. And it just like when he was playing the Joker during the Suicide Squad movies, he made a lot of people uncomfortable because he just stays in character. Like he he just that it when he is filming a movie, that it that is who he is. He is in that character 24-7. So I can't wait to see how he did Skeletor. Because like I I think a skeletor now is like the the funny memes and and whatnot, and and not the the the crazy villain he was in the the He-Man series. So I I am excited about it, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:48

Yeah. Well, we'll have to that's one we'll have to go out and see, and we'll have to get a bunch of our chatter heads in there seeing what they think about it and stuff. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:57

Before we close out, mom has come up with this fantastic idea. We're gonna try to put out a couple more episodes uh in the month. There will be two extra episodes. There'll be solo episodes. I don't know what we're gonna call them yet. Curbside chatter. I don't we haven't decided yet. But it'll just be one of us going over a topic. Uh mom has her topic that she wants to talk about. She's working on it very hard. Um, so look out to that in the future of just more chatter coming your way, guys. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:26

So that's one thing that we've been asked is on the things is more.

SPEAKER_01 42:31

All right, Mama. Take us away.

SPEAKER_03 42:34

Well, it was a great day today. Thank you for tuning in. Don't forget to like, subscribe, and all of the stuff. Check us out at current chatterpodcast.com. And remember that if you have something that you want us to cover, a movie, a book, anything like that, let us know in the comment section. And maybe we will pick your idea. And if we do pick your idea, we will shout out you, shout you out on the podcast. So don't forget to drink your water and talk to your therapists and have a good week. Weekend, I guess. It's Mother's Day weekend. Don't forget to call your mother. Don't look at me like that. I'll call you. So have a wonderful weekend, everybody, and chat next week. Bye-bye.

SPEAKER_02 43:23

That's a little odd, Dakota.

SPEAKER_03 43:30

You need to talk to you to talk to your therapist about this. It doesn't seem healthy at all.